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Religion and Ethics Discussion => Christian Topic => Topic started by: NicholasMarks on November 22, 2015, 01:38:16 PM
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Building a Universe God’s Way
First we need a huge space…the size the universe is now, and scattered within it a superabundant material that is weightless and massless…An invisible, fluid type, material, just swirls around this massive universe gathering into denser and denser clouds. Clouds that would eventually become the great size that galaxies were to become and each carrying the same potential force that was to become stars and atoms and take the shape of the universe we now know….So, we have a static universe that has always been and always will be…just waiting for a trigger that would set it all in motion.
This came in the form of a universe sized Hadron Collider…when two huge dense clouds drifted into each other and sent their huge dense cores charging towards each other for central dominance. It is this big-bang, when it came, that created the first black hole and set in motion a new set of laws that is the starting point of all science and which puts Almighty God firmly on the highest pinnacle of Creation.
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Building a Universe God’s Way
First we need a huge space…the size the universe is now
What size is it, Sparky?
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I am beginning to wonder what is fuelling NM's imagination? ::)
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Dear Nicholas,
Building a Universe God’s Way
Is there another way ;)
Gonnagle.
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First we need a huge space…the size the universe is now, and scattered within it a superabundant material that is weightless and massless…An invisible, fluid type, material, just swirls around this massive universe gathering into denser and denser clouds. Clouds that would eventually become the great size that galaxies were to become and each carrying the same potential force that was to become stars and atoms and take the shape of the universe we now know….So, we have a static universe that has always been and always will be…just waiting for a trigger that would set it all in motion.[/quot]
The concepts of 'size' that you are referring to didn't exist before the big bang that created the universe - those dimension we operate in are a feature of the universe, not of the reality in which the universe occurred.
This came in the form of a universe sized Hadron Collider…when two huge dense clouds drifted into each other and sent their huge dense cores charging towards each other for central dominance. It is this big-bang, when it came, that created the first black hole and set in motion a new set of laws that is the starting point of all science and which puts Almighty God firmly on the highest pinnacle of Creation.
Hadrons, like the dimensions above, are a product of the universe, not a precursor.
Learn some science.
O.
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Outrider, Gonnagle, Floo, Shaker:
I couldn't get all the components for my experiment in my lab. so we will have to work with our imaginations but using the Holy Bible and modern science as our tram-lines to keep us on target.
Notice that within our cloud of dark matter we have a huge imploding hole surrounded by masses of this dense material which was now being sucked into this spinning black-hole, filling it and overfilling it, spewing out massless stars, one after the other whilst, simultaneously, massive shock-waves were emanating out from this crash-site which were passing through every other cloud in the universe whipping them up into a spinning frenzy, and, at the same time, blowing them away from the source so that an expanding universes came into being...and while this was taking place the spinning massless galaxy clouds were turning into spiralling hurricanes, sucking into the eye of their storms, massless solar balls of energy, each one spiralling up their individual hurricane columns before being centrifugally discharged from the rim of this hurricane's storm force out into the surrounding space taking up the form of a spiralling galaxy.
I cannot think of a better explanation for the universe we see before us today...and we haven't yet, made a single atom ...but we will...and it is all possible because the Holy Bible and modern science concur...There is a superabundant, invisible, almost undetectable, dynamic energy, out there in the great abyss we call space.
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Hadrons, like the dimensions above, are a product of the universe, not a precursor.
Learn some science.
O.
Come on you've Been talking about infinite matter for days now. How can you argue about infinite Hadrons?
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Come on you've Been talking about infinite matter for days now. How can you argue about infinite Hadrons?
Still not getting around to your alternate methodology for demonstrating magic? Or are these 'spiritual, intelligent-matter' infinite hadrons?
O.
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Outrider, Gonnagle, Floo, Shaker:
I couldn't get all the components for my experiment in my lab. so we will have to work with our imaginations but using the Holy Bible and modern science as our tram-lines to keep us on target.
Notice that within our cloud of dark matter we have a huge imploding hole surrounded by masses of this dense material which was now being sucked into this spinning black-hole, filling it and overfilling it, spewing out massless stars, one after the other whilst, simultaneously, massive shock-waves were emanating out from this crash-site which were passing through every other cloud in the universe whipping them up into a spinning frenzy, and, at the same time, blowing them away from the source so that an expanding universes came into being...and while this was taking place the spinning massless galaxy clouds were turning into spiralling hurricanes, sucking into the eye of their storms, massless solar balls of energy, each one spiralling up their individual hurricane columns before being centrifugally discharged from the rim of this hurricane's storm force out into the surrounding space taking up the form of a spiralling galaxy.
I cannot think of a better explanation for the universe we see before us today...and we haven't yet, made a single atom ...but we will...and it is all possible because the Holy Bible and modern science concur...There is a superabundant, invisible, almost undetectable, dynamic energy, out there in the great abyss we call space.
;D
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Outrider, Gonnagle, Floo, Shaker:
I couldn't get all the components for my experiment in my lab. so we will have to work with our imaginations but using the Holy Bible and modern science as our tram-lines to keep us on target.
Notice that within our cloud of dark matter we have a huge imploding hole surrounded by masses of this dense material which was now being sucked into this spinning black-hole, filling it and overfilling it, spewing out massless stars, one after the other whilst, simultaneously, massive shock-waves were emanating out from this crash-site which were passing through every other cloud in the universe whipping them up into a spinning frenzy, and, at the same time, blowing them away from the source so that an expanding universes came into being...and while this was taking place the spinning massless galaxy clouds were turning into spiralling hurricanes, sucking into the eye of their storms, massless solar balls of energy, each one spiralling up their individual hurricane columns before being centrifugally discharged from the rim of this hurricane's storm force out into the surrounding space taking up the form of a spiralling galaxy.
I cannot think of a better explanation for the universe we see before us today...and we haven't yet, made a single atom ...but we will...and it is all possible because the Holy Bible and modern science concur...There is a superabundant, invisible, almost undetectable, dynamic energy, out there in the great abyss we call space.
NM, there's several assertions in amongst this post of yours, I can see you like to use assertions in connection with this belief of yours, that's fine.
I'm having some difficulty getting an answer from you that might clear up some of the misunderstandings of your posts.
I wondered how it is you have apparently managed to back up your assertions with even more assertions, do you think it would be possible to tell me how this works?
I have asked you to clear up this minor point several times and you've still not answered me and I'm sure I'm not the only member of this forum that would like to hear how you can successfully back up an assertion with another assertion, I'm really looking forward to reading your explanation of how this can be done?
I do know that I've repeated myself here in my post it's just I thought perhaps I hadn't expressed myself clearly enough in my earlier posts and that might be why you haven't answered?
ippy
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NM, there's several assertions in amongst this post of yours, I can see you like to use assertions in connection with this belief of yours, that's fine.
I'm having some difficulty getting an answer from you that might clear up some of the misunderstandings of your posts.
I wondered how it is you have apparently managed to back up your assertions with even more assertions, do you think it would be possible to tell me how this works?
I have asked you to clear up this minor point several times and you've still not answered me and I'm sure I'm not the only member of this forum that would like to hear how you can successfully back up an assertion with another assertion, I'm really looking forward to reading your explanation of how this can be done?
I do know that I've repeated myself here in my post it's just I thought perhaps I hadn't expressed myself clearly enough in my earlier posts and that might be why you haven't answered?
ippy
My key assertion that is probably giving you most trouble ippy is the one where I suggest that there is a strong mechanical link between all modes of gravity which your modern science has proven without a doubt activates itself by magic as they do when they contradict themselves over all the mass in the universe being the result of a singularity that spewed out of a dot no bigger than a bunion on a flea's bottom.
I have sought to resolve these magician's tricks whilst leaving the bulk of science intact and, with the help of the Holy Bible, have established, to my own satisfaction, that Almighty God and Jesus Christ are universal scientists of very high standing and it is wise to peel away the iniquity that surrounds them and live by their code of practice and thereby be prepared for whatever happens in the future...which, incidentally, sounds pretty grim.
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I couldn't get all the components for my experiment in my lab. so we will have to work with our imaginations but using the Holy Bible and modern science as our tram-lines to keep us on target.
If you can't test it then your hypothesis remains an hypothesis - that's a valid stage of a scientific process, obviously, but even with the proviso that all scientific claims are provisional that means you can't claim this is a fact - it is at best a possibility, and you still need to work on rephrasing it into an account that would make the test repeatable.
Notice that within our cloud of dark matter we have a huge imploding hole surrounded by masses of this dense material which was now being sucked into this spinning black-hole, filling it and overfilling it, spewing out massless stars, one after the other whilst, simultaneously, massive shock-waves were emanating out from this crash-site which were passing through every other cloud in the universe whipping them up into a spinning frenzy, and, at the same time, blowing them away from the source so that an expanding universes came into being...
Firstly, if you aren't going to bother learning any science, at least learn to use punctuation!
Secondly, whilst there is some evidence to support the idea of black holes, there is no evidence yet to support the notion of dark matter, and certainly no evidence that at any point the two have come into close proximity.
If they were to meet, can you explain by what process you think 'shockwaves' would have been given off, and what medium you think they would have been transmitted through?
and while this was taking place the spinning massless galaxy clouds were turning into spiralling hurricanes, sucking into the eye of their storms, massless solar balls of energy, each one spiralling up their individual hurricane columns before being centrifugally discharged from the rim of this hurricane's storm force out into the surrounding space taking up the form of a spiralling galaxy.
If they were massless, what was constraining them into spirals? At that range electrical forces are negligible, and 'solar balls' (which suggests helium undergoing fusion due to compression because of the gravitational effects of that much mass in one space) suggests gravity and therefore mass.
I cannot think of a better explanation for the universe we see before us today...
I completely believe that. Luckily, other people have come up with much, much more detailed depictions, with the mathematical and evidentiary backing to give us reasonable confidence in their explanations.
and we haven't yet, made a single atom ...
I suggest you go look at what comes out of every single nuclear reactor on the planet, be it fusion or fission.
and it is all possible because the Holy Bible and modern science concur...
No it isn't, because in general they don't, and in the few instances where they do (if you are poetic in your interpretation of the Bible) it's more than reasonable to presume that's more coincidence and the trivialities of poetry than any deeper understanding on the part of the people who made up those stories.
There is a superabundant, invisible, almost undetectable, dynamic energy, out there in the great abyss we call space.
That seems entirely likely. There is every reason to think that would be the case even if the Roman Empire hadn't adopted Christianity as its chosen mythology and instituted the events that led to that particular myth taking hold.
Under very slightly different circumstances you'd be here telling us how clouds of Athena's condensed wisdom fought against the sucking force of the Wells of Hades in the stars to give birth to Gaia.
And that would be unevidenced nonsense as well.
O.
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My key assertion that is probably giving you most trouble ippy is the one where I suggest that there is a strong mechanical link between all modes of gravity which your modern science has proven without a doubt activates itself by magic as they do when they contradict themselves over all the mass in the universe being the result of a singularity that spewed out of a dot no bigger than a bunion on a flea's bottom.
I have sought to resolve these magician's tricks whilst leaving the bulk of science intact and, with the help of the Holy Bible, have established, to my own satisfaction, that Almighty God and Jesus Christ are universal scientists of very high standing and it is wise to peel away the iniquity that surrounds them and live by their code of practice and thereby be prepared for whatever happens in the future...which, incidentally, sounds pretty grim.
You might see it that way NM, and of course you are entitled to do so, but your assertion has absolutely nothing to support it, the Bible is not evidence.
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My key assertion that is probably giving you most trouble ippy is the one where I suggest that there is a strong mechanical link between all modes of gravity which your modern science has proven without a doubt activates itself by magic as they do when they contradict themselves over all the mass in the universe being the result of a singularity that spewed out of a dot no bigger than a bunion on a flea's bottom.
I have sought to resolve these magician's tricks whilst leaving the bulk of science intact and, with the help of the Holy Bible, have established, to my own satisfaction, that Almighty God and Jesus Christ are universal scientists of very high standing and it is wise to peel away the iniquity that surrounds them and live by their code of practice and thereby be prepared for whatever happens in the future...which, incidentally, sounds pretty grim.
Thank you very much NM thanks for letting me have your thoughts but there's still a little problem; you still haven't told me how anyone not just you NM can use an assertion as evidence, if you like, that could be used to back up another, any other assertion?
It looks as though you've gone all around the bushes on any other subject that doesn't include an answer to my question about the use of assertions.
Please give an answer a try, remembering assertions and how to use them successfully.
The only trouble your posts are giving me is that you're not answering the question I'm asking, other than that I'm fine with your posts, don't forget, the particular question I'm asking doesn't involve anything about god Jesus or any other aspect of you religious beliefs.
ippy
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ippy, Floo, Outrider:
Do you mind very much if we get on to building a few atoms now because I am working to a tight schedule...I have to convert all the atheists (or as many as possible) into the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ before the planet slips its orbit sending us all hurtling out into space....and we are nowhere near the birth of and the path of living-cells and life.
We have all the energy we need captured inside every solar ball of energy that has been born by the imploding force of the black-hole (eye of the hurricane), each of which is packed tightly by the gravitational influence of each individual star's black-hole that it sits in. All this matter and energy is very dense and is spinning and crashing into each other as the star rises up the column of the galaxies storm forces...which...remember, is also accelerating up to the speed of the expanding universe. By the time the star is centrifugally hurled out into the galaxies area of influence it will already have transformed much of its energy into fully fledged hydrogen atoms using a behaviour pattern quite capable of producing every atom known to science and perhaps a few more...and the repeatability of this process is shown to us many, many, many, trillions of times, over and over again.
This is where the two separate dimensions kick in. The first dimension being the static universe that existed before the big-bang and the second dimension being the high-speed universe that sits on top of the first dimension which came into being after the big-bang. It is the high-speed dimension that we live in, and upon which all our modern sciences are based, but we cannot fail to realise that this dimension clashes with another dimension from time to time, giving us some peculiar behaviour patterns, like, time slips...peculiar gravitation displays...peculiar space vehicle phenomenon...peculiar Higgs bosuns.
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Do you mind very much if we get on to building a few atoms now because I am working to a tight schedule...I have to convert all the atheists (or as many as possible) into the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ before the planet slips its orbit sending us all hurtling out into space....and we are nowhere near the birth of and the path of living-cells and life.
Go ahead, but make sure and take picture - you might need a zoom, because atoms are quite small.
We have all the energy we need captured inside every solar ball of energy that has been born by the imploding force of the black-hole (eye of the hurricane), each of which is packed tightly by the gravitational influence of each individual star's black-hole that it sits in. All this matter and energy is very dense and is spinning and crashing into each other as the star rises up the column of the galaxies storm forces...which...remember, is also accelerating up to the speed of the expanding universe. By the time the star is centrifugally hurled out into the galaxies area of influence it will already have transformed much of its energy into fully fledged hydrogen atoms using a behaviour pattern quite capable of producing every atom known to science and perhaps a few more...and the repeatability of this process is shown to us many, many, many, trillions of times, over and over again.
*cough* bullshit *cough*
This is where the two separate dimensions kick in. The first dimension being the static universe that existed before the big-bang and the second dimension being the high-speed universe that sits on top of the first dimension which came into being after the big-bang. It is the high-speed dimension that we live in, and upon which all our modern sciences are based, but we cannot fail to realise that this dimension clashes with another dimension from time to time, giving us some peculiar behaviour patterns, like, time slips...peculiar gravitation displays...peculiar space vehicle phenomenon...peculiar Higgs bosuns.
On top of all the times I've pointed out the abject crap that your posts constitutes, I do feel obliged to add that Higgs was not a mariner, and did not have bosuns.
O.
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ippy, Floo, Outrider:
Do you mind very much if we get on to building a few atoms now because I am working to a tight schedule...I have to convert all the atheists (or as many as possible) into the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ before the planet slips its orbit sending us all hurtling out into space....and we are nowhere near the birth of and the path of living-cells and life.
We have all the energy we need captured inside every solar ball of energy that has been born by the imploding force of the black-hole (eye of the hurricane), each of which is packed tightly by the gravitational influence of each individual star's black-hole that it sits in. All this matter and energy is very dense and is spinning and crashing into each other as the star rises up the column of the galaxies storm forces...which...remember, is also accelerating up to the speed of the expanding universe. By the time the star is centrifugally hurled out into the galaxies area of influence it will already have transformed much of its energy into fully fledged hydrogen atoms using a behaviour pattern quite capable of producing every atom known to science and perhaps a few more...and the repeatability of this process is shown to us many, many, many, trillions of times, over and over again.
This is where the two separate dimensions kick in. The first dimension being the static universe that existed before the big-bang and the second dimension being the high-speed universe that sits on top of the first dimension which came into being after the big-bang. It is the high-speed dimension that we live in, and upon which all our modern sciences are based, but we cannot fail to realise that this dimension clashes with another dimension from time to time, giving us some peculiar behaviour patterns, like, time slips...peculiar gravitation displays...peculiar space vehicle phenomenon...peculiar Higgs bosuns.
NM, you are having a 'larf', you can't can't be serious, surely? ::)
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Floo:
No...Floo...The ones having a laugh are the ones who tell you to your face that the entire mass of the universe sprung from a tiny dot so very small but contained the influence that would create trillions upon trillions of stars from trillions of galaxies.
It would be much more honest to just say, God did it...but I can show you how he did it. Not (as you well know) because I'm clever, but because I read what is written about Almighty God and Jesus Christ.
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Floo:
No...Floo...The ones having a laugh are the ones who tell you to your face that the entire mass of the universe sprung from a tiny dot so very small but contained the influence that would create trillions upon trillions of stars from trillions of galaxies.
It would be much more honest to just say, God did it...but I can show you how he did it. Not (as you well know) because I'm clever, but because I read what is written about Almighty God and Jesus Christ.
NM I don't think there is anyone on this forum who takes you seriously, Christians included. You don't make any sense whatsoever. ::)
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NM I don't think there is anyone on this forum who takes you seriously, Christians included. You don't make any sense whatsoever. ::)
I cannot understand why people respond to his insane posts.
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I cannot understand why people respond to his insane posts.
One shouldn't of course, but they are like an itch which has to be scratched!
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One shouldn't of course, but they are like an itch which has to be scratched!
The thing is, you've been itching for years. If you don't leave it alone,it will never get better.
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I cannot understand why people respond to his insane posts.
I don't - but I'm a fan nonetheless.
I don't agree with Nick but he is good-natured, entertaining (even if he doesn't intend to be) and enthusiastic: a real life-enhancer, and I hope he stays with us!
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If you can't test it then your hypothesis remains an hypothesis - that's a valid stage of a scientific process
That's rich coming from a guy who thinks infinite material regression is the only reasonable truth.
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I am beginning to wonder what is fuelling NM's imagination? ::)
I think his doctor has got his medication levels too high and sparky is really sparking!!!
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I think his doctor has got his medication levels too high and sparky is really sparking!!!
Perhaps he's changed over from dynamism to alternatorism this would deliver more power without so many Revs.
ippy
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That's rich coming from a guy who thinks infinite material regression is the only reasonable truth.
Not the only one of necessity, the only reasonable one I've heard. If you've got a reasonable one, put it forward - you'll either need to do what NM here is doing and try to use science, or you'll have to come up with another methodology to reliably validate non-physical claims.
Good luck :)
O.
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Outrider, ippy, Jack Knave, On stage before it wore off, Gordon, BashfulAthony, Floo, BeRational, ~TW~:
Boy, I didn't realise that there were so many on here who couldn't stretch their minds around a few simple, and scientific, mental gymnastics...but I should have realised because the poor mechanics of alertness and mental agility are the natural results of not following Jesus accurately...or sin, that drags down our genetic health...but we'll get to that later.
Right now we need to understand the power of zero-point energy or, rather, the clashing forces between the two dimensions I mentioned earlier. For this we need a simple analogy.
If we all went on a high-speed train together, travelling at say, the speed of the expanding universe and for cheapness we all had to stand in the corridor by the carriage doors, and the carriage door suddenly swung open, there would be a great suction pulling us out into the static world outside. The closest to the door would be the first and would be pulled from every direction and as many as were there would be sucked into the doorway jamming the doorway and reducing the suction power....these are the neutron people. Once these were wedged in as the nucleus there would still be a powerful implosive force seeping past the nuetrons dragging in another tier of people these would be the proton people and then a much reduced imploding power would seep past these through the tiniest ley-lines of implosive force that were passing through the neatly stacked jumble of people that were making up that nucleus...this third layer would be the electron people, all clinging to that imploding force which we will call...because it closely resembles what is happening inside every atom...the 'Higgs bosun'.
Now we should be able to see by this caricature what is happening inside every newly born star and all the hidden mechanics that contribute towards life...if I am right...and the Holy Bible and modern science suggests I am.
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Outrider, Gonnagle, Floo, Shaker:
I couldn't get all the components for my experiment in my lab. so we will have to work with our imaginations but using the Holy Bible and modern science as our tram-lines to keep us on target.
Notice that within our cloud of dark matter we have a huge imploding hole surrounded by masses of this dense material which was now being sucked into this spinning black-hole, filling it and overfilling it, spewing out massless stars, one after the other whilst, simultaneously, massive shock-waves were emanating out from this crash-site which were passing through every other cloud in the universe whipping them up into a spinning frenzy, and, at the same time, blowing them away from the source so that an expanding universes came into being...and while this was taking place the spinning massless galaxy clouds were turning into spiralling hurricanes, sucking into the eye of their storms, massless solar balls of energy, each one spiralling up their individual hurricane columns before being centrifugally discharged from the rim of this hurricane's storm force out into the surrounding space taking up the form of a spiralling galaxy.
I cannot think of a better explanation for the universe we see before us today...and we haven't yet, made a single atom ...but we will...and it is all possible because the Holy Bible and modern science concur...There is a superabundant, invisible, almost undetectable, dynamic energy, out there in the great abyss we call space.
How about Jam Doughnuts will we still be able to get them and will we still have competitions where we eat them without licking our lips :D :D
~TW~
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Outrider, ippy, Jack Knave, On stage before it wore off, Gordon, BashfulAthony, Floo, BeRational, ~TW~:
Boy, I didn't realise that there were so many on here who couldn't stretch their minds around a few simple, and scientific, mental gymnastics...but I should have realised because the poor mechanics of alertness and mental agility are the natural results of not following Jesus accurately...or sin, that drags down our genetic health...but we'll get to that later.
Right now we need to understand the power of zero-point energy or, rather, the clashing forces between the two dimensions I mentioned earlier. For this we need a simple analogy.
If we all went on a high-speed train together, travelling at say, the speed of the expanding universe and for cheapness we all had to stand in the corridor by the carriage doors, and the carriage door suddenly swung open, there would be a great suction pulling us out into the static world outside. The closest to the door would be the first and would be pulled from every direction and as many as were there would be sucked into the doorway jamming the doorway and reducing the suction power....these are the neutron people. Once these were wedged in as the nucleus there would still be a powerful implosive force seeping past the nuetrons dragging in another tier of people these would be the proton people and then a much reduced imploding power would seep past these through the tiniest ley-lines of implosive force that were passing through the neatly stacked jumble of people that were making up that nucleus...this third layer would be the electron people, all clinging to that imploding force which we will call...because it closely resembles what is happening inside every atom...the 'Higgs bosun'.
Now we should be able to see by this caricature what is happening inside every newly born star and all the hidden mechanics that contribute towards life...if I am right...and the Holy Bible and modern science suggests I am.
Our imaginations don't work in the same way as yours, NM! ;D
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NM still nothing on assertions then, why's that?
ippy
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ippy, Floo, ~TW~:
Nothing on assertions ippy but loads and loads upon the workings of chemistry, electricity and magnetism and guess what??...with a little ingenuity we will see why Jesus Christ is so important to us in these 'last days' and, how, we being the by-product of these chemical, electrical, and magnetic forces, we might benefit from his teaching which starts with him stating...'upbuild within our own person a righteous spirit'.
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Boy, I didn't realise that there were so many on here who couldn't stretch their minds around a few simple, and scientific, mental gymnastics...but I should have realised because the poor mechanics of alertness and mental agility are the natural results of not following Jesus accurately...or sin, that drags down our genetic health...but we'll get to that later.
Yeah, about that... I'm not rejecting your claim because I don't understand it, I'm rejecting it because you've not supplied sufficient evidence to back it up, and some of your sources of information are - at best - questionable.
Right now we need to understand the power of zero-point energy or, rather, the clashing forces between the two dimensions I mentioned earlier. For this we need a simple analogy.
No, for this you need to explain what you mean by 'dimensions' because you aren't using it the way conventional science does - that does not make you wrong, but it is confusing.
If we all went on a high-speed train together, travelling at say, the speed of the expanding universe and for cheapness we all had to stand in the corridor by the carriage doors, and the carriage door suddenly swung open, there would be a great suction pulling us out into the static world outside.
Except that's not how the universe is expanding. If we were all on a train expanding like the universe, the middle would be staying still and the front and rear carriages would be moving away from each other, and getting larger. The idea of opening a door into something beyond isn't something we have any data to simulate - we don't know if what's out there can interact with the universe in any meaningful way at all.
The closest to the door would be the first and would be pulled from every direction and as many as were there would be sucked into the doorway jamming the doorway and reducing the suction power....these are the neutron people.
Why would neutrons be the first particles to reach the boundary?
Once these were wedged in as the nucleus there would still be a powerful implosive force seeping past the nuetrons dragging in another tier of people these would be the proton people and then a much reduced imploding power would seep past these through the tiniest ley-lines of implosive force that were passing through the neatly stacked jumble of people that were making up that nucleus...this third layer would be the electron people, all clinging to that imploding force which we will call...because it closely resembles what is happening inside every atom...the 'Higgs bosun'.
Quite apart from the complete lack of any explanation for why, at these energies, we're talking a mixture of subatomic particles (protons, neutrons and electrons) and fundamental particles (quarks, leptons, bosons etc.), I have to point out again that the particle is a Higgs boson, not bosun. Bosun is a staffing position/rank on a ship.
Now we should be able to see by this caricature what is happening inside every newly born star and all the hidden mechanics that contribute towards life...if I am right...and the Holy Bible and modern science suggests I am.
You've not explained why any of this is relevant to stellar fusion, which is perfectly adequately explicable at the level of atomic physics - it's atoms, after all, which are fusing to give it the name.
None of this is in any way explained in the Bible, you are massively overburdening one unreliably translated version to get 'dynamic energy' which you then expect to support a premise that someone knew particle physics during the Roman Era, and has explained it to you in such a way that you are completely incapable of explaining it at all.
O.
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Outrider:
Thanks for that Outrider...We must though be clear, at the outset...that we, on planet Earth, have been visited by a far superior race and what they have told us is truthful and that truth is ascertained by the fact that its one single servant of that truth died a terrible death to show us the veracity of his teaching.
Sorry...I've got to go.
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Thanks for that Outrider...We must though be clear, at the outset...that we, on planet Earth, have been visited by a far superior race and what they have told us is truthful and that truth is ascertained by the fact that its one single servant of that truth died a terrible death to show us the veracity of his teaching.
Why must we be clear on that? You've not given us any reason to even start to think that might be the case.
You are more than welcome to be clear that it's your belief, I can be equally as clear that I see no justification for the claim and I'll continue with my purely mechanistic model until and unless something crops up to justify something else.
O.
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ippy, Floo, ~TW~:
Nothing on assertions ippy but loads and loads upon the workings of chemistry, electricity and magnetism and guess what??...with a little ingenuity we will see why Jesus Christ is so important to us in these 'last days' and, how, we being the by-product of these chemical, electrical, and magnetic forces, we might benefit from his teaching which starts with him stating...'upbuild within our own person a righteous spirit'.
Blimey, chemical, electrical and magnetic forces now, WOW! ;D
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ippy, Floo, ~TW~:
Nothing on assertions ippy but loads and loads upon the workings of chemistry, electricity and magnetism and guess what??...with a little ingenuity we will see why Jesus Christ is so important to us in these 'last days' and, how, we being the by-product of these chemical, electrical, and magnetic forces, we might benefit from his teaching which starts with him stating...'upbuild within our own person a righteous spirit'.
I couldn't help noticing that you have seen my request wanting you to tell how you think assertions work, i e, can one assertion support another as solid credible evidence for the former assertion.
If you do give an answer about how you see this assertion question I'm asking of you it's not necessary to have any references to religion when you answer.
Thanks for this response of yours but you still haven't answered the question I have asked you.
I did wonder if you might be avoiding giving me an answer about this? Of course I don't know if that's your reason but you do seem to be showing some reluctance to answer.
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NM still nothing on assertions then, why's that?
ippy
Why not, you do?
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ippy, Floo, ~TW~:
Nothing on assertions ippy but loads and loads upon the workings of chemistry, electricity and magnetism and guess what??...with a little ingenuity we will see why Jesus Christ is so important to us in these 'last days' and, how, we being the by-product of these chemical, electrical, and magnetic forces, we might benefit from his teaching which starts with him stating...'upbuild within our own person a righteous spirit'.
Bonkers is the word NM :)
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ippy,~TW~, BashfuAnthony, Floo, Outrider:
It's amazing what we can do with a superabundant, dynamic energy spoken of in the Holy Bible and supported by modern science, isn't it??
Outrider is having difficulty with the two separate dimensions that I speak of...whilst science speaks about multi-universes containing many dimensions so it can't be too difficult to understand that there are two primary and separate dimensions from which all energy within the universe is born from the superabundant dark-matter that existed before the big-bang satisfying one of modern sciences biggest and provable mistakes.
The conflict between these two dimensions then give us gravity, the Higgs, all electromagnetic force and many things besides and the only laws required to ensure physical repair, resurrection, and everlasting life is is the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.
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ippy,~TW~, BashfuAnthony, Floo, Outrider:
It's amazing what we can do with a superabundant, dynamic energy spoken of in the Holy Bible and supported by modern science, isn't it??
Outrider is having difficulty with the two separate dimensions that I speak of...whilst science speaks about multi-universes containing many dimensions so it can't be too difficult to understand that there are two primary and separate dimensions from which all energy within the universe is born from the superabundant dark-matter that existed before the big-bang satisfying one of modern sciences biggest and provable mistakes.
The conflict between these two dimensions then give us gravity, the Higgs, all electromagnetic force and many things besides and the only laws required to ensure physical repair, resurrection, and everlasting life is is the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.
Why do you keep referring to my name? I haven't made any contribution to this discussion! ???
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ippy,~TW~, BashfuAnthony, Floo, Outrider:
It's amazing what we can do with a superabundant, dynamic energy spoken of in the Holy Bible and supported by modern science, isn't it??
Outrider is having difficulty with the two separate dimensions that I speak of...whilst science speaks about multi-universes containing many dimensions so it can't be too difficult to understand that there are two primary and separate dimensions from which all energy within the universe is born from the superabundant dark-matter that existed before the big-bang satisfying one of modern sciences biggest and provable mistakes.
The conflict between these two dimensions then give us gravity, the Higgs, all electromagnetic force and many things besides and the only laws required to ensure physical repair, resurrection, and everlasting life is is the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.
All that is amazing NM is your imagination! ::)
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It's amazing what we can do with a superabundant, dynamic energy spoken of in the Holy Bible and supported by modern science, isn't it??
So you've alleged, I've not seen any detail yet thought that would encourage me to accept the claim.
Outrider is having difficulty with the two separate dimensions that I speak of...whilst science speaks about multi-universes containing many dimensions so it can't be too difficult to understand that there are two primary and separate dimensions from which all energy within the universe is born from the superabundant dark-matter that existed before the big-bang satisfying one of modern sciences biggest and provable mistakes.
Are you meaning universes when you say 'dimensions' - dimensions are, to our knowledge, properties of universes. I can appreciate the possibility of another universe containing the conditions which resulted in our universe as a concept, but you've not offered any information on phenomena you've observed or predicted which would validate your idea.
The conflict between these two dimensions then give us gravity, the Higgs, all electromagnetic force and many things besides and the only laws required to ensure physical repair, resurrection, and everlasting life is is the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.
See, now you're attributing phenomena that haven't been observed - resurrection - to causes that you've not validated. Additionally, you're claiming that phenomena which are already reasonably explained by conventional physics as a result of your unvalidated premonitions, again without any justification.
Science does not proceed in the form: 'Wouldn't it be cool if a, therefore a'. If you want to promulgate this as a scientific hypothesis you need to explain which physical phenomena could be measured to confirm your predictions, and you need to be clearer on your use of terminology if you are going to re-use terms which already have a conventional explanation.
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Outrider:
You are hard work Outrider...but I view it a little like this...If someone knows that we are walking in a muddy path which is littered with quicksands and warns you that you are likely to wander into a bottomless pit of quicksand if you don't follow the rules and that person gives a solid account of where those boggy traps are and how to avoid them...even if it was a difficult path to understand fully and too profound, some might realise that that the message is well meaning and full of love and care for everyone involved and they may take the appropriate precautions.
Perhaps not all but those who can relate to a loving and caring message.
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Why do you keep referring to my name? I haven't made any contribution to this discussion! ???
Not making a contribution means you need saving as well and I can help you...plus the fact that you have decided to nip and out of this post to suit your own purposes so must take it on the chin.
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Not making a contribution means you need saving as well and I can help you...plus the fact that you have decided to nip and out of this post to suit your own purposes so must take it on the chin.
If I want saving, NS, it is Jesus I will go to, thank you.
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Not making a contribution means you need saving as well and I can help you...plus the fact that you have decided to nip and out of this post to suit your own purposes so must take it on the chin.
NS have you ever considered it is you who is in need of saving from your way over the top imagination?
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You are hard work Outrider...
Trust me, I know the feeling.
If someone knows that we are walking in a muddy path which is littered with quicksands and warns you that you are likely to wander into a bottomless pit of quicksand if you don't follow the rules and that person gives a solid account of where those boggy traps are and how to avoid them...even if it was a difficult path to understand fully and too profound, some might realise that that the message is well meaning and full of love and care for everyone involved and they may take the appropriate precautions.
However, what people think they know and what they actually know aren't necessarily the same things. For instance, I know that quicksand isn't actually all that dangerous unless you jump into - given the density of it, you float, and can even swim after a fashion.
I'm perfectly happy with message of love, with sentiments that speak of respect for all people and an attitude of conciliation, co-operation and sharing. What I'm not up for is people misrepresenting science, one of the great achievements of our species, to try to sell a particular take on a misogynistic, homophobic, tribalist tradition with no verifiable basis.
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ippy,~TW~, BashfuAnthony, Floo, Outrider:
It's amazing what we can do with a superabundant, dynamic energy spoken of in the Holy Bible and supported by modern science, isn't it??
Outrider is having difficulty with the two separate dimensions that I speak of...whilst science speaks about multi-universes containing many dimensions so it can't be too difficult to understand that there are two primary and separate dimensions from which all energy within the universe is born from the superabundant dark-matter that existed before the big-bang satisfying one of modern sciences biggest and provable mistakes.
The conflict between these two dimensions then give us gravity, the Higgs, all electromagnetic force and many things besides and the only laws required to ensure physical repair, resurrection, and everlasting life is is the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.
Yes NM, It's amazing what we can do with a superabundant, dynamic energy spoken of in the Holy Bible and supported by modern science, isn't it??
It'll take even more superabundant dynamic energy that's spoken of in the holy bible to make you answer me and tell me how an unprovable assertion can be established as a fact by using another unprovable assertion to back up the former?
Come on NM with all of that superabundant dynamic energy that's spoken of in the holy bible supported by modern science and you can't answer a simple question?
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Trust me, I know the feeling.
However, what people think they know and what they actually know aren't necessarily the same things. For instance, I know that quicksand isn't actually all that dangerous unless you jump into - given the density of it, you float, and can even swim after a fashion.
I'm perfectly happy with message of love, with sentiments that speak of respect for all people and an attitude of conciliation, co-operation and sharing. What I'm not up for is people misrepresenting science, one of the great achievements of our species, to try to sell a particular take on a misogynistic, homophobic, tribalist tradition with no verifiable basis.
O.
In the face of WIBBLE you have the patience of a saint.
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Bonkers is the word NM :)
~TW~
I was going to write, you should know ~Tw__ but of course, silly me, You wouldn't.
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ippy, BeRational, Outrider, Floo, BashfulAnthony:
I know that it must be frustrating when you have dismissed the Holy Bible with such severe and outspoken diatribe but the fact remains...
Oh dear...it's dinner time,
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ippy, BeRational, Outrider, Floo, BashfulAnthony:
I know that it must be frustrating when you have dismissed the Holy Bible with such severe and outspoken diatribe but the fact remains...
Oh dear...it's dinner time,
Your posts contain no facts, just pure madness.
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Your posts contain no facts, just pure madness.
Spoken like a true denier of the faith...but I am afraid you are wrong. You are wrong because you say that the Gospels aren't a true and accurate description of the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ when millions, over the generations since, have testified that it has made a wonderful difference to their lives. Now whatever assertion you make for this fact, it has happened.
Also you deny the fact that a higher, more advanced people could exist who know everything there is to know about science...I suggest you put in UFO into your YouTube search engine.
You deny my take on the dynamic energy that is recorded in the Holy Bible, in Jesus Christ's accurate teaching, and in the scrutiny of modern sciences take on the universe.
I rather fancy BeRational that you prefer to deny this truth before it is actually presented to you...and that is a genetic weakness...and we are all suffering from genetic weaknesses of one sort or another including the one closest to Outrider's heart.
Everlasting life means a science that can repair all genetic weakness but it requires the ability to listen.
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Spoken like a true denier of the faith...but I am afraid you are wrong. You are wrong because you say that the Gospels aren't a true and accurate description of the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ when millions, over the generations since, have testified that it has made a wonderful difference to their lives. Now whatever assertion you make for this fact, it has happened.
Also you deny the fact that a higher, more advanced people could exist who know everything there is to know about science...I suggest you put in UFO into your YouTube search engine.
You deny my take on the dynamic energy that is recorded in the Holy Bible, in Jesus Christ's accurate teaching, and in the scrutiny of modern sciences take on the universe.
I rather fancy BeRational that you prefer to deny this truth before it is actually presented to you...and that is a genetic weakness...and we are all suffering from genetic weaknesses of one sort or another including the one closest to Outrider's heart.
Everlasting life means a science that can repair all genetic weakness but it requires the ability to listen.
NM is there a single poster on this forum, Christian or otherwise, who sees it your way. If not maybe you should be asking yourself why?
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Floo:
Well,Floo, perhaps that tallies with God's declaration that his knowledge is a reasoning that passeth all understanding...but that just means you/we will have to try a little harder because you now have a modern science to help you...bearing in mind that the great tribulations, with nation rising against nation and a final Judgment is bearing heavily upon us all.
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Not the only one of necessity, the only reasonable one I've heard. If you've got a reasonable one, put it forward - you'll either need to do what NM here is doing and try to use science, or you'll have to come up with another methodology to reliably validate non-physical claims.
Good luck :)
O.
Outrider All you are down to is arguing philosophical materialism and arguing by saying your argument is right because another argument cannot be proved is frankly fallacious.
What then has philosophical materialism got going for it?
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Outrider, Floo:
Bringing the theme back on track...it should be easy to see that our star, along with all the stars in the Milky Way are hurtling through space as one galaxy at the speed of the expanding universe. Any hole that reaches between this dimension and the static dimension that lies beneath it will in fact create atoms and the easiest atom to produce, en-masse, is the hydrogen atom, so we can see that the swirling, crashing forces within a star are doing exactly that, making holes between the dimensions and the slightest hint of such a hole creates atoms and by the laws of fast-breeding atoms, a star quickly transforms into a massive hydrogen furnace...in a similar fashion to our high-speed train.
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ippy, BeRational, Outrider, Floo, BashfulAnthony:
I know that it must be frustrating when you have dismissed the Holy Bible with such severe and outspoken diatribe but the fact remains...
Oh dear...it's dinner time,
I know that it must be frustrating when know you've shown your hand that you are fully aware of the position you're in if you answer my question about the assertions you keep making.
You have demonstrated you're not as stupid as you make yourself out to be:
Because you know full well if you answer me and try to explain how one unprovable assertion can be used to back up another unprovable assertion, you've realised that you'll have snookered yourself and made yourself become even more of a laughing stock than you already are NM and thats the reason you wont answer me.
I suppose if you do answer this post we'll be getting yet another load of assertions? see if you can manage to answer without them or anything else without them.
ippy
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I know that it must be frustrating when you have dismissed the Holy Bible with such severe and outspoken diatribe but the fact remains...
What diatribe? I've said nothing about the 'truth' of the Bible, only pointed out that your claims that it's a work of science so far haven't been borne out by the evidence you've supplied.
O.
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Spoken like a true denier of the faith...but I am afraid you are wrong. You are wrong because you say that the Gospels aren't a true and accurate description of the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ when millions, over the generations since, have testified that it has made a wonderful difference to their lives. Now whatever assertion you make for this fact, it has happened.
Millions have attested that Muhammed was the last prophet of God, and that he corrected the belief that Jesus was God incarnate - does that make that true? Millions have attested that Joseph Smith transcribed God's golden tablets with the aid of an angel - does that make that true? Or can, in fact, millions of people just be wrong?
Also you deny the fact that a higher, more advanced people could exist who know everything there is to know about science...I suggest you put in UFO into your YouTube search engine.
No, not deny that they could exist, just deny that there's any reason to think they had anything to do with the stories in the Bible or your claims of revelations of scientific wonders to early Arabs.
You deny my take on the dynamic energy that is recorded in the Holy Bible, in Jesus Christ's accurate teaching, and in the scrutiny of modern sciences take on the universe.
Deny that you've depicted it as science, yes. I can't refute the actual claims because, as yet, you've not tried to justify them, you've just made assertions which can be disregarded until you supply some rationale.
I rather fancy BeRational that you prefer to deny this truth before it is actually presented to you...and that is a genetic weakness...and we are all suffering from genetic weaknesses of one sort or another including the one closest to Outrider's heart.
Fragile X syndrome?
Everlasting life means a science that can repair all genetic weakness but it requires the ability to listen.
Everlasting life would appear to mean a fundamental breakdown in our understanding of thermodynamics, but I'm sure you've got an unevidenced assertion coming on that in short order, too.
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Outrider All you are down to is arguing philosophical materialism and arguing by saying your argument is right because another argument cannot be proved is frankly fallacious.
Would that be your attempt to justify making claims without having a methodology to back them up?
What then has philosophical materialism got going for it?
Well, it's apparently so reliable and good that Nicholas here is trying to hijack it to lend credence to his claims. He doesn't have the out and out chutzpah you do to just spout an idea devoid of justification and think that it automatically has merit because it's not philosophical materialism and Professor Dawkins would probably not like it and denounce it in his most militantly atheist slightly aggravated tone.
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Bringing the theme back on track...it should be easy to see that our star, along with all the stars in the Milky Way are hurtling through space as one galaxy at the speed of the expanding universe.
Part of the implications of an expanding universe is the fact that there are no inertial reference points, and so any individual object can be considered to be stationary whilst everything else moves at relative velocities. Certainly they are not all moving 'at the speed of the expanding universe' although expansion is a component of their relative motions.
Any hole that reaches between this dimension and the static dimension that lies beneath it will in fact create atoms and the easiest atom to produce, en-masse, is the hydrogen atom, so we can see that the swirling, crashing forces within a star are doing exactly that, making holes between the dimensions and the slightest hint of such a hole creates atoms and by the laws of fast-breeding atoms, a star quickly transforms into a massive hydrogen furnace...in a similar fashion to our high-speed train.
All you need do now is a) justify your claim of this other 'dimension', b) explain how a 'hole' might be breached between the two c) explain why that would result in new atoms and d) explain why a stream of energetic (from your previous description) hydrogen atoms (what happened to the neutrons, by the way?) would collapse into a star and not spread out in the vaccuum of space.
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Outrider:
All you need do now is a) justify your claim of this other 'dimension', b) explain how a 'hole' might be breached between the two c) explain why that would result in new atoms and d) explain why a stream of energetic (from your previous description) hydrogen atoms (what happened to the neutrons, by the way?) would collapse into a star and not spread out in the vaccuum of space.
Happy to oblige on this point Outrider though I know it will fall on deaf ears cus your not even trying to understand...that's ok...it isn't my resurrection and everlasting life that is at stake by your dogged refusal to believe the strength of teaching that is the accurate word of Jesus Christ.
As I have said a number of times now, the two separate dimensions are inferred by the fact that before the big-bang (as I describe it) there was a static universe filled with a dynamic property...dark matter (dynamic energy)...This is the first dimension.
After the big-bang there was a load of galaxies created (in the way I describe) all travelling at the speed of the expanding universe. (you can't have each galaxy doing it in isolation)...This second state represents the second dimension that is hurtling through the first dimension which is still static. Any disruption between these two dimensions gives us all the properties described by the 'grand unification of all the universal forces'...and many more...some of which currently baffle modern science but they no longer baffle you or me do they??
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ippy, Floo, Outrider:
Do you mind very much if we get on to building a few atoms now because I am working to a tight schedule...I have to convert all the atheists (or as many as possible) into the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ before the planet slips its orbit sending us all hurtling out into space....and we are nowhere near the birth of and the path of living-cells and life.
We have all the energy we need captured inside every solar ball of energy that has been born by the imploding force of the black-hole (eye of the hurricane), each of which is packed tightly by the gravitational influence of each individual star's black-hole that it sits in. All this matter and energy is very dense and is spinning and crashing into each other as the star rises up the column of the galaxies storm forces...which...remember, is also accelerating up to the speed of the expanding universe. By the time the star is centrifugally hurled out into the galaxies area of influence it will already have transformed much of its energy into fully fledged hydrogen atoms using a behaviour pattern quite capable of producing every atom known to science and perhaps a few more...and the repeatability of this process is shown to us many, many, many, trillions of times, over and over again.
This is where the two separate dimensions kick in. The first dimension being the static universe that existed before the big-bang and the second dimension being the high-speed universe that sits on top of the first dimension which came into being after the big-bang. It is the high-speed dimension that we live in, and upon which all our modern sciences are based, but we cannot fail to realise that this dimension clashes with another dimension from time to time, giving us some peculiar behaviour patterns, like, time slips...peculiar gravitation displays...peculiar space vehicle phenomenon...peculiar Higgs bosuns.
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There's something about this post that reminds me of "Flash Gordon"
and someone leaping about in Lycra, with the letters NM on his chest.......... Saving the Athiests of planet earth!
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Perhaps I have too much imagination :-[ ;D
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There's something about this post that reminds me of "Flash Gordon"
and someone leaping about in Lycra, with the letters NM on his chest.......... Saving the Athiests of planet earth!
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Perhaps I have too much imagination :-[ ;D
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'Rose, I love you, but there's only fourteen hours to save the universe!'
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'Rose, I love you, but there's only fourteen hours to save the universe!'
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"Flash"
Flash a-ah
Savior of the Universe
Flash a-ah
He'll save every one of us
(Seemingly there is no reason for these extraordinary intergalactical upsets)
(Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha)
(What's happening Flash?)
(Only Doctor Hans Zarkhov, formerly at NASA, has provided any explanation)
Flash a-ah
He's a miracle
(This morning's unprecedented solar eclipse is no cause for alarm)
Flash a-ah
King of the impossible
He's for every one of us
Stand for every one of us
He save with a mighty hand
Every man, every woman
Every child, with a mighty
Flash
(General Kala, Flash Gordon approaching.)
(What do you mean Flash Gordon approaching? Open fire! All weapons! Dispatch war rocket Ajax to bring back his body)
Flash a-ah
(Gordon's alive!)
Flash a-ah
He'll save every one of us
Just a man
With a man's courage
You know he's
Nothing but a man
And he can never fail
No one but the pure at heart
May find the Golden Grail
...Oh..Oh........Oh..Oh....
(Flash, Flash, I love you, but we only have fourteen hours to save the Earth!)
Flash
Yep definately Lycra with the letters NM on his chest
King of the impossible ...........
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What size is it, Sparky?
You mean you don't know??? :o :D
Oh, that's right science isn't exact it just guesses alot... ::) :o
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Floo:
Well,Floo, perhaps that tallies with God's declaration that his knowledge is a reasoning that passeth all understanding...but that just means you/we will have to try a little harder because you now have a modern science to help you...bearing in mind that the great tribulations, with nation rising against nation and a final Judgment is bearing heavily upon us all.
If the deity exists I bet it hasn't a clue what the heck you are on about either! ;D
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Happy to oblige on this point Outrider though I know it will fall on deaf ears cus your not even trying to understand...that's ok...it isn't my resurrection and everlasting life that is at stake by your dogged refusal to believe the strength of teaching that is the accurate word of Jesus Christ.
I'm happy to try to understand the science you're claiming - unfortunately you aren't demonstrating or supporting that science, you're just claiming it which isn't how science works.
As I have said a number of times now, the two separate dimensions are inferred by the fact that before the big-bang (as I describe it) there was a static universe filled with a dynamic property...dark matter (dynamic energy)...This is the first dimension.
We have no data to know precisely what was before the big bang. It's only deductive reasoning that suggests ANYTHING was before the big bang (with qualifications on the use of 'before' in that sense, as well).
Similarly, we have only hypothesised dark matter/energy, we have no direct data to confirm it, and therefore know relatively little about that, too. Our current model, though, suggests that it came into existence with the rest of the universe, and so would not have been available 'before'.
After the big-bang there was a load of galaxies created (in the way I describe) all travelling at the speed of the expanding universe. (you can't have each galaxy doing it in isolation)...
Certainly at some point after the big bang there were galaxies forming, whether in the way you describe is somewhat questionable given the vague nature of your description. They aren't all travelling at the speed of the expanding universe - the nature of expansion means that the objects aren't moving in an absolute sense, they are simply becoming further apart as the space between them expands.
This second state represents the second dimension that is hurtling through the first dimension which is still static. Any disruption between these two dimensions gives us all the properties described by the 'grand unification of all the universal forces'...and many more...some of which currently baffle modern science but they no longer baffle you or me do they??
How do these 'dimensions' interact? How do they 'disrupt' each other? The Grand Unification theory is hypothetical at the moment, it may be that we never have sufficient understanding to unify all the macroscopically fundamental forces, and even if we did we'd then be left with trying to explain the interactions of the fundamental particles that manifest them, and then...
I'm more than happy to say that huge swathes of reality still baffle me, not least of which is how you still fail to understand science. Science works on precision, on exact detail, precise definitions and explicit mechanisms, not vague assertions and the uncritical acceptance of unvalidated and unevidenced claims.
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Outrider:
Your problem is Outrider that you don't read the Holy Bible with any sort of good intent else you would know that Jesus is talking about a wonderful energy that exists because Almighty God says it does, and as we can easily equate all the mass and all the laws controlling that mass with the word 'energy' it is pretty conclusive that we...science, and Jesus Christ, are all talking about the same energy. We just have to put it together so that it makes scientific sense and we can't do that unless we include accurate Biblical teaching.
When God says...'In the beginning was the word' he is saying that a very special person broke the hidden code of nature and brought it to the attention of his fellow man.
When he says...'and the word was with God'...he is saying this wonderful knowledge made him a cut above the rest
When he says...'and the word was God'...he is saying that the word earned him the full respect of those who received their salvation from his word...
and when he says...'and the word of God is the light of the world'...he is saying that this scientific knowledge, represented by his 'word'...did exactly what his son, who visited this planet 2000 years ago, setting up a line of communication with God's 'word', did exactly what Jesus said it would do...for those who could find faith in his accuracy.
You could to if you dropped this attitude of denial and used your scientific insight to explore 'God's word'...and let's face it, it takes a pretty incredible person/being to resurrect a void planet and restore its life supporting properties...doesn't it??
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Your problem NM is that you have a very overactive imagination, and a lack of any real knowledge of science! ::)
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Your problem is Outrider that you don't read the Holy Bible with any sort of good intent else you would know that Jesus is talking about a wonderful energy that exists because Almighty God says it does, and as we can easily equate all the mass and all the laws controlling that mass with the word 'energy' it is pretty conclusive that we...science, and Jesus Christ, are all talking about the same energy.
I know that you don't read about punctuation...
I have read the Bible with as 'good' an intent as I can. What I find of Jesus' words is that broadly they are a slightly simplistic and at times slightly primitive take on an otherwise highly creditable philosophy for how we could relate to other people to improve our experience of life.
What I don't find in there is any science, any sort of verifiable or sensible cosmology, and any description of fundamental physical forces or particles.
You are taking one selectively translated phrase - dynamic energy - from a questionable translation, and trying to lever it into modern physics without actually really understanding modern physics to justify unevidenced magical elements of the story like resurrection and miracles like a cut-price Depak Chopra.
We just have to put it together so that it makes scientific sense and we can't do that unless we include accurate Biblical teaching.
No, WE don't, because by and large WE aren't interested in trying to shoehorn the Bible into science because it's not a scientific work. You're interested in that, you have to do the work, and so far you haven't.
When God says...'In the beginning was the word' he is saying that a very special person broke the hidden code of nature and brought it to the attention of his fellow man.
That's not the conventional understanding of creation; I suspect the majority of believers are of the opinion that God, in the beginning, is making nature (as poetically described in Genesis), and is not beholden to its laws at all.
When he says...'and the word was with God'...he is saying this wonderful knowledge made him a cut above the rest
This is theology, not science.
When he says...'and the word was God'...he is saying that the word earned him the full respect of those who received their salvation from his word...
And this is mythology and not reality.
and when he says...'and the word of God is the light of the world'...he is saying that this scientific knowledge, represented by his 'word'...did exactly what his son, who visited this planet 2000 years ago, setting up a line of communication with God's 'word', did exactly what Jesus said it would do...for those who could find faith in his accuracy.
And this is delusional poetry. And not even good poetry.
You could to if you dropped this attitude of denial and used your scientific insight to explore 'God's word'...and let's face it, it takes a pretty incredible person/being to resurrect a void planet and restore its life supporting properties...doesn't it??
It would, wouldn't it. All you need do is demonstrate that this happened, and that God did it, and that Jesus existed, and that Jesus was the magician you think he was, and then I'll believe.
I'm not 'denying' this, I don't need to deny this, I can just dismiss it because it's unsubstantiated claims. I can ignore this just like I can ignore claims that thunder comes from Thor, Shiva has multiple arms, the sun is carried across the sky in Apollo's chariot, Cinderella's accoutrements all reverted after the ball except a convenient fur slipper, and Anubis weighs the hearts of the dead against a feather in the underworld
They're 'not even wrong'.
O.
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ippy, BeRational, Outrider, Floo, BashfulAnthony:
I know that it must be frustrating when you have dismissed the Holy Bible with such severe and outspoken diatribe but the fact remains...
Oh dear...it's dinner time,
I have, after much thought, study, and time, decided that the greater part of the OT is both a mis-representation of God; that the Genesis stories are allegory, and now outdated, and the rest, the history, etc, belong mainly to the Judaic religion. I have a strong faith in Jesus and His message; and I will not be questioned as to my faith in the Jesus, and the God of the NT, as taught by our Lord, by a Fundamentalist such as yourself. Thank you.
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Go on BA, have him ;D
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Go on BA, have him ;D
Just putting the record straight!
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Just putting the record straight!
Assert away to your hearts content N M, that's all you do.
You've shown your hand.
Not that you've ever had any credibility but whatever miniscule bit there might have been remaining has gone.
ippy
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Assert away to your hearts content N M, that's all you do.
You've shown you're hand.
Not that you've ever had any credibility but whatever miniscule bit there might have been remaining has gone.
ippy
Me, or NM??
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Do we have to choose?
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Me, or NM??
Well B A you are another one that rather favors cloud cuckoo land, there are some worse than you.
ippy
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Do we have to choose?
I've just said why you should. Don't be provocative! (That's like telling Geldof to mind his language: it won't happen! :( )
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Well B A you are another one that rather favors cloud cuckoo land, there are some worse than you.
ippy
Talk about faint praise! ::)
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BasfulAnthony, ippy, Shaker, Outrider, Floo:
To make my points I can only go over what has already been said, and it is sad but you are all unable to comprehend a few simple scientific facts...but I want to move on because I am working on the principle that if I point some of you in the right direction that one day it might gel and it might not be too late, but I am afraid that for many, it will be too late, because we are told, 'there will be much weeping and gnashing of teeth'.
To compound the points I have already made about the two separate universal dimensions we can now make sense of some of the mysteries which have had scientists mumbling the same sounds that you are making. It didn't happen...It is unscientific...it is mass hysteria...There is no proof...for example...Bruce Gernon on YouTube tells us of a time slip experience in the Bermuda Triangle where his small aeroplane slipped through time and space in a strange and unexplained way...or give account for every poltergeist incident showing that it is gravitational upheaval rather than troubled spirits...and also show that UFOs use a similar propulsion system that is identified by both of the aforementioned gravitational disturbances, and by the proof of it all we can conclude that Almighty God is the Creator of the universe and that these two, separate dimensions are very real and, via the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ, there is light at the end of the tunnel for those who simply follow him accurately.
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To make my points I can only go over what has already been said, and it is sad but you are all unable to comprehend a few simple scientific facts...but I want to move on because I am working on the principle that if I point some of you in the right direction that one day it might gel and it might not be too late, but I am afraid that for many, it will be too late, because we are told, 'there will be much weeping and gnashing of teeth'.
None of that is 'making a point', it's just reiterating your previous assertions, without any of the science that you are claiming.
To compound the points I have already made about the two separate universal dimensions we can now make sense of some of the mysteries which have had scientists mumbling the same sounds that you are making. It didn't happen...It is unscientific...it is mass hysteria...There is no proof...for example...Bruce Gernon on YouTube tells us of a time slip experience in the Bermuda Triangle where his small aeroplane slipped through time and space in a strange and unexplained way...or give account for every poltergeist incident showing that it is gravitational upheaval rather than troubled spirits...and also show that UFO's use a similar propulsion system that is identified by both of the aforementioned gravitational disturbances, and by the proof of it all we can conclude that Almighty God is the Creator of the universe and that these two, separate dimensions are very real and, via the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ, there is light at the end of the tunnel for those who simply follow him accurately.
Many, many people will tell you many, many things on YouTube. Some of them are logical deductions from falsified data, some or deranged conclusions from accurate data, some are parody and some are earnest.
Citing random YouTube clips is no more nor less convincing than citing your Bible or just spouting assertions for yourself.
O.
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None of that is 'making a point', it's just reiterating your previous assertions, without any of the science that you are claiming.
Many, many people will tell you many, many things on YouTube. Some of them are logical deductions from falsified data, some or deranged conclusions from accurate data, some are parody and some are earnest.
Citing random YouTube clips is no more nor less convincing than citing your Bible or just spouting assertions for yourself.
O.
I'm sorry Outrider but you are totally lost. That isn't my fault...The Holy Bible is there for you too but to become a participant in God's Kingdom you have to have the ability to be obedient to a few righteous laws and it is obvious that you just can't hack it.
You see, once we have become accustomed to the electric/spiritual nature of the universe we can start to see how, by soothing and calming our inner, genetic health, we can start a repair programme which has some wonderful hidden surprises in store...Millions will tell you, just by the growth of Christianity that this is certainly the case...but I'm sure you can see that your attitude would be very disruptive amongst a more caring community.
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I'm sorry Outrider but you are totally lost. That isn't my fault...The Holy Bible is there for you too but to become a participant in God's Kingdom you have to have the ability to be obedient to a few righteous laws and it is obvious that you just can't hack it.
The Qu'ran, the Book of Mormon, the Baghavad Gita, the Odyssey... they're all there for me, and they're all making claims that aren't supported by the evidence we see around us. I know that you believe, but I'm not able to just forgo my critical faculties and select one to claim as true when I can't differentiate between them or see any reason to support any of them.
You see, once we have become accustomed to the electric/spiritual nature of the universe we can start to see how, by soothing and calming our inner, genetic health, we can start a repair programme which has some wonderful hidden surprises in store...Millions will tell you, just by the growth of Christianity that this is certainly the case...but I'm sure you can see that your attitude would be very disruptive amongst a more caring community.
So you keep saying, but as yet you've not supplied any real evidence for this. Are believers more healthy than non-believers? Are there fewer incidences of any key indicators of poor-health amongst them? That sort of data, and statistical analysis of it, would be the sort of evidence for your claim that I'd accept, that's a testable output of your assertions.
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I'm sorry Outrider but you are totally lost. That isn't my fault...The Holy Bible is there for you too but to become a participant in God's Kingdom you have to have the ability to be obedient to a few righteous laws and it is obvious that you just can't hack it.
You see, once we have become accustomed to the electric/spiritual nature of the universe we can start to see how, by soothing and calming our inner, genetic health, we can start a repair programme which has some wonderful hidden surprises in store...Millions will tell you, just by the growth of Christianity that this is certainly the case...but I'm sure you can see that your attitude would be very disruptive amongst a more caring community.
(1) The Holy Bible is there for you too but to become a participant in God's Kingdom. An assertion
(2) to become a participant in God's Kingdom you have to have the ability to be obedient to a few righteous laws and it is obvious that you just can't hack it. Another assertion.
(3) You see, once we have become accustomed to the electric/spiritual nature of the universe we can start to see how, by soothing and calming our inner, genetic health, we can start a repair programme which has some wonderful hidden surprises in store... . Another assertion.
(4).Millions will tell you, just by the growth of Christianity that this is certainly the case...but I'm sure you can see that your attitude would be very disruptive amongst a more caring community. Another assertion.
Assertions are all you hand out N M, all without anything viable to back them up, as per usual.
ippy
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BasfulAnthony, ippy, Shaker, Outrider, Floo:
To make my points I can only go over what has already been said, and it is sad but you are all unable to comprehend a few simple scientific facts...but I want to move on because I am working on the principle that if I point some of you in the right direction that one day it might gel and it might not be too late, but I am afraid that for many, it will be too late, because we are told, 'there will be much weeping and gnashing of teeth'.
To compound the points I have already made about the two separate universal dimensions we can now make sense of some of the mysteries which have had scientists mumbling the same sounds that you are making. It didn't happen...It is unscientific...it is mass hysteria...There is no proof...for example...Bruce Gernon on YouTube tells us of a time slip experience in the Bermuda Triangle where his small aeroplane slipped through time and space in a strange and unexplained way...or give account for every poltergeist incident showing that it is gravitational upheaval rather than troubled spirits...and also show that UFOs use a similar propulsion system that is identified by both of the aforementioned gravitational disturbances, and by the proof of it all we can conclude that Almighty God is the Creator of the universe and that these two, separate dimensions are very real and, via the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ, there is light at the end of the tunnel for those who simply follow him accurately.
What is really sad is that you don't seem to have a clue about science, and keep making daft assertions without any proof to support them!
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What is really sad is that you don't seem to have a clue about science, and keep making daft assertions without any proof to support them!
No what is really sad Floo is that your on the christian board and expect anything less!! ;)
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No what is really sad Floo is that your on the christian board and expect anything less!! ;)
You're right KO, but these old fossils are fascinating, I suppose it's a bit like when our ancestors visited places like Bedlam for a look around, not PC by todays standards but still fascinating.
I thought of myself as an old fossil at 73, but I dunno, when you read some of the stuff, the religious lot write here?
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You're right KO, but these old fossils are fascinating, I suppose it's a bit like when our ancestors visited places like Bedlam for a look around, not PC by todays standards but still fascinating.
I thought of myself as an old fossil at 73, but I dunno, when you read some of the stuff, the religious lot write here?
ippy
73?
I thought you were a young whipper snapper ;)
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73?
I thought you were a young whipper snapper ;)
No I was just another old git, but now I'm a just a retired old git.
My sense of humour fixated at about the age of twelve, I'll put up my hands to that Rose, it's not progressed beyond that point.
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You're right KO, but these old fossils are fascinating, I suppose it's a bit like when our ancestors visited places like Bedlam for a look around, not PC by todays standards but still fascinating.
I thought of myself as an old fossil at 73, but I dunno, when you read some of the stuff, the religious lot write here?
ippy
Very honest of you to admit it.
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BasfulAnthony, ippy, Shaker, Outrider, Floo:
To make my points I can only go over what has already been said, and it is sad but you are all unable to comprehend a few simple scientific facts...but I want to move on because I am working on the principle that if I point some of you in the right direction that one day it might gel and it might not be too late, but I am afraid that for many, it will be too late, because we are told, 'there will be much weeping and gnashing of teeth'.
To compound the points I have already made about the two separate universal dimensions we can now make sense of some of the mysteries which have had scientists mumbling the same sounds that you are making. It didn't happen...It is unscientific...it is mass hysteria...There is no proof...for example...Bruce Gernon on YouTube tells us of a time slip experience in the Bermuda Triangle where his small aeroplane slipped through time and space in a strange and unexplained way...or give account for every poltergeist incident showing that it is gravitational upheaval rather than troubled spirits...and also show that UFOs use a similar propulsion system that is identified by both of the aforementioned gravitational disturbances, and by the proof of it all we can conclude that Almighty God is the Creator of the universe and that these two, separate dimensions are very real and, via the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ, there is light at the end of the tunnel for those who simply follow him accurately.
I believe implicitly in the life and teaching of Jesus Christ. That is all I need to know. Most of what you are on about is not a true reflection of His basic, straightforward words. You wander off into the realms of fantasy, as Captain Mainwaring would say.
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I believe implicitly in the life and teaching of Jesus Christ. That is all I need to know. Most of what you are on about is not a true reflection of His basic, straightforward words. You wander off into the realms of fantasy, as Captain Mainwaring would say.
I think good old Duggie had someone in mind when when he wrote this, now who would that be?
"I find the whole business of religion profoundly interesting. But it does mystify me that otherwise intelligent people take it seriously.” Yes?
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Dear ippy,
"I find the whole business of religion profoundly interesting. But it does mystify me that otherwise intelligent people take it seriously.”
Profoundly interesting, well yes, something which has affected man since the dawn of time, serious stuff indeed.
Gonnagle.
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Dear ippy,
Profoundly interesting, well yes, something which has affected man since the dawn of time, serious stuff indeed.
Gonnagle.
Another one from Duggie for you Gonners:
“It {Darwin's theory of evolution] was a concept of such stunning simplicity, but it gave rise, naturally, to all of the infinite and baffling complexity of life. The awe it inspired in me made the awe that people talk about in respect of religious experience seem, frankly, silly beside it. I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day.”
― Douglas Adams, The Salmon of Doubt
Most of his quotes denote someone that puts reality before cuddly, warm and cosy fantasy; yes I would recommend getting up to date with his writings.
By the way our Duggie was one of R D's closest friends, I'll guess that you knew that.
ippy
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Dear ippy,
Theory of evolution, stunning simplicity :o :o
I too am in awe of the theory, but simple, yer hero is a better man than me :o
By the way our Duggie was one of R D's closest friends, I'll guess that you knew that.
Ah! the Dickie Dawkin meme, did that meme start with his Roots of all Evil programme or his God Delusion book.
Gonnagle.
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Dear ippy,
Theory of evolution, stunning simplicity :o :o
I too am in awe of the theory, but simple, yer hero is a better man than me :o
Ah! the Dickie Dawkin meme, did that meme start with his Roots of all Evil programme or his God Delusion book.
Gonnagle.
Not sure Gonners but being realistic beats fantasy any time for me, more or less the point they were both getting at, no one needs to be at genius level to work that one out.
ippy
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Dear ippy,
Fantasy!! yes that is one of my downfalls, I keep forgetting that I am talking to atheists, tell me, are you old enough to remember that annoying scratching noise when the needle came to the end of the record. ::) ::)
Gonnagle.
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Dear ippy,
Fantasy!! yes that is one of my downfalls, I keep forgetting that I am talking to atheists, tell me, are you old enough to remember that annoying scratching noise when the needle came to the end of the record. ::) ::)
Gonnagle.
Yes.
ippy
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Dear ippy,
Fantasy!! yes that is one of my downfalls, I keep forgetting that I am talking to atheists, tell me, are you old enough to remember that annoying scratching noise when the needle came to the end of the record. ::) ::)
Gonnagle.
Now that is a very good way of describing the effect a certain poster has on me! ;D
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Thanks to Gordon for pointing me in this direction. Nick, is this what you are talking about?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-34926881
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Thanks to Gordon for pointing me in this direction. Nick, is this what you are talking about?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-34926881
No Nearly Sane...what I am talking about is much simpler than that. They, you notice, still need atoms and molecules...My version, with the help of Biblical teaching, shows how atoms can be created from a superabundant dark matter that has gathered into huge galaxial clouds which become compressed and all fired up into a fierce and fiery force waiting for the trigger that created the second, expanding universe, dimension, that strongly conflicted with the original static dimension and thereby created stars and atoms in exactly the way we scientifically see them today.
My only deviation from the science is to point out that Almighty God got there first.
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No Nearly Sane...what I am talking about is much simpler than that. They, you notice, still need atoms and molecules...My version, with the help of Biblical teaching, shows how atoms can be created from a superabundant dark matter that has gathered into huge galaxial clouds which become compressed and all fired up into a fierce and fiery force waiting for the trigger that created the second, expanding universe, dimension, that strongly conflicted with the original static dimension and thereby created stars and atoms in exactly the way we scientifically see them today.
My only deviation from the science is to point out that Almighty God got there first.
The Bible has nothing to do with real science, which you have demonstrated time and time again you don't appear to understand at all!
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No Nearly Sane...what I am talking about is much simpler than that. They, you notice, still need atoms and molecules...My version, with the help of Biblical teaching, shows how atoms can be created from a superabundant dark matter that has gathered into huge galaxial clouds which become compressed and all fired up into a fierce and fiery force waiting for the trigger that created the second, expanding universe, dimension, that strongly conflicted with the original static dimension and thereby created stars and atoms in exactly the way we scientifically see them today.
My only deviation from the science is to point out that Almighty God got there first.
"My only deviation from the science is to point out that Almighty God got there first".
Well there you go again NM, how do you know how this almighty god of yours got there first, where's your evidence?
I could say, I've just brought a Mammoth back to life; what would the first question I could expect to have asked of me N M?
Same goes for you, up until now no one has proved the existence this god like thing you keep referring to, and you still keep asserting god said this and god said that all without any supporting evidence.
As I keep having to remind you, and it doesn't seem to be getting through to you, assertions can't be used to back up other assertions, if you continue to do this you're making yourself look foolish, but there, if you have some need to make yourself look a fool, well that's up to you.
You can't seem to get yourself out of this N M, you're not getting anywhere.
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No Nearly Sane...what I am talking about is much simpler than that. They, you notice, still need atoms and molecules...My version, with the help of Biblical teaching, shows how atoms can be created from a superabundant dark matter that has gathered into huge galaxial clouds which become compressed and all fired up into a fierce and fiery force waiting for the trigger that created the second, expanding universe, dimension, that strongly conflicted with the original static dimension and thereby created stars and atoms in exactly the way we scientifically see them today.
No it doesn't show that, it merely alleges it. Science already explains how this happens - and from before the point of atoms and molecules, by the way - and the explanation doesn't have anything lacking that would require the addition of a God to the concept.
My only deviation from the science is to point out that Almighty God got there first.
Your only deviation from science is that your 'hypothesis' is not testable, you haven't suggested a mechanism by which this could occur, and you've not explained what currently unexplained phenomenon/phenomena this accounts for or why it's a better explanation than any of the current ones.
Or, to paraphrase, your only deviate from the science is the science bit.
O.
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Another one from Duggie for you Gonners:
“It {Darwin's theory of evolution] was a concept of such stunning simplicity, but it gave rise, naturally, to all of the infinite and baffling complexity of life. The awe it inspired in me made the awe that people talk about in respect of religious experience seem, frankly, silly beside it. I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day.”
― Douglas Adams, The Salmon of Doubt
Most of his quotes denote someone that puts reality before cuddly, warm and cosy fantasy; yes I would recommend getting up to date with his writings.
By the way our Duggie was one of R D's closest friends, I'll guess that you knew that.
ippy
It all sounds like forced, pious bollocks to me but whatever floats your boat. Rather reminds me of the question ''what's the difference between an egg and a good w*nk?........That's right.....you can beat an egg. Yes it's wonderful but unless Adams experienced religious ecstasy.......how does he know?
A case of ''mine is bigger than yours''?
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It all sounds like forced, pious bollocks to me but whatever floats your boat. Rather reminds me of the question ''what's the difference between an egg and a good w*nk?........That's right.....you can beat an egg. Yes it's wonderful but unless Adams experienced religious ecstasy.......how does he know?
A case of ''mine is bigger than yours''?
Steady On stage; you know what I think of such language (watching, Shaky?), even though what you say is true enough.
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Which one are you tut-tutting over, the one with the asterisk in it or the one without?
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Which one are you tut-tutting over, the one with the asterisk in it or the one without?
Both, of course, but I wouldn't have expected you to think one or other is acceptable to use.
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I prefer my English clear and free of euphemism.
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I prefer my English clean and free of euphemism.
Must make a note of that, for future reference!! :D
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Typo amended.
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Typo amended.
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I meant clear, not clean. I don't fuss over archaic ideas of prudery as you do - just as long as the meaning is transparent and straightforward.
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I meant clear, not clean. I don't fuss over archaic ideas of prudery as you do - just as long as the meaning is transparent and straightforward.
Too late: a freudian slip. You can't change it now! :)
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Too late: a freudian slip. You can't change it now! :)
Not a Freudian slip; it's called autocorrect. You'll have to find a young person to explain it to you.
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Not a Freudian slip; it's called autocorrect. You'll have to find a young person to explain it to you.
Too late: it's one for the archives! :D
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Easily amused by minor spelling mistakes, aren't you?
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It all sounds like forced, pious bollocks to me but whatever floats your boat. Rather reminds me of the question ''what's the difference between an egg and a good w*nk?........That's right.....you can beat an egg. Yes it's wonderful but unless Adams experienced religious ecstasy.......how does he know?
A case of ''mine is bigger than yours''?
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Aaahhyeeeeeeeeeeee,make it stop!!!!!!.....make it stop!!!!!!!
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Easily amused by minor spelling mistakes, aren't you?
Yeh! An endless source of fun round here! But the freudian slips beat it! :)
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Which wasn't, but don't let reality impinge.
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Which wasn't, but don't let reality impinge.
Cringe, crawl!! I will remind you of that rare moment of honesty, whatever snivelling things you say to try and eradicate it!
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Easily amused by minor spelling mistakes, aren't you?
A certain other poster has been known to have made spelling errors from time to time when making a typo as we all do! ::)
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A certain other poster has been known to have made spelling errors from time to time when making a typo as we all do! ::)
It surprises me if I compose another one of my artistic, brilliant posts again and my spell checker doesn't underline anything.
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Aaahhyeeeeeeeeeeee,make it stop!!!!!!.....make it stop!!!!!!!
And I was poking my tongue out when I posted that one out to you you as well.
I did warn you.
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A certain other poster has been known to have made spelling errors from time to time when making a typo as we all do! ::)
Mine replaces whole words >:(
Yesterday I sent an email to my hubby and it replaced a critical word.
I meant to say if he was walking the dog tonight I'd join him.
Instead I got a message back saying he would ask the dog, but wanted to know what to ask him......... :o
Walking.... How did it change it to asking? Connection? ???
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Mine replaces whole words >:(
Yesterday I sent an email to my hubby and it replaced a critical word.
I meant to say if he was walking the dog tonight I'd join him.
Instead I got a message back saying he would ask the dog, but wanted to know what to ask him......... :o
Walking.... How did it change it to asking? Connection? ???
If you type "alking" - one of the spelling correction options is "asking", maybe that is what happened?