Religion and Ethics Forum
Religion and Ethics Discussion => Theism and Atheism => Topic started by: Outrider on October 19, 2015, 08:56:21 AM
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Saw an article today on a new display at the British Museum that's on for a couple of months, highlighting the 'cross-pollination' of religious ideas and iconography during the centuries after Cleopatra - looks interesting.
http://www.britishmuseum.org/whats_on/exhibitions/faith_after_the_pharaohs.aspx
O.
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Saw an article today on a new display at the British Museum that's on for a couple of months, highlighting the 'cross-pollination' of religious ideas and iconography during the centuries after Cleopatra - looks interesting.
http://www.britishmuseum.org/whats_on/exhibitions/faith_after_the_pharaohs.aspx
O.
If I can scrape up a Tenner I'll go see this - not this week-end though, this week-end is Samhain and the Manga Expo.
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Saw an article today on a new display at the British Museum that's on for a couple of months, highlighting the 'cross-pollination' of religious ideas and iconography during the centuries after Cleopatra - looks interesting.
http://www.britishmuseum.org/whats_on/exhibitions/faith_after_the_pharaohs.aspx
O.
If I can scrape up a Tenner I'll go see this - not this week-end though, this week-end is Samhain and the Manga Expo.
What are Samhain," and the Mangy Expo?"
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Saw an article today on a new display at the British Museum that's on for a couple of months, highlighting the 'cross-pollination' of religious ideas and iconography during the centuries after Cleopatra - looks interesting.
http://www.britishmuseum.org/whats_on/exhibitions/faith_after_the_pharaohs.aspx
O.
If I can scrape up a Tenner I'll go see this - not this week-end though, this week-end is Samhain and the Manga Expo.
What are Samhain," and the Mangy Expo?"
Everything you need to know about Samhain is on the Halloween thread. As for the rest, you need to check your spelling - people might think you are being deliberately provocative otherwise.
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Oh don't worry about it, if Bash doesn't know about it, he is forbidden by the precepts of Googlelessness from doing any research. 'If you don't know it, you aren't allowed to find out about it'
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Is that a new religion? Sounds fun :)
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Is that a new religion? Sounds fun :)
Which one? Samhain or Manga?
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Saw an article today on a new display at the British Museum that's on for a couple of months, highlighting the 'cross-pollination' of religious ideas and iconography during the centuries after Cleopatra - looks interesting.
http://www.britishmuseum.org/whats_on/exhibitions/faith_after_the_pharaohs.aspx
O.
If I can scrape up a Tenner I'll go see this - not this week-end though, this week-end is Samhain and the Manga Expo.
What are Samhain," and the Mangy Expo?"
Everything you need to know about Samhain is on the Halloween thread. As for the rest, you need to check your spelling - people might think you are being deliberately provocative otherwise.
Far be it from me to be provocative.
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Saw an article today on a new display at the British Museum that's on for a couple of months, highlighting the 'cross-pollination' of religious ideas and iconography during the centuries after Cleopatra - looks interesting.
http://www.britishmuseum.org/whats_on/exhibitions/faith_after_the_pharaohs.aspx
O.
If I can scrape up a Tenner I'll go see this - not this week-end though, this week-end is Samhain and the Manga Expo.
What are Samhain," and the Mangy Expo?"
Everything you need to know about Samhain is on the Halloween thread. As for the rest, you need to check your spelling - people might think you are being deliberately provocative otherwise.
Far be it from me to be provocative.
Oh, I knew it was not a typo!
I would ask you to come along to the Excel and see what a Manga Con is but you would be about as welcome as a Christian Fundamentalist at the Witchfest in Croydon.
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Oh don't worry about it, if Bash doesn't know about it, he is forbidden by the precepts of Googlelessness from doing any research. 'If you don't know it, you aren't allowed to find out about it'
Just to be accurate and to correct the above mis-representation: I said that it is not ethical to use Google to make arguments as though they were a product of your own thinking. I also said that it is only the correct thing to state your sources, so that they can be checked. I did not say it is "forbidden" to google. If I use it, I use it on those terms, unless I am merely checking a spelling, or something equally trivial.
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Saw an article today on a new display at the British Museum that's on for a couple of months, highlighting the 'cross-pollination' of religious ideas and iconography during the centuries after Cleopatra - looks interesting.
http://www.britishmuseum.org/whats_on/exhibitions/faith_after_the_pharaohs.aspx
O.
If I can scrape up a Tenner I'll go see this - not this week-end though, this week-end is Samhain and the Manga Expo.
I'll sub you a tenner!
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Saw an article today on a new display at the British Museum that's on for a couple of months, highlighting the 'cross-pollination' of religious ideas and iconography during the centuries after Cleopatra - looks interesting.
http://www.britishmuseum.org/whats_on/exhibitions/faith_after_the_pharaohs.aspx
O.
If I can scrape up a Tenner I'll go see this - not this week-end though, this week-end is Samhain and the Manga Expo.
What are Samhain," and the Mangy Expo?"
Everything you need to know about Samhain is on the Halloween thread. As for the rest, you need to check your spelling - people might think you are being deliberately provocative otherwise.
Far be it from me to be provocative.
Oh, I knew it was not a typo!
I would ask you to come along to the Excel and see what a Manga Con is but you would be about as welcome as a Christian Fundamentalist at the Witchfest in Croydon.
I am not well enough to travel, or I'd attempt to go. Perhaps you could enlighten me though?
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Saw an article today on a new display at the British Museum that's on for a couple of months, highlighting the 'cross-pollination' of religious ideas and iconography during the centuries after Cleopatra - looks interesting.
http://www.britishmuseum.org/whats_on/exhibitions/faith_after_the_pharaohs.aspx
O.
If I can scrape up a Tenner I'll go see this - not this week-end though, this week-end is Samhain and the Manga Expo.
I'll sub you a tenner!
Thanks for the offer, Floo, I'll make it during November after the 8th when the pension comes through!
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Just to be accurate and to correct the above mis-representation: I said that it is not ethical to use Google to make arguments as though they were a product of your own thinking. I also said that it is only the correct thing to state your sources, so that they can be checked. I did not say it is "forbidden" to google. If I use it, I use it on those terms, unless I am merely checking a spelling, or something equally trivial.
So how do you know what people are using it for? Or inddeed, are using it - it's not as if you have cited any form of plagiarism, merely asserted that someone has goodgled something. Further as to citation,, can you be sure that anything you say is just your own thinking?
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Just to be accurate and to correct the above mis-representation: I said that it is not ethical to use Google to make arguments as though they were a product of your own thinking. I also said that it is only the correct thing to state your sources, so that they can be checked. I did not say it is "forbidden" to google. If I use it, I use it on those terms, unless I am merely checking a spelling, or something equally trivial.
So how do you know what people are using it for? Or inddeed, are using it - it's not as if you have cited any form of plagiarism, merely asserted that someone has goodgled something. Further as to citation,, can you be sure that anything you s...
Some posts, especially those of a technical or very involved nature, are very clearly the product of googling. As I said, I have no objection to that as long as the poster makes it clear, and thus gives others the opportunity to check the veracity and integrity of the information, or view, taken. Now what is wrong with that?
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Saw an article today on a new display at the British Museum that's on for a couple of months, highlighting the 'cross-pollination' of religious ideas and iconography during the centuries after Cleopatra - looks interesting.
http://www.britishmuseum.org/whats_on/exhibitions/faith_after_the_pharaohs.aspx
O.
If I can scrape up a Tenner I'll go see this - not this week-end though, this week-end is Samhain and the Manga Expo.
I'll sub you a tenner!
Thanks for the offer, Floo, I'll make it during November after the 8th when the pension comes through!
BTW it was a serious offer I wasn't joking. :)
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Saw an article today on a new display at the British Museum that's on for a couple of months, highlighting the 'cross-pollination' of religious ideas and iconography during the centuries after Cleopatra - looks interesting.
http://www.britishmuseum.org/whats_on/exhibitions/faith_after_the_pharaohs.aspx
O.
If I can scrape up a Tenner I'll go see this - not this week-end though, this week-end is Samhain and the Manga Expo.
I'll sub you a tenner!
Thanks for the offer, Floo, I'll make it during November after the 8th when the pension comes through!
BTW it was a serious offer I wasn't joking. :)
I did not doubt it for a second.
Do not, please, think that I am not grateful for the offer, but for reasons that I do not want to go into it is an offer I cannot accept at the moment and not just from you - from anyone!
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Saw an article today on a new display at the British Museum that's on for a couple of months, highlighting the 'cross-pollination' of religious ideas and iconography during the centuries after Cleopatra - looks interesting.
http://www.britishmuseum.org/whats_on/exhibitions/faith_after_the_pharaohs.aspx
O.
If I can scrape up a Tenner I'll go see this - not this week-end though, this week-end is Samhain and the Manga Expo.
I'll sub you a tenner!
Thanks for the offer, Floo, I'll make it during November after the 8th when the pension comes through!
BTW it was a serious offer I wasn't joking. :)
I did not doubt it for a second.
Do not, please, think that I am not grateful for the offer, but for reasons that I do not want to go into it is an offer I cannot accept at the moment and not just from you - from anyone!
Fair enough, no problem. :)
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Is that a new religion? Sounds fun :)
Which one? Samhain or Manga?
No, the one you're not allowed to find out about unless you already know it - Googlelessness.
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Just to be accurate and to correct the above mis-representation: I said that it is not ethical to use Google to make arguments as though they were a product of your own thinking. I also said that it is only the correct thing to state your sources, so that they can be checked. I did not say it is "forbidden" to google. If I use it, I use it on those terms, unless I am merely checking a spelling, or something equally trivial.
So how do you know what people are using it for? Or inddeed, are using it - it's not as if you have cited any form of plagiarism, merely asserted that someone has goodgled something. Further as to citation,, can you be sure that anything you say is just your own thinking?
I'll try again: if you use a google site to make a point, then you should say so in order that people may check out its credentials. Why can't you see that, or, presumably, accept it?
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Just to be accurate and to correct the above mis-representation: I said that it is not ethical to use Google to make arguments as though they were a product of your own thinking. I also said that it is only the correct thing to state your sources, so that they can be checked. I did not say it is "forbidden" to google. If I use it, I use it on those terms, unless I am merely checking a spelling, or something equally trivial.
So how do you know what people are using it for? Or inddeed, are using it - it's not as if you have cited any form of plagiarism, merely asserted that someone has goodgled something. Further as to citation,, can you be sure that anything you say is just your own thinking?
I'll try again: if you use a google site to make a point, then you should say so in order that people may check out its credentials. Why can't you see that, or, presumably, accept it?
Because there is no reason why, if you Google the subject, you should not come up with the same information for yourself; but, as has been said before, by others, you are too bone idle to do your own checking, you want it handed to you on a plate without any effort on your part, and you have yourself said that you "cannot be bothered" to do your own research.
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My issue is that it isn't really clear what your point is, or how you would know the difference between someone go ogling to check some facts, and it somehow coming up with the entire idea
If I consult a book I own where I read something previously, should I cite it? I didn't come up with the idea of hard solipsism on my own, indeed almost none of the ideas we might express are original, so should I cite whichever book I read it in first, every time I mention the idea?
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My issue is that it isn't really clear what your point is, or how you would know the difference between someone go ogling to check some facts, and it somehow coming up with the entire idea
If I consult a book I own where I read something previously, should I cite it? I didn't come up with the idea of hard solipsism on my own, indeed almost none of the ideas we might express are original, so should I cite whichever book I read it in first, every time I mention the idea?
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This is, of course, where BA has the advantage over us mere mortals.
We get our ideas and information from a plethora of sources, authors etc; he gets his from only one source - the god of the Christians via the bible - so he doesn't have to cite anyone or any publication.
This is, of course, why he is so anti-Google - he doesn't need it (for the aforementioned reason) so he cannot see why anyone else should be allowed to do so.
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Some posts, especially those of a technical or very involved nature, are very clearly the product of googling.
Except that, with your grasp of some of the 'technical' subjects, what you think is the product of googling is in fact just a facet of the fact that some of us spent part of our lives going out and actually learning stuff.
O.
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No, the one you're not allowed to find out about unless you already know it - Googlelessness.
Not a new religion, Ud., but a new craze - rather like 'Mindfulness' ;)
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Some posts, especially those of a technical or very involved nature, are very clearly the product of googling.
Except that, with your grasp of some of the 'technical' subjects, what you think is the product of googling is in fact just a facet of the fact that some of us spent part of our lives going out and actually learning stuff.
O.
Nice one! :)
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Some posts, especially those of a technical or very involved nature, are very clearly the product of googling.
Except that, with your grasp of some of the 'technical' subjects, what you think is the product of googling is in fact just a facet of the fact that some of us spent part of our lives going out and actually learning stuff.
O.
Some of us - a large part of our lives. And not just 'some of the technical' subjects. Mine was Early Modern History.
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Some posts, especially those of a technical or very involved nature, are very clearly the product of googling.
Except that, with your grasp of some of the 'technical' subjects, what you think is the product of googling is in fact just a facet of the fact that some of us spent part of our lives going out and actually learning stuff.
O.
Nice one! :)
I studied Divinity as my main subject; I taught it as my main subject all my working life; I have lived and moved in the world, especially in the religious community, all my life; so don't come that gumpf with me. I have more experience and knowledge of religion than you've dreamed of.
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Some posts, especially those of a technical or very involved nature, are very clearly the product of googling.
Except that, with your grasp of some of the 'technical' subjects, what you think is the product of googling is in fact just a facet of the fact that some of us spent part of our lives going out and actually learning stuff.
O.
Nice one! :)
I studied Divinity as my main subject; I taught it as my main subject all my working life; I have lived and moved in the world, especially in the religious community, all my life; so don't come that gumpf with me. I have more experience and knowledge of religion than you've dreamed of.
Divinity! A subject of virtually no practical use whatsoever in the real world! This mini-bio is more than sufficient explanation of your total lack of connection with reality.
It also explains the total pointlessness of trying to have a debate with you - you are too hidebound in the "I am a lecturer" mode and thus have no concept of the meaning of the word duscussion.
Head back to cloud-cuckoo-divinity-land BA - I for one will not miss you in the slighhtest.
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Some posts, especially those of a technical or very involved nature, are very clearly the product of googling.
Except that, with your grasp of some of the 'technical' subjects, what you think is the product of googling is in fact just a facet of the fact that some of us spent part of our lives going out and actually learning stuff.
O.
Nice one! :)
I studied Divinity as my main subject; I taught it as my main subject all my working life; I have lived and moved in the world, especially in the religious community, all my life; so don't come that gumpf with me. I have more experience and knowledge of religion than you've dreamed of.
Divinity! A subject of virtually no practical use whatsoever in the real world! This mini-bio is more than sufficient explanation of your total lack of connection with reality.
It also explains the total pointlessness of trying to have a debate with you - you are too hidebound in the "I am a lecturer" mode and thus have no concept of the meaning of the word duscussion.
Head back to cloud-cuckoo-divinity-land BA - I for one will not miss you in the slighhtest.
Don't you realise what a poor exponent of debating you represent? Kindly look at yourself before criticising anyone else.
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Some posts, especially those of a technical or very involved nature, are very clearly the product of googling.
Except that, with your grasp of some of the 'technical' subjects, what you think is the product of googling is in fact just a facet of the fact that some of us spent part of our lives going out and actually learning stuff.
O.
Nice one! :)
I studied Divinity as my main subject; I taught it as my main subject all my working life; I have lived and moved in the world, especially in the religious community, all my life; so don't come that gumpf with me. I have more experience and knowledge of religion than you've dreamed of.
Divinity! A subject of virtually no practical use whatsoever in the real world! This mini-bio is more than sufficient explanation of your total lack of connection with reality.
It also explains the total pointlessness of trying to have a debate with you - you are too hidebound in the "I am a lecturer" mode and thus have no concept of the meaning of the word duscussion.
Head back to cloud-cuckoo-divinity-land BA - I for one will not miss you in the slighhtest.
Don't you realise what a poor exponent of debating you represent? Kindly look at yourself before criticising anyone else.
When it comes to debating I get an A* to your D-.
I leave the last word in this conversation to you - I have no doubt it will be a real gem.
I really cannot be bothered with you any further.
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Some posts, especially those of a technical or very involved nature, are very clearly the product of googling.
Except that, with your grasp of some of the 'technical' subjects, what you think is the product of googling is in fact just a facet of the fact that some of us spent part of our lives going out and actually learning stuff.
O.
Nice one! :)
I studied Divinity as my main subject; I taught it as my main subject all my working life; I have lived and moved in the world, especially in the religious community, all my life; so don't come that gumpf with me. I have more experience and knowledge of religion than you've dreamed of.
Divinity! A subject of virtually no practical use whatsoever in the real world! This mini-bio is more than sufficient explanation of your total lack of connection with reality.
It also explains the total pointlessness of trying to have a debate with you - you are too hidebound in the "I am a lecturer" mode and thus have no concept of the meaning of the word duscussion.
Head back to cloud-cuckoo-divinity-land BA - I for one will not miss you in the slighhtest.
Don't you realise what a poor exponent of debating you represent? Kindly look at yourself before criticising anyone else.
When it comes to debating I get an A* to your D-.
I leave the last word in this conversation to you - I have no doubt it will be a real gem.
I really cannot be bothered with you any further. *
You get no A's, not in debate, religious understanding, or even English usage, though I suspect you might do well on dressing up in silly hats.
* Thank you for that.
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Some posts, especially those of a technical or very involved nature, are very clearly the product of googling.
Except that, with your grasp of some of the 'technical' subjects, what you think is the product of googling is in fact just a facet of the fact that some of us spent part of our lives going out and actually learning stuff.
O.
Nice one! :)
I studied Divinity as my main subject; I taught it as my main subject all my working life; I have lived and moved in the world, especially in the religious community, all my life; so don't come that gumpf with me. I have more experience and knowledge of religion than you've dreamed of.
What a waste. I've studied science, engineering and mathematics, and then worked in with those fields - I've more experience and knowledge of reality than it appears you've dreamed of.
If, as you say, you're such an academic, then you'd know that reviewing the latest output on a given topic is not 'cheating', it's the expectation. Whilst, in academic circles, citations should be rigorously adhered to, this is a chat forum, no-one is attempting anything other than the self-gratification of a point well-made here. If the point has come from someone else, so what, almost all of them have - I suspect there are very few original arguments being made amongst these discussions. Arguments stand or fall on their own merits, not on who makes them.
O.
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Some posts, especially those of a technical or very involved nature, are very clearly the product of googling.
Except that, with your grasp of some of the 'technical' subjects, what you think is the product of googling is in fact just a facet of the fact that some of us spent part of our lives going out and actually learning stuff.
O.
Nice one! :)
I studied Divinity as my main subject; I taught it as my main subject all my working life; I have lived and moved in the world, especially in the religious community, all my life; so don't come that gumpf with me. I have more experience and knowledge of religion than you've dreamed of.
What a waste. I've studied science, engineering and mathematics, and then worked in with those fields - I've more experience and knowledge of reality than it appears you've dreamed of.
If, as you say, you're such an academic, then you'd know that reviewing the latest output on a given topic is not 'cheating', it's the expectation. Whilst, in academic circles, citations should be rigorously adhered to, this is a chat forum, no-one is attempting anything other than the self-gratification of a point well-made here. If the point has come from someone else, so what, almost all of them have - I suspect there are very few original arguments being made amongst these discussions. Arguments stand or fall on their own merits, not on who makes them.
O.
What a silly post. No mention of any knowledge or expertise in religion or religious studies, which is what is under discussion here. In my experience, scientists don't live anywhere else but in the clouds; and why being in engineering or mathematics gives you any insight into the reality of religion is beyond me. I have probably worked longer than you and mixed in all areas of society, and from what I see of yours, and others', posts on here, I have a far greater grasp of reality than you could ever boast.
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Some posts, especially those of a technical or very involved nature, are very clearly the product of googling.
Except that, with your grasp of some of the 'technical' subjects, what you think is the product of googling is in fact just a facet of the fact that some of us spent part of our lives going out and actually learning stuff.
O.
Nice one! :)
I studied Divinity as my main subject; I taught it as my main subject all my working life; I have lived and moved in the world, especially in the religious community, all my life; so don't come that gumpf with me. I have more experience and knowledge of religion than you've dreamed of.
What a waste. I've studied science, engineering and mathematics, and then worked in with those fields - I've more experience and knowledge of reality than it appears you've dreamed of.
If, as you say, you're such an academic, then you'd know that reviewing the latest output on a given topic is not 'cheating', it's the expectation. Whilst, in academic circles, citations should be rigorously adhered to, this is a chat forum, no-one is attempting anything other than the self-gratification of a point well-made here. If the point has come from someone else, so what, almost all of them have - I suspect there are very few original arguments being made amongst these discussions. Arguments stand or fall on their own merits, not on who makes them.
O.
What a silly post. No mention of any knowledge or expertise in religion or religious studies, which is what is under discussion here. In my experience, scientists don't live anywhere else but in the clouds; and why being in engineering or mathematics gives you any insight into the reality of religion is beyond me. I have probably worked longer than you and mixed in all areas of society, and from what I see of yours, and others', posts on here, I have a far greater grasp of reality than you could ever boast.
But you believe in a magic sky fairy, so we can assume that your grasp of reality is as low as its possible to get.
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Some posts, especially those of a technical or very involved nature, are very clearly the product of googling.
Except that, with your grasp of some of the 'technical' subjects, what you think is the product of googling is in fact just a facet of the fact that some of us spent part of our lives going out and actually learning stuff.
O.
Nice one! :)
I studied Divinity as my main subject; I taught it as my main subject all my working life; I have lived and moved in the world, especially in the religious community, all my life; so don't come that gumpf with me. I have more experience and knowledge of religion than you've dreamed of.
What a waste. I've studied science, engineering and mathematics, and then worked in with those fields - I've more experience and knowledge of reality than it appears you've dreamed of.
If, as you say, you're such an academic, then you'd know that reviewing the latest output on a given topic is not 'cheating', it's the expectation. Whilst, in academic circles, citations should be rigorously adhered to, this is a chat forum, no-one is attempting anything other than the self-gratification of a point well-made here. If the point has come from someone else, so what, almost all of them have - I suspect there are very few original arguments being made amongst these discussions. Arguments stand or fall on their own merits, not on who makes them.
O.
What a silly post. No mention of any knowledge or expertise in religion or religious studies, which is what is under discussion here. In my experience, scientists don't live anywhere else but in the clouds; and why being in engineering or mathematics gives you any insight into the reality of religion is beyond me. I have probably worked longer than you and mixed in all areas of society, and from what I see of yours, and others', posts on here, I have a far greater grasp of reality than you could ever boast.
But you believe in a magic sky fairy, so we can assume that your grasp of reality is as low as its possible to get.
Anybody who can only talk in terms of "fairies" is not a serious debater.
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Some posts, especially those of a technical or very involved nature, are very clearly the product of googling.
Except that, with your grasp of some of the 'technical' subjects, what you think is the product of googling is in fact just a facet of the fact that some of us spent part of our lives going out and actually learning stuff.
O.
Nice one! :)
I studied Divinity as my main subject; I taught it as my main subject all my working life; I have lived and moved in the world, especially in the religious community, all my life; so don't come that gumpf with me. I have more experience and knowledge of religion than you've dreamed of.
What a waste. I've studied science, engineering and mathematics, and then worked in with those fields - I've more experience and knowledge of reality than it appears you've dreamed of.
If, as you say, you're such an academic, then you'd know that reviewing the latest output on a given topic is not 'cheating', it's the expectation. Whilst, in academic circles, citations should be rigorously adhered to, this is a chat forum, no-one is attempting anything other than the self-gratification of a point well-made here. If the point has come from someone else, so what, almost all of them have - I suspect there are very few original arguments being made amongst these discussions. Arguments stand or fall on their own merits, not on who makes them.
O.
What a silly post. No mention of any knowledge or expertise in religion or religious studies, which is what is under discussion here. In my experience, scientists don't live anywhere else but in the clouds; and why being in engineering or mathematics gives you any insight into the reality of religion is beyond me. I have probably worked longer than you and mixed in all areas of society, and from what I see of yours, and others', posts on here, I have a far greater grasp of reality than you could ever boast.
But you believe in a magic sky fairy, so we can assume that your grasp of reality is as low as its possible to get.
Anybody who can only talk in terms of "fairies" is not a serious debater.
And yet YOU believe it exists.
This demonstrates your grip on reality is deeply flawed.
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Some posts, especially those of a technical or very involved nature, are very clearly the product of googling.
Except that, with your grasp of some of the 'technical' subjects, what you think is the product of googling is in fact just a facet of the fact that some of us spent part of our lives going out and actually learning stuff.
O.
Nice one! :)
I studied Divinity as my main subject; I taught it as my main subject all my working life; I have lived and moved in the world, especially in the religious community, all my life; so don't come that gumpf with me. I have more experience and knowledge of religion than you've dreamed of.
What a waste. I've studied science, engineering and mathematics, and then worked in with those fields - I've more experience and knowledge of reality than it appears you've dreamed of.
If, as you say, you're such an academic, then you'd know that reviewing the latest output on a given topic is not 'cheating', it's the expectation. Whilst, in academic circles, citations should be rigorously adhered to, this is a chat forum, no-one is attempting anything other than the self-gratification of a point well-made here. If the point has come from someone else, so what, almost all of them have - I suspect there are very few original arguments being made amongst these discussions. Arguments stand or fall on their own merits, not on who makes them.
O.
What a silly post. No mention of any knowledge or expertise in religion or religious studies, which is what is under discussion here. In my experience, scientists don't live anywhere else but in the clouds; and why being in engineering or mathematics gives you any insight into the reality of religion is beyond me. I have probably worked longer than you and mixed in all areas of society, and from what I see of yours, and others', posts on here, I have a far greater grasp of reality than you could ever boast.
But you believe in a magic sky fairy, so we can assume that your grasp of reality is as low as its possible to get.
Anybody who can only talk in terms of "fairies" is not a serious debater.
And yet YOU believe it exists.
This demonstrates your grip on reality is deeply flawed.
Along with billions of others - so who says you are in the real world?
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BA
Along with billions of others - so who says you are in the real world?
The appeal to numbers. This shows again that you are not in touch with the way reality works.
More people do NOT believe in your god. So what?
The reason I am more in touch with reality is that all my beliefs chime with evidence, and the scientific findings.
Yours do not, and that sets you adrift in delusion.
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BA
Along with billions of others - so who says you are in the real world?
The appeal to numbers. This shows again that you are not in touch with the way reality works.
More people do NOT believe in your god. So what?
The reason I am more in touch with reality is that all my beliefs chime with evidence, and the scientific findings.
Yours do not, and that sets you adrift in delusion.
I repeat: who says you are in touch with reality, expect in your own prejudices?
When billions follow the same understandings, then numbers do have meaning. You are arrogantly saying, "millions disagree with me, but I'm right, no argument."
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BA
Along with billions of others - so who says you are in the real world?
The appeal to numbers. This shows again that you are not in touch with the way reality works.
More people do NOT believe in your god. So what?
The reason I am more in touch with reality is that all my beliefs chime with evidence, and the scientific findings.
Yours do not, and that sets you adrift in delusion.
I repeat: who says you are in touch with reality, expect in your own prejudices?
When billions follow the same understandings, then numbers do have meaning. You are arrogantly saying, "millions disagree with me, but I'm right, no argument."
What shows you are correct or likely correct is not number of equally deluded believers, but EVIDENCE.
The scientific method gives us the best chance to discover what is most likely true.
You just believe stuff because you like it, not because the evidence for it is compelling. If it was you would not need faith.
No one should ever have faith in anything. It simply is the excuse people give to themselves to believe stuff for which there is no good evidence.
Don't do it. You will probably be wrong!
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What a silly post. No mention of any knowledge or expertise in religion or religious studies, which is what is under discussion here.
You're a student of divinities - what idea have you of 'knowledge', everything in your field is belief.
In my experience, scientists don't live anywhere else but in the clouds; and why being in engineering or mathematics gives you any insight into the reality of religion is beyond me.
It doesn't, it gives me an insight into reality, which is why I see that religion is a farce.
I have probably worked longer than you and mixed in all areas of society, and from what I see of yours, and others', posts on here, I have a far greater grasp of reality than you could ever boast.
I have no idea how long you've been working - I suspect I'm towards the lower end of the age spectrum here, so it's likely you have been working longer, yes. You may even have met a broader range of people than I.
The idea that you think you have any sort of grasp of reality, yet you deny that evolution happens (in part because you fail to distinguish between the phenomenon and the theory that we currently accept is the best explanation of what causes it) suggest that you wouldn't recognise reality if it manfiested itself as its own son and sacrificed itself to itself to atone for its own errors...
O.
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BA
Along with billions of others - so who says you are in the real world?
The appeal to numbers. This shows again that you are not in touch with the way reality works.
More people do NOT believe in your god. So what?
The reason I am more in touch with reality is that all my beliefs chime with evidence, and the scientific findings.
Yours do not, and that sets you adrift in delusion.
I repeat: who says you are in touch with reality, expect in your own prejudices?
When billions follow the same understandings, then numbers do have meaning. You are arrogantly saying, "millions disagree with me, but I'm right, no argument."
What shows you are correct or likely correct is not number of equally deluded believers, but EVIDENCE.
The scientific method gives us the best chance to discover what is most likely true.
You just believe stuff because you like it, not because the evidence for it is compelling. If it was you would not need faith.
No one should ever have faith in anything. It simply is the excuse people give to themselves to believe stuff for which there is no good evidence.
Don't do it. You will probably be wrong!
There is evidence for my beliefs - the existence of the Gospels being the most significant. You, apparently, dismiss them as some kind of giant hoax! There is also historical comment that is evidence, without going into the same old list of names, which, in your high degree of learning, you are well aware.
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What a silly post. No mention of any knowledge or expertise in religion or religious studies, which is what is under discussion here.
You're a student of divinities - what idea have you of 'knowledge', everything in your field is belief.
In my experience, scientists don't live anywhere else but in the clouds; and why being in engineering or mathematics gives you any insight into the reality of religion is beyond me.
It doesn't, it gives me an insight into reality, which is why I see that religion is a farce.
I have probably worked longer than you and mixed in all areas of society, and from what I see of yours, and others', posts on here, I have a far greater grasp of reality than you could ever boast.
I have no idea how long you've been working - I suspect I'm towards the lower end of the age spectrum here, so it's likely you have been working longer, yes. You may even have met a broader range of people than I.
The idea that you think you have any sort of grasp of reality, yet you deny that evolution happens (in part because you fail to distinguish between the phenomenon and the theory that we currently accept is the best explanation of what causes it) suggest that you wouldn't recognise reality if it manfiested itself as its own son and sacrificed itself to itself to atone for its own errors...
O.
What!! What!! Who says I deny evolution? I do not. Please quote something I have said which suggests such a stance, Do not avoid this request.
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BA
There is evidence for my beliefs - the existence of the Gospels being the most significant. You, apparently, dismiss them as some kind of giant hoax! There is also historical comment that is evidence, without going into the same old list of names, which, in your high degree of learning, you are well aware.
This is evidence that people wrote down some stuff they believed.
It is NOT evidence that the events are actually true.
Also as pointed out, you do not believe in evolution which is almost (as certain as we can be at the moment) TRUE.
Also, actual evolution DOES take place and is seen all the time. The theory (the highest pinnacle of any scientific endeavour) explains the phenomenon.
You though do not believe either.
Please do not ever think you are in touch with reality.
In fact you are better described as a reality denier.
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BA
There is evidence for my beliefs - the existence of the Gospels being the most significant. You, apparently, dismiss them as some kind of giant hoax! There is also historical comment that is evidence, without going into the same old list of names, which, in your high degree of learning, you are well aware.
This is evidence that people wrote down some stuff they believed.
It is NOT evidence that the events are actually true.
Also as pointed out, you do not believe in evolution which is almost (as certain as we can be at the moment) TRUE.
Also, actual evolution DOES take place and is seen all the time. The theory (the highest pinnacle of any scientific endeavour) explains the phenomenon.
You though do not believe either.
Please do not ever think you are in touch with reality.
In fact you are better described as a reality denier.
Please read M43. I invite you to quote anything I've said that suggests I do not believe in evolution.. I do believe it. Either quote where I have said otherwise, or apologise for misrepresenting me. Do not ignore, or avoid, this request.
As for your feeble assertion that people are simply making up what they wrote, on that silly proposition, almost all ancient history can be doubted as being untrue: and a good deal of more recent history, too.
Further, both yours and Outriders wrongful misrepresentation of me says little for your grasp on reality, nor for your veracity.
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BA
There is evidence for my beliefs - the existence of the Gospels being the most significant. You, apparently, dismiss them as some kind of giant hoax! There is also historical comment that is evidence, without going into the same old list of names, which, in your high degree of learning, you are well aware.
This is evidence that people wrote down some stuff they believed.
It is NOT evidence that the events are actually true.
Also as pointed out, you do not believe in evolution which is almost (as certain as we can be at the moment) TRUE.
Also, actual evolution DOES take place and is seen all the time. The theory (the highest pinnacle of any scientific endeavour) explains the phenomenon.
You though do not believe either.
Please do not ever think you are in touch with reality.
In fact you are better described as a reality denier.
Please read M43. I invite you to quote anything I've said that suggests I do not believe in evolution.. I do believe it. Either quote where I have said otherwise, or apologise for misrepresenting me. Do not ignore, or avoid, avoid this request.
As for your feeble assertion that people are simply making up what they wrote, on that silly proposition, almost all ancient history can be doubted as being untrue: and a good deal of more recent history, too.
My mistake I had you mixed up with someone else that does not believe evolution.
But the gospels are NOT evidence for a god.
They ARE evidence that people believed in a god. There is a massive difference.
People do and have believed in thousands of gods, and there is written documentation of them.
Why do not follow these other accounts.
The reason is simple, you just happen to have been born and brought up in a community that has been largely Christian. That's all there is to it.
If you were born in a different age or a different place you religion would probably be different.
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What a silly post. No mention of any knowledge or expertise in religion or religious studies, which is what is under discussion here.
You're a student of divinities - what idea have you of 'knowledge', everything in your field is belief.
In my experience, scientists don't live anywhere else but in the clouds; and why being in engineering or mathematics gives you any insight into the reality of religion is beyond me.
It doesn't, it gives me an insight into reality, which is why I see that religion is a farce.
I have probably worked longer than you and mixed in all areas of society, and from what I see of yours, and others', posts on here, I have a far greater grasp of reality than you could ever boast.
I have no idea how long you've been working - I suspect I'm towards the lower end of the age spectrum here, so it's likely you have been working longer, yes. You may even have met a broader range of people than I.
The idea that you think you have any sort of grasp of reality, yet you deny that evolution happens (in part because you fail to distinguish between the phenomenon and the theory that we currently accept is the best explanation of what causes it) suggest that you wouldn't recognise reality if it manfiested itself as its own son and sacrificed itself to itself to atone for its own errors...
O.
What!! What!! Who says I deny evolution? I do not. Please quote something I have said which suggests such a stance, Do not avoid this request.
Apologies, that's entirely my error, I've confused you with someone else - absolutely my mistake on that.
O.
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BR and O
BA is only picking up on the "evolution" thing because it is the only thing on which he can question you, because he knows that the rest of your postings here are correct.
I also think he has a gigantic nerve tell you two not to be evasive when his if the King (and Queen) of evasion, one of the many reasons I have given up "talking to him".
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BR and O
BA is only picking up on the "evolution" thing because it is the only thing on which he can question you, because he knows that the rest of your postings here are correct.
No, it's not, to be fair. For people to claim that evolution isn't true is stupidity of the highest order, so to accuse someone of it unfairly is simply not on. I'd like to hold myself to a higher standard than that. Whether the rest of the post was spot on or not, that was out of line.
O.
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Nicely put BR pity it will fall on deaf ears and rigid minds although hardly a surprise considering that some would have to give up believing what keeps them for the want of a better word ... sane(ish).
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BR and O
BA is only picking up on the "evolution" thing because it is the only thing on which he can question you, because he knows that the rest of your postings here are correct.
I also think he has a gigantic nerve tell you two not to be evasive when his if the King (and Queen) of evasion, one of the many reasons I have given up "talking to him".
"Talking about" is hypocritical, and cowardly. I suggest you leave me alone, totally - please!!
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BR, Outrider: thank you for your generous apologies.
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BR and O
BA is only picking up on the "evolution" thing because it is the only thing on which he can question you, because he knows that the rest of your postings here are correct.
I also think he has a gigantic nerve tell you two not to be evasive when his if the King (and Queen) of evasion, one of the many reasons I have given up "talking to him".
"Talking about" is hypocritical, and cowardly. I suggest you leave me alone, totally - please!!
No way! For you to call anyone "hypocrite" has no value - it has been your answer to just about any criticism for as long as I have been on this forum.
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BR and O
BA is only picking up on the "evolution" thing because it is the only thing on which he can question you, because he knows that the rest of your postings here are correct.
I also think he has a gigantic nerve tell you two not to be evasive when his if the King (and Queen) of evasion, one of the many reasons I have given up "talking to him".
"Talking about" is hypocritical, and cowardly. I suggest you leave me alone, totally - please!!
No way! For you to call anyone "hypocrite" has no value - it has been your answer to just about any criticism for as long as I have been on this forum.
I repeat: "Talking about" is hypocritical, and cowardly. I suggest you leave me alone, totally - please!!
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BR and O
BA is only picking up on the "evolution" thing because it is the only thing on which he can question you, because he knows that the rest of your postings here are correct.
I also think he has a gigantic nerve tell you two not to be evasive when his if the King (and Queen) of evasion, one of the many reasons I have given up "talking to him".
"Talking about" is hypocritical, and cowardly. I suggest you leave me alone, totally - please!!
No way! For you to call anyone "hypocrite" has no value - it has been your answer to just about any criticism for as long as I have been on this forum.
I repeat: "Talking about" is hypocritical, and cowardly. I suggest you leave me alone, totally - please!!
Why should I? You have spent months taking the piss out of my beliefs, my English, my education, and now you expect ME to leavr YOU alone? Just because you have said please?
No, my dear little hypocrite, I will leave you alone when I am good and ready and not before. Jusy as you would do if I asked the same of you.
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BR and O
BA is only picking up on the "evolution" thing because it is the only thing on which he can question you, because he knows that the rest of your postings here are correct.
I also think he has a gigantic nerve tell you two not to be evasive when his if the King (and Queen) of evasion, one of the many reasons I have given up "talking to him".
"Talking about" is hypocritical, and cowardly. I suggest you leave me alone, totally - please!!
No way! For you to call anyone "hypocrite" has no value - it has been your answer to just about any criticism for as long as I have been on this forum.
I repeat: "Talking about" is hypocritical, and cowardly. I suggest you leave me alone, totally - please!!
Why should I? You have spent months taking the piss out of my beliefs, my English, my education, and now you expect ME to leavr YOU alone? Just because you have said please?
No, my dear little hypocrite, I will leave you alone when I am good and ready and not before. Jusy as you would do if I asked the same of you.
What ever you are calling yourself now, kindly note the following"
"I really cannot be bothered with you any further." posted on October 21st. Also, see above: "one of the many reasons I have given up talking to him." Seems one hand doesn't know what the other is doing! ;D
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Some posts, especially those of a technical or very involved nature, are very clearly the product of googling.
Except that, with your grasp of some of the 'technical' subjects, what you think is the product of googling is in fact just a facet of the fact that some of us spent part of our lives going out and actually learning stuff.
O.
Nice one! :)
I studied Divinity as my main subject; I taught it as my main subject all my working life; I have lived and moved in the world, especially in the religious community, all my life; so don't come that gumpf with me. I have more experience and knowledge of religion than you've dreamed of.
How sad, let alone boring.
Perhaps too much of that religo stuff has made you a bit depressed? You said that you were not feeling that well at the moment in one of your earlier posts on this thread.
ippy
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Some posts, especially those of a technical or very involved nature, are very clearly the product of googling.
Except that, with your grasp of some of the 'technical' subjects, what you think is the product of googling is in fact just a facet of the fact that some of us spent part of our lives going out and actually learning stuff.
O.
Nice one! :)
I studied Divinity as my main subject; I taught it as my main subject all my working life; I have lived and moved in the world, especially in the religious community, all my life; so don't come that gumpf with me. I have more experience and knowledge of religion than you've dreamed of.
How sad, let alone boring.
Perhaps too much of that religo stuff has made you a bit depressed? You said that you were not feeling that well at the moment in one of your earlier posts on this thread.
ippy
Good old Ippy and his ''If me and blokes like me find something boring then everybody should......'' schtick.
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Some posts, especially those of a technical or very involved nature, are very clearly the product of googling.
Except that, with your grasp of some of the 'technical' subjects, what you think is the product of googling is in fact just a facet of the fact that some of us spent part of our lives going out and actually learning stuff.
O.
Nice one! :)
I studied Divinity as my main subject; I taught it as my main subject all my working life; I have lived and moved in the world, especially in the religious community, all my life; so don't come that gumpf with me. I have more experience and knowledge of religion than you've dreamed of.
How sad, let alone boring.
Perhaps too much of that religo stuff has made you a bit depressed? You said that you were not feeling that well at the moment in one of your earlier posts on this thread.
ippy
Good old Ippy and his ''If me and blokes like me find something boring then everybody should......'' schtick.
I suppose if it were possible to come back from the dead, that could be a tad interesting.
ippy