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Religion and Ethics Discussion => Theism and Atheism => Topic started by: trippymonkey on May 10, 2016, 08:58:18 PM

Title: Guilty As Charged ?!!??!
Post by: trippymonkey on May 10, 2016, 08:58:18 PM
Are the three religions of Judaism, Christianity & Islam 'guilty' of creating weird personality cults ?
Title: Re: Guilty As Charged ?!!??!
Post by: Bubbles on May 11, 2016, 07:14:29 AM
Are the three religions of Judaism, Christianity & Islam 'guilty' of creating weird personality cults ?

No, people are.

Title: Re: Guilty As Charged ?!!??!
Post by: trippymonkey on May 11, 2016, 07:27:18 AM
You know what I mean, Rose !!!
ALL religions are created by people anyway !?!!?!? No ???
Title: Re: Guilty As Charged ?!!??!
Post by: jeremyp on May 11, 2016, 07:32:10 AM
You know what I mean, Rose !!!
ALL religions are created by people anyway !?!!?!? No ???

Is shoplifting guilty of theft?
Title: Re: Guilty As Charged ?!!??!
Post by: trippymonkey on May 11, 2016, 08:15:07 PM
MMM Nobody wants to admit I'm right on this one ?!!?? ;)
Oh Dear !?!?!? ::) I'll simplify - you pedants !!!

Are Jews, Christians & Muslims guilty of creating personality cults with their main 'leaders, ie Jesus, Mohammed etc ????
Title: Re: Guilty As Charged ?!!??!
Post by: jeremyp on May 12, 2016, 01:08:45 AM
MMM Nobody wants to admit I'm right on this one ?!!?? ;)
Oh Dear !?!?!? ::) I'll simplify - you pedants !!!

Are Jews, Christians & Muslims guilty of creating personality cults with their main 'leaders, ie Jesus, Mohammed etc ????

Hmm, why do you name the personalities at the head of Christianity and Islam but Judaism only gets an "etc"?



Title: Re: Guilty As Charged ?!!??!
Post by: Hope on May 12, 2016, 06:30:57 AM
Are the three religions of Judaism, Christianity & Islam 'guilty' of creating weird personality cults ?
No more than any other part of society.
Title: Re: Guilty As Charged ?!!??!
Post by: Hope on May 12, 2016, 06:32:49 AM
ALL religions are created by people anyway !?!!?!? No ???
Evidence required
Title: Re: Guilty As Charged ?!!??!
Post by: Hope on May 12, 2016, 06:35:18 AM
MMM Nobody wants to admit I'm right on this one ?!!?? ;)
Oh Dear !?!?!? ::) I'll simplify - you pedants !!!

Are Jews, Christians & Muslims guilty of creating personality cults with their main 'leaders, ie Jesus, Mohammed etc ????
Are Buddhists, Hindus, sports fans, music-lovers, literature-lovers, politicians and politically-minded people, Jains, animists, Pagans, spiritualists, ..., 'guilty' of creating personality cults? 

Perhaps more importantly, is the 'cult' based about the person or the teachings/material of such folk?  I accept that in some cases, the individual or at least a high status organisation create a cult and impose it on the populace - this can be seen with the likes of Lenin, Stalin, Mao, North Korea, etc. - but the three groups you refer to in your OP actually developed from grassroots up.
Title: Re: Guilty As Charged ?!!??!
Post by: Stranger on May 12, 2016, 07:11:54 AM
ALL religions are created by people anyway !?!!?!? No ???
Evidence required

They all originate with humans preaching or writing something - if you think those people had external input from somewhere else, it's up to you to produce additional evidence.

Which brings us right back to the question you keep dodging; if you think any religion is correct, how do we objectively distinguish true claims from false (necessarily the majority)?

No, I don't mean a scientific or materialistic means - I mean any objective method at all. If you are going to say (again) that you've answered before, please provide a link.
Title: Re: Guilty As Charged ?!!??!
Post by: trippymonkey on May 12, 2016, 07:27:23 AM
SKOS
Thank you as you 'said' what I meant.
When I cited the 3 Semitic religions it was because I feel THEY have caused the most 'damage' re the world as it is today, from their BELIEFS !! not truths.
Title: Re: Guilty As Charged ?!!??!
Post by: Bubbles on May 12, 2016, 07:57:39 AM
Every idea, religious or not, tends to create comment and other ideas.

Some people follow, while others move on.

Think of great scientists who led with ideas of their time, like Darwin, Newton etc.

People followed their ideas, but others came along and adapted their ideas and evidence. Newton for example, his ideas were adapted to suit the evidence. Einstein came along.

People do that with religion too.

They start with an existing idea, and change it slightly, to become something else.

Science tends to use the physical universe, religion draws on books and personal experience.

It's what humans do, take an idea, and make it their own in some way.

IMO  :)

You can get scientists who find it hard to accept new evidence too 🌹 And sometimes the names of famous scientists like Einstein can end up as a weird personality cult among his followers.

It would take a brave Scientist to challenge the ideas of Einstein, that's because he is considered a genius,

In a way science can have its own weird personality cults  :)
Title: Re: Guilty As Charged ?!!??!
Post by: trippymonkey on May 12, 2016, 09:16:16 AM
Agreed !!
We have some here that think The Bible MUST be taken completely literally AND according to their own understanding - nobody else matters.
That's OK for THEM but they think we ALL should do & think as THEY do.
You know who this is ...?!?!!?  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Guilty As Charged ?!!??!
Post by: floo on May 12, 2016, 10:25:51 AM
Evidence required

Can you prove they weren't?
Title: Re: Guilty As Charged ?!!??!
Post by: Shaker on May 12, 2016, 11:17:26 AM
Can you prove they weren't?
Nice one Floo ;D
Title: Re: Guilty As Charged ?!!??!
Post by: Sebastian Toe on May 12, 2016, 12:57:14 PM
Evidence required

You have had lots evidence presented to you over many years and in many forms.
The fact is that you choose to ignore it!  ::)

Title: Re: Guilty As Charged ?!!??!
Post by: ippy on May 12, 2016, 02:19:39 PM
You have had lots evidence presented to you over many years and in many forms.
The fact is that you choose to ignore it!  ::)

Nice one ST, I like it.

ippy
Title: Re: Guilty As Charged ?!!??!
Post by: Jack Knave on May 12, 2016, 08:10:49 PM
MMM Nobody wants to admit I'm right on this one ?!!?? ;)
Oh Dear !?!?!? ::) I'll simplify - you pedants !!!

Are Jews, Christians & Muslims guilty of creating personality cults with their main 'leaders, ie Jesus, Mohammed etc ????
This is just human nature. People do this with allsorts of people types. Especially where there are deep seated ideologies.