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Religion and Ethics Discussion => Christian Topic => Topic started by: NicholasMarks on November 14, 2015, 12:29:37 PM
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The Meek Will Inherit the Earth
If we analyse the problems of today’s world we find that everyone is so wound up. This means that people have no nervous stamina. They are on a short fuse because it is this strength that gives us patience, caring, good order and the desire to improve.
Two questions…
Where has all this strength gone?? And, How can we get it back??
I have only one answer…This invisible strength is also our spiritual strength and we must follow Jesus Christ accurately if we want to benefit from the same mechanics he teaches, of which, resurrection, and everlasting life, are perhaps the best known…but there is much more.
We must accurately restore Jesus to his true, righteous status, in our own individual lives...and we must verify what is written, with our own individual logic, because righteousness, works, by being truthful whereas men can alter things.
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Oh well that is me stuffed, I don't think I could be described as meek! ;D
Blimey NM are you feeling OK? A post without mentioning science or dynamic energy. ;D
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To paraphrase Mark Twain's comment on the phrase: " Yes ... and let's see just how long they hang on to it."
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To paraphrase Mark Twain's comment on the phrase: " Yes ... and let's see just how long they hang on to it."
The meek shall inherit the earth.............How prophetic that turns out to be particularly in it's use of the term inherit. It flies in the face of the Darwinian prescription to state the humane of humanity succeeds in the end and is more powerful on the journey. By the Darwinian prescription I mean the exercise of power in the Neitszchian sense.
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It flies in the face of the Darwinian prescription to state the humane of humanity succeeds in the end and is more powerful on the journey. By the Darwinian prescription I mean the exercise of power in the Neitszchian sense.
So absolutely nothing to do with Darwin or the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection then.
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Shaker, Floo:
You are making the mistake of thinking that meek, here, means weak, indecisive, of no significance but Jesus is talking about the wise, the cautious, the considerate, the caring...You see these are the characteristics of those who are repairing their genetic health via God's righteous science...the science that Jesus delivered and the same one that expounds itself from the other side of the 'unified field forces' which is where Almighty God resides and invites the meek to share it with him.
All are invited but it seems not many will find its narrow gateway. That is why it is wise to listen to those who think they have.
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It flies in the face of the Darwinian prescription to state the humane of humanity succeeds in the end and is more powerful on the journey. By the Darwinian prescription I mean the exercise of power in the Neitszchian sense.
So absolutely nothing to do with Darwin or the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection then.
The neitszchian sense of the exercise of power as held by Shaker is exactly what his conception of what the Darwinian prescription is.....Ask Shaker himself whether he sees the Neitszchian superman as the fittest human who survives. read his entries.
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Shaker, Floo:
You are making the mistake of thinking that meek, here, means weak, indecisive, of no significance but Jesus is talking about the wise, the cautious, the considerate, the caring...You see these are the characteristics of those who are repairing their genetic health via God's righteous science...the science that Jesus delivered and the same one that expounds itself from the other side of the 'unified field forces' which is where Almighty God resides and invites the meek to share it with him.
All are invited but it seems not many will find its narrow gateway. That is why it is wise to listen to those who think they have.
NM was Jesus always cautious, considerate and caring? If the answer is yes then you are not reading the same Bible (NIV) as me!
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It flies in the face of the Darwinian prescription to state the humane of humanity succeeds in the end and is more powerful on the journey. By the Darwinian prescription I mean the exercise of power in the Neitszchian sense.
So absolutely nothing to do with Darwin or the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection then.
And bugger all to do with Nietzsche while we're at it.
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It flies in the face of the Darwinian prescription to state the humane of humanity succeeds in the end and is more powerful on the journey. By the Darwinian prescription I mean the exercise of power in the Neitszchian sense.
So absolutely nothing to do with Darwin or the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection then.
The neitszchian sense of the exercise of power as held by Shaker is exactly what his conception of what the Darwinian prescription is.....Ask Shaker himself whether he sees the Neitszchian superman as the fittest human who survives. read his entries.
If that is what Shaker thinks then it has, as I say, nothing to do with Darwin or the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection. Survival of the fittest is a misunderstood and misused term sadly.
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Shaker, Floo:
You are making the mistake of thinking that meek, here, means weak, indecisive, of no significance but Jesus is talking about the wise, the cautious, the considerate, the caring...You see these are the characteristics of those who are repairing their genetic health via God's righteous science...the science that Jesus delivered and the same one that expounds itself from the other side of the 'unified field forces' which is where Almighty God resides and invites the meek to share it with him.
All are invited but it seems not many will find its narrow gateway. That is why it is wise to listen to those who think they have.
NM was Jesus always cautious, considerate and caring? If the answer is yes then you are not reading the same Bible (NIV) as me!
Jesus was always living by righteousness. This is a code of practice that is guided by supporting our spiritual nature first hence ensuring that no spiritual energy is wasted. This is why he never sinned so that you can have a role model that fits every occasion and as you know some occasions are drastically worse than stubbing your big-toe on the bath. Some occasions really do demand resurrection to obtain any justice at all...all catered for in God's righteous sciences which you will grow to understand and comply with...if you want to spare yourself the burdens that will cause weeping and gnashing of teeth.
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Shaker, Floo:
You are making the mistake of thinking that meek, here, means weak, indecisive, of no significance but Jesus is talking about the wise, the cautious, the considerate, the caring...You see these are the characteristics of those who are repairing their genetic health via God's righteous science...the science that Jesus delivered and the same one that expounds itself from the other side of the 'unified field forces' which is where Almighty God resides and invites the meek to share it with him.
All are invited but it seems not many will find its narrow gateway. That is why it is wise to listen to those who think they have.
NM was Jesus always cautious, considerate and caring? If the answer is yes then you are not reading the same Bible (NIV) as me!
Jesus was always living by righteousness. This is a code of practice that is guided by supporting our spiritual nature first hence ensuring that no spiritual energy is wasted. This is why he never sinned so that you can have a role model that fits every occasion and as you know some occasions are drastically worse than stubbing your big-toe on the bath. Some occasions really do demand resurrection to obtain any justice at all...all catered for in God's righteous sciences which you will grow to understand and comply with...if you want to spare yourself the burdens that will cause weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Jesus was a mere human and had faults just like the rest of us. He had a temper, he was a vandal, he was arrogant, he indulged in silly hocus pocus like exorcism, he was responsible for animal cruelty by frightening those pigs over the cliff; there is no suggestion that he compensated the farmer for their loss! VERY SINLESS, NOT! ::)
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The Meek Will Inherit the Earth
When?
And has anybody asked them if they really want it?
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Shaker, Floo:
You are making the mistake of thinking that meek, here, means weak, indecisive, of no significance but Jesus is talking about the wise, the cautious, the considerate, the caring...You see these are the characteristics of those who are repairing their genetic health via God's righteous science...the science that Jesus delivered and the same one that expounds itself from the other side of the 'unified field forces' which is where Almighty God resides and invites the meek to share it with him.
All are invited but it seems not many will find its narrow gateway. That is why it is wise to listen to those who think they have.
NM was Jesus always cautious, considerate and caring? If the answer is yes then you are not reading the same Bible (NIV) as me!
Jesus was always living by righteousness. This is a code of practice that is guided by supporting our spiritual nature first hence ensuring that no spiritual energy is wasted. This is why he never sinned so that you can have a role model that fits every occasion and as you know some occasions are drastically worse than stubbing your big-toe on the bath. Some occasions really do demand resurrection to obtain any justice at all...all catered for in God's righteous sciences which you will grow to understand and comply with...if you want to spare yourself the burdens that will cause weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Jesus was a mere human and had faults just like the rest of us. He had a temper, he was a vandal, he was arrogant, he indulged in silly hocus pocus like exorcism, he was responsible for animal cruelty by frightening those pigs over the cliff; there is no suggestion that he compensated the farmer for their loss! VERY SINLESS, NOT! ::)
How is having a temper a fault?
He killed a tree? Who gives a fig?
He may have given some money grubbing chancers a kick up the jacksie.....OK in my book.
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Shaker, Floo:
You are making the mistake of thinking that meek, here, means weak, indecisive, of no significance but Jesus is talking about the wise, the cautious, the considerate, the caring...You see these are the characteristics of those who are repairing their genetic health via God's righteous science...the science that Jesus delivered and the same one that expounds itself from the other side of the 'unified field forces' which is where Almighty God resides and invites the meek to share it with him.
All are invited but it seems not many will find its narrow gateway. That is why it is wise to listen to those who think they have.
NM was Jesus always cautious, considerate and caring? If the answer is yes then you are not reading the same Bible (NIV) as me!
Jesus was always living by righteousness. This is a code of practice that is guided by supporting our spiritual nature first hence ensuring that no spiritual energy is wasted. This is why he never sinned so that you can have a role model that fits every occasion and as you know some occasions are drastically worse than stubbing your big-toe on the bath. Some occasions really do demand resurrection to obtain any justice at all...all catered for in God's righteous sciences which you will grow to understand and comply with...if you want to spare yourself the burdens that will cause weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Jesus was a mere human and had faults just like the rest of us. He had a temper, he was a vandal, he was arrogant, he indulged in silly hocus pocus like exorcism, he was responsible for animal cruelty by frightening those pigs over the cliff; there is no suggestion that he compensated the farmer for their loss! VERY SINLESS, NOT! ::)
How is having a temper a fault?
He killed a tree? Who gives a fig?
He may have given some money grubbing chancers a kick up the jacksie.....OK in my book.
Vandalism isn't OK!
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Shaker, Floo:
You are making the mistake of thinking that meek, here, means weak, indecisive, of no significance but Jesus is talking about the wise, the cautious, the considerate, the caring...You see these are the characteristics of those who are repairing their genetic health via God's righteous science...the science that Jesus delivered and the same one that expounds itself from the other side of the 'unified field forces' which is where Almighty God resides and invites the meek to share it with him.
All are invited but it seems not many will find its narrow gateway. That is why it is wise to listen to those who think they have.
NM was Jesus always cautious, considerate and caring? If the answer is yes then you are not reading the same Bible (NIV) as me!
Jesus was always living by righteousness. This is a code of practice that is guided by supporting our spiritual nature first hence ensuring that no spiritual energy is wasted. This is why he never sinned so that you can have a role model that fits every occasion and as you know some occasions are drastically worse than stubbing your big-toe on the bath. Some occasions really do demand resurrection to obtain any justice at all...all catered for in God's righteous sciences which you will grow to understand and comply with...if you want to spare yourself the burdens that will cause weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Jesus was a mere human and had faults just like the rest of us. He had a temper, he was a vandal, he was arrogant, he indulged in silly hocus pocus like exorcism, he was responsible for animal cruelty by frightening those pigs over the cliff; there is no suggestion that he compensated the farmer for their loss! VERY SINLESS, NOT! ::)
How is having a temper a fault?
He killed a tree? Who gives a fig?
He may have given some money grubbing chancers a kick up the jacksie.....OK in my book.
Vandalism isn't OK!
Stop posting then.
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The Meek Will Inherit the Earth
When?
And has anybody asked them if they really want it?
If you had read what was written you would know this is an offer to those who are reaching out for repentance...following the righteous guidelines...have seen not just Jesus, but seen the mess that the mismanagement of this planet is leading us all to and want a more honest, better world. Want the repair that the way, the truth and the life of Jesus Christ offers them.
There won't be any shortage of candidates when Jesus Christ's righteous science is fully revealed though there may be a few rejected applications.
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The Meek Will Inherit the Earth
When?
And has anybody asked them if they really want it?
If you had read what was written you would know this is an offer to those who are reaching out for repentance...following the righteous guidelines...have seen not just Jesus, but seen the mess that the mismanagement of this planet is leading us all to and want a more honest, better world. Want the repair that the way, the truth and the life of Jesus Christ offers them.
There won't be any shortage of candidates when Jesus Christ's righteous science is fully revealed though there may be a few rejected applications.
Righteous science? A meaningless phrase concocted by you, NM! ::)
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The Meek Will Inherit the Earth
When?
And has anybody asked them if they really want it?
If you had read what was written you would know this is an offer to those who are reaching out for repentance...following the righteous guidelines...have seen not just Jesus, but seen the mess that the mismanagement of this planet is leading us all to and want a more honest, better world. Want the repair that the way, the truth and the life of Jesus Christ offers them.
There won't be any shortage of candidates when Jesus Christ's righteous science is fully revealed though there may be a few rejected applications.
Righteous science? A meaningless phrase concocted by you, NM! ::)
I wish it was Floo then I could happily roll over and just quietly take my place in the queue for God's Judgment...but I am afraid the science that following Jesus Christ ignites is just too powerful to ignore and I haven't even scratched the surface, yet.
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Science and Jesus doesn't make sense to the rest of us, NM, only to you!
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Science and Jesus doesn't make sense to the rest of us, NM, only to you!
That is because you are a devout atheist Floo...No problem...even you want to enjoy the science that will repair all woes and set you up for all eternity. That is where Jesus Christ's accurate teaching comes in...Faith is all you need but I simply have a science that makes that faith valid, even if I don't express it very well...but atheists don't need an expert because they will have no need for one.
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Science and Jesus doesn't make sense to the rest of us, NM, only to you!
That is because you are a devout atheist Floo...No problem...even you want to enjoy the science that will repair all woes and set you up for all eternity. That is where Jesus Christ's accurate teaching comes in...Faith is all you need but I simply have a science that makes that faith valid, even if I don't express it very well...but atheists don't need an expert because they will have no need for one.
I am not an atheist, I am an agnostic as I think it is just possible a deity of some sort could exist in another dimension. I don't believe the Biblical deity is anymore than a human creation as it has all the worst human characteristics.
NM as has been said many times you have absolutely no proof what is attributed to Jesus is true. As for science you don't seem to know the meaning of the word! What scientific qualifications do you have?
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You sure like to harass NM and mock Christ floo.
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You sure like to harass NM and mock Christ floo.
Christ floo? Is that like a really bad dose of man flu?
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Yup, but I don't think hers is an exaggeration.
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The Meek Will Inherit the Earth
When?
And has anybody asked them if they really want it?
If you had read what was written you would know this is an offer to those who are reaching out for repentance...following the righteous guidelines...have seen not just Jesus, but seen the mess that the mismanagement of this planet is leading us all to and want a more honest, better world. Want the repair that the way, the truth and the life of Jesus Christ offers them.
There won't be any shortage of candidates when Jesus Christ's righteous science is fully revealed though there may be a few rejected applications.
I'm pretty sure that doesn't answer either of my questions.
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The Meek Will Inherit the Earth
If we analyse the problems of today’s world we find that everyone is so wound up. This means that people have no nervous stamina. They are on a short fuse because it is this strength that gives us patience, caring, good order and the desire to improve.
Two questions…
Where has all this strength gone?? And, How can we get it back??
I have only one answer…This invisible strength is also our spiritual strength and we must follow Jesus Christ accurately if we want to benefit from the same mechanics he teaches, of which, resurrection, and everlasting life, are perhaps the best known…but there is much more.
We must accurately restore Jesus to his true, righteous status, in our own individual lives...and we must verify what is written, with our own individual logic, because righteousness, works, by being truthful whereas men can alter things.
The meek shall inherit the Erath?
Tell that to all those that the Christian church has murdered over the centuries for refusing to accept its dictatorship/.
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The Meek Will Inherit the Earth
If we analyse the problems of today’s world we find that everyone is so wound up. This means that people have no nervous stamina. They are on a short fuse because it is this strength that gives us patience, caring, good order and the desire to improve.
Two questions…
Where has all this strength gone?? And, How can we get it back??
I have only one answer…This invisible strength is also our spiritual strength and we must follow Jesus Christ accurately if we want to benefit from the same mechanics he teaches, of which, resurrection, and everlasting life, are perhaps the best known…but there is much more.
We must accurately restore Jesus to his true, righteous status, in our own individual lives...and we must verify what is written, with our own individual logic, because righteousness, works, by being truthful whereas men can alter things.
The meek shall inherit the Erath?
Tell that to all those that the Christian church has murdered over the centuries for refusing to accept its dictatorship/.
You are blaming Jesus for iniquity Owlswing. Nothing to do with righteousness...will not earn the slightest hope of resurrection...is outside God's love and is the sworn enemy of Jesus Christ who says of them...'Get behind me, I do not know you.'
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I am not an atheist, I am an agnostic as I think it is just possible a deity of some sort could exist in another dimension. scientific qualifications do you have?
That doesn't really make you an agnostic though Floo. Agnosticism is about knowledge and an agnostic is defined as a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God.
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The Meek Will Inherit the Earth
If we analyse the problems of today’s world we find that everyone is so wound up. This means that people have no nervous stamina. They are on a short fuse because it is this strength that gives us patience, caring, good order and the desire to improve.
Two questions…
Where has all this strength gone?? And, How can we get it back??
I have only one answer…This invisible strength is also our spiritual strength and we must follow Jesus Christ accurately if we want to benefit from the same mechanics he teaches, of which, resurrection, and everlasting life, are perhaps the best known…but there is much more.
We must accurately restore Jesus to his true, righteous status, in our own individual lives...and we must verify what is written, with our own individual logic, because righteousness, works, by being truthful whereas men can alter things.
The meek shall inherit the Erath?
Tell that to all those that the Christian church has murdered over the centuries for refusing to accept its dictatorship/.
You are blaming Jesus for iniquity Owlswing. Nothing to do with righteousness...will not earn the slightest hope of resurrection...is outside God's love and is the sworn enemy of Jesus Christ who says of them...'Get behind me, I do not know you.'
NM
I don't speak or read gobbledegook. Please repost the above in English!
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The Meek Will Inherit the Earth
If we analyse the problems of today’s world we find that everyone is so wound up. This means that people have no nervous stamina. They are on a short fuse because it is this strength that gives us patience, caring, good order and the desire to improve.
Two questions…
Where has all this strength gone?? And, How can we get it back??
I have only one answer…This invisible strength is also our spiritual strength and we must follow Jesus Christ accurately if we want to benefit from the same mechanics he teaches, of which, resurrection, and everlasting life, are perhaps the best known…but there is much more.
We must accurately restore Jesus to his true, righteous status, in our own individual lives...and we must verify what is written, with our own individual logic, because righteousness, works, by being truthful whereas men can alter things.
The meek shall inherit the Erath?
Tell that to all those that the Christian church has murdered over the centuries for refusing to accept its dictatorship/.
Yes the church is under that judgment as well.
Tell me do you assail German people in the street concerning world war 2?
Or pagans for human sacrifice?
Nope......on the other hand this forum is fine for Bigotted showboating of the kind you are displaying.
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The Meek Will Inherit the Earth
If we analyse the problems of today’s world we find that everyone is so wound up. This means that people have no nervous stamina. They are on a short fuse because it is this strength that gives us patience, caring, good order and the desire to improve.
Two questions…
Where has all this strength gone?? And, How can we get it back??
I have only one answer…This invisible strength is also our spiritual strength and we must follow Jesus Christ accurately if we want to benefit from the same mechanics he teaches, of which, resurrection, and everlasting life, are perhaps the best known…but there is much more.
We must accurately restore Jesus to his true, righteous status, in our own individual lives...and we must verify what is written, with our own individual logic, because righteousness, works, by being truthful whereas men can alter things.
The meek shall inherit the Erath?
Tell that to all those that the Christian church has murdered over the centuries for refusing to accept its dictatorship/.
You are blaming Jesus for iniquity Owlswing. Nothing to do with righteousness...will not earn the slightest hope of resurrection...is outside God's love and is the sworn enemy of Jesus Christ who says of them...'Get behind me, I do not know you.'
NM
I don't speak or read gobbledegook. Please repost the above in English!
Gobbledegook is in the eye of the beholder Owlswing...no wonder you don't understand righteousness...but I can help...By working your way through the Gospels, beside reading about a wonderful and humane man, the son of Almighty God, no less, you will release yourself from much of the confusion that is clouding your judgment.
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The Meek Will Inherit the Earth
If we analyse the problems of today’s world we find that everyone is so wound up. This means that people have no nervous stamina. They are on a short fuse because it is this strength that gives us patience, caring, good order and the desire to improve.
Two questions…
Where has all this strength gone?? And, How can we get it back??
I have only one answer…This invisible strength is also our spiritual strength and we must follow Jesus Christ accurately if we want to benefit from the same mechanics he teaches, of which, resurrection, and everlasting life, are perhaps the best known…but there is much more.
We must accurately restore Jesus to his true, righteous status, in our own individual lives...and we must verify what is written, with our own individual logic, because righteousness, works, by being truthful whereas men can alter things.
The meek shall inherit the Erath?
Tell that to all those that the Christian church has murdered over the centuries for refusing to accept its dictatorship/.
You are blaming Jesus for iniquity Owlswing. Nothing to do with righteousness...will not earn the slightest hope of resurrection...is outside God's love and is the sworn enemy of Jesus Christ who says of them...'Get behind me, I do not know you.'
NM
I don't speak or read gobbledegook. Please repost the above in English!
Gobbledegook is in the eye of the beholder Owlswing...no wonder you don't understand righteousness...but I can help...By working your way through the Gospels, beside reading about a wonderful and humane man, the son of Almighty God, no less, you will release yourself from much of the confusion that is clouding your judgment.
I have read the gospels many times NM, but don't wear rose coloured specs when doing so like you appear to do! Jesus comes over as very human, with both good and bad points, certainly no sort of deity.
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The Meek Will Inherit the Earth
If we analyse the problems of today’s world we find that everyone is so wound up. This means that people have no nervous stamina. They are on a short fuse because it is this strength that gives us patience, caring, good order and the desire to improve.
Two questions…
Where has all this strength gone?? And, How can we get it back??
I have only one answer…This invisible strength is also our spiritual strength and we must follow Jesus Christ accurately if we want to benefit from the same mechanics he teaches, of which, resurrection, and everlasting life, are perhaps the best known…but there is much more.
We must accurately restore Jesus to his true, righteous status, in our own individual lives...and we must verify what is written, with our own individual logic, because righteousness, works, by being truthful whereas men can alter things.
The meek shall inherit the Earth?
Tell that to all those that the Christian church has murdered over the centuries for refusing to accept its dictatorship.
Yes, the church is under that judgment as well.
Tell me do you assail German people in the street concerning world war 2?
No, the Germans are not still preaching the same credo as the Germans during WW2 - the christian church is!
Or pagans for human sacrifice?
For the same reason as for WW2 Germans - no - we have advanced from the old ways - you still preach tha same credo as was used to justify the murders of the witches (so-called) and other heretics.
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Nope......on the other hand this forum is fine for Bigotted showboating of the kind you are displaying.
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Bloody Hell! We are going up in the world - we get a Capital now!
Mote, eye beam!
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Owlswing:
I'll say it again for you Owlswing but take into account that you see everything that claims to have a Christian identity is something to do with Jesus Christ...when much of it is iniquity...and here is the acid test...If a teaching says 'love your neighbour' and goes around spouting hatred for them, or 'thou shalt not kill' but does it anyway...they aren't Christian.
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Owlswing:
I'll say it again for you Owlswing but take into account that you see everything that claims to have a Christian identity is something to do with Jesus Christ...when much of it is iniquity...and here is the acid test...If a teaching says 'love your neighbour' or 'thou shalt not kill' but does it anyway...they aren't Christian.
So! What you are saying is that the Roman Catholic Church of the 14th to 17th centuries were not Christian? Or the Conquistadors in South America, who turned another of your god's gifts to humanity, sexually transmitted diseases, into a weapon of mass destruction.
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The Meek Will Inherit the Earth
If we analyse the problems of today’s world we find that everyone is so wound up. This means that people have no nervous stamina. They are on a short fuse because it is this strength that gives us patience, caring, good order and the desire to improve.
Two questions…
Where has all this strength gone?? And, How can we get it back??
I have only one answer…This invisible strength is also our spiritual strength and we must follow Jesus Christ accurately if we want to benefit from the same mechanics he teaches, of which, resurrection, and everlasting life, are perhaps the best known…but there is much more.
We must accurately restore Jesus to his true, righteous status, in our own individual lives...and we must verify what is written, with our own individual logic, because righteousness, works, by being truthful whereas men can alter things.
The meek shall inherit the Earth?
Tell that to all those that the Christian church has murdered over the centuries for refusing to accept its dictatorship.
Yes, the church is under that judgment as well.
Tell me do you assail German people in the street concerning world war 2?
No, the Germans are not still preaching the same credo as the Germans during WW2 - the christian church is!
Or pagans for human sacrifice?
For the same reason as for WW2 Germans - no - we have advanced from the old ways - you still preach tha same credo as was used to justify the murders of the witches (so-called) and other heretics.
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Nope......on the other hand this forum is fine for Bigotted showboating of the kind you are displaying.
Bloody Hell! We are going up in the world - we get a Capital now!
Mote, eye beam!
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As you know yourself many secular humanists on this board are both horrified yet fascinated that there are people who don't accept their facile, slovenly axiomatic comfortable view of their own righteousness, the unarguable rightness of their philosophy and world knowledge which when pressed they admit is incomplete but promise that ''science will come up with an answer''.
They also do not realise the stuff they are coming out with like the recent disgrace from Ippy concerning people of faith and education, to people on this board who think religion should have no public presence and religious people removed from the political process, is in anyway questionable. In their arrogance they ignore the atheists of a few years ago e.g. Bamber Gascoigne who in his TV programme The Christians a few years ago surveyed similar Soviet attitudes to religion with horror. Yes , that's right the atheist Bamber Gascoigne.
In view of these obvious errors My showboat sails this board with full orchestra, Dixie showband and chorus.
As far as you are concerned as far as antitheists around here are concerned if you run with both the hare and hounds Ippy will bite your head off.
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Owlswing:
I'll say it again for you Owlswing but take into account that you see everything that claims to have a Christian identity is something to do with Jesus Christ...when much of it is iniquity...and here is the acid test...If a teaching says 'love your neighbour' or 'thou shalt not kill' but does it anyway...they aren't Christian.
So! What you are saying is that the Roman Catholic Church of the 14th to 17th centuries were not Christian? Or the Conquistadors in South America, who turned another of your god's gifts to humanity, sexually transmitted diseases, into a weapon of mass destruction.
Your talking gobbledegook now Qwlswing...what don't you understand about iniquity simply being a useful method for tyrants to pretend they have an authority that they don't and the foolish who don't try and understand what Jesus was saying just going along with the deceit without realising...You've got a lot to learn.
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Owlswing:
I'll say it again for you Owlswing but take into account that you see everything that claims to have a Christian identity is something to do with Jesus Christ...when much of it is iniquity...and here is the acid test...If a teaching says 'love your neighbour' or 'thou shalt not kill' but does it anyway...they aren't Christian.
So! What you are saying is that the Roman Catholic Church of the 14th to 17th centuries were not Christian? Or the Conquistadors in South America, who turned another of your god's gifts to humanity, sexually transmitted diseases, into a weapon of mass destruction.
Your talking gobbledegook now Qwlswing...what don't you understand about iniquity simply being a useful method for tyrants to pretend they have an authority that they don't and the foolish who don't try and understand what Jesus was saying just going along with the deceit without realising...You've got a lot to learn.
You are living proof of the rightness of Ippy's wish to stop Christian indoctrination of the young by Church or familiy!
You are a lost cause!
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Owlswing:
I'll say it again for you Owlswing but take into account that you see everything that claims to have a Christian identity is something to do with Jesus Christ...when much of it is iniquity...and here is the acid test...If a teaching says 'love your neighbour' or 'thou shalt not kill' but does it anyway...they aren't Christian.
So! What you are saying is that the Roman Catholic Church of the 14th to 17th centuries were not Christian? Or the Conquistadors in South America, who turned another of your god's gifts to humanity, sexually transmitted diseases, into a weapon of mass destruction.
Your talking gobbledegook now Qwlswing...what don't you understand about iniquity simply being a useful method for tyrants to pretend they have an authority that they don't and the foolish who don't try and understand what Jesus was saying just going along with the deceit without realising...You've got a lot to learn.
You are living proof of the rightness of Ippy's wish to stop Christian indoctrination of the young by Church or familiy!
You are a lost cause!
If you only had the insight: it is you who is the lost cause!
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HI everyone,
I think the statement 'meek shall inherit the earth' is quite correct. We are as a species becoming more meek every day. That's what tolerance, PC, patience, non violence, understanding the other point of view etc. is all about. Being more 'civilized' in fact.
100 years from today humans are likely to be more 'meek' than now. The Bible is right on this one IMO!
Cheers.
Sriram
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Owlswing:
I'll say it again for you Owlswing but take into account that you see everything that claims to have a Christian identity is something to do with Jesus Christ...when much of it is iniquity...and here is the acid test...If a teaching says 'love your neighbour' or 'thou shalt not kill' but does it anyway...they aren't Christian.
So! What you are saying is that the Roman Catholic Church of the 14th to 17th centuries were not Christian? Or the Conquistadors in South America, who turned another of your god's gifts to humanity, sexually transmitted diseases, into a weapon of mass destruction.
Your talking gobbledegook now Qwlswing...what don't you understand about iniquity simply being a useful method for tyrants to pretend they have an authority that they don't and the foolish who don't try and understand what Jesus was saying just going along with the deceit without realising...You've got a lot to learn.
You are living proof of the rightness of Ippy's wish to stop Christian indoctrination of the young by Church or familiy!
You are a lost cause!
If you only had the insight: it is you who is the lost cause!
Insight into what, precisely?
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Owlswing:
I'll say it again for you Owlswing but take into account that you see everything that claims to have a Christian identity is something to do with Jesus Christ...when much of it is iniquity...and here is the acid test...If a teaching says 'love your neighbour' or 'thou shalt not kill' but does it anyway...they aren't Christian.
So! What you are saying is that the Roman Catholic Church of the 14th to 17th centuries were not Christian? Or the Conquistadors in South America, who turned another of your god's gifts to humanity, sexually transmitted diseases, into a weapon of mass destruction.
Your talking gobbledegook now Qwlswing...what don't you understand about iniquity simply being a useful method for tyrants to pretend they have an authority that they don't and the foolish who don't try and understand what Jesus was saying just going along with the deceit without realising...You've got a lot to learn.
You are living proof of the rightness of Ippy's wish to stop Christian indoctrination of the young by Church or familiy!
You are a lost cause!
If you only had the insight: it is you who is the lost cause!
Insight into what, precisely?
What do you think?
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Owlswing:
I'll say it again for you Owlswing but take into account that you see everything that claims to have a Christian identity is something to do with Jesus Christ...when much of it is iniquity...and here is the acid test...If a teaching says 'love your neighbour' or 'thou shalt not kill' but does it anyway...they aren't Christian.
So! What you are saying is that the Roman Catholic Church of the 14th to 17th centuries were not Christian? Or the Conquistadors in South America, who turned another of your god's gifts to humanity, sexually transmitted diseases, into a weapon of mass destruction.
Your talking gobbledegook now Qwlswing...what don't you understand about iniquity simply being a useful method for tyrants to pretend they have an authority that they don't and the foolish who don't try and understand what Jesus was saying just going along with the deceit without realising...You've got a lot to learn.
You are living proof of the rightness of Ippy's wish to stop Christian indoctrination of the young by Church or familiy!
You are a lost cause!
If you only had the insight: it is you who is the lost cause!
Insight into what, precisely?
What do you think?
I'm asking what YOU mean!
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Owlswing:
I'll say it again for you Owlswing but take into account that you see everything that claims to have a Christian identity is something to do with Jesus Christ...when much of it is iniquity...and here is the acid test...If a teaching says 'love your neighbour' or 'thou shalt not kill' but does it anyway...they aren't Christian.
So! What you are saying is that the Roman Catholic Church of the 14th to 17th centuries were not Christian? Or the Conquistadors in South America, who turned another of your god's gifts to humanity, sexually transmitted diseases, into a weapon of mass destruction.
Your talking gobbledegook now Qwlswing...what don't you understand about iniquity simply being a useful method for tyrants to pretend they have an authority that they don't and the foolish who don't try and understand what Jesus was saying just going along with the deceit without realising...You've got a lot to learn.
You are living proof of the rightness of Ippy's wish to stop Christian indoctrination of the young by Church or familiy!
You are a lost cause!
If you only had the insight: it is you who is the lost cause!
Insight into what, precisely?
What do you think?
I'm asking what YOU mean!
I think it's pretty well self-evident. We are on a religious forum, and you are vociferously anti-religion...
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Owlswing:
I'll say it again for you Owlswing but take into account that you see everything that claims to have a Christian identity is something to do with Jesus Christ...when much of it is iniquity...and here is the acid test...If a teaching says 'love your neighbour' or 'thou shalt not kill' but does it anyway...they aren't Christian.
So! What you are saying is that the Roman Catholic Church of the 14th to 17th centuries were not Christian? Or the Conquistadors in South America, who turned another of your god's gifts to humanity, sexually transmitted diseases, into a weapon of mass destruction.
Your talking gobbledegook now Qwlswing...what don't you understand about iniquity simply being a useful method for tyrants to pretend they have an authority that they don't and the foolish who don't try and understand what Jesus was saying just going along with the deceit without realising...You've got a lot to learn.
Before accusing anyone else of talking gobbledegook, maybe you should re-read some of your posts NM! ::)
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I think it's pretty well self-evident. We are on a religious forum, and you are vociferously anti-religion...
No, the forum isn't called 'Religious Ethics', it's called 'Religion and Ethics'. It's a forum about religion (and ethics), not for religion.
O.
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I think it's pretty well self-evident. We are on a religious forum, and you are vociferously anti-religion...
No, the forum isn't called 'Religious Ethics', it's called 'Religion and Ethics'. It's a forum about religion (and ethics), not for religion.
O.
Well...if meekness is a necessary quality required to inherit the Earth there wont be many I have spoken to on here who will be amongst that number. Still, there may still be time. Put on meekness as Jesus Christ put on meekness and you can all be saved.
We have already learnt that Jesus was teaching us about an indestructible force behind the creation of galaxies, stars, atoms and life and it is only a stepping stone more to realise that our level of health is incorporated in his teaching too. Early days yet but for those who can follow Jesus by his meek and righteous laws they will come to know what causes all bodily malfunctions. Oh, and how to repair them.
This is the power of Jesus' way, his truth and his life.
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We have already learnt that Jesus was teaching us about an indestructible force behind the creation of galaxies, stars, atoms and life
Who is this WE who have apready learnt?
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We have already learnt that Jesus was teaching us about an indestructible force behind the creation of galaxies, stars, atoms and life
Who is this WE who have apready learnt?
You have been told Owlswing and that means you have learnt an indesputible truth whether you reject it or not will not make it any less a truth that not even your very best scientists can dispute.
I can say this boldly because modern science and the Holy Bible are unified by this truth.
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Well...if meekness is a necessary quality required to inherit the Earth there wont be many I have spoken to on here who will be amongst that number.
Says the man that comes here and announces that he, and he alone, has the understanding of Jesus Dynamic Energy solution for an as yet unevidenced condition...
Still, there may still be time. Put on meekness as Jesus Christ put on meekness and you can all be saved.
Why would I screw over people that I have a reasonable reason to think exist in this world by adopting the recommendations of the New Testament in order to get into an alleged afterlife for which you've no evidence?
We have already learnt that Jesus was teaching us about an indestructible force behind the creation of galaxies, stars, atoms and life and it is only a stepping stone more to realise that our level of health is incorporated in his teaching too.
No, you've already claimed this. No-one has 'learnt' it, you may have come up with it yourself or accepted based on desire from someone else, but it's not something that can be learnt because there's nothing to base that learning upon.
Early days yet but for those who can follow Jesus by his meek and righteous laws they will come to know what causes all bodily malfunctions. Oh, and how to repair them.
We already know many, and can repair some of them - we did this through actual science, not religious credulity. If you want to see where blind acceptance of religious tenets get you, go to Paris today.
This is the power of Jesus' way, his truth and his life.
I'm underwhelmed, to say the least.
O.
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I can say this boldly because modern science and the Holy Bible are unified by this truth.
This is arrant nonsense!
There are so mony things in the bible that modern science has DISproved.
One of the most important of these is, of coure, the myth of the creation in seven, sorry, six days; others are the resurrection and the flood.
You attachment to the bible is, to my mind, delusional - it proves nothing except that people who are gullible will believe just about anything.
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Outrider, Owlswing:
The delusional are those who believe that a dot, smaller than an atom, exploded and created everything. That is what your entire scientific community seem to think even though they have calculated that there is a surplus energy with a sum value of 93% of the known mass in the universe and cannot make the connection.
Now, according to the laws of energy conservation this material must have always been and so you can take this as an introduction to Almighty God who also tells us he has always been to.
Your problems are that you think your power of comprehension is greater than the being who told us a few thousand years ago that he made every star out of his superabundant, indestructible, mighty power....millions have found great fulfilment in that source of knowledge...and, it seems, they are to be proven right.
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Dear World,
First quote is Srirams, the second quote is NicholasMarks.
I think the statement 'meek shall inherit the earth' is quite correct. We are as a species becoming more meek every day. That's what tolerance, PC, patience, non violence, understanding the other point of view etc. is all about. Being more 'civilized' in fact.
100 years from today humans are likely to be more 'meek' than now. The Bible is right on this one IMO!
You are making the mistake of thinking that meek, here, means weak, indecisive, of no significance but Jesus is talking about the wise, the cautious, the considerate, the caring...You see these are the characteristics of those who are repairing their genetic health via God's righteous science...the science that Jesus delivered and the same one that expounds itself from the other side of the 'unified field forces' which is where Almighty God resides and invites the meek to share it with him.
Gonnagle.
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We have already learnt that Jesus was teaching us about an indestructible force behind the creation of galaxies, stars, atoms and life
Who is this WE who have apready learnt?
You have been told Owlswing and that means you have learnt an indesputible truth whether you reject it or not will not make it any less a truth that not even your very best scientists can dispute.
I can say this boldly because modern science and the Holy Bible are unified by this truth.
You can say it as boldly as you like, it doesn't mean your statement has any credibility!
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We have already learnt that Jesus was teaching us about an indestructible force behind the creation of galaxies, stars, atoms and life
Who is this WE who have apready learnt?
You have been told Owlswing and that means you have learnt an indesputible truth whether you reject it or not will not make it any less a truth that not even your very best scientists can dispute.
I can say this boldly because modern science and the Holy Bible are unified by this truth.
You can say it as boldly as you like, it doesn't mean your statement has any credibility!
My credibility isn't my main concern...There have been many scientists whose credibility has been ridiculed but proven to be correct long after they have been besmirched.
What no one has tried to work out is why a superabundant, invisible force described by modern science and Almighty God couldn't spin up by some wonderful scientific laws and create every star and every atom just as described within the Holy Bible...and if you can't understand this how can you possibly understand the fine detail it presents.
Best for you to just follow the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.
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We have already learnt that Jesus was teaching us about an indestructible force behind the creation of galaxies, stars, atoms and life
Who is this WE who have apready learnt?
You have been told Owlswing and that means you have learnt an indesputible truth whether you reject it or not will not make it any less a truth that not even your very best scientists can dispute.
I can say this boldly because modern science and the Holy Bible are unified by this truth.
You can say it as boldly as you like, it doesn't mean your statement has any credibility!
My credibility isn't my main concern...There have been many scientists whose credibility has been ridiculed but proven to be correct long after they have been besmirched.
What no one has tried to work out is why a superabundant, invisible force described by modern science and Almighty God couldn't spin up by some wonderful scientific laws and create every star and every oly Bible.atom in thbible...and if you can't understand this how can you possibly understand the fine detail it presents.e universe via a route that exposes the true nature of science and which is paralleled from within the Holy Bible...and if you can't understand this how can tou possibly understand the fine detail it exposes.
Best for you to just follow the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.
I tried it for fifteen years and gave it up. It works for you - great! It didn't for me! Accept it, and accept that, if your view is right I will accept it at the appropriate time.
I wish that I could ever see you making the same statement.
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Well...if meekness is a necessary quality required to inherit the Earth there wont be many I have spoken to on here who will be amongst that number. Still, there may still be time. Put on meekness as Jesus Christ put on meekness and you can all be saved.
If I had any reason to think that there was a means by which anyone would 'inherit the Earth' or any reason to think that meekness was a part of that I might be worried. That you fail to appreciate the arrogance in your own manner whilst decrying the questions of others just further undermines your position.
We have already learnt that Jesus was teaching us about an indestructible force behind the creation of galaxies, stars, atoms and life and it is only a stepping stone more to realise that our level of health is incorporated in his teaching too.
Nobody has 'learnt' that. You've claimed it, you've offered nothing to support the assertion.
Early days yet but for those who can follow Jesus by his meek and righteous laws they will come to know what causes all bodily malfunctions. Oh, and how to repair them.
We've covered this. Modern medicine has discovered the basis of many (but not all) 'bodily malfunctions', and how to repair or remedy some of those. As yet I've not seen a paper that includes 'meekness' or 'righteousness' as part of the treatment of any of them, but I'm sure in your extensive knowledge of science you can point me in the right direction?
This is the power of Jesus' way, his truth and his life.
And, as ever, that power fails to move.
O.
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The delusional are those who believe that a dot, smaller than an atom, exploded and created everything. That is what your entire scientific community seem to think even though they have calculated that there is a surplus energy with a sum value of 93% of the known mass in the universe and cannot make the connection.
That's what the available evidence shows. How is it delusional to accept the deduction from the available evidence, but perfectly rational to accept one unsubstantiated claim from a primitive society's book of fairy-tales, whilst arbitrarily ignoring all of the other primitive fairy-tales?
Now, according to the laws of energy conservation this material must have always been and so you can take this as an introduction to Almighty God who also tells us he has always been to.
No. According to the law of conservation of energy, if this apparently matter-positive universe erupted from the quantum foam, there must be an equal amount of anti-matter (or an energy equivalent) somewhere else. It may be that dark matter/energy will turn out to be that, or it may be that it's somewhere outside of this universe - the evidence isn't yet available to make the determination. We don't know, and that's fine, we don't have to pretend we have answers.
Your problems are that you think your power of comprehension is greater than the being who told us a few thousand years ago that he made every star out of his superabundant, indestructible, mighty power....millions have found great fulfilment in that source of knowledge...and, it seems, they are to be proven right.
No, our problems are people that cleave to outdated superstitions because the feeling of certainty is more reassuring than the reality of partial knowledge. That absolute certainty in the face of contrary evidence, or in the absence of evidence, leads to gunmen rampaging through cities. That's our problem, having consigned the Big Boy's Book of Jewish Bed-Time Stories to the same reject pile as the Qu'ran, the Baghavad Gita, the Odyssey, the Kalevala and the Chronicles of Narnia isn't.
O.
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We have already learnt that Jesus was teaching us about an indestructible force behind the creation of galaxies, stars, atoms and life
Who is this WE who have apready learnt?
You have been told Owlswing and that means you have learnt an indesputible truth whether you reject it or not will not make it any less a truth that not even your very best scientists can dispute.
I can say this boldly because modern science and the Holy Bible are unified by this truth.
You can say it as boldly as you like, it doesn't mean your statement has any credibility!
My credibility isn't my main concern...There have been many scientists whose credibility has been ridiculed but proven to be correct long after they have been besmirched.
What no one has tried to work out is why a superabundant, invisible force described by modern science and Almighty God couldn't spin up by some wonderful scientific laws and create every star and every atom just as described within the Holy Bible...and if you can't understand this how can you possibly understand the fine detail it presents.
Best for you to just follow the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.
But NM you just don't put forward an argument which has any credibility!
As for Jesus, he supposedly told his followers to leave their responsibilities behind and put him first and follow him, NOT SENSIBLE. >:( No one should put their faith before their families, especially if you have kids!
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Who is this WE who have apready learnt?
You have been told Owlswing and that means you have learnt an indesputible truth whether you reject it or not will not make it any less a truth that not even your very best scientists can dispute.
I can say this boldly because modern science and the Holy Bible are unified by this truth.
You can say it as boldly as you like, it doesn't mean your statement has any credibility!
My credibility isn't my main concern...There have been many scientists whose credibility has been ridiculed but proven to be correct long after they have been besmirched.
What no one has tried to work out is why a superabundant, invisible force described by modern science and Almighty God couldn't spin up by some wonderful scientific laws and create every star and every atom just as described within the Holy Bible...and if you can't understand this how can you possibly understand the fine detail it presents.
Best for you to just follow the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.
But NM you just don't put forward an argument which has any credibility!
As for Jesus, he supposedly told his followers to leave their responsibilities behind and put him first and follow him, NOT SENSIBLE. >:( No one should put their faith before their families, especially if you have kids!
Jesus said many things and every thing he said had a vital meaning. He was following righteousness and different people received different righteous messages from him. His followers got a different message from those who wanted to serve him...but the overwhelming message here is that we should love Almighty God first and foremost. If we ignore this message we will find that there are many others who will want to capture our minds, our thinking and exert undue pressure on our lives in a very destructive way. Adolph Hitler is a classic example...most advertisers are others.
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Jesus said many things and every thing he said had a vital meaning. He was following righteousness and different people received different righteous messages from him. His followers got a different message from those who wanted to serve him...but the overwhelming message here is that we should love Almighty God first and foremost. If we ignore this message we will find that there are many others who will want to capture our minds, our thinking and exert undue pressure on our lives in a very destructive way. Adolph Hitler is a classic example...most advertisers are others.
That is your take on it, to which you are entitled, just as I am entitled to my opinion, which is just as valid as yours.
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NM was Jesus always cautious, considerate and caring? If the answer is yes then you are not reading the same Bible (NIV) as me!
Jesus was always living by righteousness. This is a code of practice that is guided by supporting our spiritual nature first hence ensuring that no spiritual energy is wasted. This is why he never sinned so that you can have a role model that fits every occasion and as you know some occasions are drastically worse than stubbing your big-toe on the bath. Some occasions really do demand resurrection to obtain any justice at all...all catered for in God's righteous sciences which you will grow to understand and comply with...if you want to spare yourself the burdens that will cause weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Jesus was a mere human and had faults just like the rest of us. He had a temper, he was a vandal, he was arrogant, he indulged in silly hocus pocus like exorcism, he was responsible for animal cruelty by frightening those pigs over the cliff; there is no suggestion that he compensated the farmer for their loss! VERY SINLESS, NOT! ::)
Had Floo been around 2000 years ago, the NT might have read like a script out of the life of Brian.
" you've been a very naughty boy"
Lol ;D
http://youtu.be/af9EHtQMMc4
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That is your take on it, to which you are entitled, just as I am entitled to my opinion, which is just as valid as yours.
Opinions are only valid if they can be backed with a sound argument.
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Opinions are only valid if they can be backed with a sound argument.
I agree.
Do you have a sound argument for a god?
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I agree.
Do you have a sound argument for a god?
Yes.
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Yes.
Can you share it?
All arguments posted to date have all failed on some logical fallacy or simple assertion.
Do you have a sound logical argument free from assertion?
I am guessing not
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I agree.
Do you have a sound argument for a god?
Yes! Science cannot show us what caused the universe to come into being, so it must have been "God".
That is what religios consider a "sound" argument. ;D ;D ;D
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I agree.
Do you have a sound argument for a god?
Do you have a sound argument for there not being one?
Just because you haven't found one, doesn't mean one can't exist.
People can also see evidence of one in science.
I don't see either argument as a sound one, I just see opinion.
Opinion draped around current scientific findings.
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Yes! Science cannot show us what caused the universe to come into being, so it must have been "God".
That is what religios consider a "sound" argument. ;D ;D ;D
I think it is more, something needed to have been involved in the creation of everything from nothing because of cause and effect and of what we already have experience of.
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I think it is more, something needed to have been involved in the creation of everything from nothing because of cause and effect and of what we already have experience of.
Whether or not there has ever been "nothing" is just guesswork. But pretending that "gods" are responsible for everything that exists is sheer fiction. Guess as much as you like, but don't claim it to be the truth.
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Whether or not there has ever been "nothing" is just guesswork. But pretending that "gods" are responsible for everything that exists is sheer fiction. Guess as much as you like, but don't claim it to be the truth.
I agree.
As I have said before there is as much evidence to support the existence of any of the gods worshiped by humans as there is to support the existence of fairies, goblins, elves and the like. Of course it is just possible some intelligent designer, who was not omnipotent, put it all together, but was unable to rectify the faults in its design.
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Do you have a sound argument for there not being one?
Just because you haven't found one, doesn't mean one can't exist.
People can also see evidence of one in science.
I don't see either argument as a sound one, I just see opinion.
Opinion draped around current scientific findings.
I do not need a sound argument for there not being a god, because I am NOT saying a god or gods do not exist.
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Do you have a sound argument for there not being one?
Just because you haven't found one, doesn't mean one can't exist.
No it doesn't, but there's no need for one until and unless someone can give any sort of reason to think there might be one. The burden of proof lies on the claimant, otherwise we'd need to accept all of the claimed gods.
People can also see evidence of one in science.
No, they can't. People can see gaps in our current scientific knowledge and fill them with God, people can see versions of God that aren't in opposition to science, but science relies on the testable and God isn't testable.
O.
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Do you have a sound argument for there not being one?
Just because you haven't found one, doesn't mean one can't exist.
People can also see evidence of one in science.
I don't see either argument as a sound one, I just see opinion.
Opinion draped around current scientific findings.
As a theist myself I accept that the onus is on me to prove what any kind of god exists. Otherwise the position is that there is no god.
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I don't think we are at anywhere near the stage of evidencing for a god. We would first have to get to the stage of a meaningful definition and then a methodology for evidencing that definition. If somethings are not even wrong, claims about evidence for gods are not even capable of spelling wrong.
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All:
The proof that there is a God, of the power and design Jesus Christ taught us about, is proven by the millions who have sought sanctity in Jesus' words.
Because many others have sought sanctity in other, false gods, shows the intensity of the hatred that builds up around us and inflicts appalling injury upon the more caring in this world. This is why false prophets are able to tamper with the mechanics of righteousness for their own purposes...often selfishness, greed, war-mongering and the adhesion of the masses...as proven by the ancient Egyptians and the like.
Jesus died for us to prove the science of resurrection, which, however you might look at it, proves that he is working with a very advanced science and this should give all those who want proof all the proof they need.
The key to embracing that science is righteousness and this is achieved through the meekness of Jesus Christ and those that follow that meekness will inherit the Earth.
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The proof that there is a God, of the power and design Jesus Christ taught us about, is proven by the millions who have sought sanctity in Jesus' words.
By which logic Allah is real, Buddha is real, Ghanesh is real, Thor was real (he might not be any more, who knows). By the same logic, given the millions of atheists, none of them exist.
Because many others have sought sanctity in other, false gods, shows the intensity of the hatred that builds up around us and inflicts appalling injury upon the more caring in this world.
How can the same argument - number of believers - mean two different results for 'arbitrarily accepted real god' and 'arbitrarily defined false gods'?
This is why false prophets are able to tamper with the mechanics of righteousness for their own purposes...often selfishness, greed, war-mongering and the adhesion of the masses...as proven by the ancient Egyptians and the like.
It's a possibility, certainty. Anything more than your assertion and the logical fallacy of the argumentum ad populum to back it up?
Jesus died for us to prove the science of resurrection, which, however you might look at it, proves that he is working with a very advanced science and this should give all those who want proof all the proof they need.
If it only gives proof to those who are looking for a reason for it to be true, it probably doesn't constitute proof. The idea of proof is that it's independent of preconception.
The key to embracing that science is righteousness and this is achieved through the meekness of Jesus Christ and those that follow that meekness will inherit the Earth.
The key to embracing that 'science', it would appear, is failing to understand the word 'science'.
O.
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All:
The proof that there is a God, of the power and design Jesus Christ taught us about, is proven by the millions who have sought sanctity in Jesus' words.
Because many others have sought sanctity in other, false gods, shows the intensity of the hatred that builds up around us and inflicts appalling injury upon the more caring in this world. This is why false prophets are able to tamper with the mechanics of righteousness for their own purposes...often selfishness, greed, war-mongering and the adhesion of the masses...as proven by the ancient Egyptians and the like.
Jesus died for us to prove the science of resurrection, which, however you might look at it, proves that he is working with a very advanced science and this should give all those who want proof all the proof they need.
The key to embracing that science is righteousness and this is achieved through the meekness of Jesus Christ and those that follow that meekness will inherit the Earth.
What stupendous, monumental arrogance!
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What stupendous, monumental arrogance!
Read it again Owlswing...I cannot see a word of arrogance...only the desire to help lost sheep find their way through the arrogance and confusion created by man and his arrogant history leaving us all on the tipping point of chaos. Disaster that only Jesus Christ and meekness can save us from and then, only if we follow him (not me) accurately.
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Read it again Owlswing...I cannot see a word of arrogance...only the desire to help lost sheep find their way through the arrogance and confusion created by man and his arrogant history leaving us all on the tipping point of chaos. Disaster that only Jesus Christ and meekness can save us from and then, only if we follow him (not me) accurately.
NO - the arrogance is in your attitude of "my way or the highway" - your truth is that and that alone YOUR truth - NOT mine!
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NO - the arrogance is in your attitude of "my way or the highway" - your truth is that and that alone YOUR truth - NOT mine!
That's ok Owlswing...It is a bit like me walking along the canal bank and I see you struggling in the water. I jump in and try to rescue you but you say,'go away' you are not fit to rescue me...and after a few serious efforts to overcome your stubbornness I realise that I might drown too so I am forced to leave you. But here is the rub...Jesus Christ didn't leave you, nor anyone else for that matter because he left a science that can resurrect you until Almighty God says enough is enough and after one last effort allows you to follow your own fate...which the Bible calls...eternal damnation.
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That's ok Owlswing...It is a bit like me walking along the canal bank and I see you struggling in the water. I jump in and try to rescue you but you say,'go away' you are not fit to rescue me...and after a few serious efforts to overcome your stubbornness I realise that I might drown too so I am forced to leave you. But here is the rub...Jesus Christ didn't leave you, nor anyone else for that matter because he left a science that can resurrect you until Almighty God says enough is enough and after one last effort allows you to follow your own fate...which the Bible calls...eternal damnation.
It's not like that at all.
There there is a real canal filled with real water.
You only have an imaginary friend solving an imaginary problem.
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It's not like that at all.
There there is a real canal filled with real water.
You only have an imaginary friend solving an imaginary problem.
For your reasoning to work Outrider you must prove, not just to me but to your entire audience that the universe doesn't hold other worlds which support other lives and who don't have the ability and the science to do amazing things, well recorded with the weight of argument fully against you...plus the fact that they are showing a distinct level of meekness towards us...except for the evil contingent who, we are warned, are very evil.
In fact...I am reasoning to myself, the reason they are all benign at the moment is thanks to Jesus Christ stamping Almighty God's authority on this planet 2000 years ago.
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For your reasoning to work Outrider you must prove, not just to me but to your entire audience that the universe doesn't hold other worlds which support other lives and who don't have the ability and the science to do amazing things, well recorded with the weight of argument fully against you...
Uh, no I don't. For my reasoning to work you have to continue to fail to make a coherent case, so I can continue to dismiss what you say as without rational basis.
plus the fact that they are showing a distinct level of meekness towards us...except for the evil contingent who, we are warned, are very evil.
I was warned of many evil things as a child - most of them, it turns out, weren't real.
In fact...I am reasoning to myself, the reason they are all benign at the moment is thanks to Jesus Christ stamping Almighty God's authority on this planet 2000 years ago.
Jesus is Ultron done right? And your evidence for this is... 'Accurate' analysis of your giant book of fairy-tales, no doubt?
O.
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For your reasoning to work Outrider you must prove, not just to me but to your entire audience that the universe doesn't hold other worlds which support other lives and who don't have the ability and the science to do amazing things, well recorded with the weight of argument fully against you...plus the fact that they are showing a distinct level of meekness towards us...except for the evil contingent who, we are warned, are very evil.
In fact...I am reasoning to myself, the reason they are all benign at the moment is thanks to Jesus Christ stamping Almighty God's authority on this planet 2000 years ago.
What?
What are you drinking, and in what quantity?
This is potty!
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"Jesus is Ultron done right? And your evidence for this is... 'Accurate' analysis of your giant book of fairy-tales, no doubt?" As soon as I read someone talking about "fairy tales," I look elsewhere. It is so juvenile.
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"Jesus is Ultron done right? And your evidence for this is... 'Accurate' analysis of your giant book of fairy-tales, no doubt?" As soon as I read someone talking about "fairy tales," I look elsewhere. It is so juvenile.
That's how I'd feel about people reading them if it weren't for their blowing themselves up in crowded restaurants, bombing planes, selling people into slavery, voting against equality measures in advanced democracies...
O.
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That's how I'd feel about people reading them if it weren't for their blowing themselves up in crowded restaurants, bombing planes, selling people into slavery, voting against equality measures in advanced democracies...
O.
I'm referring to the Bible, not the Qu'ran. Unless,of course you mean the Bible, in which case you'll provide examples, of course, of where it advocates any of your descriptions: and give examples of actual incidents.
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That's ok Owlswing...It is a bit like me walking along the canal bank and I see you struggling in the water. I jump in and try to rescue you but you say,'go away' you are not fit to rescue me...and after a few serious efforts to overcome your stubbornness I realise that I might drown too so I am forced to leave you. But here is the rub...Jesus Christ didn't leave you, nor anyone else for that matter because he left a science that can resurrect you until Almighty God says enough is enough and after one last effort allows you to follow your own fate...which the Bible calls...eternal damnation.
Listen to me - and this time I mean LISTEN!
I gave up Christianity and my belief in your Jesus Christ because when I really, really, needed him and his support and his help, when I earnestly, on my knees in the house of his father begged and pleaded for his help night after night for a week and a half I got Jack Shit - fucking blind sodding silence, zip, nothing nada!
You take take him and all your protestations that he loves me, that his father loves loves me and you can shove them where the sun don't shine with the sharp edges outwards!
Do you understand now?
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Listen to me - and this time I mean LISTEN!
I gave up Christianity and my belief in your Jesus Christ because when I really, really, needed him and his support and his help, when I earnestly, on my knees in the house of his father begged and pleaded for his help night after night for a week and a half I got Jack Shit - fucking blind sodding silence, zip, nothing nada!
You take take him and all your protestations that he loves me, that his father loves loves me and you can shove them where the sun don't shine with the sharp edges outwards!
Do you understand now?
Of course I understand that Owlswing...If I remember correctly, Floo has a similar story...Many of us have been through similar dilemmas and found the same void and I have no intention of preaching any other view than the one you reached under those circumstances. These things happen because there are many influences in our lives, most of them destructive, but the one pattern of life that isn't destructive is righteousness and we have got to realise that we can't just switch it on...we must follow it and see how it upbuilds our inner structure and promises resurrection, and a time when all tears will be wiped from our eyes...but it is Jesus' accurate teaching that offers this...iniquity is just a subterfuge though many follow its distorted faith.
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I'm referring to the Bible, not the Qu'ran. Unless,of course you mean the Bible, in which case you'll provide examples, of course, of where it advocates any of your descriptions: and give examples of actual incidents.
Sorry, I'm supposed to differentiate between fairy-tales? You don't seem to appreciate that in supporting the idea that 'religion' has value, in being an apologist for religion, you are part of the wall of acceptability that these arseholes hide behind.
Their interpretation of their baseless nonsense is exactly as valid as your interpretation of your baseless nonsense - if we have to respect your right to your beliefs we have to respect their right to their beliefs. However, in exactly the same way that you don't have to respect the content of their beliefs or the source of their beliefs because it's palpably mental, we don't have to respect the content or source of your beliefs for exactly the same reason.
You don't appear to make that connection, you appear to think there's something qualitatively different between your faith position and their's, but so far as I can see it's different names for the same nonsense.
O.
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Sorry, I'm supposed to differentiate between fairy-tales? You don't seem to appreciate that in supporting the idea that 'religion' has value, in being an apologist for religion, you are part of the wall of acceptability that these arseholes hide behind.
Their interpretation of their baseless nonsense is exactly as valid as your interpretation of your baseless nonsense - if we have to respect your right to your beliefs we have to respect their right to their beliefs. However, in exactly the same way that you don't have to respect the content of their beliefs or the source of their beliefs because it's palpably mental, we don't have to respect the content or source of your beliefs for exactly the same reason.
You don't appear to make that connection, you appear to think there's something qualitatively different between your faith position and their's, but so far as I can see it's different names for the same nonsense.
O.
I was about to answer, but when I saw the tone of your remarks, so I decided to sweep some leaves up instead. ::)
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Listen to me - and this time I mean LISTEN!
I gave up Christianity and my belief in your Jesus Christ because when I really, really, needed him and his support and his help, when I earnestly, on my knees in the house of his father begged and pleaded for his help night after night for a week and a half I got Jack Shit - fucking blind sodding silence, zip, nothing nada!
You take take him and all your protestations that he loves me, that his father loves loves me and you can shove them where the sun don't shine with the sharp edges outwards!
Do you understand now?
As a child I really needed Jesus to come through for me when I had a problem which seemed so serious to me, it kept me awake at nights for a couple of years. I even briefly contemplated suicide. :o I prayed and prayed for Jesus to give me some sign he was there for me but I never did receive one! It was no wonder my faith disappeared when the doubts became overwhelming.
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Of course I understand that Owlswing...If I remember correctly, Floo has a similar story...Many of us have been through similar dilemmas and found the same void and I have no intention of preaching any other view than the one you reached under those circumstances. These things happen because there are many influences in our lives, most of them destructive, but the one pattern of life that isn't destructive is righteousness and we have got to realise that we can't just switch it on...we must follow it and see how it upbuilds our inner structure and promises resurrection, and a time when all tears will be wiped from our eyes...but it is Jesus' accurate teaching that offers this...iniquity is just a subterfuge though many follow its distorted faith.
NM if Jesus can't see his way to responding to someone who desperately needs him, 'especially a child, he either doesn't give a damn, or much more likely is long dead.
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NM if Jesus can't see his way to responding to someone who desperately needs him, 'especially a child, he either doesn't give a damn, or much more likely is long dead.
Our problem Floo is that Almighty God has decreed that the evil and the good must live side by side until Judgment Day. This means that all the evil influences are being played out all around us all the time and many evil influences affect many people and the only protection we have is the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.
You would think that many people who have been hurt by these evil influences would say to themselves 'I will follow Jesus according to what is written rather than what is portrayed' but they don't they turn to iniquity. Hence they are inflicted with a teaching that has no power.
How can you harness God's fountain of living waters from an agent of iniquity??
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I was about to answer, but when I saw the tone of your remarks, so I decided to sweep some leaves up instead. ::)
You can choose to remain silent on the issue if you wish, of course, and I am free to infer from your silence that you acknowledge the point and couldn't find a rebuttal hidden amongst that detritus - but at least your lawn will look nice.
O.
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Our problem Floo is that Almighty God has decreed that the evil and the good must live side by side until Judgment Day.
But Voldemort has decreed that the muggles must be exterminated - how do you balance these two competing requirements?
This means that all the evil influences are being played out all around us all the time and many evil influences affect many people and the only protection we have is the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.
Really? The only defence you have is your imaginary friend? How about, say, political activism, labour unions, the legal system, community and social action. When your religion says 'suck it up, these things happen', what makes you think that's serving your interests and not, say, those of the 'evil influences' that would regard opposition as a hindrance?
You would think that many people who have been hurt by these evil influences would say to themselves 'I will follow Jesus according to what is written rather than what is portrayed' but they don't they turn to iniquity.
The problem here is that you can replace 'Jesus' with 'Muhammed' or 'Joseph Smith' or 'L Ron Hubbard' or 'Flying Spaghetti Monster' and it's equally as valid. How do I choose with unevidenced nonsense to follow?
Hence they are inflicted with a teaching that has no power.
And yet those who have had the most success fighting back against those 'evil influences' are those that have most completely done away with the nonsense of religion: secular countries, countries with higher proportions of atheists, are happier, healthier, more equitable places.
How can you harness God's fountain of living waters from an agent of iniquity??
How can you live in the 21st Century and still believe this 1st Century bollocks?
O.
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Outrider:
It isn't important what you think Outrider it is more a question of what you believe. I believe that the universe is made from an indestructible, superabundant, invisible, dynamic energy. It is first made known to us in Isaiah as the force, owned by Almighty God, as the primary force behind Creation. I further believe that Jesus Christ, in the name of his father, was teaching us how to harness this force for our very best interests. Further, I believe that the state of this world today is a direct result of mankind abandoning the love, good order and honesty of the Holy Bible and we are reaping the results of our greed, selfishness, and lack of care for our fellow men.
What it all boils down to is that I have a hope in the future even if it means resurrection whilst you can only offer war, and more war, and eternal damnation...No choice really.
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It isn't important what you think Outrider it is more a question of what you believe.
Religion in a nutshell - it's not important to think, truthiness over truth.
I believe that the universe is made from an indestructible, superabundant, invisible, dynamic energy.
Why do you believe that? On what basis did you come to that determination?
It is first made known to us in Isaiah as the force, owned by Almighty God, as the primary force behind Creation.
No, it's not 'made known', this isn't about thinking, this is about believing: it's first ASSERTED in Isaiah.
I further believe that Jesus Christ, in the name of his father, was teaching us how to harness this force for our very best interests.
Why do you believe that and not Muhammed's account of God's desires, or the Old Testament account, or Joseph Smith's take on it, or L Ron Hubbard's 'revelation' that it's all a myth and the Thetans are waiting...
Further, I believe that the state of this world today is a direct result of mankind abandoning the love, good order and honesty of the Holy Bible and we are reaping the results of our greed, selfishness, and lack of care for our fellow men.
And yet the world is improving, and it's improving most in those place which abandon the superstition the most. Believing in the absence of evidence is one thing, but believing contrary to the evidence is just stupidity, surely?
What it all boils down to is that I have a hope in the future even if it means resurrection whilst you can only offer war, and more war, and eternal damnation...No choice really.
No, I offer realistic hope - if we put in effort we can reap rewards and make this a better place. What I don't offer is make-believe 'next lives' to placate and pacify people into just accepting their lot in this one.
O.
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You can choose to remain silent on the issue if you wish, of course, and I am free to infer from your silence that you acknowledge the point and couldn't find a rebuttal hidden amongst that detritus - but at least your lawn will look nice.
O.
Actually, the lawn is as bad as ever: more wretched leaves got blown in over-night. :)
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Our problem Floo is that Almighty God has decreed that the evil and the good must live side by side until Judgment Day. This means that all the evil influences are being played out all around us all the time and many evil influences affect many people and the only protection we have is the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.
You would think that many people who have been hurt by these evil influences would say to themselves 'I will follow Jesus according to what is written rather than what is portrayed' but they don't they turn to iniquity. Hence they are inflicted with a teaching that has no power.
How can you harness God's fountain of living waters from an agent of iniquity??
What an evil b*stard the deity would be if that was true!
How do you KNOW that anything attributed to Jesus is 'accurate' or actually had anything to do with him? The answer to that is you don't, however much you want it to be true.
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What an evil b*stard the deity would be if that was true!
How do you KNOW that anything attributed to Jesus is 'accurate' or actually had anything to do with him? The answer to that is you don't, however much you want it to be true.
It's still swearing, so don't pretend.
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It's still swearing, so don't pretend.
If that is tha way you want it, you can have it - he is an evil BASTARD!
And no pretty words or chocolate sprinkles are going to change that!
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Well, I suppose the deity doesn't have Dad ;)
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Well, I suppose the deity doesn't have Dad ;)
Well he does, but it's him... it's like a bad episode* of Eastenders.
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* or, for accuracy, a particularly bad episode given that the baseline is pretty low...
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Well he does, but it's him... it's like a bad episode* of Eastenders.
O.
* or, for accuracy, a particularly bad episode given that the baseline is pretty low...
No, it's a sitcom called 'And Jesus makes three'
Starts off with Jesus getting home and God the Father shouting 'Have you tidied you room yet?' And winking at the camera because being omniscient he always knows he hasn't. To which Jesus replies 'Yep' and turns to the camera and winks twice since as he is omnipotent it happens instantly. Ended with the Holy Spirit coming in the Paraclete Flap and saying Woof
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No, it's a sitcom called 'And Jesus makes three'
Starts off with Jesus getting home and God the Father shouting 'Have you tidied you room yet?' And winking at the camera because being omniscient he always knows he hasn't. To which Jesus replies 'Yep' and turns to the camera and winks twice since as he is omnipotent it happens instantly. Ended with the Holy Spirit coming in the Paraclete Flap and saying Woof
I miss the smiting from the original series.
I prefer this remake: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og5HJyHrLXE
O.
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I miss the smiting from the original series.
I prefer this remake: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og5HJyHrLXE
O.
That would be the OT black and white version with the smiting? I remember the scene with the Israelites conquered the mountain and then went down to the valley and said 'Move it, you lot, the Lord is with us'. To which they just shrugged and said 'Lord, schmord, behold the Iron Chariots' who were a popular beat combo in the valley and also the cavern
And the Israelites turned to the Schmord and beheld a rapidly retreating pillar of dust.
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Dearest Dearie me,
Gonnagle reaches for his old and crumpled thesis entitled "Why atheists don't do comedy" and thinks, Izzard, Connolly..... Black Swans! exceptions to the rule.
Anyway, time for question time. Goodnight forum.
Gonnagle.
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If that is tha way you want it, you can have it - he is an evil BASTARD!
And no pretty words or chocolate sprinkles are going to change that!
I've totally lost my taste for chocolate: it's a tragedy.