Religion and Ethics Forum
General Category => Politics & Current Affairs => Topic started by: Hope on January 21, 2016, 12:05:31 PM
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35370819
Do you agree with Alexander Litvinenko's widow, that Putin, along with others in the Russian hierarchy ought to be banned from entering the UK as a result of their involvement in her husband's assassination?
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35370819
Do you agree with Alexander Litvinenko's widow, that Putin, along with others in the Russian hierarchy ought to be banned from entering the UK as a result of their involvement in her husband's assassination?
If we have allowed Mugabe to enter, then to refuse to allow almost anybody else would be hypocritical.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35370819
Do you agree with Alexander Litvinenko's widow, that Putin, along with others in the Russian hierarchy ought to be banned from entering the UK as a result of their involvement in her husband's assassination?
I think it is highly likely. >:(
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Much though that would appear to be the principled thing to do - we do not unfortunately live in such a foreign place where principles can always be maintained.
The pressing issue in Syria will remain at the top of the international agenda and as Russia is a major player in this arena it would be difficult and probably unwise to alienate Putin and his horrible regime anymore than we already have done with yesterdays pronouncements.
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Agree with Trent. Sadly.
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I think that this just part of the targeted campaign against Russia and Putin. "Probably" equals guilty? Insane! But these are the anti-Christian forces at work against a Russian president who has repeatedly confirmed the importance of the Orthodox Church within the life of the Russian nation (while our western leaders do everything to erase every last vestige of Europe's Christian heritage) and has publicly vowed to protect Christians in the Middle-East.
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I have a real issue with this being done as a report that concludes 'probably'. If it were to brought up, it will be laughed at. We know for certain that Saudi oppresses and kills people for the views, and yet we sell them arms and support them getting a position on the Human Rights Committee at the U.N.
We could either just called out Russia on the basis that there aren't really any other suspects, or tried to do something in an international court (almost impossible in this case) but the report doesn't make the case stronger, it weakens it by being an obvious fig leaf with no effect and little, if any, precedent.
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I think that this just part of the targeted campaign against Russia and Putin. "Probably" equals guilty? Insane! But these are the anti-Christian forces at work against a Russian president who has repeatedly confirmed the importance of the Orthodox Church within the life of the Russian nation (while our western leaders do everything to erase every last vestige of Europe's Christian heritage) and has publicly vowed to protect Christians in the Middle-East.
Yet, the problem is that in supporting Assad, Putin has also been involved in attacking opponents of Assad, some of whom are Christians. The sad thing in a way is that Putin seems to have an extremely narrow definition of 'Christian', as well as appearing to have in 'in for' an ethnic group - the Kurds - who are perfectly legitimately seeking a land of their own.
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I think that this just part of the targeted campaign against Russia and Putin. "Probably" equals guilty? Insane! But these are the anti-Christian forces at work against a Russian president who has repeatedly confirmed the importance of the Orthodox Church within the life of the Russian nation (while our western leaders do everything to erase every last vestige of Europe's Christian heritage) and has publicly vowed to protect Christians in the Middle-East.
Putin has vowed a lot of things and then - as soon as it suits him - conveniently forgotten said vows.
The man is, first and foremost, a politician, second he is a Russian whose power base is mostly those who held power behind the scenes during the Communist era. When Putin no longer needs the support of the Orthodox Church he will dump it like a piece of used toilet paper - rather like he dumped Litvinenko.
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Putin has vowed a lot of things and then - as soon as it suits him - conveniently forgotten said vows.
The man is, first and foremost, a politician, second he is a Russian whose power base is mostly those who held power behind the scenes during the Communist era. When Putin no longer needs the support of the Orthodox Church he will dump it like a piece of used toilet paper - rather like he dumped Litvinenko.
I recall that Stalin wanted the Church on side when and only when it suited his purposes, in precisely the same way.
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A lot of if's and but's based upon nothing but prejudice and no room for good will, much like this judge's "probably".
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A lot of if's and but's based upon nothing but prejudice and no room for good will
Irony, thy name is ad_o ::)
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I see Gorgeous George Galloway has declared it was Goody Israel
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I see Gorgeous George Galloway has declared it was Goody Israel
Needless to say.
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Needless to say.
And yet still worth saying. To be fair Litvinenko was a sort of GGG for Russia, given they were responsible for all the things that George thought Israel did.
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I'm not too sure what the fuss is about. Litvinenko was Russian and I'm sure if he had had the chance would have taken power in Russia as Putin has. No doubt his rift with Putin was over this kind of thing.
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I'm not too sure what the fuss is about. Litvinenko was Russian and I'm sure if he had had the chance would have taken power in Russia as Putin has. No doubt his rift with Putin was over this kind of thing.
nope
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nope
What? he wasn't Russian?
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What? he wasn't Russian?
Yes, of course he was; but he was not a politician.
He was an Anti-Organised Crime Squad cop. He and some colleagues accused high ranking politicians of ordering the assassination of a crime syndicate boss, probably to protect their own skins.
Livinenko was arrested and charged with something or other and eventually came to London and worked with British Intelligence.
He wrote a book, or maybe two, and accused various people in the cops, army, and politics of using violence to help get Putin elected.
When he died Putin was Suspect Numero Uno. And, apparently, still is.
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I'm not too sure what the fuss is about. Litvinenko was Russian and I'm sure if he had had the chance would have taken power in Russia as Putin has.
Isn't this "If Alan Kurdi had lived he would have have been a rapist"?
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http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/01/today-assumed-putins-russia-killed-litvinenko-looked.html
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http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/01/today-assumed-putins-russia-killed-litvinenko-looked.html
From a Blog that specialises in conspiracy theories about the various Western Governments, especially the U S Government, I quote from the above article
Quote . . . But then conspiracy theories don’t have to make sense . . . End quote
So one journalist, a journalist who is as biased against the US as is the poster who quotes his article, discovers in one day that a report that took months to compile from evidence from dozens of witnesses is wrong and he, all on his little lonesome, has uncovered the truth.
Yeah - and the Sun revolves around the Earth sand Donald Trump talks sense.
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From a Blog that specialises in conspiracy theories about the various Western Governments, especially the U S Government, I quote from the above article
Quote . . . But then conspiracy theories don’t have to make sense . . . End quote
So one journalist, a journalist who is as biased against the US as is the poster who quotes his article, discovers in one day that a report that took months to compile from evidence from dozens of witnesses is wrong and he, all on his little lonesome, has uncovered the truth.
Yeah - and the Sun revolves around the Earth sand Donald Trump talks sense.
I'm sure you believe everything your government tell you like a good little slave. It is clear that there is a campaign against Russia and Putin and this is just part of it. It all has to do with sour grapes on the part of western governments concerning Syria and Ukraine.
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I'm sure you believe everything your government tell you like a good little slave. It is clear that there is a campaign against Russia and Putin and this is just part of it. It all has to do with sour grapes on the part of western governments concerning Syria and Ukraine.
I cannot believe that even you are that thick!
Livinenko died ages before Syria and IS - and Putin was a suspect from the day Litvienko was attacked - long before the poor bastard died of radiation poisoning!
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Oh yeah! And all only "probably"! LOL!
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Oh yeah! And all only "probably"! LOL!
Probably what!
Your response, is, like a lot of your responses, meaningless and posted only so that you can pat yourself on the back for having responded.
So again, probably what!
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If you can't see what I'm taking the piss out of it's not worth explaining any further. You're a lost cause. US, Europe and Israel good guys, Russia bad guys. We get it..."probably"! ::)
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If you can't see what I'm taking the piss out of it's not worth explaining any further. You're a lost cause. US, Europe and Israel good guys, Russia bad guys. We get it..."probably"! ::)
There is no "probably" about it! You clearly don't get it at all!
Why? Because you cannot accept that there might be any explanation but yours - just like your religious views.
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No, clearly you don't get it. Otherwise you wouldn't automatically lap up the official line.
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No, clearly you don't get it. Otherwise you wouldn't automatically lap up the official line.
And I am supposed to accept the unofficial line of a religious nutcase and serial conspiracy theorist?
I consider you to be the stupid one, one who will accept and swallow whole any and all conspiracy theories that are anti-US and anti-fundamentalist Christianity.
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What a weird way of assassinating someone though.
He was so radioactive they had to bury him in a lead lined coffin and apparently I was reading that the radiation released also put Londoners in danger. ( ie if you drank from that teapot, washed and used again before anyone realised).
It was such an odd way of killing someone, I mean your average Joe can't get a bottle of polonium down the chemist.
It's a bit of an unforgettable way of killing someone.
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I'm not sure who did it, but they had more connections than most of us.
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What a weird way of assassinating someone though.
He was so radioactive they had to bury him in a lead lined coffin and apparently I was reading that the radiation released also put Londoners in danger. ( ie if you drank from that teapot, washed and used again before anyone realised).
It was such an odd way of killing someone, I mean your average Joe can't get a bottle of polonium down the chemist.
It's a bit of an unforgettable way of killing someone.
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I'm not sure who did it, but they had more connections than most of us.
That, it would seem, was the whole idea.
To teach Litvinenko a lesson; a long slow death affected not only his family but him too - to have shot him or run him over would have meant that only the former would suffer and they were not the target, he was.
The message from whoever arranged his death, Putin or whoever, was don't ever mess with me or you will suffer as Litvinenko did.
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That, it would seem, was the whole idea.
To teach Litvinenko a lesson; a long slow death affected not only his family but him too - to have shot him or run him over would have meant that only the former would suffer and they were not the target, he was.
The message from whoever arranged his death, Putin or whoever, was don't ever mess with me or you will suffer as Litvinenko did.
According to this, part of his job had been to investigate the Russian mafia.
It's the sort of premeditated thing I could see a gangster boss doing or wanting a message got across to those in the know.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/19/alexander-litvinenko-the-man-who-solved-his-own-murder
It sounds like his job was to investigate mafia connections to governments officials.
I think it sounds like someone got upset he might, in the light of his investigations, end up removing a puppet under their control in the Russian halls of power.
It doesn't sound like something a government would do, more like what a thug would do.
( not saying their president couldn't be a thug, but perhaps it's people behind the scene pulling strings rather that the Russian government enmasse)
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"Former-KGB spy Alexander Litvinenko accused Russian President Vladimir Puttin of being a paedophile, the spy’s widow told a public inquiry into his death."
http://tinyurl.com/ze78e8g
I saw this on my fb feed earlier, accompanied by a photo of Putin blowing a raspberry on some kids stomach.
If you want to bring someone into disrepute, call 'em a "Paedo"...
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Yes, of course he was; but he was not a politician.
He was an Anti-Organised Crime Squad cop. He and some colleagues accused high ranking politicians of ordering the assassination of a crime syndicate boss, probably to protect their own skins.
Livinenko was arrested and charged with something or other and eventually came to London and worked with British Intelligence.
He wrote a book, or maybe two, and accused various people in the cops, army, and politics of using violence to help get Putin elected.
When he died Putin was Suspect Numero Uno. And, apparently, still is.
My original post on this was about the events that were earlier and preceded what you have mention. Those events just after the collapse of the USSR when everyone in power were trying to grab power and wealth etc.
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Isn't this "If Alan Kurdi had lived he would have have been a rapist"?
No. What Litvinenko was doing during the period after the fall of the USSR, when people were grabbing power etc., will indicate what his real motives were.
Kurdi had no back story to impeach him.
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According to this, part of his job had been to investigate the Russian mafia.
It's the sort of premeditated thing I could see a gangster boss doing or wanting a message got across to those in the know.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/19/alexander-litvinenko-the-man-who-solved-his-own-murder
It sounds like his job was to investigate mafia connections to governments officials.
I think it sounds like someone got upset he might, in the light of his investigations, end up removing a puppet under their control in the Russian halls of power.
It doesn't sound like something a government would do, more like what a thug would do.
( not saying their president couldn't be a thug, but perhaps it's people behind the scene pulling strings rather that the Russian government enmasse)
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Wasn't that what I said in an earlier post on this thread, about #5 or so?
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What a weird way of assassinating someone though.
He was so radioactive they had to bury him in a lead lined coffin and apparently I was reading that the radiation released also put Londoners in danger. ( ie if you drank from that teapot, washed and used again before anyone realised).
It was such an odd way of killing someone, I mean your average Joe can't get a bottle of polonium down the chemist.
It's a bit of an unforgettable way of killing someone.
:o
I'm not sure who did it, but they had more connections than most of us.
If its that radioactive how did they carry it around without dying themselves?
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If its that radioactive how did they carry it around without dying themselves?
How would we know that they didn't? Do you honestly think that, regardless of if it were Putin or the Russian Mafia who ordered the 'hit', they would bother to tell their hitmen that they were in as much danger as their target?
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Polonium 210 emits some gamma rays but large amounts of alpha radiation. The alpha particles are easily blocked, eg. by a container, but are lethal when the polonium has been ingested. Traces of the polonium were found in the bars, restaurants, taxis and airplanes used by the suspects.
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There are easier ways of taking out a hit on someone.
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There are easier ways of taking out a hit on someone.
Agrred, but, as I said, in this case a protracted and painful death as a punishment and a warning to others was probably intended and achieved.
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How would we know that they didn't? Do you honestly think that, regardless of if it were Putin or the Russian Mafia who ordered the 'hit', they would bother to tell their hitmen that they were in as much danger as their target?
The main suspect looks fit and well. He hasn't died as Litvinenko has.
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The main suspect looks fit and well. He hasn't died as Litvinenko has.
Lucky man!
Maybe there is a god after all!
Or, more likely, it was the one Goddess who cannot be invoked - Lady Luck!