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General Category => Sports, Hobbies & Interests => Topic started by: jeremyp on July 11, 2015, 06:02:16 PM
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Huge relief now that England can't be whitewashed. However, I think it'll get harder unless all the pitches are sabotaged to draw the teeth of the Aussie fast bowlers.
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Sabotaged? Piffle. Sport of gentlemen and all that, as if England would stoop so low.
<crosses fingers>
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Huge relief now that England can't be whitewashed. However, I think it'll get harder unless all the pitches are sabotaged to draw the teeth of the Aussie fast bowlers.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander. The Aussies prepared pitches to suit their fast bowlers in the last series; now it's our turn. That's how it works, both in Test and first-class cricket.
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That's correct, every test team in the world prepares pitches to suit their players. But I think Lords will be faster, so we shall see. Incidentally, Broad was in the zone, for some reason, bowling full and with a killer slower ball, which the Oz could not fathom.
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Graham Swann was suggesting (Day 2, iirc) that all wickets are slower than usual this year. Not quite sure why.
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It's beginning to look pretty bleak for Australia. (ah!!) There are now suggestions that both Haddin and Watson could lose their places; some doubt about Starc's fitness; and Johnson looking comparatively ordinary. They've lost Harris, and Rogers is in his last series. Are they a busted flush? After all, every dog has his day: have they had theirs?
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It's beginning to look pretty bleak for Australia. (ah!!) There are now suggestions that both Haddin and Watson could lose their places; some doubt about Starc's fitness; and Johnson looking comparatively ordinary. They've lost Harris, and Rogers is in his last series. Are they a busted flush? After all, every dog has his day: have they had theirs?
They may have reached their dy for this particular generation, but Australia seem to have a better youth sports policy as a nation (and not just in cricket) than we do here in the UK. The new generation will be pushing their way in pretty soon.
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It's beginning to look pretty bleak for Australia. (ah!!) There are now suggestions that both Haddin and Watson could lose their places; some doubt about Starc's fitness; and Johnson looking comparatively ordinary. They've lost Harris, and Rogers is in his last series. Are they a busted flush? After all, every dog has his day: have they had theirs?
They may have reached their dy for this particular generation, but Australia seem to have a better youth sports policy as a nation (and not just in cricket) than we do here in the UK. The new generation will be pushing their way in pretty soon.
I don't agree with you, Hope. I think we have an excellent system, and there is a lot of real talent coming through, and we saw a glimpse of it in the One-Day series against New Zealand.
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I don't agree with you, Hope. I think we have an excellent system, and there is a lot of real talent coming through, and we saw a glimpse of it in the One-Day series against New Zealand.
Ironically, BA, our system is only some 8-10 years old and is actually based on the Australian's own Academy system which has been around for 25 years and more.
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I don't agree with you, Hope. I think we have an excellent system, and there is a lot of real talent coming through, and we saw a glimpse of it in the One-Day series against New Zealand.
Ironically, BA, our system is only some 8-10 years old and is actually based on the Australian's own Academy system which has been around for 25 years and more.
Right, and good on us to see the benefits and adopt the system.
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Right, and good on us to see the benefits and adopt the system.
Just another point, I think it was Australian wicket keeper Rodney Marsh who encouraged the ECB to adopt the Australian's system!!
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Right, and good on us to see the benefits and adopt the system.
Just another point, I think it was Australian wicket keeper Rodney Marsh who encouraged the ECB to adopt the Australian's system!!
Yes, I seem to remember he worked here for some time, and was director of the Academy??
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So now Haddin out for the next Test: maybe for good? Faulkner out of the One-Day series, with Court appearance to come; Starc still doubtful for Thursday. Harris gone. Creak after creak in the Aussies! It's so sad! ;D ;D
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So now Haddin out for the next Test: maybe for good?
It's arguable he would have been dropped anyway.
Faulkner out of the One-Day series, with Court appearance to come; Starc still doubtful for Thursday. Harris gone. Creak after creak in the Aussies! It's so sad! ;D ;D
Yes, well let's not count our chickens just yet.
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So now Haddin out for the next Test: maybe for good?
It's arguable he would have been dropped anyway.
Faulkner out of the One-Day series, with Court appearance to come; Starc still doubtful for Thursday. Harris gone. Creak after creak in the Aussies! It's so sad! ;D ;D
Yes, well let's not count our chickens just yet.
No, but it's promising at the moment, and Aussie morale must be low.
Haddin is certainly finding it hard now, not surprisingly; and I don't think he can cope with back-to-back Tests. I thought he was looking much less agile than he has been, having lots of diving to do, and falling increasingly like the proverbial sack of potatoes! He managed it, but I reckon it's time up for him, and I think they'll see how Nevill goes at Lord's before deciding whether to make it a permanent change.
Rogers, of course, is also calling it time at the end of the Series; Watson is really struggling, probably out of the Lord's match, too; and even Clarke is creaking with injuries, constantly feeling his injured back, and maybe lacking the old motivation? Plus no Harris and maybe no Starc. I reckon the Aussies will do well to bounce back from all that! Looks like Jason Gillespie was not far off when summing up his old team-mates as, "Dad's Army."
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So now Haddin out for the next Test: maybe for good?
It's arguable he would have been dropped anyway.
Faulkner out of the One-Day series, with Court appearance to come; Starc still doubtful for Thursday. Harris gone. Creak after creak in the Aussies! It's so sad! ;D ;D
Yes, well let's not count our chickens just yet.
No, but it's promising at the moment, and Aussie morale must be low.
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Nice to see the Aussie morale affecting them so badly at Lords.
Looks like Jason Gillespie was not far off when summing up his old team-mates as, "Dad's Army."
What does that make us?
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England return to their usual form. Feels so much more normal.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/cricket/32809496
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So now Haddin out for the next Test: maybe for good?
It's arguable he would have been dropped anyway.
Faulkner out of the One-Day series, with Court appearance to come; Starc still doubtful for Thursday. Harris gone. Creak after creak in the Aussies! It's so sad! ;D ;D
Yes, well let's not count our chickens just yet.
No, but it's promising at the moment, and Aussie morale must be low.
Nice to see the Aussie morale affecting them so badly at Lords.
Looks like Jason Gillespie was not far off when summing up his old team-mates as, "Dad's Army."
What does that m
You'll even criticise your own team (if you can even call yourself an England supporter!) if you can get in a cheap shot at me. How mature. Anyone who actually knows anything about cricket, will have learned long ago that you don't assume anything when they haven't even competed the first innings yet!
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England return to their usual form. Feels so much more normal.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/cricket/32809496
What do you mean? The usual form they showed against New Zealand, or the form they showed at Cardiff?
Do you ever watch cricket?
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[quote http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-31775735=BashfulAnthony link=topic=10579.msg538643#msg538643 date=1436914924]
So now Haddin out for the next Test: maybe for good?
It's arguable he would have been dropped anyway.
Faulkner out of the One-Day series, with Court appearance to come; Starc still doubtful for Thursday. Harris gone. Creak after creak in the Aussies! It's so sad! ;D ;D
Yes, well let's not count our chickens just yet.
No, but it's promising at the moment, and Aussie morale must be low.
Nice to see the Aussie morale affecting them so badly at Lords.
Looks like Jason Gillespie was not far off when summing up his old team-mates as, "Dad's Army."
What does that make us?
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You'll even criticise your own team (if you can even call yourself an England supporter!) if you can get in a cheap shot at me. How mature. Anyone who actually knows anything about cricket, will have learned long ago that you don't assume anything when they haven't even competed the first innings yet!
BTW, get your quotes sorted out!!
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You'll even criticise your own team (if you can even call yourself an England supporter!) if you can get in a cheap shot at me. How mature. Anyone who actually knows anything about cricket, will have learned long ago that you don't assume anything when they haven't even competed the first innings yet!
I wasn't criticising England. I was criticising your overconfident assessment of Australia.
BTW, get your quotes sorted out!!
I'm on an iPad because I'm watching my mate's son playing cricket.
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You'll even criticise your own team (if you can even call yourself an England supporter!) if you can get in a cheap shot at me. How mature. Anyone who actually knows anything about cricket, will have learned long ago that you don't assume anything when they haven't even competed the first innings yet!
I wasn't criticising England. I was criticising your overconfident assessment of Australia.
BTW, get your quotes sorted out!!
I'm on an iPad because I'm watching my mate's son playing cricket.
You may have noticed, or not, that at the end of my post I put a question mark. I was pointing out the things going wrong for Australia, all common knowledge and not specifically my own assessment. Much of what I posted has haopened, the loss of both Haddin and Watson, in particular.
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You'll even criticise your own team (if you can even call yourself an England supporter!) if you can get in a cheap shot at me. How mature. Anyone who actually knows anything about cricket, will have learned long ago that you don't assume anything when they haven't even competed the first innings yet!
I wasn't criticising England. I was criticising your overconfident assessment of Australia.
BTW, get your quotes sorted out!!
I'm on an iPad because I'm watching my mate's son playing cricket.
You may have noticed, or not, that at the end of my post I put a question mark. I was pointing out the things going wrong for Australia, all common knowledge and not specifically my own assessment. Much of what I posted has haopened, the loss of both Haddin and Watson, in particular.
At this time there is no question mark in your assessment of Australia.
I don't no what your problem is. You blow even a minor criticism of your posts out of all proportion. And it looks like the best interpretation of your post is that it is wildly optimistic.
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You'll even criticise your own team (if you can even call yourself an England supporter!) if you can get in a cheap shot at me. How mature. Anyone who actually knows anything about cricket, will have learned long ago that you don't assume anything when they haven't even competed the first innings yet!
I wasn't criticising England. I was criticising your overconfident assessment of Australia.
BTW, get your quotes sorted out!!
I'm on an iPad because I'm watching my mate's son playing cricket.
You may have noticed, or not, that at the end of my post I put a question mark. I was pointing out the things going wrong for Australia, all common knowledge and not specifically my own assessment. Much of what I posted has haopened, the loss of both Haddin and Watson, in particular.
At this time there is no question mark in your assessment of Australia.
I don't no what your problem is. You blow even a minor criticism of your posts out of all proportion. And it looks like the best interpretation of your post is that it is wildly optimistic.
Maybe it's because I play my country's chances up, whilst so may England supporters their play down the team - as Rhiannon demonstrated a little earlier.
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England are seven down and need 93 to avoid the follow on. How up are you going to play their chances? I'd say they will lose before the fifth day.
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England are seven down and need 93 to avoid the follow on. How up are you going to play their chances? I'd say they will lose before the fifth day.
Still on the first innings: too early to make definite judgements. I don't think Australia will enforce the follow-on, it would be too much to expect their bowlers to be fresh enough to bowl effectively for successive innings. Assuming that England don't reach the follow-on target, even now. One thing I have learned over the years is never to take any situation in a match for granted; things can change so easily and dramatically. Then there is the possibility of rain now.
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But you have to admit it's looking pretty grim. The low morale dad's army is giving us a pasting.
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Incidentally we are getting pasted in the match I'm watching. The opposition are thinking of declaring and it's a limited overs match.
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But you have to admit it's looking pretty grim. The low morale dad's army is giving us a pasting.
The Aussies are on top, but as I said, you just never know in cricket, or any sport for that matter. And the Aussies are still Dad's army: you can't turn the clock back!
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Off thread, but just seen GB win the doubles in the Davis Cup match, to put us on the brink of the semi-finals - and that would be against the Aussies again, I think!
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The demoralised Dads' Army seems to have given us a damned good thrashing. The Aussies needn't even have bothered with their second innings.
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Off thread, but just seen GB win the doubles in the Davis Cup match, to put us on the brink of the semi-finals - and that would be against the Aussies again, I think!
There is going to be a fair amount of England/GB v Australia in the next couple of months - cricket, rugby, tennis.
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The demoralised Dads' Army seems to have given us a damned good thrashing. The Aussies needn't even have bothered with their second innings.
Support your own team, if you do support England, and leave the playing down to the Aussies, and co.
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The demoralised Dads' Army seems to have given us a damned good thrashing. The Aussies needn't even have bothered with their second innings.
Support your own team, if you do support England,
Since when did supporting a team mean I am not allowed to be critical of its performance, or, more to the point, critical of somebody who wants to deny reality?
and leave the playing down to the Aussies, and co.
It's a shame the England team left the playing to the Aussies. Maybe they wouldn't have been so humiliated by the team you characterised as demoralised and a "Dad's Army" if they had bothered to turn up.
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The demoralised Dads' Army seems to have given us a damned good thrashing. The Aussies needn't even have bothered with their second innings.
Support your own team, if you do support England,
Since when did supporting a team mean I am not allowed to be critical of its performance, or, more to the point, critical of somebody who wants to deny reality?
and leave the playing down to the Aussies, and co.
It's a shame the England team left the playing to the Aussies. Maybe they wouldn't have been so humiliated by the team you characterised as demoralised and a "Dad's Army" if they had bothered to turn up.
There is no need to go on about England's deficiencies in this match: the players know it well enough. I suggest, as the Aussies did, we address the problems and continue to back our side. It is when you are down that you need encouragement, not when you are winning, which is encouragement in itself.
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At this rate, it looks like England will be asking for the extra half hour to polish off the aussies in 2 days...
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At this rate, it looks like England will be asking for the extra half hour to polish off the aussies in 2 days...
Astonishing performance over the last two days.
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Really pleased for Steve Finn - I've always rated his bowling, even with all the problems he was having with knocking into the wickets in his run up.
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At last, Neville out.
Concerning the review issue, should reviews that show that the batsman is potentially out, but result in "umpires' call", be treated as succcesful in regard to losing a review, since the review call has been shown to be legitimate?
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At last, Neville out.
Concerning the review issue, should reviews that show that the batsman is potentially out, but result in "umpires' call", be treated as succcesful in regard to losing a review, since the review call has been shown to be legitimate?
Personally, I think that "umpire's call" is a nonsense. If the review shows the batsman to be out, he should be out (and vice versa).
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Whilst we have some appalling bowling and batting this match, we have had some amazing balls bowled - the two that Mitchell Johnson bowled to Bairstow and Stokes in the first innings and Starc's ball that bowled Cook in the second. Then several of Anderson's and Finn's 15 wicket-taking balls and some of Nathan Lyons wicket-taking balls!
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Cricket and Ashes related, but tenuously: There are 3 Mitchells in the Australian squad, all first names. IIRC, they are all in their early - mid-20s. Now, my question is - was there a famous 'Mitchell' (soap character/actor/politician/sportsman/...) in Australia in the late 80s/early 90s that they were named after.
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Cricket and Ashes related, but tenuously: There are 3 Mitchells in the Australian squad, all first names. IIRC, they are all in their early - mid-20s. Now, my question is - was there a famous 'Mitchell' (soap character/actor/politician/sportsman/...) in Australia in the late 80s/early 90s that they were named after.
There are several, including "our" very own Kylie.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madge_Bishop
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlene_Robinson
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Ramsay_(Neighbours)
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There are several, including "our" very own Kylie.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madge_Bishop
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlene_Robinson
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Ramsay_(Neighbours)
Thanks, jeremy. Hadn't realised that Mitchell preceded Robinson. Mind you, Mitchell was a surname not a given one.
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What a start to the 4th Test. I'm sure that Jimmy A is wishing he'd been fit for the match!!
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Caught a newsflash this morning saying England had opted to field, then saw your comment. Flashed up the BBC cricket page and saw 'England 13-0 at lunch' and thought I'd got it wrong... all out for 60.
Some wag on the BBC site suggesting England should declare and put them straight back in :)
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Some superb pictures of 'shocked' vegetables and power sockets on the BBC Test webpage - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/cricket/32809885 (scroll down through the text summary).
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Looks like the Aussies will be back in after lunch. If they fail to overtake England's lead and they are bowled out befor lunch tomorrow, England will have won two test matches in the time allocated to play one
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They were in before lunch for 10 minutes, a shock declaration by Cook at about 12.42.
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Apparently, Wood has bowled at least a full over of no balls, as well as a number of one-offs. We have just had Finn bowl one off which Neville was caught. It wasn't called until after the catch had been taken and the 3rd umpire been involved.
There is a lot of concern, both on the radio and TV that no-balls aren't being called. Is it not time that, unless an umpire calls a no-ball 'in play', the fact that the ball might have been a no-ball becomes irrelevant?
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Is it true that some men, wearing white sweaters and trousers and speaking with Australian accents, were seen in a Nottingham police station asking for political asylum?
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Less than a year ago, Alistair Cook was being lambasted for his poor form, both with the bat and his poor captaincy. Yesterday, he joined two of England's greats as only the third England captain of all time to win two home Ashes series - the others being W.G.Grace and Mike Brearley.
England, as a whole, have turned the cricketing world upside down from abject failures a year ago, to stunning Ashes winners now.
What do folk put such turnarounds - both Cook as an individual and the team/squad as a whole - down to?
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An interesting report into the value or otherwise of home advantage
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/33841265
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An interesting report into the value or otherwise of home advantage
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/33841265
As Jason Gillespie said, at the beginning of the tour," It's like Dad's Army."
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An interesting report into the value or otherwise of home advantage
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/33841265
As Jason Gillespie said, at the beginning of the tour," It's like Dad's Army."
It doesn't say anything about that in the article. However, I might remind you that in the conditions most resembling those of Australia (at Lords), the Dads' Army pummelled us.
I think it is fair to say that the current Australian batting line up is not World class (I think a world class player should be able to adapt to the prevailing conditions) but I don't think ours is either.
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An interesting report into the value or otherwise of home advantage
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/33841265
As Jason Gillespie
It doesn't say anything about that in the article. However, I might remind you that in the conditions most resembling those of Australia (at Lords), the Dads' Army pummelled us.
I think it is fair to say that the current Australian batting line up is not World class (I think a world class player should be able to adapt to the prevailing conditions) but I don't think ours is either.
But we've pummelled them three times, so far, and as Michael Clarke admitted, a good team has to adapt to the prevailing conditions. It remains to be seen whether England will abroad. But is it is increasingly difficult for visitng teams to win a series abroad.
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An interesting report into the value or otherwise of home advantage
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/33841265
As Jason Gillespie said, at the beginning of the tour," It's like Dad's Army."
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An interesting report into the value or otherwise of home advantage
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/33841265
As Jason Gillespie said, at the beginning of the tour," It's like Dad's Army."
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He likened the Aussie team to Dad's Army.
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But we've pummelled them three times,
In conditions that give our batsmen and bowlers a huge advantage.
Michael Clarke admitted, a good team has to adapt to the prevailing conditions.
I agree and if you look at my previous post, you'll see that I wrote nearly exactly that.
It remains to be seen whether England will abroad.
Indeed, but I think Lords would be a taster for that.
But is it is increasingly difficult for visitng teams to win a series abroad.
Yes and the article explains why.
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But we've pummelled them three times,
In conditions that give our batsmen and bowlers a huge advantage.
Michael Clarke admitted, a good team has to adapt to the prevailing conditions.
I agree and if you look at my previous post, you'll see that I wrote nearly exactly that.
It remains to be seen whether England will abroad.
Indeed, but I think Lords would be a taster for that.
But is it is increasingly difficult for visitng teams to win a series abroad.
Yes and the article explains why.
Top Test batsmen , some world-class, ought to be able to adapt, at least to some extent. 60 all out, before lunch is inexcusable. Some of the Aussie batsmen have played in England regularly. They cannot claim conditions were completely alien to them.
Fair dues: credit to an outstanding bowling spell by Broad, allied to brilliant catching.
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He likened the Aussie team to Dad's Army.
I'm aware of that, Bash. Just wondering what relevance that has to the article.
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He likened the Aussie team to Dad's Army.
I'm aware of that, Bash. Just wondering what relevance that has to the article.
I haven't read the article, it won't come up. I was just addressing the topic.
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But we've pummelled them three times,
In conditions that give our batsmen and bowlers a huge advantage.
Michael Clarke admitted, a good team has to adapt to the prevailing conditions.
I agree and if you look at my previous post, you'll see that I wrote nearly exactly that.
It remains to be seen whether England will abroad.
Indeed, but I think Lords would be a taster for that.
But is it is increasingly difficult for visitng teams to win a series abroad.
Yes and the article explains why.
Top Test batsmen , some world-class, ought to be able to adapt, at least to some extent. 60 all out, before lunch is inexcusable.
You're confusing me. Do you think we are having an argument here? Because your statements seem to be agreeing with mine.
Some of the Aussie batsmen have played in England regularly. They cannot claim conditions were completely alien to them.
Michael Clarke claimed the Trent Bridge pitch was as difficult as he had seen. Most of the commentators were claiming that Edgbaston was worse and England scored 390 immediately after the Aussies were skittles out for 60. I think we can be sure that the Aussie claims are just excuses. In reality, the batsmen were unable to cope with a moving ball. Combine this with the psychological scars from the previous test and you have the makings of the rout. It still needed exceptional England bowling and fielding skill to take advantage though.
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But we've pummelled them three times,
In conditions that give our batsmen and bowlers a huge advantage.
Michael Clarke admitted, a good team has to adapt to the prevailing conditions.
I agree and if you look at my previous post, you'll see that I wrote nearly exactly that.
It remains to be seen whether England will abroad.
Indeed, but I think Lords would be a taster for that.
But is it is increasingly difficult for visitng teams to win a series abroad.
Yes and the article explains why.
Top Test batsmen , some world-class, ought to be able to adapt, at least to some extent. 60 all out, before lunch is inexcusable.
You're confusing me. Do you think we are having an argument here? Because your statements seem to be agreeing with mine.
Some of the Aussie batsmen have played in England regularly. They cannot claim conditions were completely alien to them.
Michael Clarke claimed the Trent Bridge pitch was as difficult as he had seen. Most of the commentators were claiming that Edgbaston was worse and England scored 390 immediately after the Aussies were skittles out for 60. I think we can be sure that the Aussie claims are just excuses. In reality, the batsmen were unable to cope with a moving ball. Combine this with the psychological scars from the previous test and you have the makings of the rout. It still needed exceptional England bowling and fielding skill to take advantage though.
"You're confusing me. Do you think we are having an argument here? Because your statements seem to be agreeing with mine."
No argument. I'm just putting those Aussie claims in perspective.
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The Ladies' Ashes Test looks to be a little closer - after an early wobble on the first day Australia batted well through the lower order, 268 for 8 at the end of play. Could be an interesting day if that tail order hangs on until lunch.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/33895778
Doesn't look hopeful.
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I see that 37-year old Australian opener, Chris Rogers, has announced his retirement from international cricket following the 5th Ashes Test. He follows in the footsteps of Michael Clarke.
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This series saw a considerable problem with batting, often of the batsman's making - one criticism from many commentators was the insistence by some to play 20/20 shots unnecessarily. With Pakistan in the UAE England's next opponents, who do those who watch cricket believe the English team could or should be for that series?
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Ony partially related to the Ashes - insofar as it was the last match of the Women's Ashes Series - what do you think of double-headering a mens' and women's T20 match as they have done at Cardiff today? Could we see a double English victory, I wonder?
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Double England victory. Well done all.