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Religion and Ethics Discussion => Faith Sharing Area => Topic started by: Sassy on March 30, 2016, 04:31:44 AM
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King James Bible
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
It is a sure sign of the times when even on this forum believers are showing themselves to be accepting false teachings in place of the truth.
The truth from God hasn't changed but people, even believers here are preaching things not from the bible.
I find it sad and wondered if anyone knew enough about the bible to figure out who the people pleasers are.
Who have separate beliefs to the bible and preach that which is not sound doctrine?
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It's difficult because people argue about different teachings/doctrines.
One persons truth, is another persons false teachings.
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It's difficult because people argue about different teachings/doctrines.
One persons truth, is another persons false teachings.
The tenets of the Jewish and Christian faith are for want of a better phrase..."Set in stone" LOL.( Sorry Rose but the 10 Commandments being written on stone by the finger of God.
No higher power than God and it wasn't an intentional pun.)
The things are changing for a time and season so to speak.
Gods truth does not change according to the way of the world. That has become obvious that people changing the word and definition to make it fit into the world and all things acceptable. Hence Christ said, " My kingdom is not of this world" it cannot fit in or become part of the natural world as we know it.
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My kingdom is not of this world" it cannot fit in or become part of the natural world as we know it.
So Sass who said it was part of this world.You are still as daft as you always was,and you write things no one has said.
~TW~
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My kingdom is not of this world" it cannot fit in or become part of the natural world as we know it.
So Sass who said it was part of this world.You are still as daft as you always was,and you write things no one has said.
~TW~
You have added things that are not there TW
Nowhere in the bible does it say it can't be part of the natural world
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You have added things that are not there TW
Nowhere in the bible does it say it can't be part of the natural world
Rose your job is to make the tea.
~TW~
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Rose your job is to make the tea.
~TW~
Just as well you are not accessable, I've had a day like that, at work >:( >:(
You might have found yourself wearing it >:( >:(
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King James Bible
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
It is a sure sign of the times when even on this forum believers are showing themselves to be accepting false teachings in place of the truth.
I'm sorry to say this publically, but I have often felt that the doctrines you have preached here have been mistaken, even if not false, Sass. You probably think the same of me, but one pointer as far as I'm concerned is your refusal to use any version other than the KJV. The KJV was, itself, developed to allow the ordinary people the opportunity to read the Bible in their own language - yet you seem determined to go against this aim in terms of modern English.
Gods truth does not change according to the way of the world.
I would endorse the sentiment 100%, but I'd disagree that the terminology used to express that truth is also set in stone when we live in a world where language is a living entity. The problem is, so often, that truths and even legislation are worded in such a way as to have been comprehendable 100/200/400 years ago, but totally incomprehensible to the modern reader.
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Rose your job is to make the tea.
~TW~
~TW~, your job is to be respectful and in line with Jesus' teachings. ;)
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~TW~, your job is to be respectful and in line with Jesus' teachings. ;)
And what would you know about Jesus teachings you also help Rose with the tea.You have been promoted tea boy.
~TW~
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And what would you know about Jesus teachings ...
Well, I've studied the Bible - both Old and New Testaments - for the last 40-odd years, and have read a number of commentaries, both modern and less than modern. I have discussed the material with scholars and religious leaders; I have been involved in the running of events whereby different people have been available to answer questions. To put it succintly, I've made it my job to investigate and question. I have come to the same conclusions as those that make up mainstream Christianity.
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OK but what do NON-Christians feel about your methods or anyone else not in your Mutual Admiration Society ??? ;) ;)
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OK but what do NON-Christians feel about your methods or anyone else not in your Mutual Admiration Society ??? ;) ;)
I'm more interested in what I believe God feels, trippy; after all, its my soul I have to worry about, not what others think.
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I'm more interested in what I believe God feels, trippy; after all, its my soul I have to worry about, not what others think.
Your soul is the inward manifestation of your body. Your soul is in your blood. Your body is the outward manifestation of your soul. The two are not separate things.
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Your soul is the inward manifestation of your body. Your soul is in your blood. Your body is the outward manifestation of your soul. The two are not separate things.
Sorry to disappoint you, nn; one's soul isn't 'in your blood'. This latter is material; one's soul is immaterial, which is why it is outside the remit of science. I appreciate that you may have been usng the phrase metaphorically; if so, I'm not sure that it is a very helpful metaphor as I'd argue that 'soul' is greater than 'blood'.
To make things worse for you, what you have written in this post has absolutely no relevance to my post you quoted at the start of yours.
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Sorry to disappoint you, nn; one's soul isn't 'in your blood'. This latter is material; one's soul is immaterial, which is why it is outside the remit of science. I appreciate that you may have been usng the phrase metaphorically; if so, I'm not sure that it is a very helpful metaphor as I'd argue that 'soul' is greater than 'blood'.
At the same time, what you have written in this post has absolutely no relevance to the post of mine that you quoted at the start of your post.
Your soul concept is a false doctrine. Redemption is the restoration of the whole person, and not the salvation of the soul apart from the body. The body and soul are an indivisible unity; people are seen from two different perspectives. The body is the physical reality of human existence; the soul is the vitality and personality of human existence.
“For the soul of every creature is the blood of it,” the phrase “every creature” suggests that the reference to blood apply to both humans and animals. We have here a most important insight revealed into the essence of human nature; soul and blood are identical.
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Sorry to disappoint you, nn; one's soul isn't 'in your blood'. This latter is material; one's soul is immaterial, which is why it is outside the remit of science. I appreciate that you may have been usng the phrase metaphorically; if so, I'm not sure that it is a very helpful metaphor as I'd argue that 'soul' is greater than 'blood'.
To make things worse for you, what you have written in this post has absolutely no relevance to my post you quoted at the start of yours.
You have Somatids in your blood. Somatids are still a mystery. They cannot be destroyed even at 1000 degree C. Millions of rads of radiation hardly phases then. Microscopic diamond knives have broken when trying to cut them in half, suggesting a crystalline structure. They have no DNA or RNA although they can change into bacteria.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py-hutc5ZNM
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Your soul concept is a false doctrine. Redemption is the restoration of the whole person, and not the salvation of the soul apart from the body. The body and soul are an indivisible unity; people are seen from two different perspectives. The body is the physical reality of human existence; the soul is the vitality and personality of human existence.
Is that why the body is so important at the final day that it has to be buried as opposed to being cremated? ;) What about those who were buried so long ago, and in soil conditions that damage bones beyond repai: will they be unable to be resurrected by God? NN, we are told very clearly that, at the Last Day we will be given new bodies - and probably nothing like those you and I currently have.
“For the soul of every creature is the blood of it,” the phrase “every creature” suggests that the reference to blood apply to both humans and animals. We have here a most important insight revealed into the essence of human nature; soul and blood are identical.
Can't say that I've ever heard or read that interpretation before - what church or sect do you belong to?
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Is that why the body is so important at the final day that it has to be buried as opposed to being cremated? ;) What about those who were buried so long ago, and in soil conditions that damage bones beyond repai: will they be unable to be resurrected by God? NN, we are told very clearly that, at the Last Day we will be given new bodies - and probably nothing like those you and I currently have.
Can't say that I've ever heard or read that interpretation before - what church or sect do you belong to?
I don't know much about the buried process. Only during this age of grace, a person can get a new body like Jesus has. That body is some kind of flesh and bone body, but it doesn't depend on what our body right now depend on...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SGoDIkscXg The body that Jesus has has that eternal life in it.
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Is that why the body is so important at the final day that it has to be buried as opposed to being cremated? ;) What about those who were buried so long ago, and in soil conditions that damage bones beyond repai: will they be unable to be resurrected by God? NN, we are told very clearly that, at the Last Day we will be given new bodies - and probably nothing like those you and I currently have.
Can't say that I've ever heard or read that interpretation before - what church or sect do you belong to?
If I am not mistaken it sounds in line with what the Jehovah's Witnesses believe.
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If I am not mistaken it sounds in line with what the Jehovah's Witnesses believe.
Jehovah's Witnesses are a con. They keep the issue of sin on the table of God's justice. This gift decree of righteousness Paul talks about comes totally apart from any and all human promise, any or all human performance or any or all human production, no human merit of people whatsoever for this free gift. God will never consider people’s works as a payment for God’s justifying declaration.
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I was thinking more of what you said about the soul being in the blood, etc, newnature. Anyway, we now know you are not a JW, in fact I don't think there is one on this forum.
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I was thinking more of what you said about the soul being in the blood, etc, newnature. Anyway, we now know you are not a JW, in fact I don't think there is one on this forum.
To abandon souls being reunited with their bodies, also entails abandoning a whole cluster of doctrines resulting from it. The total impact of dividing humans into body and soul has promoted all sorts of false dichotomies in Scripture.
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I was thinking more of what you said about the soul being in the blood, etc, newnature. Anyway, we now know you are not a JW, in fact I don't think there is one on this forum.
The term soul - nephesh is used for both people and animals because both are conscious beings. They both share the same animating life-principle or “life-breath.”
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I was thinking more of what you said about the soul being in the blood, etc, newnature. Anyway, we now know you are not a JW, in fact I don't think there is one on this forum.
JW's left some time ago,it would be nice to see one pop back,they keep me sharp. :)
~TW~
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Been watching reruns of the old classic Star Trek series on telly & often wondered if it were possible to 'beam down' as they do, wondering where the soul would be when it happens. Would/could it ever be possible???
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Been watching reruns of the old classic Star Trek series on telly & often wondered if it were possible to 'beam down' as they do, wondering where the soul would be when it happens. Would/could it ever be possible???
It is good that you think like that most non-Christians on here do not think.How would an Atheist if he could be sent back in time describe a television to Moses and a tornado fighter as an example, Moses and his friends would think the Atheist was mad.
Think about it.
~TW~
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It is good that you think like that most non-Christians on here do not think.How would an Atheist if he could be sent back in time describe a television to Moses and a tornado fighter as an example, Moses and his friends would think the Atheist was mad.
Think about it.
~TW~
Which if Moses could be so fazed by a television and Tornado fighter, how do we know his impressions about God or what God wanted was so correct?
We probably wouldn't recognise Moses description of a television or tornado fighter, perhaps his description of God would be just as dodgy ;)
Think about that one............
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Been watching reruns of the old classic Star Trek series on telly & often wondered if it were possible to 'beam down' as they do, wondering where the soul would be when it happens. Would/could it ever be possible???
A similar question was asked by the makers of a film which posed the question what happens to the soul of people resuscitated after cryogenic suspension... So beloved by people in America.
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Should be OK, no as the body hasn't been 'dismantled' & rearranged elsewhere.
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Which if Moses could be so fazed by a television and Tornado fighter, how do we know his impressions about God or what God wanted was so correct?
We probably wouldn't recognise Moses description of a television or tornado fighter, perhaps his description of God would be just as dodgy ;)
Think about that one............
Men and Prophets like Moses knew things well ahead of time.
But how do you think he lead a nation into the wilderness and they lived there for forty years without seeing and doing the impossible. Moses struck a rock and water gushed from it... Is that the actions of a man who could truly be amazed about a tv or fighter plane?
Faith was not something the Israelites were good at. Having seen all that Moses was commanded to do. The water open up allowing them to cross on foot the Israelites still needed something material to look at.. The Lords presence in the tent that went with them on their journey but still they were hard hearted and with little trust.
Moses knew about Christ and even Abraham knew of his coming and was delighted by the knowledge.
Tv's and planes will pass but they will never give man the same change to their lives as knowing God in Christ Jesus.
Do you think tv's and fighter jets really a match for raising the dead and seeing the sick healed?
In Moses time they had something greater than TV and fighter jets.
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If the soul has returned to God, how do you make it come back to a body?
False hope and expensive too.
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Which if Moses could be so fazed by a television and Tornado fighter, how do we know his impressions about God or what God wanted was so correct?
But Moses wouldn't have been fazed by a TV or Tornado fighter. They simply didn't exist in the experience of people of that time. As such, it's a fallacious argument, as is ~TW~'s original comment.
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But Moses wouldn't have been fazed by a TV or Tornado fighter. They simply didn't exist in the experience of people of that time. As such, it's a fallacious argument, as is ~TW~'s original comment.
Wrong,------ you Hope live in cloud cuckoo land,so you are saying Moses would have no problem knowing what the tornado fighter is then why did he not build one why walk around the desert build a car.Hope you are in need of a holiday.
~TW~
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Hope,
Surely you want to respond?
Wrong,------ you Hope live in cloud cuckoo land,so you are saying Moses would have no problem knowing what the tornado fighter is then why did he not build one why walk around the desert build a car.Hope you are in need of a holiday.
~TW~