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Religion and Ethics Discussion => Christian Topic => Topic started by: Bubbles on January 07, 2016, 06:30:51 PM
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A friend of mine and his eight month pregnant wife were hit by a drunk driver. His wife was killed outright and he spent several weeks in hospital. The story made one or two of the national papers so he was inundated with cards from well-wishers. The message in one card read
You can take comfort in the fact that God is in control of your life.
That might have been the first time he laughed after the accident.
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Rose, I'm not sure how Jeremy's post could have inspired you to write anything 'humorous'.
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A friend of mine and his eight month pregnant wife were hit by a drunk driver. His wife was killed outright and he spent several weeks in hospital. The story made one or two of the national papers so he was inundated with cards from well-wishers. The message in one card read
That might have been the first time he laughed after the accident.
My friend got similar sentiments when she lost her four year old to meningitis. It really would have been helpful if Jesus had taught his disciples when to shut the fuck up.
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I learned pretty quickly when my friend lost her son that there's no right thing to say in such circumstances. That doesn't mean you have to stop listening. But there really are some things that are so obviously awful that they really shouldn't be said.
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Pretty sad to have to cruise around the internet for the purpose of finding some Christian site that offends you. There is more to life Rose. I know another poster that hunts down Christian sites and joins for the purpose of crating as much trouble as possible before she gets booted out. Then she comes back here and brags about it. Very sick!
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A big hug and a listening ear then.
Some people have two left feet when it comes to saying something.
I usually say as little as possible, just in case :o
There's nothing at all that can be said to bereaved parents that offers anything, at least not from what I saw with my friend. Whatever you offer feels so inadequate. It was and is the most terrible, terrible thing. :'(
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A friend of mine and his eight month pregnant wife were hit by a drunk driver. His wife was killed outright and he spent several weeks in hospital. The story made one or two of the national papers so he was inundated with cards from well-wishers. The message in one card read
That might have been the first time he laughed after the accident.
If the deity is in control of his life, it underlines its psychopathic nature! >:(
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Rhi,
Are you unable to state your point without being gutter? That was most disgusting and I know you used the f word and my Saviours name just to try and stir things up and shock. Very cheap indeed. You still a moderator?
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Canoe is standing in for Bashful Anthony with the old maiden aunt act I see ::)
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Rhi,
Are you unable to state your point without being gutter? That was most disgusting and I know you used the f word and my Saviours name just to try and stir things up and shock. Very cheap indeed. You still a moderator?
Do you seriously think your opinion of me counts for anything as far as I'm concerned?
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Go work on your big butt Shaker.
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Why on earth would you think that I would want such a thing from you Rhi? I just told you how disgusting I find your gutter behaviour here in the Christian section. Who taught you to write like that?
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Why on earth would you think that I would want such a thing from you Rhi? I just told you how disgusting I find your gutter behaviour here in the Christian section. Who taught you to write like that?
Me, what I've written, whatever. You think use of a swear word in the same sentence as the word Jesus more worthy of comment than the death of a pregnant woman or a child. I suggest you go and read your gospels again, and consider what Jesus would have given a shit about.
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Can I just write knackers here?
No particular reason, I just thought we were running through all the fun words one by one.
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Too much Facebook ::) this place is relatively sane in comparison. :o
Apparently I'm " desperately in need of conversion in Christ, for you are one of those lost sheep in the wilderness of the babylonian ecclesiastical pagan system of beliefs and practices."
What's that! I wonder?
Wilderness of the Babylonian ecclesiastical pagan system of beliefs and practices?
Me? I can barely pronounce it........ 🍷🍷🌹
:P
What has a Christian or other Christian said to you, that made you smile or frown ?
You can always find some of the sheep up by the farmhouse, well, the good looking ones anyway.
ippy
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Me, what I've written, whatever. You think use of a swear word in the same sentence as the word Jesus more worthy of comment than the death of a pregnant woman or a child. I suggest you go and read your gospels again, and consider what Jesus would have given a shit about.
I suspect Jesus wouldn't be very impressed with some of the voluble idiots who claim to be in his club, if he was a half way decent bloke.
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Too much Facebook ::) this place is relatively sane in comparison. :o
Apparently I'm " desperately in need of conversion in Christ, for you are one of those lost sheep in the wilderness of the babylonian ecclesiastical pagan system of beliefs and practices."
What's that! I wonder?
Wilderness of the Babylonian ecclesiastical pagan system of beliefs and practices?
Me? I can barely pronounce it........ 🍷🍷🌹
:P
What has a Christian or other Christian said to you, that made you smile or frown ?
People should not talk like that, it is off putting, doesn't work. I've had similar; I am a believer but do not like or approve of "in yer face" preaching. Many do not realize they do not have the gift of evangelism - they should shut up.
I didn't know stuff like that was done on Facebook, those who have tried to persuade me to post on F/B have assured me it can all be private, by invitation only, etc. I'm not so sure and am not tempted to join.
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Rhi,
So why dirty a serious story with your foul and wind-up gutter words? No, that is silly and very childish to claim I don't care about pregnant women and children. But don't expect me to believe your stories when you dress your comments the way you do. Your use of the f word in the same sentence as Jesus was done for shock. Because as you well know, that name is very powerful, even when you use it in a very dirty way as you do.
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I wonder if Jesus and his disciples used the equivalent of the 'f' word in their language? ;D
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Rhi,
So why dirty a serious story with your foul and wind-up gutter words? No, that is silly and very childish to claim I don't care about pregnant women and children. But don't expect me to believe your stories when you dress your comments the way you do. Your use of the f word in the same sentence as Jesus was done for shock. Because as you well know, that name is very powerful, even when you use it in a very dirty way as you do.
You really need to watch this thing you have about thinking things are dirty and shameful. It's not healthy.
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Rose, I'm not sure how Jeremy's post could have inspired you to write anything 'humorous'.
Had you read all the posts...
Rose
What has a Christian or other Christian said to you, that made you smile or frown ?
A friend of mine and his eight month pregnant wife were hit by a drunk driver. His wife was killed outright and he spent several weeks in hospital.
The story made one or two of the national papers so he was inundated with cards from well-wishers. The message in one card read
You can take comfort in the fact that God is in control of your life.
That might have been the first time he laughed after the accident.
Rose replied.
That's a sad story, poor man.
On a more humorous note, that reminds me of a boo boo I made in my single early twenties :o
Rose was clearly referring to the cards having been sent and the content.
Had the quote not been altered when quoting missing vital information and making no sense of the conversation you would have understood that the accident part and the poor woman dying was not what Rose was referring to and did not find humorous.
It was the sending of cards which reminded her of the boo boo.
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My friend got similar sentiments when she lost her four year old to meningitis. It really would have been helpful if Jesus had taught his disciples when to shut the fuck up.
Neither useful or acceptable. Why did the 4 year old get meningitis?
What had the disciples to do with it or them speaking.
Not even logical is it. Have you lost any children in your family?
We have and I assure you we have had them saved by the LORD, too. Losing a child is something that never goes away. And each birthday none are forgotten. Why not blame your pagan gods... what did they do to help the child?
That's right, they don't do anything because you know they are fake. Whereas Christ and the disciples healed by the power of their God. Maybe more children would be healed if instead of you and other pagans teaching man to reject God, they taught them to embrace him so at least letting them have the chance for their child to be healed.
It is offensive what you wrote but then again you meant it to be. Pity your paganism does not teach you how to behave and treat others.
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Rhi,
Are you unable to state your point without being gutter? That was most disgusting and I know you used the f word and my Saviours name just to try and stir things up and shock. Very cheap indeed. You still a moderator?
Glad we agreed. I made the point of it. Pity she does not see knowing her fake gods are just that... fake... means no one is really going to believe she has any right to comment on our God.
At least our God has a record of showing he wants rid of such suffering. Whilst history shows the beliefs they have dumped once caused harm to children and adults. Even though their gods had never done anything to show themselves.
Her arguments are dead as a dodo as they are there just to offend and have no credence or sincerity in them.
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Me, what I've written, whatever. You think use of a swear word in the same sentence as the word Jesus more worthy of comment than the death of a pregnant woman or a child. I suggest you go and read your gospels again, and consider what Jesus would have given a shit about.
Just like your attitude... Why would people think you give a shit when you ignore the truth that Christ died so the life lost both the woman and child could continue in the next life. Do you have a god who has sent people who raised the dead and healed the sick? Thought not, but you consider yourself able to insult a faith that does?
Jealousy is not a good thing...but is shows how much you ignore that your beliefs, your gods and attitudes can be equally held responsible for the tragedy given that you believe they have power to influence the lives and events of mankind.
People who live in glass houses should not throw stones.
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My friend got similar sentiments when she lost her four year old to meningitis. It really would have been helpful if Jesus had taught his disciples when to shut the fuck up.
And if La La the garden fairy spirit had got hers to as well.
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Just like your attitude... Why would people think you give a shit when you ignore the truth that Christ died so the life lost both the woman and child could continue in the next life. Do you have a god who has sent people who raised the dead and healed the sick? Thought not, but you consider yourself able to insult a faith that does?
Jealousy is not a good thing...but is shows how much you ignore that your beliefs, your gods and attitudes can be equally held responsible for the tragedy given that you believe they have power to influence the lives and events of mankind.
People who live in glass houses should not throw stones.
You cannot provide any proof that assertion is true!
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I'm afraid the bottom line is that we have to try to put these things right ourselves.
No gods, spirits or fairies are going to do anything to help.
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I'm afraid the bottom line is that we have to try to put these things right ourselves.
No gods, spirits or fairies are going to do anything to help.
Very true!
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My friend got similar sentiments when she lost her four year old to meningitis. It really would have been helpful if Jesus had taught his disciples when to shut the fuck up.
Early last year a close friend of our friend Becky lost her three year old daughter, Mariana to meningitis. Mariana's parents, Mike and Lucinda, were so grateful for the help, support and prayers offered from their friends. Below is a copy of the email exchange I had with Becky.
Dear Alan,
Thank you so much for your email- the poem is lovely and is a wonderful comfort for suffering.
Lucinda & Mike are surviving on love and prayers- I'm sure this poem will bless the whole family.
We really missed Celebrate- sorry to hear you were unwell...
With love to you all,
Becky
Sent from my iPhone
On 13 Apr 2015, at 09:39, alan burns <dr_a_burns@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi Andrew and Becky,
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> Sorry you were not able to join us at Celebrate this year.
> We had a wonderful week, despite me being ill with a tummy bug for four days.
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> The childrens' Mass on Thursday morning was dedicated to Mariana. It was a truly joyful celebration.
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> One of the highlights was a Baptist minister from Scotland, Rev Jim Graham, who gave two brilliant talks in the main hall. During one of them, he quoted the poem below when he was talking of his wife's death two years ago. I thought it might help.
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> Love and prayers,
> Alan & Fran
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> My life is but a weaving
> Between the Lord and me;
> I may not choose the colors–
> He knows what they should be.
> For He can view the pattern
> Upon the upper side
> While I can see it only
> On this, the under side.
> Sometimes He weaves in sorrow,
> Which seems so strange to me;
> But I will trust His judgment
> And work on faithfully.
> ‘Tis He who fills the shuttle,
> And He knows what is best;
> So I shall weave in earnest,
> And leave to Him the rest.
> Not ’til the loom is silent
> And the shuttles cease to fly
> Shall God unroll the canvas
> And explain the reason why.
> The dark threads are as needed
> In the Weaver’s skillful hand
> As the threads of gold and silver
> In the pattern He has planned.
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Whatever floo, how about evidence for all your whoppers? When you can do that then you have the right to demand the evidence from others.
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Early last year a close friend of our friend Becky lost her three year old daughter, Mariana to meningitis. Mariana's parents, Mike and Lucinda, were so grateful for the help, support and prayers offered from their friends. Below is a copy of the email exchange I had with Becky.
Dear Alan,
Thank you so much for your email- the poem is lovely and is a wonderful comfort for suffering.
Lucinda & Mike are surviving on love and prayers- I'm sure this poem will bless the whole family.
We really missed Celebrate- sorry to hear you were unwell...
With love to you all,
Becky
Sent from my iPhone
On 13 Apr 2015, at 09:39, alan burns <dr_a_burns@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi Andrew and Becky,
>
> Sorry you were not able to join us at Celebrate this year.
> We had a wonderful week, despite me being ill with a tummy bug for four days.
>
> The childrens' Mass on Thursday morning was dedicated to Mariana. It was a truly joyful celebration.
>
> One of the highlights was a Baptist minister from Scotland, Rev Jim Graham, who gave two brilliant talks in the main hall. During one of them, he quoted the poem below when he was talking of his wife's death two years ago. I thought it might help.
>
> Love and prayers,
> Alan & Fran
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> My life is but a weaving
> Between the Lord and me;
> I may not choose the colors–
> He knows what they should be.
> For He can view the pattern
> Upon the upper side
> While I can see it only
> On this, the under side.
> Sometimes He weaves in sorrow,
> Which seems so strange to me;
> But I will trust His judgment
> And work on faithfully.
> ‘Tis He who fills the shuttle,
> And He knows what is best;
> So I shall weave in earnest,
> And leave to Him the rest.
> Not ’til the loom is silent
> And the shuttles cease to fly
> Shall God unroll the canvas
> And explain the reason why.
> The dark threads are as needed
> In the Weaver’s skillful hand
> As the threads of gold and silver
> In the pattern He has planned.
>
What an evil b*stard the deity is if it exists and cons people into thinking it has their welfare at heart, when clearly it doesn't!
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"...cons people..."
Very interesting indeed!
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What an evil b*stard the deity is if it exists and cons people into thinking it has their welfare at heart, when clearly it doesn't!
Next to Becky's hospital bed, one of the many prayer cards is signed:
With love from Mike, Lucinda and Mariana in heaven
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Next to Becky's hospital bed, one of the many prayer cards is signed:
With love from Mike, Lucinda and Mariana in heaven
The problem, Alan, is when religious people - usually well-meaning - try to feed this stuff to bereaved parents who aren't religious but who nevertheless are trying to make sense of what happened to their child. This is where guidance on keeping quiet rather than dishing out religious platitudes would come in handy.
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Sass, I'm sorry that you lost a child. It's not something that anyone ever gets over, I know. Those I know who have been through it say that they found a way of living with it. I'm glad that your faith brought you consolation.
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Oh my, if you were to go from just what Rhi is dishing out, one would be conned into believing it's only Christians that say the wrong things at the wrong time. No, if one is real, it's plain that's a human thingy. A monkey sitting on a rock knows that.
Fact is Rhi spewed a very disgusting and offensive remark on this very thread. For the shock factor.
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It didn't shock me in the slightest. But then I'm a grown-up, and not standing in for Bashful with the mock horror-smelling salts shtick.
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Neither useful or acceptable. Why did the 4 year old get meningitis?
What had the disciples to do with it or them speaking.
Not even logical is it. Have you lost any children in your family?
We have and I assure you we have had them saved by the LORD, too. Losing a child is something that never goes away. And each birthday none are forgotten. Why not blame your pagan gods... what did they do to help the child?
That's right, they don't do anything because you know they are fake. Whereas Christ and the disciples healed by the power of their God. Maybe more children would be healed if instead of you and other pagans teaching man to reject God, they taught them to embrace him so at least letting them have the chance for their child to be healed.
It is offensive what you wrote but then again you meant it to be. Pity your paganism does not teach you how to behave and treat others.
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It didn't shock me in the slightest. But then I'm a grown-up, and not standing in for Bashful with the mock horror-smelling salts shtick.
Well this is it. It wouldn't have shocked me back when I believed, let alone now.
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Heya Shake,
No, I would expect your type to love gutter.
What tells me that there is a lot of faking going on is the fact Rhi goes nuts on a person using the phrase ,our women, but she loves Shake using the word, old maid. Why? Cause Shake isn't a Christian, only on Christians will she fake an outrage and try and create a sexist monster where one does not exist.
You're special Shake.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96xhahbLgHc
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Early last year a close friend of our friend Becky lost her three year old daughter, Mariana to meningitis. Mariana's parents, Mike and Lucinda, were so grateful for the help, support and prayers offered from their friends. Below is a copy of the email exchange I had with Becky.
Dear Alan,
Thank you so much for your email- the poem is lovely and is a wonderful comfort for suffering.
Lucinda & Mike are surviving on love and prayers- I'm sure this poem will bless the whole family.
We really missed Celebrate- sorry to hear you were unwell...
With love to you all,
Becky
Sent from my iPhone
On 13 Apr 2015, at 09:39, alan burns <dr_a_burns@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi Andrew and Becky,
>
> Sorry you were not able to join us at Celebrate this year.
> We had a wonderful week, despite me being ill with a tummy bug for four days.
>
> The childrens' Mass on Thursday morning was dedicated to Mariana. It was a truly joyful celebration.
>
> One of the highlights was a Baptist minister from Scotland, Rev Jim Graham, who gave two brilliant talks in the main hall. During one of them, he quoted the poem below when he was talking of his wife's death two years ago. I thought it might help.
>
> Love and prayers,
> Alan & Fran
>
> My life is but a weaving
> Between the Lord and me;
> I may not choose the colors–
> He knows what they should be.
> For He can view the pattern
> Upon the upper side
> While I can see it only
> On this, the under side.
> Sometimes He weaves in sorrow,
> Which seems so strange to me;
> But I will trust His judgment
> And work on faithfully.
> ‘Tis He who fills the shuttle,
> And He knows what is best;
> So I shall weave in earnest,
> And leave to Him the rest.
> Not ’til the loom is silent
> And the shuttles cease to fly
> Shall God unroll the canvas
> And explain the reason why.
> The dark threads are as needed
> In the Weaver’s skillful hand
> As the threads of gold and silver
> In the pattern He has planned.
>
You're like one of those prats that come up with that sanctimonious, never mind they've gone to a better place, nonsense, the worst bit is you probably don't realise how unnecessarily hurtful and tactless, you're being and probably never will.
ippy
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Whatever floo
What a stunning riposte to Floo's absolutely correct point - the depth of thought, the sophistication, the subtlety!
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The problem, Alan, is when religious people - usually well-meaning - try to feed this stuff to bereaved parents who aren't religious but who nevertheless are trying to make sense of what happened to their child. This is where guidance on keeping quiet rather than dishing out religious platitudes would come in handy.
A caricature view of the advice given across the board by Christians.
Do you watch a lot of Dot Cotton on Eastenders.
What do you think La La the garden fairy divinity would have you say Rhiannon?
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Since I doubt if Rhiannon believes in such a thing your comment is, typically, vacuous.
A further point is that, even if she did, a believer in one type of supernatural entity (poorly if at all defined and wholly unevidenced, naturally) and one set of bizarre, implausible and equally undemonstrated claims about reality is in no position to jeer at another person with a different entity and a different set of claims.
Your beliefs about the nature of the universe are right up there with La La the garden fairy and don't you forget it, sunbeam ;)
A further point still is that your dismal attempt at a No True Scotsman fails miserably since you obviously missed the fact that the sort of thing you try to characterise as a caricature made up by Rhiannon actually came from Christian believers - see Alan's #37 for details.
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That's not very fair, people have assumed Alan doesn't distinguish between those who find his comments greatly comforting ( other Christians ) and for those who are not and the words are hollow and not comforting.
He well might see that in some circumstances, some responses are not appropriate.
He has picked some where it is appropriate.
Sometimes people do find it comforting to receive a message like Alan is quoting, it depends on the individual concerned.
You need to know the person you are responding to, well
Thanks for the post Rose, however, you've missed out whatever that woman that works at your local supermarket Tuesdays on checkout 3; and how Alan's comment efected her, now that would be a little less obvious.
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You're like one of those prats that come up with that sanctimonious, never mind they've gone to a better place, nonsense, the worst bit is you probably don't realise how unnecessarily hurtful and tactless, you're being and probably never will.
ippy
One day you will know the truth, ippy
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The problem, Alan, is when religious people - usually well-meaning - try to feed this stuff to bereaved parents who aren't religious but who nevertheless are trying to make sense of what happened to their child. This is where guidance on keeping quiet rather than dishing out religious platitudes would come in handy.
But the only thing that makes sense of what has happened to them can be found in Christian faith.
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But the only thing that makes sense of what has happened to them can be found in Christian faith.
You can make up anything that purports to make sense, Alan. Indeed, you've just done exactly that. The usual arrogance about Christianity and the implicit but clear snub to the consolations offered by other religious worldviews is duly noted also.
Someone, I forget who for the time being, once said quite rightly that all (petitionary) prayer ultimately boils down to: Dear Lord, please let two and two not be four. If you are unable to see that the sort of narratives we've been discussing of late are precisely and exactly the sort of auto-consoling stories we'd expect people to invent in extremities of the utmost anguish and desperation - potentially the worst emotional torture humans are capable of experiencing, I'd say -, stories to make the terrible truth not quite so terrible or indeed not even true, then there's no reasoning with you.
But we knew that already.
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One day you will know the truth, ippy
Do you not feel that even if you're not too old for it, the rest of us are too old for the 'wait till your father gets home' spiel?
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But the only thing that makes sense of what has happened to them can be found in Christian faith.
On the contrary, Alan, it's just one of the many daft ideas that makes no sense at all.
What has happened to them (and to millions of other people throughout history) is that life is very similar to a card game, or any other game of chance ... and they have been dealt a bad hand. The only thing we can do is square our shoulders and remember that it deals us good ones with about the same frequency. The love and support of friends and family during the bad times is more useful than the promises of an imagined "God".
It is better to face up to the reality of the situation than to hide behind pretty platitudes.
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Well said, as always, LJ. And of course AB, like so many millions of people, wil end their lives still believing religious stuff and, in fact, never know the truth, as AB thinks he does.
I'm reading HHGG at the moment and it is interesting to see how quite a bit ahead of his time was Douglas Adams.
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I'm afraid the bottom line is that we have to try to put these things right ourselves.
No gods, spirits or fairies are going to do anything to help.
I'm afraid the bottom line is that we can make you insensed and pleading foul from Christians by asking the question why we have to put things right when we have our own views on what is right and wrong?
If we think we are right we are never going to change.
If after some thought we find we don't actually know then we are forced to come to a judgment on ourselves and our egos will generally reach the untruthful conclusion that we are all right.
If morality is due to zeitgeist then I'm afraid it is just a question of not getting caught
You strike me as someone who believes that morality is objective. You actually share that with the theists.
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You can make up anything that purports to make sense, Alan. Indeed, you've just done exactly that. The usual arrogance about Christianity and the implicit but clear snub to the consolations offered by other religious worldviews is duly noted also.
Someone, I forget who for the time being, once said quite rightly that all (petitionary) prayer ultimately boils down to: Dear Lord, please let two and two not be four. If you are unable to see that the sort of narratives we've been discussing of late are precisely and exactly the sort of auto-consoling stories we'd expect people to invent in extremities of the utmost anguish and desperation - potentially the worst emotional torture humans are capable of experiencing, I'd say -, stories to make the terrible truth not quite so terrible or indeed not even true, then there's no reasoning with you.
But we knew that already.
You would have to argue what you say about petitionary prayer because it is just assertion at the moment.
Usual shit approach from anti theists. Criticising but not offering any constructive alternative.......because frankly there isn't a materialist consoling statement.
We are merely sophisticated apes says the materialist Chaplain.......the self is merely an illusion.
At the end of the day only Love is the answer......but I suppose that is an illusion too.
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Well said, as always, LJ. And of course AB, like so many millions of people, wil end their lives still believing religious stuff and, in fact, never know the truth, as AB thinks he does.
I'm reading HHGG at the moment and it is interesting to see how quite a bit ahead of his time was Douglas Adams.
Im afraid Adams blend of hippy anti corporatism with religious cynicism didn't survive and we are merely left with the religious cynicism.
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Well said, as always, LJ. And of course AB, like so many millions of people, wil end their lives still believing religious stuff and, in fact, never know the truth, as AB thinks he does.
It's funny though Doris......I don't think I will die thinking you knew something wonderful than I did...........or that Douglas Adams did either.
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Next to Becky's hospital bed, one of the many prayer cards is signed:
With love from Mike, Lucinda and Mariana in heaven
I find that very creepy!
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Criticising but not offering any constructive alternative
Some things deserve criticism, don't they?
because frankly there isn't a materialist consoling statement.
If it doesn't exist, it doesn't exist, and all the asserting in the world won't make it so. This is the thing that Alan doesn't get.
We are merely sophisticated apes says the materialist Chaplain.......the self is merely an illusion.
At the end of the day only Love is the answer......but I suppose that is an illusion too.
No - illusions are depictions of things that don't actually exist.
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Some people think love is an illusion caused by chemicals in the brain.
I don't understand. Of course love has a biochemical element - how could it not? I don't see how this makes it not real.
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Why does everyone want to force their own truths on them and make them even more unhappy?
That sounds to me exactly what Alan does when he confidently asserts that ippy will know "the truth" - that's what Alan believes, of course - "one day."
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A caricature view of the advice given across the board by Christians.
Do you watch a lot of Dot Cotton on Eastenders.
What do you think La La the garden fairy divinity would have you say Rhiannon?
No, as has been pointed out Alan offered an example here and my friend was given the usual 'all part of God's perfect plan' platitude.
IME garden fairies are made of plastic and come from gift shops. If I want advice on what to say I consult human beings as they are much more useful.
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Of course ´love' exists, just as the hope for an afterlife exists! But they only exist as biochemical reactions in the human brain ... they have no independent existence outside of it.
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One day you will know the truth, ippy
If I ever do, I hope it's accompanied with some sensible kind of back up, unlike the senseless nonsense you keep coming out with that has nothing to back up the plentiful amount of magical, mystical, supernatural stupidity that goes with it.
ippy
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Plastic?
Mine are made out of some sort of stone, like garden gnomes ;)
Mine came from a garden centre.
You obviously got the wrong sort 😜
Mine are very useful, can be aimed at the head of any Christian coming out with a platitude. ;D
Your description of your Garden decoration betrays poor taste Rose.
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Your description of your Garden decoration betrays poor taste Rose.
I take it that's an attempt at humour; you'd sound like such a snob otherwise.
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Poor taste is better than no taste ;)
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I was looking at that poem quoted by AB, and it seems pretty gruesome to me.
The dark threads are as needed
In the Weaver’s skillful hand
As the threads of gold and silver
In the pattern He has planned.
The 'dark threads' presumably refer to bad things that happen to us, such as bereavement, but this poem actually says that they are needed. What does that mean? I suppose it's the 'pattern He has planned'. So if parents lose a child, they are supposed to be comforted by this?
I guess some Christians might be, but hopefully nobody would be as crass and offensive as to say this to non-Christians? Anyway, Rhiannon has expressed this better than I could.
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I think to a certain personality type/psychology there's more comfort to be had in the idea that at least the captain is on the bridge even if he's a bit of a bastard rather than the bridge is empty and nobody's driving.
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On a more humorous note, that reminds me of a boo boo I made in my single early twenties :o
I sent Christmas cards to my colleagues at work, some being married and older men.
I didn't read the message inside, they were just cheap ones, didn't think.
As the day wore on I was getting some funny looks.
They got together and saw the funny side of it, they were lovey dovey ones. :-[
I was extremely embarrassed when I was told.
I don't think anyone took them home in case the wife read them.
I always read the message now, in case of messages I didn't intend ;D
What were the messages?
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Rose, I'm not sure how Jeremy's post could have inspired you to write anything 'humorous'.
Be assured that he'd be OK with it.
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No I know, but the connection was that the person may not have read the message in the card or thought about the other implication of what it said.
I'm sure they read the message - it was hand written.
I don't think the sender meant it in quite the way it comes across.
You are correct of course. I'm sure they honestly thought they were writing words of comfort.
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I take it that's an attempt at humour; you'd sound like such a snob otherwise.
Of course, I was once the proud owner of a mooning gnome....
Tell me, is there anything like that in the pagan pantheon? Don't Cheeky chappies often get a following in your department?
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Of course, I was once the proud owner of a mooning gnome....
Tell me, is there anything like that in the pagan pantheon? Don't Cheeky chappies often get a following in your department?
Tell me, do you actually have even the faintest idea what you are talking about?
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Tell me, do you actually have even the faintest idea what you are talking about?
Yeah aren't there cheeky pagan gods....like Loki who was anything but low key. Aren't there any cheeky gods in your pantheon Rhi?
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Yeah aren't there cheeky pagan gods....like Loki who was anything but low key. Aren't there any cheeky gods in your pantheon Rhi?
Which pantheon would that be?
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Which pantheon would that be?
Straight question then do you or do you not have a pantheon of gods?
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Straight question then do you or do you not have a pantheon of gods?
No. I'm a pantheist, not a polytheist.
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Don't confuse him even more.