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Religion and Ethics Discussion => Christian Topic => Topic started by: ~TW~ on January 20, 2016, 09:33:27 AM
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With God clearly using Satan {scriptures can be provided} to bring Judgement on the world as we run up to the last day,in the form of Death,sickness,famine,wars,also hardening the hearts of un-believers,the day of Grace fading the prospect of knowing you have been used by Satan and he loves his victims of un-belief and also hates you all his servants very much.
Eternity with him will not be much fun,and your chances of escaping hell are very,very low.How do you victims feel about that. 8) That you have fallen for Satan's scam.
~TW~
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I feel absolutely great! It's a wonderful world and the sun is shining! ;D
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TW,
With God clearly using Satan {scriptures can be provided} to bring Judgement on the world as we run up to the last day,in the form of Death,sickness,famine,wars,also hardening the hearts of un-believers,the day of Grace fading the prospect of knowing you have been used by Satan and he loves his victims of un-belief and also hates you all his servants very much.
Eternity with him will not be much fun,and your chances of escaping hell are very,very low.How do you victims feel about that. 8) That you have fallen for Satan's scam.
NURSE! He's escaped again!
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Good morning, TW.
Not bothered in the slightest!
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TW,
NURSE! He's escaped again!
Hell is calling you.Next please.
~TW~
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Gordon and others.I know you are not bothered,but a friendly reminder will not go amiss :)
~TW~
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How very indicative! T&W are the first two letters of TWADDLE. ;D
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Gordon and others.I know you are not bothered,but a friendly reminder will not go amiss :)
~TW~
Come now Mr TWaddle, we all know that the motive for your post is sadistic pleasure rather than a friendly reminder! ;D ;D
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Len,
How very indicative! T&W are the first two letters of TWADDLE.
Oh I can think of a better "tw" word to describe him than that.
In the vanishingly unlikely event that there is a god who punishes scumbags, you have to think that TW's venomously smug delight in the supposedly grim fate of others would put him somewhere near the top of the list...
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Len,
Oh I can think of a better "tw" word to describe him than that.
Twit, twat, twirp and two-faced come to mind. Take your pick. :)
In the vanishingly unlikely event that there is a god who punishes scumbags, you have to think that TW's venomously smug delight in the supposedly grim fate of others would put him somewhere near the top of the list...
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Well lets have a look at the twaddle from today's un-believing world
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3407270/Shocking-moment-journalist-attacked-migrants-Calais-Jungle.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/news/article-3407234/Worried-state-world-economy-s-prepare-new-crisis.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3407757/Scandal-indie-music-world-CEO-management-group-forced-resign-female-musicians-accuse-sexual-misconduct.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3406204/Relatives-lose-contact-three-London-schoolgirls-fled-Syria.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3407654/British-man-Marco-Bulmer-Rizzi-banned-dead-husband-s-funeral-arrangements-Australia.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3407533/Hunt-s-2bn-offer-stop-GP-revolt-Health-Secretary-promises-cut-paperwork-ease-workload-scale-inspections-ahead-crisis-meeting-senior-doctors.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3407556/Blackmail-Fury-EU-tells-Britain-Agree-quote-migrants-barred-deporting-thousands.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3407679/Mr-Cameron-stop-vile-witch-hunts-against-brave-troops-former-Armed-Forces-minister-s-Winston-Churchill-s-grandson-blistering-call-arms.html
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/636266/Jihadi-Sid-s-benefit-scrounger-pals-boast-of-Sharia-UK-and-being-paid-by-YOU-to-spout-bile
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/636169/Norway-warns-Brexit-WON-T-free-us-from-EU-meddling
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/635942/Islam-Scholar-Saud-Saleh-Cairo-Slavery-Muslim-Women-Pagan-ISIS-Al-Azhar-University-Egypt?utm_source=traffic.outbrain&utm_medium=traffic.outbrain&utm_term=traffic.outbrain&utm_content=traffic.outbrain&utm_campaign=traffic.outbrain
Not true they cry bury it under the mat. “How long, O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?”
and the Lord says now Power was given to him who sat on it to take peace from the earth, causing people to kill one another. Then a great sword was given to him.
I looked, and there was a black horse, and he who sat on it had a pair of scales in his hand. 6 Then I heard a voice in the midst of the four living creatures saying, “A quart[a] of wheat for a day’s wages, and three quarts of barley for a day’s wages, and do not harm the oil and the wine.”
and there was a pale horse, and the name of him who sat on it was Death, and Hades followed him. Power over a fourth of the earth was given to them, to kill with sword, with hunger, with death, and by the beasts of the earth. The un- believer says Twaddle no such thing as hell or God but the Lord holds them in fast.He who sits in the heavens laughs;
the Lord ridicules them.
5 Then He will speak to them in His wrath
and terrify them in His burning anger:
6 “I have installed My king
on Zion, My holy hill.”
Those from the bottomless pit at work bringing you down in to hell 11 They had as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek his name is Apollyon.[a]
~TW~
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Your petunias are looking lovely this year
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That these articles are from the Mail and the Express must be telling me something.
What is it?
Answers on a post card please - addressed to 1950.
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It's Wednesday TW - steak and kidney for lunch today.
You like a nice bit of steak and kidney pie don't you? Of course you do, so that's nice.
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That these articles are from the Mail and the Express must be telling me something.
What is it?
Answers on a post card please - addressed to 1950.
It is telling you hell is coming for you God has you in his sights.And he has hardened your heart you cannot repent.Doomed Mr Mannering Doomed.
~TW~
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It is telling you hell is coming for you God has you in his sights.And he has hardened your heart you cannot repent.Doomed Mr Mannering Doomed.
~TW~
It's not really.
It's telling me there's bad news in the world today. Plus ca change...
Even then it's bad news viewed through a badly damaged microscope that chooses to focus fuzzily but insistently on one spot only - ignoring lots of other stuff that is ticking along just fine.
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20 The rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands. They did not cease to worship demons, and idols of gold, silver, brass, stone, and wood, which cannot see nor hear nor walk. 21 Nor did they repent of their murders or their magical arts or their sexual immorality or their thefts.
A perfect picture of today's world. 5 But because of your hardness and impenitent heart, you are storing up treasures of wrath against yourself on the day of wrath when the righteous judgment of God will be revealed, onward and forward to hell with a heart that has been hardened by God you have scorned his mercy you have sent yourself to hell.
~TW~
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But because of your hardness and impenitent heart, you are storing up treasures of wrath against yourself on the day of wrath when the righteous judgment of God will be revealed, onward and forward to hell with a heart that has been hardened by God you have scorned his mercy you have sent yourself to hell.
Well I'll sort all that out if I see God. It's really nothing for you to worry your pretty little head about.
But thanks for thinking of me.
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Oh dearie me, TW! What a lot of old toffee you have swallowed. How anybody can be so gullible in this enlightened age is astonishing.
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Where are your Christian chums, TW? It seems strange that none of them have joined you in your hopes for the future. Do you think they might be a tad ashamed of you? ::)
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With God clearly using Satan {scriptures can be provided} to bring Judgement on the world as we run up to the last day,in the form of Death,sickness,famine,wars,also hardening the hearts of un-believers,the day of Grace fading the prospect of knowing you have been used by Satan and he loves his victims of un-belief and also hates you all his servants very much.
Eternity with him will not be much fun,and your chances of escaping hell are very,very low.How do you victims feel about that. 8) That you have fallen for Satan's scam.
~TW~
What a saddo TW is! :o
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With God clearly using Satan {scriptures can be provided} to bring Judgement on the world as we run up to the last day,in the form of Death,sickness,famine,wars,also hardening the hearts of un-believers,the day of Grace fading the prospect of knowing you have been used by Satan and he loves his victims of un-belief and also hates you all his servants very much.
Eternity with him will not be much fun,and your chances of escaping hell are very,very low.How do you victims feel about that. 8) That you have fallen for Satan's scam.
~TW~
If by following the teaching that you so vehermently promote means an eternity in your so-called Heaven listening to the self-righteous rantings of you and those of similar beliefs - I will take Hell any day.
Unfortunately I CANNOT go to Hell as Satan still has a restraining order out against me as he thinks I am going to try to take over.
He's right!
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If by following the teaching that you so vehermently promote means an eternity in your so-calkled Heaven listening to the self-righteous rantings of you and those of similar beliefs - I will take Hell any day.
Unfortunately I CANNOT go to Hell as Satan still has a restraining order out against me as he thinks I am going to try to take over.
He's right!
Nice one! ;D
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It is telling you hell is coming for you God has you in his sights.And he has hardened your heart you cannot repent.Doomed Mr Mannering Doomed.
~TW~
Let me consider the contents of this post rather carefully!
Hmmm!
No, on balance, I really cannot count the number of shits and fucks that I don't give!
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Instead of threatening others, maybe TW should consider his own behaviour which brings Christianity into disrepute. He might be the one getting a tan in the fiery furnace! ;D
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Instead of threatening others, maybe TW should consider his own behaviour which brings Christianity into disrepute. He might be the one getting a tan in the fiery furnace! ;D
He'll be alright. His thick skin will protect him for a while.
Any bets on just how long?
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How very indicative! T&W are the first two letters of TWADDLE. ;D
Or Twit.
ippy
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You've posted ~TW~ and no mention of the flood or creation?
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Instead of threatening others, maybe TW should consider his own behaviour which brings Christianity into disrepute. He might be the one getting a tan in the fiery furnace! ;D
Really floo lets look at what I have said and show you are a joke .God uses evil to destroy evil. Example Evil Babylonians sent to destroy Evil disobedient Israel.
Christians turn the other cheek but now ask 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” So we have Christians seeking revenge.God replies 11 Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed. With God clearly using Satan {scriptures can be provided} to bring Judgement on the world as we run up to the last day and with Gods anger hardening the hearts of people like you Floo, Satan is your king and he awaits you soon in hell.
The sands of time are running out and you are a lost soul.
27 “Then he said, ‘I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father’s house, 28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.’ 29 Abraham said to him, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 And he said, ‘No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ 31 But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’”
~TW~
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With God clearly using Satan {scriptures can be provided} to bring Judgement on the world as we run up to the last day,in the form of Death,sickness,famine,wars,also hardening the hearts of un-believers,the day of Grace fading the prospect of knowing you have been used by Satan and he loves his victims of un-belief and also hates you all his servants very much.
With confirmation bias like that, who needs evidence?
Well lets have a look at the twaddle from today's un-believing world
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3407270/Shocking-moment-journalist-attacked-migrants-Calais-Jungle.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/news/article-3407234/Worried-state-world-economy-s-prepare-new-crisis.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3407757/Scandal-indie-music-world-CEO-management-group-forced-resign-female-musicians-accuse-sexual-misconduct.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3406204/Relatives-lose-contact-three-London-schoolgirls-fled-Syria.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3407654/British-man-Marco-Bulmer-Rizzi-banned-dead-husband-s-funeral-arrangements-Australia.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3407533/Hunt-s-2bn-offer-stop-GP-revolt-Health-Secretary-promises-cut-paperwork-ease-workload-scale-inspections-ahead-crisis-meeting-senior-doctors.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3407556/Blackmail-Fury-EU-tells-Britain-Agree-quote-migrants-barred-deporting-thousands.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3407679/Mr-Cameron-stop-vile-witch-hunts-against-brave-troops-former-Armed-Forces-minister-s-Winston-Churchill-s-grandson-blistering-call-arms.html
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/636266/Jihadi-Sid-s-benefit-scrounger-pals-boast-of-Sharia-UK-and-being-paid-by-YOU-to-spout-bile
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/636169/Norway-warns-Brexit-WON-T-free-us-from-EU-meddling
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/635942/Islam-Scholar-Saud-Saleh-Cairo-Slavery-Muslim-Women-Pagan-ISIS-Al-Azhar-University-Egypt?utm_source=traffic.outbrain&utm_medium=traffic.outbrain&utm_term=traffic.outbrain&utm_content=traffic.outbrain&utm_campaign=traffic.outbrain
Bad things happen therefore God wants you all to suffer for not believing in the right unevidenced assertions... Does that really come across to you as more likely than 'bad things happen, therefore the universe is not built to make us happy'?
20 The rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands. They did not cease to worship demons, and idols of gold, silver, brass, stone, and wood, which cannot see nor hear nor walk. 21 Nor did they repent of their murders or their magical arts or their sexual immorality or their thefts
Past tense? This has already happened, yet here we are. If it didn't work last time, why would it work this time?
Really floo lets look at what I have said and show you are a joke .God uses evil to destroy evil. Example Evil Babylonians sent to destroy Evil disobedient Israel.
Is that on Netflix?
Christians turn the other cheek but now ask 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” So we have Christians seeking revenge.God replies 11 Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed. With God clearly using Satan {scriptures can be provided} to bring Judgement on the world as we run up to the last day and with Gods anger hardening the hearts of people like you Floo, Satan is your king and he awaits you soon in hell.
But Gandalf warned: "Do not trifle in the affairs of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger." And it must be true, because Elric said it, as well, in Babylon 5!
Rather than spending your time telling people they are going to hell in an afterlife for which there is no evidence, try just enjoying the life you have a decent reason for suspecting that you do have.
O.
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TW, who are you to tell unbelievers what is going to happen to them? Your OP stinks of judgementalism. Not one of us knows another's fate and you are extremely arrogant to think you do.
For some, there is Hell on earth already, do you believe God will punish them all over again, for eternity if not infinity?
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TW, who are you to tell unbelievers what is going to happen to them? Your OP stinks of judgementalism. Not one of us knows another's fate and you are extremely arrogant to think you do.
For some, there is Hell on earth already, do you believe God will punish them all over again, for eternity if not infinity?
Read your bible brownie I am not telling anyone,if there is no God you are in the clear ............If. :)
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With confirmation bias like that, who needs evidence?
Bad things happen therefore God wants you all to suffer for not believing in the right unevidenced assertions... Does that really come across to you as more likely than 'bad things happen, therefore the universe is not built to make us happy'?
Past tense? This has already happened, yet here we are. If it didn't work last time, why would it work this time?
Is that on Netflix?
But Gandalf warned: "Do not trifle in the affairs of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger." And it must be true, because Elric said it, as well, in Babylon 5!
Rather than spending your time telling people they are going to hell in an afterlife for which there is no evidence, try just enjoying the life you have a decent reason for suspecting that you do have.
O.
Outrider or is it crashed rider whatever it is Hell is waiting for un-believers and that I believe puts you in the Q your choice.
~TW~
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I believe puts you in the Q your choice.
Q - wasn't he a great character in Star Trek - TNG.
A bit god like.
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Outrider or is it crashed rider whatever it is Hell is waiting for un-believers and that I believe puts you in the Q your choice.
~TW~
Can you hear that? That's the sound of my knees completely failing to knock together in fear at the cartoon horror story you suggest is awaiting in an unevidenced and logically nonsensical afterlife.
If you want to encourage people to be better people then:
a) come up with a system of morality that's more discerning than 'do what barbaric people tried to impose on their tribes'
b) encourage people to be good for its own merits rather than out of fear of punishment
O.
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Can you hear that? That's the sound of my knees completely failing to knock together in fear at the cartoon horror story you suggest is awaiting in an unevidenced and logically nonsensical afterlife.
If you want to encourage people to be better people then:
a) come up with a system of morality that's more discerning than 'do what barbaric people tried to impose on their tribes'
b) encourage people to be good for its own merits rather than out of fear of punishment
O.
ok :) but hell waits now be a good boy,good people do not go to heaven.so nothing changes.
~TW~
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Really floo lets look at what I have said and show you are a joke .God uses evil to destroy evil. Example Evil Babylonians sent to destroy Evil disobedient Israel.
Christians turn the other cheek but now ask 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” So we have Christians seeking revenge.God replies 11 Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed. With God clearly using Satan {scriptures can be provided} to bring Judgement on the world as we run up to the last day and with Gods anger hardening the hearts of people like you Floo, Satan is your king and he awaits you soon in hell.
The sands of time are running out and you are a lost soul.
27 “Then he said, ‘I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father’s house, 28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.’ 29 Abraham said to him, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 And he said, ‘No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ 31 But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’”
~TW~
You have a very sick version of faith, TW! >:(
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ok :) but hell waits now be a good boy,good people do not go to heaven.so nothing changes.
~TW~
So heaven will just be filled with all the cunts then
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Sorry to have upset all of you but you are all guilty of blaspheming God and so a warning from scripture to tell you it has not gone un noticed,by the one who sees all I am being kind to to you.
Maybe some of you might escape hell but I think on the evidence you have more chance of winning the lottery :) or finding alien space men.
~TW~
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Sorry to have upset all of you but you are all guilty of blaspheming God and so a warning from scripture to tell you it has not gone un noticed,by the one who sees all I am being kind to to you.
Maybe some of you might escape hell but I think on the evidence you have more chance of winning the lottery :) or finding alien space men.
~TW~
Do people run away from you in the streets?
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I think this is just the response TW was looking for. Why? I have no idea.
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Sorry to have upset all of you but you are all guilty of blaspheming God and so a warning from scripture to tell you it has not gone un noticed,by the one who sees all I am being kind to to you.
Maybe some of you might escape hell but I think on the evidence you have more chance of winning the lottery :) or finding alien space men.
~TW~
Not upset at all, I find you vaguely remiscent of this
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8k7VoFiagfs
So quite entertaining
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ok :) but hell waits now be a good boy,good people do not go to heaven.so nothing changes. ~TW~
Nobody goes anywhere, they just stop. Live while you can.
O.
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Sorry to have upset all of you but you are all guilty of blaspheming God and so a warning from scripture to tell you it has not gone un noticed,by the one who sees all I am being kind to to you.
Maybe some of you might escape hell but I think on the evidence you have more chance of winning the lottery :) or finding alien space men.
~TW~
When are you going to learn that the god that you hold so dear is despised and hated by most people - and not just those on this forum - as a barbaric, vindictive, sadistic, tyranical arsehole and you, my friend (NOT), are quite clearly incapable of independant thought in, one, believing that the bible is anything other than a work of 2,000 year old Chinese Whispers and two, believing your god to be otherwise.
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When are you going to learn that the god that you hold so dear is despised and hated by most people - and not just those on this forum - as a barbaric, vindictive, sadistic, tyranical arsehole and you, my friend (NOT), are quite clearly incapable of independant thought in, one, believing that the bible is anything other than a work of 2,000 year old Chinese Whispers and two, believing your god to be otherwise.
I just don't believe in it, saves the effort of all that hating and despising
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I just don't believe in it, saves the effort of all that hating and despising
Sums my position up pretty much.
I'm saving all my hatred for the remake of "Birds of a Feather".
Now there's a question:
Why on Earth did God allow this to happen?
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Sums my position up pretty much.
I'm saving all my hatred for the remake of "Birds of a Feather".
Now there's a question:
Why on Earth did God allow this to happen?
Because he's an unfeeling and stupid bastard?
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Sums my position up pretty much.
I'm saving all my hatred for the remake of "Birds of a Feather".
Now there's a question:
Why on Earth did God allow this to happen?
i'm splurging my hatred on the Bowie tribute band at the Brits
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When are you going to learn that the god that you hold so dear is despised and hated by most people - and not just those on this forum - as a barbaric, vindictive, sadistic, tyranical arsehole
Here is the challenge, TW; to help people understand why this statement is wrong.
S
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I just don't believe in it, saves the effort of all that hating and despising
That's very good. I was just thinking, what an effort to summon up any animosity, when in fact, it's just boring.
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Does anyone else here wonder, as I do, if the reason that there is so long between responses from ~TW~ is because he is praying for guidance?
Or hunting through the bible for a quote supportive of his position?
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Read your bible brownie I am not telling anyone,if there is no God you are in the clear ............If. :)
Arrogance again: I am a believer TW and do know my Bible. I do not share your interpretation and know very few who do (apart from on the internet where all sorts of extremism flourishes).
I will now be as arrogant as you and suggest you work on your personal relationship with God - the Father and Christ - and ask the Holy Spirit to give you some insight. Also get to know people better, a wider section of society including those of other faiths.
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Does anyone else here wonder, as I do, if the reason that there is so long between responses from ~TW~ is because he is praying for guidance?
Or hunting through the bible for a quote supportive of his position?
He's watching the racing on TV, and making a bet.
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Arrogance again: I am a believer TW and do know my Bible. I do not share your interpretation and know very few who do (apart from on the internet where all sorts of extremism flourishes).
I will now be as arrogant as you and suggest you work on your personal relationship with God - the Father and Christ - and ask the Holy Spirit to give you some insight. Also get to know people better, a wider section of society including those of other faiths.
Brownie you are not a believer,and I reject what you say entirely.You are pathetic so what new name will you have tomorrow.How about Pudding head. ::)
~TW~.
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Well lads looks like you have a new person to join you calls him/her self brownie and knows nothing about the last book of the bible and very little about the first book.
~TW~
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TW,
Well lads looks like you have a new person to join you calls him/her self brownie and knows nothing about the last book of the bible and very little about the first book.
Perhaps, but in his favour he does at least appear to have some basic reasoning ability and some human decency to boot. That'll be Brownie: 2, TW: 0 then.
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TW I am sure Jesus would be so proud of you if he were around today, NOT if he was a decent guy! "Depart from me for I never knew you", might be the phrase he would direct at you! >:(
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TW I am sure Jesus would be so proud of you if he were around today, NOT if he was a decent guy! "Depart from me for I never knew you", might be the phrase he would direct at you! >:(
Why because your Jesus {myth} knows nothing about hell.You have the wrong Jesus floo this nice guy as you call him.
~TW~
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TW,
Why because your Jesus {myth} knows nothing about hell.You have the wrong Jesus floo this nice guy as you call him.
Odd innit, the way people project their own personalities onto their daft superstitions: nice and kind Christian = nice and kind Jesus; nasty piece of work Christian = nasty piece of work Jesus.
Funny that.
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Brownie you are not a believer,and I reject what you say entirely.You are pathetic so what new name will you have tomorrow.How about Pudding head. ::)
~TW~.
Charming! Most people know I am Lyn and Brown is the surname I had when I was born, hence Brownie. I was previously LyndaB but when I tried to log in after a very long time, I could not do so as LyndaB so Brownie was the obvious choice to me at the time.
I am a believer but not on here to convince you TW, neither do I want to fall out with you. You're entitled to your opinion and the tone of my responses have purely been because I found your OP unbelievably arrogant. There are posters on here who were browbeaten by such teachings when they were children, enough to give them nightmares and certainly not conducive to getting to know the Lord. I don't pretend to have all the answers and won't until I am gone from this earth but that is true for everyone.
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Brownie,
I don't pretend to have all the answers and won't until I am gone from this earth but that is true for everyone.
Actually it's more likely not true for anyone, but ok.
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That too is possible bluehillside :), I have my dry and wondering times but, on the whole, I hang onto my faith. I don't usually bang on about it, at least I hope not!
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Charming! Most people know I am Lyn and Brown is the surname I had when I was born, hence Brownie. I was previously LyndaB but when I tried to log in after a very long time, I could not do so as LyndaB so Brownie was the obvious choice to me at the time.
I am a believer but not on here to convince you TW, neither do I want to fall out with you. You're entitled to your opinion and the tone of my responses have purely been because I found your OP unbelievably arrogant. There are posters on here who were browbeaten by such teachings when they were children, enough to give them nightmares and certainly not conducive to getting to know the Lord. I don't pretend to have all the answers and won't until I am gone from this earth but that is true for everyone.
Let me enlighten you first on a daily basis 99.9 % on this forum blaspheme the Lord constantly all day and every day now they do that with nothing really being said now if these gooey lovely people were all hurt when they were itsy bitsy tidli children and I mean all of them then fair enough,but I do not believe it so today has been from the bible to tell these blasphemers what it says and what the future is for them.Maybe you could as a Believer also tell them that as a believer God is not mocked.Try it. tell them.
I will look in tomorrow.
~TW~
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Sorry to have upset all of you but you are all guilty of blaspheming God and so a warning from scripture to tell you it has not gone un noticed,by the one who sees all I am being kind to to you.
According to you, God has hardened my heart so I can't repent. If that's the case, he is probably a complete arsehole.
Fortunately, blasphemy is a truly victimless crime.
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That's intriguing, after all, God hardened Pharaoh's heart. Could he (or we) then be blamed and asked to repent? I suppose if God had ordained it in order to demonstrate his power! Fall down and worship chocolate, you scoundrels!
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I don't believe that people blaspheme intentionally, a lot do not know what they believe and are bound to bluster. I'm sure I did many years ago and have been forgiven for it - in order to truly blaspheme you must understand what you are saying so maybe I didn't need forgiveness for that.
The important thing, imo, is to keep an open mind and listen - and question.
(By the way I'm a "her" :)).
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Brownie,
I don't believe that people blaspheme intentionally, a lot do not know what they believe and are bound to bluster. I'm sure I did many years ago and have been forgiven for it - in order to truly blaspheme you must understand what you are saying so maybe I didn't need forgiveness for that.
The important thing, imo, is to keep an open mind and listen - and question.
(By the way I'm a "her" :)).
Just to note, this is the kind of grotesque outcome that can ensue when someone thinks blasphemy is a real thing:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-35356052
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That is so horrible Bluehillside, seems too awful to be true.
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That is so horrible Bluehillside, seems too awful to be true.
Welcome to planet Earth, where nothing is too awful to be true.
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I know that only too well Shaker, just don't understand it. Maybe it doesn't do to analyse too much but the thoughts that went through my head when I read that report were, "Where were his parents?" and "Why is that act not being condemned? No religion could support it, especially when a minor is involved. He may live to regret mutilating himself in that way - an act which cannot be supported by Islam - yet he'll have to hang onto his current ideas in order to justify it in the future. Very nasty.
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When are you going to learn that the god that you hold so dear is despised and hated by most people - and not just those on this forum - as a barbaric, vindictive, sadistic, tyranical arsehole
Here is the challenge, TW; to help people understand why this statement is wrong.
S
The fact Owlswing missed the second 'r' out of 'tyrranical' doesn't mean that they're wrong, surely?
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Brownie,
Just to note, this is the kind of grotesque outcome that can ensue when someone thinks blasphemy is a real thing:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-35356052
You can add these while you are at it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-35356052
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-29926866
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Here is the challenge, TW; to help people understand why this statement is wrong.
S
The fact Owlswing missed the second 'r' out of 'tyrranical' doesn't mean that they're wrong, surely?
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Oh NO! - A typo!
Whatever next?
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Brownie,
I know that only too well Shaker, just don't understand it. Maybe it doesn't do to analyse too much but the thoughts that went through my head when I read that report were, "Where were his parents?" and "Why is that act not being condemned? No religion could support it, especially when a minor is involved. He may live to regret mutilating himself in that way - an act which cannot be supported by Islam - yet he'll have to hang onto his current ideas in order to justify it in the future. Very nasty.
So far as I can glean his family and community have cheered him on. Possibly it was a pragmatic response though - had he not done it a lynching may well have followed.
"Faith" eh - doncha love it?
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Yes Matty, somebody pointed out your spelling mistake, like you did to a person yesterday. Too funny you.
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Good morning all you goats followers of the god {small g}of this world,deluded by those who tell you nothing evolved and busy searching for other forms of life out there in space. :)
Just to remind you of hell and to add, in your interest to try to avoid it,not much else to say.May look in tomorrow if your lucky. :)
~TW~
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Good morning all you goats followers of the god {small g}of this world,deluded by those who tell you nothing evolved and busy searching for other forms of life out there in space. :)
Just to remind you of hell and to add, in your interest to try to avoid it,not much else to say.May look in tomorrow if your lucky. :)
~TW~
Crazy ~'T'~WUM! ::)
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Good morning all you goats followers of the god {small g}of this world,deluded by those who tell you nothing evolved and busy searching for other forms of life out there in space. :)
Just to remind you of hell and to add, in your interest to try to avoid it,not much else to say.May look in tomorrow if your lucky. :)
~TW~
Who is the "god (small g)" that you refer to, has he no name?
If you look in today I would suggest that we will be far from "lucky".
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You've posted ~TW~ and no mention of the flood or creation?
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That's usually Floo's prerogative, ippy ;)
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Yes Matty, somebody pointed out your spelling mistake, like you did to a person yesterday. Too funny you.
Unfortunately, nobody seems to appreciate the irony of pointing out there should be two 'r's in tyrannical when, of course, there shouldn't be (but there should be two 'n's...)
Not so much 'too funny you' as 'too clever you'... Ah the tyrrany of pedentry...
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Unfortunately, nobody seems to appreciate the irony of pointing out there should be two 'r's in tyrannical when, of course, there shouldn't be (but there should be two 'n's...)
Not so much 'too funny you' as 'too clever you'... Ah the tyrrany of pedentry...
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Wouldn't that because too few people got the irronny?
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Unfortunately, nobody seems to appreciate the irony of pointing out there should be two 'r's in tyrannical when, of course, there shouldn't be (but there should be two 'n's...)
Not so much 'too funny you' as 'too clever you'... Ah the tyrrany of pedentry...
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HUGE GRIN! (no smiley available!)
I have to admit that I realised instanta that there WAS a typo, and also that it was NOT the one that you quoted. I did not understand why you would have made such an error, but hey, I'm not that perfect as I have no wish to follow the last perfect Jew to appear on Earth onto a cross.
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That's usually Floo's prerogative, ippy ;)
You obviously haven't read TW's renderings when he switches on the afterburners and takes off on these subjects, he always puts a smile on my face every time he goes into orbit on both of these subjects, you know Hope, he really thinks the flood happened and evolution didn't?
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You obviously haven't read TW's renderings when he switches on the afterburners and takes off on these subjects, he always puts a smile on my face every time he goes into orbit on both of these subjects, you know Hope, he really thinks the flood happened and evolution didn't?
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Actually, my dear Ippy, you are wrong! You have to be because the last thing that ~TW~ ever does is think.
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Actually, my dear Ippy, you are wrong! You have to be because the last thing that ~TW~ ever does is think.
Perhaps I should have said "he still promotes" etc etc, I feel humbled Owl, you are right.
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Perhaps I should have said "he still promotes" etc etc, I feel humbled Owl, you are right.
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Bloody Hell! Finally, I managed to get something right! Reaches for diary to enter Red Letter day!
Thanks Ippy!
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After all these years of mocking and sneering at TW and his elk, I've suddenly realised he may be on to something...
Too wet for water biscuits as Carr's pauses production
http://gu.com/p/4g2th
NOOOOOOOoooooooo......!
These truly are the end times. Mark my words; they'll be riots in the aisles of Waitrose!
(And by riots I mean nearly audible tutting and strongly worded emails to the regional manager. )
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TW is just weird!
He is the insecure one IMO, that's why he has to diss everyone else.
He is afraid of having to question his beliefs. He doesn't want anyone else to be saved.
It's his weakness, not everyone elses.
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TW is just weird!
He is the insecure one IMO, that's why he has to diss everyone else.
He is afraid of having to question his beliefs. He doesn't want anyone else to be saved.
It's his weakness, not everyone elses.
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Best to just try and ignore him.
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Best to just try and ignore him.
I'm not very good at ignoring people ;D
IMO TW needs saving ;)
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I'm not very good at ignoring people ;D
IMO TW needs saving ;)
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But he clearly doesn't want to be saved ... he's happy in his misery.
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I have met in person, and on-line, many hell and damnation merchants in my time, and none of them seem very happy. Maybe they are actually scared they will end up in the place they are condemning others to!
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My Beliefs are perfectly sound so here they are,first of all many good Christians have left this forum,simply because they have seen you goats are a waste of space,they have also noticed that God has hardened your hearts,and salvation is nigh on impossible for you goats,so alas they have moved on.They see you searching for evidence to deny God,and see you believing in evolution which there is not a scrap of evidence for. :) all so very strange.But when considered Satan has you in his grip,deception is the active word.
Also God is today judging this country and America. We see this country falling apart,one report showed 23 people living in one house in squalor and the cry goes out bring them in fill the country,and the infrastructure buckles,we have a NHS and some people have no doctors,bring on the de-creation of this God-less country.
May look in tomorrow.
~TW~
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My Beliefs are perfectly sound so here they are,first of all many good Christians have left this forum,simply because they have seen you goats are a waste of space,they have also noticed that God has hardened your hearts,and salvation is nigh on impossible for you goats,so alas they have moved on.They see you searching for evidence to deny God,and see you believing in evolution which there is not a scrap of evidence for. :) all so very strange.But when considered Satan has you in his grip,deception is the active word.
Also God is today judging this country and America. We see this country falling apart,one report showed 23 people living in one house in squalor and the cry goes out bring them in fill the country,and the infrastructure buckles,we have a NHS and some people have no doctors,bring on the de-creation of this God-less country.
May look in tomorrow.
~TW~
Far from sound your beliefs are CRAZY, and you should get help!
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The judgement of Britain http://www.express.co.uk/finance/city/637063/Britain-1-5-trillion-of-debt-as-George-Osborne-blows-targets
Luke 2:11 Strange sights in the sky's deception from another dimension
http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/637075/Bizarre-UFO-with-trail-which-blocked-out-the-sun-leaves-UFO-investigators-stumped
Omens for the goats
http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/636375/The-Second-Coming-Perfect-cross-forms-in-the-sky-prompting-fears-of-ARMAGEDDON?_ga=1.64091629.33590372.1453466098
and a little reading for floo
http://www.angelfire.com/ut/branton/russhaft.html
~TW~
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My Beliefs are perfectly sound so here they are,first of all many good Christians have left this forum,simply because they have seen you goats are a waste of space,they have also noticed that God has hardened your hearts,and salvation is nigh on impossible for you goats,so alas they have moved on.They see you searching for evidence to deny God,and see you believing in evolution which there is not a scrap of evidence for. :) all so very strange.But when considered Satan has you in his grip,deception is the active word.
Also God is today judging this country and America. We see this country falling apart,one report showed 23 people living in one house in squalor and the cry goes out bring them in fill the country,and the infrastructure buckles,we have a NHS and some people have no doctors,bring on the de-creation of this God-less country.
May look in tomorrow.
~TW~
YOUR god has hardened OUR hearts and damned us!
What a bastard!
And you, you twisted idiot, blame us for our dislike of him. I have read the bible, when I was young and Christian, and there is sweet Fanney Adams in there about your god that makes him in any way likable. much less lovable.
It is only the weak minded who will accept your god as in any way good. Compared to him Satan is the epitome of humanity.
~TW~ - you really, really, ought to seek psychiatric help before you pass the point where you are no longer treatable.
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Sure looks like God has hardened TW's heart.
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Sure looks like God has hardened TW's heart.
IF he has one!
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One wonders when a person is as disturbed as TW appears to be if they should be permitted to post of forums, as it could make their mental health problems even worse!
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One wonders when a person is as disturbed as TW appears to be if they should be permitted to post of forums, as it could make their mental health problems even worse!
If sanity were the qualifications for this forum, jakswan would be better off.
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My Beliefs are perfectly sound so here they are,
Imagine my unconstrained joy... :)
first of all many good Christians have left this forum,
Is that they are good and Christian, or good at being Christian, because with your definition of Christian I'm not sure those are necessarily the same thing.
simply because they have seen you goats are a waste of space,
Really? I'd have thought we were a more than adequate source of varied opinions and points of view, or were they coming here thinking the point was to try to convert people rather than explore other views?
they have also noticed that God has hardened your hearts,and salvation is nigh on impossible for you goats,so alas they have moved on.
If God has hardened our hearts, surely our goatishness (goaticity?) is God's work? Salvation from what, preachy Christians?
They see you searching for evidence to deny God,
No, just for evidence. That's the way it works, evidence isn't 'for' or 'against' anything, it's just evidence.
and see you believing in evolution which there is not a scrap of evidence for.
If there weren't evidence, you're right, we'd be believing in it. Instead, we're accepting that the logical conclusion of watching evolution happen is that evolution happens. Evolution is not in question, evolution is an observed phenomenon, like gravity, or rain. The Theory of Evolution is an explanation of how that evolution probably occurs, and is supported by an immense body of evidence.
But when considered Satan has you in his grip,deception is the active word.
If God has hardened our hearts, isn't it his will that we be in Satan's grasp? Aren't you being defiant by trying to change that?
How do you know it's Satan and not one of the other great evils: Baal, Tiamat, Gargamel...?
Also God is today judging this country and America. We see this country falling apart,one report showed 23 people living in one house in squalor and the cry goes out bring them in fill the country,and the infrastructure buckles,we have a NHS and some people have no doctors,bring on the de-creation of this God-less country.
So God is judging this country because we're abandoning religion by having a situation where 23 people is an outrage sufficient to get into the news, whilst the devout nations of sub-Saharan Africa are being blessed with that as the norm in places where it's only exceptional because people don't have houses at all...
May look in tomorrow.
Why bother looking when you choose not to see?
O.
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If sanity were the qualifications for this forum, jakswan would be better off.
Ehhhhhhhhhhh?
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Ehhhhhhhhhhh?
There is a charge for the forum that jakswan pays. If only sane people were to post then, I doubt it would cost anything.
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I have met in person, and on-line, many hell and damnation merchants in my time, and none of them seem very happy. Maybe they are actually scared they will end up in the place they are condemning others to!
I would love to see that French comedian Jacques Tati doing a good job of parodying ~TW~ wearing his "A" board, with the overhead signboard up, the whole monty, I can see the state he would have got into playing the part, it makes me smile thinking about it
How many days a week do you reckon ~TW~ dons the boards Floo?
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It is sometimes the bravest thing to do, warn others and yet it can also be the most irritating to none believers.
But manners and treating others properly is not just for those who have faith but this thread would so far prove that theory wrong. Seems there is very little truth that Atheists can treat others properly in all circumstances. This thread is a testimony that like giving pearls to pigs they trample over them too. Not knowing or having any understanding of value or why they should not be mishandled or treated.
TW should keep his pearls of wisdom to himself. And the Atheists should stop reacting like dumb animals and express the truth they profess to treat others properly.
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Sass, why don't you try to lead by example when it comes to manners and treating people properly? It'd be interesting to see how long you could keep it up for.
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It is sometimes the bravest thing to do, warn others and yet it can also be the most irritating to none believers.
But manners and treating others properly is not just for those who have faith but this thread would so far prove that theory wrong. Seems there is very little truth that Atheists can treat others properly in all circumstances. This thread is a testimony that like giving pearls to pigs they trample over them too. Not knowing or having any understanding of value or why they should not be mishandled or treated.
TW should keep his pearls of wisdom to himself. And the Atheists should stop reacting like dumb animals and express the truth they profess to treat others properly.
Sassy, I don't agree.
TW has put his "message" in such a way that not only shows a huge contempt for other posters who refuse to see things the way he does, but also that he has no intention of "saving" anyone, (more he's sticking the knife in glee at the fate of other posters on this board.)
He hasn't put it in a caring way has he?
He's reaped what he's sown IMO. ( which is a phrase that originated in the bible )
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It is sometimes the bravest thing to do, warn others and yet it can also be the most irritating to none believers.
But manners and treating others properly is not just for those who have faith but this thread would so far prove that theory wrong. Seems there is very little truth that Atheists can treat others properly in all circumstances. This thread is a testimony that like giving pearls to pigs they trample over them too. Not knowing or having any understanding of value or why they should not be mishandled or treated.
TW should keep his pearls of wisdom to himself. And the Atheists should stop reacting like dumb animals and express the truth they profess to treat others properly.
Warning others about fanciful nonsense, which has no evidence to substantiate it is like warning people of the bogeyman under the bed!
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Warning others about fanciful nonsense, which has no evidence to substantiate it is like warning people of the bogeyman under the bed!
Is that where you put your bogeys then Floo?
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"..they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood—idols that cannot see or hear or walk."
Silver or Gold Jesus' on a wooden cross. Silver crosses, wooden crosses, bronze crosses, gold crosses. Wooden Jesus' on bronze crosses - the list is endless and that is just Jesus.
Seems to me there is a fuckload of Idol worshipping in Church and some act like daemons..
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When are you going to learn that the god that you hold so dear is despised and hated by most people - and not just those on this forum - as a barbaric, vindictive, sadistic, tyranical arsehole and you, my friend (NOT), are quite clearly incapable of independant thought in, one, believing that the bible is anything other than a work of 2,000 year old Chinese Whispers and two, believing your god to be otherwise.
You could always list God's good attributes which can be known just by looking out of the window. It sounds as though you have never even been outside.
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You could always list God's good attributes which can be known just by looking out of the window.
That's called the natural world (or just 'world' as I like to call it, as I don't know of any non-natural world), and as ever when deployed by somebody trying to advance it as an argument for the existence of God it's a disastrous non-starter, relying as it invariably does on massively selective attention to what is perceived to be nice while conveniently ignoring the nasty bits. Kittens, roses, rainbows and sunsets are in, rectal cancer and the West Nile virus are out. Well, sorry, but the world is the world, and if you're trying to claim that a conscious intelligent agent is responsible for it, that includes everything, otherwise you stand accused of being (a) selective to the nth degree and (b) suffering from terminal confirmation bias.
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You could always list God's good attributes which can be known just by looking out of the window. It sounds as though you have never even been outside.
The deity has NO good attributes! >:( Thank goodness decent humans didn't follow its cr*p example!
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While there is life on earth, the good outweighs the bad.
I'm sure you live in a nice warm house with central heating, double glazing, plenty in the fridge freezer and the cupboards so that's easy for you to say. For the vast majority of sentient beings - I mean that literally; I'm not confining myself to human beings alone here - that's merely sentimental bullshit, as Vlad would say if he wasn't such a monumental hypocrite. The bad - pain; fear; hunger; fatigue and the like - has always massively outweighed whatever good there undoubtedly is. Sheer numbers have it so, for starters, given the literally incalculable number of sentient creatures which have ever existed on this planet.
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That's called the natural world (or just 'world' as I like to call it, as I don't know of any non-natural world), and as ever when deployed by somebody trying to advance it as an argument for the existence of God it's a disastrous non-starter, relying as it invariably does on massively selective attention to what is perceived to be nice while conveniently ignoring the nasty bits. Kittens, roses, rainbows and sunsets are in, rectal cancer and the West Nile virus are out. Well, sorry, but the world is the world, and if you're trying to claim that a conscious intelligent agent is responsible for it, that includes everything, otherwise you stand accused of being (a) selective to the nth degree and (b) suffering from terminal confirmation bias.
Well, that's why "God" invented Satan ... to be his knock-down man. :D
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You could always list God's good attributes which can be known just by looking out of the window. It sounds as though you have never even been outside.
Don't talk twaddle!
I am Pagan and my deities are everywhere and in everything around me! My 'church' can be anywhere, my garden, the local park, Epping Forest, the New Forest, the bus shelter as I wait for my bus into town and I use them all frequently - even when it is cold and wet - there are very few "fair-weather" pagans around.
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I'm sure you live in a nice warm house with central heating, double glazing, plenty in the fridge freezer and the cupboards so that's easy for you to say. For the vast majority of sentient beings - I mean that literally; I'm not confining myself to human beings alone here - that's merely sentimental bullshit, as Vlad would say if he wasn't such a monumental hypocrite. The bad - pain; fear; hunger; fatigue and the like - has always massively outweighed whatever good there undoubtedly is. Sheer numbers have it so, for starters, given the literally incalculable number of sentient creatures which have ever existed on this planet.
Yes my house is warm today, thankfully. We had a power cut two weeks ago for a whole day. We used candles for light, had no heating but if the builder had been sensible he would have added a chimney so we would have lit a fire. We kept our food fresh by putting it outside. Houses in Bulgaria have thick walls to keep in heat, and a well for water. The allotments are just down the road.
Best of all, no TV or internet! So we survived and had a friend round for a while. I guess if it was like that every day life would be harder than it is now but there would be less technical problems. Technology is basically man doing his job of subduing the earth.
Birds have nice thick plumage to keep them warm. Other creatures hibernate.
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Don't talk twaddle!
I am Pagan and my deities are everywhere and in everything around me! My 'church' can be anywhere, my garden, the local park, Epping Forest, the New Forest, the bus shelter as I wait for my bus into town and I use them all frequently - even when it is cold and wet - there are very few "fair-weather" pagans around.
My point is that God, who created the things you call 'deities', is good.
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Birds have nice thick plumage to keep them warm. Other creatures hibernate.
... which are evolutionary adaptations, but that's another story.
Birds and hibernating creatures still die in massive numbers if the food runs short or if it becomes too cold. They are still preyed upon by other creatures and spend much of their lives in a desperate scrabble for food and shelter or outright terror when at the top of some other creature's list of ideas for lunch. This is how it has always been and always will be. So much for the good outweighing the bad.
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My point is that God, who created the things you call 'deities', is good.
So why do we not see rather more and more consistent evidence for this stance than we actually do?
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My point is that God, who created the things you call 'deities', is good.
No wonder you are called "Spud" - this statement could only have been made by someoine with the intellectual capacity of a potato - my deities existed and were worshipped thousands of years before some idiot invented yours.
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No wonder you are called "Spud" - this statement could only have been made by someoine with the intellectual capacity of a potato
Sorry but I LOL'd :D
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No wonder you are called "Spud" - this statement could only have been made by someoine with the intellectual capacity of a potato - my deities exited and were worshipped thousands of years before some idiot invented yours.
The exit of any god is welcomed! (and I don't mean its arse)
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The exit of any god is welcomed! (and I don't mean its arse)
Thanks for that L J - I have corrected my typo.
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Thanks for that L J - I have corrected my typo.
That's one post I should not have made! :(
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That's one post I should not have made! :(
Hey Man, negative perspiration, there have been far, far worse!
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Hey Man, negative perspiration, there have been far, far worse!
:) :) :)
I will take comfort in that!
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Yes my house is warm today, thankfully. We had a power cut two weeks ago for a whole day. We used candles for light, had no heating but if the builder had been sensible he would have added a chimney so we would have lit a fire. We kept our food fresh by putting it outside. Houses in Bulgaria have thick walls to keep in heat, and a well for water. The allotments are just down the road.
Best of all, no TV or internet! So we survived and had a friend round for a while. I guess if it was like that every day life would be harder than it is now but there would be less technical problems. Technology is basically man doing his job of subduing the earth.
Birds have nice thick plumage to keep them warm. Other creatures hibernate.
I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say here, so I'll restrict my comments to your last two sentences. You are simply describing evolutionary traits which allow a species to survive. In a very cold winter many millions of individual birds die of cold and hunger. Such species as long tailed tits, for example, suffer terribly during periods of extreme cold. In fact many millions of birds die in their first year from natural causes(e.g. lack of food/predation/disease), often in the first few weeks, otherwise in a few years we would be overrun by blue tits, for example. This doesn't seem to me to have anything to do with your supposed God's goodness or otherwise.
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I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say here, so I'll restrict my comments to your last two sentences. You are simply describing evolutionary traits which allow a species to survive. In a very cold winter many millions of individual birds die of cold and hunger. Such species as long tailed tits, for example, suffer terribly during periods of extreme cold. In fact many millions of birds die in their first year from natural causes(e.g. lack of food/predation/disease), often in the first few weeks, otherwise in a few years we would be overrun by blue tits, for example. This doesn't seem to me to have anything to do with your supposed God's goodness or otherwise.
Ah, but that's because the Devil invented winter.
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Ah, but that's because the Devil invented winter.
Truly? I thought that the Earth and everything in and on it was created in seven days by some supposedly omnipotent entity - what was his name now?
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Truly? I thought that the Earth and everything in and on it was created in seven days by some supposedly omnipotent entity - what was his name now?
It was that "God" character. I dunno whether his angel Lucifer fell out with him before or after the creation. All interesting stuff though, ain't it?
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It was that "God" character. I dunno whether his angel Lucifer fell out with him before or after the creation. All interesting stuff though, ain't it?
Considering that the followers of that "God" character consider me and all other Pagans to be followers of the Satan bloke I suppose that I should know the answer to that question.
Unfortunately virtually none of the Pagans I have ever met (Oh shit, I'm sounding like Hope! But I have met a damned sight more pagans of various stripes than he) believes in Satan/the Devil as our belief is that we are the makers of our own destiny and do not have some little red bloke with horns, a pitchfork and a pointed tail sitting on our shoulders whispering naughty thoughts into our ears.
The best explanation I ever heard for the Christian dogma of Satan was that early Christian priests found that, far from being the high-minded and pure paragons of virtue that they claimed to be, they, like ordinary men, got an erection when they looked at a woman!
Because they were pious and holy the only reason for this physical reaction must be a nasty evil force = Satan! They still use this excuse for wanting, and getting, blow-jobs from choirboys!
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Considering that the followers of that "God" character consider me and all other Pagans to be followers of the Satan bloke I suppose that I should know the answer to that question.
Unfortunately virtually none of the Pagans I have ever met (Oh shit, I'm sounding like Hope! But I have met a damned sight more pagans of various stripes than he) believes in Satan/the Devil as our belief is that we are the makers of our own destiny and do not have some little red bloke with horns, a pitchfork and a pointed tail sitting on our shoulders whispering naughty thoughts into our ears.
The best explanation I ever heard for the Christian dogma of Satan was that early Christian priests found that, far from being the high-minded and pure paragons of virtue that they claimed to be, they, like ordinary men, got an erection when they looked at a woman!
Because they were pious and holy the only reason for this physical reaction must be a nasty evil force = Satan! They still use this excuse for wanting, and getting, blow-jobs from choirboys!
Serves 'em right! They shouldn't have invented the daft idea that priests can't marry. I doubt very much that Jesus/God decided it.
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my deities existed and were worshipped thousands of years before some idiot invented yours.
Spud's deity is at least early first millennium BCE. I don't suppose there's any evidence that your deities were invented that long ago.
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Spud's deity is at least early first millennium BCE. I don't suppose there's any evidence that your deities were invented that long ago.
The earliest known religious artifact is a carving of the Venus of Willendorf, dated at 25,000 TO 23,000 BCE
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No wonder you are called "Spud" - this statement could only have been made by someoine with the intellectual capacity of a potato - my deities existed and were worshipped thousands of years before some idiot invented yours.
Owlswing this is your lunch speaking. Maybe you should be true to your name and be quiet. Your deities do not exist and never have done. They are attributes of the one true God.
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... which are evolutionary adaptations, but that's another story.
Birds and hibernating creatures still die in massive numbers if the food runs short or if it becomes too cold. They are still preyed upon by other creatures and spend much of their lives in a desperate scrabble for food and shelter or outright terror when at the top of some other creature's list of ideas for lunch. This is how it has always been and always will be. So much for the good outweighing the bad.
True that weaker creatures struggle more during extreme cold and live in fear of stronger creatures. Yet all creatures are subject to extreme weather, and that is God's way of asserting his control over them.
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Owlswing this is your lunch speaking. Maybe you should be true to your name and be quiet. Your deities do not exist and never have done. They are attributes of the one true God.
Garbage, all deities are human creations as there is no evidence any of them exist in reality!
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True that weaker creatures struggle more during extreme cold and live in fear of stronger creatures. Yet all creatures are subject to extreme weather, and that is God's way of asserting his control over them.
Your version of the deity would be an evil b*stard if that were the case!
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Owlswing this is your lunch speaking. Maybe you should be true to your name and be quiet. Your deities do not exist and never have done. They are attributes of the one true God.
Spud, you are in no position to be so condescending. You have zero evidence that your "one true God" actually exists.
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True that weaker creatures struggle more during extreme cold and live in fear of stronger creatures. Yet all creatures are subject to extreme weather, and that is God's way of asserting his control over them.
Seriously ?
Its a bit of a blunt instrument
It reminds me of one of those cartoons where someone has a little cloud over their head.
Personal weather systems!
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Maybe you should be true to your name ...
The evidence on this board shows that you are being true to your name and it's probable inspiration.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZrMHwtGYrg
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Hello goats or turkeys looking forward to Christmas :) whatever you call yourselves,maybe the hell bound club.those who are doomed with hardened hearts and dupes of Satan.
The United kingdom is not united ,Scotland,Wales,Northern Ireland turmoil in all directions dis unity all around,Great Britain :) no longer great , up to our necks in debt cannot afford planes, for aircraft carriers.
One politician suggest putting to sea with nuclear submarines with no weapons,steel works collapse,turn off the lights at night council's say we cant afford them,but your rates will go up,and your services will be cut,police cut,fire service cut,library's cut,ambulance service grinds to a halt,food banks,the anti Christian BBC now crying out for money.People living 26 to a house crime on the increase,floods, Judgement all around.Judgement and turmoil.
The ungodly are not so,
But are like the chaff which the wind drives away.
5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment,
Nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.
6 For the Lord knows the way of the righteous,
But the way of the ungodly shall perish.
~TW~
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That's another 3 people in that house in a couple of days.
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Owlswing this is your lunch speaking. Maybe you should be true to your name and be quiet. Your deities do not exist and never have done. They are attributes of the one true God.
In your mind only - I think the same way about yours!
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Garbage, all deities are human creations as there is no evidence any of them exist in reality!
When are you going to get it through your blind hatred that this is the very reason why it is called FAITH!
Because there is no evidence - only belief and faith in that belief.
This is not going to change just because you keep saying the same thing over and over again, any more than I am going back to Christianity because Hope, Ad_O, Sassy etc keep repeating the same thing - you will not turn me atheist for the very same reason.
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Seriously ?
Its a bit of a blunt instrument
It reminds me of one of those cartoons where someone has a little cloud over their head.
Personal weather systems!
It was more thinking about how God can subdue the biggest of the creatures, as in Job (?)40. He seems to have arranged things so that we can either curse God which interestingly people here are doing and is just what Job's wife told him to do, or we can accept suffering and trust God, as Job did.
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Spud, you are in no position to be so condescending. You have zero evidence that your "one true God" actually exists.
Science tells us that things do not create themselves, the law of entropy applies. Therefore they must have been created. That's evidence. You're right that I shouldn't have been rude to owlswing. Sorry owlswing.
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Science tells us that things do not create themselves, the law of entropy applies. Therefore they must have been created. That's evidence.
Not of a god, it ain't.
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Science tells us that things do not create themselves, the law of entropy applies. Therefore they must have been created. That's evidence. You're right that I shouldn't have been rude to owlswing. Sorry owlswing.
Accepted
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The earliest known religious artifact is a carving of the Venus of Willendorf, dated at 25,000 TO 23,000 BCE
And what makes you think that carving has anything to do with the gods you follow (if "follow" is the right word)?
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Owlswing this is your lunch speaking. Maybe you should be true to your name and be quiet. Your deities do not exist and never have done.
Neither does yours.
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And what makes you think that carving has anything to do with the gods you follow (if "follow" is the right word)?
It is similar to other artifacts - later ones, found at sites known to be places of pagan worship.
Let's face it, if the description is properly applied ALL religions prior to the arrival of Christianity (not Christ - he was a Jew - Christianity) were pagan. Regardless of how far back, any deity dated prior to about 100CE was pagan and pre-dates Christianity.
Christians can wriggle and squirm and argue definitions but it does not change the fact that pagan deities pre-date the johnny-come-lately Christianity.
To put it bluntly I am fed up with having to say this over and over again because someone, Christian or atheist, seems to think that I am going to have forgotten saying it and I am going to say something different so that they can go "Aha - you didn't say that before so you are making it up".
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Hello Matty,
How very strange and interesting that you are unaware that Judaism is NOT a pagan religion. Get your facts straight Matty. Before JUDAISM, there was only those pagan ones. However, I believe that there has always been followers of the Creator going back to Adam.
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Hello Matty,
How very strange and interesting that you are unaware that Judaism is NOT a pagan religion. Get your facts straight Matty. Before JUDAISM, there was only those pagan ones. However, I believe that there has always been followers of the Creator going back to Adam.
OK - Enough is enough!
Of your last 25 posts 11 have done nothing but take a pop at me - nothing added to anything to do with the subjects of the thread just some inane "Dearest Matty" comment,
KNOCK IT OFF!
You are clearly obsessed!
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When are you going to get it through your blind hatred that this is the very reason why it is called FAITH!
Because there is no evidence - only belief and faith in that belief.
This is not going to change just because you keep saying the same thing over and over again, any more than I am going back to Christianity because Hope, Ad_O, Sassy etc keep repeating the same thing - you will not turn me atheist for the very same reason.
In a way, though, your 'faith' or 'belief', or whatever it is still shows that you need some invisible something behind the world as it is (as Shaker says, no need to call it the 'natural' world), , and that you have one , imagined, layer between you and reality. Why is that, do you think?
Reality, that is, as it is seen as clearly as it can be by scientists etc who study it, and by all those, since the very earliest atheist - oh, how I'd love to have met him/her - probably the latter!! - who knew there was no invisible something.
#152 'pagan deities'? Surely this should be 'imagined' deities? And by the way, this is not a 'dig' at you, I have been intending to write this thought at pagans in general for some time.
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Science tells us that things do not create themselves, the law of entropy applies. Therefore they must have been created. That's evidence. You're right that I shouldn't have been rude to owlswing. Sorry owlswing.
Could you tell us your understanding of the 'law of entropy' please Spud?
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In a way, though, your 'faith' or 'belief', or whatever it is still shows that you need some invisible something behind the world as it is (as Shaker says, no need to call it the 'natural' world), , and that you have one , imagined, layer between you and reality. Why is that, do you think?
Reality, that is, as it is seen as clearly as it can be by scientists etc who study it, and by all those, since the very earliest atheist - oh, how I'd love to have met him/her - probably the latter!! - who knew there was no invisible something.
#152 'pagan deities'? Surely this should be 'imagined' deities? And by the way, this is not a 'dig' at you, I have been intending to write this thought at pagans in general for some time.
I can't speak for Owlswing but I know many pagans - if not most - accept that their deities could exist within the imagination. Some - myself included - state definitely that this is the case - for me they are archetypes of myth and legend that show me things about my life through the imagination and subconscious.
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Not of a god, it ain't.
Of a creator, then?
Maeght,
Could you tell us your understanding of the 'law of entropy' please Spud?
Without looking it up, its where everything eventually breaks up into its constituent atoms and dissipates into space.
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I can't speak for Owlswing but I know many pagans - if not most - accept that their deities could exist within the imagination. Some - myself included - state definitely that this is the case - for me they are archetypes of myth and legend that show me things about my life through the imagination and subconscious.
And, of course, all of you could be fitments of my imagination, or indeed my imagination could be a construct and a figment of other imaginations. Since most gods are defined in ways beyond the purview if science, and since science is about what appears to be a shared reality, than act about reality, i'm never very sure what the claim about them being possible constructs is meant to achieve.
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Well, you won't find me arguing that reality is knowable. But nevertheless I find I need a 'reality' in which to function. I quite like my version of it because it changes over time, which keeps things interesting. 'Pagan deities are archetypes' works for me as the way to explain what I experience.
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Well, you won't find me arguing that reality is knowable. But nevertheless I find I need a 'reality' in which to function. I quite like my version of it because it changes over time, which keeps things interesting. 'Pagan deities are archetypes' works for me as the way to explain what I experience.
No, I wasn't arguing with on that assumption, rather seeking to add to your point to show that there is a use of the term imagined here which is not backed up by epistemology.
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Why discuss what is imaginary when everything is?
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Why discuss what is imaginary when everything is?
Agree, if we are using 'imaginary' in the sort of pejorative sense that it seems to be as regards gods as it is here.
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Science tells us that things do not create themselves, the law of entropy applies. Therefore they must have been created. That's evidence. You're right that I shouldn't have been rude to owlswing. Sorry owlswing.
Even if that were so it doesn't mean any deity was behind it, and certainly not the screw up merchant depicted in the Bible!
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I heard we could face an energy crisis a few years ago,I thought well maybe the powers that be will sort it,today we are told not sorted=downhill de-creation. Also another 33 now claim the winning lottery ticket more evidence of God-less people who love lies and scams all hell bound,goats could it be with hardened hearts.
So true Death Hell Problems stalk the unbeliever, also the EU say we must print the word fish on fish products and for those of you who cannot think a packet of peanuts contains nuts.
Another myth is evolution but it is a get out of jail card worth holding on to at least it takes your mind off hell.
~TW~
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I heard we could face an energy crisis a few years ago,I thought well maybe the powers that be will sort it,today we are told not sorted=downhill de-creation. Also another 33 now claim the winning lottery ticket more evidence of God-less people who love lies and scams all hell bound,goats could it be with hardened hearts.
So true Death Hell Problems stalk the unbeliever, also the EU say we must print the word fish on fish products and for those of you who cannot think a packet of peanuts contains nuts.
Another myth is evolution but it is a get out of jail card worth holding on to at least it takes your mind off hell.
~TW~
How much have you had to drink, or are you on an illegal substance? Your posts are crazy, and suggest that you suffer from a hell paranoia, possibly because you fear that is where you will end up!
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Sassy, I don't agree.
TW has put his "message" in such a way that not only shows a huge contempt for other posters who refuse to see things the way he does, but also that he has no intention of "saving" anyone, (more he's sticking the knife in glee at the fate of other posters on this board.)
Would be one of the knives he has had thrust in his own back?
I think we both know he is often ridiculed and insulted. He insults me too. Water dripping off a ducks back.
Do you think he is a believer or do you think he posts to annoy everyone?
Either way both sides to blame with atheists they give as good as they get.
He hasn't put it in a caring way has he?
Give us the example of putting it in a caring way. Take what he has said and do it for him.
He's reaped what he's sown IMO. ( which is a phrase that originated in the bible )
;)
The truth is they reaped what they sowed... sowed back in the times of the BBC forum.
You want them to change? Well co-operation is a two way street. If you can get it so Atheists and Christians have a common ground then let me know. We can change everything... ;) :D
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Warning others about fanciful nonsense, which has no evidence to substantiate it is like warning people of the bogeyman under the bed!
Would be better if you could not read or write, it is wasted on someone who cannot use it correctly when it comes to discussions about Christianity or Christians and Atheists...
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Would be better if you could not read or write, it is wasted on someone who cannot use it correctly when it comes to discussions about Christianity or Christians and Atheists...
Poor Sass, you are rather sad!
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"..they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood—idols that cannot see or hear or walk."
Silver or Gold Jesus' on a wooden cross. Silver crosses, wooden crosses, bronze crosses, gold crosses. Wooden Jesus' on bronze crosses - the list is endless and that is just Jesus.
Seems to me there is a fuckload of Idol worshipping in Church and some act like daemons..
Speaking personally, never liked or accepted crucifix's being gold , silver or cheap metal.
A wooden cross a statement of belief. But when a believer had God and Christ they have no significance at all.
Don't like statues of Mary, Jesus or the whole things. But really some things are just a reminder for some.
Christmas nativity plays or displays of the crib with wise men etc.
No believer worships or acknowledges such things if true believers.
They are no necessary.
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Poor Sass, you are rather sad!
See no answer to the truth just insult the person telling it...
As I said not educated enough to make a decent argument about it...
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See no answer to the truth just insult the person telling it...
As I said not educated enough to make a decent argument about it...
You wouldn't know the elusive 'truth' if it bit you on your rear end Sass. Your posts are at best good for a giggle, and that is all! ::)
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Moderator:
Floo/Sass
Please cease the tit-for-tat exchanges: not only is it disruptive, it is also repetitively boring!
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Reality, that is, as it is seen as clearly as it can be by scientists etc who study it, and by all those, since the very earliest atheist - oh, how I'd love to have met him/her - probably the latter!! - who knew there was no invisible something.
I can't speak for Owlswing but I know many pagans - if not most - accept that their deities could exist within the imagination. Some - myself included - state definitely that this is the case - for me they are archetypes of myth and legend that show me things about my life through the imagination and subconscious.
It struck me that Susan's statement about reality and 'the first atheist' had a ring of the mythological to it. I think it kind of proves your point Rhiannon. It seems always to me that we are helpless in the face of our instinct to create narratives out of an imagined version of reality, and and in how we use those stories to help understand our own lives and times. The only difference is how literally individuals take those stories.
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I heard we could face an energy crisis a few years ago,I thought well maybe the powers that be will sort it,today we are told not sorted=downhill de-creation. Also another 33 now claim the winning lottery ticket more evidence of God-less people who love lies and scams all hell bound,goats could it be with hardened hearts.
So true Death Hell Problems stalk the unbeliever, also the EU say we must print the word fish on fish products and for those of you who cannot think a packet of peanuts contains nuts.
Another myth is evolution but it is a get out of jail card worth holding on to at least it takes your mind off hell.
~TW~
I see you're still away with the fairies as ever ~Tw________
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In a way, though, your 'faith' or 'belief', or whatever it is still shows that you need some invisible something behind the world as it is (as Shaker says, no need to call it the 'natural' world), , and that you have one , imagined, layer between you and reality. Why is that, do you think?
Reality, that is, as it is seen as clearly as it can be by scientists etc who study it, and by all those, since the very earliest atheist - oh, how I'd love to have met him/her - probably the latter!! - who knew there was no invisible something.
#152 'pagan deities'? Surely this should be 'imagined' deities? And by the way, this is not a 'dig' at you, I have been intending to write this thought at pagans in general for some time.
I will ignore the "I have been intending to write this thought at pagans in general"
as there are only two of us on this Forum and we follow vastly different paths. I am the only one who recognises pagan deities.
You can call my deities whatever you like. Call them Chalk and Cheese, Mutt and Jeff, Sassy and Hope for all I care - it matters not one iota to me - the same comment, however, needs to be applied, by you, to the deities of Christianity and all other religions.
I can just imagine the kind of response you would get when telling Ad_O that his god is imaginary!
I have said before but will say it again, my deities are as real to me as are my hands and feet and are as useful. What my deities are to you is no matter to me, only to you.
You don't like it that way - tough! It works for me.
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I will ignore thei as there are only two of us on this Forum and we follow vastly different paths. I am the only one who recognises pagan deities.
You can call my deities whatever you like. Call them Chalk and Cheese, Mutt and Jeff, Sassy and Hope for all I care - it matters not one iota to me - the same comment, however, needs to be applied, by you, to the deities of Christianity and all other religions.
I can just imagine the kind of response you would get when telling Ad_O that his god is imaginary!
I have said before but will say it again, my deities are as real to me as are my hands and feet and are as useful. What my deities are to you is no matter to me, only to you.
You don't like it that way - tough! It works for me.
While I disagree with the whole imaginary idea, see earlier posts, Susan has and does apply that comment to all gods.
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While I disagree with the whole imaginary idea, see earlier posts, Susan has and does apply that comment to all gods.
No problem then!
I have, on here, rather got used to almost all comments with regard to my deities and my beliefs being by way of someone taking the piss no matter how the comment is couched.
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Is it really true, there are only TWO pagans on this forum? Off the top I can count four of them. Or was somebody not thinking before they posted, yet again?
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Is it really true, there are only TWO pagans on this forum? Off the top I can count four of them. Or was somebody not thinking before they posted, yet again?
I think it means there are only 2 known currently posting with any frequency.
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Is it really true, there are only TWO pagans on this forum? Off the top I can count four of them. Or was somebody not thinking before they posted, yet again?
Owlswing and Rhiannon post very regularly; there's also horsethorn but he's not posting at present (unfortunately). Can't immediately call to mind any others.
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Your missing one that I know of. Keeping thinking Shaker.
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Your missing one that I know of. Keeping thinking Shaker.
Nope - that's the only three I know of.
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Well, that is true, and it is true you are missing one. Keep thinking.
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Well, that is true, and it is true you are missing one. Keep thinking.
You seem to be having inordinate difficulty with written English today, even more so than usual.
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Well, that is true, and it is true you are missing one. Keep thinking.
Oh it's you being coy. You playful little scamp.
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You seem to be having inordinate difficulty with written English today, even more so than usual.
If there is a fourth I cannot see any posts to the Pagan Topic and have never seen anyone else stick their neck out and claim to be Pagan anywhere else!
MR/MRS/MISS/MS 4th Pagan please identify yourself.
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I'm going to wait and see if she reads this and clues you two in.
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Well that narrows it down to a Mrs, Miss or Ms. Any ideas, Owly?
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Well that narrows it down to a Mrs, Miss or Ms. Any ideas, Owly?
No! And considering who you are answering, it is probably just another wind-up due to a serious misinterpretation of exctly what a Pagan is or is not.
Forget it, I can't be bothered play silly games.
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Good point.
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The last two pagans to post aside from ht, Owlswing and myself are Angry Keltoi and The Stranger. Neither have posted for a couple of years or thereabouts, sadly.
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The last two pagans to post aside from ht, Owlswing and myself are Angry Keltoi and The Stranger. Neither have posted for a couple of years or thereabouts, sadly.
Well canoe is pretending to know of a fourth.
But then, right from the beginning it occurred to me (as it did to Owlswing) that if canoe was capable of naming names, it would be somebody who isn't in fact a pagan at all, given that his knowledge of the subject could be written on a gnat's toenails with room to spare for the Gettysburg Address and Eskimo Nell.
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No, he's an expert. He's watched at least ten YouTube videos on the subject. ::)
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No, he's an expert. He's watched at least ten YouTube videos on the subject. ::)
Some of them with the sound on
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It is similar to other artifacts - later ones, found at sites known to be places of pagan worship.
Pagan worship of your gods? Can you demonstrate an unbroken chain?
Let's face it, if the description is properly applied ALL religions prior to the arrival of Christianity (not Christ - he was a Jew - Christianity) were pagan. Regardless of how far back, any deity dated prior to about 100CE was pagan and pre-dates Christianity.
Do you have any evidence that the gods of your religion date that far back?
Christians can wriggle and squirm and argue definitions but it does not change the fact that pagan deities pre-date the johnny-come-lately Christianity.
But not necessarily your pagan deities.
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Pagan worship of your gods? Can you demonstrate an unbroken chain?
Do you have any evidence that the gods of your religion date that far back?
But not necessarily your pagan deities.
When you can come up with arguments against the antiquity of Pagan belief and deities that have been done to death a hundred times over to people who just will not listen because to do so would expose the comical lack of any iota of solid evidence for their belief in the Creation, the Flood and the Resurrection other than the Book of Chinese Whispers. When you do come up with such evidence I might, I only say might, bother responding.
After all, if you cannot produce evidence for your beliefs, why the Devil should I be required to do likewise.
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When you can come up with arguments against the antiquity of Pagan belief and deities that have been done to death a hundred times over to people who just will not listen because to do so would expose the comical lack of any iota of solid evidence for their belief in the Creation, the Flood and the Resurrection other than the Book of Chinese Whispers. When you do come up with such evidence I might, I only say might, bother responding.
After all, if you cannot produce evidence for your beliefs, why the Devil should I be required to do likewise.
What beliefs does jeremyp have? Again I would suggest you deal with the questions to you rather than try erroneous tu quoques, this being at least the second time in a day.
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What beliefs does jeremyp have? Again I would suggest you deal with the questions to you rather than try erroneous tu quoques, this being at least the second time in a day.
I have explained my beliefs before - if Jeremy can't be bothered to read what I posted - his problem not mine! I am fed up with answering the same questions again and again as people hope that I am going to contradict myself.
And W T F is "tu quiques" - I speak English - I suggest that you do the same rather than using a dead language in order to boost your ego at the cost of mine; me who did Latin in First Year at Grammar School in 1957 and thge only bit I can remeber is quite aposite to many posters on this forum - Non illigitamus carborundum
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Do you have any evidence that the gods of your religion date that far back?
But not necessarily your pagan deities.
http://www.sciencecodex.com/new_discoveries_at_the_ash_altar_of_zeus_mount_lykaion
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I have explained my beliefs before - if Jeremy can't be bothered to read what I posted - his problem not mine! I am fed up with answering the same questions again and again as people hope that I am going to contradict myself.
And W T F is "tu quiques" - I speak English - I suggest that you do the same rather than using a dead language in order to boost your ego at the cost of mine; me who did Latin in First Year at Grammar School in 1957 and thge only bit I can remeber is quite aposite to many posters on this forum - Non illigitamus carborundum
Didn't ask about your beliefs, but about jeremyp's as you challenged them and made assumptions about them
Apologies, it should be tu quoque as in
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque
Typos are a killer.
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Didn't ask about your beliefs, but about jeremyp's as you challenged them and made assumptions about them
Apologies, it should be tu quoque as in
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque
Typos are a killer.
You were referring back to a post by JeremyP, or so I thought, which I have answered above!
JeremyP is, apparently Christian and they will not allow that paganism pre-dated it.
Zeius was at least a couple of thousand years pre-Christ - hence Christ's followers are the Johnny-come-lately's.
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Jeremyp isn't a Christian, which is why I asked. Just as with Susan Doris, and with the misrepresenting of my views on the incest thread, you react to things that are not with no justification. Stop reading what you think people are saying and just deal with what they ate.
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Stop reading what you think people are saying and just deal with what they ate.
I can't quite digest what you mean?
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I can't quite digest what you mean?
Perhaps I bit off more than I could eschew there.
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Perhaps I bit off more than I could eschew there.
At least you have got the guts to admit it.
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When you can come up with arguments against the antiquity of Pagan belief
I do not dispute that there were pagan beliefs back as far as you say they were, but "pagan" in this sense is a rather catch-all term for all religions other than the Abrahamic ones. If you think the pagan deities that you follow are anything like the ones that Roman pagans or Greek pagans followed, or even the druids, you are sorely mistaken.
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Jeremyp isn't a Christian, which is why I asked. Just as with Susan Doris, and with the misrepresenting of my views on the incest thread, you react to things that are not with no justification. Stop reading what you think people are saying and just deal with what they ate.
OK - back to Square one - just what DOES JP want from me and, more importantly, why does he want it?
I read the tone of his questions and comments as mocking me and my beliefs. Again why?
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If you think the pagan deities that you follow are anything like the ones that Roman pagans or Greek pagans followed, or even the druids, you are sorely mistaken.
Why do you say this?
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OK - back to Square one - just what DOES JP want from me and, more importantly, why does he want it?
I read the tone of his questions and comments as mocking me and my beliefs. Again why?
What does your reading of Jeremyp's tone relate to your misreading of his beliefs?
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Why do you say this?
Because it's true.
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Because it's true.
Details, please.
I'm pagan and I'm wrong - You are not and you are right?
I said you just wanted to take the piss!
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Details, please.
I'm pagan and I'm wrong - You are not and you are right?
I said you just wanted to take the piss!
Since all gods, deities, spirits, ideas of gods, deities, etc are human ideas only, those who believe some 'modern' ones are the same as 'ancient' ones need to provide the evidence of any of them ever actually existing, don't they?
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Since all gods, deities, spirits, ideas of gods, deities, etc are human ideas only, those who believe some 'modern' ones are the same as 'ancient' ones need to provide the evidence of any of them ever actually existing, don't they?
I think when it comes to paganism it's more a question of proving an unbroken line of belief between what our forebears believed and what modern pagans believe. Not easy as these were largely oral traditions.
What we do know is that there was a reverence for the Goddess in ancient times. Many modern pagans take their goddesses to be aspects of this single goddess (Great Goddess) along with the gods being aspects of the Great God.
For me terms like 'believe in' don't really work with paganism. It's an experiential path. I've experienced the Goddess and the God; I've concluded that these experiences arise from my subconscious and my imagination. But I understand that they seem real, because experiences are real.And I feel no need to take Owlswing to task for him experiencing his deities as real any more than I do Gonnagle for his. It's only when I get judged for not having the same beliefs or others seek to use their beliefs to interfere in my life that I have a problem.
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Since all gods, deities, spirits, ideas of gods, deities, etc are human ideas only, those who believe some 'modern' ones are the same as 'ancient' ones need to provide the evidence of any of them ever actually existing, don't they?
Actually they don't, Susan, as far as they are concerned. They are simply happy to believe in them without any testable evidence of the truth of their existence.
That is what is so difficult for us atheists to understand.
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Because it's true.
Its the Athiest one true wayism again !
The " my way, is the only way " ::)
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I do not dispute that there were pagan beliefs back as far as you say they were, but "pagan" in this sense is a rather catch-all term for all religions other than the Abrahamic ones. If you think the pagan deities that you follow are anything like the ones that Roman pagans or Greek pagans followed, or even the druids, you are sorely mistaken.
No I don't think they are.
What is uncertain is if they follow them in the same way.
Thor of the myths is still Thor.
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Details, please.
I'm pagan and I'm wrong - You are not and you are right?
I said you just wanted to take the piss!
I'm taking him to mean that modern paganism is based on a mix of attempted reconstruction and reimagining. We can't claim to know for certain that the way we think of our deities is the same as how our forebears did. But then I'm not sure what is meant by 'same' here anyway. By name? By nature? By worship? Do Christians today believe in the same God as that of a thousand years' ago? Same book, same name, but same God?
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I'm taking him to mean that modern paganism is based on a mix of attempted reconstruction and reimagining. We can't claim to know for certain that the way we think of our deities is the same as how our forebears did. But then I'm not sure what is meant by 'same' here anyway. By name? By nature? By worship? Do Christians today believe in the same God as that of a thousand years' ago? Same book, same name, but same God?
It's surely not even clear that all Christians worship the same god now? If we take the claim of gods in the 'true for me' approach, it is incorrect of Owlswing to argue consistency or thread through the ages for whatever he believes. Further once you go down that route then it becomes impossible to separate the Abrahamic religions since they are just on the whole continuum of gods.
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It's surely not even clear that all Christians worship the same god now? If we take the claim of gods in the 'true for me' approach, it is incorrect of Owlswing to argue consistency or thread through the ages for whatever he believes. Further once you go down that route then it becomes impossible to separate the Abrahamic religions since they are just on the whole continuum of gods.
Agree completely. What is this 'same God' except the imaginings of individual believers?
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Agree completely. What is this 'same God' except the imaginings of individual believers?
To me, this is where I find Gonnagle's approach worthwhile. If take the approach that gods are reflective of some widespread instinct, and that the individual's expression of that instinct is a specific reflection of that individual, then we could widen the 'church' to include some non theists. The problem is that we tend to claim external truths and think that we can overleap the problem of hard solipsim.
But perhaps I am just being pedantic ;)
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In which case I shall join you in your pedantry.
Please don't widen any 'church' to include me though. I would not be happy.
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I'm taking him to mean that modern paganism is based on a mix of attempted reconstruction and reimagining. We can't claim to know for certain that the way we think of our deities is the same as how our forebears did. But then I'm not sure what is meant by 'same' here anyway. By name? By nature? By worship? Do Christians today believe in the same God as that of a thousand years' ago? Same book, same name, but same God?
I agree with you that our beliefs are the best that we can have because, one, as you say, there is very little written evidence of how our ancestors performed their rituals and/or what was said or done during them. I do however takie issue with the bald statement that "they are wrong".
As you have pointed out a lot of modern pagan belief is from personal experiences, which is, of course, why it is such an individual path. We see our experiences in the light of the myths and legends of antiquity, not only because of the lack of written evidence, but because an awful lot of the father-to-son verbal history was wiped out by the imposition of Chritianity which is, of course, the reason why some of the written evidence from the pagan history in the period immediately prior to the coming of Christianity disappeared, destroyed as being heretical/diabolical.
It is however interesting that in some of the oldest Christian churches in the UK, you can find, if you know where to look, images of both the Green Man/the Foliate face and the Sheela-na-gig placed there by the builders of those churches, especially where those churches were built on previously pagan meeting places.
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It's surely not even clear that all Christians worship the same god now? If we take the claim of gods in the 'true for me' approach, it is incorrect of Owlswing to argue consistency or thread through the ages for whatever he believes. Further once you go down that route then it becomes impossible to separate the Abrahamic religions since they are just on the whole continuum of gods.
I have never argued consistency or thread through the ages
for my beliefs.
As stated before, due to the depredations, by murder of believers and the wholsale destruction of pagan constructions and artifacts, it is impossible to claim such continuity - hence the long-running and unsolved problem of why Stonehenge was built - and now Christains use the results of their actions to claim that our gods are modern constructs and some atheists (and probably, if they exist, some of Vlad's antitheits) are jumping on the band-wagon.
We do the best with what we have - the reconstructionists are some of the most dilligent history delvers around and are finding more and more morsels that bring us gradually closer to the original. I wish them well, but I also think that I am not going to live long enough for them to overcome the obstructions placed in their way over the last two thousand years.
All this boils down to I do not give a single solitary damn WHAT people who are not of my belief think of my beliefs, they can have their "holier than thou", "my way is the only TRUE way", they will not make me feel that my beliefs are wrong, nor change my belief that they can believe what the fuck they like if it makes them happy.
Unfortunately I find many Christians are far from happy that their beliefs are treated with the same ridicule as that with which they treat the beliefs of others, seemingly expecting unquestioning acceptance of Christainity's supremacy as a divine right.
Question - why do I NEED to justify my beliefs to anyone? Show me the details of the last war that was fought in the name of Thor, Herne, or Loki! I can show you one going on right now in the names of Jesus Christ and his father and of Allah!
Let's face it the belt buckle of the Nazi SS bore the words "GOTT MIT UNS".
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Details, please.
I'm pagan and I'm wrong - You are not and you are right?
Your inability to present any documentary evidence that the gods you follow today have anything to do with any gods from the pre-Christian era speaks for itself.
In fact, modern paganism is largely an invention of the Victorians. There may be fragmentary traditions going back as far as the Saxons, but that's about it.
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Your inability to present any documentary evidence that the gods you follow today have anything to do with any gods from the pre-Christian era speaks for itself.
In fact, modern paganism is largely an invention of the Victorians. There may be fragmentary traditions going back as far as the Saxons, but that's about it.
Jeremy P
By what right do you require that I justify my beliefs to you?
NS, in his post, mentions that If we take the claim of gods in the 'true for me' approach, it is incorrect of Owlswing to argue consistency or thread through the ages for whatever he believes
but I have never claimed "consistency or thread through the ages" for what I believe; "what is true for me" does not mean that it is true for anyone else in the way that you, JP, are seeming to claim that your belief is right and mine wrong.
I do NOT claim that my belief is any more right than that of a devout Christian, whereas the devout Christian, and the devout Muslim, and the devout atheist insist that their way is right for everyone.
If you cannot accept this, tough, I am not going to doubt my belief just because of your sayso! And I do not have any reason to justify my beliefs to you and, equally, you have no right to demand that I do so in order to boost your ego so you can dance round the room in triumph!
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Jeremy P
By what right do you require that I justify my beliefs to you?
I'm not asking you to justify your beliefs to me. I don't give a toss about your beliefs. I'm merely pointing out that your assertion way back in this thread that your gods predate the Christian one was incorrect.
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I'm not asking you to justify your beliefs to me. I don't give a toss about your beliefs. I'm merely pointing out that your assertion way back in this thread that your gods predate the Christian one was incorrect.
Zeus was worshipped in 3,000 BC - you are wrong!
My gods predate Christianity - thanks to Christianity's murderous way with those who disagreed with or rejected it we have to worship them in a DIFFERENT way - this does not change the gods and goddesses themselves - you are wrong.
Now be man enough to admit it!
END OF!
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Zeus was worshipped in 3,000 BC - you are wrong!
END OF!
Is Zeus one of your gods?
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Is Zeus one of your gods?
Yes!
Red the above and shut up! You are beginning to sound like another poster who seems to have a personal vendetta against pagans.
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Yes!
Red the above and shut up! You are beginning to sound like another poster who seems to have a personal vendetta against pagans.
So you basically claim for yourself any god that was ever part of any non Abrahamic religion.
Bullshit.
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So you basically claim for yourself any god that was ever part of any non Abrahamic religion.
Bullshit.
No, modern pagans will often follow deities from a mix of pantheons, or choose an ancient pantheon to work with. There's no reason at all to believe Owlswing on this one.
In fact this mixing of deities from different places has always been going on. There's archaeological evidence for it in abundance in this country from the Romano-British period, and much of the Christian church's understanding of Jesus Christ originated in the mind of a Hellenised Jew.
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No, modern pagans will often follow deities from a mix of pantheons, or choose an ancient pantheon to work with. There's no reason at all to believe Owlswing on this one.
In fact this mixing of deities from different places has always been going on. There's archaeological evidence for it in abundance in this country from the Romano-British period, and much of the Christian church's understanding of Jesus Christ originated in the mind of a Hellenised Jew.
I truly hope that you meant to say "There's no reason at all to NOT believe Owlswing on this one."
Thanks for the back-up.
JeremyP seems to be another who thinks all about paganism, when, in fact, he knows fuck all about paganism.
As I said, as far as I am concerned my conversation with him on this is, under the present circumstances and with his present attitude of "I know it all and you know nothing" over.
I am just glad that your path is what it is or you, probably, would also be on the wrong end of his ignorance and arrogance.
Do you have any idea who JC's fourth Pagan is? He seems to be implying that she is posting currently.
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Howdy-do Matty,
Actually I count five pagans now. The last one that comes to mind is a guy. You do know what a pagan religion is don't you?
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Hello and good day to the goats/hell bound club.Two scriptures for you.
11 Then I was told, “You must prophesy again about many peoples, nations, languages and kings.”
A scripture about you goats and also this quite interesting 2 But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. this is you the outer court.
They will trample on the holy city for 42 months. The Holy City is symbolic of Gods people,and the 42 months better if you do not know.
Meanwhile talk among yourselves,just remember you are another day near your day.I hope{not to much} you enjoy my post,salvation out of reach for most of you,but at least you can cross your fingers and hope evolution is true. :)
~TW~
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Hello and good day to the goats/hell bound club.Two scriptures for you.
11 Then I was told, “You must prophesy again about many peoples, nations, languages and kings.”
A scripture about you goats and also this quite interesting 2 But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. this is you the outer court.
They will trample on the holy city for 42 months. The Holy City is symbolic of Gods people,and the 42 months better if you do not know.
Meanwhile talk among yourselves,just remember you are another day near your day.I hope{not to much} you enjoy my post,salvation out of reach for most of you,but at least you can cross your fingers and hope evolution is true. :)
~TW~
Yawn!
At least we have one person that we know, without a shadow of a doubt, is not the fourth or fifth Pagan!
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I truly hope that you meant to say "There's no reason at all to NOT believe Owlswing on this one."
Thanks for the back-up.
JeremyP seems to be another who thinks all about paganism, when, in fact, he knows fuck all about paganism.
As I said, as far as I am concerned my conversation with him on this is, under the present circumstances and with his present attitude of "I know it all and you know nothing" over.
I am just glad that your path is what it is or you, probably, would also be on the wrong end of his ignorance and arrogance.
Do you have any idea who JC's fourth Pagan is? He seems to be implying that she is posting currently.
See #234 - JC clearly is stating that anyone posting here who is not Christian, Jewish or Muslim is a pagan!
Whilst I have posted that at the time of Christianty's beginning all other religions were classified as pagan I would consider that over the last 2,000 years things have changed and although the case, may still apply I would doubt if Hindus, Sikhs etc would consider themselves pagan, though I do have one aquaintence who is Sikh and is quite happy to be so classified if it distances him from Christianity.
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Matty,
So you go for that creation story in Greek mythology? How about Zeus' father eating all his babies but Zeus and then puking them out as adults?
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Howdy-do Matty,
Actually I count five pagans now. The last one that comes to mind is a guy. You do know what a pagan religion is don't you?
He has a vastly better idea than you ever will.
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See #234 - JC clearly is stating that anyone posting here who is not Christian, Jewish or Muslim is a pagan!
Whilst I have posted that at the time of Christianty's beginning all other religions were classified as pagan I would consider that over the last 2,000 years things have changed and although the case, may still apply I would doubt if Hindus, Sikhs etc would consider themselves pagan, though I do have one aquaintence who is Sikh and is quite happy to be so classified if it distances him from Christianity.
there are more than 5 atheists posting so how does his statement in 234 cover anyone who isn't Jewish, Christian or Muslim?
To help out though my guess is that the 4th poster is Gabriella - I doubt JC regards Muslims as anything other than pagan moon worshippers and, the newly anointed fifth is Sriram.
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Howdy-do Matty,
Actually I count five pagans now. The last one that comes to mind is a guy. You do know what a pagan religion is don't you?
Rhiannon
Owlswing
horsethorn
And shaker? :o
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There are more than 5 atheists posting so how does his statement in 234 cover anyone who isn't Jewish, Christian or Muslim?
Please NS, do not try to be less intelligent than you really are. Atheism, to my mind anyway, never has been and never will be, a religion. Judaism, Chritianity and Islam are.
To help out though my guess is that the 4th poster is Gabriella - I doubt JC regards Muslims as anything other than pagan moon worshippers and, the newly anointed fifth is Sriram.
Gabriella, as a Muslim is, by the definition given, not a pagan and would not be to anyone that I can think of. Not even JC (I hope).
Sririam, hmm, I am not sure what Sririams's religion is, but as he may be Hindu or Sikh, JC may classify him as pagan but I would rather get Sririam's views on the subject. I am sure that I have read somewhere that Sikhism began in (about) the 15th century so would not be included in those classified as being religions in existence at the commencement of the Christian era and therefore probably not strictly classified as pagan, despite my friend's comment on the subject.
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Rhiannon
Owlswing
horsethorn
And shaker? :o
Shaker isn't one.
I really wish people would stop feeding this clown with the attention he craves.
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Rhiannon
Owlswing
horsethorn
And shaker? :o
Shaker has posted an interest in the details of pagan belief but has denied that he IS a pagan. I tend to believe him.
JC is playing games.
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Shaker has posted an interest in the details of pagan belief but has denied that he IS a pagan. I tend to believe him.
No question that I'm very interested in the subject and have been for many years; furthermore, that I'm sympathetic to it and if for any reason I had to choose a religion, would go in that direction. I just don't see that I do anything that would class me as one, that's all.
JC is playing games.
Indeed.
He's certainly not here for the conversation.
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Please NS, do not try to be less intelligent than you really are. Atheism, to my mind anyway, never has been and never will be, a religion. Judaism, Chritianity and Islam are.
Gabriella, as a Muslim is, by the definition given, not a pagan and would not be to anyone that I can think of. Not even JC (I hope).
Sririam, hmm, I am not sure what Sririams's religion is, but as he may be Hindu or Sikh, JC may classify him as pagan but I would rather get Sririam's views on the subject. I am sure that I have read somewhere that Sikhism began in (about) the 15th century so would not be included in those classified as being religions in existence at the commencement of the Christian era and therefore probably not strictly classified as pagan, despite my friend's comment on the subject.
If you classify people who are not Muslim, Jewish of Christian as pagan, then that includes atheists. It's just my pedantry showing. And on your qualification of your classification, where are you putting Buddhists?
Whether Sriram is a Sikh or Hindu is surely irrelevant, by your classification, he's pagan and I suspect by JCs.
I am sure that you wouldn't classify Gabriella's as a pagan but I am guessing by JCs view which is what we are talking about, she is.
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Hello and good day to the goats/hell bound club.
Not me, I'm definitely going to heaven
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If you classify people who are not Muslim, Jewish of Christian as pagan, then that includes atheists. It's just my pedantry showing. And on your qualification of your classification, where are you putting Buddhists?
Whether Sriram is a Sikh or Hindu is surely irrelevant, by your classification, he's pagan and I suspect by JCs.
I am sure that you wouldn't classify Gabriella's as a pagan but I am guessing by JCs view which is what we are talking about, she is.
You keep your pedantry and I will keep my lack of it.
I have said, and I stand by it, that I consider ONLY religions that existed at the inception of Christianity to be classified as pagan., but this is, in the end, only my definition.
If religions that have come into being since Christianity's incept choose to define themselves as pagan religions then that is their choice, but I have yet to see any post-chritianity's inception religion that has so defined themselves.
Atheism is not, so far as I am aware, a religion and, even if it were, it cannot claim to be pagan by my definition stated above - what you call it is up to you.
Buddhism - see http://www.buddhanet.net/nutshell03.htm
Buddhism in a Nutshell
Is it a religion?
It is neither a religion in the sense in which that word is commonly understood, for it is not "a system of faith and worship owing any allegiance to a supernatural being."
This article is well worth a serious read.
Therefore 'no' Buddhism is not a pagan religion or any other religious classification.
I would say however that, as practices in Australia, Buddyism is very definitely a religion, a religion whose God is BEER! Beer in any shape or form but preferrably lager and in abso-bloody-lutely vast quantities. It is, in all probablily, the most ardently followed religion anywhere in the world.
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Not me, I'm definitely going to heaven
Baaaaa!
Sorry - wrong post!
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Hello and good day to the goats/hell bound club.
~TW~
Baaaaaa!
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No, modern pagans will often follow deities from a mix of pantheons, or choose an ancient pantheon to work with. There's no reason at all to believe Owlswing on this one.
But you don't know anything about those ancient pantheons. There's no tradition going back to those times that you can point to.
In fact this mixing of deities from different places has always been going on. There's archaeological evidence for it in abundance in this country from the Romano-British period, and much of the Christian church's understanding of Jesus Christ originated in the mind of a Hellenised Jew.
I agree with all of that. Christianity itself is a syncretism of Greek Mystery religions with the Judaic religion.
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JeremyP seems to be another who thinks all about paganism, when, in fact, he knows fuck all about paganism.
Everybody knows "fuck all" about paganism as practised around the first century CE except for the obvious Greco-Roman and Egyptian pantheons. Pretty much everything else is lost because their practitioners didn't write things down.
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Everybody knows "fuck all" about paganism as practised around the first century CE except for the obvious Greco-Roman and Egyptian pantheons. Pretty much everything else is lost because their practitioners didn't write things down.
I'd argue that even for the 'obvious' it's not that clear.
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But you don't know anything about those ancient pantheons. There's no tradition going back to those times that you can point to.
We can read you know! We just go to any library, I go to the British Library and can read all about "thise ancient pantheons".
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Everybody knows "fuck all" about paganism as practised around the first century CE except for the obvious Greco-Roman and Egyptian pantheons. Pretty much everything else is lost because their practitioners didn't write things down.
No they built temples with statues of the Gods and Goddesses and friezes showing their rituals etc.
Your protestations about our (Rhi's and my) ignorance of the history our religious beliefs only go to demontrate that your ignorance of the subject exceeds our by several powers of magnitude.
But please keep posting. I need the laughs.
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No they built temples with statues of the Gods and Goddesses and friezes showing their rituals etc.
But you don't know what they really believed, do you.
Your protestations about our (Rhi's and my) ignorance of the history our religious beliefs only go to demontrate that your ignorance of the subject exceeds our by several powers of magnitude.
No, I think your inability to confront the fact that our knowledge of these pagan beliefs is fragmentary at best is a symptom of your failure to deal with reality.
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But you don't know what they really believed, do you.
No, I think your inability to confront the fact that our knowledge of these pagan beliefs is fragmentary at best is a symptom of your failure to deal with reality.
Reality?
JeremyP whose reality? Yours?
We don't need to accept yours, we can go out and find out for ourselves.
Your knowledge is fragmentary, it doesn't mean others can't have found out or studied things you haven't.
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These are interesting
http://sagadb.org
http://www.maryjones.us/ctexts/index_classical.html
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Reality?
JeremyP whose reality? Yours?
We don't need to accept yours, we can go out and find out for ourselves.
Your knowledge is fragmentary, it doesn't mean others can't have found out or studied things you haven't.
Rose
Quote - We don't need to accept yours, we can go out and find out for ourselves. - Unquote
An interesting statement, "we", are you, by any chance, Johnny Canoe's fourth pagan? Or are you just someone interested in history.
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These are interesting
http://sagadb.org
http://www.maryjones.us/ctexts/index_classical.html
Thanks for these - I shall add them to my reading list.
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Interesting programme last night looking at how Stonehenge has been interpretted over the generations, often in ways to reflect the favoured theme of the person doing the interpretation. Funny to see the old clips where people said 'we now know ....' for things which we now say aren't correct, or at least aren't likely.
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Rose
Quote - We don't need to accept yours, we can go out and find out for ourselves. - Unquote
An interesting statement, "we", are you, by any chance, Johnny Canoe's fourth pagan? Or are you just someone interested in history.
Just someone who is interested.
The "we" meant anyone who doesn't share the same reality as JeremyP. ;)
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How very indicative! T&W are the first two letters of TWADDLE. ;D
And Leonard James is an anagram of "lemonade jars".
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And Leonard James is an anagram of "lemonade jars".
This is a good game can anyone play?
.. Alien is an anagram of 'I lean'.
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This is a good game can anyone play?
.. Alien is an anagram of 'I lean'.
Bonsai Tea Set
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Erm ... K hears.
Sorry, best I can do :-[
Or H. K. Arse :D
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I just put my username through an anagram generator but as the only one that makes sense is a bit rude I'm not repeating it.
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I just put my username through an anagram generator but as the only one that makes sense is a bit rude I'm not repeating it.
Oh go on! I can't imagine you could get anything rude out of those letters ???
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This is a good game can anyone play?
.. Alien is an anagram of 'I lean'.
The one I think is clever - Terry Pratchett is an anagram of Three Tart Crypt. However, I hasten to add that, as a TP fan, this is no way disrespectful!
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Rose is either sore or roes.
:o
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Also Eros, although if it's like Scrabble you can't have proper names! :)
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Also Eros, although if it's like Scrabble you can't have proper names! :)
Cupid
By another name ;D
💘
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Also ores
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Well once again time to check the goats/hell bound club you must all be very happy to know that you wont be going to heaven :) hardened hearts is the problem.
are you banking on evolution to be true,and yet we no sign of it,no sign of life elsewhere,and you worship your idols and x sperts and what do you have a world in trouble and you abandoned by God.
I suppose it is good you don't need to worry about an alien invasion,because taking one look at you lot :o it would be exterminate,exterminate.
But alas for you it is woe woe woe as the Lord has you in his sights.
Have fun ~TW~
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Well once again time to check the goats/hell bound club you must all be very happy to know that you wont be going to heaven :) hardened hearts is the problem.
are you banking on evolution to be true,and yet we no sign of it,no sign of life elsewhere,and you worship your idols and x sperts and what do you have a world in trouble and you abandoned by God.
I suppose it is good you don't need to worry about an alien invasion,because taking one look at you lot :o it would be exterminate,exterminate.
But alas for you it is woe woe woe as the Lord has you in his sights.
Have fun ~TW~
We are having fun TW, your posts are good for a giggle! ;D
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Well once again time to check the goats/hell bound club you must all be very happy to know that you wont be going to heaven :) hardened hearts is the problem.
are you banking on evolution to be true,and yet we no sign of it,no sign of life elsewhere,and you worship your idols and x sperts and what do you have a world in trouble and you abandoned by God.
I suppose it is good you don't need to worry about an alien invasion,because taking one look at you lot :o it would be exterminate,exterminate.
But alas for you it is woe woe woe as the Lord has you in his sights.
Have fun ~TW~
I would think you are more likely to end up in a padded cell.
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I would think you are more likely to end up in a padded cell.
Are you totally, 100.00%, sure that he is not actually posting from one now?
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Are you totally, 100.00%, sure that he is not actually posting from one now?
No not really.
I perhaps wrongly assumed they would not be allowed access to tinternet.
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With God clearly using Satan {scriptures can be provided} to bring Judgement on the world as we run up to the last day,in the form of Death,sickness,famine,wars,also hardening the hearts of un-believers,the day of Grace fading the prospect of knowing you have been used by Satan and he loves his victims of un-belief and also hates you all his servants very much.
Eternity with him will not be much fun,and your chances of escaping hell are very,very low.How do you victims feel about that. 8) That you have fallen for Satan's scam.
Only a true satanist would say this!! ::)
As for death,sickness,famine and wars if you had been reading the medieval news the 'last day' would have been a very long time ago!
Strange how all you fundies think every century is end of days and sad to think of how bad your miserable lives must be to be looking forward to it! :(
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Only a true satanist would say this!! ::)
As for death,sickness,famine and wars if you had been reading the medieval news the 'last day' would have been a very long time ago!
Strange how all you fundies think every century is end of days and sad to think of how bad your miserable lives must be to be looking forward to it! :(
Two thousand years hence no doubt some fundies will still be getting off on the idea of people condemned to hell, in the way TW does, if religion is still practised then!
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I don't think every century is "end of days" Too funny you Obe
"...how bad your miserable lives must be..." No Obe, I see yours as bad and miserable. So now what? (snork)
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No not really.
I perhaps wrongly assumed they would not be allowed access to tinternet.
If they thought that it was a calming and therapeutic tool they might do so.
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Strange how all you fundies think every century is the end of days and sad to think of how bad your miserable lives must be to be looking forward to it! :(
I hate to disagree with you, but I would say that all Christians, but especially the Fundamentalists, would look forward to the End of Days in joyous expectation. Expectation of being taken from this sinful world, to watch all non-believers shovelled into the fiery pits of Hell where Satan will dispense God's punishment for their lack of faith and obedience, and for the to be welcomed in Paradise for Eternity for their total faith.
Their lives will only be miserable if, at the End of Days, they find that they have been following the wrong God all the time.
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Well once again time to check the goats/hell bound club you must all be very happy to know that you wont be going to heaven :) hardened hearts is the problem.
are you banking on evolution to be true,and yet we no sign of it,no sign of life elsewhere,and you worship your idols and x sperts and what do you have a world in trouble and you abandoned by God.
I suppose it is good you don't need to worry about an alien invasion,because taking one look at you lot :o it would be exterminate,exterminate.
But alas for you it is woe woe woe as the Lord has you in his sights.
Have fun ~TW~
if hardened hearts is the problem, yours tops the list TW
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if hardened hearts is the problem, yours tops the list TW
If he has one
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Just a quick reply to those who are doomed and fully paid up members of the hell bound club.Scripture often tells us about the actions of the Lord and you people are not up to a fair discussion you are simply blinkered in all departments,but as stated the last laugh belongs to the Lord you all have to approach the last day and as you slobber over your beer at the physic meeting at your local pub well have a reading Hebrews 9:27King James Version (KJV)
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
~TW~
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. . . you people are not up to a fair discussion you are simply blinkered in all departments . . .
~TW~
This is brilliant coming from someone who is blinkered blindfolded wearing dark glasses and is locked eternally in an unlit coal cellar.
All this and he also has absolutely no idea of what is happening outside his self-bult imaginary world run by the contents of a bogus rule-book of highly dubious origin.
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This is brilliant coming from someone who is blinkered blindfolded wearing dark glasses and is locked eternally in an unlit coal cellar.
All this and he also has absolutely no idea of what is happening outside his self-bult imaginary world run by the contents of a bogus rule-book of highly dubious origin.
Yes it is brilliant considering the Christian faith is growing worldwide and puzzling also when I see although twirps like you deny the existence of a superior intelligence which you search for daily with space probes,you also have a category on this site for prayers which is madness considering the myth most of you spread of there is no God.
Completly brain dead in all departments. 8)
~TW~
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Yes it is brilliant considering the Christian faith is growing worldwide and puzzling also when I see although twirps like you deny the existence of a superior intelligence which you search for daily with space probes,you also have a category on this site for prayers which is madness considering the myth most of you spread of there is no God.
Completly brain dead in all departments. 8)
~TW~
TW was looking in the mirror when making that statement! ;D
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Yes it is brilliant considering the Christian faith is growing worldwide
So are Islam and atheism - it's almost like the world's population is growing!
...and puzzling also when I see although twirps like you deny the existence of a superior intelligence which you search for daily with space probes
You are confusing a specific claim of an example of superior intelligence with the general concept of superior intelligence, and then are confusing the search for signs of extra-terrestrial life with the search for superior intelligence. Two for the price of dumb, as it were.
...you also have a category on this site for prayers which is madness considering the myth most of you spread of there is no God.
That's because we accommodate people, we're nice like that. Must be our rigorous indoctrination into Christian ethics, right?
Completly brain dead in all departments. 8)
You must have skipped that indoctrination bit... never mind, I'm sure they'll let you in anyway.
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Erm ... K hears.
Sorry, best I can do :-[
Or H. K. Arse :D
Ark She...
Shark E with an attitude. Ask Her..
Just a few more ideas....
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So are Islam and atheism - it's almost like the world's population is growing!
You are confusing a specific claim of an example of superior intelligence with the general concept of superior intelligence, and then are confusing the search for signs of extra-terrestrial life with the search for superior intelligence. Two for the price of dumb, as it were.
That's because we accommodate people, we're nice like that. Must be our rigorous indoctrination into Christian ethics, right?
You must have skipped that indoctrination bit... never mind, I'm sure they'll let you in anyway.
O.
You are so far gone ----not worth the bother stick with your tea-leaves in the cup.
~TW~
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Ark She...
Shark E with an attitude. Ask Her..
Just a few more ideas....
How's things Sassy, you're cutting your assertions to the bone these days?
Proves you do know what an assertion is.
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TW you are doing yourself and your 'faith' no favours at all. It is as if you are determined to put it in the worst possible light! ::)
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So with hell looming is it a case of fiddle while Rome burns :) how about you clowns sorry to put it so crude but it is true,how about one of you clowns producing a thread with facts for evolution,and allow me to tear it down.
~TW~
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TW you are doing yourself and your 'faith' no favours at all. It is as if you are determined to put it in the worst possible light! ::)
floo hell is looming for you that is what my faith says,so you don't like it shame.You are a dead woman walking.
~TW~
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So with hell looming is it a case of fiddle while Rome burns :) how about you clowns sorry to put it so crude but it is true,how about one of you clowns producing a thread with facts for evolution,and allow me to tear it down.
~TW~
TW you obviously have some serious problems you need to address, and should go into therapy!
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TW you obviously have some serious problems you need to address, and should go into therapy!
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) Is that your best shot. ::)
~TW~
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So with hell looming is it a case of fiddle while Rome burns :) how about you clowns sorry to put it so crude but it is true,how about one of you clowns producing a thread with facts for evolution,and allow me to tear it down.
We could produce the facts aplenty, but (a) you wouldn't understand any of them, (b) you couldn't tear them down and (c) I for one couldn't stand any more of your grievous bodily harm against the English language.
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:) :) :) :) :) :) :) Is that your best shot. ::)
~TW~
The garbage you keep coming out with, shows you have problems, but sadly you don't realise the extent of them!
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"...dead woman walking"
Well TW, are you saying she appears very zombie looking? Very manly I would say but not walking dead.
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Zombies eat brains, apparently, don't they? Looks like the zombies got to ~TW~ early.
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You are so far gone ----not worth the bother stick with your tea-leaves in the cup.
You mean I have points, and you have no rebuttal. Never mind, dear...
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........ allow me to tear it down.
Now that is funny and does deserve some smilies.
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Poor old TW, he still tries to troll somebody into a futile discussion, since he knows nowt about owt. Yet another abusive Christian, blimey, is there a factory making them?
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Mr. Wigginhall,
Yes, that abusive atheist factory pumps them out for one week out of the year.
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floo hell is looming for you that is what my faith says,so you don't like it shame.You are a dead woman walking.
~TW~
You really are stupid aren't you - we are ALL dead men and women walking!
Death, eventually, is the only thing that everyone can be sure of!
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We could produce the facts aplenty, but (a) you wouldn't understand any of them, (b) you couldn't tear them down and (c) I for one couldn't stand any more of your grievous bodily harm against the English language.
Seconded - his punctuation would be a disgrace if used by a five year old.
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You really are stupid aren't you - we are ALL dead men and women walking!
Death, eventually, is the only thing that everyone can be sure of!
You forgot taxes and what the bible say's, so no one can put up a thread I thought so. Owlswing what with over 3000 post to your name why the change, and so I know what clown you are could you tell me, or is it a case of hiding.
~TW~
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You forgot taxes and what the bible say's, so no one can put up a thread I thought so. Owlswing what with over 3000 post to your name why the change, and so I know what clown you are could you tell me, or is it a case of hiding.
~TW~
What change?
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What change?
OK so you are new and hell bound and I would estimate just coming up,or near to your sell by date 3 score year and 10 very close to meeting your judge good job ,I warned you.
~TW~
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OK so you are new and hell bound and I would estimate just coming up,or near to your sell by date 3 score year and 10 very close to meeting your judge good job ,I warned you.
~TW~
And my parents warned me about people like you when I was seven or eight - total nutters they said - I didn't believe that such existed until I started reading your posts.
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And my parents warned me about people like you when I was seven or eight - total nutters they said - I didn't believe that such existed until I started reading your posts.
:) Why don't you post a few facts on evolution go on,be the first one on here.
~TW~
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:) Why don't you post a few facts on evolution go on,be the first one on here.
~TW~
Says the Forum's evolutionary dead-end!
Goodbye, Terminal Wanker, you have passed your sell-by date by several centuries.
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That made me laugh, Owlswing. They used to say that evolution was continuous, but yes, TW shows that it can reach an end-point, rather like flightless parrots.
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So the wing is stuffed the owl is stuffed and hell is coming in fast. De stabilization continues Judgement on this country continues cut buses raise retirement age,we cant afford street lights, subs suggested by clowns need not have weapons,Falklands soon to go,Russia teasing every day,up to one's necks in debt,stuffed daily by EU,thank God we have Christians and food banks.
Not good for the lost souls,deluded souls heading for hell.
~TW~
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Hi Wiggs,
That made me laugh, Owlswing. They used to say that evolution was continuous, but yes, TW shows that it can reach an end-point, rather like flightless parrots.
I'm sensing that you're beginning to despair a little at the selection of barmies, nasties and the logically challenged who pitch up here to argue for the god in which you also believe. Presumably though there are theists out there who believe in a "true for you too" god who do have arguments that merit scrutiny?
Maybe if we could ban the flakey five, the logical fallacies, the "because I say so" assertions etc first it'd be worth considering a thread on intelligent arguments for God?
Just a thought.
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So the wing is stuffed the owl is stuffed and hell is coming in fast. De stabilization continues Judgement on this country continues cut buses raise retirement age,we cant afford street lights, subs suggested by clowns need not have weapons,Falklands soon to go,Russia teasing every day,up to one's necks in debt,stuffed daily by EU,thank God we have Christians and food banks.
Not good for the lost souls,deluded souls heading for hell.
~TW~
Banging your 'end of the world' drum again ~TW~?
This reminds me of you;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COjvW4-9d9Y
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That made me laugh, Owlswing. They used to say that evolution was continuous, but yes, TW shows that it can reach an end-point, rather like flightless parrots.
And legless chocolate frogs.
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Just a quick reply to those who are doomed and fully paid up members of the hell bound club.Scripture often tells us about the actions of the Lord and you people are not up to a fair discussion you are simply blinkered in all departments,but as stated the last laugh belongs to the Lord you all have to approach the last day and as you slobber over your beer at the physic meeting at your local pub well have a reading Hebrews 9:27King James Version (KJV)
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
~TW~
Psychic meeting? Pub?
What psychic meeting @ the pub?
Have you never been in a pub?
That's not what people do. :o
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So the wing is stuffed the owl is stuffed and hell is coming in fast. De stabilization continues Judgement on this country continues cut buses raise retirement age,we cant afford street lights, subs suggested by clowns need not have weapons,Falklands soon to go,Russia teasing every day,up to one's necks in debt,stuffed daily by EU,thank God we have Christians and food banks.
Not good for the lost souls,deluded souls heading for hell.
~TW~
So the wing is stuffed, the owl is stuffed, and Hell is coming in fast. De-stabilization continues. Judgement on this country continues, cut buses, raise the retirement age, we can't afford street lights, subs suggested by clowns need not have nuclear weapons, the Falklands soon to go, Russia teasing every day, up to one's necks in debt, stuffed daily by the EU, thank God we have Christians and food banks.
Not good for the lost, deluded souls heading for Hell.
Corrected for punctuation etc - TW's mark 2 out of 10 - English FAILED.
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"And my parents warned me..."
I wouldn't bring up your parents Matty, after what you told us about your dad. Just a suggestion.
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"And my parents warned me..."
I wouldn't bring up your parents Matty, after what you told us about your dad. Just a suggestion.
I am going to break my rule of ignoring you for this - you might have noticed that that particular post was removed - precisely to try and prevent an arse like you using it against me!
"Ignore JC" rule now back in place!
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I am going to break my rule of ignoring you for this - you might have noticed that that particular post was removed - precisely to try and prevent an arse like you using it against me!
"Ignore JC" rule now back in place!
As his post does NOT say what your dad did, his post in no way can be used against you.
Grow up... I for one am glad I never saw the post. But if it has anything to do with your particular brand of rudeness and attack. Then it really does not excuse it...Neither being rude to JC as he has only referred to said post NOT content.
I guessed you just missed talking to JC. Maybe you should not use the reference to parents if you don't want others asking questions. I personally hope there was no harm to yourself in any way.
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As his post does NOT say what your dad did, his post in no way can be used against you.
Grow up... I for one am glad I never saw the post. But if it has anything to do with your particular brand of rudeness and attack. Then it really does not excuse it...Neither being rude to JC as he has only referred to said post NOT content.
I guessed you just missed talking to JC. Maybe you should not use the reference to parents if you don't want others asking questions. I personally hope there was no harm to yourself in any way.
I posted what I did because it was in line with the matter under discussion on another thread.
I did NOT remove it, I did not ASK for it be removed.
It was removed, I was advised that it had been removed and the reason for irs removal.
In case you hadn't noticed, you are also, normally, on my "Ignore" list and you also will be ignored in future, being as full of shit as JC, your hero!
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I posted what I did because it was in line with the matter under discussion on another thread.
I did NOT remove it, I did not ASK for it be removed.
It was removed, I was advised that it had been removed and the reason for irs removal.
In case you hadn't noticed, you are also, normally, on my "Ignore" list and you also will be ignored in future, being as full of shit as JC, your hero!
Owl how can anyone that's lost all reason insult anybody, just feel sorry for him.
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Owl how can anyone that's lost all reason insult anybody, just feel sorry for him.
ippy
Actually, Ippy, I do!
One has to feel sorry for someone whose deity gave them the power to reason then completely fails to use that power and instead uses a thoroughly discredited pseudo-history book to justify everything that they say and/or do.
I cannot understand why they insist on retaining the right to insult the beliefs of others, yours or mine, but denying us the right to equally insult theirs and quoting the Holy Book of Terminal Bullshit as justification.
And as for the sanctimoius way that JC picks up on every tiny fault of everyone else while denying that he has any himself . . .
Hence my "to be ignored" list.
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Oh Matty, I am full of faults, and never have I been shy at owning them. They complete me, they're the apple sauce on the pork chop, the ginger ale in the Canada Dry can.
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Matty,
When you post things like, all were pagan before Christianity, of course I can't pretend I never read that BS.
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Oh Matty, I am full of faults, and never have I been shy at owning them. They complete me, they're the apple sauce on the pork chop, the ginger ale in the Canada Dry can.
A lack of common decency seems to be one of your biggest.
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Actually, Ippy, I do!
One has to feel sorry for someone whose deity gave them the power to reason then completely fails to use that power and instead uses a thoroughly discredited pseudo-history book to justify everything that they say and/or do.
I cannot understand why they insist on retaining the right to insult the beliefs of others, yours or mine, but denying us the right to equally insult theirs and quoting the Holy Book of Terminal Bullshit as justification.
And as for the sanctimoius way that JC picks up on every tiny fault of everyone else while denying that he has any himself . . .
Hence my "to be ignored" list.
His deity isn't real owl it's only exists in his mind as an imaginary figure.
How does something that doesn't exist hand out power?
Just bathe in any insult he likes to throw at you, I would imagine he's just another one of those harmless nuters.
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His deity isn't real owl it's only exists in his mind as an imaginary figure.
How does something that doesn't exist hand out power?
Just bathe in any insult he likes to throw at you, I would imagine he's just another one of those harmless nuters.
ippy
I regret that I cannot agree with 'he's just another one of those harmless nutters'. On the old Beeb forum someone dismissed the Recondite Revenant similarly and wound up having a complete breakdown under the onslaught of pernicuious insults and open accusations of criminal and perverse sexual activities with relatives and children. All this because the individual concerned had the temerity to defend another target of RR's nastiness.
Against some targets 'those harmless nutters' are just that, harmless - against others . . .
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True Rhi, but only to those that deserve exactly that. I do not suffer fools gladly. And since you seem to want to point out faults, how about your habit of making up an offence where none exists nor was intended. "our women" for example.
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True Rhi, but only to those that deserve exactly that. I do not suffer fools gladly. And since you seem to want to point out faults, how about your habit of making up an offence where none exists nor was intended. "our women" for example.
Even those you consider to be 'fools' deserve some compassion. Some empathy.
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Rhi,
I agree but that doesn't mean I have to tolerate foolishness. Doesn't mean I have to remain silent when you and others launch your attacks on Christianity and my Saviour. If you break a leg, I would wish you a speedy recovery and I would carry on getting in your face when you make nasty comments about Christianity and God. Just as you have when I dished it right back at you in the pagan section many moons ago.
Common decency, are you thinking back to Matty's very first post on this site? The one that was nothing but an attack on me. Now if he had introduced himself and then stated his disagreement with me, we would have a much different relationship.
But just between you and I, I think deep down he has a big old man crush on me.
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I forgot I was talking to a troll.
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I forgot I was talking to a troll.
Too right! The only crush I have on him is with a twenty-five ton lump of rock! With a monkey on it! And under it!
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I regret that I cannot agree with 'he's just another one of those harmless nutters'. On the old Beeb forum someone dismissed the Recondite Revenant similarly and wound up having a complete breakdown under the onslaught of pernicuious insults and open accusations of criminal and perverse sexual activities with relatives and children. All this because the individual concerned had the temerity to defend another target of RR's nastiness.
Against some targets 'those harmless nutters' are just that, harmless - against others . . .
I'm sure some people are driven to sad episodes by people like ~TW~ but usually with these cases if it wasn't someone like TW it would end up being some other form of pressure from another unpredictable direction that could spark off an episode.
I just happen to think in TW's case where he obviously has a brain about the size of a pea, if he's lucky enough to have that much; obviously some of these rather minor league nutters can be harmful I just think he, TW, in particular is best swept around and not worth bothering about.
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Rhi,
I agree but that doesn't mean I have to tolerate foolishness. Doesn't mean I have to remain silent when you and others launch your attacks on Christianity and my Saviour. If you break a leg, I would wish you a speedy recovery and I would carry on getting in your face when you make nasty comments about Christianity and God. Just as you have when I dished it right back at you in the pagan section many moons ago.
Common decency, are you thinking back to Matty's very first post on this site? The one that was nothing but an attack on me. Now if he had introduced himself and then stated his disagreement with me, we would have a much different relationship.
But just between you and I, I think deep down he has a big old man crush on me.
Woody, we tolerate you with all of your references to your imaginary figures as though they really exist.
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Rhi
Common decency, are you thinking back to Matty's very first post on this site? The one that was nothing but an attack on me. .
You need yto check your facts.
My first post of this foirum was at12:36:45 on 01.11.2013 on the "Introductions". thread.
My first post mentioning you was in reply to a post BY you at 12:27:43 on 03.05.2015 in the "Homosexuality" thread in which you stated:
So bitter Matty. Who pooped in your breakfast cereal this morning? Was it Elton?
The references to my being "bitter" and to "Elton (John)" related to a comment that I made that "the only homosexual that I would not miss" from the world was Reginald Dwight - a person I knew at school.
My response was in reply to a post by Rhiannon which I made at 16:11:23 the same day on the same thread
JC is such a pure Christian boy he is probably still virgin in all respects. He is probably such a good boy theat he has never seen his own penis erect. (Reference to a comment by you to Rhiannon about "blow-jobs")
My next post relating to you was also in response to a post by Rhiannon made at 17:43:00 on 03.05.2015
I don't find being asked who shit in my breakfast cereal acceptable
Please note that these comments were made AT LEAST A YEAR after my first post on this forum.
But then again, you Christians have never had a problem with twisting history to suit your arguments.
Now shut the fuck up and piss off back to your flowers, pansies preferably.
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But then again, you Christians have never had a problem with twisting history to suit your arguments.
True!
Now shut the fuck up and piss off back to your flowers, pansies preferably.
My first guffaw today ... thank you man!
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Matty,
Does your witchcraft teach you to be so dishonest? "A bit late seeing how I'VE BEEN POSTING FOR A WEEK" that was you at the exact time of 12:36:45
You know very well your first post was an attack on me and it wasn't about the gay thingy at all. It was in that pagan section. I don't suffer fools gladly matty, even though you have a man crush me.
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Matty,
Does your witchcraft teach you to be so dishonest? "A bit late seeing how I'VE BEEN POSTING FOR A WEEK" that was you at the exact time of 12:36:45
You know very well your first post was an attack on me and it wasn't about the gay thingy at all. It was in that pagan section. I don't suffer fools gladly matty, even though you have a man crush me.
You're so clever - show me, in full, the post to which you are referring AND the post to which I was replying.
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Moderator:
Owlswing and OH MY WORLD.
If you want to snipe at each other about who said what, and when, then please take this pressing issue to PMs between you, if you wish - but not in threads please.
It is disruptive and is of no interest to the rest of us.
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Moderator:
Owlswing and OH MY WORLD.
If you want to snipe at each other about who said what, and when, then please take this pressing issue to PMs between you, if you wish - but not in threads please.
It is disruptive and is of no interest to the rest of us.
As far as I am aware I am unable to PM JC tho' he can PM me! However if he cares to contact me by PM I will respond, probably in kind.
And, in my defence I didn't start this "dig up the distant past" nonsence.
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I'm not going to Hell - I refuse to go.
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With God clearly using Satan {scriptures can be provided} to bring Judgement on the world as we run up to the last day,in the form of Death,sickness,famine,wars,also hardening the hearts of un-believers,the day of Grace fading the prospect of knowing you have been used by Satan and he loves his victims of un-belief and also hates you all his servants very much.
Eternity with him will not be much fun,and your chances of escaping hell are very,very low.How do you victims feel about that. 8) That you have fallen for Satan's scam.
~TW~
Tell me TW, when did you first start having these episodes?
ippy
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Tell me TW, when did you first start having these episodes?
ippy
Hello ippy these post of mine are purely biblical,I can take you through scripture blow by blow if you wish,You know I am very kind,even to you a hell bound sinner.
~TW~
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Hello ippy these post of mine are purely biblical,I can take you through scripture blow by blow if you wish,You know I am very kind,even to you a hell bound sinner.
~TW~
Just because something might be in the Bible doesn't mean it is TRUE. Besides which you put your unpleasant spin on that book! ::)
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Hello ippy these post of mine are purely biblical,I can take you through scripture blow by blow if you wish,You know I am very kind,even to you a hell bound sinner.
~TW~
Why should anyone care what is in the bible?
It's just a fictional book.
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Why should anyone care what is in the bible?
It's just a fictional book.
Not to ~TW~ et al it isn't!
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Not to ~TW~ et al it isn't!
Then the onus is on them to explain why anyone else should consider it worthy of note.
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Then the onus is on them to explain why anyone else should consider it worthy of note.
They do, interminably! Totally ignoring all protestations against their ongoing and unwanted proselytising.
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Hello ippy these post of mine are purely biblical,I can take you through scripture blow by blow if you wish,You know I am very kind,even to you a hell bound sinner.
~TW~
Purely biblical TW, is that the one where I collect £200 every time I pass Jerusalem or is it, go to jail, can't quite remember?
ippy
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Purely biblical TW, is that the one where I collect £200 every time I pass Jerusalem or is it, go to jail, can't quite remember?
ippy
No this one says £200 not much use to you.And you go straight to hell on a biblical theme.
~TW~
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No this one says £200 not much use to you.And you go straight to hell on a biblical theme.
~TW~
You've completely ruined my sleep TW, well, from now on.
Hope Zog's a bit more sorted out than this planet TW?
ippy
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You've completely ruined my sleep TW, well, from now on.
Hope Zog's a bit more sorted out than this planet TW?
ippy
Not just your sleep ippy, floo has a similar problem,along with you all there lots of talk but massive problems,and no answers.
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Not just your sleep ippy, floo has a similar problem,along with you all there lots of talk but massive problems,and no answers.
I have loads of answers if you just want made up nonsense.
But you live in a fantasy land, and you are not interested in truth.
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I have loads of answers if you just want made up nonsense.
But you live in a fantasy land, and you are not interested in truth.
Not you again you have nothing but a hell-fire future.
~TW~
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Not just your sleep ippy, floo has a similar problem,along with you all there lots of talk but massive problems,and no answers.
I bet your hands ache, typing with one hand, whilst the other hand is getting plenty of exercise elsewhere! ;D
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Not you again you have nothing but a hell-fire future.
~TW~
I like it hot.
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I like it hot.
Amen the Lord likes to accommodate .
~TW~
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Amen the Lord likes to accommodate .
~TW~
Is it a dry heat do you know?
I guess you will find out.
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I like it hot.
Me too! I prefer warm climates to sweet music any time and eternity with ~TW~ and people like him, (we all know those I'm talikng aboiut) would be pure, unadulterated Hell for me!
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Me too! I prefer warm climates to sweet music any time and eternity with ~TW~ and people like him, (we all know those I'm talikng aboiut) would be pure, unadulterated Hell for me!
Anyway, the devil will treat us well.
We will be one of his gang.
I think in heaven some will have an individual padded cell.
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Amen the Lord likes to accommodate .
~TW~
Here's a scenario that WOULD be Heaven to me - Ad_O and ~TW~ in Heaven all on their little lonesomes!
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As I have said before TW should consider his own afterlife destination, if there is one, he might need to invest in asbestos clothing! ;D
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I know some people who would be happy to strip him of his asbestos clothing, particularly if it is blue, for a fee ;D.
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I know some people who would be happy to strip him of his asbestos clothing, particularly if it is blue, for a fee ;D.
If the adage that "methinks he doth protest too much" is to be believed you will probably find that not only his asbestos clothing but his asbestos (and all other material) clothing and underwear are all pink.
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Bless his cotton socks! We must take some photographs.
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Bless his cotton socks! We must take some photographs.
. . . and post them on FaceBook?
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If the adage that "methinks he doth protest too much" is to be believed you will probably find that not only his asbestos clothing but his asbestos (and all other material) clothing and underwear are all pink.
I like it! ;D ;D ;D
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As regards the heat I am sure you will all be very well done,you must help me to understand your ways,difficult to understand rather like turkeys looking forward to Christmas. ;D
~TW~
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As regards the heat I am sure you will all be very well done,you must help me to understand your ways,difficult to understand rather like turkeys looking forward to Christmas. ;D
~TW~
The only turkey here is your attitude to others
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As regards the heat I am sure you will all be very well done,you must help me to understand your ways,difficult to understand rather like turkeys looking forward to Christmas. ;D
~TW~
I think you misunderstand.
This is what we want you to believe to keep you out.
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As regards the heat I am sure you will all be very well done,you must help me to understand your ways,difficult to understand rather like turkeys looking forward to Christmas. ;D
~TW~
Some sort of therapy for your hell-fire fixation might be in order! ;D
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Some sort of therapy for your hell-fire fixation might be in order! ;D
I think any poor therapist that was unkucky enough to have TW to deal with may well end up hanging themselves.
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I posted what I did because it was in line with the matter under discussion on another thread.
I did NOT remove it, I did not ASK for it be removed.
It was removed, I was advised that it had been removed and the reason for irs removal.
In case you hadn't noticed, you are also, normally, on my "Ignore" list and you also will be ignored in future, being as full of shit as JC, your hero!
There is just no helping some people. As for your ignore list... thank you... I consider that a blessing given your ignorance on most matters... ;D
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A lack of common decency seems to be one of your biggest.
I posted what I did because it was in line with the matter under discussion on another thread.
I did NOT remove it, I did not ASK for it be removed.
It was removed, I was advised that it had been removed and the reason for irs removal.
In case you hadn't noticed, you are also, normally, on my "Ignore" list and you also will be ignored in future, being as full of shit as JC, your hero!
Where as hypocrisy and tunnel vision are more your faults and not to forget popularity contests.
Really... you see how Owlswing insults others and have the nerve to blame the ones he insults.
As Axel Foley once said... "What's the fuckin' charge for getting pushed out of a moving car, huh? Jaywalking?"
Same mind set. You ignore what is really happening to have a go at the injured party.
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I forgot I was talking to a troll.
There we go... PROOF.
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Matty,
Does your witchcraft teach you to be so dishonest? "A bit late seeing how I'VE BEEN POSTING FOR A WEEK" that was you at the exact time of 12:36:45
You know very well your first post was an attack on me and it wasn't about the gay thingy at all. It was in that pagan section. I don't suffer fools gladly matty, even though you have a man crush me.
If you would only ignore Matty then the actual posting and response to the posters who support him will drop.
You are not they troll. Matty and his friends are the trolls. Insulting you and nothing useful to say on the subject of Christianity.
Why not put him on ignore list and the other two. Life would be wonderful and they would be really irritated when unable to respond to your posts.... Be honest, be open and let them sink in their own sinking sand.
Don't insult just tell the truth about their actions or rather ignore them. Believe me in the long run you will be better off and they will realise they were only noticeable because you allowed them to be.
Take a break and answer points in posts only... watch and see the truth revealed.. Wonder if they can keep away from you. LOL. ;D 8) ::)
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I'm not going to Hell - I refuse to go.
Like you get a choice...LOL... That's right you had a choice and unless you make the right one that is where people go... :(
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I think any poor therapist that was unkucky enough to have TW to deal with may well end up hanging themselves.
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True! ;D
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Like you get a choice...LOL... That's right you had a choice and unless you make the right one that is where people go... :(
Choice?
What choice?
Scriptures tell us that everything happens the way the Bible god has willed it. So, according to your particular myth book, we have no choice.
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Choice?
What choice?
Scriptures us that everything happens the way the Bible god has willed it. So, according to your particular myth book, we have no choice.
Are we about to embark on another round of the freewill debate?
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Choice?
What choice?
Scriptures tell us that everything happens the way the Bible god has willed it. So, according to your particular myth book, we have no choice.
Read the bible/scriptures young man... read the bible/scriptures.
More and more you display the fact and evidence you know nothing about God or the bible.
Stop talking about things you haven't even the basic knowledge about.
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Are we about to embark on another round of the freewill debate?
He does not know what you mean he has no knowledge of Christianity...
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Here is a positive result for an atheist consumed with God.
http://www.shalombewithyou.com/christian-testimonies/dave-shmelzer-a-former-atheist-finds-god-through-christ/
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Here is a positive result for an atheist consumed with God.
http://www.shalombewithyou.com/christian-testimonies/dave-shmelzer-a-former-atheist-finds-god-through-christ/
The caption says he wasn't an atheist.
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Here is a positive result for an atheist consumed with God.
http://www.shalombewithyou.com/christian-testimonies/dave-shmelzer-a-former-atheist-finds-god-through-christ/
'He was a devout God hater and was consumed with proving that God wasn’t real' - not an atheist then as jeremyp says.
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'He was a devout God hater and was consumed with proving that God wasn’t real' - not an atheist then as jeremyp says.
Reminds me of C.S. Lewis and his "angry at God" thing - also a sign of being not-an-atheist.
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Reminds me of C.S. Lewis and his "angry at God" thing - also a sign of being not-an-atheist.
Absolutely. There is certainly a group of people who say they are atheist who really underneath it have a belief in God but don't want to admit it for various reasons so go extreme in the anti-theist direction. Most atheists aren't like that, despite what some posters on here seem to think though.