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Religion and Ethics Discussion => Christian Topic => Topic started by: NicholasMarks on November 11, 2015, 11:42:02 AM
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Resurrection
When we realise that all the material and all the laws controlling that material in the universe stem from a single, invisible, indestructible, superabundant property, we can begin restructuring our scientific knowledge to bring a complete picture of all universal knowledge together. This is where Almighty God resides then, in the very midst of that picture wielding all the mechanics that science tries to piece together but fail miserably because they deny God.
Resurrection then, is a skill that is only achievable by following some very special laws carved out of that knowledge…Laws that are embedded in a science that Almighty God calls ‘Righteousness’.
Jesus Christ followed those laws to the absolute, highest degree, and was able to show us the absolute power of them.
We can all be resurrected to a new righteous vessel in new righteous circumstances if we follow Jesus’ righteous path accurately…No other path has the same intensity of truth, even though some faiths are much closer than others...we must all try harder.
There is only one absolute truth and we each have access to it.
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Resurrection
When we realise that all the material and all the laws controlling that material in the universe stem from a single, invisible, indestructible, superabundant property, we can begin restructuring our scientific knowledge to bring a complete picture of all universal knowledge together. This is where Almighty God resides then, in the very midst of that picture wielding all the mechanics that science tries to piece together but fail miserably because they deny God.
Resurrection then, is a skill that is only achievable by following some very special laws carved out of that knowledge…Laws that are embedded in a science that Almighty God calls ‘Righteousness’.
Jesus Christ followed those laws to the absolute, highest degree, and was able to show us the absolute power of them.
We can all be resurrected to a new righteous vessel in new righteous circumstances if we follow Jesus’ righteous path accurately…No other path has the same intensity of truth, even though some faiths are much closer than others...we must all try harder.
There is only one absolute truth and we each have access to it.
Did they let you out or have you escaped NM?
ippy
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Nobody uses "righteous" the way you do. Welcome back.
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Resurrection
When we realise that all the material and all the laws controlling that material in the universe stem from a single, invisible, indestructible, superabundant property, we can begin restructuring our scientific knowledge to bring a complete picture of all universal knowledge together. This is where Almighty God resides then, in the very midst of that picture wielding all the mechanics that science tries to piece together but fail miserably because they deny God.
Resurrection then, is a skill that is only achievable by following some very special laws carved out of that knowledge…Laws that are embedded in a science that Almighty God calls ‘Righteousness’.
Jesus Christ followed those laws to the absolute, highest degree, and was able to show us the absolute power of them.
We can all be resurrected to a new righteous vessel in new righteous circumstances if we follow Jesus’ righteous path accurately…No other path has the same intensity of truth, even though some faiths are much closer than others...we must all try harder.
There is only one absolute truth and we each have access to it.
NM there is no proof to back up your less than credible statement! ::)
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Resurrection
When we realise that all the material and all the laws controlling that material in the universe stem from a single, invisible, indestructible, superabundant property, we can begin restructuring our scientific knowledge to bring a complete picture of all universal knowledge together. This is where Almighty God resides then, in the very midst of that picture wielding all the mechanics that science tries to piece together but fail miserably because they deny God.
Resurrection then, is a skill that is only achievable by following some very special laws carved out of that knowledge…Laws that are embedded in a science that Almighty God calls ‘Righteousness’.
Jesus Christ followed those laws to the absolute, highest degree, and was able to show us the absolute power of them.
We can all be resurrected to a new righteous vessel in new righteous circumstances if we follow Jesus’ righteous path accurately…No other path has the same intensity of truth, even though some faiths are much closer than others...we must all try harder.
There is only one absolute truth and we each have access to it.
Did they let you out or have you escaped NM?
ippy
Now, now ippy, it is good to have NM back. Like Alan Burns he takes all the stick his posts richly deserve without retaliation, so for that should have a pat on the back! :) One or two of the other 'Christian' posters should take a leaf out of his book!
BTW NM can one enquire as to why you have been away from the forum for so long?
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Resurrection
When we realise that all the material and all the laws controlling that material in the universe stem from a single, invisible, indestructible, superabundant property, we can begin restructuring our scientific knowledge to bring a complete picture of all universal knowledge together. This is where Almighty God resides then, in the very midst of that picture wielding all the mechanics that science tries to piece together but fail miserably because they deny God.
Resurrection then, is a skill that is only achievable by following some very special laws carved out of that knowledge…Laws that are embedded in a science that Almighty God calls ‘Righteousness’.
Jesus Christ followed those laws to the absolute, highest degree, and was able to show us the absolute power of them.
We can all be resurrected to a new righteous vessel in new righteous circumstances if we follow Jesus’ righteous path accurately…No other path has the same intensity of truth, even though some faiths are much closer than others...we must all try harder.
There is only one absolute truth and we each have access to it.
Did they let you out or have you escaped NM?
ippy
Now, now ippy, it is good to have NM back. Like Alan Burns he takes all the stick his posts richly deserve without retaliation, so for that should have a pat on the back! :) One or two of the other 'Christian' posters should take a leaf out of his book!
BTW NM can one enquire as to why you have been away from the forum for so long?
Sorry Aunti Floo. :) :)
ippy
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Resurrection
When we realise that all the material and all the laws controlling that material in the universe stem from a single, invisible, indestructible, superabundant property, we can begin restructuring our scientific knowledge to bring a complete picture of all universal knowledge together. This is where Almighty God resides then, in the very midst of that picture wielding all the mechanics that science tries to piece together but fail miserably because they deny God.
Resurrection then, is a skill that is only achievable by following some very special laws carved out of that knowledge…Laws that are embedded in a science that Almighty God calls ‘Righteousness’.
Jesus Christ followed those laws to the absolute, highest degree, and was able to show us the absolute power of them.
We can all be resurrected to a new righteous vessel in new righteous circumstances if we follow Jesus’ righteous path accurately…No other path has the same intensity of truth, even though some faiths are much closer than others...we must all try harder.
There is only one absolute truth and we each have access to it.
Did they let you out or have you escaped NM?
ippy
Now, now ippy, it is good to have NM back. Like Alan Burns he takes all the stick his posts richly deserve without retaliation, so for that should have a pat on the back! :) One or two of the other 'Christian' posters should take a leaf out of his book!
BTW NM can one enquire as to why you have been away from the forum for so long?
Sorry Aunti Floo. :) :)
ippy
I should think so too, you naughty boy! ;D ;D ;D
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ippy, Harrowby Hall, Floo:
Resurrection here, isn't an, 'I don't believe, so I wont bother' science, or a 'make believe' science. It is the product of a deep analysis of the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
So ok...it doesn't appeal to everyone. For whatever reason they are separating themselves from Almighty God and his sciences but when WW3 comes many who now condemn him will be begging him to intercede and resurrection will be our only hope...more accessible to the 'poor in spirit' than the 'lofty in abrasiveness'.
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ippy, Harrowby Hall, Floo:
Resurrection here, isn't an, 'I don't believe, so I wont bother' science, or a 'make believe' science. It is the product of a deep analysis of the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
So ok...it doesn't appeal to everyone. For whatever reason they are separating themselves from Almighty God and his sciences but when WW3 comes many who now condemn him will be begging him to intercede and resurrection will be our only hope...more accessible to the 'poor in spirit' than the 'lofty in abrasiveness'.
Oh dear! ::)
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ippy, Harrowby Hall, Floo:
Resurrection here, isn't an, 'I don't believe, so I wont bother' science, or a 'make believe' science. It is the product of a deep analysis of the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
So ok...it doesn't appeal to everyone. For whatever reason they are separating themselves from Almighty God and his sciences but when WW3 comes many who now condemn him will be begging him to intercede and resurrection will be our only hope...more accessible to the 'poor in spirit' than the 'lofty in abrasiveness'.
NM how do I seperate myself from something, anything that's not there in the first place, you believe in this god thing of yours but like anyone else you don't and can't know if there is any such thing.
There's a vast difference from there actually being something there and believing that there's something there.
ippy
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Resurrection
When we realise that all the material and all the laws controlling that material in the universe stem from a single, invisible, indestructible, superabundant property, we can begin restructuring our scientific knowledge to bring a complete picture of all universal knowledge together.
The standard model of particle physics suggests, currently, that the material and laws of the material in the universe comprise 6 fundamental particles called quarks, 6 fundamental particles called leptons, and five force-exchanging particles called bosons. If you have an advance on this model that resolves all of these into a single substance then I'd recommend that you publish your findings and pick up your Nobel prize. On the other hand, if you're just trying to cram pseudo-scientific nonsense into your interpretation of the Big Boy's Book of Jewish Bedtime Stories exactly the same way you were when you posted pretty much this exact drivel the last time, why bother?
This is where Almighty God resides then, in the very midst of that picture wielding all the mechanics that science tries to piece together but fail miserably because they deny God.
Are Marduk and Tiamat living with him, because, if I'm honest, Yahweh's a bit over-exposed these days, it's a saturated market. He needs to slip out of the limelight a little, maybe work on a third (fourth? fifth?) book and come back with something fresh.
Resurrection then, is a skill that is only achievable by following some very special laws carved out of that knowledge…
I think you're confusing 'religion' with 'playing the guitar'.
Laws that are embedded in a science that Almighty God calls ‘Righteousness’.
That wasn't God, that was Bill and Ted, wasn't it?
Jesus Christ followed those laws to the absolute, highest degree, and was able to show us the absolute power of them.
He wasn't in the film, it was Beethoven, Lincoln, Joan of Arc, Genghis Khan and two generically European medieval princesses with curiously 20th century accents.
We can all be resurrected to a new righteous vessel in new righteous circumstances if we follow Jesus’ righteous path accurately…
That AssertotronTM's really getting a work-out today, isn't it. Why stop at just 'resurrection', Islam's offering to throw in sexually-pure raisins... or something...
No other path has the same intensity of truth, even though some faiths are much closer than others...we must all try harder.
What unit is 'truth' measured in - by intensity do you mean a density per cubic metre, or is this a per square metre thing like pressure?
There is only one absolute truth and we each have access to it.
The may or may not be an absolute truth, but our subjective capacity to interact with reality means that at best we'll only ever have a provisional understanding of it. On the balance of this post, I'd say your understanding stretches the concept of provisional way, way, way past breaking point.
O.
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... and that, folks, is the way to do it (if you have the time and the patience, both in short supply in my case).
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... and that, folks, is the way to do it (if you have the time and the patience, both in short supply in my case).
True, but he looses points for missing out Billy the Kid, Socrates, Sigmund Freud and Napoleon... oh, and it was princess babes...
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... and that, folks, is the way to do it (if you have the time and the patience, both in short supply in my case).
True, but he looses points for missing out Billy the Kid, Socrates, Sigmund Freud and Napoleon... oh, and it was princess babes...
Spoilers!!! And babes, of course, is a subjective assessment.
O.
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Resurrection
When we realise that all the material and all the laws controlling that material in the universe stem from a single, invisible, indestructible, superabundant property, we can begin restructuring our scientific knowledge to bring a complete picture of all universal knowledge together. This is where Almighty God resides then, in the very midst of that picture wielding all the mechanics that science tries to piece together but fail miserably because they deny God.
Resurrection then, is a skill that is only achievable by following some very special laws carved out of that knowledge…Laws that are embedded in a science that Almighty God calls ‘Righteousness’.
Jesus Christ followed those laws to the absolute, highest degree, and was able to show us the absolute power of them.
We can all be resurrected to a new righteous vessel in new righteous circumstances if we follow Jesus’ righteous path accurately…No other path has the same intensity of truth, even though some faiths are much closer than others...we must all try harder.
There is only one absolute truth and we each have access to it.
Did they let you out or have you escaped NM?
ippy
Now, now ippy, it is good to have NM back. Like Alan Burns he takes all the stick his posts richly deserve without retaliation, so for that should have a pat on the back! :) One or two of the other 'Christian' posters should take a leaf out of his book!
BTW NM can one enquire as to why you have been away from the forum for so long?
Sorry Aunti Floo. :) :)
ippy
Why should anyone take any "stick," especially from the religiously illiterate on here?
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Because when you post on a forum, by definition you invite replies. That's what they're for.
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ippy, Harrowby Hall, Floo:
Resurrection here, isn't an, 'I don't believe, so I wont bother' science, or a 'make believe' science. It is the product of a deep analysis of the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
So ok...it doesn't appeal to everyone. For whatever reason they are separating themselves from Almighty God and his sciences but when WW3 comes many who now condemn him will be begging him to intercede and resurrection will be our only hope...more accessible to the 'poor in spirit' than the 'lofty in abrasiveness'.
NM how do I seperate myself from something, anything that's not there in the first place, you believe in this god thing of yours but like anyone else you don't and can't know if there is any such thing.
There's a vast difference from there actually being something there and believing that there's something there.
ippy
Is it not possible for you to refer God in less disrespectful terms, whatever your views? It is so immature, it really is!
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Is it not possible for you to refer God in less disrespectful terms, whatever your views? It is so immature, it really is!
Respect has to be earned, and the deity depicted in Abrahamic myth is not worthy of it. Concepts like blood-sacrifice, slavery, homophobia, misogyny, inherited guilt and the like, coupled with the story of a vengeful, blood-thirsty, capricious deity do not command respect.
O.
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Resurrection
When we realise that all the material and all the laws controlling that material in the universe stem from a single, invisible, indestructible, superabundant property, we can begin restructuring our scientific knowledge to bring a complete picture of all universal knowledge together. This is where Almighty God resides then, in the very midst of that picture wielding all the mechanics that science tries to piece together but fail miserably because they deny God.
Resurrection then, is a skill that is only achievable by following some very special laws carved out of that knowledge…Laws that are embedded in a science that Almighty God calls ‘Righteousness’.
Jesus Christ followed those laws to the absolute, highest degree, and was able to show us the absolute power of them.
We can all be resurrected to a new righteous vessel in new righteous circumstances if we follow Jesus’ righteous path accurately…No other path has the same intensity of truth, even though some faiths are much closer than others...we must all try harder.
There is only one absolute truth and we each have access to it.
Did they let you out or have you escaped NM?
ippy
Now, now ippy, it is good to have NM back. Like Alan Burns he takes all the stick his posts richly deserve without retaliation, so for that should have a pat on the back! :) One or two of the other 'Christian' posters should take a leaf out of his book!
BTW NM can one enquire as to why you have been away from the forum for so long?
Sorry Aunti Floo. :) :)
ippy
Why should anyone take any "stick," especially from the religiously illiterate on here?
Toys, pram B A, what's the prob?
ippy
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Because when you post on a forum, by definition you invite replies. That's what they're for.
If only you could learn the difference between replying and abusing.
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Is it not possible for you to refer God in less disrespectful terms, whatever your views? It is so immature, it really is!
Respect has to be earned, and the deity depicted in Abrahamic myth is not worthy of it. Concepts like blood-sacrifice, slavery, homophobia, misogyny, inherited guilt and the like, coupled with the story of a vengeful, blood-thirsty, capricious deity do not command respect.
O.
The deity featured in the Bible is an evil so and so if what is attributed to it has any validity. Therefore it doesn't deserve the tiniest bit of respect!
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Because when you post on a forum, by definition you invite replies. That's what they're for.
If only you could learn the difference between replying and abusing.
If only you could wrap your brain around the fact that your yardstick for 'abuse' may be your own, but nobody else is expected to kowtow to it.
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Is it not possible for you to refer God in less disrespectful terms, whatever your views? It is so immature, it really is!
Respect has to be earned, and the deity depicted in Abrahamic myth is not worthy of it. Concepts like blood-sacrifice, slavery, homophobia, misogyny, inherited guilt and the like, coupled with the story of a vengeful, blood-thirsty, capricious deity do not command respect.
O.
The deity featured in the Bible is an evil so and so if what is attributed to it has any validity. Therefore it doesn't deserve the tiniest bit of respect!
Why don't you try and say something other than the banal clap-trap you spout every day, eh?
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As a matter of interest, what do you, BA and NM, know, really know, objectively and true-for-all, about God? I refer here to the Christian God, not any of the others that have been invented.
NM's posts make no sense to me :) but the idea of resurrection is a 100% non-starter!
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As a matter of interest, what do you, BA and NM, know, really know, objectively and true-for-all, about God? I refer here to the Christian God, not any of the others that have been invented.
NM's posts make no sense to me :) but the idea of resurrection is a 100% non-starter!
We are mere humans, SusanDoris, and it is absurdly pretentious to think we know for certainty anything about God: but I can only take on board what Jesus has said.
By the way, I fully understand that you cannot understand NS: it is common to many. :D
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As a matter of interest, what do you, BA and NM, know, really know, objectively and true-for-all, about God? I refer here to the Christian God, not any of the others that have been invented.
NM's posts make no sense to me :) but the idea of resurrection is a 100% non-starter!
NM's posts aren't very comprehensible that is true. However, NM doesn't make unpleasant personal comments when we disagree with him unlike another 'Christian' poster who invariably makes crass rude comments. They don't appear to be able to put their POV over in a coherent way, possibly because they are intellectually impaired in some way.
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Resurrection then, is a skill that is only achievable by following some very special laws carved out of that knowledge…Laws that are embedded in a science that Almighty God calls ‘Righteousness’.
Not sure that I'd describe resurrection as a 'skill', NM. Rather I'd call it a gift of grace.
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We are mere humans, SusanDoris, and it is absurdly pretentious to think we know for certainty anything about God
Including its existence?
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NM there is no proof to back up your less than credible statement! ::)
So, that means that you and NM share something in common - holding beliefs that have no scientifically testable evidence, Floo.
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As a matter of interest, what do you, BA and NM, know, really know, objectively and true-for-all, about God? I refer here to the Christian God, not any of the others that have been invented.
NM's posts make no sense to me :) but the idea of resurrection is a 100% non-starter!
No, I've never been able to figure out a word that NickMarks says, but I like reading some of it as a way of letting my brain go off the grid for a bit. I'm glad he's back.
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As a matter of interest, what do you, BA and NM, know, really know, objectively and true-for-all, about God? I refer here to the Christian God, not any of the others that have been invented.
NM's posts make no sense to me :) but the idea of resurrection is a 100% non-starter!
That simply means you have no interest in Biblical truth Susan. What it means to me is that on top of man's modern science is a continuation that unifies all science and it is this science that Jesus was teaching us. If you don"t think that an advanced science can relieve us of all our ailments then why do we contribute so much of out resources to their coffers??
If a star can emit energy for billions of years why can"t we harness some of that raw energy and live just as long?? Jesus Christ says we can.
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That AssertotronTM's really getting a work-out today, isn't it. Why stop at just 'resurrection', Islam's offering to throw in sexually-pure raisins... or something...
Why stop at religion, O? If one was able to look through the whole archive of this board, we would find that every single post on the topic of religious and non-religious beliefs would be nothing more than assertions with zero scientically-provable evidence to support them.
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NM there is no proof to back up your less than credible statement! ::)
So, that means that you and NM share something in common - holding beliefs that have no scientifically testable evidence, Floo.
Well you can't scientifically prove Jesus resurrected can you, so you are making a claim with no scientifically testable evidence, aren't you?
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As a matter of interest, what do you, BA and NM, know, really know, objectively and true-for-all, about God? I refer here to the Christian God, not any of the others that have been invented.
NM's posts make no sense to me :) but the idea of resurrection is a 100% non-starter!
That simply means you have no interest in Biblical truth Susan. What it means to me is that on top of man"s modern science is a continuation that unifies all science and it is this science that Jesus was teaching us. If you don"t think that an advanced science can relieve us of all our ailments then why do we contribute so much of out resources to their coffers??
If a star can emit energy for billions of years wh can"t we harness some of that raw energy and live just as long...Jesus Christ says we can.
There is NOTHING scientific about the less than credible claims in the Bible like the resurrection!
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That AssertotronTM's really getting a work-out today, isn't it. Why stop at just 'resurrection', Islam's offering to throw in sexually-pure raisins... or something...
Why stop at religion, O? If one was able to look through the whole archive of this board, we would find that every single post on the topic of religious and non-religious beliefs would be nothing more than assertions with zero scientically-provable evidence to support them.
Still haven't quite grasped that whole 'burden of proof' concept, have you Hope? You make the claim, we remain skeptical until and unless you can back your claim with a methodology: logic, scientific enquiry, mathematics... choose whatever methodology you like, accept any inherent limitations with it, and crack on.
Science does not prove negatives - indeed it's difficult in most cases to disprove a negative via any means. All claims remain mere assertions until and unless you can back them with something.
O.
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That AssertotronTM's really getting a work-out today, isn't it. Why stop at just 'resurrection', Islam's offering to throw in sexually-pure raisins... or something...
Why stop at religion, O? If one was able to look through the whole archive of this board, we would find that every single post on the topic of religious and non-religious beliefs would be nothing more than assertions with zero scientically-provable evidence to support them.
Still haven't quite grasped that whole 'burden of proof' concept, have you Hope? You make the claim, we remain skeptical until and unless you can back your claim with a methodology: logic, scientific enquiry, mathematics... choose whatever methodology you like, accept any inherent limitations with it, and crack on.
Science does not prove negatives - indeed it's difficult in most cases to disprove a negative via any means. All claims remain mere assertions until and unless you can back them with something.
O.
He's been on about this for years and he thinks he has proof that god exists and he also thinks he has presented this proof on this forum, never mind not one member has said that they have seen the said evidence.
I'm not sure where you stand on this but; I don't believe there are any gods, belief doesn't come into it, it's just that I have no reason to even consider anything about this idea some people have about gods, I'm just an ordinary person; Hope is totally unable to get this and it looks like he never has or will be able to get it.
I suppose there will always be those that are totally indoctrinated with all sorts of ideas.
ippy
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Nice to see you alive and kicking, NM. I greet your return to these boards with some anticipation that your posts will lead to some entertaining responses. I quite enjoy at times being underwhelmed by your ideas.
Perhaps you may include in your signature:
ASSERTIONS'R'ME
Just a thought. ;) :)
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enki, SusanDorit, Floo, ippy, Outrider, Hope, Riannon, BashfulAnthony, Shaker:
I'm pleased to be back too. There is no satisfaction in being a Christian and not trying to save some from the inevitable alternative called Hades.
I have all the proof I need, it is just your misfortune if I don't make the points clearly...perhaps a Bible study might help.
Jesus was teaching us science...but it is centred around mankind rather than greed and wealth...It is centred around an All Knowing God, rather than accidental nature, and it is centred around the power of resurrection rather than the sloppy and abusive laws of spirit-craft.
Follow science and achieve everlasting life because, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ we know it is all possible.
Faith is required because it is all far to complicated for us but that faith is supplied by Biblical study.
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enki, SusanDorit, Floo, ippy, Outrider, Hope, Riannon, BashfulAnthony, Shaker:
I'm pleased to be back too. There is no satisfaction in being a Christian and not trying to save some from the inevitable alternative called Hades.
I have all the proof I need, it is just your misfortune if I don't make the points clearly...perhaps a Bible study might help.
Jesus was teaching us science...but it is centred around mankind rather than greed and wealth...It is centred around an All Knowing God, rather than accidental nature, and it is centred around the power of resurrection rather than the sloppy and abusive laws of spirit-craft.
Follow science and achieve everlasting life because, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ we know it is all possible.
Faith is required because it is all far to complicated for us but that faith is supplied by Biblical study.
But NM you have no proof any deity, let alone an afterlife, exists. It is all assumption, on your part.
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We are mere humans, SusanDoris, and it is absurdly pretentious to think we know for certainty anything about God
Including its existence?
I believe in His existence because I accept what Jesus taught. As to knowing Him: I wouldn't assume such arrogance.
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I believe in His existence because I accept what Jesus taught.
Why?
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enki, SusanDorit, Floo, ippy, Outrider, Hope, Riannon, BashfulAnthony, Shaker:
I'm pleased to be back too. There is no satisfaction in being a Christian and not trying to save some from the inevitable alternative called Hades.
Isn't Hades the Greek underworld? You're not holding truck with pagan gods, surely!?!?!
I have all the proof I need, it is just your misfortune if I don't make the points clearly...perhaps a Bible study might help.
Given that I can't see very many clear links between what you say and what's written in the Bible, I suspect it won't help very much at all. I'm glad that you think you have proof - is this proof in a format that you can communicate to other people, or is this the sort of proof that's conveniently only available inside your head via 'personal revelation/really, really wanting it to be true'?
Jesus was teaching us science...but it is centred around mankind rather than greed and wealth...
No. Science is a methodology for examining the world around us to determine the mechanics of reality. Jesus was teaching us a philosophy, at least as he's depicted in the New Testament, of (broadly) tolerance, peace and reconciliation, although the account fails to adequately compensate for the implicit misogyny of the times or the rampant homophobia, tribalism, violence and racism of its predecessor work or the contributions from some of his followers.
It is centred around an All Knowing God, rather than accidental nature, and it is centred around the power of resurrection rather than the sloppy and abusive laws of spirit-craft.
Arguably the philosophy is centred around valuing people as people, whilst the supernatural mythic elements that are hung on the story are about an omniscient deity, with unevidenced assertions like 'soul' and 'resurrection' and 'spirit' thrown in to the mix.
Follow science and achieve everlasting life because, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ we know it is all possible.
Your definition of science does not seem to coincide with the typical understanding of the concept.
Faith is required because it is all far to complicated for us but that faith is supplied by Biblical study.
If this is science, faith is not required. Science is the process of accumulating evidence to support or refute provisional explanations of observed hypotheses, whilst faith is the maintenance of a preconceived position in the absence of, or in spite of, the evidence.
O.
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enki, SusanDorit, Floo, ippy, Outrider, Hope, Riannon, BashfulAnthony, Shaker:
I'm pleased to be back too. There is no satisfaction in being a Christian and not trying to save some from the inevitable alternative called Hades.
I have all the proof I need, it is just your misfortune if I don't make the points clearly...perhaps a Bible study might help.
Jesus was teaching us science...but it is centred around mankind rather than greed and wealth...It is centred around an All Knowing God, rather than accidental nature, and it is centred around the power of resurrection rather than the sloppy and abusive laws of spirit-craft.
Follow science and achieve everlasting life because, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ we know it is all possible.
Faith is required because it is all far to complicated for us but that faith is supplied by Biblical study.
But NM you have no proof any deity, let alone an afterlife, exists. It is all assumption, on your part.
In the space of half a dozen posts you have said the same thing three times! It would be interesting (not that interesting!) if someone counted the number of times you have repeated this same mantra, in say, a week - that is if such a person has finished watching the paint dry!
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She's not wrong though is she? ;)
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enki, SusanDorit, Floo, ippy, Outrider, Hope, Riannon, BashfulAnthony, Shaker:
I'm pleased to be back too. There is no satisfaction in being a Christian and not trying to save some from the inevitable alternative called Hades.
I have all the proof I need, it is just your misfortune if I don't make the points clearly...perhaps a Bible study might help.
Jesus was teaching us science...but it is centred around mankind rather than greed and wealth...It is centred around an All Knowing God, rather than accidental nature, and it is centred around the power of resurrection rather than the sloppy and abusive laws of spirit-craft.
Follow science and achieve everlasting life because, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ we know it is all possible.
Faith is required because it is all far to complicated for us but that faith is supplied by Biblical study.
Nice to have you back, NM. Ready for all the flack? Don't worry, there's nothing new: just the same old twaddle repeated ad nauseam.
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enki, SusanDorit, Floo, ippy, Outrider, Hope, Riannon, BashfulAnthony, Shaker:
I'm pleased to be back too. There is no satisfaction in being a Christian and not trying to save some from the inevitable alternative called Hades.
I have all the proof I need, it is just your misfortune if I don't make the points clearly...perhaps a Bible study might help.
Jesus was teaching us science...but it is centred around mankind rather than greed and wealth...It is centred around an All Knowing God, rather than accidental nature, and it is centred around the power of resurrection rather than the sloppy and abusive laws of spirit-craft.
Follow science and achieve everlasting life because, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ we know it is all possible.
Faith is required because it is all far to complicated for us but that faith is supplied by Biblical study.
Nick, I've done an alarming amount of Bible study in my time, and a bit of formal study too, and none of it bore any resemblance to your stuff. But hey, it's making you happy.
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Maybe it is, but his electricity bill must be a bleeding nightmare.
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She's not wrong though is she? ;)
I think she is, of course. But the question is: can she not remember that she is saying the same old thing every few minutes? Quite worrying really.
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I think she is, of course.
Of course, but that's only your belief, which you can't demonstrate to be the case.
But the question is: can she not remember that she is saying the same old thing every few minutes? Quite worrying really.
You say that as though we don't hear the same old wearying parade of unevidenced assertions and logical fallacies from Christians. When can we expect you to criticise Hope for his near-daily deployment of the negative proof fallacy, for instance?
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enki, SusanDorit, Floo, ippy, Outrider, Hope, Riannon, BashfulAnthony, Shaker:
I'm pleased to be back too. There is no satisfaction in being a Christian and not trying to save some from the inevitable alternative called Hades.
Isn't Hades the Greek underworld? You're not holding truck with pagan gods, surely!?!?!
I have all the proof I need, it is just your misfortune if I don't make the points clearly...perhaps a Bible study might help.
Given that I can't see very many clear links between what you say and what's written in the Bible, I suspect it won't help very much at all. I'm glad that you think you have proof - is this proof in a format that you can communicate to other people, or is this the sort of proof that's conveniently only available inside your head via 'personal revelation/really, really wanting it to be true'?
Jesus was teaching us science...but it is centred around mankind rather than greed and wealth...
No. Science is a methodology for examining the world around us to determine the mechanics of reality. Jesus was teaching us a philosophy, at least as he's depicted in the New Testament, of (broadly) tolerance, peace and reconciliation, although the account fails to adequately compensate for the implicit misogyny of the times or the rampant homophobia, tribalism, violence and racism of its predecessor work or the contributions from some of his followers.
It is centred around an All Knowing God, rather than accidental nature, and it is centred around the power of resurrection rather than the sloppy and abusive laws of spirit-craft.
Arguably the philosophy is centred around valuing people as people, whilst the supernatural mythic elements that are hung on the story are about an omniscient deity, with unevidenced assertions like 'soul' and 'resurrection' and 'spirit' thrown in to the mix.
Follow science and achieve everlasting life because, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ we know it is all possible.
Your definition of science does not seem to coincide with the typical understanding of the concept.
Faith is required because it is all far to complicated for us but that faith is supplied by Biblical study.
If this is science, faith is not required. Science is the process of accumulating evidence to support or refute provisional explanations of observed hypotheses, whilst faith is the maintenance of a preconceived position in the absence of, or in spite of, the evidence.
O.
Science, of course, has to be verifiable...My science is verifiable because it upholds all of modern science and goes much, much, further. Sadly, we need to know what Jesus was saying and doing at the time of his ministry rather than just dismiss him because man has twisted his word to breach the code. Science doesn't work well that way.
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I think she is, of course.
Of course, but that's only your belief, which you can't demonstrate to be the case.
But the question is: can she not remember that she is saying the same old thing every few minutes? Quite worrying really.
You say that as though we don't hear the same old wearying parade of unevidenced assertions and logical fallacies from Christians. When can we expect you to criticise Hope for his near-daily deployment of the negative proof fallacy, for instance?
Whether she's right or not is irrelevant to the present discussion, which is about her rather disturbing repetition of the same thing, interminably. It's a touch of the, "if I say it three times, it's true," syndrome, carried to excess.
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So as I said and you ignored, you'll be pointing this out to Hope the next time he uses his favourite fallacy, yes?
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So as I said and you ignored, you'll be pointing this out to Hope the next time he uses his favourite fallacy, yes?
Well, at least he doesn't say it in such a childishly boring manner. And what would you do if he stopped? It would seriously curtail your opportunities to be abusive and arrogant! ;)
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Science, of course, has to be verifiable...
Yes.
My science is verifiable because it upholds all of modern science and goes much, much, further.
No, it doesn't 'uphold' modern science, or even the findings of modern scientific enquiry. As soon as you assert that it 'goes further' you've exceeded scientific methodology and entered, at best, speculation. As it is, you've reverted back past the onset of scientific methodology to indulge in baseless superstition.
Sadly, we need to know what Jesus was saying and doing at the time of his ministry rather than just dismiss him because man has twisted his word to breach the code.
Why do we need to know what Jesus was saying? Surely the argument stands or falls on its own merits? Either it's true, in which case it doesn't matter if it's attributed to Jesus or not, or it's not true, in which case it doesn't matter if it's attributed to Jesus or not. Of course, if you're suggesting that the Bible misrepresents Jesus that's a different story, which would lead me to the question 'How come you have the right version'? The last guy that thought that seems to have been Joseph Smith, and the one before him was Mohammed ibn 'Abd Allah.
Science doesn't work well that way.
I can, without fear of contradiction, concede that you are an expert in how science doesn't work.
O.
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Well, at least he doesn't say it in such a childishly boring manner.
I'm not bothered by the manner; I'm bothered by the fact that it's a massive, howling failure of logical thought which has been pointed out to him innumerable times, yet he persists in perpetrating it practically every time he puts fingers to keyboard.
And what would you do if he stopped? It would seriously curtail your opportunities to be abusive and arrogant! ;)
I'd move on to all his other logical fallacies. There are plenty of them after all.
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enki, SusanDorit, Floo, ippy, Outrider, Hope, Riannon, BashfulAnthony, Shaker:
I'm pleased to be back too. There is no satisfaction in being a Christian and not trying to save some from the inevitable alternative called Hades.
Isn't Hades the Greek underworld? You're not holding truck with pagan gods, surely!?!?!
I have all the proof I need, it is just your misfortune if I don't make the points clearly...perhaps a Bible study might help.
Given that I can't see very many clear links between what you say and what's written in the Bible, I suspect it won't help very much at all. I'm glad that you think you have proof - is this proof in a format that you can communicate to other people, or is this the sort of proof that's conveniently only available inside your head via 'personal revelation/really, really wanting it to be true'?
Jesus was teaching us science...but it is centred around mankind rather than greed and wealth...
No. Science is a methodology for examining the world around us to determine the mechanics of reality. Jesus was teaching us a philosophy, at least as he's depicted in the New Testament, of (broadly) tolerance, peace and reconciliation, although the account fails to adequately compensate for the implicit misogyny of the times or the rampant homophobia, tribalism, violence and racism of its predecessor work or the contributions from some of his followers.
It is centred around an All Knowing God, rather than accidental nature, and it is centred around the power of resurrection rather than the sloppy and abusive laws of spirit-craft.
Arguably the philosophy is centred around valuing people as people, whilst the supernatural mythic elements that are hung on the story are about an omniscient deity, with unevidenced assertions like 'soul' and 'resurrection' and 'spirit' thrown in to the mix.
Follow science and achieve everlasting life because, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ we know it is all possible.
Your definition of science does not seem to coincide with the typical understanding of the concept.
Faith is required because it is all far to complicated for us but that faith is supplied by Biblical study.
If this is science, faith is not required. Science is the process of accumulating evidence to support or refute provisional explanations of observed hypotheses, whilst faith is the maintenance of a preconceived position in the absence of, or in spite of, the evidence.
O.
Science, of course, has to be verifiable...My science is verifiable because it upholds all of modern science and goes much, much, further. Sadly, we need to know what Jesus was saying and doing at the time of his ministry rather than just dismiss him because man has twisted his word to breach the code. Science doesn't work well that way.
Darling NM you and science is an oxymoron! ;D
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enki, SusanDorit, Floo, ippy, Outrider, Hope, Riannon, BashfulAnthony, Shaker:
I'm pleased to be back too. There is no satisfaction in being a Christian and not trying to save some from the inevitable alternative called Hades.
Isn't Hades the Greek underworld? You're not holding truck with pagan gods, surely!?!?!
I have all the proof I need, it is just your misfortune if I don't make the points clearly...perhaps a Bible study might help.
Given that I can't see very many clear links between what you say and what's written in the Bible, I suspect it won't help very much at all. I'm glad that you think you have proof - is this proof in a format that you can communicate to other people, or is this the sort of proof that's conveniently only available inside your head via 'personal revelation/really, really wanting it to be true'?
Jesus was teaching us science...but it is centred around mankind rather than greed and wealth...
No. Science is a methodology for examining the world around us to determine the mechanics of reality. Jesus was teaching us a philosophy, at least as he's depicted in the New Testament, of (broadly) tolerance, peace and reconciliation, although the account fails to adequately compensate for the implicit misogyny of the times or the rampant homophobia, tribalism, violence and racism of its predecessor work or the contributions from some of his followers.
It is centred around an All Knowing God, rather than accidental nature, and it is centred around the power of resurrection rather than the sloppy and abusive laws of spirit-craft.
Arguably the philosophy is centred around valuing people as people, whilst the supernatural mythic elements that are hung on the story are about an omniscient deity, with unevidenced assertions like 'soul' and 'resurrection' and 'spirit' thrown in to the mix.
Follow science and achieve everlasting life because, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ we know it is all possible.
Your definition of science does not seem to coincide with the typical understanding of the concept.
Faith is required because it is all far to complicated for us but that faith is supplied by Biblical study.
If this is science, faith is not required. Science is the process of accumulating evidence to support or refute provisional explanations of observed hypotheses, whilst faith is the maintenance of a preconceived position in the absence of, or in spite of, the evidence.
O.
Science, of course, has to be verifiable...My science is verifiable because it upholds all of modern science and goes much, much, further. Sadly, we need to know what Jesus was saying and doing at the time of his ministry rather than just dismiss him because man has twisted his word to breach the code. Science doesn't work well that way.
Darling NM you and science is an oxymoron! ;D
As is, "Floo's posts and original posts." :D
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enki, SusanDorit, Floo, ippy, Outrider, Hope, Riannon, BashfulAnthony, Shaker:
I'm pleased to be back too. There is no satisfaction in being a Christian and not trying to save some from the inevitable alternative called Hades.
I have all the proof I need, it is just your misfortune if I don't make the points clearly...perhaps a Bible study might help.
Jesus was teaching us science...but it is centred around mankind rather than greed and wealth...It is centred around an All Knowing God, rather than accidental nature, and it is centred around the power of resurrection rather than the sloppy and abusive laws of spirit-craft.
Follow science and achieve everlasting life because, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ we know it is all possible.
Faith is required because it is all far to complicated for us but that faith is supplied by Biblical study.
Nick, I've done an alarming amount of Bible study in my time, and a bit of formal study too, and none of it bore any resemblance to your stuff. But hey, it's making you happy.
You mean you have never felt the warmth and comfort offered by realising that the world is in a mess, not by the things the sincere Christian does, who are working towards righteous peace and harmony, but the things that the unChristian do. You have never felt that you have an inner eye and an inner strength guiding you away from scammers and the deceitful. You have never felt the inner glow of caring and repair when you are tired and distressed...there us much more but I wont rub salt in the wound.
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enki, SusanDorit, Floo, ippy, Outrider, Hope, Riannon, BashfulAnthony, Shaker:
I'm pleased to be back too. There is no satisfaction in being a Christian and not trying to save some from the inevitable alternative called Hades.
I have all the proof I need, it is just your misfortune if I don't make the points clearly...perhaps a Bible study might help.
Jesus was teaching us science...but it is centred around mankind rather than greed and wealth...It is centred around an All Knowing God, rather than accidental nature, and it is centred around the power of resurrection rather than the sloppy and abusive laws of spirit-craft.
Follow science and achieve everlasting life because, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ we know it is all possible.
Faith is required because it is all far to complicated for us but that faith is supplied by Biblical study.
Nick, I've done an alarming amount of Bible study in my time, and a bit of formal study too, and none of it bore any resemblance to your stuff. But hey, it's making you happy.
You mean you have never felt the warmth and comfort offered by realising that the world is in a mess, not by the things the sincere Christian does, who are working towards righteous peace and harmony, but the things that the unChristian do. You have never felt that you have an inner eye and an inner strength guiding you away from scammers and the deceitful. You have never felt the inner glow of caring and repair when you are tired and distressed...there us much more but I wont rub salt in the wound.
Having read the Bible many times throughout my life, I get warmth and comfort from the thought that in all probability it is a manmade creation and the evil Biblical deity doesn't exist!
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enki, SusanDorit, Floo, ippy, Outrider, Hope, Riannon, BashfulAnthony, Shaker:
I'm pleased to be back too. There is no satisfaction in being a Christian and not trying to save some from the inevitable alternative called Hades.
I have all the proof I need, it is just your misfortune if I don't make the points clearly...perhaps a Bible study might help.
Jesus was teaching us science...but it is centred around mankind rather than greed and wealth...It is centred around an All Knowing God, rather than accidental nature, and it is centred around the power of resurrection rather than the sloppy and abusive laws of spirit-craft.
Follow science and achieve everlasting life because, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ we know it is all possible.
Faith is required because it is all far to complicated for us but that faith is supplied by Biblical study.
Nick, I've done an alarming amount of Bible study in my time, and a bit of formal study too, and none of it bore any resemblance to your stuff. But hey, it's making you happy.
You mean you have never felt the warmth and comfort offered by realising that the world is in a mess, not by the things the sincere Christian does, who are working towards righteous peace and harmony, but the things that the unChristian do. You have never felt that you have an inner eye and an inner strength guiding you away from scammers and the deceitful. You have never felt the inner glow of caring and repair when you are tired and distressed...there us much more but I wont rub salt in the wound.
Having read the Bible many times throughout my life, I get warmth and comfort from the thought that in all probability it is a manmade creation and the evil Biblical deity doesn't exist!
The obvious question then, is, not believing any of it, why do you keep reading it, "many times"?
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Depends on the translation. If it's the Authorized Version, the sheer beauty of the English is reason enough, the Old Testament especially.
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Floo, Shaker, Outrider:
I too have to smile a little when your very own science says that there is an invisible force...unseen and virtually undetectable, that is 93% of all known matter in the universe but refuse to acknowledge that the Holy Bible, Jesus Christ, and now me, are saying that the other 7% is the product of that invisible material...that it is a dynamic energy clearly identified in the Holy Bible and is the spiritual water we are invited to participate in to quench all our spiritual thirsts...if we want resurrection...that is.
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enki, SusanDorit, Floo, ippy, Outrider, Hope, Riannon, BashfulAnthony, Shaker:
I'm pleased to be back too. There is no satisfaction in being a Christian and not trying to save some from the inevitable alternative called Hades.
I have all the proof I need, it is just your misfortune if I don't make the points clearly...perhaps a Bible study might help.
Jesus was teaching us science...but it is centred around mankind rather than greed and wealth...It is centred around an All Knowing God, rather than accidental nature, and it is centred around the power of resurrection rather than the sloppy and abusive laws of spirit-craft.
Follow science and achieve everlasting life because, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ we know it is all possible.
Faith is required because it is all far to complicated for us but that faith is supplied by Biblical study.
Nick, I've done an alarming amount of Bible study in my time, and a bit of formal study too, and none of it bore any resemblance to your stuff. But hey, it's making you happy.
You mean you have never felt the warmth and comfort offered by realising that the world is in a mess, not by the things the sincere Christian does, who are working towards righteous peace and harmony, but the things that the unChristian do. You have never felt that you have an inner eye and an inner strength guiding you away from scammers and the deceitful. You have never felt the inner glow of caring and repair when you are tired and distressed...there us much more but I wont rub salt in the wound.
I'll live with it. :)
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Floo, Shaker, Outrider:
I too have to smile a little when your very own science says that there is an invisible force...unseen and virtually undetectable, that is 93% of all known matter in the universe but refuse to acknowledge that the Holy Bible, Jesus Christ, and now me, are saying that the other 7% is the product of that invisible material...that it is a dynamic energy clearly identified in the Holy Bible and is the spiritual water we are invited to participate in to quench all our spiritual thirsts...if we want resurrection...that is.
DYNAMIC ENERGY! Do you have that phrase tattooed on your forehead, NM? ;D
How many Christians, even the more extreme ones, see it your way?
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enki, SusanDorit, Floo, ippy, Outrider, Hope, Riannon, BashfulAnthony, Shaker:
I'm pleased to be back too. There is no satisfaction in being a Christian and not trying to save some from the inevitable alternative called Hades.
I have all the proof I need, it is just your misfortune if I don't make the points clearly...perhaps a Bible study might help.
Jesus was teaching us science...but it is centred around mankind rather than greed and wealth...It is centred around an All Knowing God, rather than accidental nature, and it is centred around the power of resurrection rather than the sloppy and abusive laws of spirit-craft.
Follow science and achieve everlasting life because, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ we know it is all possible.
Faith is required because it is all far to complicated for us but that faith is supplied by Biblical study.
Nick, I've done an alarming amount of Bible study in my time, and a bit of formal study too, and none of it bore any resemblance to your stuff. But hey, it's making you happy.
You mean you have never felt the warmth and comfort offered by realising that the world is in a mess, not by the things the sincere Christian does, who are working towards righteous peace and harmony, but the things that the unChristian do. You have never felt that you have an inner eye and an inner strength guiding you away from scammers and the deceitful. You have never felt the inner glow of caring and repair when you are tired and distressed...there us much more but I wont rub salt in the wound.
I'll live with it. :)
Not according to the Holy Bible cus we are told when push comes to shove there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth...and I, in my own small way, are trying to guide you away from that.
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Thank you but it's fine, really.
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enki, SusanDorit, Floo, ippy, Outrider, Hope, Riannon, BashfulAnthony, Shaker:
I'm pleased to be back too. There is no satisfaction in being a Christian and not trying to save some from the inevitable alternative called Hades.
I have all the proof I need, it is just your misfortune if I don't make the points clearly...perhaps a Bible study might help.
Jesus was teaching us science...but it is centred around mankind rather than greed and wealth...It is centred around an All Knowing God, rather than accidental nature, and it is centred around the power of resurrection rather than the sloppy and abusive laws of spirit-craft.
Follow science and achieve everlasting life because, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ we know it is all possible.
Faith is required because it is all far to complicated for us but that faith is supplied by Biblical study.
Nick, I've done an alarming amount of Bible study in my time, and a bit of formal study too, and none of it bore any resemblance to your stuff. But hey, it's making you happy.
You mean you have never felt the warmth and comfort offered by realising that the world is in a mess, not by the things the sincere Christian does, who are working towards righteous peace and harmony, but the things that the unChristian do. You have never felt that you have an inner eye and an inner strength guiding you away from scammers and the deceitful. You have never felt the inner glow of caring and repair when you are tired and distressed...there us much more but I wont rub salt in the wound.
I'll live with it. :)
Not according to the Holy Bible cus we are told when push comes to shove there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth...and I, in my own small way, are trying to guide you away from that.
Well my dear, I am afraid you are not being very successful. But your posts are entertaining, I give you that. ;D
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Floo, Shaker, Outrider:
I too have to smile a little when your very own science says that there is an invisible force...unseen and virtually undetectable, that is 93% of all known matter in the universe but refuse to acknowledge that the Holy Bible, Jesus Christ, and now me, are saying that the other 7% is the product of that invisible material...that it is a dynamic energy clearly identified in the Holy Bible and is the spiritual water we are invited to participate in to quench all our spiritual thirsts...if we want resurrection...that is.
DYNAMIC ENERGY! Do you have that phrase tattooed on your forehead, NM? ;D
How many Christians, even the more extreme ones, see it your way?
Well...in a spiritual sense, I suppose I have. How can we ignore a property that The Holy Bible says is the Mighty Power from which every star is made and not see its value. Understanding this key point will bring you into space age science and resurrection. (must dash)
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You mean you have never felt the warmth and comfort offered by realising that the world is in a mess, not by the things the sincere Christian does, who are working towards righteous peace and harmony, but the things that the unChristian do.
I think it's fair to say that, whilst some Christians are indeed trying to work towards peace and harmony (righteous or otherwise), some of them are working towards imposing their religion on others against their will, stripping workforces of their employment rights and trying to impoverish the many for the benefit of the few - it's called 'America'. At the same time, there are any number of non-Christians on both sides of that divide as well.
You have never felt that you have an inner eye and an inner strength guiding you away from scammers and the deceitful.
No, I have an inner brain that guides me.
You have never felt the inner glow of caring and repair when you are tired and distressed...there us much more but I wont rub salt in the wound.
Yes, typically at the talented, qualified masseur hands of the inestimable Mrs O. :)
O.
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Floo, Shaker, Outrider:
I too have to smile a little when your very own science says that there is an invisible force...unseen and virtually undetectable, that is 93% of all known matter in the universe but refuse to acknowledge that the Holy Bible, Jesus Christ, and now me, are saying that the other 7% is the product of that invisible material...that it is a dynamic energy clearly identified in the Holy Bible and is the spiritual water we are invited to participate in to quench all our spiritual thirsts...if we want resurrection...that is.
DYNAMIC ENERGY! Do you have that phrase tattooed on your forehead, NM? ;D
How many Christians, even the more extreme ones, see it your way?
Well...in a spiritual sense, I suppose I have. How can we ignore a property that The Holy Bible says is the Mighty Power from which every star is made and not see its value. Understanding this key point will bring you into space age science and resurrection. (must dash)
It makes no sense that is why?
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The obvious question then, is, not believing any of it, why do you keep reading it, "many times"?
"If you know others and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know others but know yourself, you win one and lose one; if you do not know others and do not know yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle."
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
O.
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"If you know others and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know others but know yourself, you win one and lose one; if you do not know others and do not know yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle."
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
O.
Clearly Floo hasn't learnt this principle. Pretty well every time she pronounces on the general 'religion' issue she shows that she doesn't have any knowledge of her target.
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The obvious question then, is, not believing any of it, why do you keep reading it, "many times"?
"If you know others and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know others but know yourself, you win one and lose one; if you do not know others and do not know yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle."
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
O.
I am also quoting a few famous people in my own little post...not the least being that the scientist who said that the first law of energy conservation is that it can neither be made or lost only changed into another equal energy when put to work...Well that is where all scientists seem to be in argument with themselves...contrary to Almighty God, Jesus Christ, Newton, and me, who say that this 'dynamic energy' that built the universe existed before the big-bang and created it...and there is no escape from this fact which science dodges with a palpitating sweat.
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"If you know others and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know others but know yourself, you win one and lose one; if you do not know others and do not know yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle."
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
O.
Clearly Floo hasn't learnt this principle. Pretty well every time she pronounces on the general 'religion' issue she shows that she doesn't have any knowledge of her target.
What does that mean?
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I am also quoting a few famous people in my own little post...
You're not quoting, you're referencing at best, paraphrasing at least, and just plain misunderstanding in some parts.
...not the least being that the scientist who said that the first law of energy conservation is that it can neither be made or lost only changed into another equal energy when put to work...
That sounds like Liebnitz to me, but I suspect that's not who you mean.
Well that is where all scientists seem to be in argument with themselves...contrary to Almighty God, Jesus Christ, Newton, and me, who say that this 'dynamic energy' that built the universe existed before the big-bang and created it...and there is no escape from this fact which science dodges with a palpitating sweat.
I suggest you read Krauss' 'A Universe From Nothing: Why there is something and not nothing' for a scientific account of what it seems likely, according to current scientific understanding, led to the Big Bang. You can try to hijack that for your faith system if you'd like, but I don't think you're fooling anyone. Even if you choose that particularly loose translation of the Old Testament, it still lacks the rigourous description that would make it an actual account and not just vague waffle.
O.
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I am also quoting a few famous people in my own little post...
You're not quoting, you're referencing at best, paraphrasing at least, and just plain misunderstanding in some parts.
...not the least being that the scientist who said that the first law of energy conservation is that it can neither be made or lost only changed into another equal energy when put to work...
That sounds like Liebnitz to me, but I suspect that's not who you mean.
Well that is where all scientists seem to be in argument with themselves...contrary to Almighty God, Jesus Christ, Newton, and me, who say that this 'dynamic energy' that built the universe existed before the big-bang and created it...and there is no escape from this fact which science dodges with a palpitating sweat.
I suggest you read Krauss' 'A Universe From Nothing: Why there is something and not nothing' for a scientific account of what it seems likely, according to current scientific understanding, led to the Big Bang. You can try to hijack that for your faith system if you'd like, but I don't think you're fooling anyone. Even if you choose that particularly loose translation of the Old Testament, it still lacks the rigourous description that would make it an actual account and not just vague waffle.
O.
I'm sorry Outrider that your mind is closed to a new way of looking at a teaching which has excited the thinking of many many people over many many generations and which is supported by all known science and takes us into a deeper science which promises resurrection and everlasting life.
A closed mind is the first problem with the phenomena that allows the annals of the mind to absorb and enjoy the various forms of nourishment that feed it and open up all the pathways that control the whole body, not the least being the electric/nervous/spiritual pathways...Still, we are moving too far ahead of ourselves here and you are not interested anyway.
Best to just follow Jesus Christ...accurately.
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I'm sorry Outrider that your mind is closed to a new way of looking at a teaching which has excited the thinking of many many people over many many generations and which is supported by all known science and takes us into a deeper science which promises resurrection and everlasting life.
If it has done this for many generations how is it a new way of looking? That it has excited people doesn't make it true, just look at 'The Fast and the Furious' to see that. As to your contention that I'm closed-minded, you've not given anything to open it. You claim science, but have no science to offer: no model, no hypothesis, no data, no explanatory mechanisms. You just have an assertion - Jesus/God - and a pseudo-scientific catchphrase - 'dynamic energy'. There is much in Jesus' teachings that is worth repeating, I don't pretend for a moment that's not the case, but you do it and yourself a disservice when you try to pretend that it's science.
It's been explained to you many, many times why it isn't science, by me and by others.
A closed mind is the first problem with the phenomena that allows the annals of the mind to absorb and enjoy the various forms of nourishment that feed it and open up all the pathways that control the whole body, not the least being the electric/nervous/spiritual pathways...Still, we are moving too far ahead of ourselves here and you are not interested anyway.
I'm always interested in science, you aren't offering any.
Best to just follow Jesus Christ...accurately.
I'd rather follow Jesus judiciously - I have a mind of my own, and whilst I'll listen to the messages he had, I'll decide for myself what I think is right and wrong in life.
O.
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Outrider:
We'll try it another way just for you Outrider...I like testing out new insights which deliver the overwhelming message that Jesus wants to save all those who can show that they can obey a few simple rules.
The sun is a massive ball of energy which is a small part of a huge field of energy. All that energy through the atomic crashing of forces begins to breakdown and when they hit us this energy is just many many photons...so we can see that this energy is reverting back to its meagre original form...an invisible, hardly detectable, superabundant form of energy which God calls his Mighty Power...His dynamic energy, His fountain of living waters...Now, we can reverse engineer all this meagre energy and make many millions of galaxies all with trillions of stars comprising of many many trillions of atoms, exactly as science portrays them...Some might think this adequate proof that Jesus Christ is the son of Almighty God and that resurrection a simple property of this indestructible energy if we follow his righteous teaching.
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We'll try it another way just for you Outrider...I like testing out new insights which deliver the overwhelming message that Jesus wants to save all those who can show that they can obey a few simple rules.
New hypotheses are the essence of scientific enquiry.
The sun is a massive ball of energy which is a small part of a huge field of energy.
Broadly speaking, yes.
All that energy through the atomic crashing of forces begins to breakdown and when they hit us this energy is just many many photons...so we can see that this energy is reverting back to its meagre original form...
What makes you think this is the 'original form'?
an invisible, hardly detectable, superabundant form of energy which God calls his Mighty Power...His dynamic energy, His fountain of living waters...
And here's where you start to veer away from science. God is not a testable hypothesis, and therefore not part of science. That, in itself, doesn't mean that gods don't exist, but it does mean that you need to do something to demonstrate a reason to include them in a scientific account of anything.
Now, we can reverse engineer all this meagre energy and make many millions of galaxies all with trillions of stars comprising of many many trillions of atoms, exactly as science portrays them...
I don't think you mean reverse engineer. I think you mean that from that study of the way energy and matter interact we can deduce physical laws which explain the existence and origin of the billions and billions of stars in billions of galaxies that we can observe in the known universe, and which scientific theories suggest are made of atoms.
Some might think this adequate proof that Jesus Christ is the son of Almighty God and that resurrection a simple property of this indestructible energy if we follow his righteous teaching.
Some might think that, but that's an assertion and a preconception. There's nothing in the evidence provided which makes it clear that Jesus or God actually exist or have anything to do with the operation of the natural laws of the universe.
O.
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Outrider:
We'll try it another way just for you Outrider...I like testing out new insights which deliver the overwhelming message that Jesus wants to save all those who can show that they can obey a few simple rules.
The sun is a massive ball of energy which is a small part of a huge field of energy. All that energy through the atomic crashing of forces begins to breakdown and when they hit us this energy is just many many photons...so we can see that this energy is reverting back to its meagre original form...an invisible, hardly detectable, superabundant form of energy which God calls his Mighty Power...His dynamic energy, His fountain of living waters...Now, we can reverse engineer all this meagre energy and make many millions of galaxies all with trillions of stars comprising of many many trillions of atoms, exactly as science portrays them...Some might think this adequate proof that Jesus Christ is the son of Almighty God and that resurrection a simple property of this indestructible energy if we follow his righteous teaching.
Hi Nick
I can't quite follow your equation ... I'm okay up to what is currently termed dark matter, that you call Dynamic Energy, and how the trillions of stars are formed out of this substance, but for the life of me I can't see why this equals Jesus being the son of God and the Resurrection! Have you missed out something somewhere?
It's a bit like me saying there are millions of tons of snow in the Antarctic and therefore Hillary climbed Mount Everest! There may be some connection but I just don't see it.
Please explain.
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Outrider:
We'll try it another way just for you Outrider...I like testing out new insights which deliver the overwhelming message that Jesus wants to save all those who can show that they can obey a few simple rules.
The sun is a massive ball of energy which is a small part of a huge field of energy. All that energy through the atomic crashing of forces begins to breakdown and when they hit us this energy is just many many photons...so we can see that this energy is reverting back to its meagre original form...an invisible, hardly detectable, superabundant form of energy which God calls his Mighty Power...His dynamic energy, His fountain of living waters...Now, we can reverse engineer all this meagre energy and make many millions of galaxies all with trillions of stars comprising of many many trillions of atoms, exactly as science portrays them...Some might think this adequate proof that Jesus Christ is the son of Almighty God and that resurrection a simple property of this indestructible energy if we follow his righteous teaching.
Goodness only knows how you come up with that assertion! ::)
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Outrider:
We'll try it another way just for you Outrider...I like testing out new insights which deliver the overwhelming message that Jesus wants to save all those who can show that they can obey a few simple rules.
The sun is a massive ball of energy which is a small part of a huge field of energy. All that energy through the atomic crashing of forces begins to breakdown and when they hit us this energy is just many many photons...so we can see that this energy is reverting back to its meagre original form...an invisible, hardly detectable, superabundant form of energy which God calls his Mighty Power...His dynamic energy, His fountain of living waters...Now, we can reverse engineer all this meagre energy and make many millions of galaxies all with trillions of stars comprising of many many trillions of atoms, exactly as science portrays them...Some might think this adequate proof that Jesus Christ is the son of Almighty God and that resurrection a simple property of this indestructible energy if we follow his righteous teaching.
Hi Nick
I can't quite follow your equation ... I'm okay up to what is currently termed dark matter, that you call Dynamic Energy, and how the trillions of stars are formed out of this substance, but for the life of me I can't see why this equals Jesus being the son of God and the Resurrection! Have you missed out something somewhere?
It's a bit like me saying there are millions of tons of snow in the Antarctic and therefore Hillary climbed Mount Everest! There may be some connection but I just don't see it.
Please explain.
Sorry for that jjohnjil...My route to Biblical teaching is through looking at the teaching of Jesus Christ and taking his word and the OT as statements of fact and the overwhelming fact here is that Jesus wants us to embrace this energy via the laws that he guides us to. This means that Jesus and Almighty God are also made of this righteous material which brings the entire teaching of the Holy Bible and science into one unified science...Now nothing can prove the existence of Jesus Christ and the truth of his entire righteous teaching better than it all being part of one unified science...and that is the substance behind my reasoning.
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What does that mean?
Over the years, you have started a considerable number of posts on the subject of Chriostianity and almost all of them have included factual errors - errors such as assuming that getting a 13-year old girl pregnant in 1st century Palestine would be tantamount to child abuse (an error that you compound by using the same argument thread after thread).
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Over the years, you have started a considerable number of posts on the subject of Chriostianity and almost all of them have included factual errors - errors such as assuming that getting a 13-year old girl pregnant in 1st century Palestine would be tantamount to child abuse (an error that you compound by using the same argument thread after thread).
You keep making that deduction, and I don't understand. Do you really think that 13 is an appropriate age for a girl to be getting pregnant? I appreciate that it was the cultural norm, but we now know the sort of psychological and physical harm that it causes - and presumably God would know that too.
Either it is wrong to get a 13 year old pregnant, or it isn't: if it isn't, just say so, but if it is why is an error to call that out?
O.
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Outrider:
We'll try it another way just for you Outrider...I like testing out new insights which deliver the overwhelming message that Jesus wants to save all those who can show that they can obey a few simple rules.
The sun is a massive ball of energy which is a small part of a huge field of energy. All that energy through the atomic crashing of forces begins to breakdown and when they hit us this energy is just many many photons...so we can see that this energy is reverting back to its meagre original form...an invisible, hardly detectable, superabundant form of energy which God calls his Mighty Power...His dynamic energy, His fountain of living waters...Now, we can reverse engineer all this meagre energy and make many millions of galaxies all with trillions of stars comprising of many many trillions of atoms, exactly as science portrays them...Some might think this adequate proof that Jesus Christ is the son of Almighty God and that resurrection a simple property of this indestructible energy if we follow his righteous teaching.
Hi Nick
I can't quite follow your equation ... I'm okay up to what is currently termed dark matter, that you call Dynamic Energy, and how the trillions of stars are formed out of this substance, but for the life of me I can't see why this equals Jesus being the son of God and the Resurrection! Have you missed out something somewhere?
It's a bit like me saying there are millions of tons of snow in the Antarctic and therefore Hillary climbed Mount Everest! There may be some connection but I just don't see it.
Please explain.
Sorry for that jjohnjil...My route to Biblical teaching is through looking at the teaching of Jesus Christ and taking his word and the OT as statements of fact and the overwhelming fact here is that Jesus wants us to embrace this energy via the laws that he guides us to. This means that Jesus and Almighty God are also made of this righteous material which brings the entire teaching of the Holy Bible and science into one unified science...Now nothing can prove the existence of Jesus Christ and the truth of his entire righteous teaching better than it all being part of one unified science...and that is the substance behind my reasoning.
Thanks for that, Nick, but can you point me to the part of the Bible where his actual wording mentions dark matter (or dynamic energy) as I have never seen it myself. Unless of course there is something he said where you assume he means dynamic energy? Pointing me to that would be very helpful, as it's all a bit baffling at the moment..
Thank you.
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Funny how the mind works every time I write anything to, for or read about Nick, I've got this picture of Monty Python's "Bicycle Repair Man" in my head and it wont go away.
No I can't explain and have no excuses and as I've said it just wont go away.
ippy
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Outrider:
We'll try it another way just for you Outrider...I like testing out new insights which deliver the overwhelming message that Jesus wants to save all those who can show that they can obey a few simple rules.
The sun is a massive ball of energy which is a small part of a huge field of energy. All that energy through the atomic crashing of forces begins to breakdown and when they hit us this energy is just many many photons...so we can see that this energy is reverting back to its meagre original form...an invisible, hardly detectable, superabundant form of energy which God calls his Mighty Power...His dynamic energy, His fountain of living waters...Now, we can reverse engineer all this meagre energy and make many millions of galaxies all with trillions of stars comprising of many many trillions of atoms, exactly as science portrays them...Some might think this adequate proof that Jesus Christ is the son of Almighty God and that resurrection a simple property of this indestructible energy if we follow his righteous teaching.
Hi Nick
I can't quite follow your equation ... I'm okay up to what is currently termed dark matter, that you call Dynamic Energy, and how the trillions of stars are formed out of this substance, but for the life of me I can't see why this equals Jesus being the son of God and the Resurrection! Have you missed out something somewhere?
It's a bit like me saying there are millions of tons of snow in the Antarctic and therefore Hillary climbed Mount Everest! There may be some connection but I just don't see it.
Please explain.
Sorry for that jjohnjil...My route to Biblical teaching is through looking at the teaching of Jesus Christ and taking his word and the OT as statements of fact and the overwhelming fact here is that Jesus wants us to embrace this energy via the laws that he guides us to. This means that Jesus and Almighty God are also made of this righteous material which brings the entire teaching of the Holy Bible and science into one unified science...Now nothing can prove the existence of Jesus Christ and the truth of his entire righteous teaching better than it all being part of one unified science...and that is the substance behind my reasoning.
Thanks for that, Nick, but can you point me to the part of the Bible where his actual wording mentions dark matter (or dynamic energy) as I have never seen it myself. Unless of course there is something he said where you assume he means dynamic energy? Pointing me to that would be very helpful, as it's all a bit baffling at the moment..
Thank you.
You may have noticed I used God's 'Mighty Power' as well as God's 'Dynamic Energy' this is to cover me for your next counter claim jjohnjil. You see 'dynamic energy' in all its superabundance is referred to in Isaiah 40:26 NWT and 'Mighty Power in the KJV'...In both instances Almighty God calls our attention to all the stars in the heavens and tells us he used the superabundance of his...mighty power/dynamic energy to make them all with...No one can deny that there is an awful lot of 'dynamic energy' involved in every star...no matter which side of the righteous argument you prefer.
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Outrider:
We'll try it another way just for you Outrider...I like testing out new insights which deliver the overwhelming message that Jesus wants to save all those who can show that they can obey a few simple rules.
The sun is a massive ball of energy which is a small part of a huge field of energy. All that energy through the atomic crashing of forces begins to breakdown and when they hit us this energy is just many many photons...so we can see that this energy is reverting back to its meagre original form...an invisible, hardly detectable, superabundant form of energy which God calls his Mighty Power...His dynamic energy, His fountain of living waters...Now, we can reverse engineer all this meagre energy and make many millions of galaxies all with trillions of stars comprising of many many trillions of atoms, exactly as science portrays them...Some might think this adequate proof that Jesus Christ is the son of Almighty God and that resurrection a simple property of this indestructible energy if we follow his righteous teaching.
Hi Nick
I can't quite follow your equation ... I'm okay up to what is currently termed dark matter, that you call Dynamic Energy, and how the trillions of stars are formed out of this substance, but for the life of me I can't see why this equals Jesus being the son of God and the Resurrection! Have you missed out something somewhere?
It's a bit like me saying there are millions of tons of snow in the Antarctic and therefore Hillary climbed Mount Everest! There may be some connection but I just don't see it.
Please explain.
Sorry for that jjohnjil...My route to Biblical teaching is through looking at the teaching of Jesus Christ and taking his word and the OT as statements of fact and the overwhelming fact here is that Jesus wants us to embrace this energy via the laws that he guides us to. This means that Jesus and Almighty God are also made of this righteous material which brings the entire teaching of the Holy Bible and science into one unified science...Now nothing can prove the existence of Jesus Christ and the truth of his entire righteous teaching better than it all being part of one unified science...and that is the substance behind my reasoning.
Thanks for that, Nick, but can you point me to the part of the Bible where his actual wording mentions dark matter (or dynamic energy) as I have never seen it myself. Unless of course there is something he said where you assume he means dynamic energy? Pointing me to that would be very helpful, as it's all a bit baffling at the moment..
Thank you.
You may have noticed I used God's 'Mighty Power' as well as God's 'Dynamic Energy' this is to cover me for your next counter claim jjohnjil. You see 'dynamic energy' in all its superabundance is referred to in Isaiah 40:26 NWT and 'Mighty Power in the KJV'...In both instances Almighty God calls our attention to all the stars in the heavens and tells us he used the superabundance of his...mighty power/dynamic energy to make them all with...No one can deny that there is an awful lot of 'dynamic energy' involved in every star...no matter which side of the righteous argument you prefer.
Lift up your eyes and look to the heavens:
Who created all these?
He who brings out the starry host one by one
and calls forth each of them by name.
Because of his great power and mighty strength,
not one of them is missing.
This tells us God made all the stars - presumably using some sort of energy - but no mention of dark matter and still nothing to suggest the missing bit of the equation I asked you about :
All the stars = Jesus resurrected ... ..... Snow in Antarctica = Hilary climbed Everest. Where's the connection?
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Outrider:
We'll try it another way just for you Outrider...I like testing out new insights which deliver the overwhelming message that Jesus wants to save all those who can show that they can obey a few simple rules.
The sun is a massive ball of energy which is a small part of a huge field of energy. All that energy through the atomic crashing of forces begins to breakdown and when they hit us this energy is just many many photons...so we can see that this energy is reverting back to its meagre original form...an invisible, hardly detectable, superabundant form of energy which God calls his Mighty Power...His dynamic energy, His fountain of living waters...Now, we can reverse engineer all this meagre energy and make many millions of galaxies all with trillions of stars comprising of many many trillions of atoms, exactly as science portrays them...Some might think this adequate proof that Jesus Christ is the son of Almighty God and that resurrection a simple property of this indestructible energy if we follow his righteous teaching.
Hi Nick
I can't quite follow your equation ... I'm okay up to what is currently termed dark matter, that you call Dynamic Energy, and how the trillions of stars are formed out of this substance, but for the life of me I can't see why this equals Jesus being the son of God and the Resurrection! Have you missed out something somewhere?
It's a bit like me saying there are millions of tons of snow in the Antarctic and therefore Hillary climbed Mount Everest! There may be some connection but I just don't see it.
Please explain.
Sorry for that jjohnjil...My route to Biblical teaching is through looking at the teaching of Jesus Christ and taking his word and the OT as statements of fact and the overwhelming fact here is that Jesus wants us to embrace this energy via the laws that he guides us to. This means that Jesus and Almighty God are also made of this righteous material which brings the entire teaching of the Holy Bible and science into one unified science...Now nothing can prove the existence of Jesus Christ and the truth of his entire righteous teaching better than it all being part of one unified science...and that is the substance behind my reasoning.
Thanks for that, Nick, but can you point me to the part of the Bible where his actual wording mentions dark matter (or dynamic energy) as I have never seen it myself. Unless of course there is something he said where you assume he means dynamic energy? Pointing me to that would be very helpful, as it's all a bit baffling at the moment..
Thank you.
You may have noticed I used God's 'Mighty Power' as well as God's 'Dynamic Energy' this is to cover me for your next counter claim jjohnjil. You see 'dynamic energy' in all its superabundance is referred to in Isaiah 40:26 NWT and 'Mighty Power in the KJV'...In both instances Almighty God calls our attention to all the stars in the heavens and tells us he used the superabundance of his...mighty power/dynamic energy to make them all with...No one can deny that there is an awful lot of 'dynamic energy' involved in every star...no matter which side of the righteous argument you prefer.
You are not comparing like with like NM! ::)
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Outrider:
We'll try it another way just for you Outrider...I like testing out new insights which deliver the overwhelming message that Jesus wants to save all those who can show that they can obey a few simple rules.
The sun is a massive ball of energy which is a small part of a huge field of energy. All that energy through the atomic crashing of forces begins to breakdown and when they hit us this energy is just many many photons...so we can see that this energy is reverting back to its meagre original form...an invisible, hardly detectable, superabundant form of energy which God calls his Mighty Power...His dynamic energy, His fountain of living waters...Now, we can reverse engineer all this meagre energy and make many millions of galaxies all with trillions of stars comprising of many many trillions of atoms, exactly as science portrays them...Some might think this adequate proof that Jesus Christ is the son of Almighty God and that resurrection a simple property of this indestructible energy if we follow his righteous teaching.
Hi Nick
I can't quite follow your equation ... I'm okay up to what is currently termed dark matter, that you call Dynamic Energy, and how the trillions of stars are formed out of this substance, but for the life of me I can't see why this equals Jesus being the son of God and the Resurrection! Have you missed out something somewhere?
It's a bit like me saying there are millions of tons of snow in the Antarctic and therefore Hillary climbed Mount Everest! There may be some connection but I just don't see it.
Please explain.
Sorry for that jjohnjil...My route to Biblical teaching is through looking at the teaching of Jesus Christ and taking his word and the OT as statements of fact and the overwhelming fact here is that Jesus wants us to embrace this energy via the laws that he guides us to. This means that Jesus and Almighty God are also made of this righteous material which brings the entire teaching of the Holy Bible and science into one unified science...Now nothing can prove the existence of Jesus Christ and the truth of his entire righteous teaching better than it all being part of one unified science...and that is the substance behind my reasoning.
Thanks for that, Nick, but can you point me to the part of the Bible where his actual wording mentions dark matter (or dynamic energy) as I have never seen it myself. Unless of course there is something he said where you assume he means dynamic energy? Pointing me to that would be very helpful, as it's all a bit baffling at the moment..
Thank you.
You may have noticed I used God's 'Mighty Power' as well as God's 'Dynamic Energy' this is to cover me for your next counter claim jjohnjil. You see 'dynamic energy' in all its superabundance is referred to in Isaiah 40:26 NWT and 'Mighty Power in the KJV'...In both instances Almighty God calls our attention to all the stars in the heavens and tells us he used the superabundance of his...mighty power/dynamic energy to make them all with...No one can deny that there is an awful lot of 'dynamic energy' involved in every star...no matter which side of the righteous argument you prefer.
Lift up your eyes and look to the heavens:
Who created all these?
He who brings out the starry host one by one
and calls forth each of them by name.
Because of his great power and mighty strength,
not one of them is missing.
This tells us God made all the stars - presumably using some sort of energy - but no mention of dark matter and still nothing to suggest the missing bit of the equation I asked you about :
All the stars = Jesus resurrected ... ..... Snow in Antarctica = Hilary climbed Everest. Where's the connection?
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Your not even trying now jjohnjil. If you cannot stretch your mind around such a profound and wonderful understanding which brings the Holy Bible into the highest scientific dimension without ridicule then you will have a hard job convincing Almighty God that you can comply with a few simple laws that will ensure your salvation, resurrection and everlasting life...but I can only try and show you that an old teaching is in fact far ahead of modern science.
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Outrider:
We'll try it another way just for you Outrider...I like testing out new insights which deliver the overwhelming message that Jesus wants to save all those who can show that they can obey a few simple rules.
The sun is a massive ball of energy which is a small part of a huge field of energy. All that energy through the atomic crashing of forces begins to breakdown and when they hit us this energy is just many many photons...so we can see that this energy is reverting back to its meagre original form...an invisible, hardly detectable, superabundant form of energy which God calls his Mighty Power...His dynamic energy, His fountain of living waters...Now, we can reverse engineer all this meagre energy and make many millions of galaxies all with trillions of stars comprising of many many trillions of atoms, exactly as science portrays them...Some might think this adequate proof that Jesus Christ is the son of Almighty God and that resurrection a simple property of this indestructible energy if we follow his righteous teaching.
Hi Nick
I can't quite follow your equation ... I'm okay up to what is currently termed dark matter, that you call Dynamic Energy, and how the trillions of stars are formed out of this substance, but for the life of me I can't see why this equals Jesus being the son of God and the Resurrection! Have you missed out something somewhere?
It's a bit like me saying there are millions of tons of snow in the Antarctic and therefore Hillary climbed Mount Everest! There may be some connection but I just don't see it.
Please explain.
Sorry for that jjohnjil...My route to Biblical teaching is through looking at the teaching of Jesus Christ and taking his word and the OT as statements of fact and the overwhelming fact here is that Jesus wants us to embrace this energy via the laws that he guides us to. This means that Jesus and Almighty God are also made of this righteous material which brings the entire teaching of the Holy Bible and science into one unified science...Now nothing can prove the existence of Jesus Christ and the truth of his entire righteous teaching better than it all being part of one unified science...and that is the substance behind my reasoning.
Thanks for that, Nick, but can you point me to the part of the Bible where his actual wording mentions dark matter (or dynamic energy) as I have never seen it myself. Unless of course there is something he said where you assume he means dynamic energy? Pointing me to that would be very helpful, as it's all a bit baffling at the moment..
Thank you.
You may have noticed I used God's 'Mighty Power' as well as God's 'Dynamic Energy' this is to cover me for your next counter claim jjohnjil. You see 'dynamic energy' in all its superabundance is referred to in Isaiah 40:26 NWT and 'Mighty Power in the KJV'...In both instances Almighty God calls our attention to all the stars in the heavens and tells us he used the superabundance of his...mighty power/dynamic energy to make them all with...No one can deny that there is an awful lot of 'dynamic energy' involved in every star...no matter which side of the righteous argument you prefer.
You are not comparing like with like NM! ::)
Reading the Holy Bible and allowing its righteous messages to come alive is the only way forward here Floo. The stuff that stars are made of is the same stuff that you and I are made of so an expert in this knowledge might also be an expert in science, in resurrection and an expert in everlasting life. A one and only son of God might just fit that profile.
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Goodness knows how you make that out NM?
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Reading the Holy Bible and allowing its righteous messages to come alive is the only way forward here Floo. The stuff that stars are made of is the same stuff that you and I are made of so an expert in this knowledge might also be an expert in science, in resurrection and an expert in everlasting life. A one and only son of God might just fit that profile.
They might. All you need do now is back that 'hypothesis' with some sort of evidence that there is an 'expert in this knowledge' somewhere and that the New or Old Testaments are in some way a distillation of that knowledge.
You've got a lovely idea, and absolutely no reason for anyone to think it's anything more than just a nice idea.
O.
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Outrider:
We'll try it another way just for you Outrider...I like testing out new insights which deliver the overwhelming message that Jesus wants to save all those who can show that they can obey a few simple rules.
The sun is a massive ball of energy which is a small part of a huge field of energy. All that energy through the atomic crashing of forces begins to breakdown and when they hit us this energy is just many many photons...so we can see that this energy is reverting back to its meagre original form...an invisible, hardly detectable, superabundant form of energy which God calls his Mighty Power...His dynamic energy, His fountain of living waters...Now, we can reverse engineer all this meagre energy and make many millions of galaxies all with trillions of stars comprising of many many trillions of atoms, exactly as science portrays them...Some might think this adequate proof that Jesus Christ is the son of Almighty God and that resurrection a simple property of this indestructible energy if we follow his righteous teaching.
Hi Nick
I can't quite follow your equation ... I'm okay up to what is currently termed dark matter, that you call Dynamic Energy, and how the trillions of stars are formed out of this substance, but for the life of me I can't see why this equals Jesus being the son of God and the Resurrection! Have you missed out something somewhere?
It's a bit like me saying there are millions of tons of snow in the Antarctic and therefore Hillary climbed Mount Everest! There may be some connection but I just don't see it.
Please explain.
Sorry for that jjohnjil...My route to Biblical teaching is through looking at the teaching of Jesus Christ and taking his word and the OT as statements of fact and the overwhelming fact here is that Jesus wants us to embrace this energy via the laws that he guides us to. This means that Jesus and Almighty God are also made of this righteous material which brings the entire teaching of the Holy Bible and science into one unified science...Now nothing can prove the existence of Jesus Christ and the truth of his entire righteous teaching better than it all being part of one unified science...and that is the substance behind my reasoning.
Thanks for that, Nick, but can you point me to the part of the Bible where his actual wording mentions dark matter (or dynamic energy) as I have never seen it myself. Unless of course there is something he said where you assume he means dynamic energy? Pointing me to that would be very helpful, as it's all a bit baffling at the moment..
Thank you.
You may have noticed I used God's 'Mighty Power' as well as God's 'Dynamic Energy' this is to cover me for your next counter claim jjohnjil. You see 'dynamic energy' in all its superabundance is referred to in Isaiah 40:26 NWT and 'Mighty Power in the KJV'...In both instances Almighty God calls our attention to all the stars in the heavens and tells us he used the superabundance of his...mighty power/dynamic energy to make them all with...No one can deny that there is an awful lot of 'dynamic energy' involved in every star...no matter which side of the righteous argument you prefer.
Lift up your eyes and look to the heavens:
Who created all these?
He who brings out the starry host one by one
and calls forth each of them by name.
Because of his great power and mighty strength,
not one of them is missing.
This tells us God made all the stars - presumably using some sort of energy - but no mention of dark matter and still nothing to suggest the missing bit of the equation I asked you about :
All the stars = Jesus resurrected ... ..... Snow in Antarctica = Hilary climbed Everest. Where's the connection?
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Your not even trying now jjohnjil. If you cannot stretch your mind around such a profound and wonderful understanding which brings the Holy Bible into the highest scientific dimension without ridicule then you will have a hard job convincing Almighty God that you can comply with a few simple laws that will ensure your salvation, resurrection and everlasting life...but I can only try and show you that an old teaching is in fact far ahead of modern science.
Why is it ridicule, Nick, I am trying to understand how you say X therefore Y. If neither X or Y are in any way related, how do you square the circle. As Outrider says, you have a lovely idea and good intentions but if you're going to convince anyone that you are talking sensibly you have to explain your workings and therefore how you get from X to Y.
Nick, I have read your posts for many years, other than your recent break, but so far you have never got beyond asserting this dynamic energy, as though it actually means something. When you are asked to explain it in understandable language you say it's ridicule. This can only mean it's just words and you have never thought it through with any sort of critical thinking.
Before repeating it all again, Nick, think about it and see if you can make it sound like something that those you are trying to convince would see real logic in it.
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NM's 'logic' appears to be at odds with the logic of others!
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...qualified masseur hands...
You lucky devil
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...qualified masseur hands...
You lucky devil
I can heartily recommend that everyone find out where their local Health and Beauty students study, and book themselves in: the students need to practice on members of the public, and you get decent quality massage (and other treatments) at bargain prices. Support people in their learning and benefit yourself - everyone's a winner :)
Unfortunately for me, in the longer term, Mrs O. forwent that direction of study and is now in the last year of a degree in Maths and Statistics with an eye to being a teacher... but it was good while it lasted :)
O.
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Floo, jjohnjil, Outrider:
It's not my lovely idea it is Jesus Christ's or rather his father's who is looking at the overall picture a little differently than we do. He sees all the pain and suffering and has worked out how he is going to deal with it. Reading Revelation and all the other clues interspersed throughout the Holy Bible he is going to allow this planet to tip into absolute chaos caused by the total mismanagement that is now dominating it but those who grasp the 'science of righteousness' before it does will have the chance of resurrection and everlasting life afterwards when it all settles down...It is up to you to decide if this is preferable to the alternative...no pressure.
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Floo, jjohnjil, Outrider:
It's not my lovely idea it is Jesus Christ's or rather his father's who is looking at the overall picture a little differently than we do. He sees all the pain and suffering and has worked out how he is going to deal with it. Reading Revelation and all the other clues interspersed throughout the Holy Bible he is going to allow this planet to tip into absolute chaos caused by the total mismanagement that is now dominating it but those who grasp the 'science of righteousness' before it does will have the chance of resurrection and everlasting life afterwards when it all settles down...It is up to you to decide if this is preferable to the alternative...no pressure.
NM you have no evidence to support your statement, the Bible isn't evidence. Revelation is a crazy book which appears to have been written by a guy high as a kite on a substance abuse trip!
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It's not my lovely idea it is Jesus Christ's or rather his father's who is looking at the overall picture a little differently than we do.
Maybe that's the case, but you seem to think that you understand it. You claim that it's science, I don't recall seeing that claim in the scriptures, so that's not Jesus or God making that claim, that's wholly on you, and you have to justify that.
He sees all the pain and suffering and has worked out how he is going to deal with it.
Yet not all of his lessons will lead to a reduction of suffering and pain. Loving our neighbour, charity, good-will, these are all fine lessons, just as they were fine lessons when they were espoused by all the other people that have suggested them. Accommodating slavery as the New Testament suggests will not reduce pain and suffering; misogyny will not reduce pain and suffering; homophobia will not reduce pain and suffering.
Reading Revelation and all the other clues interspersed throughout the Holy Bible he is going to allow this planet to tip into absolute chaos caused by the total mismanagement that is now dominating it but those who grasp the 'science of righteousness' before it does will have the chance of resurrection and everlasting life afterwards when it all settles down...
So this universal love is to be demonstrated by a trial by fire - only the most faithful survive. Not even the kindest, or the most giving, or the nicest, but those that most steadfastly hold to unjustified claims? That does not come across as the best possible plan from an all-loving, all-powerful being.
It is up to you to decide if this is preferable to the alternative...no pressure.
Actually, no. It's up to me to review your claims and point out that they make no sense. Unlike many other believers of various stripes who struggle with the problem of evil but maintain their faith, you appear to have no real grasp that it's a problem with your argument. It's been raised repeatedly here and you've ignored it or failed to appreciate that it's an argument: you do realise that the misogyny, slavery, racism and homophobia espoused by the New Testament as the will of your God are hateful and evil, right?
O.
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It's not my lovely idea it is Jesus Christ's or rather his father's who is looking at the overall picture a little differently than we do.
Maybe that's the case, but you seem to think that you understand it. You claim that it's science, I don't recall seeing that claim in the scriptures, so that's not Jesus or God making that claim, that's wholly on you, and you have to justify that.
He sees all the pain and suffering and has worked out how he is going to deal with it.
Yet not all of his lessons will lead to a reduction of suffering and pain. Loving our neighbour, charity, good-will, these are all fine lessons, just as they were fine lessons when they were espoused by all the other people that have suggested them. Accommodating slavery as the New Testament suggests will not reduce pain and suffering; misogyny will not reduce pain and suffering; homophobia will not reduce pain and suffering.
Reading Revelation and all the other clues interspersed throughout the Holy Bible he is going to allow this planet to tip into absolute chaos caused by the total mismanagement that is now dominating it but those who grasp the 'science of righteousness' before it does will have the chance of resurrection and everlasting life afterwards when it all settles down...
So this universal love is to be demonstrated by a trial by fire - only the most faithful survive. Not even the kindest, or the most giving, or the nicest, but those that most steadfastly hold to unjustified claims? That does not come across as the best possible plan from an all-loving, all-powerful being.
It is up to you to decide if this is preferable to the alternative...no pressure.
Actually, no. It's up to me to review your claims and point out that they make no sense. Unlike many other believers of various stripes who struggle with the problem of evil but maintain their faith, you appear to have no real grasp that it's a problem with your argument. It's been raised repeatedly here and you've ignored it or failed to appreciate that it's an argument: you do realise that the misogyny, slavery, racism and homophobia espoused by the New Testament as the will of your God are hateful and evil, right?
O.
Ah but we aren't seeing it God's way as we haven't got DYNAMIC ENERGY flowing through our veins, and therefore can't accept the ACCURATE teaching of Jesus. ;D
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Floo, Outrider:
One of the key Biblical principles is that we all have genetic faults and by soothing and calming our genetic health via God's Love, Dynamic Energy, Jesus Christ's accurate teaching...we can address those problems in a scientific/Biblical way.
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One of the key Biblical principles is that we all have genetic faults and by soothing and calming our genetic health via God's Love, Dynamic Energy, Jesus Christ's accurate teaching...we can address those problems in a scientific/Biblical way.
If we 'calm our genetic health' by following the accords of the New Testament, though, we have slavery, misogyny, homophobia and racism. Those are amongst the problems that need to be dealt with.
Why do we have 'genetic faults'? If God the cosmic scientist cannot design humans without these 'genetic flaws', how do we guarantee that his understanding of the rest of your purported 'dynamic energy science of the universe' (DESOTU, for short) is any more reliable?
O.
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Floo, Outrider:
One of the key Biblical principles is that we all have genetic faults and by soothing and calming our genetic health via God's Love, Dynamic Energy, Jesus Christ's accurate teaching...we can address those problems in a scientific/Biblical way.
Oh dear! AAAHHH! ::)
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enki, SusanDorit, Floo, ippy, Outrider, Hope, Riannon, BashfulAnthony, Shaker:
I'm pleased to be back too. There is no satisfaction in being a Christian and not trying to save some from the inevitable alternative called Hades.
Isn't Hades the Greek underworld? You're not holding truck with pagan gods, surely!?!?!
Christianity is a syncretism of Greek and Jewish religious ideas. There were several other similar mystery religions like the Cult of Isis, the cult of Attis , the Dionysis mysteries etc. It's surprising how many of these cults had a mythical goodman (or woman) who died and was resurrected.
Given that Judea had been part of the Greek World for three centuries by the time Christianity appeared, it would be more surprising if it didn't have any Greek influences.
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Floo, Outrider:
One of the key Biblical principles is that we all have genetic faults and by soothing and calming our genetic health via God's Love, Dynamic Energy, Jesus Christ's accurate teaching...we can address those problems in a scientific/Biblical way.
Oh dear! AAAHHH! ::)
Floo
will you please edit this down it is playing Hail Columbia with the page sizing!
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Floo, Outrider:
One of the key Biblical principles is that we all have genetic faults and by soothing and calming our genetic health via God's Love, Dynamic Energy, Jesus Christ's accurate teaching...we can address those problems in a scientific/Biblical way.
Oh dear! AAAHHH! ::)
Floo
will you please edit this down it is playing Hail Columbia with the page sizing!
Hasn't anyone ever told you that by sin the worst possible genetic fault...death...came into the world and that all genetic faults spring from it. That is how we can be certain that following Jesus Christ's righteous science we can pay back for (repair) our sins.
Time to start listening to the science that everything is a manifestation of the same scientific cause...God's fountain of living waters---or if you prefer...God's 'dynamic energy'. A property that stares us in the face every day by virtue of our very own star.
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Ain't it marvellous!
These Christians believe in their god, but mine, according to them, is a figment fo my imagination.
My belief in the cycle of Birth, Life, Death and rebirth is a load of rubbish, but they believe a man can be dead and come back from the dead!
And they call ME hypocrite!
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Floo, Outrider:
One of the key Biblical principles is that we all have genetic faults and by soothing and calming our genetic health via God's Love, Dynamic Energy, Jesus Christ's accurate teaching...we can address those problems in a scientific/Biblical way.
Oh dear! AAAHHH! ::)
Thanks Floo!
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Floo, Outrider:
One of the key Biblical principles is that we all have genetic faults and by soothing and calming our genetic health via God's Love, Dynamic Energy, Jesus Christ's accurate teaching...we can address those problems in a scientific/Biblical way.
Oh dear! AAAHHH! ::)
Thanks Floo!
T'was our esteemed moderator.
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Floo, Outrider:
One of the key Biblical principles is that we all have genetic faults and by soothing and calming our genetic health via God's Love, Dynamic Energy, Jesus Christ's accurate teaching...we can address those problems in a scientific/Biblical way.
Oh dear! AAAHHH! ::)
Floo
will you please edit this down it is playing Hail Columbia with the page sizing!
SORRY
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Floo, Outrider:
One of the key Biblical principles is that we all have genetic faults and by soothing and calming our genetic health via God's Love, Dynamic Energy, Jesus Christ's accurate teaching...we can address those problems in a scientific/Biblical way.
Oh dear! AAAHHH! ::)
Floo
will you please edit this down it is playing Hail Columbia with the page sizing!
SORRY
I knows it isn't meant for me Floo...but seeing as you owe me a few I will pretend it is.
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Floo, Outrider:
One of the key Biblical principles is that we all have genetic faults and by soothing and calming our genetic health via God's Love, Dynamic Energy, Jesus Christ's accurate teaching...we can address those problems in a scientific/Biblical way.
Oh dear! AAAHHH! ::)
Floo
will you please edit this down it is playing Hail Columbia with the page sizing!
SORRY
I knows it isn't meant for me Floo...but seeing as ou owe me a few I will pretend it is.
Apologies for what NM?
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Ain't it marvellous!
These Christians believe in their god, but mine, according to them, is a figment fo my imagination.
My belief in the cycle of Birth, Life, Death and rebirth is a load of rubbish, but they believe a man can be dead and come back from the dead!
And they call ME hypocrite!
It strikes me Owlswing that you are part way there. Why not read the Gospels and find out how an indestructible energy can be upbuilt within your own flesh and blood and carry your own profile into a new generation...courtesy of Jesus Christ.
To understand it all you will need a solid understanding in 'the Grand Unification of All Universal forces' and many here are finding it hard to grasp so perhaps faith will be more appropriate.
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Ain't it marvellous!
These Christians believe in their god, but mine, according to them, is a figment fo my imagination.
My belief in the cycle of Birth, Life, Death and rebirth is a load of rubbish, but they believe a man can be dead and come back from the dead!
And they call ME hypocrite!
It strikes me Owlswing that you are part way there. Why not read the Gospels and find out how an indestructible energy can be upbuilt within your own flesh and blood and carry your own profile into a new generation...courtesy of Jesus Christ.
To understand it all you will need a solid understanding in 'the Grand Unification of All Universal forces' and many here are finding it hard to grasp so perhaps faith will be more appropriate.
Oh NM, you really bring a smile to my face on such a windy day, your posts are so amusing. ;D
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Ain't it marvellous!
These Christians believe in their god, but mine, according to them, is a figment fo my imagination.
My belief in the cycle of Birth, Life, Death and rebirth is a load of rubbish, but they believe a man can be dead and come back from the dead!
And they call ME hypocrite!
It strikes me Owlswing that you are part way there. Why not read the Gospels and find out how an indestructible energy can be upbuilt within your own flesh and blood and carry your own profile into a new generation...courtesy of Jesus Christ.
To understand it all you will need a solid understanding in 'the Grand Unification of All Universal forces' and many here are finding it hard to grasp so perhaps faith will be more appropriate.
Or a straight jacket!
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Ain't it marvellous!
These Christians believe in their god, but mine, according to them, is a figment fo my imagination.
My belief in the cycle of Birth, Life, Death and rebirth is a load of rubbish, but they believe a man can be dead and come back from the dead!
And they call ME hypocrite!
It strikes me Owlswing that you are part way there. Why not read the Gospels and find out how an indestructible energy can be upbuilt within your own flesh and blood and carry your own profile into a new generation...courtesy of Jesus Christ.
To understand it all you will need a solid understanding in 'the Grand Unification of All Universal forces' and many here are finding it hard to grasp so perhaps faith will be more appropriate.
Oh NM, you really bring a smile to my face on such a windy day, your posts are so amusing. ;D
Well, there is no sense in getting wound-up about the forthcoming...'great tribulations'...especially if we are in receipt of a solid promise given by the highest authority in the universe...Floo.
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Ain't it marvellous!
These Christians believe in their god, but mine, according to them, is a figment fo my imagination.
My belief in the cycle of Birth, Life, Death and rebirth is a load of rubbish, but they believe a man can be dead and come back from the dead!
And they call ME hypocrite!
It strikes me Owlswing that you are part way there. Why not read the Gospels and find out how an indestructible energy can be upbuilt within your own flesh and blood and carry your own profile into a new generation...courtesy of Jesus Christ.
To understand it all you will need a solid understanding in 'the Grand Unification of All Universal forces' and many here are finding it hard to grasp so perhaps faith will be more appropriate.
Oh NM, you really bring a smile to my face on such a windy day, your posts are so amusing. ;D
Well, there is no sense in getting wound-up about the forthcoming...'great tribulations'...especially if we are in receipt of a solid promise given by the highest authority in the universe...Floo.
You are right, darling NM, there is no point in getting wound up about something which is highly unlikely to happen. :D
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Ain't it marvellous!
These Christians believe in their god, but mine, according to them, is a figment fo my imagination.
My belief in the cycle of Birth, Life, Death and rebirth is a load of rubbish, but they believe a man can be dead and come back from the dead!
And they call ME hypocrite!
It strikes me Owlswing that you are part way there. Why not read the Gospels and find out how an indestructible energy can be upbuilt within your own flesh and blood and carry your own profile into a new generation...courtesy of Jesus Christ.
To understand it all you will need a solid understanding in 'the Grand Unification of All Universal forces' and many here are finding it hard to grasp so perhaps faith will be more appropriate.
Oh NM, you really bring a smile to my face on such a windy day, your posts are so amusing. ;D
Well, there is no sense in getting wound-up about the forthcoming...'great tribulations'...especially if we are in receipt of a solid promise given by the highest authority in the universe...Floo.
You are right, darling NM, there is no point in getting wound up about something which is highly unlikely to happen. :D
There are those amongst us who might say it is already happening Floo...me included. Perhaps that is why resurrection is so important in this day and age...it is the only hope for some...but fortunately you will have no need for such things even if science will be proven lacking in this level of advanced knowledge that explains atoms, explains life, explains health and explains Almighty God...and, dare I say it...makes Jesus Christ the most special and most wonderful person who has ever lived on this planet and who resides even now, in Heaven, sitting at the right hand pf his father...Almighty God...hoping that even you will grasp this last chance.
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Ain't it marvellous!
These Christians believe in their god, but mine, according to them, is a figment fo my imagination.
My belief in the cycle of Birth, Life, Death and rebirth is a load of rubbish, but they believe a man can be dead and come back from the dead!
And they call ME hypocrite!
It strikes me Owlswing that you are part way there. Why not read the Gospels and find out how an indestructible energy can be upbuilt within your own flesh and blood and carry your own profile into a new generation...courtesy of Jesus Christ.
To understand it all you will need a solid understanding in 'the Grand Unification of All Universal forces' and many here are finding it hard to grasp so perhaps faith will be more appropriate.
Oh NM, you really bring a smile to my face on such a windy day, your posts are so amusing. ;D
Well, there is no sense in getting wound-up about the forthcoming...'great tribulations'...especially if we are in receipt of a solid promise given by the highest authority in the universe...Floo.
You are right, darling NM, there is no point in getting wound up about something which is highly unlikely to happen. :D
There are those amongst us who might say it is already happening Floo...me included. Perhaps that is why resurrection is so important in this day and age...it is the only hope for some...but fortunately you will have no need for such things even if science will be proven lacking in this level of advanced knowledge that explains atoms, explains life, explains health and explains Almighty God...and, dare I say it...makes Jesus Christ the most special and most wonderful person who has ever lived on this planet and who resides even now, in Heaven, sitting at the right hand pf his father...Almighty God...hoping that even you will grasp this last chance.
There have always been trials and tribulations since humans first climbed out of the primeval swamp. Sometimes there is an upsurge in the world's problems, and then they settle down again for a while. These days we have instant access to what is going on all over the world in a way we didn't have before, so we know about the problems everyone else is having as well as our own.
I am not sure why you keep dragging science into a mere belief?
As for Jesus he was human like the rest of with faults and failings. Some of the deeds attributed to him didn't show him up in a very good light! He might have had a charismatic personality like others before and since, hence his followers. However, I don't believe any of the scenarios like miracles and the resurrection had any basis in fact, when he died he stayed dead, imo. There is not a shred of evidence to prove otherwise.
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Ain't it marvellous!
These Christians believe in their god, but mine, according to them, is a figment fo my imagination.
My belief in the cycle of Birth, Life, Death and rebirth is a load of rubbish, but they believe a man can be dead and come back from the dead!
And they call ME hypocrite!
It strikes me Owlswing that you are part way there. Why not read the Gospels and find out how an indestructible energy can be upbuilt within your own flesh and blood and carry your own profile into a new generation...courtesy of Jesus Christ.
To understand it all you will need a solid understanding in 'the Grand Unification of All Universal forces' and many here are finding it hard to grasp so perhaps faith will be more appropriate.
Oh NM, you really bring a smile to my face on such a windy day, your posts are so amusing. ;D
Well, there is no sense in getting wound-up about the forthcoming...'great tribulations'...especially if we are in receipt of a solid promise given by the highest authority in the universe...Floo.
You are right, darling NM, there is no point in getting wound up about something which is highly unlikely to happen. :D
There are those amongst us who might say it is already happening Floo...me included. Perhaps that is why resurrection is so important in this day and age...it is the only hope for some...but fortunately you will have no need for such things even if science will be proven lacking in this level of advanced knowledge that explains atoms, explains life, explains health and explains Almighty God...and, dare I say it...makes Jesus Christ the most special and most wonderful person who has ever lived on this planet and who resides even now, in Heaven, sitting at the right hand pf his father...Almighty God...hoping that even you will grasp this last chance.
There have always been trials and tribulations since humans first climbed out of the primeval swamp. Sometimes there is an upsurge in the world's problems, and then they settle down again for a while. These days we have instant access to what is going on all over the world in a way we didn't have before, so we know about the problems everyone else is having as well as our own.
I am not sure why you keep dragging science into a mere belief?
As for Jesus he was human like the rest of with faults and failings. Some of the deeds attributed to him didn't show him up in a very good light! He might have had a charismatic personality like others before and since, hence his followers. However, I don't believe any of the scenarios like miracles and the resurrection had any basis in fact, when he died he stayed dead, imo. There is not a shred of evidence to prove otherwise.
The shred of evidence Floo is the indestructible and superabundant 'dynamic energy' which erupted into all the stars and all the forces known to man. It is the science you believe in that is telling you this but the science that your science cannot yet comprehend is telling you that this planet is heading to a tipping point into total chaos. This will serve as a Judgment on all those who have either lived according to righteous laws or according to the not so righteous laws because it is the ability to show righteous obedience to the key scientific principles that support resurrection and everlasting life which will determine whether we are resurrected or retained in the eternal state of damnation...with no reprieve. Such is the complexity of being the living bi-product of indestructible forces.
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Ain't it marvellous!
These Christians believe in their god, but mine, according to them, is a figment fo my imagination.
My belief in the cycle of Birth, Life, Death and rebirth is a load of rubbish, but they believe a man can be dead and come back from the dead!
And they call ME hypocrite!
It strikes me Owlswing that you are part way there. Why not read the Gospels and find out how an indestructible energy can be upbuilt within your own flesh and blood and carry your own profile into a new generation...courtesy of Jesus Christ.
To understand it all you will need a solid understanding in 'the Grand Unification of All Universal forces' and many here are finding it hard to grasp so perhaps faith will be more appropriate.
Oh NM, you really bring a smile to my face on such a windy day, your posts are so amusing. ;D
Well, there is no sense in getting wound-up about the forthcoming...'great tribulations'...especially if we are in receipt of a solid promise given by the highest authority in the universe...Floo.
You are right, darling NM, there is no point in getting wound up about something which is highly unlikely to happen. :D
There are those amongst us who might say it is already happening Floo...me included. Perhaps that is why resurrection is so important in this day and age...it is the only hope for some...but fortunately you will have no need for such things even if science will be proven lacking in this level of advanced knowledge that explains atoms, explains life, explains health and explains Almighty God...and, dare I say it...makes Jesus Christ the most special and most wonderful person who has ever lived on this planet and who resides even now, in Heaven, sitting at the right hand pf his father...Almighty God...hoping that even you will grasp this last chance.
There have always been trials and tribulations since humans first climbed out of the primeval swamp. Sometimes there is an upsurge in the world's problems, and then they settle down again for a while. These days we have instant access to what is going on all over the world in a way we didn't have before, so we know about the problems everyone else is having as well as our own.
I am not sure why you keep dragging science into a mere belief?
As for Jesus he was human like the rest of with faults and failings. Some of the deeds attributed to him didn't show him up in a very good light! He might have had a charismatic personality like others before and since, hence his followers. However, I don't believe any of the scenarios like miracles and the resurrection had any basis in fact, when he died he stayed dead, imo. There is not a shred of evidence to prove otherwise.
"Settle down"? There have only been 12 years in recorded history when there was not a war going on somewhere. When did thing settle down in the last hundred years?
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Ain't it marvellous!
These Christians believe in their god, but mine, according to them, is a figment fo my imagination.
My belief in the cycle of Birth, Life, Death and rebirth is a load of rubbish, but they believe a man can be dead and come back from the dead!
And they call ME hypocrite!
It strikes me Owlswing that you are part way there. Why not read the Gospels and find out how an indestructible energy can be upbuilt within your own flesh and blood and carry your own profile into a new generation...courtesy of Jesus Christ.
To understand it all you will need a solid understanding in 'the Grand Unification of All Universal forces' and many here are finding it hard to grasp so perhaps faith will be more appropriate.
Oh NM, you really bring a smile to my face on such a windy day, your posts are so amusing. ;D
Well, there is no sense in getting wound-up about the forthcoming...'great tribulations'...especially if we are in receipt of a solid promise given by the highest authority in the universe...Floo.
You are right, darling NM, there is no point in getting wound up about something which is highly unlikely to happen. :D
There are those amongst us who might say it is already happening Floo...me included. Perhaps that is why resurrection is so important in this day and age...it is the only hope for some...but fortunately you will have no need for such things even if science will be proven lacking in this level of advanced knowledge that explains atoms, explains life, explains health and explains Almighty God...and, dare I say it...makes Jesus Christ the most special and most wonderful person who has ever lived on this planet and who resides even now, in Heaven, sitting at the right hand pf his father...Almighty God...hoping that even you will grasp this last chance.
There have always been trials and tribulations since humans first climbed out of the primeval swamp. Sometimes there is an upsurge in the world's problems, and then they settle down again for a while. These days we have instant access to what is going on all over the world in a way we didn't have before, so we know about the problems everyone else is having as well as our own.
I am not sure why you keep dragging science into a mere belief?
As for Jesus he was human like the rest of with faults and failings. Some of the deeds attributed to him didn't show him up in a very good light! He might have had a charismatic personality like others before and since, hence his followers. However, I don't believe any of the scenarios like miracles and the resurrection had any basis in fact, when he died he stayed dead, imo. There is not a shred of evidence to prove otherwise.
The shred of evidence Floo is the indestructible and superabundant 'dynamic energy' which erupted into all the stars and all the forces known to man. It is the science you believe in that is telling you this but the science that your science cannot yet comprehend is telling you that this planet is heading to a tipping point into total chaos. This will serve as a Judgment on all those who have either lived according to righteous laws or according to the not so righteous laws because it is the ability to show righteous obedience to the key scientific principles that support resurrection and everlasting life which will determine whether we are resurrected or retained in the eternal state of damnation...with no reprieve. Such is the complexity of being the living bi-product of indestructible forces.
That isn't evidence for any sort of deity, NM! ::)
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Ain't it marvellous!
These Christians believe in their god, but mine, according to them, is a figment fo my imagination.
My belief in the cycle of Birth, Life, Death and rebirth is a load of rubbish, but they believe a man can be dead and come back from the dead!
And they call ME hypocrite!
It strikes me Owlswing that you are part way there. Why not read the Gospels and find out how an indestructible energy can be upbuilt within your own flesh and blood and carry your own profile into a new generation...courtesy of Jesus Christ.
To understand it all you will need a solid understanding in 'the Grand Unification of All Universal forces' and many here are finding it hard to grasp so perhaps faith will be more appropriate.
Oh NM, you really bring a smile to my face on such a windy day, your posts are so amusing. ;D
Well, there is no sense in getting wound-up about the forthcoming...'great tribulations'...especially if we are in receipt of a solid promise given by the highest authority in the universe...Floo.
You are right, darling NM, there is no point in getting wound up about something which is highly unlikely to happen. :D
There are those amongst us who might say it is already happening Floo...me included. Perhaps that is why resurrection is so important in this day and age...it is the only hope for some...but fortunately you will have no need for such things even if science will be proven lacking in this level of advanced knowledge that explains atoms, explains life, explains health and explains Almighty God...and, dare I say it...makes Jesus Christ the most special and most wonderful person who has ever lived on this planet and who resides even now, in Heaven, sitting at the right hand pf his father...Almighty God...hoping that even you will grasp this last chance.
There have always been trials and tribulations since humans first climbed out of the primeval swamp. Sometimes there is an upsurge in the world's problems, and then they settle down again for a while. These days we have instant access to what is going on all over the world in a way we didn't have before, so we know about the problems everyone else is having as well as our own.
I am not sure why you keep dragging science into a mere belief?
As for Jesus he was human like the rest of with faults and failings. Some of the deeds attributed to him didn't show him up in a very good light! He might have had a charismatic personality like others before and since, hence his followers. However, I don't believe any of the scenarios like miracles and the resurrection had any basis in fact, when he died he stayed dead, imo. There is not a shred of evidence to prove otherwise.
The shred of evidence Floo is the indestructible and superabundant 'dynamic energy' which erupted into all the stars and all the forces known to man. It is the science you believe in that is telling you this but the science that your science cannot yet comprehend is telling you that this planet is heading to a tipping point into total chaos. This will serve as a Judgment on all those who have either lived according to righteous laws or according to the not so righteous laws because it is the ability to show righteous obedience to the key scientific principles that support resurrection and everlasting life which will determine whether we are resurrected or retained in the eternal state of damnation...with no reprieve. Such is the complexity of being the living bi-product of indestructible forces.
That isn't evidence for any sort of deity, NM! ::)
You must surely get bored by your own dreary and repetitive posting!
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Floo, Outrider:
One of the key Biblical principles is that we all have genetic faults and by soothing and calming our genetic health via God's Love, Dynamic Energy, Jesus Christ's accurate teaching...we can address those problems in a scientific/Biblical way.
Oh dear! AAAHHH! ::)
Thanks Floo!
T'was our esteemed moderator.
Thanks and sorry Esteemed Moderator!
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Ain't it marvellous!
These Christians believe in their god, but mine, according to them, is a figment fo my imagination.
My belief in the cycle of Birth, Life, Death and rebirth is a load of rubbish, but they believe a man can be dead and come back from the dead!
And they call ME hypocrite!
It strikes me Owlswing that you are part way there. Why not read the Gospels and find out how an indestructible energy can be upbuilt within your own flesh and blood and carry your own profile into a new generation...courtesy of Jesus Christ.
To understand it all you will need a solid understanding in 'the Grand Unification of All Universal forces' and many here are finding it hard to grasp so perhaps faith will be more appropriate.
I don't need to go back over a load of rubbish (the holy bible) that iI rejected at age 15! It was rubbish then and it is rubbish now - your belief in your deity has as much validity as does mine. All scientific mumbo-jumbo in the world will never, ever, change that!
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Moderator:
We seem to be en route to another sniping session - so it stops now gents.
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Moderator:
BA - I suggest you read my most recent post.
Update - I've decided to remove the offending posts from disrupting this thread, having done this twice in recent days. Will those indulging in personal sniping for the sake of it please cease.
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Moderator:
BA - I suggest you read my most recent post.
Update - I've decided to remove the offending posts from disrupting this thread, having done this twice in recent days. Will those indulging in personal sniping for the sake of it please cease.
Point taken, though I notice , for what it's worth, that M125, a highly offensive comment, is left unchecked.
Moderator:
Perhaps you should be more concerned about your own recent posting since this is the third thread in so many days from which I moved some of your posts.
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Hasn't anyone ever told you that by sin the worst possible genetic fault...death...came into the world and that all genetic faults spring from it.
Yes, people have told me that. People have also told me that Voldemort is coming.
That is how we can be certain that following Jesus Christ's righteous science we can pay back for (repair) our sins.
Because someone told us? That's your threshold for accepting claims? On an unrelated note, I have a bridge to sell...
Time to start listening to the science that everything is a manifestation of the same scientific cause...God's fountain of living waters---or if you prefer...God's 'dynamic energy'. A property that stares us in the face every day by virtue of our very own star.
No, it's time for you to go and learn what science is, then either come back and demonstrate how this is science or rebrand it appropriately.
O.
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Getting back to the topic of 'resurrection', I reckon the resurrection of Jesus wasn't a physical coming back to life but a virtual one in the minds of his followers.
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Getting back to the topic of 'resurrection', I reckon the resurrection of Jesus wasn't a physical coming back to life but a virtual one in the minds of his followers.
Or possibly not even that, possibly just a creation on the page by those followers as an attempt to add significance by adopting older myths and legends like Mithras and Osiris.
It was a time of widespread credulity and superstition, and the normal way to gain celebrity for heroes was to ascribe superhuman feats to them. That they chose resurrection, feeding thousands, healing the sick etc. as those superhuman feats speaks well of their (and, implicitly, his) philosophy, but it doesn't change the likelihood that it's a construction.
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Getting back to the topic of 'resurrection', I reckon the resurrection of Jesus wasn't a physical coming back to life but a virtual one in the minds of his followers.
Or possibly not even that, possibly just a creation on the page by those followers as an attempt to add significance by adopting older myths and legends like Mithras and Osiris.
It was a time of widespread credulity and superstition, and the normal way to gain celebrity for heroes was to ascribe superhuman feats to them. That they chose resurrection, feeding thousands, healing the sick etc. as those superhuman feats speaks well of their (and, implicitly, his) philosophy, but it doesn't change the likelihood that it's a construction.
O.
Yet the Mithras and Osiris stories were and remain very different to the Christian resurrection story. Osiris was 'usually identified as the god of the afterlife, the underworld, and the dead, but more appropriately as the god of transition, resurrection, and regeneration' (wikipedia). The story of Mithras is so hidden in conjecture that we don't really know what it was all about. Some of the rituals may have appearred to be similar, but few if any Mithraic rituals had any similarity of purpose to Christian ones.
Perhaps you can explain how the apostles - Jews, rather than Romans or Egyptians - were abole to develop this very differnt religion out of these, other, alien ideas.
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Yet the Mithras and Osiris stories were and remain very different to the Christian resurrection story. Osiris was 'usually identified as the god of the afterlife, the underworld, and the dead, but more appropriately as the god of transition, resurrection, and regeneration' (wikipedia). The story of Mithras is so hidden in conjecture that we don't really know what it was all about. Some of the rituals may have appearred to be similar, but few if any Mithraic rituals had any similarity of purpose to Christian ones.
I didn't say they co-opted it in its entirety, I just said they may have taken the idea of resurrection from there.
Perhaps you can explain how the apostles - Jews, rather than Romans or Egyptians - were abole to develop this very differnt religion out of these, other, alien ideas.
By mixing a variety of inputs from various sources - some creditable ethical philosophy, some Old Testament barbarity, a sprinkling of cultural misogyny, racism and homophobia and some borrowed magical elements.
The same way, really, anyone mixes the seven basic stories into a unique combination.
O.
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I didn't say they co-opted it in its entirety, I just said they may have taken the idea of resurrection from there.
By mixing a variety of inputs from various sources - some creditable ethical philosophy, some Old Testament barbarity, a sprinkling of cultural misogyny, racism and homophobia and some borrowed magical elements.
The same way, really, anyone mixes the seven basic stories into a unique combination.
O.
But the biblical account are not a mixture of anything - it is the revealed word of God! Isn't it?
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But the biblical account are not a mixture of anything - it is the revealed word of God! Isn't it?
So, I've heard, are the Qu'ran and the Book of Mormon... Maybe there's just a lot of gods? Or, maybe, there's just one god with some sort of multiple personality disorder?
O.
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I didn't say they co-opted it in its entirety, I just said they may have taken the idea of resurrection from there.
I doubt it, since the idea actually existed in Judaism. Not particularly strongly, but it does feature in the OT.
Perhaps you can explain how the apostles - Jews, rather than Romans or Egyptians - were abole to develop this very differnt religion out of these, other, alien ideas.
By mixing a variety of inputs from various sources - some creditable ethical philosophy, some Old Testament barbarity, a sprinkling of cultural misogyny, racism and homophobia and some borrowed magical elements.
The same way, really, anyone mixes the seven basic stories into a unique combination.
O.
OK, if that's the case, where is the rascism in Jesus' or the apostles' teaching? Where, for that matter, is the barbarity you refer to? Where's the misogyny? Where are the magical elements? Where is the homophobia?
refences are required not just throw away comments like the ones above that indicate that you haven't actually looked to see whether the issue is even mentioned.
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I doubt it, since the idea actually existed in Judaism. Not particularly strongly, but it does feature in the OT.
And where, I wonder, did they inherit it from?
OK, if that's the case, where is the rascism in Jesus' or the apostles' teaching?
Apart from their reinforcement of the Old Testament idea of the Jews being a chosen people?
Where, for that matter, is the barbarity you refer to?
"Do not imagine I have come to bring peace... I have come with a sword" ... "Those who bear bad fruit will be cut down and burned "with unquenchable fire" .... Jesus says that we should fear God who is willing and "able to destroy both soul and body in hell"
Where's the misogyny?
Jesus says that divorce is permissible when the wife is guilty of fornication. But what if the husband is unfaithful? Jesus doesn't seem to care about that. Paul explains that "the natural use" of women is to act as sexual objects for the pleasure of men (Romans 1:27). "Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man" ... Women are to dress modestly, "with shamefacedness" ...
Where are the magical elements?
Walking on water, turning the water into wine, feeding the five thousand, curing lepers by touch, raising Lazarus from the dead, resurrecting
Where is the homophobia?
"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." (Corinthians 6:9-10)
"We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11 that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me." (1 Timothy 1:8-11)
O.
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Outrider:
One of the key facts missing from your analysis is that the kingdom of God, whether on planet Earth or in Heaven is a sin free zone. Not just will there be none of those traits you are quick to mention there will be no genetic error in the flesh of righteous men and women. This will be because the way, the truth and the life of Jesus Christ is a scientific code of genetic repair...not just repair at our own level of existence but a repair of all the sinful behaviour exhibited on the world stage.
There will be those who can't see the wonderful benefits this will bring and will be outspoken against all who have this righteous hope...these are the ones who Jesus says will be cut off. He makes no apologies for this...the world is in a terrible state and many are screaming out to Almighty God and Jesus Christ for help but like the wonderful, fair and honest God he is he is waiting for all those who can, to repent, knowing that resurrection will wipe away all the tears from our eyes...and because of the indestructible, electric nature of the universe the Biblically structured, righteous spirit, has Jesus Christ's personal guarantee.
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Outrider:
One of the key facts missing from your analysis is that the kingdom of God, whether on planet Earth or in Heaven is a sin free zone. Not just will there be none of those traits you are quick to mention there will be no genetic error in the flesh of righteous men and women. This will be because the way, the truth and the life of Jesus Christ is a scientific code of genetic repair...not just repair at our own level of existence but a repair of all the sinful behaviour exhibited on the world stage.
There will be those who can't see the wonderful benefits this will bring and will be outspoken against all who have this righteous hope...these are the ones who Jesus says will be cut off. He makes no apologies for this...the world is in a terrible state and many are screaming out to Almighty God and Jesus Christ for help but like the wonderful, fair and honest God he is he is waiting for all those who can, to repent, knowing that resurrection will wipe away all the tears from our eyes...and because of the indestructible, electric nature of the universe the Biblically structured, righteous spirit, has Jesus Christ's personal guarantee.
NM as has been said before you make it up as you go along. You state as fact something for which there is no evidence, just what you want to believe to be true! ::)
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One of the key facts missing from your analysis is that the kingdom of God, whether on planet Earth or in Heaven is a sin free zone.
Nothing's missing from my 'analysis', because you've offered nothing that can be analysed. You've made unwarranted assertion after unwarranted assertion - here you introduce another evidence-free little tidbit, 'sin'. You've not demonstrated 'heaven', you've missed out the science in your unifiying account of science, you've asserted God and you think that adding another baseless idea will somehow rectify this?
Not just will there be none of those traits you are quick to mention there will be no genetic error in the flesh of righteous men and women.
Given that your previous depictions of 'righteousness' appear to be about accepting an arbitrary interpretation of one old book, I fail to see how that relates to genetic errors in people, which can occur before they're even capable of reading in order to (mis)interpret.
This will be because the way, the truth and the life of Jesus Christ is a scientific code of genetic repair...not just repair at our own level of existence but a repair of all the sinful behaviour exhibited on the world stage.
Why do you keep undermining your own good intentions by pretending like you have a clue about science? If you think this is science, learn some science so that you can either realise it isn't or explain it as a science.
There will be those who can't see the wonderful benefits this will bring and will be outspoken against all who have this righteous hope...these are the ones who Jesus says will be cut off.
That rather depends what you think will be the 'wonderful benefits'. If you mean the world will be a nicer, calmer, more equitable place I agree, and that would be great. If you're going to jibber unmitigated nonsense about unevidenced next-lives, why bother - we have a world here that needs work, let's fix that until and unless you can actually come up with anything to give justification to thinking there might be another.
He makes no apologies for this...the world is in a terrible state and many are screaming out to Almighty God and Jesus Christ for help but like the wonderful, fair and honest God he is he is waiting for all those who can, to repent, knowing that resurrection will wipe away all the tears from our eyes...and because of the indestructible, electric nature of the universe the Biblically structured, righteous spirit, has Jesus Christ's personal guarantee.
The world is not in a terrible state - it could be better, but we have a more than adequate history that shows it has been much, much worse. All the rest of this is just baseless daydreaming.
O.
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NM has been asked to state what qualifications he has in science but as far as I am aware hasn't answered that question. Therefore it would appear that he hasn't any, and science is just a word he erroneously attaches to his very imaginative version of Christianity.
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NM has been asked to state what qualifications he has in science but as far as I am aware hasn't answered that question. Therefore it would appear that he hasn't any, and science is just a word he erroneously attaches to his very imaginative version of Christianity.
I think he does it because he knows that science is a good pathway to truth.
He thinks that by trying to associate his assertions with this well proven method, it will give his meaningless waffle more weight.
The fact he knows nothing about science, makes his efforts look pathetic, and somewhat sad.
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NM has been asked to state what qualifications he has in science but as far as I am aware hasn't answered that question. Therefore it would appear that he hasn't any, and science is just a word he erroneously attaches to his very imaginative version of Christianity.
As when BA was touting his years of study as somehow an argument, I think the possible lack of qualifications is a red herring. You should just deal with the arguments, not indulge in Look at my certificate and your lack of one.
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Outrider, Floo:
Thanks for that Nearly Sane...I have made no secret that my inspiration comes exclusively from the Holy Bible.
Because I am starting from the Biblically inspired point of view that the entire mass in the universe is the result of God's 'dynamic energy,' I have used it in my calculations and can see that Jesus is talking about the same stuff. I shouldn't really call it 'stuff' because in its entirety it is the spiritual flesh and blood of Almighty God and this is why he said he made everything...He is the living mouth-piece of all that energy.
Now, if we can unify the highest knowledge that science has pulled together calling them the key forces in the universe, then we have overtaken the knowledge-base of current modern science which is where Almighty God's and Jesus' sciences begin...and I make no apologies for that.
The rest is simply an analysis of the facts...not the least being that somehow space vehicles are entering our air-space displaying sciences we cannot even comprehend yet we can be outspoken against an authority that says he is the only force that can control them.
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Outrider, Floo:
Thanks for that Nearly Sane...I have made no secret that my inspiration comes exclusively from the Holy Bible.
Because I am starting from the Biblically inspired point of view that the entire mass in the universe is the result of God's 'dynamic energy,' I have used it in my calculations and can see that Jesus is talking about the same stuff. I shouldn't really call it 'stuff' because in its entirety it is the spiritual flesh and blood of Almighty God and this is why he said he made everything...He is the living mouth-piece of all that energy.
Now, if we can unify the highest knowledge that science has pulled together calling them the key forces in the universe, then we have overtaken the knowledge-base of current modern science which is where Almighty God's and Jesus' sciences begin...and I make no apologies for that.
The rest is simply an analysis of the facts...not the least being that somehow space vehicles are entering our air-space displaying sciences we cannot even comprehend yet we can be outspoken against an authority that says he is the only force that can control them.
Calculations?
Can you show your workings?
I am no mathematician, but I am sure there are people on the forum who are.
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Outrider, Floo:
Thanks for that Nearly Sane...I have made no secret that my inspiration comes exclusively from the Holy Bible.
Because I am starting from the Biblically inspired point of view that the entire mass in the universe is the result of God's 'dynamic energy,' I have used it in my calculations and can see that Jesus is talking about the same stuff. I shouldn't really call it 'stuff' because in its entirety it is the spiritual flesh and blood of Almighty God and this is why he said he made everything...He is the living mouth-piece of all that energy.
Now, if we can unify the highest knowledge that science has pulled together calling them the key forces in the universe, then we have overtaken the knowledge-base of current modern science which is where Almighty God's and Jesus' sciences begin...and I make no apologies for that.
The rest is simply an analysis of the facts...not the least being that somehow space vehicles are entering our air-space displaying sciences we cannot even comprehend yet we can be outspoken against an authority that says he is the only force that can control them.
The Bible is NOT science!
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Thanks for that Nearly Sane...I have made no secret that my inspiration comes exclusively from the Holy Bible.
And yet you claim science.
Because I am starting from the Biblically inspired point of view that the entire mass in the universe is the result of God's 'dynamic energy,' I have used it in my calculations and can see that Jesus is talking about the same stuff.
I'll forgo asking to see these 'calculations'. Science does not being with an 'inspired point of view'. It starts with observable phenomena and attempts to derive patterns and connections from these. God, Jesus (at least the magical depiction in the New Testament), and Biblically referenced 'Dynamic Energy' are not observable phenomena.
I shouldn't really call it 'stuff' because in its entirety it is the spiritual flesh and blood of Almighty God and this is why he said he made everything...He is the living mouth-piece of all that energy.
'Spiritual' is not a scientifically recognised term.
Now, if we can unify the highest knowledge that science has pulled together calling them the key forces in the universe, then we have overtaken the knowledge-base of current modern science which is where Almighty God's and Jesus' sciences begin...and I make no apologies for that.
The 'highest knowledge that science has pulled together' is the knowledge-base of current modern science. You don't need to apologise for this, it hasn't happened.
The rest is simply an analysis of the facts...not the least being that somehow space vehicles are entering our air-space displaying sciences we cannot even comprehend yet we can be outspoken against an authority that says he is the only force that can control them.
Fact: "You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means". Likewise 'science'.
O.
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Calculations?
Can you show your workings?
I am no mathematician, but I am sure there are people on the forum who are.
When you try to trip someone up you shouldn't wear such big clumsy boots, BeRational.
Calculations don't have to be mathematical. They just have to be logical and work over and over again.
Here is one of my calculations...That all the mechanics of the universe are a powerful reaction between the conflicts of two, separate, dimensional forces. This includes gravity, the Higgs, electromagnetic force and life itself. Now, you can show your disregard for the owner of these forces as much as you want but it will not snatch away that ownership and it will not bring you the wonderful fruits they offer...which includes resurrection.
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When you try to trip someone up you shouldn't wear such big clumsy boots, BeRational.
Calculations don't have to be mathematical. They just have to be logical and work over and over again.
Here is one of my calculations...That all the mechanics of the universe are a powerful reaction between the conflicts of two, separate, dimensional forces. This includes gravity, the Higgs, electromagnetic force and life itself. Now, you can show your disregard for the owner of these forces as much as you want but it will not snatch away that ownership and it will not bring you the wonderful fruits they offer...which includes resurrection.
What is gravity?
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When you try to trip someone up you shouldn't wear such big clumsy boots, BeRational.
Calculations don't have to be mathematical. They just have to be logical and work over and over again.
Here is one of my calculations...That all the mechanics of the universe are a powerful reaction between the conflicts of two, separate, dimensional forces. This includes gravity, the Higgs, electromagnetic force and life itself. Now, you can show your disregard for the owner of these forces as much as you want but it will not snatch away that ownership and it will not bring you the wonderful fruits they offer...which includes resurrection.
You can't prove there is any owner of those forces! ::)
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Calculations don't have to be mathematical. They just have to be logical and work over and over again.
Mathematics is, arguably, a branch of logic. In the typical use of the word, calculations are done mathematically - if people have misunderstood your intent that's on you as the communicator.
Here is one of my calculations...That all the mechanics of the universe are a powerful reaction between the conflicts of two, separate, dimensional forces. This includes gravity, the Higgs, electromagnetic force and life itself.
How do these two fundamental forces interact? How do you differentiate between 'the Higgs' and gravity? Where do the strong and weak nuclear forces come into this? What makes you categorise 'life' alongside these recognised forces?
Now, you can show your disregard for the owner of these forces as much as you want but it will not snatch away that ownership and it will not bring you the wonderful fruits they offer...which includes resurrection.
I can't help but disregard something that you've yet to give any reason for thinking is real.
O.