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Religion and Ethics Discussion => Christian Topic => Topic started by: Sassy on June 21, 2015, 02:38:45 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOX3YQMIkU8
You really should catch this movie it is on Sky and really does bring mind the reality of Christ and heaven.
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Anyone stating heaven is for real as a FACT is a LIAR, there is NO evidence to support its existence.
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Anyone stating heaven is for real as a FACT is a LIAR, there is NO evidence to support its existence.
No, to be a liar one has to know that one is telling a lie.
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Anyone stating heaven is for real as a FACT is a LIAR, there is NO evidence to support its existence.
I would disagree, floo. Parly for the reason that NS gives in his post that follows your; partly because I believe that the Kingdom of Heaven is here and now, as well as 'in the future'. I think that there is plenty of evidence for this and that folk who dispute this are often blind to the realities of life.
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Anyone stating heaven is for real as a FACT is a LIAR, there is NO evidence to support its existence.
No, to be a liar one has to know that one is telling a lie.
Quite so.
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Anyone stating heaven is for real as a FACT is a LIAR, there is NO evidence to support its existence.
I would disagree, floo. Parly for the reason that NS gives in his post that follows your; partly because I believe that the Kingdom of Heaven is here and now, as well as 'in the future'. I think that there is plenty of evidence for this and that folk who dispute this are often blind to the realities of life.
What is the Kingdom of Heaven ?
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Anyone stating heaven is for real as a FACT is a LIAR, there is NO evidence to support its existence.
I would disagree, floo. Parly for the reason that NS gives in his post that follows your; partly because I believe that the Kingdom of Heaven is here and now, as well as 'in the future'. I think that there is plenty of evidence for this and that folk who dispute this are often blind to the realities of life.
WHAT EVIDENCE? ::)
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Anyone stating heaven is for real as a FACT is a LIAR, there is NO evidence to support its existence.
I would disagree, floo. Parly for the reason that NS gives in his post that follows your; partly because I believe that the Kingdom of Heaven is here and now, as well as 'in the future'. I think that there is plenty of evidence for this and that folk who dispute this are often blind to the realities of life.
WHAT EVIDENCE? ::)
The next thing you'll get from Hope Floo, is: show him evidence that he hasn't got any evidence.
ippy
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOX3YQMIkU8
You really should catch this movie it is on Sky and really does bring mind the reality of Christ and heaven.
Sass you still haven't come up with any credible evidence that might support any of your claims.
You must have worked it out by now, since you're not as dense as Sparky, so you should know it's no good trying to use the bible to prove the bible is right.
Where is there any credible evidence that would support the superstitious mythical and magical parts of your manual?
To this date just like Hope you haven't presented one piece of credible evidence that could possibly support the numerous strange parts of your manual, (strange parts like: like someone coming back from the dead, it doesn't happen).
ippy
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No, heaven is not for real, Sass. Like all the other god stories man has invented over the ages, it is just wishful thinking.
My claim is just as impossible to prove as yours is, of course, but given man's weakness for inventing pretty stories to deny the finality of death, it is more than probable that I am right.
But if living in denial floats your boat, and doesn't frighten the horses, why not?
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What is the Kingdom of Heaven ?
The 'Kingdom of Heaven' is synonymous with the phrase the 'Kingdom of God', which refers to the fact that God had become dynamically involved in the lives and therefore the world of humanity. It doesn't mean that everyone acknowledges the role of God within their lives, but that the right to do so is open to all.
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The next thing you'll get from Hope Floo, is: show him evidence that he hasn't got any evidence.
Since you have yet to provide us with any evidence for many of your assertions, ippy, perhaps you need to take this as your own motto.
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The next thing you'll get from Hope Floo, is: show him evidence that he hasn't got any evidence.
Since you have yet to provide us with any evidence for many of your assertions, ippy, perhaps you need to take this as your own motto.
The excuse made by those who don't have the evidence they claim! ::)
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The next thing you'll get from Hope Floo, is: show him evidence that he hasn't got any evidence.
Since you have yet to provide us with any evidence for many of your assertions, ippy, perhaps you need to take this as your own motto.
You, I assume, see yourself as a reasonably intelligent person, let's assume that's true.
I'm not asking you to believe anything in particular.
You are and have been in the course of your writings here on this R & E Forum been promoting that you think there is is something in existence that you call god, you have never supplied anything that would confirm that there is any such thing, nor to the best of my knowledge has anyone else in the whole of the world done so either
In spite of this fact that no one in the whole of the world has supplied any kind of evidence that any of these gods actually exist and you then ask me to prove this god idea is a nonsense, why?
It's a pretty firm evidence based assertion that you are unable to prove this god of yours exists nor are you ever likely to do so.
The evidence is that you can't and are never likely to come up with any viable evidence.
Your promoting something without any supporting evidence; I'm not.
ippy
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What is the Kingdom of Heaven ?
The 'Kingdom of Heaven' is synonymous with the phrase the 'Kingdom of God', which refers to the fact that God had become dynamically involved in the lives and therefore the world of humanity. It doesn't mean that everyone acknowledges the role of God within their lives, but that the right to do so is open to all.
OK, fair enough. As you would expect though, I disagree.
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The look on the faces of the 'born again' lot would be well worth seeing if they discovered on their arrival in heaven all the nasty heathen were there too. ;D ;D ;D
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The next thing you'll get from Hope Floo, is: show him evidence that he hasn't got any evidence.
Since you have yet to provide us with any evidence for many of your assertions, ippy, perhaps you need to take this as your own motto.
You, I assume, see yourself as a reasonably intelligent person, let's assume that's true.
I'm not asking you to believe anything in particular.
You are and have been in the course of your writings here on this R & E Forum been promoting that you think there is is something in existence that you call god, you have never supplied anything that would confirm that there is any such thing, nor to the best of my knowledge has anyone else in the whole of the world done so either
In spite of this fact that no one in the whole of the world has supplied any kind of evidence that any of these gods actually exist and you then ask me to prove this god idea is a nonsense, why?
It's a pretty firm evidence based assertion that you are unable to prove this god of yours exists nor are you ever likely to do so.
The evidence is that you can't and are never likely to come up with any viable evidence.
Your promoting something without any supporting evidence; I'm not.
ippy
No, you're just an obsessive nuisance, apparently with nothing else on your mind but to deride people on a forum: sad man!
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No, heaven is not for real, Sass. Like all the other god stories man has invented over the ages, it is just wishful thinking.
My claim is just as impossible to prove as yours is, of course, but given man's weakness for inventing pretty stories to deny the finality of death, it is more than probable that I am right.
But if living in denial floats your boat, and doesn't frighten the horses, why not?
If you actually believe that, and are not being your usual sanctimonious self, then why don't you leave her, and everyone else here, alone, and just buzz off?
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Heaven would not be "heaven" to me, if everyone I care about (regardless of whether they have a religion or not), were not there.
No amount of funny excuses is going to change that!
Even if heaven exists and everyone you care about is there, what if they aren't the same people they are in life?
I have no wish to meet up with anyone after death, even the people of whom I am fond. I fervently hope death is the end!
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If you actually believe that, and are not being your usual sanctimonious self, then why don't you leave her, and everyone else here, alone, and just buzz off?
Simply because, Anthony, you make it quite clear that I am a thorn in your side ,,, that alone is a good reason to keep me plugging away at the truth. :)
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If you actually believe that, and are not being your usual sanctimonious self, then why don't you leave her, and everyone else here, alone, and just buzz off?
Simply because, Anthony, you make it quite clear that I am a thorn in your side ,,, that alone is a good reason to keep me plugging away.
Not at all. You are back-peddling. I thoroughly enjoy posting to you, and your replies are amusing.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOX3YQMIkU8
You really should catch this movie it is on Sky and really does bring mind the reality of Christ and heaven.
Sass you still haven't come up with any credible evidence that might support any of your claims.
You must have worked it out by now, since you're not as dense as Sparky, so you should know it's no good trying to use the bible to prove the bible is right.
Where is there any credible evidence that would support the superstitious mythical and magical parts of your manual?
To this date just like Hope you haven't presented one piece of credible evidence that could possibly support the numerous strange parts of your manual, (strange parts like: like someone coming back from the dead, it doesn't happen).
ippy
One word sums up your post....IGNORANT...
Click on the link you might actually learn to learn something by looking at that which I am referring to...
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No, heaven is not for real, Sass. Like all the other god stories man has invented over the ages, it is just wishful thinking.
My claim is just as impossible to prove as yours is, of course, but given man's weakness for inventing pretty stories to deny the finality of death, it is more than probable that I am right.
But if living in denial floats your boat, and doesn't frighten the horses, why not?
The truth is you cannot see or know the things I do.
Whatever denial floats your boat and horses and for courses...
As an atheist how could you possibly know the things of God?
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The next thing you'll get from Hope Floo, is: show him evidence that he hasn't got any evidence.
Since you have yet to provide us with any evidence for many of your assertions, ippy, perhaps you need to take this as your own motto.
The excuse made by those who don't have the evidence they claim! ::)
Where is your evidence that God and heaven DO NOT exist?
You don't have the evidence you claim...
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The next thing you'll get from Hope Floo, is: show him evidence that he hasn't got any evidence.
Since you have yet to provide us with any evidence for many of your assertions, ippy, perhaps you need to take this as your own motto.
The excuse made by those who don't have the evidence they claim! ::)
Where is your evidence that God and heaven DO NOT exist?
You don't have the evidence you claim...
Negative proof fallacy.
The duty to justify claims lies with people making positive assertions.
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Anyone stating heaven is for real as a FACT is a LIAR, there is NO evidence to support its existence.
No, to be a liar one has to know that one is telling a lie.
In which case the only person in this case NOT lying is< possibly, the boy, Colton.
Everyone else involved has no first-hand experience of the existence of heaven and even he cannot PROVE that heaven is where he went.
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Anyone stating heaven is for real as a FACT is a LIAR, there is NO evidence to support its existence.
No, to be a liar one has to know that one is telling a lie.
In which case the only person in this case NOT lying is< possibly, the boy, Colton.
Everyone else involved has no first-hand experience of the existence of heaven and even he cannot PROVE that heaven is where he went.
Nope, if they honestly believe he went then they are not lying. They may be foolish, they may be basing their conclusion on insufficient evidence but they would not be lying.
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The next thing you'll get from Hope Floo, is: show him evidence that he hasn't got any evidence.
Since you have yet to provide us with any evidence for many of your assertions, ippy, perhaps you need to take this as your own motto.
The excuse made by those who don't have the evidence they claim! ::)
Where is your evidence that God and heaven DO NOT exist?
You don't have the evidence you claim...
If someone states as a fact that God and Heaven do not exist then they do, of course, need to support that with evidence, just as those who claim God and Heaven exist need to do. Most atheists don't state there definitely is no God but say that they have no belief in God and see no evidence for one. This position requires no evidence in itself. A believer can just as well say they have faith and leave it at that and then no evidence is required but soon as claims are made of evidence for something or that something is a fact then that is different.
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The thing about the film that makes me reject its content is that, in essense, it is nothing more than a very elaborate advertisement for books and artworks and, like all such adverts, is spun in such a way as to extort money from the faikthful regardless of the use to which said money is put.
There is no information given as to what percentage of the income actually goes to the charity/charities from a "fine art print" that costs $100.00 and an oil that costs $150.00 and experience of other such salers for charity, especially in the U S, would suggest that the proceeds to the charity/charities is probably minimal.
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The next thing you'll get from Hope Floo, is: show him evidence that he hasn't got any evidence.
Since you have yet to provide us with any evidence for many of your assertions, ippy, perhaps you need to take this as your own motto.
The excuse made by those who don't have the evidence they claim! ::)
Where is your evidence that God and heaven DO NOT exist?
You don't have the evidence you claim...
I could see the point of your post if I had said that I have evidence that the thing you call god doesn't exist, since I haven't, what are you on about?
How come there has never, never been at any time been something like a big media event, with press headlines like,"Absolute Proof that God Exists"; why, because there isn't any credible evidence.
Looks like you will have to wait, probably for a long, long time Sassy.
If there were any evidence Sass the massive world media would hardly let it go by without a mention, ding, ding any sign of this getting through?
Just another repeat for what good it'll do in your case; you're the one promoting this god idea so it's for you to find a way of backing up your own idea, you'll have a hard job.
Don't worry about it too much you've got some good company on here, one of your lot even thinks he has the evidence and has posted it, nobody has seen it, you're not quite as bad as that, but not that far short either.
ippy