Religion and Ethics Forum
Religion and Ethics Discussion => Muslim Topic => Topic started by: trippymonkey on June 13, 2016, 09:00:15 AM
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In light of yesterday's bloody atrocities in an Orlando Gay Club, can anyone here explain Islam's view on homosexuality & how it's dealt with or ordered to be dealt with by Muslims ???
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This is an interesting link
http://variety.com/2015/voices/opinion/islam-gay-marriage-beliefs-muslim-religion-1201531047/
http://www.missionislam.com/knowledge/homosexuality.htm
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One guy appears to be back peddling furiously on what he meant.
http://fusion.net/story/313063/orlando-terror-attack-muslim-lgbt/
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This one shows that in the USA at least there are mixed views on it, among Muslims.
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2015/07/muslim-gay-150712061122712.html
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Just a few more things to see if we allow this to continue .....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Gld9hERDU0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgLWcsbOD8k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNvoImGJBnQ
What a lovely religion !?!?!?
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Should we be surprised when people think this is OK too ?!?!!?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTeAB4l0KCM
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Is there anybody here who actually believes or even KNOWS whether the spirit, the thing inside our bodies that 'thinks' & moves it around, is male or female ?!!?!?
Can this be possible ?!!?!?
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Why is this on the Muslim Topic as well as being in General?
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Cos we're trying to make sense - ha ha bloody ha - as to what Islam & muslims say about homosexuality. Weren't those bastards anti-gay muslims who murdered in that gay bar ?!?!!?!?!?
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Cos we're trying to make sense - ha ha bloody ha - as to what Islam & muslims say about homosexuality. Weren't those bastards anti-gay muslims who murdered in that gay bar ?!?!!?!?!?
Nick, there was only one killer in that bar until the police killed him. Do we yet know how (or if) the killer was related to Islamic terrorism? It would appear that he terrorised his wife over a number of years before she left him.
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It appears it was a lone gunman who was ''self-radicalised''. An unstable character. Hope is right that he abused his wife.
Comparisons can be made with that Norwegian chap, Breivik, who massacred a group of kids on holiday a few years ago.
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Nick, there was only one killer in that bar until the police killed him. Do we yet know how (or if) the killer was related to Islamic terrorism? It would appear that he terrorised his wife over a number of years before she left him.
He claimed to be acting for IS in a phone call before the attack and he had been investigated twice by the F B I for terrorist linked activities but each file had been closed, hence his ability to LEGALLY buy a pair of firearms inculding an assault rifle as per rules imposed/saved from change after previous mass killings by Senators and Congressmen paid by the N R A** to ensuere that the rules are not significantly changed.
** See tonight's Evening Standard article on the lack of action after various such shootings
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See also how Islamic majority countries deal with homosexuality.
Throwing them from high buildings is the norm I believe.
Is it any wonder that the attitudes of Muslims who do live in more enlightened countries are influenced to be anti gay?
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Reaction to Orlando shooting in the Arab speaking world is largely in strong support of the shooter. Read the link below to see how BBC's Arabic channel and Al Jazeera report the issue...... Unbelievable and very scary.
http://www.arabhumanists.org/arab-reaction-orlando-depressing/
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You seem surprised - I'm bloody well NOT !!!!!!
Bastards !!!
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Reaction to Orlando shooting in the Arab speaking world is largely in strong support of the shooter. Read the link below to see how BBC's Arabic channel and Al Jazeera report the issue...... Unbelievable and very scary.
http://www.arabhumanists.org/arab-reaction-orlando-depressing/
Un believeable? Not if you have read any of thge reports of treatment of gays in any of the Middle Eastern muslim countries or the demands of Muslim clerics in the West.
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Makes one glad to be living in an EU country.
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Comments on blog posts or Twitter are not representative. Otherwise you could assume that the typical western male's response to a feminist is to threaten to rape her.
This kind of social media brings out the trolls, the wums, the wankers and the seriously disturbed. We can't take it as representing any more than that.
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Is there anybody here who actually believes or even KNOWS whether the spirit, the thing inside our bodies that 'thinks' & moves it around, is male or female ?!!?!?
Can this be possible ?!!?!?
Is it gendered in the first place?
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Yes It would make more sense if it weren't, no ?!!?!?
OR SOME at least ?!!?!?
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Is it gendered in the first place?
Does it actually exist in the first place?
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Is there anybody here who actually believes or even KNOWS whether the spirit, the thing inside our bodies that 'thinks' & moves it around, is male or female ?!!?!?
Can this be possible ?!!?!?
I assumed you didn't mean 'God' Trippy, just our own spirit. I've never thought about that before, I suppose I unconsciously believed that, as I am of the female gender, so is my spirit.
Anyway I found this on a site called 'Quora' (which is a quite bizarre site in some ways but there isn't much on the 'net about this, only about God), and I note it doesn't differentiate between soul and spirit:
"Is the spirit or soul "Male" or "Female"?
Nuno Desa
The Soul is outside of the polarity of male/female, having both energies within. So it's always a mistake, or perhaps a great bending of concept, to call a Soul as "he" or "she".
Having said that, it is possible that on some level, at some point in time, by its characteristics, traits, preferences, and general ways of being, that a Soul, for a time, identifies itself - or chooses to manifest itself to others - as one specific gender, or alignment.
The Universe, after all, is fundamentally divided in Divine Feminine and Divine Masculine (or may be considered in these two base components at a conceptual level)."
I'd be interested to know what Sririam believes about this.
However I fail to see what it has to do with this topic!
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I DID mean our spirit, yes.
How can a spirit be male or female anyway??? If so how would it physically express itself without a body ??
If NOT & we're all kinda neutral then being 'gay' ha ha ha is totally irrelevant as it wouldn't exist, no ???
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Blimey, what has being gay got to do with a male or female spirit? Gayness is a sexual orientation, applicable to both sexes, not a gender issue.
What has this to do with the Orlando murders trippy?
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COS certain religions, not mentioning like !!!!, think being gay is entirely a choice !!!!
I don't think that so it begs the question about what sexuality has the inner being or spirit IF it has one, that is ?!!?!?!?
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There are a lot of people who think being gay is a choice, including Christians. I've come across this time and time again and they are entrenched in their way of thinking, we bang our heads against a brick wall trying to show them otherwise. A very narrow view, one reason why I don't like posting on forums (and haven't for years) that are solely Christian. I don't think they are representative of mainstream Christianity but they think that people like myself are 'liberal' - "God didn't create people gay", etc.
However, 'the inner spirit' has no gender and gender is not to do with gayness. Sexual orientation is a different matter and I have no idea whether or not our spirits have sexual orientation - is mine a heterosexual one? Or is it neutral? Who knows?
Still nowt to do with the Orlando shooting, I can't imagine the shooter was thinking about his victims' spirits. And it wouldn't be a bad idea if you stopped tarring all Muslims with the same brush and being so focused on Islam as a religion. That is a form of fanaticism. There are plenty of other religions and other issues.
Your excessive use of punctuation marks and sometimes your 'ha ha ha' are confusing and unnecessary.
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You really don't get it, do you !???
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Yes???!!!!! I get what you are trying to convey'''**!!!
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ONCE AGAIN THEN !!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!!?!?!?!??!
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!!!@@You are a bigot, you hate Islam and Muslims, every Muslim is guilty until proved innocent and Moderate Islam does not exist!!!???hee hee hee (me being childish by impersonating someone more childish).&*(^#$!"+
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Some of my best friends are Muslims. I don't hate Muslims & I know FAR more about Islam & the Quran than you'd live long enough to find out - now go away please !!! HA HA HA
OH And please don't rant so loudly as the other side of town can here you !
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SSSSHHHhhhhhhhhhh please.
I'm always suspicious of anyone who says,"Some of my best friends are...."
However, pax Tripster. We ain't getting anywhere.
Night night, see you tomorrow on a different topic.
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SSSSHHHhhhhhhhhhh please.
I'm always suspicious of anyone who says,"Some of my best friends are...."
However, pax Tripster. We ain't getting anywhere.
Night night, see you tomorrow on a different topic.
OK OK OK OK !
Brownie and Trippy,
This is no longer a discussion, it has descended into a spat between two adults who are acting like two four-year-olds in a school playground.
The topic relates to 49 deaths and 53 serious gunshot injuries and a country ruled by people who are supposed to be representatives of those who elected them but are in the pay of the N R A, according to one America commentator/journalist, writing in the Evening Standard recently, to the tune of at least millions and possibly billions of dollars.
For the love of humanity, gay or straight, S T F U and start acting again like the adults we all know that you really are!
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YES You're quite right of course & I wholeheartedly apologise to all here - even brownie - as this issue is far more than any of us put together !!! :( :)
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YES You're quite right of course & I wholeheartedly apologise to all here - even brownie - as this issue is far more than any of us put together !!! :( :)
Thanks for that Trippy
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I too apologise, to Trippymonkey and all. :-[
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A nice big hug all round eh ?!?! Whatcha mean Sod Off !!! LOL
It's funny but all these kinds of spats we sometimes have on these boards doesn't mean we wouldn't be best friends outside !! We'd probably have a good laugh about it. ;)
Nick
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More than a good laugh, a curry and a pint I'd hope!
(Not halal of course;) )
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OOHH YUMMY Now Stop It !!!!!!
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I too apologise, to Trippymonkey and all. :-[
Thanks Brownie
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COS certain religions, not mentioning like !!!!, think being gay is entirely a choice !!!!
Nick, I'm not sure that any 'religion' has anything to say about whether it is a choice or not. Some may say that practising one's orientation in this way is wrong - but I'm not sure that any religion references orientation. OK, some here will say that 'orientation' was only recognised 150-odd years ago, but it would seem to have been around for centuries, and possibly known under a different name.