Religion and Ethics Forum
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Ricky Spanish on June 04, 2016, 10:19:48 AM
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.. that new traffic can only see a small group of individuals bitching and whining about each other, with no discussions or debates happening to take their interest.
The definition of a "clique" personified.
Do you want "outsiders" to join in or not?
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.. that new traffic can only see a small group of individuals bitching and whining about each other,
Yeah, and we all know who to blame about that don't we.
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.. that new traffic can only see a small group of individuals bitching and whining about each other, with no discussions or debates happening to take their interest.
The definition of a "clique" personified.
Do you want "outsiders" to join in or not?
Well there are those IMHO who want people off the board and have had a measure of success in their campaign. The only way the 'Exclusive' brigade want new recruits are people to agree with them and victims who to despatch.
Of course no one is going to sign up to that.
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Oh the irony! :D
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Oh the irony! :D
Come on we know there are and have been serious secularisers on this board who think that religion should have no public forum. Although quite a few of those want a supply of theists in order to satisfy the lust for excluding religion.
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Come on we know there are and have been serious secularisers on this board who think that religion should have no public forum.
Name one.
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Name one.
Boaty McBoatface.
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Boaty McBoatface.
Who?
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As bluey would say, in which we see Trollboy, humiliated by his inability to back up his claim, resort to diversionary stupidity.
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We do want new people to join us! I dunno about people wanting to get rid of others, that seems stupid to me, but we could all avoid 'pouncing' as sometimes it's better to say nothing. There has to be diversity.
This board is busier than most though. Less so recently, I hope I haven't bored anyone off the forum. If anyone feels like that they can tell me and I'll keep quiet for a while.
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As bluey would say, in which we see Trollboy, humiliated by his inability to back up his claim, resort to diversionary stupidity.
No we all know that this forum is regularly spring cleaned and often incriminating posts are expunged from the system leading to the possibility of denial.
Why do you go on about screenshooting posts eh? (although I foolishly haven't screenshot any of the posts where you mention doing so)
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No we all know that this forum is regularly spring cleaned and often incriminating posts are expunged from the system leading to the possibility of denial.
What we know is that you made a claim that you can't substantiate.
Why do you go on about screenshooting posts eh?
Future reference can be useful sometimes.
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What we know is that you made a claim that you can't substantiate.
Turd polishing.
Why would you want to screenshot posts Shaker?.....as far as I can see it's because you are not satisfied by the preservation and security of posts on this forum.
Come on Shaker the suppression of religion is one's online life's work for many on this board.
How far would you go in suppressing religion without compromising your liberal image?
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Boaty McBoatface.
You troll decent threads into oblivion, Vlad. It's so unnecessary and does you no credit.
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You troll decent threads into oblivion, Vlad. It's so unnecessary and does you no credit.
Justify this statement please.
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As bluey would say, in which we see Trollboy, humiliated by his inability to back up his claim, resort to diversionary stupidity.
Shaker....................... somebody has voted that religion should have no public forum on a poll on this forum.
Please respond with your apology to me.
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Justify this statement please.
I don't need to. Leaving aside the fact that it's self-evident, you know it. But as you also quote-mine, twist the words of others and lie outright I don't expect you to develope a conscience about it any time soon.
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Justify this statement please.
Read your posts!
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I don't need to. Leaving aside the fact that it's self-evident, you know it. But as you also quote-mine, twist the words of others and lie outright I don't expect you to develope a conscience about it any time soon.
I'll ask again............ evidence please.
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I'll ask again............ evidence please.
You can ask as much as you like.
Irritating when people don't produce the evidence that you want, isn't it? Just like when people ask you for evidence for the religious beliefs that you hold and it's never forthcoming.
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You can ask as much as you like.
Irritating when people don't produce the evidence that you want, isn't it?
Well all my posts are still there, well, most of them.
Indicate where I have called somebody say, a bad name like....er....I don't know.....Trollboy perhaps.
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Justify this statement please.
Reply #6.
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Reply #6.
Events have overtaken you I'm afraid Shaker.
Someone has voted that religion should have no public forum.
I await your apology.
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Events have overtaken you I'm afraid Shaker.
Not so much that your reply #6 wasn't and isn't a perfect example of the trolling that Rhiannon mentioned.
Someone has voted that religion should have no public forum.
For all any of us know that person is you, Vlad.
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For all any of us know that person is you, Vlad.
Proof?
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Proof?
There isn't any - but given that you started said thread and created said poll, the suspicion that you did so purely to 'show' that there's at least one person on the forum who thinks that religion should have no public platform isn't an unreasonable one, as I see it.
We could try asking that lone voter to step forward, of course ...
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Why is Vlad asking for proof for something that Shaker has said we don't know?
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There isn't any -
Thank you.
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Why is Vlad asking for proof for something that Shaker has said we don't know?
Because Vlad aka Trollboy (© bluehillside, 2016) is to clear thought as Stephen Hawking is to line dancing.
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Why is Vlad asking for proof for something that Shaker has said we don't know?
He suggested that I may have voted to discredit him......in order, presumably, to discredit me.
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You don't give the impression of needing outside help in the discrediting stakes, Vladdychops.
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Because Vlad aka Trollboy (© bluehillside, 2016) is to clear thought as Stephen Hawking is to line dancing.
.....And this reply is exactly why people don't want to join the board.......Ta Da.
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In the words of somebody or other: "Justify this statement please."
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He suggested that I may have voted to discredit him......in order, presumably, to discredit me.
No he didn't. He said for all anyone knows you could have been the one to vote a certain way.
I've already said you do yourself no credit. Why so keen to carry on in the same vein?
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In the words of somebody or other: "Justify this statement please."
In the words of John Shaft.......''Justify it yourself, Shitty''
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Dear Farmer,
Actually and just a thought ( yes I do think there is an element of bickering ) if you log out of the forum, it does look a bit boring, maybe the front page you see could be a bit more inviting, something like "all welcome, even if you are a Rastafarian, spaghetti monster, Christian, devil worshiping, atheist".
And Mods, that agreement thingy, it is very lawyerly, any chance we could spice that up, something like " hello and welcome, thank you for choosing the best debating forum on the whole net, we promise not to eat you, well not in your first week, but we do have a few rules, purely for your own safety".
Just a thought :)
Gonnagle.
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In which Vladdychops abandons even the pretence of serious discussion, pt. 33194959.
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Dear Wonderful Forum Members,
You are bickering, no you are, no really, you are ::)
Gonnagle.
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In which Vladdychops abandons even the pretence of serious discussion, pt. 33194959.
I'm sorry but you made a point, It was proved incorrect and you've attempted to turd polish it back to correctness. How can this therefore be a discussion described as serious.
There are people out there who want no public forum for religion.
How did you vote?
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I'm sorry but you made a point
Which one?
It was proved incorrect
Where?
There are people out there who want no public forum for religion.
Very possibly. But instead of a vague, handy wavy 'out there' you claimed that there have been and are members of this forum who hold that opinion* - a claim which we all know you haven't substantiated yet, and a lone vote which may have been your own hardly counts.
How did you vote?
I didn't, or haven't.
* (Reply #4: "Come on we know there are and have been serious secularisers on this board who think that religion should have no public forum").
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I've not voted either. I do not agree with and wouldn't vote for the last one; the others just seem like so much white noise.
And voting would be playing Vlad's game; I'm not inclined to do that.
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Which one?
You don't know? I'm not surprised since you've been talking yourself up your own reticulum for the post hour.
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You don't know?
No - any more than you do, or you'd have answered the question.
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And voting would be playing Vlad's game; I'm not inclined to do that.
Game? What? democracy? oh no don't get involved in that.
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Game? What? democracy? oh no don't get involved in that.
Twisting again, Vlad.
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Twisting again, Vlad.
What? like we did last summer?
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Which point did I make which was proved incorrect, Vlad?
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Oh dear ;D
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IMO.
There are also too many Categories and topics and sub-topics and sub-sub-topics!!
Makes it really difficult to navigate...
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If this thread doesn't demonstrate beyond doubt why the Forum isn't getting new members nothing on earth will!
And who started the rot . . . ?
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If this thread doesn't demonstrate beyond doubt why the Forum isn't getting new members nothing on earth will!
And who started the rot . . . ?
Don't tell us .....on this board where the vast majority of posters are non Christian it'll be the Christians.
I think we also have to look at where forum membership has haemorrhaged.
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Don't tell us .....on this board where the vast majority of posters are non Christian it'll be the Christians.
I think we also have to look at where forum membership has haemorrhaged.
Are you actually a Christian Vlad? You say you are, but quite frankly you don't do the faith any favours whatsoever!
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Are you actually a Christian Vlad? You say you are, but quite frankly you don't do the faith any favours whatsoever!
I suppose you like your Christians to be the shy and retiring Derek Nimmo type. A secular humanist with a bit of a strange sunday hobby.
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Are you actually a Christian Vlad? You say you are, but quite frankly you don't do the faith any favours whatsoever!
The late great Muhammed Ali made a speech about how ''the white man should reflect on those aspects He (the white man) couldn't see in himself because He thought he was alright.
Now I think that might be a tad racist for this day and age.
Ali never had the luxury of being a 'white man' but I have had the luxury of being a secular humanist and secular humanists aren't exempt from a need to examine themselves. One aspect of your modern secular humanist is the idea that they are a consumer who needs everything to be sold and packaged just right before it is acceptable....Tailored to their needs.......Not everything is like that and we need to overcome sometimes ,having our sensibilities disrupted.
Floo, I suggests you now take God on directly and spend a month in a monastic environment.....or a few days on retreat with yer hubby.
As they say....only Nixon could go to china.
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The late great Muhammed Ali made a speech about how ''the white man should reflect on those aspects He (the white man) couldn't see in himself because He thought he was alright.
Now I think that might be a tad racist for this day and age.
Ali never had the luxury of being a 'white man' but I have had the luxury of being a secular humanist and secular humanists aren't exempt from a need to examine themselves. One aspect of your modern secular humanist is the idea that they are a consumer who needs everything to be sold and packaged just right before it is acceptable....Tailored to their needs.......Not everything is like that and we need to overcome sometimes ,having our sensibilities disrupted.
Floo, I suggests you now take God on directly and spend a month in a monastic environment.....or a few days on retreat with yer hubby.
As they say....only Nixon could go to china.
I have taken god on and won! :D As usual you didn't deal with the question I asked you!
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Seems like your problem, Vladdychops, is that although you claim to have been a secular humanist, perhaps you just weren't very good at it, as your post above demonstrates.
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I have taken god on and won! :D As usual you didn't deal with the question I asked you!
Why do I then get the idea that my name is going to get dragged into the discussion by you when you actually do meet your maker?
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Seems like your problem, Vladdychops, is that although you claim to have been a secular humanist, perhaps you just weren't very good at it
...And thank God I wasn't.
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You can thank whatever fictional characters that happen to roast your potatoes - however, if you'd been better at the secular humanism you claim to have espoused, you wouldn't talk so much utter shite about it now from the viewpoint of the other belief system that you now claim, equally dubiously.
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You can thank whatever fictional characters that happen to roast your potatoes - however, if you'd been better at the secular humanism you claim to have espoused, you wouldn't talk so much utter shite about it now from the viewpoint of the other belief system that you now claim, equally dubiously.
I can't quite see secular humanism as represented by BHA and NSS as a completely unalloyed wondrous phenomena as you do.
I think somewhere along the line you have suspended your usual scepticism in which you are normally so proud.
When Ali stated that the white man should reflect he did not say that he should then throw himself under a bus.
I think the problem is though Shaker that apatheism really does bother you because when they become unapathetic you don't know in what cause that will be.
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Vlad's found some new words to misuse. Bless.
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Vlad's found some new words to misuse. Bless.
OK if a moderator isn't going to get this back on track......I'll have to.
The problem for people coming on this board is the see the IMHO appaling treatment of the likes of Nick Marks and claques of people rolling around the decks unmoderated seeking out a character they call ''Trollboy''.
How more unedifying can it get.
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A great deal - see some of the posts by the theistic contingent. If Hopeless was in charge, there'd be no marriage equality. If Sassy was in charge, there'd be no places of worship of any faith other than Christianity. In other words, a pretty complete trampling of reigious pluralism and religious freedom in a secular society.
I don't think that really stacks up against critique of your beliefs, however much it suits the old martyr complex to claim otherwise.
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I d not seen Nick Marks get mistreated. We were all glad when he came back and it's a shame he's gone again.
No idea what his posts were about but I always liked reading his slightly trippy cosmic God energy stuff.
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OK if a moderator isn't going to get this back on track......I'll have to.
The problem for people coming on this board is the see the IMHO appaling treatment of the likes of Nick Marks and claques of people rolling around the decks unmoderated seeking out a character they call ''Trollboy''.
How more unedifying can it get.
I don't seek you out, Vlad - on more than one occasion I'd have been glad to see you stop omh and leave a thread completely though.
Don't want to be called Trollboy - don't troll. It's not difficult.
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Re: Sparky Marks - There was a lot about electricity, I remember.
I always thought he worked for EON, but then admittedly I did skim a lot.
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Re: Sparky Marks - There was a lot about electricity, I remember.
I always thought he worked for EON, but then admittedly I did skim a lot.
He did once say he had a laboratory in which to test his ideas. That was rather alarming.
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Why do I then get the idea that my name is going to get dragged into the discussion by you when you actually do meet your maker?
I am not likely to meet my parents again now they are dead!
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A great deal - see some of the posts by the theistic contingent. If Hopeless was in charge, there'd be no marriage equality. If Sassy was in charge, there'd be no places of worship of any faith other than Christianity. In other words, a pretty complete trampling of reigious pluralism and religious freedom in a secular society.
I don't think that really stacks up against critique of your beliefs, however much it suits the old martyr complex to claim otherwise.
We aren't talking about viewpoints though we are talking about whether this forum runs like a kind of playground or like some town centre at night.
There are means of shutting down debate and attempted control by whose on by personalising attacks and IMHO they are all being employed here.
It is a sinister and unwelcome place to be and only hardy theists who feel that the religious view has a place hang on although depending on where the tactics of the claque go next, but with 2 respondents stating on this forum that religion should have no public forum as far as I can see it there can only be another exodus.
The New atheist approach is that the end justifies the means and therefore Jews, Moslems, Christians, members of eastern religions are prepared to abandon the forum as a little enclave of antitheism.
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Dear Rhiannon,
He did once say he had a laboratory in which to test his ideas. That was rather alarming.
Did he!! :P :P Can't remember that one, I do remember him chuntering on about nervous energy, citing football matches, something that science is looking into.
http://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/footfall-cities-future-harness-energy
Gonnagle.
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He did once say he had a laboratory in which to test his ideas. That was rather alarming.
Why? can you claim genuine concern for him?
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There are means of shutting down debate and attempted control by whose on by personalising attacks and IMHO they are all being employed here.
In which the poster who's never shown any inclination to debate anything, preferring instead to do his level best to wreck an otherwise interesting forum with dull nihilism, outright dishonesty and gratuitous abuse complains that other people are "shutting down debate".
Unedifying Trollboy, unedifying.
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I don't need to. Leaving aside the fact that it's self-evident, you know it. But as you also quote-mine, twist the words of others and lie outright I don't expect you to develope a conscience about it any time soon.
If it was so self-evident you would not have been required to tell him or make a statement.
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Not so much that your reply #6 wasn't and isn't a perfect example of the trolling that Rhiannon mentioned.For all any of us know that person is you, Vlad.
You gotta ask yourself who asked the question to get the answer.
That would be YOU... You asked the question so you are responsible for both question and answer..
WHO WAS TROLLING FIRST THEN?
You MR SHAKER.... just you....
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with 2 respondents stating on this forum that religion should have no public forum
Who and where?
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Proof?
Shaker thinks 'proof' only applies to Alcohol. ;D
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Sassy,
WHO WAS TROLLING FIRST THEN?
Trollboy - see Reply 1.
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Sassy,
Trollboy - see Reply 1.
... soon followed by #6.
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There are means of shutting down debate and [of] attempted control by whose on by personalising attacks and IMHO they are all being employed here.
Like your neverending trolling by posting total rubbish short posts full of -isms that you have no idea of the meaning of when you are shown to have made yet another daft comment
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Like your neverending trolling by posting total rubbish short posts full of -isms that you have no idea of the meaning of when you are shown to have made yet another daft comment
I don't think talking about -isms is trolling Owlsxkwing, they do it in universities and that.
This forum has become so wrapped up in itself it's got different meanings for words
E.g Trolling-To talk about ''isms'', To disagree with Bluehillside, To be a theist.
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I don't think talking about -isms is trolling Owlsxkwing, they do it in universities and that.
This forum has become so wrapped up in itself it's got different meanings for words
E.g Trolling-To talk about ''isms'', To disagree with Bluehillside, To be a theist.
. . . to be a twit who uses -isms that he doesn't understand the meanings of - even when people, far more erudite that either him or me, explain his errors in the usage of such -isms!
. . . to think he is clever than everyone else
. . . to come up with un-funny puns - now THAT is an achievement.
Farewell Vladimir.
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I know.. it does stink of a clique does it not!