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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Shaker on May 09, 2016, 08:12:01 PM

Title: A proper use of police time and resources?
Post by: Shaker on May 09, 2016, 08:12:01 PM
Man arrested for posting a video on YouTube of a dog sticking its leg in the air:

http://goo.gl/2XaBvG
Title: Re: A proper use of police time and resources?
Post by: Nearly Sane on May 09, 2016, 08:34:25 PM
Apparently the dog is called Buddha.
Title: Re: A proper use of police time and resources?
Post by: Harrowby Hall on May 09, 2016, 08:37:26 PM
A very good example of the use of knee jerk political correctness! I would call it bullying.

I think that the ... err ... perpetrator was stupid and foolish in the extreme but I don't think his act was criminal.
Title: Re: A proper use of police time and resources?
Post by: SqueakyVoice on May 09, 2016, 09:06:23 PM

Quote from: From Link
The clip allegedly shows a pug sitting in front of a screen showing footage of Adolf Hitler and making Nazi salutes.
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Det Insp David Cockburn said: "Posting offensive material online or in any other capacity will not be tolerated and police will act swiftly to tackle hate crimes that are motivated by malice or ill-will because of faith, ethnicity, gender identity, sexual orientation or disability."

I'm sure the police will be delighted to hear if anyone has a method of working out which potential hate crimes they don't need to investigate.

But, just in case, its probably best they investigate all of them (or at least all the cases reported to them), for now.


Title: Re: A proper use of police time and resources?
Post by: L.A. on May 10, 2016, 08:19:40 AM
I'm sure the police will be delighted to hear if anyone has a method of working out which potential hate crimes they don't need to investigate.

But, just in case, its probably best they investigate all of them (or at least all the cases reported to them), for now.

The problem is that virtually anything that we may say or do may be deemed offensive by someone. I think there is a real question as to whether this is a matter that the police should be involved in or whether  a simple complaint to utube might be more appropriate?

Or has our society finally abandoned common sense totally?
Title: Re: A proper use of police time and resources?
Post by: Humph Warden Bennett on May 10, 2016, 08:27:14 AM
Man arrested for posting a video on YouTube of a dog sticking its leg in the air:

http://goo.gl/2XaBvG

As far as I am concerned the dog made the gesture, not the owner, but of course the dog has no mens rea, so therefore cannot commit a crime. Waste of time & resources.
Title: Re: A proper use of police time and resources?
Post by: Bubbles on May 10, 2016, 08:30:59 AM
Man arrested for posting a video on YouTube of a dog sticking its leg in the air:

http://goo.gl/2XaBvG

I'm guessing, but suspect there must have been more to it.

However, no I think the police should be out there stopping crime in RL instead of arresting easier targets.

A certain amount of idiotic videos is ok on the Internet.

It's what people do.

Unfortunately it's the easy option for the police.

But what's new?

Quite a few people have called the police to protect their homes and children and they haven't even bothered to turn up  >:(


Title: Re: A proper use of police time and resources?
Post by: Shaker on May 10, 2016, 09:09:53 AM
The problem is that virtually anything that we may say or do may be deemed offensive by someone. I think there is a real question as to whether this is a matter that the police should be involved in or whether  a simple complaint to utube might be more appropriate?

Or has our society finally abandoned common sense totally?
Not quite. But close.
Title: Re: A proper use of police time and resources?
Post by: Owlswing on May 10, 2016, 10:07:27 AM

Could the fact that the trigger for the dog to raise its right paw in a "Nazi" salute is its owner saying "Seig Heil" had something to do with the reaction to the video?
Title: Re: A proper use of police time and resources?
Post by: L.A. on May 10, 2016, 10:14:57 AM
Not quite. But close.

Perhaps the police might want to investigate this one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfl6Lu3xQW0

 :)
Title: Re: A proper use of police time and resources?
Post by: L.A. on May 10, 2016, 10:22:21 AM
Or indeed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsQM9HKtvA4
Title: Re: A proper use of police time and resources?
Post by: Gonnagle on May 10, 2016, 10:29:14 AM
Dear Shaker,

The story must be a spoof, there are no Hun fans in Coatbridge ::) ::)

Gonnagle.
Title: Re: A proper use of police time and resources?
Post by: SqueakyVoice on May 10, 2016, 10:36:34 AM
The problem is that virtually anything that we may say or do may be deemed offensive by someone. I think there is a real question as to whether this is a matter that the police should be involved in or whether  a simple complaint to utube might be more appropriate?

Or has our society finally abandoned common sense totally?
Well, so far the facts we know are the police were informed of this video, investigated it and made an arrest. The police statement says this caused offence to "many people", not "someone".

But, without having seen the video, you're prepared to speculate that the police are in error as to whether this case should be investigated/ lead to an arrest/ be prosecuted, based not on the law, but "common sense"?

Excuse me a second, there are some kangaroos wearing wigs at the door. BRB  ::)
Title: Re: A proper use of police time and resources?
Post by: L.A. on May 10, 2016, 10:49:55 AM
Well, so far the facts we know are the police were informed of this video, investigated it and made an arrest. The police statement says this caused offence to "many people", not "someone".

But, without having seen the video, you're prepared to speculate that the police are in error as to whether this case should be investigated/ lead to an arrest/ be prosecuted, based not on the law, but "common sense"?

Excuse me a second, there are some kangaroos wearing wigs at the door. BRB  ::)

I was speaking in general and I stand by my statement. If you make any statement that is even slightly controversial (or possibly something not generally considered controversial at all) you are likely to offend someone - and everyone now believes that they have an inalienable right not to be offended.

So what does that do for freedom of speech?

But of course you are right, the fact that we are not allowed to see this video means we can never know what the 'trigger level' might be for police intervention. Any one of us might inadvertently make a comment on this board and find the police smashing down our front door at 2am.