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Religion and Ethics Discussion => Christian Topic => Topic started by: Jack Knave on December 23, 2015, 03:27:01 PM
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I saw in my library the other day an eastern/Chinese looking guy of around 50-ish walk up to a pretty young woman, take a cross hanging from his neck by a chain and thrust it into her face. He got his face inches from hers, glared into her eyes and said, "God gave you your beauty!" Then smartly walked off......?
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I saw in my library the other day an eastern/Chinese looking guy of around 50-ish walk up to a pretty young woman, take a cross hanging from his neck by a chain and thrust it into her face. He got his face inches from hers, glared into her eyes and said, "God gave you your beauty!" Then smartly walked off......?
Sounds like harassment.
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I saw in my library the other day an eastern/Chinese looking guy of around 50-ish walk up to a pretty young woman, take a cross hanging from his neck by a chain and thrust it into her face. He got his face inches from hers, glared into her eyes and said, "God gave you your beauty!" Then smartly walked off......?
What a nasty creep! >:(
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I saw in my library the other day an eastern/Chinese looking guy of around 50-ish walk up to a pretty young woman, take a cross hanging from his neck by a chain and thrust it into her face. He got his face inches from hers, glared into her eyes and said, "God gave you your beauty!" Then smartly walked off......?
And why are you asking the Christians here? Save for the involvement of a cross on a chain - a very common form of jewellery, even today - do you have any evidence that he was a Christian?
If he was a Christian, then I'd suggest that he was being highly obnoxious. Harrassment wouldn't even touch it.
By the way - legally - does one have to do something more than once for it to be deemed harrassment?
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And why are you asking the Christians here? Save for the involvement of a cross on a chain - a very common form of jewellery, even today - do you have any evidence that he was a Christian?
In the context of shoving the cross in her face and saying "God gave you your beauty", I think it is pretty obvious that he was a Christian
If he was a Christian, then I'd suggest that he was being highly obnoxious. Harrassment wouldn't even touch it.
If he wasn't a Christian he was being highly obnoxious.
By the way - legally - does one have to do something more than once for it to be deemed harassment?
http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/stalking_and_harassment/#a02a
The above implies it does.
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We're all a bit loony to a degree, it sounds to me he was a bit further over to the loony side of average than most,
he made her jump no doubt but without doing much more harm than that.
Any chance of a picture? For research of course, the girl not him.
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And why are you asking the Christians here? Save for the involvement of a cross on a chain - a very common form of jewellery, even today - do you have any evidence that he was a Christian?
If he was a Christian, then I'd suggest that he was being highly obnoxious. Harrassment wouldn't even touch it.
By the way - legally - does one have to do something more than once for it to be deemed harrassment?
Of course he was a Christian. Put the evidence together : The Christian cross plus what he said.
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We're all a bit loony to a degree, it sounds to me he was a bit further over to the loony side of average than most,.....
Speak for yourself!
Any chance of a picture? For research of course, the girl not him.
Haven't you got access to the internet? There's loads of pictures there of pretty girls.
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Of course he was a Christian.
........and a typical Christian at that eh, Jack?
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........and a typical Christian at that eh, Jack?
What's a typical Christian? Who is qualified to say what a Christian is and what isn't? You Vlad?
No one knows what constitutes a real Christian so if someone says they are a Christian then they are one. Just as ISIS are Muslims because they say they are even though all the twats are trying to negate this position.
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Speak for yourself!
Haven't you got access to the internet? There's loads of pictures there of pretty girls.
You seem to know about these things?
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You seem to know about these things?
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That comment shows the sign of desperation as it doesn't make sense with regard to my first comment.
But as for my second comment, I have heard through the twit vine that this is so.
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I saw in my library the other day an eastern/Chinese looking guy of around 50-ish walk up to a pretty young woman, take a cross hanging from his neck by a chain and thrust it into her face. He got his face inches from hers, glared into her eyes and said, "God gave you your beauty!" Then smartly walked off......?
Obviously wanted to see if she was a vampire ;D
It's one of those moments when you could deliver a one liner back, in return ;)
What could she have said to him in return I wonder?
I'd have gone for the repelled vampire act ;)
You never have a set of "vampire teeth" when you need them ;)
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Obviously wanted to see if she was a vampire ;D
It's one of those moments when you could deliver a one liner back, in return ;)
What could she have said to him in return I wonder?
I'd have gone for the repelled vampire act ;)
You never have a set of "vampire teeth" when you need them ;)
;)
How about garlic or having a look to see if there was a reflection in a handy shop window? In the interests of science of course.
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That comment shows the sign of desperation as it doesn't make sense with regard to my first comment.
But as for my second comment, I have heard through the twit vine that this is so.
I suppose it would seem like that to the more serious minded.
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Several years ago and Asian guy attacked a fellow bus passenger, all the passengers and the driver fled the bus and congregated at the side of the highway and watched. When the RCMP made it there that Asian guy was parading the head of his innocent victim up and down and showing it through the windows. What do you think of that? Well the guy is now out of mental hospital, and I'm sure one day your nutter will be in that type of hospital. That's what I think about you Asian man.
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Obviously wanted to see if she was a vampire ;D
It's one of those moments when you could deliver a one liner back, in return ;)
What could she have said to him in return I wonder?
I'd have gone for the repelled vampire act ;)
You never have a set of "vampire teeth" when you need them ;)
;)
It was day time so he couldn't have been a vampire.
She could have said, "No it's not it is because of my genes, which stemmed from the big bang, so there, vampire features!!!"
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Several years ago and Asian guy attacked a fellow bus passenger, all the passengers and the driver fled the bus and congregated at the side of the highway and watched. When the RCMP made it there that Asian guy was parading the head of his innocent victim up and down and showing it through the windows. What do you think of that? Well the guy is now out of mental hospital, and I'm sure one day your nutter will be in that type of hospital. That's what I think about you Asian man.
The guy is probably medded up but if he ever forgets to take them he'll be back.
In trying to find out who you are I noticed your local time on your profile is that of the UK yet you're in Canada.....? Well so you claim...
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Of course he was a Christian. Put the evidence together : The Christian cross plus what he said.
JK, as I said in my previous post, crosses are worn by just about anybody today; it is a very common piece of jewellery - not just worn by Christians. As for what he said, just about every theist could ask that question. It doesn't have to have been a Christian.
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If he wasn't a Christian he was being highly obnoxious.
I'd say that this is probably more honest a view.
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No one knows what constitutes a real Christian so if someone says they are a Christian then they are one.
Sorry, just because someone says they follow a particular philosophy of life doesn't mean that they are really a follower. One has to know them fairly well, and to be able to compare their behaviour with that associated with that philosophy (whih is why the 'champagne socialists' of the 70s and 80s were such a laughing stock). I get the impression that you had no idea who this guy was, what his normal behaviour pattern is/was, and that you have made a guess at his philosophical outlook.
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Obviously wanted to see if she was a vampire ;D
It's one of those moments when you could deliver a one liner back, in return ;)
What could she have said to him in return I wonder?
I'd have gone for the repelled vampire act ;)
You never have a set of "vampire teeth" when you need them ;)
;)
I wonder whether she responded with 'Are you saved by the blood of the Lamb?' ;)
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JK, as I said in my previous post, crosses are worn by just about anybody today; it is a very common piece of jewellery - not just worn by Christians. As for what he said, just about every theist could ask that question. It doesn't have to have been a Christian.
He thrust the Cross into her face, Hope. It put his words into context, that was the whole point of the thrusting of it.
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He thrust the Cross into her face, Hope. It put his words into context, that was the whole point of the thrusting of it.
Is it common for Christians to thrust a cross into someone's face? Can't say that I've ever seen anyone doing it, regardless of their philosophical position.
Again, he could have been a Jehovah's Witness or a Mormen, even, if you really want to stick to the cross motif.
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Sorry, just because someone says they follow a particular philosophy of life doesn't mean that they are really a follower. One has to know them fairly well, and to be able to compare their behaviour with that associated with that philosophy (whih is why the 'champagne socialists' of the 70s and 80s were such a laughing stock). I get the impression that you had no idea who this guy was, what his normal behaviour pattern is/was, and that you have made a guess at his philosophical outlook.
But if there is no universal acknowledged definition of something then anything goes with it. And as there is no universal definition of what it means to be a Christian then you and no one else can declare that this or that person are or aren't a Christian. He displayed a cross and uttered some words about God which he did will all earnestness and as such I have no reason to think nothing else but that he is a Christian.
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He displayed a cross and uttered some words about God which he did will all earnestness and as such I have no reason to think nothing else but that he is a Christian.
Neither of which actions necessarily require him to be a Christian. Unlike you, I would not have jumped to a conclusion as to his faith stance, if there was one there to be jumped to. Rather, I'd have accosted him and told him not be obnoxious - if the girl had shown fear of any similar emotion. Otherwise, i'd have just marked hm down as a nutcase.
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I wonder whether she responded with 'Are you saved by the blood of the Lamb?' ;)
Vampires don't like lambs blood but Werewolves might.
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Is it common for Christians to thrust a cross into someone's face? Can't say that I've ever seen anyone doing it, regardless of their philosophical position.
Again, he could have been a Jehovah's Witness or a Mormen, even, if you really want to stick to the cross motif.
So JW's and Mormons aren't Christians? So they don't believe in JC then?
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Neither of which actions necessarily require him to be a Christian. Unlike you, I would not have jumped to a conclusion as to his faith stance, if there was one there to be jumped to. Rather, I'd have accosted him and told him not be obnoxious - if the girl had shown fear of any similar emotion. Otherwise, i'd have just marked hm down as a nutcase.
His actions showed him to be a Christian. Why else would he have done what he did if they didn't reflect some inner reality for him. He associated with the cross and that is enough for him to be classified as a Christian.
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His actions showed him to be a Christian. Why else would he have done what he did if they didn't reflect some inner reality for him. He associated with the cross and that is enough for him to be classified as a Christian.
1) Are you suggesting that referring to beauty and God in the same sentence necessitates the speaker to be a Christian?
2) JWs and Mormons associate with the cross, and aren't Christians.
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We don't know whether or not this man is a Christian but he is obviously unbalanced. I've never come across anyone doing such a thing. However it seems that no harm has been done.
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1) Are you suggesting that referring to beauty and God in the same sentence necessitates the speaker to be a Christian?
2) JWs and Mormons associate with the cross, and aren't Christians.
1) Hope, concentrate please,...he held a cross in her face, plus the words of God nails it.
2) Why aren't they Christians? Don't they believe in Jesus and the cross and all that? Or are you saying they are Christians in the way you are?...and of course you have the definitive position on it. ::)
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1) Are you suggesting that referring to beauty and God in the same sentence necessitates the speaker to be a Christian?
2) JWs and Mormons associate with the cross, and aren't Christians.
JW don't associate with the cross.
My relatives won't go into a church that uses it, as jehovahs witnesses see the cross as idolatrous.
Seriously, JW don't associate with the cross at all.
They wouldn't wear one as a necklace.
They believe he was nailed to a simple stake
http://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/cross-belief/
Just looking at the Mormans, not sure they relate to the cross either
http://www.mrm.org/no-crosses
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Sorry, just because someone says they follow a particular philosophy of life doesn't mean that they are really a follower. One has to know them fairly well, and to be able to compare their behaviour with that associated with that philosophy (whih is why the 'champagne socialists' of the 70s and 80s were such a laughing stock). I get the impression that you had no idea who this guy was, what his normal behaviour pattern is/was, and that you have made a guess at his philosophical outlook.
We've been skirting around the No True Scotsman fallacy for a while now. Nice to see it finally deployed.
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Is it common for Christians to thrust a cross into someone's face?
More common than a non Christian.
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I saw in my library the other day an eastern/Chinese looking guy of around 50-ish walk up to a pretty young woman, take a cross hanging from his neck by a chain and thrust it into her face. He got his face inches from hers, glared into her eyes and said, "God gave you your beauty!" Then smartly walked off......?
Half a story... were they married? Well! mean Jack sh*t without us knowing the whole story. What is more interesting is the responses on the thread to it... Would it have had the same reaction had it been the star of david or a bunch of roses.
I see nothing in what you said that actually showed a right or wrong. No one just walks up to a stranger and does that.
So rest of story or it means absolutely nothing. Except for them who automatically read something wrong into it without any facts....
As a matter of interest... why post it? Why should Christians make anything from it?"
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Half a story... were they married? Well! mean Jack sh*t without us knowing the whole story. What is more interesting is the responses on the thread to it... Would it have had the same reaction had it been the star of david or a bunch of roses.
I see nothing in what you said that actually showed a right or wrong. No one just walks up to a stranger and does that.
So rest of story or it means absolutely nothing. Except for them who automatically read something wrong into it without any facts....
As a matter of interest... why post it? Why should Christians make anything from it?"
I've just got up for a second time Sass I'm still feeling feint, I agree with every word you're saying in this post.
My wife has given me a cup of hot Horlilcs I've put a scarf around my neck and I'm going to tuck myself up in bed for a good lay down for a couple of hours.
I had to write this down or I would probably think it was a dream.
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I've just got up for a second time Sass I'm still feeling feint, I agree with every word you're saying in this post.
My wife has given me a cup of hot Horlilcs I've put a scarf around my neck and I'm going to tuck myself up in bed for a good lay down for a couple of hours.
I had to write this down or I would probably think it was a dream.
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;D ;D ;D
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Half a story... were they married? Well! mean Jack sh*t without us knowing the whole story. What is more interesting is the responses on the thread to it... Would it have had the same reaction had it been the star of david or a bunch of roses.
I see nothing in what you said that actually showed a right or wrong. No one just walks up to a stranger and does that.
So rest of story or it means absolutely nothing. Except for them who automatically read something wrong into it without any facts....
As a matter of interest... why post it? Why should Christians make anything from it?"
Your poor attempts at logic and thinking outside of he box just make you look sad. Her (young beautiful girl) response to a bloke (much older) showed the weirdness of the whole affair and he then promptly paced off in that marching satisfied manner that odd-ball often do. The response of all the people who saw it also conveyed the freakiness of it.
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Your poor attempts at logic and thinking outside of he box just make you look sad. Her (young beautiful girl) response to a bloke (much older) showed the weirdness of the whole affair and he then promptly paced off in that marching satisfied manner that odd-ball often do. The response of all the people who saw it also conveyed the freakiness of it.
Knowing when to stop digging is a talent Jack, I have to admit I'm just as guilty of not knowing when to stop digging as anyone else at times, we all do it.
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Your poor attempts at logic and thinking outside of he box just make you look sad. Her (young beautiful girl) response to a bloke (much older) showed the weirdness of the whole affair and he then promptly paced off in that marching satisfied manner that odd-ball often do. The response of all the people who saw it also conveyed the freakiness of it.
Interesting to note that it has taken 37 posts to register the woman's reaction.
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Interesting to note that it has taken 37 posts to register the woman's reaction.
I thought his actions alone said enough but it seems for some here it wasn't.
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I thought his actions alone said enough but it seems for some here it wasn't.
Well, if the woman had been expecting the incident in some way (perhaps it happens on a regular basis, as could be case if the guy was mentally ill) she would have reacted differently to a one-off event. That was the problem, you gave a very one-sided picture in your OP, with no indication of whether it was in any way a set-up, or a recurring event, or whatever. The problem with situations like this (like the recent New year's Day photo that has gone viral) is that one can't be sure that its not 'posed'. Even with the woman's reaction, it could have been posed.
Now, i'm not saying that the action of the guy was acceptable, assuming that he was doing it wittingly, just pointing out the problems that can occur around such situations especially to a bystander.
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On the whole I agree with what Sassy said, though it never occurred to me that the young woman knew the man and I think she didn't. However we don't know much about it and, though it was a bit freaky, he didn't harm her. It is a fact that there are people around who behave in a freaky way; I was once at a 'bus stop and a man was wandering around with a box under his arm with microphone attached and he was part preaching, part ranting, and definitely looking quite menacing - however no-one took much notice of him (this was in South London), except a couple of kids who thought it was all funny - we got on our 'bus and left him there to carry on with a new audience.
I don't know what any of this has to do with JWs and Mormons, they do believe in Jesus Christ though in quite a different way to mainstream Christians. So what? There's room for all surely.
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Well, if the woman had been expecting the incident in some way (perhaps it happens on a regular basis, as could be case if the guy was mentally ill) she would have reacted differently to a one-off event. That was the problem, you gave a very one-sided picture in your OP, with no indication of whether it was in any way a set-up, or a recurring event, or whatever. The problem with situations like this (like the recent New year's Day photo that has gone viral) is that one can't be sure that its not 'posed'. Even with the woman's reaction, it could have been posed.
Now, i'm not saying that the action of the guy was acceptable, assuming that he was doing it wittingly, just pointing out the problems that can occur around such situations especially to a bystander.
If it was a recurring thing she would have seen him coming and responded before he could start his act as he came to her from her side (about 80 deg. from her front (to back) axis. But she didn't she turned in surprise. I find your grovelling on this strange, Hope.
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Did you speak to the young woman after this happened, in your presence? Had it occurred in front of me (or to the side of me or whatever), I'm pretty sure I would have said something to the girl, if only, "You okay?". I think most of us would have done the same. Had you done so, she might have told you if she knew him and, if she didn't know him - which is what you believe - she would undoubtedly have been glad that someone cared enough to ask her if she was alright. Might even have been a bit nervous to go out of the library unescorted.
I don't see why this is something that Christians would "think about" any more than anyone else, despite the fact that the man had a cross. Anyone would have been alarmed and concerned. We know your reaction, did anyone else witness the occurrence and what did they do or say?
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Your poor attempts at logic and thinking outside of he box just make you look sad. Her (young beautiful girl) response to a bloke (much older) showed the weirdness of the whole affair and he then promptly paced off in that marching satisfied manner that odd-ball often do. The response of all the people who saw it also conveyed the freakiness of it.
I guess the proof is that you knew I was speaking logically and it was not a poor attempt. You are just miffed because you had not the ability to logically discern what I said for yourself before you wrote your post.
No weirdness you actually wrote:
I saw in my library the other day an eastern/Chinese looking guy of around 50-ish walk up to a pretty young woman, take a cross hanging from his neck by a chain and thrust it into her face. He got his face inches from hers, glared into her eyes and said, "God gave you your beauty!" Then smartly walked off......?
The whole incident is 'ILLOGICAL' as there was NO reason for the incident to occur. If asked if true or false. People would logically answer it was false and never happened because there is no logical reason or indication as to why someone would do that. Hence it is logical to state that the obvious is missing NO REASON for it to have happened. Unless you ignored what went before and did not want to tell us.
We cannot derive anything logical from your post that would put anyone at blame. The reason being NO REASON for it to have happened in the first instance... Only half a story....
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Half a story... were they married? Well! mean Jack sh*t without us knowing the whole story. What is more interesting is the responses on the thread to it... Would it have had the same reaction had it been the star of david or a bunch of roses.
I see nothing in what you said that actually showed a right or wrong. No one just walks up to a stranger and does that.
So rest of story or it means absolutely nothing. Except for them who automatically read something wrong into it without any facts....
As a matter of interest... why post it? Why should Christians make anything from it?"
I dunno Sass, once some elderly woman marched up to me and saluted, and shouted " heil Hitler" (and I look nothing like him) :o
I just thought she was mad as a box of frogs ;)
There are weird people out there...........
I've also known people get thumped by strangers in the high street for no see able reason.
Just occasionally you bump into a situation that doesn't make much sense.
Sometimes strangers are mentally ill and acting out a delusion.
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I dunno Sass, once some elderly woman marched up to me and saluted, and shouted " heil Hitler" (and I look nothing like him) :o
I just thought she was mad as a box of frogs ;)
Arhhh but then you never insulted Christians for it... LOL... I bet you felt (frog)spawned by it. LOL.
Maybe she read the script wrong and it was Hello Hitler.... ;D
There are weird people out there...........
Ssshh they are everywhere...
I've also known people get thumped by strangers in the high street for no see able reason.
OF, Course there was a reason... they walked into the strangers fist... Medical illness of a mental nature or at least a head reason. :( That is sad when people hit out in fear afraid and not knowing what is happening to them.
Just occasionally you bump into a situation that doesn't make much sense.
Sometimes strangers are mentally ill and acting out a delusion.
As I said, it does not make it about religion though does it... If dressed as a Sikh would that become a religious cause for it? So I am sure you see that those who blamed religion or made remarks because of the CROSS being used which made people CROSS including their wires... ;D Were reading their own beliefs and prejudices into what was said to have happened..
A tad-poles apart from what the real possibilities were... ;D
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You speak sense here Sass; it is a silly subject for us to get wound up about (not that I am getting wound up :D), storm in a teacup. People sometimes do strange things and we may not know why but if no harm done, not to worry.
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If it was a recurring thing she would have seen him coming and responded before he could start his act as he came to her from her side (about 80 deg. from her front (to back) axis. But she didn't she turned in surprise. I find your grovelling on this strange, Hope.
Oddly enough, JK, I've been in comparable situations a couple of times, and one turned out to have been something that happened every day at about the same time, and was a local group running a project to get people communicating with each other.
As Brownie Asks: "Did you speak to the young woman after this happened"? Did you, or anyone go and reassure her, ask how she was, etc. after the guy had left?
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Did you speak to the young woman after this happened, in your presence? Had it occurred in front of me (or to the side of me or whatever), I'm pretty sure I would have said something to the girl, if only, "You okay?". I think most of us would have done the same. Had you done so, she might have told you if she knew him and, if she didn't know him - which is what you believe - she would undoubtedly have been glad that someone cared enough to ask her if she was alright. Might even have been a bit nervous to go out of the library unescorted.
I don't see why this is something that Christians would "think about" any more than anyone else, despite the fact that the man had a cross. Anyone would have been alarmed and concerned. We know your reaction, did anyone else witness the occurrence and what did they do or say?
I was sitting a few spots from her and the person next to her said nothing to her. She seemed of the composed type and wasn't flustered by the affair but all the people around turned and looked with that puzzlement that people do when something odd occurs. Her response was first surprise and mild shock and then Oh, you're one of those religious nutters. type of responses, and relaxed back into what she was doing.
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You speak sense here Sass; it is a silly subject for us to get wound up about (not that I am getting wound up :D), storm in a teacup. People sometimes do strange things and we may not know why but if no harm done, not to worry.
I think we live in a stressful age and mens hearts fail them because of the stress.
Luke 21:26King James Version (KJV)
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
Sometimes man cannot see when their own actions are working against the things they want to avoid.
Simply reading something into something which was not there.
These times cause people to mistrust others and live in fear. Whereas trusting in God will bring them peace.
How easy to misread a situation. How sad when people use the situation to attack others whether verbally or physically.
Life is too short. One minute they complain about bullying the next they are the bully.
A little like the line from hook by Wendy... Oh dear, Peter you have become a pirate. :(
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I was sitting a few spots from her and the person next to her said nothing to her. She seemed of the composed type and wasn't flustered by the affair but all the people around turned and looked with that puzzlement that people do when something odd occurs. Her response was first surprise and mild shock and then Oh, you're one of those religious nutters. type of responses, and relaxed back into what she was doing.
Embellishing.... Not a good idea....
I saw in my library the other day an eastern/Chinese looking guy of around 50-ish walk up to a pretty young woman, take a cross hanging from his neck by a chain and thrust it into her face. He got his face inches from hers, glared into her eyes and said, "God gave you your beauty!" Then smartly walked off......?
What response did she make to suggest or support your claim? :- Oh, you're one of those religious nutters.
In fact you clearly say he just walked up to her. It doesn't make sense at all...
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I was sitting a few spots from her and the person next to her said nothing to her. She seemed of the composed type and wasn't flustered by the affair but all the people around turned and looked with that puzzlement that people do when something odd occurs. Her response was first surprise and mild shock and then Oh, you're one of those religious nutters. type of responses, and relaxed back into what she was doing.
So, you made no attempt to reassure her or check that she was alright (after all, people can often appear to be strong, yet hurt inside). That makes all your posturing on this thread somewhat hypocritical.
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Embellishing.... Not a good idea....
Just answering a question, nothing else.
What response did she make to suggest or support your claim? :-
But you just said I shouldn't embellish, so I won't.... ;D
In fact you clearly say he just walked up to her. It doesn't make sense at all...
Yes?......and?
My account does make sense.
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So, you made no attempt to reassure her or check that she was alright (after all, people can often appear to be strong, yet hurt inside). That makes all your posturing on this thread somewhat hypocritical.
No it doesn't. Her response and outcome has no bearing on the weirdness and oddity of what the guy did.
As it was, she did not look flustered by what had happened and continued on with her activity. There were no signs that she was upset, no nervous looking around or staring into space and all that.
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No it doesn't. Her response and outcome has no bearing on the weirdness and oddity of what the guy did.
As it was, she did not look flustered by what had happened and continued on with her activity. There were no signs that she was upset, no nervous looking around or staring into space and all that.
But unless you know the background, if any, to the situation, all your bluster and wriggling is just that, mere bluster and wriggle.
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I think we live in a stressful age and mens hearts fail them because of the stress.
Sometimes man cannot see when their own actions are working against the things they want to avoid.
Simply reading something into something which was not there.
These times cause people to mistrust others and live in fear. Whereas trusting in God will bring them peace.
How easy to misread a situation. How sad when people use the situation to attack others whether verbally or physically.
Life is too short. One minute they complain about bullying the next they are the bully.
A little like the line from hook by Wendy... Oh dear, Peter you have become a pirate. :(
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Embellishing.... Not a good idea....
What response did she make to suggest or support your claim? :-
In fact you clearly say he just walked up to her. It doesn't make sense at all...
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But unless you know the background, if any, to the situation, all your bluster and wriggling is just that, mere bluster and wriggle.
I have never wriggled in my life!!!
The situation or any background context is beside the point. His behaviour was abnormal. Even if she knew him and this had happened before it is still weird and would be classified as harassment. What background scenario can you think of that would make this into a normal act?
If you saw a man manhandle a women roughly and then found out that they were married and this had happened many times before would you say, well that is ok then, it can be seen as quite normal and needs no further comment?
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What background scenario can you think of that would make this into a normal act?
Live drama production; TV shows that aren't scripted - something like a prompt for a vox pop for a magazine show.
If you saw a man manhandle a women roughly and then found out that they were married and this had happened many times before would you say, well that is ok then, it can be seen as quite normal and needs no further comment?
The tone of your question suggests that you would see it "as quite normal and needs no further comment" - whereas, I'd want to know whether it was common or a one-off - in which cases I'd handle the situation in 2 different ways, but would never ignore it (unless someone else beat me to it).
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Oddly enough, JK, I've been in comparable situations a couple of times
I think you should stop doing it then. Some people don't like it.
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Live drama production; TV shows that aren't scripted - something like a prompt for a vox pop for a magazine show.
I can safely say that I saw no cameras and lighting and directors when this event occurred. After it happened no one said "That's a rap."
The tone of your question suggests that you would see it "as quite normal and needs no further comment" - whereas, I'd want to know whether it was common or a one-off - in which cases I'd handle the situation in 2 different ways, but would never ignore it (unless someone else beat me to it).
No, I would see either scenario to be abnormal, or a sign that something was not quite right. I would not take it that it was part of normal life and behaviour. You might be a nosy so and so but as I said she did not look troubled by the intrusion and so there was no need to see if she was alright.
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I can safely say that I saw no cameras and lighting and directors when this event occurred. After it happened no one said "That's a rap."
Shows how little you know about making vox pops and other short material. I and a group of students - with the help of a pro. producer did somethig vaguely similr when i was at college - and at no time did we employ big bulky cameras, lighting, directors (other than ourselves), or close things by saying 'that's a rap' (sic).. If anything, we might have said 'that's a wrap' but nor did we say that!! The camera we used was a domestic movie camera with a small tape cassette. The light we used was daylight.
No, I would see either scenario to be abnormal, or a sign that something was not quite right. I would not take it that it was part of normal life and behaviour. You might be a nosy so and so but as I said she did not look troubled by the intrusion and so there was no need to see if she was alright.
Hopefully you won't be around if anyone here gets harrassed in the way this thread has been discussing. Maybe, it's my Christian upbringing, but I've always be taught - both at home and at school that someone should always say something to a victim in such a situation; if only to show that someone is concerned/saw the event. A victim can always say that they're alright, and/or turn down any offer of help.
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I think you should stop doing it then. Some people don't like it.
Actually, every time, the victim has thanked me for showing concern, even if they didn't want any further help or support. Perhaps your upbringing is like JK's and advised you to steer clear of this kind of situation - rather like the priest and Levite did in the story of the Good Samaritan ;)
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Just answering a question, nothing else.
No you were
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Embellishing adding details you made up.
But you just said I shouldn't embellish, so I won't.... ;D
You did not elaborate. Give details which would have made sense.
develop or present (a theory, policy, or system) in further detail.
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You assumed without knowing the truth of the situation.
My account does make sense.
Only to you in your twisted sense of the word.
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Actually, every time, the victim has thanked me for showing concern, even if they didn't want any further help or support.
People thank you for harassing them with your Jesus messages?
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People thank you for harassing them with your Jesus messages?
No, jeremy, if you read the posts I've made and which you appeared to be referencing, I was talking about my practice of checking that someone who has been assaulted in the way that Jack has been telling us he saw, is alright. I think said practice is good practice. JK, sems to think differently; perhaps, if your attempts to misconstrue my posts are anything to go by, you agree with JK.
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Shows how little you know about making vox pops and other short material. I and a group of students - with the help of a pro. producer did somethig vaguely similr when i was at college - and at no time did we employ big bulky cameras, lighting, directors (other than ourselves), or close things by saying 'that's a rap' (sic).. If anything, we might have said 'that's a wrap' but nor did we say that!! The camera we used was a domestic movie camera with a small tape cassette. The light we used was daylight.
I don't know anything about doing those filming things, but this occurred in a library and if any of this would have been visible or disruptive it would have been dealt with by the staff.
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I don't know anything about doing those filming things, but this occurred in a library and if any of this would have been visible or disruptive it would have been dealt with by the staff.
Suggesting, therefore, that it wasn't 'visible or disruptive'. What's your point.
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I think we live in a stressful age and mens hearts fail them because of the stress.
Sometimes man cannot see when their own actions are working against the things they want to avoid.
Simply reading something into something which was not there.
These times cause people to mistrust others and live in fear. Whereas trusting in God will bring them peace.
How easy to misread a situation. How sad when people use the situation to attack others whether verbally or physically.
Life is too short. One minute they complain about bullying the next they are the bully.
A little like the line from hook by Wendy... Oh dear, Peter you have become a pirate. :(
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Suggesting, therefore, that it wasn't 'visible or disruptive'. What's your point.
So you are saying they can film these things without anyone knowing. Does the 'victim' know they are part of this?
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So you are saying they can film these things without anyone knowing.
Did you never watch Candid Camera, Jack? Ever heard of CCTV? ;)
Does the 'victim' know they are part of this?
It depends on whether s/he is the victim or an insider.
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Did you never watch Candid Camera, Jack? Ever heard of CCTV? ;)
But that is not something you can do in a Library. CCTV? How would a TV company etc. set that up?
It depends on whether s/he is the victim or an insider.
Well, the victim I saw just carried on doing what she had been doing for some time. If it was a prank it failed.
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But that is not something you can do in a Library. CCTV? How would a TV company etc. set that up?
Its a very simple thing to do. I suspect that those who monitor CCTVs placed in libraries see some very interesting events.
Well, the victim I saw just carried on doing what she had been doing for some time. If it was a prank it failed.
Perhaps she was in on the prank and it was meant to get a rise from people who might have been watchng. I wonder whether there is CCTV coverage of your jaw dropping off the screen? ;)
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Its a very simple thing to do. I suspect that those who monitor CCTVs placed in libraries see some very interesting events.
You do post some crap at time, Hope.
Perhaps she was in on the prank and it was meant to get a rise from people who might have been watchng. I wonder whether there is CCTV coverage of your jaw dropping off the screen? ;)
See, more crap from Hope. Hope you improve one day, though I'm not hold my breath.