Jesus Christ taught us special righteous laws...it is no coincidence that those laws lead us to a deep and meaningful knowledge about all Creation...hence, by default, Jesus taught us what Almighty God already knew...that our human existence relies heavily on us grasping those complicated laws. We simply didn't have the intellect so Almighty God did the next best thing...he sent his only begotten son to live those laws and to show those who rather fancy repair, resurrection and everlasting life that it can only be achieved by following those righteous laws...ok.
The best advice that anyone can offer those who don't think this is true is...follow the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ and thereby make this terrible world a better place...and also be in with a shout when that final trumpet blows.
the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ
I have read the Bible many times but have funnily enough have never come across the electric/spiritual universe idea. :D
Nick I think you only posted this thread in order to generate
ippy,Will he have the capacitance to understand that?
Watt?
Will he have the capacitance to understand that?
Seb,
I'm going ohm!
I laughed so much my side hertz!
[My wife mentioned last night that the spark in our marriage had gone. So I tazered her!
I'll ask her if she's changed her mind when/if she wakes up.
...but there is a serious side to my post.
I have a vision of NM with a halo of electric sparks popping out of his head. :D
I think this is going to be quite an amusing thread.
Will he have the capacitance to understand that?
Floo/ippy/SebatianToe/bluehillside:
I had some good belly laughs reading your responses but there is a serious side to my post. You see...if you at least tried to follow Jesus Christ's accurate teaching you would see that spiritual/electric forces are manipulating many hordes of people and often in a perilous way. We have electric laws controlling the stars and electric laws involved in all of science so we should consider Jesus' righteous and spiritual laws to be about the same substance...an electric plasma that emanates from life as well as stars. Of course, reading the Holy Bible with this in mind might give you an extra dimension to explore and this is good because all the mechanics of the universe and of science are maneuvered via dimensional interactions that only the Holy Bible seems to understand...oh and those who read it accurately.
Have you seen that old classic German silent film 'Metropolis', the only thing that doesn't fit is that the robot is female like, other than that, the way the robot is created fits in exactly with your imagination Floo.
The whole of that film 'Metropolis' has been remastered and is available on YouTube; the film's a bit like 'Star Trek', so good it must be reality.
ippy
bluehillside/Floo/ippy:
What you are telling me is that you are still intellectually unable to reason in Biblical terms...that's ok...that is part and parcel of the job in hand...which is to ensure that as many can understand and follow Jesus before that 'last trumpet'...I don't expect it to be easy.
So...in kindness to you I have substituted the word spiritual with the concept of 'electric/spiritual' because that brings us into the 21st century and brings us to the electric/spiritual universe that is proven to exist because from studying the word of Almighty God and Jesus Christ all the scientific laws in the universe unify into one science.
To my mind there can be no argument but I'm sure you will find some.
NM your mind appears to work in a very different way to that of others, you are a one off. :D
. Now...in another million years science might catch up...I doubt it...but they might have...but the impending fly by of the Wormwood star system means we wont find out from them.That's interesting Sparkster. You said that nobody knows the hour or the day, didn't you? But now here you are predicting that it will definitely be within one million years.
I suppose it does Floo...except, of course, those who try to follow righteousness accurately, and I humbly include Jesus Christ and Almighty God in that number. The universe is made from one single, though superabundant, 'dynamic energy'...or...'electric plasma' or God's fountain of living waters. There can be no argument. Modern science is almost saying the same thing but their refusal to accept Biblical teaching is their downfall. Now...in another million years science might catch up...I doubt it...but they might have...but the impending fly by of the Wormwood star system means we wont find out from them. Our only salvation is in following, accurately, the righteous teaching of Jesus Christ and has been every generation since his resurrection...The only problem being that since that time it has suited tyrants and their disclaimers to alter or deny his accurate teaching because it suits their power struggles. They have taken on Almighty God and are doomed to failure.
That's interesting Sparkster. You said that nobody knows the hour or the day, didn't you? But now here you are predicting that it will definitely be within one million years.
That's a bit presumptuous of you is it not?
Does that mean that you are God?
I haven't seen the film.
What you are telling me is that you are still intellectually unable to reason in Biblical terms...that's ok...that is part and parcel of the job in hand...which is to ensure that as many can understand and follow Jesus before that 'last trumpet'...I don't expect it to be easy.
So...
...in kindness to you I have substituted the word spiritual with the concept of 'electric/spiritual' because that brings us into the 21st century and brings us to the electric/spiritual universe that is proven to exist because from studying the word of Almighty God and Jesus Christ all the scientific laws in the universe unify into one science.
To my mind there can be no argument but I'm sure you will find some.
Keep the funnies coming NM. :D
It's not madness, and it's too late for a second referendum, if that's what you are suggesting. Looking at Andrew Neill on Sunday and he pointed out that most aspects of our economy have now recovered from the early hysteria (which some people are still wallowing in), and the prospects are encouraging. I also note a recent Nobel prize winner in economics has stated bluntly that we will not go into recession. So all the doom and gloom merchants, and scare-mongers perhaps had better think again.
In trying to trip me up Seb you are tripping yourself up. A million years is my estimate of when science might be saying something similar to God but they would demand a high fee.Really Nick, that's not what it looks like you said....
And Wormwood...if we consider the photos, the magnetic field upheavals and climate changesI would like to consider them Nick.
I would like to consider them Nick.
You must have already, so where are they?
BA,
Wrong thread perhaps?
Don't miss it Floo, it's a classic and free.
ippy
There are many voices of concern expressed on the internet Seb...but I am sure you are savvy on that point. My concern though is after Wormwood because then we will all be living by the righteous laws of Jesus Christ...except those of course, who are hurtling away from planet Earth trapped in a fiery lake of sulphur for ever and a day. There could be many more involved in salvation but Almighty God and Jesus Christ have made it clear...those who refuse righteousness will only contaminate the purity of God's plans which is everlasting life free from hardship, illness and evil. These (unsaved) will be considered guilty of all the offences against righteousness, all the wars, all the sorrows and all the disruption since Jesus' resurrection.
It is wise to start today, knowing you are following a science taught about from within the Holy Bible and from within Jesus' accurate teaching...but somehow I suspect you wont.
Sparky,
As you refuse point blank to tell us why you think any of these fantastical, logically hopeless, scientifically illiterate claims are true let me ask you a different question instead. Can you think of one reason - any reason will do - for anyone else to take you seriously?
Or do you intend to continue indefinitely with the ducking and diving?
Just to remind you bluehillside that it is the Holy Bible that holds all the accurate information but you have rejected that so...as a last ditch attempt to save you I am trying to show you that the Holy Bible incorporates a wonderful science which is well worth fitting into the Biblical equation because it shows Jesus as working from God's science of everything.
But each argument brings Wormwood ever closer and it is becoming obvious to me that you have a fascination for journeying on it for evermore. That is the beauty and the tragedy of taking or not taking Jesus seriously...your electric/spiritual entity that you scoff and ridicule over is made from an indestructible electric/spiritual material.
At least you have been told...but you are too clever to save yourself and maybe even others who might rely upon you.
There are many voices of concern expressed on the internet Seb...but I am sure you are savvy on that point.I am Niclueless I am.
Sparky,
Let's step back a little as you struggle with the difference between a question that begins "what" and one that begins "why".
Imagine that you turned up one day with a Tupperware box and I asked, "What's in the box Sparky?"
You might reply, say, "my cheese and pickle sandwiches." (OK, you might actually say something more like, "my wonderful, dynamic cheese and pickle sandwiches" or some such but let's let that pass for now.)
All clear so far? Good.
Imagine too that I then asked, "and why did you bring cheese and pickle sandwiches?"
You might answer, "because I'm too short of cash to go to Pret", or "because I only have ten minutes for lunch today" or something similar.
What you would not do though would be to reply, "cheese and pickle sandwiches".
And if you did do that nonetheless and I said, "yes, but the question was why did you bring cheese and pickle sandwiches?" you'd probably be even less likely to answer, "cheese and pickle sandwiches".
That's what's happening here though - essentially you're just saying "cheese and pickle sandwiches" over and over again. If you want to think that the "holy" Bible holds "accurate information" that's up to you, but it's only an answer to a "what" question (namely, "what's your personal opinion on the Bible?"). So far at least though, you've made not even the slightest effort to answer the question about why you think the Bible to be accurate, or indeed for it to be "holy".
How can I make this any simpler for you? You can't in other words just "remind" someone of something when you've not even bothered to demonstrate that something in the first place.
Is any of this sinking in yet?
Anything at all?
In what direction should we look for Wormwood?
The impending fly by of the Wormwood star system
What is this?
Please tell us where this Wormwood star system is to be found.
Let's look at this another way bluehillside...Let's say, after 2000 years you are invited to enter into a place of great safety providing you have the most up to date protection...which, as it turns out, is simply a coat of armour made out of a spiritual/electric force because then you will fit in nicely with those who are also wearing that same electric/spiritual protection. There is a terrible danger looming and you see no harm in trying to wing it a bit with those who offered the armour along with an undertaking from you that you will merit wearing it. But...and here is the rub...that spiritual armour is the mechanics by which salvation is achieved...no armour equals no protection...so no winging it.
It's really is as simple as that...that is how Judgment works...the fact that someone who sees the need for this armour recommends you listen accurately to the owner of that promise is secondary...but there we go.
Sparky,
Cheese and pickle sandwiches.
Cheese and pickle sandwiches.
Cheese and pickle sandwiches.
No, let's not. Let's start with your basic problem first of explaining why you think this or any other fanciful conjecture to be more likely to be true that just guessing and then - but only then - need we trouble ourselves with the details of your assertions.
If you still refuse point blank to tell us why you believe any of this stuff, will you at least tell us why you keep ducking and diving whenever you're asked the question?
What is this?
Please tell us where this Wormwood star system is to be found.
Well bluehillside...you don't deny that the Holy Bible exists do you?
So point one is that it does exist and it is filled with wonderful messages, with wonderful promises to those who can gently see through all the brain washing and misinformation of those who choose not to believe in it. It's all there...in that sacred writing plus many other wonderful claims.
Among those claims is the one where God says...through Isaiah, that all the stars are made from a wonderful dynamic energy or God's Mighty Power...now, 4000 years later, we find that scientists are saying everything is energy and it is blatantly obvious that all the stars are electric furnaces performing electrical manoeuvres that are yet not fully understood.
I can help...but I will do it in my own time...or rather, as I feel inspired to tell you.
Science says that all the fundamental forces in the universe must unify into one set of reasoning...
///well there it is, in black and white...Almighty God is the pivot point from where all this complex stuff has unification...but Jesus Christ showed us more than just science...
...he taught the mechanics behind resurrection...
...and I am afraid you will have to humble yourself a little to come even close.
So here are 3 very good reasons why you should believe in Jesus Christ and Almighty God...the 4th is Wormwood.
According to many observers it is coming from behind the sun. It keeps peeping from beyond it at certain times and has been seen from many points all over the world.' behind the sun' is a relative term Niclueless.
According to many observers it is coming from behind the sun...
According to many observers it is coming from behind the sun. It keeps peeping from beyond it at certain times and has been seen from many points all over the world. It is part of a partner solar system to our own called Nemesis and is reputed to have at least 8 planets and much debris associated with a brown dwarf star. Legend has it that it comes round on a regular orbit every few thousand years or so and causes great disturbance to this planet when it sweeps past. I have made the connection between this event and Wormwood because it fits in with the Biblical narrative in Revelation...but you can explore that yourself, as I did, and decide for yourself...YouTube is full of it.
How big is This Wormwood star? Is it bigger than our sun?
Khatru,There is some conjecture that there might be an object. Possibly a brown dwarf out there in a really big orbit of 10s or100s of thousands of years. However even if there is, the 'spottings' as described by Sparky are pure nonsense.
He told us a while ago that it's a whole "solar system"! Probably just as well really that there's no such thing.
According to many observers it is coming from behind the sun. It keeps peeping from beyond it at certain times and has been seen from many points all over the world. It is part of a partner solar system to our own called Nemesis and is reputed to have at least 8 planets and much debris associated with a brown dwarf star.
Legend has it that it comes round on a regular orbit every few thousand years or so and causes great disturbance to this planet when it sweeps past. I have made the connection between this event and Wormwood because it fits in with the Biblical narrative in Revelation...but you can explore that yourself, as I did, and decide for yourself...YouTube is full of it.
There is some conjecture that there might be an object. Possibly a brown dwarf out there in a really big orbit of 10s or100s of thousands of years. However even if there is, the 'spottings' as described by Sparky are pure nonsense.
According to many observers it is coming from behind the sun.
Seb,
Yes I know. This though was his claim:
Which is a long was from that. Who are these "many observers" I wonder, and what's "coming from behind the sun" exactly? I think that what we have here is just another of Sparky's made up "facts".
Oh well.
In your claims against me you are all in denial. In denial of the righteous teaching of Jesus Christ...the Holy Bible...many sincere Christians...science...many honest witnesses of thngs you ought to be concerned about...you are in denial of a possible escape route to all the misery beng inflicted upon this planet…
… and bluehillside you are in denial of scientific evidence…
… that recotds things like earthquakes and cameras that are constantly looking out into space.
No matter...it isn't my job to convince you of these things only to make you aware that it is an electric/spiritual universe that requires we follow special electric/spiritual laws that Jesus taught us called righteousness to protect yourselves against any eventuality including Wormwood.
But each argument brings Wormwood ever closer
Khatru,
He told us a while ago that it's a whole "solar system"! Probably just as well really that there's no such thing. You should be aware by the way that Sparky is prone to just making up his own "facts" to support his conjectures. He told me a while back for example that the incidence or earthquakes had increased (supposedly as some kind of portent) and then just ran away when the evidence that there was no such increase was given to him.
Ah well.
So the movement of this Wormwood star isn't determined by gravity and its orbit around the central core of our galaxy?
Rather, it moves in response to our arguments.
That's some crazy ju-ju you'vee got there.
You, Khatru, have know idea what gravity is. I say this boldly because science doesn't know either. Even so...the approach of this system is being reported and confirmed from many sources world-wide. It doesn't matter whether it bothers you or not...Wormwood is just a fiery lake of sulphur where those who have no resistance to its electric forces (now there is a clue about gravity) will be spiritually taken aboard and removed from the new heavens and the new Earth promised to those who...not necessarily call themselves Christian but certainly those who don't argue or fall-out with their neighbours or ridicule the things they simply don't understand.
The horrible thing is that if you have an indestructible spirit as Jesus tells us then whether righteous or not it will continue for all eternity. Better to survive on God's terms than on Wormwood's. It's all in the Holy Bible and in particular Revelation and it is wise to consult that source first instead of blindly ridiculing it as so many here choose to do.
All:
So it would appear that whilst you are all totally oblivious of the electric/spiritual nature of the universe you openly and without justification condemn the one that taught you this and in the same breath those who have found his teaching full of meaning, comfort, truth and sincerity.
That's ok...it is what the Holy Bible and in particular the Gospels tell us will happen...in the last days.
Science cannot deny the vast amounts of invisible dynamic energy that built the mass within this universe because they have their own version of it to support their own calculations. It is surprising though that you cannot see that this self same material that could build another 13 universal masses the same as this one is dismissed as inconsequential when Jesus Christ showed us all that it is indestructible and at work within each and every one of us if we follow certain righteous guidelines.
As it is the world is in total chaos and all you seem to want is more of the same. There are millions dispossessed or suffering great injustices...there are thousands hobbling round the supermarkets every day hardly able to put one foot in front of the other...there are people constantly taking their neighbours as suckers causing great hardship and distress on a frightening scale but you are content to ignore the one voice that warned us about all this confusion and died for us so that we can have a grasp of his special righteous laws that can put it all right.
You are electing yourselves as being unsuitable for the plans that Almighty God and Jesus Christ have in store for those who truly repent...repair...resurrection...and everlasting life...but I'm sure that you can see that rudeness, aggression and awkwardness will have no righteous rewards.
So it would appear that whilst you are all totally oblivious of the electric/spiritual nature of the universe…
…you openly and without justification condemn the one that taught you this and in the same breath those who have found his teaching full of meaning, comfort, truth and sincerity.
That's ok...it is what the Holy Bible and in particular the Gospels tell us will happen...in the last days.
Science cannot deny the vast amounts of invisible dynamic energy that built the mass within this universe because they have their own version of it to support their own calculations. It is surprising though that you cannot see that this self same material that could build another 13 universal masses the same as this one is dismissed as inconsequential when Jesus Christ showed us all that it is indestructible and at work within each and every one of us if we follow certain righteous guidelines.
As it is the world is in total chaos and all you seem to want is more of the same. There are millions dispossessed or suffering great injustices...there are thousands hobbling round the supermarkets every day hardly able to put one foot in front of the other...there are people constantly taking their neighbours as suckers causing great hardship and distress on a frightening scale…
.. but you are content to ignore the one voice that warned us about all this confusion and died for us so that we can have a grasp of his special righteous laws that can put it all right.
You are electing yourselves as being unsuitable for the plans that Almighty God and Jesus Christ have in store for those who truly repent...repair...resurrection...and everlasting life...
…but I'm sure that you can see that rudeness, aggression and awkwardness will have no righteous rewards.
The horrible thing is that if you have an indestructible spirit as Jesus tells us....
What do you mean "if"?
You claim that Jesus tells us we have an indestructible spirit, yet your own post shows that you doubt this.
Looks like you don't know what you're talking about.
Hmmm...you are coming along nicely Khatru...you are taking your lead from devout anti-christians.
'If' here means that 'if' as Jesus said we have...but in every context about Jesus I say his accurate teaching is absolute truth. So I am being polite accepting that everyone may not realise this truth. But here is the point. Our spirit must be of a special strength to succeed in resurrection...or, indeed, from the passing of Wormwood.
There is nothing clever in joining in with a mob...in my school we called it bullying but even that has electric/spiritual laws which I can help you with.
Hmmm...you are coming along nicely Khatru...you are taking your lead from devout anti-christians.
'If' here means that 'if' as Jesus said we have...but in every context about Jesus I say his accurate teaching is absolute truth. So I am being polite accepting that everyone may not realise this truth. But here is the point. Our spirit must be of a special strength to succeed in resurrection...or, indeed, from the passing of Wormwood.
There is nothing clever in joining in with a mob...in my school we called it bullying but even that has electric/spiritual laws which I can help you with.
Sparky,
First, you can't "not realise this truth" when you've provided no reason of any kind to think it is a truth - or at least a truth for people other than you.
Second, it's not "bullying" when more than one person follows the logic to the same conclusion. If one pupil says "2+2=5" and his classmates say, "actually 2+2=4" are they bullying him or just refusing to accept his mistake?
Third, no you can't "help" anyone - at least not until you finally manage to help yourself out of a position that's idiotic and dishonest. As you show no sign of being interested in doing that though, your "help" is about as much use as an inflatable dartboard.
Sparky,I gave up reading NM's posts ages ago. I enjoy reading the well-written responses, but think that, on the whole, his lack of any attempt to answer questions at all sensibly might be considered bad manners.
Stop lying - it's just boring.
I know it is difficult for you bluehillside...especially as you have now locked yourself into a position that would cause you great discomfort to back off from...
...but let's back off a little...I have told you and anyone else who will listen that the universe is made from an electric material...this I justify by pointing out there is trillions upon trillions of megatons of electric energy contained within trillions upon trillions of electric furnaces (stars)...neither you or science can dispute this claim.
That energy bursting out of every star didn't just get their...certain mechanics put it there...this is also taught in the Holy Bible and sadly for you most of what else I say is as well. So...the highest authority in the universe according to many taught us special righteous laws to benefit us from this energy...you cannot deny this because the account of Jesus Christ is well recorded and millions have found great comfort and faith from traumas and circumstances of an extremely dire nature...now, just wanting to rubbish that link with humanity you are bullying those who want a more peaceful existence as expressed by Jesus' teaching...so...top and bottom of it...you are leaving it too late to be safeguarded against the impending danger presented by Wormwood.
I am beginning to realise that the anti-Christ written of in the Holy Bible that will raise its ugly head in the last days is the personification of the body of people who are attracted to the doctrine and philosophy that there is no Christ even though the full force of evidence says there is.
I gave up reading NM's posts ages ago. I enjoy reading the well-written responses, but think that, on the whole, his lack of any attempt to answer questions at all sensibly might be considered bad manners.I read NM's posts. I find him invariably polite. I also don't think he lies.
I read NM's posts. I find him invariably polite. I also don't think he lies.
NS,I think you are applying your mind set to his and it doesn't work. He sees things his way and I don't think he sees the challenges as valid. I think you are projecting here. I take lying seriously, Vlad does it in misrepresenting others positions, I just don't see it in NM so don't make comments about it being charitable, as it implies that I am lying in my evaluation of NM for some reason if charity.
When mistakes are made ("Nemesis solar system", "humans springing from the loins of monkeys", "earthquakes are on the increase" etc) then it's fair to give the person making them the benefit of the doubt. When he continues to use them after he's been corrected though, I don't think the charge of lying is unreasonable.
I also take a less charitable position than you do about Sparky's behaviour. Truthfulness matters - just making up anything you like and calling it "righteous science" or some such is contemptible, and in the past (though not on this thread) he's said some disgusting things about people having terrible illnesses because they didn't share his faith beliefs.
I think you are applying your mind set to his and it doesn't work. He sees things his way and I don't think he sees the challenges as valid. I think you are projecting here.
I take lying seriously, Vlad does it in misrepresenting others positions, I just don't see it in NM so don't make comments about it being charitable, as it implies that I am lying in my evaluation of NM for some reason if charity.
As to the other accusations, citation please.
NS,
But it's Sparky who expects others to take his claims seriously. If asking him why anyone should do that is "projecting" then so be it, but it seems a valid question nonetheless. What other option is there other than, "Oh OK then" - both to him and to anyone else who claims his personal opinions as facts for the rest of us?
No it doesn't - it just implies that you take a less stringent approach than I do. He makes lots of assertions that are demonstrably wrong. He's corrected on them. He ignores the corrections repeats the mistakes. What else should we call that?
I'll try to find some.
I think you have to have evidence of deliberate intent to make an accusation of lying. In that my standards are more stringent. You are implying that I have different standards in the subject if lying because i am applying charity to Nick and thereby lying about what I think he is doing.
I realise that espousing the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ is contentious. Jesus said that the things they say about you they also said about me. It seems that many of you are sitting in a smug world where you have fought down every attempt to bring honour and respect to the Holy Bible and are angered that the true word of Jesus Christ is, in reality, above reproach.
I, for my part am just a sinner like you lot but I have seen the light and have simply tried to bring current events alive from the Holy Bible. Revelation 21 is worth reading if anyone wants to avoid the lake of fire and brimstone which you condemn me for mentioning and by putting Nibiru, Wormwood or Nemisis into your YouTube search engine will reveal everything I know about this returning star system which could easily blot out the light of the moon and darken our sun exactly as Jesus says it will.
There is much much more but suffice it to say that if the one you call a liar turns out to be telling you the truth...who then becomes the liar??
Sparky,
More "cheese and pickle sandwiches"? Really?
Ah well, personal opinions noted.
Now then - and yet again - WHY do you propose that anyone else should take these assertions seriously?
and by putting Nibiru, Wormwood or Nemisis into your YouTube search engine will reveal everything I know about this returning star systemNichlueless;
Hello, Nicholas
Good to see you posting again! Well, Prof Cox tells us everything is energy and energy is everywhere. The question is: what is this energy and where does it come from?
we just need to follow Jesus Christ accurately.
Not that you will find any satisfaction from my answer bluehillside...because it is in the Holy Bible...
It is in science...
…and it is in the mechanics of human nature who, since the resurrection of Jesus Christ, measure in their many millions...
…the perfect scientific proof that his teaching is repeatable over and over again.
Now, you will quote to me yet again that many other people have followed many other teachings over the years as well to which I will reply that this is scientific proof that we all have a spiritual nature which must be satisfied…
…and the only one that comes near to this comfort and satisfaction…
.. is the one that unifies all the fundamental force in nature which is the one taught by Jesus Christ,…
… to which you will reply, 'apples and jam' or something equally ridiculous.
...how, exactly?
NM how do you know what Jesus is supposed to have said was accurately reported, let alone has any veracity?
There is a theme that runs throughout the Holy Bible...God is a spirit...his superabundant 'dynamic energy' built all the stars...he is the owner of all science and all accurate knowledge...he sent his son to bring his teaching into sharp focus.
So what Jesus has to tell us is very important indeed. It is best to read it yourself and realise that there is a science involved in his teaching. That science revolves around us upbuilding a righteous spirit which can, besides offer us resurrection, can interact with our energy starved genetics and give them a new lease of life...oops...I'm moving o fast.
That science revolves around us upbuilding a righteous spirit which can, besides offer us resurrection, can interact with our energy starved genetics and give them a new lease of life...
...oops...I'm moving too fast.
WHY do you believe what is written in the bible?
Well...first you just believe because the world is in such a mess and you can see many reasons why that mess could have been avoided...then you realise that not only is no one trying to avoid this mess but are actively working to create that mess. Then, as a way out, you realise that mans only hope is a supreme authority who actually cares.
There is great comfort on all these issues in the Holy Bible.
The more you come to understand the more you realise that the Holy Bible is referring to things that is only just coming into scientific focus starting with the nature of the universe all the way to our emotional health and by this time you are sold on the idea that Almighty God and his much loved son Jesus Christ have everything in hand...it is just a question of waiting for God's Judgement.
Saving those who are just out of salvation range at the moment is just a worthwhile chore while we wait.
Now I know BeRational you will work out a long text opposing everything I say...but I am unmovable on this issue.
Well...first you just believe because the world is in such a mess and you can see many reasons how that mess could have been avoided...then you realise that not only is no one trying to avoid this mess but are actively working to create that mess. Then, as a way out, you realise that mans only hope is a supreme authority who actually cares.
There is great comfort on all these issues in the Holy Bible.
The more you come to understand the more you realise that the Holy Bible is referring to things that are only just coming into scientific focus starting with the nature of the universe all the way to our emotional health and by this time you are sold on the idea that Almighty God and his much loved son Jesus Christ have everything in hand...it is just a question of waiting for God's Judgement.
Saving those who are just out of salvation range at the moment is just a worthwhile chore while we wait.
Now I know BeRational you will work out a long text opposing everything I say...but I am unmovable on this issue.
I know you are, and that is why discussion is pointless.
You do not engage, your mind is closed.
You could just as well claim that the Koran claiming Mohammed flew to heaven on a winged horse actually described the invention of the jumbo jet.That would be wrong.
Done that.
Like this Seb...ignore all the extras added by iniquity and false teachers and read exactly what Jesus says.
. You would find then that a righteous way of thinking is lifting you out of mans brain-washing which is, in turn, lifting your spirit, lifting your health and lifting your mental agility out of the quagmire of false reasoning.Nope, nothing like that!
by putting Nibiru, Wormwood or Nemisis into your YouTube search engine will reveal everything I know about this returning star system which could easily blot out the light of the moon and darken our sun exactly as Jesus says it will.
.It appears that most of you are Wormwood fodder...but at least I tried.
All:
Vicious circle arguments, every one of them. You accuse me of closed mindedness whilst you all seem to be a in pact with each other...blast, offend, drag into annihilation any mention of the wonderful teaching of Jesus Christ. People need to be aware that when approaching such a bullying group of people that logic and reasoning is the last thing on your mind.
Jesus Christ lived died and was resurrected so we have a wonderful science to explore...it is all down to the righteousness of his spirit...born from the same material stars and atoms are made from. Via this spirit he sunk to the depths of the ether that has charge over each and everyone of us when we die...but he snatched the keys out of your bosses hand and showed those with a more righteous attitude that resurrection and everlasting life is available to us if we follow him accurately...It appears that most of you are Wormwood fodder...but at least I tried.
How do you know that Jesus lived, died and came back to life other than words in a book.
WHY DO YOU BELIEVE WHAT IS WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE?
Do you believe ALL holy books, or just this one?
You might get a grasp of what vicous circle argument is BeRational...you asked the self same question a couple of posts ago...it was answered...you snarled...and now you are asking it again.Cheese and pickle sandwich.
it was answered..
There is a theme that runs throughout the Holy Bible...God is a spirit...his superabundant 'dynamic energy' built all the stars...he is the owner of all science and all accurate knowledge...he sent his son to bring his teaching into sharp focus.
So what Jesus has to tell us is very important indeed. It is best to read it yourself and realise that there is a science involved in his teaching. That science revolves around us upbuilding a righteous spirit which can, besides offer us resurrection, can interact with our energy starved genetics and give them a new lease of life...oops...I'm moving too fast.
Nichluless, is this an accurate sighting of part of the Wormwood system?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l1Y5z1z2Tc
That is how you see it NM, but I see no science whatsoever in what Jesus is reputed have said, nor do many others I suspect..
Floo...if we are told that the invisible things of God are seen by those things that are visible...it means that every atom and every star must be made from an invisible material...an energy he calls his mighty power...his fountain of living waters...his superabundant dynamic energy. Now you might have preferred Isaiah to have started to tell you about nuclear fusion and fast-breeder reactions 4000 years ago but Almighty God saw it differently...but that doesn't mean that we can't come to those conclusions when we take his accurate word seriously.
Vicious circle arguments, every one of them. You accuse me of closed mindedness whilst you all seem to be a in pact with each other...blast, offend, drag into annihilation any mention of the wonderful teaching of Jesus Christ. People need to be aware that when approaching such a bullying group of people that logic and reasoning is the last thing on your mind.
Jesus Christ lived died and was resurrected so we have a wonderful science to explore...
...it is all down to the righteousness of his spirit...born from the same material stars and atoms are made from. Via this spirit he sunk to the depths of the ether that has charge over each and everyone of us when we die...but he snatched the keys out of your bosses hand and showed those with a more righteous attitude that resurrection and everlasting life is available to us if we follow him accurately...It appears that most of you are Wormwood fodder...but at least I tried.
Sparky,
No, it's the first thing and using it to falsify your efforts isn't "bullying" at all - it's just falsifying your efforts. Stop playing the persecution complex card and try engaging with the logic that undoes you.
No, a book says that - which is why you've asked why you think that book is accurate. You can duck and dive all you like, but the question remains nonetheless.
Cheese and pickle sandwiches.
Chee...
"What" and "why" have different meanings. Try at least to understand that and then perhaps you can begin the journey to seeing where you're going wrong.
Just vicious circle arguments for arguments sake bluehillside. There is so much to tell those who will listen but you will not let go of your key doctrine to assassinate any mention of Jesus Christ. That's no problem for me but a terrific problem for you.
Just vicious circle arguments for arguments sake bluehillside. There is so much to tell those who will listen but you will not let go of your key doctrine to assassinate any mention of Jesus Christ. That's no problem for me but a terrific problem for you.
Whilst it all might make sense to you NM it certainly doesn't to others, including other Christians.
Just vicious circle arguments for arguments sake bluehillside.
There is so much to tell those who will listen but you will not let go of your key doctrine to assassinate any mention of Jesus Christ. That's no problem for me but a terrific problem for you.
Why do not discuss and simply keep asserting nonsense?
Explain WHY you believe what you do.
Do not say because it is in the bible as this is evasion. I want to know WHY you believe what is written in the bible.
If the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ is nonsense to you BeRational then what hope have you got. You ignore solid scientific points that there must be a material behind the foundation of the universe which has got thousands of scientists blasting at the tiniest of atomic particles at great expense with few results yet are prepared to totally blast a Biblical explanation which comes to you from the highest authority in the universe. An authority that sent his only begotten son to show you exactly what he means. More Wormwood fodder I am afraid...but at least you too were offered the opportunity to repent.
Now it will take you 2 seconds to scribble out a snarl whilst I am giving your points serious consideration. But I now know the score...slam everything that is written about Jesus Christ.
I couldn't be bothered to look Seb...you haven't inspired me to believe that you have any interest in saving yourself. There are many accounts of this Wormwood phenomenon on YouTube...some fake but many real..
STOP repeating assertions no one is interested.
Explain WHY you believe the bible is accurate or that Jesus even existed.
STOP repeating assertions no one is interested.
Explain WHY you believe the bible is accurate or that Jesus even existed.
That is precisely what I am trying to tell you but it is a bit off putting when you know the return will be a snarl and a put down. Still...the mission comes first.
Jesus Christ is written about in the Holy Bible...there is no mistaking that some wonderful things are said about him within its pages. Millions of people have followed his teaching and found great hope, faith and comfort in his words, usually when at their lowest hour.
Now...anyone is entitled to study his word and look for truth in it...I have and have found a huge amount of truth. Jesus Christ's teaching is the front for a wonderful science...the science of righteousness which teaches you how to harness the same force that is freely available, and all around us, all the time. The problem is that as children we all have access to this energy. It is our innocence which, like righteousness, induces it to work within us but as we become clever in the ways of the world we lose that power. We turn our back on righteousness...which is a shame because it is then we become blinkered, hard headed, snarly, and suffering from many complicated illnesses which the science says could be avoided.
It's all in the Holy Bible, it just requires you to be a lot nicer and more able to listen than you appear to want to be.
Nick
If you just stuck to the teaching Jesus is reputed to have done - the helping your neighbour, doing good where you can, try to help the down-trodden, right laws that are wrong - these are all worth while and you would indeed be doing Jesus's work for him.
Instead, you try to say he was talking scientifically, which we all know he was not capable of, living in those times..
You obviously have been convinced by something or someone that to even question any of the Bible will have God condemning you. You're convinced that anyone who tries to show you that you're mistaken is doing the work of the Devil. It is sad but unfortunately for you, almost impossible to get round.
You are frightened of dying. Instead of oblivion, you've been convinced by someone that you'll spend eternity in this mythical lake of sulphur.
I can't see how you are ever going to change that, it is the reason a lot of us are against teaching little kids that the Bible stories are real.
If you think having all these posters are bullying you by asking you for more than mere assertion, I'd advise you to stick to your little group of like-minded believers and stay away from forums on the Internet.
You say you have read the Holy Bible Floo but you are certainly missing key points...I suggest you read it again...especially the bit about Wormwood and the fiery lake of sulphur.
God is a spirit...Jesus showed us the spiritual laws that will enable us to succeed against all our woes...especially the great woe of death...promising resurrection at the appointed time. It's all possible because it is an electric/spiritual universe that obeys different laws than what you might think...laws that equate to the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...still....if you don't want a part in it it's no skin off my nose.
WHY do you believe what is in the bible?
That was the question, but you never answer.
Because of Jesus Christ.
There is a lot in the Bible which isn't credible fiery lakes and wormwood, for instance. You like to put your own interpretation on the verses, which seems to be the product of a very overactive imagination. As I have said before you are entitled to your POV, but have to accept that others cannot see it your way at all.
WHY do you believe what is in the bible?
That was the question, but you never answer.
Now...if millions of pounds/dollars are being spent to unearth sciences that are already taught from within the Holy Bible...
The real Jesus and the Biblical version could be very different, and in reality he was nothing like the way he is portrayed in the Bible.
Isn't credible to you Floo and perhaps those who have chosen to disbelieve everything they hear about Biblical teaching but you can't get round the simple fact that this is an electrical/spiritual universe following electric spiritual laws which offer great hope for those who can accommodate those laws taught to us by the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...the same source that brings that teaching from the depths of the OT and restates it in the NT....and he seems to know.
Sparky,
They're not.
The real Jesus is very much more advanced than you give him credit for Floo...for example...the miracles that were performed around him and at his prompting, though still outside our scientific abilities, as yet, are not now so amazing. Miracles like turning water to wine or walking on water...tracking shoals of fish in stormy waters.
Science was at the root of all his miracles and were performed many years before we could remotely switch on a television set but in electric/spiritual science many things are scientifically possible for those who will be here to see them and develop them.
The real Jesus is very much more advanced than you give him credit for Floo...for example...the miracles that were performed around him and at his prompting, though still outside our scientific abilities, as yet, are not now so amazing. Miracles like turning water to wine or walking on water...tracking shoals of fish in stormy waters.
Science was at the root of all his miracles and were performed many years before we could remotely switch on a television set but in electric/spiritual science many things are scientifically possible for those who will be here to see them and develop them.
Surely if something isn't credible it is daft to believe it to be true, unless there is verifiable evidence to support it!
We must agree to differ.
NM as you never met the real Jesus you have no idea what he was really like.
Now you are making an assumption Floo. Everyone who brings him into their lives has not only met Jesus Christ but also his father because they are the mirror image of each other as far as righteousness is concerned.
Sparky,
No we mustn't. Your claim was that "...if millions of pounds/dollars are being spent to unearth sciences that are already taught from within the Holy Bible..." etc. There is no science in the Bible and if there was then you should be able to tell us where these dollars are being spent rather than just looking it up in a book you choose to think is "holy".
It's simple enough: if we need a new kind of MRI scanner, faster passenger jet, cure for cancer etc then I can show you where that research is done and how.
If instead you think the money could be saved by looking it up in the Bible though, then just tells us where it tells us these things.
And if you can't do that - and of course you can't - then you're wrong. Flat wrong.
Why do you believe what is in the bible?
Circular argument your speciality then BeRational...You are jammed in your brain-washing...but I can help.
Circular argument your speciality then BeRational...You are jammed in your brain-washing...but I can help.
Isn't credible to you Floo doesn't mean it isn't credible to everyone else. Millions have put Jesus' teaching to the test and many have vouched that it made a vast difference to their lives for the better. This is because, by my analysis, they are strengthening their inner structure with the very force that Jesus promises will strengthen their inner structure. It is the same force that we squeeze out of our genetic health and still expect them to function as if we have done nothing wrong...still...you have denied Jesus so you aren't interested in his science will you??
Now you are making an assumption Floo. Everyone who brings him into their lives has not only met Jesus Christ but also his father because they are the mirror image of each other as far as righteousness is concerned.
The Holy Bible tells us that the universe is made from a wonderful dynamic energy...It tells us it is important to us because if we utilise it as the Holy Bible says, it is a repairing force, whilst also a preventative force from our many ailments.
I also put faith in medical science because, like you, I too walked away from the truth, but the beauty of it is we can walk back into those same repair mechanics carrying our pills and potions with us...until, that is, they are no longer required...What a wonderful thought.
At our current rate of health progress we will all be in wheel-chairs before we reach 30.
Sparky,
No it doesn't. You can't just pretend that the Bible says these things when it does not and - even if it did - still all you'd have is claim in a book.
And a ludicrous one. You don't need to put your "faith" in medical science by the way - whether you think it'll work or not, just take the pill anyway.
Why keep lying about this? At our current rate of "health progress" we shall continue to liver longer lives, not shorter ones. You're entitled to any opinions you like, however bonkers. What you're not entitled to though is your own facts.
All
Isn't it funny when you keep going round and round in circles.Still someone has to break the chain.
Remember, I am saying, with Biblical support, that a superabundant electric/spiritual force created all the stars...they could only do this if they created all the atoms as well. You might be happy with a 'singularity' but it is the height of insult to the conservation laws of energy which scientists also proclaim. We must also go behind the big-bang because that also has cob-webs all over it. We now have a universe that is static...nothing is moving as it is today, only the drifting of this raw material...dark matter, if you prefer...but 'God's dynamic energy' if we quote Isaiah. It was drifting around building up into huge,dense clouds, of light year proportions, and each cloud represented the spawning ground of the galaxy it would produce, so that as much of this raw material was in each cloud that was to create the galaxies that we see today.
I'd better do this slowly because I know you are brain-washed to believe God didn't do it.
Why do you believe god exists?
Isn't it funny when you keep going round and round in circles.Still someone has to break the chain.
Remember, I am saying, with Biblical support, that a superabundant electric/spiritual force created all the stars...they could only do this if they created all the atoms as well. You might be happy with a 'singularity' but it is the height of insult to the conservation laws of energy which scientists also proclaim. We must also go behind the big-bang because that also has cob-webs all over it. We now have a universe that is static...nothing is moving as it is today, only the drifting of this raw material...dark matter, if you prefer...but 'God's dynamic energy' if we quote Isaiah. It was drifting around building up into huge,dense clouds, of light year proportions, and each cloud represented the spawning ground of the galaxy it would produce, so that as much of this raw material was in each cloud that was to create the galaxies that we see today.
I'd better do this slowly because I know you are brain-washed to believe God didn't do it.
No BeRational...I believe Almighty God exists. He gives us many clues to the nature of this raw material that offers repair, resurrection, and everlasting life. And he tells us plainly that in the beginning was the 'word' which I interpret as the scientific understanding of all the sciences in the universe...many recently discovered by us and many yet to be discovered. So...we know this raw material has always been and always will be...we know that it is better described in the first instance as like water rather than like particles and we know that all scientific laws,of which Almighty God is the highest authority are embodied within the correct interpretation of this raw material.
But of course he had to introduce this knowledge slowly because...well...many prefer to believe foolish things rather than the advanced knowledge of Almighty God.
(Fingers in ears now so carry on).
Dear Nicholas,
Ah! It's like old times my friend, watching a thread weave by the magic of NicholasMarks, a very civilised, dry sense of humour type magic, this forum gives you the title of Hero but I think you should be awarded the title Superhero, simply for the joy you spread.
Gonnagle, President and high heid yin of the NicholasMarks fan club.
Dear jj,
You want me!! Little old me to explain the Science of Righteousness, I am but a pupil at the feet of the Master, but I think you start with "The accurate teachings of Our Lord Jesus Christ" "I am the Way the Truth and the Life" although I to find difficulty with that one, I think there are many paths to God, I have no problem with Hindu, Sikh, Muslim, Jewish etc etc etc teachings, they all lead to the Father.
Gonnagle.
The truth? That seems to be the issue here, Mr President.
jj,
The truth?
"You want the truth? You can't handle the truth!"
PS Putting "science" and "righteousness" together is an oxymoron.
Dear Nicholas,
Ah! It's like old times my friend, watching a thread weave by the magic of NicholasMarks, a very civilised, dry sense of humour type magic, this forum gives you the title of Hero but I think you should be awarded the title Superhero, simply for the joy you spread.
Gonnagle, President and high heid yin of the NicholasMarks fan club.
Dear Blue and jj,
The man captures you and then pulls you in ;)
Gonnagle.
Not because I say so but because Jesus says so.
My arse!
Thank you Gonnagle but I must insist, that I am a humble cog...
Sparky,surely if they are fantasies then they are not dishonesties?
Given your patronising tone even as you spout your fantasies and dishonesties you don't seem very humble to me.
surely if they are fantasies then they are not dishonesties?
surely if they are fantasies then they are not dishonesties?Yes but Blue loves a bit of alliteration.
NS,How can you tell? If you accuse him of 'fantasies' how do you work out when they might stop and the 'dishonesties' begin?
I said fantasies and dishonesties. You can have both, as Sparky often does.
Yes but Blue loves a bit of alliteration.that's consonance, not alliteration
All:
Clearly many of you strongly object to the Holy Bible...that isn't my fault...further more you are prepared to argue till you are blue in the face against it even though it is obvious you have no understanding what is in it.
I have listed a science that springs out of the Holy Bible to me and which modern science has no grounds to condemn because it unifies what they can't...even though they have spent millions of pounds/dollars trying. This just goes over your heads except for snorts, snarls, abuse, ridicule and condemnation.
I have even introduced you to an imminent danger that is looming and suggested how you might be saved from it...and shown how this too is referred to in Revelation. More abuse...still all part of the mission.
that's consonance, not alliterationOh, Fucking Fiddlesticks....
Oh, Fucking Fiddlesticks....An Anthony Averse Alliteration.
You still don't engage with what people say. If you really want to work for faith and have an effect, then it would be better surely if you did that rather than blamed your opponents for you not addressing what they actually say?
To take one small point do you accept that your point about increasing earthquakes is not backed up by the evidence? If not please cite some evidence, not make another assertion.
Great, now maybe you can post a video which supports your 'wormwood is coming' assertion?
I know that currently there is an even more threating picture emerging...but I think this video is sufficient to make my point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ngwho1EPHMI
Great, now maybe you can post a video which supports your 'wormwood is coming' assertion?
A point by the way which was absent from your earthquake link. Any reason?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0sx3lk3R6Ucould you be a lovely chap and address the earthquake question I asked?
Why you can't do your own research is beyond me...but this is the first of many that is current.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0sx3lk3R6U
Why you can't do your own research is beyond me...but this is the first of many that is current.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0sx3lk3R6U
Why you can't do your own research is beyond me...but this is the first of many that is current.
Nick
For Christ's sake grow up! I have just watched this ridiculous youtube video and it's so obviously faked that I can't understand anyone over the age of ten thinking it's not!
There are hundreds of thousands of professional and amateur astronomers around the world, do you really think they are all (except for a few of these cranks) in some giant conspiracy to keep something like this from the general public?
He says the whole of the world's media is conspiring to keep it secret too ... are you really gullible enough to believe that.
I did think you were a sensible guy who had a few wacky ideas but if you are really trying to convince us that all these photos and painted cartoons are actual scientific data, then you are definitely in need of help!
There is no such thing as Wormwood or any of these other planets ganging up on us, Nick. It is all someone's vivid imagination having a laugh with suckers who'll believe anything!
Please please GROW UP!
could you be a lovely chap and address the earthquake question I asked?
Response 173 was all I'm offering here.thank you dear chap for that, however it's a youtube video and doesn't do any analysis. Try thus and please lay out what you diapsagree with on its method
How can you tell? If you accuse him of 'fantasies' how do you work out when they might stop and the 'dishonesties' begin?
I too had a look at this link and it is nonsensical conspiracy theory and not serious science.
That it opens with the theme tune from 'The X Files' immediately identifies it as silly, and later on we gets pics of cans of soup and bottles of water by way of a warning to stock up: I already know what a can of soup looks like!
This kind of stuff is best ignored, Nick. Brian Cox's comment, bearing in mind he is a professional scientist working in this field, seems about right: "If anyone else asks me about "Nibiru" the imaginary bullshit planet I will slap them around their irrational heads with Newton's Principia".
Clearly many of you strongly object to the Holy Bible...
NS,he doesn't seem to be denying earthquakes are on the increase.
Does it matter? For what it's worth, I'd say "fantasy" is at the "I have a pet dragon" end of the spectrum, whereas dishonesty would be, say, denying that you'd said earthquakes are on the increase. Just so I can watch my ps & qs in future though, will you be so Gradgrindian about "spick and span"? How about "hale and hearty"? ;)
Response 173 was all I'm offering here.
No one actually knows what gravity is. Science can calculate it expertly but they are still struggling with gravitons and like theories. As you should now know particle physics haven’t got the answer and I haven’t reached that part of my explanation yet. Gravity throws up a number of curved balls which have to be built into the equation and clashing star systems may just high-light one of those curved balls.
Science already has the outline of what creates gravity bur they are looking at it in an unGodly way and missing the obvious.
So…Brian Cox…look and listen because not even you can dispute the facts.
he doesn't seem to be denying earthquakes are on the increase.
No one actually knows what gravity is. Science can calculate it expertly but they are still struggling with gravitons and like theories. As you should now know particle physics haven’t got the answer and I haven’t reached that part of my explanation yet. Gravity throws up a number of curved balls which have to be built into the equation and clashing star systems may just high-light one of those curved balls.
Science already has the outline of what creates gravity bur they are looking at it in an unGodly way and missing the obvious.
So…Brian Cox…look and listen because not even you can dispute the facts.
pretty soon ......
NS,that isn't denying it
In a different thread he positively asserted that they are on the increase. I challenged him on it (several times in fact) as it's not true, and eventually he just said "you need to read the Bible" and vanished. I'll try to find the exchange, though when I looked recently for his contemptible comments about cancer all I could find was Wiggs's response to it rather than his original posts.
that isn't denying it
thank you dear chap for that, however it's a youtube video and doesn't do any analysis. Try thus and please lay out what you diapsagree with on its method
http://m.pnas.org/content/109/3/717.full?sid=e906ad30-c20a-41fb-b383-16aa538d39fe
Iris the distributor of earthquake information presented by this YouTube video after a brief internet search appears to be a valid and scientific organisation correlating earthquake information.
Nick, if you have an explanation of gravity, can we see the link to your published scientific papers?
Sparky,
Yes it does. And here's its conclusion:
"Our conclusion that the global threat of large earthquakes has not recently increased is based both on the lack of statistical evidence that regionally declustered seismicity is temporally heterogeneous on a global scale and on the implausibility of physical mechanisms proposed to explain global clustering. The estimated global rate of very large (M > 9) earthquakes is still very uncertain because only five such events have occurred since 1900. The recent elevated rate of large earthquakes has increased estimates of large earthquake danger: The empirical rate of such events is higher than before. However, there is no evidence that the rate of the underlying process has changed. In other words, there is no evidence that the risk has changed, but our estimates of the risk have changed."
Note the "not recently increased" in the first sentence.
In a fairly extended exchange we had a while back you said explicitly that the rate of earthquakes had risen, and you did so to imply that it was a portent of some kind. Are you saying:
1. That you did say that?
2. That you did not say that?
3. That you can't remember whether you said it or not?
There are no other options.
Of course you can't cus it doesn't exist. That doesn't mean it is wrong it means that I have to decide how I will publish it...and quite honestly I'm not too impressed with your scientific institutions...who tell you everything came from nothing.Nick, could you kindly provide me a link to a scientific institution that says everything came from nothing?
Perhaps it might be best to slowly introduce it to those who need that knowledge most...and, of course, the righteous, who are living that science here and now.
It doesn't take too much logic to realise that our only currently known resistance to gravity is our muscular strength so that the constant down force will play havoc with the human body if that uplift counter pressure is lost and in many cases of ill health, it is. This is why it is important to upbuild within us a righteous spirit exactly how Jesus taught...then...maybe...we too will walk on water...though I don't recommend it.
bluehillside...I have been back on this forum for a very short period...I could research the exact date for you if you like. At no time have I gone into any great detail about earthquakes with you, or anyone, until now. I will not use your terminology to describe people you have a grievance with but I strongly tell you that you are mistaken.
Nick, could you kindly provide me a link to a scientific institution that says everything came from nothing?
That is the key principle behind the big-bang theory. There was nothing but this singularity which decided to explode creating all the mass in the universe in the pattern and form that led to how it is witnessed today. I have noticed a slight swing away from this scientific point but never-the-less it has been made known to the public as a scientific principle for a long time. Apparently all the trillions upon trillions of megatons of energy now present in the universe was all contained within that singularity.
Well...I don't buy it ...the Holy Bible doesn't buy it and, now, it seems, some scientists don't buy into it either. The truth is very complex but fits all the answers and, more importantly, fits the teaching contained within the Holy Bible.
Sparky,
Never mind "going in to great detail". The question you were actually asked was this:
"In a fairly extended exchange we had a while back you said explicitly that the rate of earthquakes had risen, and you did so to imply that it was a portent of some kind. Are you saying:
1. That you did say that?
2. That you did not say that?
3. That you can't remember whether you said it or not?"
All you have to do to answer is to reply 1, 2 or 3.
I note that instead of pointing me to a scientific institution that states everything cones from nothing, you have instead laid out your basic misunderstood don't of Big Bang theory which emphatically does not state that. A singularity is not nothing
Out of a courtesy you don't really deserve bluehillside...I have not gone into any details with you on the business of earthquakes...and certainly not as you previously implied in a tat-for-tat dialogue in which you presented your proof in exceptional detail. Now...a sensible person would not go round and round in circles in any argument, true or false, and I consider myself sensible...though I suspect you will have a snarling answer for that too.
With all due respect Nearly Sane...where did the singularity come from??
With all due respect Nearly Sane...where did the singularity come from??haven't a clue, but it isn't nothing so can I suggest you retract the statement that scientific institutions state that everything came from nothing, as this is a misunderstanding as I pointed out?
haven't a clue, but it isn't nothing so can I suggest you retract the statement that scientific institutions state that everything came from nothing, as this is a misunderstanding as I pointed out?
haven't a clue, but it isn't nothing so can I suggest you retract the statement that scientific institutions state that everything came from nothing, as this is a misunderstanding as I pointed out?
But I have a better answer Nearly Sane that fits in with the scientific dialogue on the matter...it is Biblically inspired and offers the very material this theme is all about.
The singularity is a word to describe a force that lay within it and created everything...and common sense dictates that something must have created that force so...what was it?? You don't have to answer that...but science appears to be realising their folly slowly and no conjuring tricks can procure something to exist that has no reality attached to it...hence it is nothing.
But I have a better answer Nearly Sane that fits in with the scientific dialogue on the matter...it is Biblically inspired and offers the very material this theme is all about.
The singularity is a word to describe a force that lay within it and created everything...and common sense dictates that something must have created that force so...what was it?? You don't have to answer that...but science appears to be realising their folly slowly and no conjuring tricks can procure something to exist that has no reality attached to it...hence it is nothing.
No, Nick, common sense doesn't give that answer because that leads to an infinite regress. So your question is nonsensical. Further I note you are now playing with words to hide your misstatement about big band theory. The singularity is not nothing. Scientific papers nstitutions do not say everything came from nothing. Again I suggest you retract this as it undermines any case you are making.
I think I know where this is heading Nearly Sane but I will not move from my expressed position. I believe in Almighty God and his much loved son Jesus Christ who tell us that God has always been and always will be...which tells us that things existed before the big-bang...and this thread is all about exploring it with righteous truth incorporated within it.
If you cannot tell me what the singularity comprised of in hard...real terms, and science can't, then it must be nothing which squashes any argument in its validity.
I think I know where this is heading Nearly Sane but I will not move from my expressed position. I believe in Almighty God and his much loved son Jesus Christ who tell us that God has always been and always will be...which tells us that things existed before the big-bang...and this thread is all about exploring it with righteous truth incorporated within it.
If you cannot tell me what the singularity comprised of in hard...real terms, and science can't, then it must be nothing which squashes any argument in its validity.
I think I know where this is heading Nearly Sane but I will not move from my expressed position. I believe in Almighty God and his much loved son Jesus Christ who tell us that God has always been and always will be...which tells us that things existed before the big-bang...and this thread is all about exploring it with righteous truth incorporated within it.
If you cannot tell me what the singularity comprised of in hard...real terms, and science can't, then it must be nothing which squashes any argument in its validity.
The definition of science is:
(((((the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.)))))
NM's fanciful statements have nothing to do with science.
The Holy Bible is such a part of that data and tells us a great deal but you have all convinced yourselves that it is an irrelevant part of the scientific world when careful analysis shows that it contains the science of everything.
That again is not science, Nick, and saying that something has always been contradicts your 'common sense' idea that a something needs a cause.
Note up till now you hadn't asked what the singularity comprised of so I do not know why you imply that (a) you had and (b) that it hadn't been answered.
Further even if the answer is don't know that does not mean in any sense that it is nothing. Again I suggest you retract your statement.
You now seem to want to go round and round in circular argument Nearly Sane. But I will go one better...the missing scientific link to the full and accurate knowledge of the universe...according to the Holy Bible...is that beneath all this high-speed activity of galaxies hurtling through an expanding universe is a static universe. Common sense and science must say that this dimension exists because it is the state that must have been before the big-bang. Now if you fit huge clouds of dynamic energy within that pre-big-bang, tranquil state, where time stands still, we have the starting point for a wonderful universe in which God says...look into the heavens...who made all these things...with the superabundance of his dynamic energy...not one is missing.
You wont perhaps realise just how important this is to you...but as all science comes into existence from what happens next...it might be wise to read your Holy Bible so that you can genuinely put forward an opposing view.
You now seem to want to go round and round in circular argument Nearly Sane. But I will go one better...the missing scientific link to the full and accurate knowledge of the universe...according to the Holy Bible...is that beneath all this high-speed activity of galaxies hurtling through an expanding universe is a static universe. Common sense and science must say that this dimension exists because it is the state that must have been before the big-bang. Now if you fit huge clouds of dynamic energy within that pre-big-bang, tranquil state, where time stands still, we have the starting point for a wonderful universe in which God says...look into the heavens...who made all these things...with the superabundance of his dynamic energy...not one is missing.
You wont perhaps realise just how important this is to you...but as all science comes into existence from what happens next...it might be wise to read your Holy Bible so that you can genuinely put forward an opposing view.
You now seem to want to go round and round in circular argument Nearly Sane.The only circle is of your own creation.
Who created god, if it exists, it just can't come from nothing?
The definition of science suggests that first you collect all the data and analyse it and see what it tells you against reality. The Holy Bible is such a part of that data and tells us a great deal but you have all convinced yourselves that it is an irrelevant part of the scientific world when careful analysis shows that it contains the science of everything.
That is my view point and it would be wise to try and take in the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ to guarantee that you are living that science in the most fruitful way...me...well...I just believe...and it is the Christian part of the forum after all.
Your phraseology needs working on Floo...but it is all there in the Holy Bible.
I have found it wise not to go off at tangents though so you will have to be patient.
That isn't quite how I am viewing things Seb. I say something and I get an insult in return and a statement slammed at me which hardly touches the point I have made. I try to correct that point and get accused of all sorts of things which aren't really justified because I am trying to be honest, truthful and with Biblical motivation.
The key point appears to be that the argumentative have a preconceived view of Jesus Christ...he doesn't exist in their eyes and has no right to play in their reasoning. Anyone who defends righteousness which is a huge and wonderful science knows better but your arguments get wilder, uncontrolled and often appear to be collective cyber bullying...
...but its all part of the mission.
That isn't quite how I am viewing things Seb. I say something and I get an insult in return and a statement slammed at me which hardly touches the point I have made. I try to correct that point and get accused of all sorts of things which aren't really justified because I am trying to be honest, truthful and with Biblical motivation.
The key point appears to be that the argumentative have a preconceived view of Jesus Christ...he doesn't exist in their eyes and has no right to play in their reasoning. Anyone who defends righteousness which is a huge and wonderful science knows better but your arguments get wilder, uncontrolled and often appear to be collective cyber bullying...
...but its all part of the mission.
Nick, at no point have I insulted you. The above makes a blanket accusation, kindly retract.
Challenging your unique POV which has no basis in reality, is not cyber bullying.
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There is NOTHING in the Bible which tells us how god was created.
As for going off at tangents you are the master where that is concerned!
that no one knows tghe hour or the day when will happen but all the signs say...soon.You are falling back on your old tricks again Nick!
Common sense and science must say that this dimension exists because it is the state that must have been before the big-bang. Now if you fit huge clouds of dynamic energy within that pre-big-bang, tranquil state, where time stands still, we have the starting point for a wonderful universeWhere did the huge clouds of dynamic energy come from?
You see Floo, although you have read the Holy Bible you haven't got the theme behind it.
You see Floo, although you have read the Holy Bible you haven't got the theme behind it. It is constantly telling us of God's mighty power...his wonderful dymanic energy...his fountain of living waters. For it all to be accurate means that Almighty God, whom we are told is a spirit, is made of the same stuff...and so is everything else in the universe. Jesus Christ showed us how this is possible...you live a special righteous life...upbuild your own righteous spirit and partake in the wonderful fruits it offers.
Failure to do so means that there will be no place in the new heavens and new Earth to come, that no one knows tghe hour or the day when will happen but all the signs say...soon.
You should thank me not slam me.
Sparky,WHY do you believe that only things that can be argued and evidenced can be true, bhs? After all, there are a number of things within our everyday lives that don't fit this simplistic approach very easily?
WHY do you think any of those un-argued and un-evidenced claims and assertions to be true?
I haven't got your very vivid imagination where that book is concerned! You still haven't answered the question, who or what created god? I can answer that question though, it is a very human creation, imo.And you have the evidence for that assertion, Floo?
WHY do you believe that only things that can be argued and evidenced can be true, bhs? After all, there are a number of things within our everyday lives that don't fit this simplistic approach very easily?
And you have the evidence for that assertion, Floo?
By the way, if you do have that evidence, I'd suggest that vast swathes of academia would be very interested to see it.
You are falling back on your old tricks again Nick!
What do you mean by 'soon'?
Weeks?
Months?
Years?
Decades?
Challenging your unique POV which has no basis in reality, is not cyber bullying.
Moving on...We now have a universe that must have existed before the big-bang. Everything was quiet and still...a very tranquil place where time stood still and no mass existed. But...to make science work something must have existed in that place. A material that has always been and always will be...an indestructible, invisible, superabundant material, that both science and Almighty God allude to in their dark matter/dynamic energy teachings...and to make science fit the facts we must state that this material just drifted around the great void of space building up into huge dense clouds of light-year proportions. Everywhere there is now a galaxy there was once a huge, dense cloud of dynamic energy that preceded it...just waiting for the trigger that science calls the big-bang...but I call God's righteous word because by that word all knowledge about the universe becomes scientifically understandable.
In the beginning was the word and that word is the light of the world.
Moving on...We now have a universe that must have existed before the big-bang.
Moving on...We now have a universe that must have existed before the big-bang. Everything was quiet and still...a very tranquil place where time stood still and no mass existed. But...to make science work something must have existed in that place. A material that has always been and always will be...an indestructible, invisible, superabundant material, that both science and Almighty God allude to in their dark matter/dynamic energy teachings...and to make science fit the facts we must state that this material just drifted around the great void of space building up into huge dense clouds of light-year proportions. Everywhere there is now a galaxy there was once a huge, dense cloud of dynamic energy that preceded it...just waiting for the trigger that science calls the big-bang...but I call God's righteous word because by that word all knowledge about the universe becomes scientifically understandable.
In the beginning was the word and that word is the light of the world.
Where did that come from?
Moving on...We now have a universe that must have existed before the big-bang. Everything was quiet and still...a very tranquil place where time stood still and no mass existed. But...to make science work something must have existed in that place. A material that has always been and always will be...an indestructible, invisible, superabundant material, that both science and Almighty God allude to in their dark matter/dynamic energy teachings...and to make science fit the facts we must state that this material just drifted around the great void of space building up into huge dense clouds of light-year proportions. Everywhere there is now a galaxy there was once a huge, dense cloud of dynamic energy that preceded it...just waiting for the trigger that science calls the big-bang...but I call God's righteous word because by that word all knowledge about the universe becomes scientifically understandable.
In the beginning was the word and that word is the light of the world.
WHY do you believe that only things that can be argued and evidenced can be true, bhs? After all, there are a number of things within our everyday lives that don't fit this simplistic approach very easily?(emphasis mine)
Hope,This doesn't answer Hope's question (the bit I emphasized in bold). What about the number of things within our everyday lives that don't fit this simplistic approach very easily?
I don't. What I do think though is that, absent argument and evidence (and absent any other method of validation on the table) you have no means to know whether something is true.
Your god. my leprechauns, any other conjecture we can dream up might be true but you need a connecting logic to take from "true for me only" subjective truth to "true for you too" objective truth.
And that's your problem here.
This doesn't answer Hope's question (the bit I emphasized in bold). What about the number of things within our everyday lives that don't fit this simplistic approach very easily?
(emphasis mine)This doesn't answer Hope's question (the bit I emphasized in bold). What about the number of things within our everyday lives that don't fit this simplistic approach very easily?
What things?
Moving on...We now have a universe that must have existed before the big-bang. Everything was quiet and still...a very tranquil place where time stood still and no mass existed. But...to make science work something must have existed in that place. A material that has always been and always will be...an indestructible, invisible, superabundant material, that both science and Almighty God allude to in their dark matter/dynamic energy teachings...and to make science fit the facts we must state that this material just drifted around the great void of space building up into huge dense clouds of light-year proportions. Everywhere there is now a galaxy there was once a huge, dense cloud of dynamic energy that preceded it...just waiting for the trigger that science calls the big-bang...but I call God's righteous word because by that word all knowledge about the universe becomes scientifically understandable.
In the beginning was the word and that word is the light of the world.
To me, "God" or indeed, gods are religious concepts used to try and explain or account for imagined qualities and substances that cannot be identified in our world any more than leprechauns.
I see it as a category where the whole idea of the supernatural belongs.
Contrast that with the natural, which I see as covering everything that exists, including what we have yet to discover.
The term "supernatural" gives people a green light to not only make up whatever beings they want but also to endow these beings with self-contradictory and magical abilities. I see it all the time with believers when they refer to their particular choice of deity as being uncreated and somehow living outside of and unaffected by the passage of time. Yet their god still thinks and acts inside and outside of our natural realm.
It's funny but it's often the case that once believers have given their construct a free pass by placing it in the envisioned supernatural realm, they then become quite rigorous about what must be true in the natural world - the only world we know.
From a point of reason, the whole thing comes over to me as a logical nightmare, excused by the one word - "supernatural". It's a fallacy of special pleading whereby whatever the believer places in this supernatural realm gets excused from the scepticism and scrutiny.
Gordon,
No idea. Perhaps BA could tell us?
(emphasis mine)This doesn't answer Hope's question (the bit I emphasized in bold). What about the number of things within our everyday lives that don't fit this simplistic approach very easily?
When the author of Revelations said that Jesus was coming "soon" he really meant "soon". Not, more than two thousand years later.
REV 22:20
Futhermore, no less a person than Paul foretold that the end would come in his lifetime and that he'd be one of those who fly up to heaven.
1 Thess. 4:15-17
Check out the first words of Jesus in the oldest surviving gospel. "Very near" is not over two thousand years.
Mark 1:15
Luke tells us that "Even now the axe is lying at the root of the trees". What he failed to mention is that two thousand years later it will still be lying there because his god has failed to pick it up. Of course, Luke wasn't thinking that his god would take that long.
Luke 3: 7-9
The simple answer...if there can be a simple answer Khatru...is...that every ones life time is a quest towards learning about God's and Jesus' teaching. Few live after there 80s and this is plenty of time to, quickly reach God's Judgement. If we upbuild a righteous spirit in that time then in death we open up a portal that will deliver us to the next generation. in a new vessel. So God's Judgement is administered very quickly indeed. Obviously if you don't have a strong, robust spirit due to unrighteousness then you cannot take advantage of this promise and must remain entrapped in the ether until God deems it time in the last days to restore all who have ever lived back to the flesh...and because of the horrible attitude of this generation...the lack of morals, the anger, the wars, the abuse and the distress, I suspect that that time is now.This means that it is our response to righteousness in this generation that will carry us through God's Final Judgement and, we are told, Wormwood is a nasty part of that final judgement.
What makes you think all was tranquil and quiet, Nick? We have only a calculation, based on the speed the galaxies are moving away from each other, that they began moving approx 14 billion years ago. The Big Bang is a point in time, not a physical happening that we know anything about. We certainly cannot assume anything about the state everything was in before that.
We do though, see that Black Holes exist and that stars in every galaxy are being drawn into them. Presumably, inside each black hole, there is a gigantic star that is being squeezed tighter and tighter by the incoming stars. Our universe may have been caused by something much bigger than a black hole that suddenly exploded.
It may, of course, have been an entirely different scenario altogether, but there is no reason to suppose that some human-like magician waved his hands and created it all.
Complete and utter GOBBLEDEGOOK!
My own, Biblical understanding jjohnjil is that at least two of these gigantic clouds of dynamic energy merged together and because they were much denser at their centres they created the first law in science...those cores were forced to find the central position of these merging electrical clouds. The first universal Hadron collider came into existence as these cores hurtled towards each other and smashed headlong, one into the other...Now science can really begin because a number of behaviour patterns would simultaneously take place...Powerful shock waves spreading out from that collision point in space would send all other surrounding clouds hurtling outwards as science says they do now, and each one would be spinning up into a violent hurricane force with many tornadoes forming within them.
Science, as we now know it, is just one step away...but Almighty God got there first.
It's all in the Gospels Floo...but you should know that because you have already read it. It is this indestructible electric/spiritual nature of Jesus Christ's teaching that delivers it...the same stuff that created the universe and which Almighty God has all authority over.
Nick
I'm always willing to learn, so could you point me to where in the Bible exactly you read of these two gigantic clouds?
Even if it was in the gospels they are definitely not evidence, especially as they were written so many years after Jesus died.
Not really. I'm not in the mood for fun threads at the moment.
...it is simply making sense of modern science and Biblical teaching...remember, I believe implicitly in both having realised that Almighty God and now Jesus Christ have absolute and total authority over it all.
No I can't...it is simply making sense of modern science and Biblical teaching...remember, I believe implicitly in both having realised that Almighty God and now Jesus Christ have absolute and total authority over it all.+
What the Bible does say is...look into the heavens, who put them there, with the superabundance of his dynamic energy,(mighty power) they are each numbered and named, not one is missing. So...even 4000 years ago all the stars in the heavens were identified and catalogued by this universal authority. I am just going through the only logic that could scientifically explain what is already known to exist...with the acknowledgement that this science with all its key points has already been brought to our attention from within the Holy Bible.
So...you don't agree,but, like Nibiru, you will probably see it with your own eyes...soon.
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Thanks for that, Nick, I wondered why no one else had mentioned it being Biblical teaching.
So, as you understand it, God hurled these gigantic clouds together to cause the Big bang, simply so that, 13.5 billion years later, Man would appear and he could have a relationship with them, listen to their prayers and help them etc.
I get it now.
Sparky,
You can't "make sense of modern science" when you have not an inkling of what science (modern or otherwise) actually says, and what you "believe implicitly" has no rhetorical value whatever. It just tells us what you happen believe implicitly. So what?
If you seriously want people to think that what you believe isn't entirely ludicrous, then - finally - you need to make a cogent argument to support it.
As I've told you already what the word "argument" actually means, what's stopping you?
If the teaching of Jesus Christ makes good sense to millions today and over the generations since his resurrection then we can suggest that his message, he taught, is still embodied within the text of the Holy Bible today...as long as it is Jesus we are listening to and not the outrageous iniquity that is being taught whilst standing in a pool of Jesus' blood.
Here is a statement that is also a part of my philosophy and might also ring true with you, bluehillside
Reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled. (Richard Feynman)
Some of what Jesus is quoted as saying and doing was sensible, some of it wasn't!
Everything Jesus says and does all revolves around a very advanced science. This science takes into account that the people he is eventually talking to, the entire world, aren't very scientific at all and in fact beavily brain washed but his love for the world...or rather, the people in it, carried him through the most terrifying experience imaginable...still everyone can't be saved else why bother with a judgement at all.
So you keep saying, your weird idea of science maybe, but not the real science known to everyone else.
So you keep saying, your weird idea of science maybe, but not the real science known to everyone else.I'm afraid weird science crops up often in atheist circles in the form of scientism.
The simple answer...if there can be a simple answer Khatru...is...that every ones life time is a quest towards learning about God's and Jesus' teaching. Few live after there 80s and this is plenty of time to, quickly reach God's Judgement. If we upbuild a righteous spirit in that time then in death we open up a portal that will deliver us to the next generation. in a new vessel. So God's Judgement is administered very quickly indeed. Obviously if you don't have a strong, robust spirit due to unrighteousness then you cannot take advantage of this promise and must remain entrapped in the ether until God deems it time in the last days to restore all who have ever lived back to the flesh...and because of the horrible attitude of this generation...the lack of morals, the anger, the wars, the abuse and the distress, I suspect that that time is now.This means that it is our response to righteousness in this generation that will carry us through God's Final Judgement and, we are told, Wormwood is a nasty part of that final judgement.
I'm afraid weird science crops up often in atheist circles in the form of scientism.At least Nichorless has answered one of your questions Vlad regarding the beginning of the universe!
Certain people charged with public awareness of science have been responsible in at least not disavowing this in the general population.
Notwithstanding the fact that your response has nothing to do with the point I was making, perhaps you can try to answer this question:
Why does your god hate his creation so much?
The science I am relaying is actually taken from the Holy Bible.
I'm afraid weird science crops up often in atheist circles in the form of scientism.
Certain people charged with public awareness of science have been responsible in at least not disavowing this in the general population.
At least Nichorless has answered one of your questions Vlad regarding the beginning of the universe!
Well now you know that it was created by two big swirly clouds of dynamic energy crashing together.
Unless you want to tell Sparknick that he is wrong?
Do You?
Perhaps he would prefer to tell me I am wrong on the following piece of scientific mechanics at the same time...
You see..we now nave every galaxial cloud hurtling away from the impact which accellerated up to the speed of the expanding universe, around 1000 mps. Within these clouds there was already sufficient energy to create all the atoms and stars they now contain but they needed the scientific mechanics. These clouds were spinning up into violent hurricane storms and many tornades within the clouds formed...Now here is the scientific detail, missed by science but which created all the stars and atoms within those clouds. These clouds were hurtling through a static universe where time stands still and any holebetween these two separate dimensions created a powerful imploding force.and hurricanes and tornadoes are rather good at creating holes both on a macro scale and the micro scales.
I'm sure you can work therest out for yourselves but usually the disbekief comes first and then the insults because you are all brain washed to believe something quite different.
Jesus Christ can help.
The science I am relaying is actually taken from the Holy Bible. No Bible student who believes in its teaching can deny that Almighty God, in declaring his own powers and omnipotence is the owner of all the science contained in the universe and his son Jesus Christ wanted even you Floo, to know that resurrection is achievable to all if we follow that science. Not being of the same spiritual metal as Jesus means that we have a lesser resurrection...to a new vessel, in a new geberation...but you have got to be in it to win it.
Perhaps he would prefer to tell me I am wrong on the following piece of scientific mechanics at the same time...Tell me Nichcluless, how exactly does something move from a to b in a place where time stands still?
You see..we now nave every galaxial cloud hurtling away from the impact which accellerated up to the speed of the expanding universe, around 1000 mps. Within these clouds there was already sufficient energy to create all the atoms and stars they now contain but they needed the scientific mechanics. These clouds were spinning up into violent hurricane storms and many tornades within the clouds formed...Now here is the scientific detail, missed by science but which created all the stars and atoms within those clouds. These clouds were hurtling through a static universe where time stands still
He doesn't Khatru. He so loved the world that he sent us his only begotten son Jesus Christ to explain that evil was behind all our woes and who gave us a science to protect us from their full force.
Tell me,.do you thnk that tsunamis might be triggered by nuclear test explosions.possibly weeks months or even years down the line. Is this God or evil for evil gain.
God has decreed that he will not destroy the Earth again as he did in the great flood so we must wait for a natural event that amounts to the same thing...and I suspect it isn't far off...in the mean time we must all live together as best we can...It's all in the Holy Bible.
Those who claim god is good when asked to give an example of its goodness either don't respond, or say how wonderful it was he sacrificed his own son for the so called 'sins' of the world. A human parent who sacrificed their child would be rightly condemned for such a dastardly act.
Tell me Nichcluless, how exactly does something move from a to b in a place where time stands still?
because the last time I looked, it takes time to get (hurtle) from a to b, doesn't it?
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Where did the clouds come from?
You haven't answered that yet!
Those who claim god is good when asked to give an example of its goodness either don't respond, or say how wonderful it was he sacrificed his own son for the so called 'sins' of the world. A human parent who sacrificed their child would be rightly condemned for such a dastardly act.
He so loved the world? Why did he kill nearly everyone in this world including all the babies? Think about that for a minute - you worship a god that kills babies. There's nothing good about that.
If your god loves us then why does he send us to Hell?
Your god is not loving. Instead of coming regularly and leading his people by example, he leaves us in the hands of Satan, promising to return at some random time "like a thief in the night" to wreak havoc on the earth, and to judge its people with fire
They might be. However, I'm not aware of anyone being killed by a nuclear test-generated tsunami to date.
What about the Boxing Day Tsunami? That one killed approximately a quarter of a million people. Your god can part the Red Sea but he did nothing to stop this tsunami. Now that's evil
There is nothing natural about an event caused by a supernatural being. The Bible is clear enough that God will destroy the earth with fire.
By the way, isn't that whole Rainbow/God/Covenant thing a load of bollocks? God created a rainbow as a sign of his promise to never again destroy the world with water.
What a hollow, empty and quite meaningless gesture that is, as we later read that at some point in the future, God will be destroying the world by fire.
It's like someone stabbing one of your family members to death and subsequently promising never to stab anyone again but saying that he will comeback sometime in the future, not with a knife but with a gun.
The sacrifice of Jesus was an event that was unavoidable. Evil will demand to remove anyone that threatens their utopia and Jesus certainly did this. He held the ace card because he knew that if he followed Almighty God's righteous laws he would be resurrected and in so doing leave a wonderful faith in his wake. That has certainly proved true and now we are beginning to understand the science beneath his teaching. Those who have taken him seriously will have a righteous hope in his resurrection...those that don't had better give it serious consideration asap.
My husband studied theology to degree level when young, which I suspect you haven't, and once he did that became an atheist!
The whole Book is about God's love and the fact that he sent Jesus to impart that message to us.
You believe that to be true NM but there is no evidence to support your assertion. Christianity over the centuries hasn't been that wonderful, it has been responsible for many atrocities and abuse, and still is today in the hands of extreme Christians.
The accurate teaching of Jesus Christ forbids outrageous atrocities...Like flooding the whole world and leaving only eight people alive? Or killing the first born son of everybody in Egypt because one person got a bit uppity?
therefore we must consider the veracity of those who led them because it could only have been iniquity.Indeed we must. The Old Testament is either full of lies or God is a monster.
With every respect Floo...theology isn't the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.
Jesus: God is Love.
Potential Convert: How does he demonstrate his Love?
Jesus: By having you cast into hell for eternity for being naughty.
Potential Convert: That doesn't sound very loving.
Jesus: Ah yes but he's going to use me as a scapegoat to get you off the hook he hung you on. He's going to manipulate the Romans into killing me so you can escape hell as long as you accept you have my blood on your hands...
... Actually that does sound a bit fucked up doesn't it. I tell you what let's forget it and go out for dinner.
Potential Convert: Sounds great. Can you do that trick with the water again? Only this time, can you make gin and tonic?
Jesus: God is love.
Potential Convert: How does he demonstrate his Love?
Jesus: By sending me to show you how to see through all the deceit and distress evil causes...and how resurrection works.
Potential Convert: That doesn't sound very loving.
Jesus: Then don't get too concerned...but don't expect Wormwood to be too concerned either...It wont.
Potential Convert: Can you do that trick with the water again? Only this time, can you make gin and tonic?
Jesus: It's only science...I will show those who follow my righteous teaching, accurately, much more than that...shame you wont see it.
Like flooding the whole world and leaving only eight people alive? Or killing the first born son of everybody in Egypt because one person got a bit uppity?
Indeed we must. The Old Testament is either full of lies or God is a monster.
It's all in the eye of the beholder. The atrocities in Egypt were because a whole nation of people were being held against their will and being treated abysmally, over many years, and without any hope what-so-ever. After a number of plagues we are told God authorised what you now complain about. I seem to remember that Moses himself was a survivor of a similar spat but at the hands of the Egyptians this time.
What we know without a shadow of doubt that there were miserable and violent attitudes in those days but God saw fit to administer his direct help to a people he had future plans for...but he didn't hide the fact that he was a mighty God who doesn't argue with riff-raf.
That's why these last days are a time when we shouldn't argue with him or his much loved son who died at the will of his father to show the faithful that death has been overcome.
It is those who are at the mercy of the people traffickers who are being fooled as the Egyptian pharaoh tried to fool God...that I feel sorry for.
It's all in the eye of the beholder. The atrocities in Egypt were because a whole nation of people were being held against their will and being treated abysmally, over many years, and without any hope what-so-ever. After a number of plagues we are told God authorised what you now complain about. I seem to remember that Moses himself was a survivor of a similar spat but at the hands of the Egyptians this time.That might be credible if God had punished the people who were actually treating the Hebrews badly. Instead, he indulged in the whole sale slaughter of every first born son regardless of whether they were actually guilty or not, including those of slaves. Furthermore, if you were a second born on who had been mistreating Hebrews, you got away scot free.
That might be credible if God had punished the people who were actually treating the Hebrews badly. Instead, he indulged in the whole sale slaughter of every first born son regardless of whether they were actually guilty or not, including those of slaves. Furthermore, if you were a second born on who had been mistreating Hebrews, you got away scot free.
Also, nobody who drowned in the flood was guilty of mistreating hebrews.
There are many examples where there has been time-warps in real lifeGo on then, name some......
.almost no one will be spared
You have a funny take on how manipulation, brain-washing and how obedience to false gods works.
How many is that then?
Go on then, name some......
.almost no one will be spared
Matthew 24
15 “Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken about by Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place (let the reader use discernment), 16 then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains. 17 Let the man on the housetop not come down to take the goods out of his house, 18 and let the man in the field not return to pick up his outer garment. 19 Woe to the pregnant women and those nursing a baby in those days! 20 Keep praying that your flight may not occur in wintertime nor on the Sabbath day; 21 for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again. 22 In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short.
It's all in the Holy Bible Seb you are just not reading it...Though you might be getting great sport out of ridiculing every Biblical teaching you are separating yourself from those who will be saved...odd that...especially with such a wonderful science behind Jesus Christ's righteous word.
Jesus Christ taught us special righteous laws...it is no coincidence that those laws lead us to a deep and meaningful knowledge about all Creation...hence, by default, Jesus taught us what Almighty God already knew...that our human existence relies heavily on us grasping those complicated laws. We simply didn't have the intellect so Almighty God did the next best thing...he sent his only begotten son to live those laws and to show those who rather fancy repair, resurrection and everlasting life that it can only be achieved by following those righteous laws...ok.
The best advice that anyone can offer those who don't think this is true is...follow the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ and thereby make this terrible world a better place...and also be in with a shout when that final trumpet blows.
Floo/ippy/SebatianToe/bluehillside:
I had some good belly laughs reading your responses but there is a serious side to my post. You see...if you at least tried to follow Jesus Christ's accurate teaching you would see that spiritual/electric forces are manipulating many hordes of people and often in a perilous way. We have electric laws controlling the stars and electric laws involved in all of science so we should consider Jesus' righteous and spiritual laws to be about the same substance...an electric plasma that emanates from life as well as stars. Of course, reading the Holy Bible with this in mind might give you an extra dimension to explore and this is good because all the mechanics of the universe and of science are maneuvered via dimensional interactions that only the Holy Bible seems to understand...oh and those who read it accurately.
Jesus: God is Love.
Potential Convert: How does he demonstrate his Love?
Jesus: By having you cast into hell for eternity for being naughty.
Potential Convert: That doesn't sound very loving.
Jesus: Ah yes but he's going to use me as a scapegoat to get you off the hook he hung you on. He's going to manipulate the Romans into killing me so you can escape hell as long as you accept you have my blood on your hands...
... Actually that does sound a bit fucked up doesn't it. I tell you what let's forget it and go out for dinner.
Potential Convert: Sounds great. Can you do that trick with the water again? Only this time, can you make gin and tonic?
Nichlueless
You said
To which I asked, how many is that then?
Your reply;
...does not give a number!
So how many will be saved?
I read it Nickerless.
It still doesn't give a number.
I'm not ridiculing I'm asking a question, one which you seem to be unable to answer!
BTW are you going to be one of those saved?
Jesus: God is love.
Potential Convert: How does he demonstrate his Love?
Jesus: By sending me to show you how to see through all the deceit and distress evil causes...and how resurrection works.
Potential Convert: That doesn't sound very loving.
Jesus: Then don't get too concerned...but don't expect Wormwood to get too concerned either...It wont.
Potential Convert: Can you do that trick with the water again? Only this time, can you make gin and tonic?
Jesus: It's only science...I will show those who follow my righteous teaching, accurately, much more than that...shame you wont see it.
Rose/Brownie:
I can try.
Remember...Jesus Christ's accurate word is paramount. I am just a miserable sinner who has realised something that many others seem to have missed...and that is that behind all Biblical teaching is a knowledge that passeth all understanding...a science...based on the true dynamics of how this universe works and Jesus is lead scientist because he delivered that knowledge to us in a very clear and distinct way.
What it boils down to is that there is a wonderful dynamic energy behind everything. Almighty God is the personification of it and Jesus taught us how to harness it...via righteousness.
Truth is the keyword here...follow Jesus as he alone taught us and we are on the right track...but remember, many people make a nice living and wonderful privileges from a distorted version of that truth so it is Jesus Christ's accurate teaching or nothing. Now, you both, are well able to read and implement Jesus' accurate word in your own lives and that is great...but I must warn you that, though many seek that narrow gate, few there is that find it.
That's not a Jesus I would follow, NM.
I don't think it's the one in the bible either.
He seemed to value people and expected them to behave compassionately.
He never turned to doubting Thomas and said- shame you won't see it ( not in the bible anyway).
Nor did he say it to the woman who was being stoned for adultery or the criminal on the cross.
In fact he seemed to stand up for the downtrodden and spent his time in the company of people others ( at that time) often looked down on, women, prostitutes, tax collectors and publicans.
I seem to remember he is recorded as saying that how you judge others is how you would be judged.
You must have missed that bit.
I am just a miserable sinner who has realised something that many others seem to have missed...
Sparky,
As you are clearly lost to reason, I'm going to leave you to your fantasising.
Just before I do though, consider for a moment the Large Hadron Collider - the world's most powerful particle accelerator designed to conduct a suite of experiments to answer some of the fundamental open questions in physics concerning the basic laws governing the interactions and forces among the elementary objects, the deep structure of space and time, and the interrelation between quantum mechanics and general relativity. Fundamental information about the way the universe actually works.
Did you know that:
1. It cost £2.6bn to build.
2. The protons, when the machine is at full power, travel at a 99.9999991% of the speed of light.
3. The collisions generate temperatures more than 100,000 times hotter than the centre of the Sun.
4. Around 10,000 scientists and engineers from more than 60 countries work on LHC, supported by many more from universities and research facilities around the world.
5. The most powerful supercomputer system in the world was built to analyse the data generated by the LHC. It’s called the Grid and is formed from tens of thousands of interconnected computers scattered around the world. The data recorded by each of the big experiments at the LHC would fill around 100,000 dual-layer DVDs every year.
And then there's you. Little old you, who turns up on an internet message board to tell us that what all these people have "missed" is your grandiose conjectures about a "wonderful" this and a "dynamic" that. And you know this - really, really know this - because you've chosen to interpret a book you think to be "holy" in a particular way and because of a few YouTube videos. And what happens when you're challenged on your mistakes? You play the persecution card.
At some point surely something of this must penetrate the ignorant certainties you so relentlessly parade and jealously guard here mustn't it?
Mustn't it?
I would have thought it obvious bluehillside that I was talking about a naturally induced collider and used the Hadron name to empathise that the mechanics were similar...that is, two dense energy sources hurtling towards each other at high-speed...colliding with each other and creating the things that science is searching for in their $2 billion mock up of it.
I'm sorry if you couldn't stretch your mind round this but I am sorrier that you don't find the Biblical comfort I do from such a wonderful teaching as the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.
NM: "...realised something that many others seem to have missed...and that is that behind all Biblical teaching is a knowledge that passeth all understanding. ..."
I have a sense of the knowledge being something that transcends Biblical study; the things we worry and argue about here would occupy a far smaller proportion of our lives than they do now. Do you believe everyone can achieve that? Whilst I know one must be open, I can't help feeling that many will be, sincerely, worrying until Kingdom Come because it is in their God-given nature. In which case, they cannot be ascribed blame.
Hi NM,
As Christ said that all the Laws and teachings of the Prophets were based on his two commandments... how, do you, propose that those who do not believe actually follow the commandment to love God with all their heart?
If you hear about Christ and reject him how can anyone follow his teachings?
the whole world might repent...especially if a wonderful science were to emerge which stated that righteousness is the only way to go forward..
There is a time limit and that isn't far off if we are reading the Biblical signs correctly.How far off is that then?
Did we miss the bit where Jesus taught science?
Not sure NM that we can really make a fire with this type of teaching.
Surely the creation nature would be rub two sticks together... but the truth for the bible have always been the fire which comes from the presence of the Holy Spirit meeting with persons?
What are the chances of that wonderful science emerging Nick?
If that isn't the introduction to a wonderful science I don't know what is.
How far off is that then?
Weeks, months, years?
Only answer if you are reading the signs correctly though!
How far off is that then?
Weeks, months, years?
Only answer if you are reading the signs correctly though!
Sparky,Couldn't all of that money have been better spent on the arts which a lot more people could have benefitted from.........for instance?
As you are clearly lost to reason, I'm going to leave you to your fantasising.
Just before I do though, consider for a moment the Large Hadron Collider - the world's most powerful particle accelerator designed to conduct a suite of experiments to answer some of the fundamental open questions in physics concerning the basic laws governing the interactions and forces among the elementary objects, the deep structure of space and time, and the interrelation between quantum mechanics and general relativity. Fundamental information about the way the universe actually works.
Did you know that:
1. It cost £2.6bn to build.
2. The protons, when the machine is at full power, travel at a 99.9999991% of the speed of light.
3. The collisions generate temperatures more than 100,000 times hotter than the centre of the Sun.
4. Around 10,000 scientists and engineers from more than 60 countries work on LHC, supported by many more from universities and research facilities around the world.
5. The most powerful supercomputer system in the world was built to analyse the data generated by the LHC. It’s called the Grid and is formed from tens of thousands of interconnected computers scattered around the world. The data recorded by each of the big experiments at the LHC would fill around 100,000 dual-layer DVDs every year.
And then there's you. Little old you, who turns up on an internet message board to tell us that what all these people have "missed" is your grandiose conjectures about a "wonderful" this and a "dynamic" that. And you know this - really, really know this - because you've chosen to interpret a book you think to be "holy" in a particular way and because of a few YouTube videos. And what happens when you're challenged on your mistakes? You play the persecution card.
At some point surely something of this must penetrate the ignorant certainties you so relentlessly parade and jealously guard here mustn't it?
Mustn't it?
Couldn't all of that money have been better spent on the arts which a lot more people could have benefitted from.........for instance?As perhaps an interpretation of your posts in the medium of dance?
Couldn't all of that money have been better spent on the arts which a lot more people could have benefitted from.........for instance?
Vlad,Yes and spending it elsewhere could also have contributed to the economy.
No, and here's why:
http://www.popsci.com/scitech/article/2008-09/defense-lhc
Incidentally, you do realise that "all that money" isn't put on a rocket and sent into space or something don't you? It actually pays for wages, for goods and services (whose providers pay the wages of their staff) and for all sorts of other things that enter the "real" economy. And guess what - many of those people who have their wages paid spend some of it on supporting the arts!
Funny old world innit?
Yes and spending it elsewhere could also have contributed to the economy.
On the other hand the money could have been squandered on string theorists.
Yes and spending it elsewhere could also have contributed to the economy.ok, please outline your plans for investment of money and explain why you think investment in mime will save the human race
On the other hand the money could have been squandered on string theorists.
Vlad,£2.6 bn ..............do you realise how many cathedrals you can get for that?
And would the spending "elsewhere" also have promised the remarkable track record of economic and social benefits that science has always provided? Read the article for more info.
£2.6 bn ..............do you realise how many cathedrals you can get for that?
ok, please outline your plans for investment of money and explain why you think investment in mime will save the human raceI didn't say mime I said the arts. Don't be such a philistine.
Vlad,Really..........I find you endlessly entertaining.
About one and a half?
Congrats though - that's the first time you've ever made me laugh!
I didn't say mime I said the arts. Don't be such a philistine.
Really..........I find you endlessly entertaining.
Vlad,The arts are part of the economy too.
Puppetry then.
One of the things about the arts (of which I'm a fan by the way) is that they tend to need people to support them - to pay for the music, buy the books, visit the galleries etc. And to do that, those people need to have jobs to provide some money. And money comes from economic activity. And successful economies rely heavily of the fruits of science...
Vlad,Yes...........when you're on bubbles come out of my arse.
In the same way that my goldfish will be "entertained" by the late Beethoven Quartets presumably.
All:
I have presented the science...It is a righteous science drawn from the Holy Bible. It is of no matter that atheists now want to crush that science with ridicule...the truth has been submitted to you all and the circumstances of our future existence on this planet has been explained.
Good luck to each and every one of you...Almighty God will not allow a single weakness in his future plans so best to pay heed...now...while there is still time.'
In the meantime...follow the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ and be saved.
.
You may feel very aggrieved at your own reasoning Khatru but Biblical truth tells us a different tale. It tells us of a God who started this planet going again...he resurrected it after it became void and he wanted to run it as a righteous extension to his own heavenly domain. We, or those who were alive then decided to defy him and his word and soon a huge warring fraternity was claiming there was no God or that their god was better. In fact it was all a con-trick. It is useful to get people worshipping a false religion whilst false priests and false authorities enslave the masses by their good nature...but Almighty God was having none of it. He had a plan and resurrection looms large in that plan...especially as all those who ever lived will be resurrected to stand up against God's Judgement.
It's really a question of whether you can see Jesus as an honest, open, caring, righteous extension of Almighty God's true nature.
With every respect Floo...theology isn't the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.
he didn't hide the fact that he was a mighty God who doesn't argue with riff-raf.
That's why these last days are a time when we shouldn't argue with him
That might be credible if God had punished the people who were actually treating the Hebrews badly. Instead, he indulged in the whole sale slaughter of every first born son regardless of whether they were actually guilty or not, including those of slaves. Furthermore, if you were a second born on who had been mistreating Hebrews, you got away scot free.
Also, nobody who drowned in the flood was guilty of mistreating hebrews.
Hi NM,
As Christ said that all the Laws and teachings of the Prophets were based on his two commandments... how, do you, propose that those who do not believe actually follow the commandment to love God with all their heart?
If you hear about Christ and reject him how can anyone follow his teachings?
Almighty God, himself, said, he wasn't slow as we consider slowness but so that all those who can be saved are saved. This means that many who are now outside the faith can be saved...but Jesus wont alter his righteous stance to provide for them. They must come to the truth of the faith. There is a time limit and that isn't far off if we are reading the Biblical signs correctly.
For my part, I see a wonderful science outlined from Jesus' teaching and think that by explaining this science might encourage atheists to see the error of their ways...but the science will prove itself...and millions have seen some of that logic without my help.
The accurate teaching of Jesus Christ and/or Almighty God doesn't need my help but there are positive guidelines which say that their teaching is the front to a wonderful science...
...Look into the heavens...who made these things...with the superabundance of his dynamic energy (mighty power)...not one is missing.
If that isn't the introduction to a wonderful science I don't know what is.
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
There are many clues in the Holy Bible which suggests that this same material...God's mighty power (dynamic energy) is the creative force behind everything in the universe (including science)...is owned by Almighty God and is the driving force behind all of science and on the strength of this I have explored the possibility that encased within Jesus Christ's accurate teaching is a science...a wonderful science that defies the wisdom of intellects who otherwise prefer their own reasoning which excludes God.
Everything I say usually ends with the rider...follow the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ and, thereby follow a wonderful science...but, it seems...not many want to do this even though their salvation depends on it.
Your making that latter part up! It is TRUTH that Jesus and the Almighty Father has. It requires nothing but acceptance and belief.
The stars and the real wonder is God calls each one by name.
It wasn't science that Christ or the Apostles preached but God and Jesus his Messiah.
You have your way, I respect it is your way. But Christ is Gods only way for man to know God.
This is a wonderful introduction to the truth... For all man observes, sees ponders was put here by God.
Science is manmade reasoning God doesn't require science as he the font of all knowledge.
There salvation... is there salvation outside being saved?
Your making that latter part up! It is TRUTH that Jesus and the Almighty Father has. It requires nothing but acceptance and belief.
The stars and the real wonder is God calls each one by name.
It wasn't science that Christ or the Apostles preached but God and Jesus his Messiah.
You have your way, I respect it is your way. But Christ is Gods only way for man to know God.
This is a wonderful introduction to the truth... For all man observes, sees ponders was put here by God.
Science is manmade reasoning God doesn't require science as he the font of all knowledge.
There salvation... is there salvation outside being saved?
Some of what you say Sassy is spot on but other things need slight guidence.
If Almighty God created the universe he created it by filling it with science...a science which in the wrong hands is very destructive...fortunately we serve the scirntific authority with righteous hands and Jesus taught us those righteous laws. Just by following those rules accurately we earn great benefits because we are activating Jesus' science. A science that says we can be resurrected. It isn't necessary to understand that science but atheists need a little more prompting...especially in these last days.
The only thing stopping a person believing is themselves and their choice.
science
"sʌɪəns"
noun
The intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.
"the world of science and technology"
synonyms: branch of knowledge, body of knowledge/information/facts, area of study, discipline, field
"the science of criminology"
a particular area of science.
plural noun: sciences
"veterinary science"
a systematically organized body of knowledge on a particular subject.
"the science of criminology"
poetry
ˈpəʊɪtri"
noun
literary work in which the expression of feelings and ideas is given intensity by the use of distinctive style and rhythm; poems collectively or as a genre of literature.
"he felt a desire to investigate through poetry the subjects of pain and death"
Sassy,This is flawed. 2+2=4 can be shown to be true, so no belief is necessary.
Just out of interest, could you "choose" to believe that 2+2=5?
If not, what makes you think that some of us "choose" not to accept either the very bad arguments some theists make, or for that matter the assertions and claims you and NM make without bothering with the supporting arguments bit at all?Your mind is already made up, so you have already chosen. The analogy you have used betrays your position.
This is flawed. 2+2=4 can be shown to be true, so no belief is necessary.
Once again, you are assuming a conclusion (something that is false) and comparing it with religious belief, as if the two are comparable.
Your mind is already made up, so you have already chosen. The analogy you have used betrays your position.
Worse still, you are not in a position to change your mind as your position is not falsifiable.
You seem to think bluehillside that no serious collection of facts and data are involved in my science but again you are mistaken. Now you will ask me to give facts and data but frankly your attitude is all wrong.
While we are on mathematics, here's one for the atheists...
1+1=10. True, or false?
If you have verifiable data for your version of 'science' then surely you should provide it so it can be scrutinised.
Some of what you say Sassy is spot on but other things need slight guidence.
If Almighty God created the universe he created it by filling it with science...a science which in the wrong hands is very destructive...
fortunately we serve the scirntific authority with righteous hands and Jesus taught us those righteous laws. Just by following those rules accurately we earn great benefits because we are activating Jesus' science. A science that says we can be resurrected. It isn't necessary to understand that science but atheists need a little more prompting...especially in these last days.No Nicholas you cannot put 'science' as a cover for the power of God. Since God was neither created or made but existed before the world and before man thought to use the word science. The first scientist were Christian they sort to explain the way things carry on day after day not replace God for a manmade explanation of events.
All…
Moving on with the science behind Jesus Christ’ electric/spiritual universe…we should now know that in the beginning, represented here by the righteous ‘word’ of Almighty God…we now have the entire universe responding to some powerful shock-waves created by the very first radio signals, amplifying outwards, the product of the collision force of two, dense cores, themselves the centres of two dynamic clouds of indestructible dynamic energy, of which there were already trillions that had been drifting around the great void of space for all eternity.
The consequences of this, was, that all of these mass-less clouds were hurtling outward at the speed of the expanding universe and all spinning up into terrible hurricane storms. Some clouds crashed into other clouds creating a galaxy with a slightly different footprint but the norm would lead to spiral-galaxies with a massive black-hole at their centre…representing the surviving remnant of the power-house that created all the stars that were to be processed by it.
Something very strange was taking place because lying on top of that static pre-big-bang dimension of the universe was now a high-speed dimension and laws that had never existed previously were about to be born.
All…
Moving on with the science behind Jesus Christ’ electric/spiritual universe…we should now know that in the beginning, represented here by the righteous ‘word’ of Almighty God…we now have the entire universe responding to some powerful shock-waves created by the very first radio signals, amplifying outwards, the product of the collision force of two, dense cores, themselves the centres of two dynamic clouds of indestructible dynamic energy, of which there were already trillions that had been drifting around the great void of space for all eternity.
The consequences of this, was, that all of these mass-less clouds were hurtling outward at the speed of the expanding universe and all spinning up into terrible hurricane storms. Some clouds crashed into other clouds creating a galaxy with a slightly different footprint but the norm would lead to spiral-galaxies with a massive black-hole at their centre…representing the surviving remnant of the power-house that created all the stars that were to be processed by it.
Something very strange was taking place because lying on top of that static pre-big-bang dimension of the universe was now a high-speed dimension and laws that had never existed previously were about to be born.
While we are on mathematics, here's one for the atheists...Declare your Base then you can get an accurate response.
1+1=10. True, or false?
All…
Moving on with the science behind Jesus Christ’ electric/spiritual universe…we should now know that in the beginning, represented here by the righteous ‘word’ of Almighty God…we now have the entire universe responding to some powerful shock-waves created by the very first radio signals, amplifying outwards, the product of the collision force of two, dense cores, themselves the centres of two dynamic clouds of indestructible dynamic energy, of which there were already trillions that had been drifting around the great void of space for all eternity.
The consequences of this, was, that all of these mass-less clouds were hurtling outward at the speed of the expanding universe and all spinning up into terrible hurricane storms. Some clouds crashed into other clouds creating a galaxy with a slightly different footprint but the norm would lead to spiral-galaxies with a massive black-hole at their centre…representing the surviving remnant of the power-house that created all the stars that were to be processed by it.
Something very strange was taking place because lying on top of that static pre-big-bang dimension of the universe was now a high-speed dimension and laws that had never existed previously were about to be born.
You obviously had a nightmare last night, Nick.
Actually I slept well. Recently I have been able to sleep much as I did as a child...with a deep, refreshing and purposeful sleep...but you don't want to know about that...do you??
No but we want the data you have to support your 'science'!
Floo,
Maybe he'll let you have it "soon"?
Nick why don't you ever show anybody on this forum some evidence that this he, she or it thing you refer to as god or electric god if you like, actually exists.
It's no good saying the bible proves god exists because you need to verify this bible of yours can be proved to be the words of this god of yours, before you can offer up the bible as evidence for the existence of your he, she or it thing you call god.
I've never seen a straight answer from you, about where you have gained the evidence that would prove this god of yours does actually exist.
Once you've supplied some, any, verifiable evidence that this god of yours does exist all of us, so called atheists, will all be joining you.
Hasn't it occurred to you the only reason we keep questioning you is because you haven't supplied anything like some verifiable evidence proving this god of yours exists, or that the things in the bible are supportable facts either?
Have a good day Nick, ippy.
P S I'll bet you don't give a straight answer to this post of mine, mind it'll be interesting to see how you avoid answering these types of questions again, this time.
Actually I slept well. Recently I have been able to sleep much as I did as a child...with a deep, refreshing and purposeful sleep...but you don't want to know about that...do you??
As I understand it the guy who came out with the big-bang idea simply recognised that the galaxies were hurtling away from a central point and deduced that if you reversed this process they would all merge at a single point in space. To try and get the energy conservation principle embodied into it they declared a singularity where all these trillions upon trillions of megatons of energy were compressed into a tiny dot smaller than a pin-prick...and that is what science believed. Some of those scientists are now saying that it can't possibly be true but it has taken a long time. I have come up with a better idea drawn from the Holy Bible and if correct offers a cure-all for all our mistakes...the biggest mistake being that Wormwood is fast approaching and we should be considering how to save ourselves whilst those reading and implementing the Holy Bible have assurances which are well worth reading about.
The science is to help those who might be a little more stubborn than others...because Almighty God, nor Jesus Christ will bend their righteous laws to allow those who are unrepentant into their new heavens and new Earth.
Ignorance is no defence in the eyes of Wormwood.
You are the only person I have ever come across who has used the word 'wormwood' in connection with religion!You haven't been reading the Bible then
You haven't been reading the Bible then
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormwood_(Bible)
All..the biggest mistake being that Wormwood is fast approachingPrecisely how fast is it approaching Nick?
No, Nick, but I would like you to prefix your posts with "As I see it" instead of giving a sermon that is designed to impress us of your superior knowledge. All these dynamic theories you come on here with are the product of your vivid imagination and have no scientific basis in them, whatsoever!
You and Sword each have a big ego, but nothing much else.
Precisely how fast is it approaching Nick?
"My science Floo has tipped your science on its head."
"...whilst I simply imply that I am just a humble and discreet slave..."
Hmmm...
When you refer all of your points back to the Holy bible, as I see it...you are giving honour and respect to the author of that righteous work...which...is the product of many people inspired by righteousness (truth and honesty) which is useful because the science of righteousness is embodied into the entirety of that book...as I see it...whilst I simply imply that I am just a humble and discreet slave of its teaching.
My science that already has an owner and delivered it to us via his son Jesus Christ...I can't see too much unhumbleness there.
Precisely how fast is it approaching Nick?
I have looked Nick.
Look on YouTube Seb...there are some very clever people making various predictions...
When you refer all of your points back to the Holy bible, as I see it...you are giving honour and respect to the author of that righteous work...which...is the product of many people inspired by righteousness (truth and honesty) which is useful because the science of righteousness is embodied into the entirety of that book...as I see it...whilst I simply imply that I am just a humble and discreet slave of its teaching.
I have looked Nick.
The problem is, how does one tell which predictions are correct and which ones are are not? There are so many!
I mean, the ones which have predicted its arrival in the past, are obviously wrong!
So which ones are correct?
I presume that you have looked as well - haven't you?
Which ones ore ones do you believe are the most accurate?
If you just stuck to righteousness - which I have always taken to mean doing as much good as you can and harming nothing deliberately, I would have no problems with you, Nick. All this made up scientific theory is just unnecessary and just makes you a laughing stock.
If there is a god somewhere and he created everything with a wave of his hand, he didn't need to study how things work ... that is the essence iof science, Nick, the study of everything - why would God ever need to do that? So scientist, he ain't ... if he is anything at all.
Look on YouTube Seb...there are some very clever people making various predictions...
I believe in the one Seb that says...No one knows the hour or the day, no, not even the son, only the father who is in Heaven.
Nick you are spinning yourself dizzy in trying to avoid answering very simple questions.
In response to YOU saying that Wormwood is fast approaching, I asked just how fast is it approaching?
Your response (avoidance one might say) was
So, as requested, I did look on youtube but as I found out there are too many different predictions to select accurately from.
The general assumption I must make though is that as you are making the statement - it is fast approaching - then YOU surely must have some sound evidence to back it up.
YOU suggest that youtube is a source for the answer.
It isn't, unless you have done some 'accurate' filtering to get to the ones which you would stand by if selected.
YOU don't seem to be able to answer that, it looks like YOU have not done any research at all, doesn't it?
Especially, very especially when you done you super slippery Teflon suit and come back with this;
It doesn't really answer the query, does it?
There is your first mistake then jjohnjil...you are telling me and the Holy Bible what righteousness is without bothering to read it, or, if you have, reading it wrong.
Ok righteousness embodies good works but mainly it is showing us how to upbuild a righteous spirit so that we can be saved...the good works, providing they are righteous good works help those mechanics but believing in Almighty God and following Jesus Christ, accurately comes first.
There is so much more but you just aren't listening...I put it down to heavy brain-washing.
So it is, as I supposed, merely your way of escaping death and so that you can spend eternity playing your harp on some fluffy cloud.
Have you ever wondered why God wants you to believe in him, Nick. With all that power and knowledge, being able to create universes with no trouble at all, he still feels the need of his little minions to believe in him.
Have you ever considered it more likely that the people who were trying to start a religion would be the ones who needed people to believe in it? Selling London Bridge comes to mind.
I believe in the one Seb that says...No one knows the hour or the day, no, not even the son, only the father who is in Heaven.
You see what I mean about circular argument...you have no desire to know the answer but are happy to ridicule and go round and round in circles like those who believe in atheism and incidentally...those who follow the brain-washing of their manipulators.
Jesus didn't escape death, so a follower of Jesus must always be mindful that they wont court harmony from those who despise Jesus. Therefore we have to have faith in his resurrection.
No...what us really at stake here is that, by virtue of a natural event...foretold thousands of years ago, that a terrible catastrophe will hit this planet. It will build up slowly but will come to a mighty climax.
But we can be saved and those that are will be shown how to live forever...without death or ill health. Hence a science that will achieve all this. A science that cannot contradict the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ one iota.
Not only will we (if I am among that number) have everlasting life we will have a science with incredible reach because it will transport to all corners of the universe...a dream that only scientists can yet dream about but through Jesus Christ's accurate teaching will become a reality.
Circular reasoning
Circular reasoning (Latin: circulus in probando, "circle in proving"; also known as circular logic) is a logical fallacy in which the reasoner begins with what they are trying to end with.
Example:
“God exists because it says so in a book; the book is accurate because God made it so; God exists because it says so in a book" etc.
Question
A question is a linguistic expression used to make a request for information, or the request made using such an expression. The information requested should be provided in the form of an answer.
Example:
“What do you mean by “soon”?”
There is no evidence Jesus escaped death, if he did why didn't he stay around on Earth?
As for the rest, instead of looking for some calamity to strike humanity why don't you try to enjoy the life you have here as best as you can, letting any after death life, if there is one, take care of itself? If there isn't any afterlife you are a long time dead.
While we are on mathematics, here's one for the atheists...
1+1=10. True, or false?
Remember Floo...I want to be part of that after-life...in the flesh, in good health and happiness for all eternity whilst on the other hand I don't like the idea of swirling around a fiery lake of sulphur for all eternity.
The choice is ours, up to a point...and I fear that point will arrive soon...(soon here meaning an indeterminate time that isn't far off but that no one knows just how long but Almighty God).
Soon is an undetermined time that is gauged by the parameters you measure time by...therefore...if you are travelling at the speed of light soon could be a very long way away. If in your time range a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years a day...then soon could mean, soon for us, or soon for the one controlling that soon...and it isn't me.The question is - which clock are you guaging it by?
If, after 4000 years, a body of a number of planets are heading our way which will, like a pregnant women going into labour, cause slow mayhem which will increase into a terrible event, then preparation for that event should start immediately and not wait for what may happen soon. But the source of that knowledge says there is only one way to prepare for it and I suggest you start pretty soon...depending on which clock you are gauging soon by.
Circular argument Seb...It doesn't bother me...I have reasoned out all the things I will say beforehand but you have a fetish for it.Are you using the word 'imminent' in the same way that you are torturing the English language by your use of the word 'soon'?
If I say I believe the Holy Bible then I am saying I believe in that quote...If I refer you to YouTube then the obvious conclusion I would have thought is that no one really knows but it looks imminent.
I only bother telling you this because others who might read this post might want to know, where as, I am convinced, you don't.
But if it is a thousand years away then you don't have to do anything 'immediately'!
If, after 4000 years, a body of a number of planets are heading our way which will, like a pregnant women going into labour, cause slow mayhem which will increase into a terrible event, then preparation for that event should start immediately
Jesus didn't escape death, so a follower of Jesus must always be mindful that they wont court harmony from those who despise Jesus. Therefore we have to have faith in his resurrection.
No...what us really at stake here is that, by virtue of a natural event...foretold thousands of years ago, that a terrible catastrophe will hit this planet. It will build up slowly but will come to a mighty climax.
But we can be saved and those that are will be shown how to live forever...without death or ill health. Hence a science that will achieve all this. A science that cannot contradict the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ one iota.
Not only will we (if I am among that number) have everlasting life we will have a science with incredible reach because it will transport to all corners of the universe...a dream that only scientists can yet dream about but through Jesus Christ's accurate teaching will become a reality.
You have no idea if an afterlife exists, and if it does what it is like. The Bible is not the fount of all knowledge at all as it a very human creation, imo. I think the idea of the paradise you think heaven is would get very boring after a while. I am hoping that when I die I cease to be.
That is part of the teaching Floo...paradise, in the form of that static dimension I am alluding to, where time stands still and where we can feel the peace that passeth all understanding is achievable for us to reach. Biblically in the first instance but scientifically in the second instance...we simply have to follow Jesus Christ accurately, upbuild a righteous spirit from that indestructible source that created stars and atoms...believe in the righteousness of Almighty God...follow their righteous path and be saved...really...it is as simple as that.
In the Holy Bible it is called repentance and we have a little time left...I think.
None of that makes one iota of sense to me, NM!
That is because you prefer arguing your point instead of listening to Jesus and getting the gist of his teaching.
While we are on mathematics, here's one for the atheists...
1+1=10. True, or false?
As I have said before I don't believe Jesus was any sort of god, he comes over as very human to me with faults and failing just like the rest of us. Yes he is reputed as saying some sensible things, and some with which I would disagree.
As I understand it the guy who came out with the big-bang idea simply recognised that the galaxies were hurtling away from a central point and deduced that if you reversed this process they would all merge at a single point in space. To try and get the energy conservation principle embodied into it they declared a singularity where all these trillions upon trillions of megatons of energy were compressed into a tiny dot smaller than a pin-prick...and that is what science believed. Some of those scientists are now saying that it can't possibly be true but it has taken a long time. I have come up with a better idea drawn from the Holy Bible and if correct offers a cure-all for all our mistakes...the biggest mistake being that Wormwood is fast approaching and we should be considering how to save ourselves whilst those reading and implementing the Holy Bible have assurances which are well worth reading about.
The science is to help those who might be a little more stubborn than others...because Almighty God, nor Jesus Christ will bend their righteous laws to allow those who are unrepentant into their new heavens and new Earth.
Ignorance is no defence in the eyes of Wormwood.
Wormwood is getting closer every day.How much closer?
How much closer?
How much closer?
The invisible things of God are seen by those things that are visible. I am showing you thos invisible things by reasoncand kogic...Somehow you cannot get your heads round it so may I suggest you simply try to follow the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ else resign yourselves to your fate.
Look, I've got a SparkyBot..................That's got to be the ultimate Hillside quote.
Hello, is that IT Support? It is? ..........LMFAO!
All
The invisible things of God are seen by those things that are visible. I am showing you those invisible things by reason and kogic...Somehow you cannot get your heads round it so may I suggest you simply try to follow the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ else resign yourselves to your fate.
All...
Later today, when I have more time, I will introduce the fundamenral forces into my science...all of which are the product of Almighty God's written word which offers the primary clue, whch is, that he is the highest authority in the universe and over all science which all hinge from his superabundant dynamic energy.
Ths topic will then be complete and I will at least know why disbelievers will fail God's Judgement...it is because their minds have locked out righteousness and, thereby, they have no chance of righteous repair.
All...
Later today, when I have more time, I will introduce the fundamenral forces into my science...all of which are the product of Almighty God's written word which offers the primary clue, whch is, that he is the highest authority in the universe and over all science which all hinge from his superabundant dynamic energy.
This topic will then be complete and I will at least know why disbelievers will fail God's Judgement...it is because their minds have locked out righteousness and, thereby, they have no chance of righteous repair.
All…
Moving on with the science behind Jesus Christ’ electric/spiritual universe…we should now know that in the beginning, represented here by the righteous ‘word’ of Almighty God…we now have the entire universe responding to some powerful shock-waves created by the very first radio signals, amplifying outwards, the product of the collision force of two, dense cores, themselves the centres of two dynamic clouds of indestructible dynamic energy, of which there were already trillions that had been drifting around the great void of space for all eternity.
The consequences of this, was, that all of these mass-less clouds were hurtling outward at the speed of the expanding universe and all spinning up into terrible hurricane storms. Some clouds crashed into other clouds creating a galaxy with a slightly different footprint but the norm would lead to spiral-galaxies with a massive black-hole at their centre…representing the surviving remnant of the power-house that created all the stars that were to be processed by it.
Something very strange was taking place because lying on top of that static pre-big-bang dimension of the universe was now a high-speed dimension and laws that had never existed previously were about to be born.
All…
The 4 fundamental forces of nature are the product of modern sciences reasoning. Every behaviour and activity in the universe must equate into one of these forces which are…
Gravity: The Strong Nuclear Force: The Weaker Atomic Force: and, Electromagnetic Force.
I like to include the living cell here as well because the invisible, electric nature of the living cell was also carved from these same mechanics…though that topic deserves its own thread…and, perhaps, a more righteous audience.
You see…if by following the above post #371…there is an expanding universe with dense mass-less clouds of galaxy proportions, spinning up into hurricane storm forces all over the place, then those tornadoes within those clouds would dig a hole, deep within that galaxy cloud. It is all happening very quickly when the eye of a tornado hovering over the dense core of that material sucks in huge amounts of that material. There are perhaps many tornadoes imitating the same behaviour and as a consequence huge dense balls of concentrated energy are being swirled up the tornadoes column as mass-less stars, which are themselves swirling masses of dense electric energy.
These stars are using similar mechanics as the galaxy cloud whereby the swirling, crashing forces are making tiny holes in their fabric…the slightest hint of such a hole would be sufficient…and so the powerful nuclear force is being created on the micro-level of this fundamental science…sucking in their own atomic material in the way that atoms display in science today. Now we have dense atomic material that was once an invisible dynamic energy but is now particles but could also be waves of electromagnetic force.
Gravity is the remnant of the imploding force that is behind the construction of all mass and it is all possible because of the two clashing dimensions of the universe…the original static dimension of the universe and the high-speed dimension that we live in.
Now…this post is getting a little longer than intended…so I will leave you with this thought…it is all built on top of modern science…it’s just that Almighty God got there first and Jesus Christ showed us how to implement the fruits of their righteous science into our daily lives with absolute faith in his father’s teaching which included resurrection.
Bloody Argos! You have to take everything back!
Why don't you answer any post that asks for evidence that would support/supply evidence for your bible's claim to be the words of this god thing of yours.
ippy
I don't think you should ask Nicko to justify such claims about the Bible, since as far as I can see, he limits himself to about three quotes, one from Genesis 1.1, one from Isaiah, and one short reference to Chapter 8 of Revelation.
The rest is very much his own (and even the above three are subject to Nick's highly imaginative 'interpretation').
As for justifying what he thinks is 'science', well, I suspect a number of worthy souls have lost the will to live in trying to get a straight answer from the Dynamic Fountainhead.
All
The invisible things of God are seen by those things that are visible. I am showing you those invisible things by reason and kogic...Somehow you cannot get your heads round it so may I suggest you simply try to follow the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ else resign yourselves to your fate.
Is it because you haven't got any sensible evidence that supports the existence this god figure of yours the reason why you don't answer the questions asked?
Is it because you haven't got any sensible evidence that supports the existence this god figure of yours the reason why you don't answer the questions asked?
Probably more this pattern...
Atheist to Christian: Cite evidence for your belief?
Christian: Cites evidence A
Atheist: That's not evidence. Try again
Christian: Cites evidence B
Atheist: That's not evidence. Try again
Christian: Cites evidence C
Atheist: That's not evidence. Try again
Christian: Cites evidence D
Atheist: That's not evidence. Try again
Christian: Cites evidence E
Atheist: That's not evidence. Try again
...
Probably more this pattern...Illustrated in the very next post by BeRational:
Atheist to Christian: Cite evidence for your belief?
Christian: Cites evidence A
Atheist: That's not evidence. Try again
Christian: Cites evidence B
Atheist: That's not evidence. Try again
Christian: Cites evidence C
Atheist: That's not evidence. Try again
Christian: Cites evidence D
Atheist: That's not evidence. Try again
Christian: Cites evidence E
Atheist: That's not evidence. Try again
...
To help you out though, words in a book, any book, can never be evidence for a miracle.
Illustrated in the very next post by BeRational:
Probably more this pattern...
Atheist to Christian: Cite evidence for your belief?
Christian: Cites evidence A
Probably more this pattern...
Atheist to Christian: Cite evidence for your belief?
Christian: Cites evidence A
Atheist: That's not evidence. Try again
Christian: Cites evidence B
Atheist: That's not evidence. Try again
Christian: Cites evidence C
Atheist: That's not evidence. Try again
Christian: Cites evidence D
Atheist: That's not evidence. Try again
Christian: Cites evidence E
Atheist: That's not evidence. Try again
Do you accept ALL claims in any book?What you have said here can be applied to any book. Short of being there and being able to observe for myself, there is no way to know for sure. I choose to believe it by faith however.
People lie, make mistakes, and exaggerate when writing things down.
How do you know this did not happen?
What you have said here can be applied to any book. Short of being there and being able to observe for myself, there is no way to know for sure. I choose to believe it by faith however.
It would be worse. Sir David Attenborough claims that life started in the sea four billion years ago when complex chemicals began to come together. Life from non-life. Observable? If so, where? Demonstrable? If so, how?
We do not believe it because he said so.Evidence, interpreted with a worldview that says
The evidence points to his conclusion with DNA and fossils.
What you have said here can be applied to any book. Short of being there and being able to observe for myself, there is no way to know for sure. I choose to believe it by faith however.
It would be worse. Sir David Attenborough claims that life started in the sea four billion years ago when complex chemicals began to come together. Life from non-life. Observable? If so, where? Demonstrable? If so, how?
Evidence, interpreted with a worldview that says
given that life started and developed naturally, how did it happen?
Fair enough, if that's what you choose to believe. I prefer to see (believe) DNA as evidence of common design, in the same way that letters are used for written text, notes are used for all written music, code is used for all computer software, etc.
Dear All...
I have just given you all the evidence you need. I have said that all the evidence of modern science is on the right track just put together all wrong...but with certain key-points extracted from the Holy Bible their sciences makes even more sense than modern scientists today realise.
Almighty God wants to help you...even though you slander and slag him off daily...especially, more so now that we are in the last days...after which repentance will be futile.
If you look around the world today you see a world full of pain...your pain as well as everyone else's. Repairing our crumbling health should be our first priority...those who get a head start will have the best chance of survival in the new heavens and the new Earth.
So...ok...If you ignore your own sciences, I could have made the whole thing up...but you can't blame me for the Holy Bible...which says the same things.
God is love...he wants us to know that his loving force is freely available to those who can meet his requirements which are righteousness...if there is any doubts about what righteousness is consult the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.
ippy
You think?
Dear All...
I have just given you all the evidence you need. I have said that all the evidence of modern science is on the right track just put together all wrong...but with certain key-points extracted from the Holy Bible their sciences makes even more sense than modern scientists today realise.
Almighty God wants to help you...even though you slander and slag him off daily...especially, more so now that we are in the last days...after which repentance will be futile.
If you look around the world today you see a world full of pain...your pain as well as everyone else's. Repairing our crumbling health should be our first priority...those who get a head start will have the best chance of survival in the new heavens and the new Earth.
So...ok...If you ignore your own sciences, I could have made the whole thing up...but you can't blame me for the Holy Bible...which says the same things.
God is love...he wants us to know that his loving force is freely available to those who can meet his requirements which are righteousness...if there is any doubts about what righteousness is consult the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.
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These days though there's no excuse for it given what we actually know about DNA and its development over time.
Yes DNA is a brilliant bit of Kit isn't it.
And the great part is that life will next appear from mere chemicals by the design of intelligent scientists.
In your post above Nick you said, "Almighty God wants to help you", this claim that you know almighty god want's to help us, it's only possible to say this if you have viable evidence to back up this assertion of yours.
The fact that you haven't any viable evidence that would back up your god idea also negates the bible as a sauce of evidence because without supportable evidence for this god figure of yours it then short circuits the bible because it becomes unsupportable due to the complete lack of viable evidence of god existing therefore no god no evidence for any of the godly things mentioned in the bible.
If you can understand the above why would you come back talking about any kind of god given guidance, instead of answering with some irrefutable evidence for this god of yours, or as you should be admitting that you haven't got any evidence that would support this god idea of yours.
I think because there is no evidence that would support the idea of gods throws you into denial and that's why you won't answer and never have however the question is posed to you.
Where's the evidence for this god of yours Nick, that's the question you're being asked, no sermon wanted, needed or asked for?
ippy
Sword,
That's nice - provided that is you remember that your choosing to believe it as a matter of faith makes it just your personal opinion on the matter and not an argument for a "true for you too" god.
Seriously?
The origin of life is uncertain, but biochemistry provided evidence from how primitive nucleic acids, amino acids and other building blocks of life could have formed and organised themselves into self-replicating, self-sustaining units. This would be the pre-cursor to cellular biochemistry. Astrochemical analyses suggest that some of these compounds might have originated arrived in comets, which in turn could solve the problem of how they arose under the conditions that prevailed when our planet was young.
Creationists claim that the incomplete answer to the origins of life on earth somehow invalidates evolutionary theory. It does no such thing though because the theory is still confirmed by countless observations of the fossil record, of DNA etc. This is still true even if it turned out that, say, life was started by aliens seeding Earth and then disappearing.
And even if none of that was he case, you'd still committing the basic logical error of the argument from personal incredulity, closely followed no doubt by the god of the gaps fallacy.
Your efforts here are really, really poor stuff old son. Really poor.
Of course...Wormwood will have the last say on this matter. Jesus Christ and Almighty God want to help us because they have told us the only universal laws that will. They have laid down their terms and conditions...all summed up in one word...righteousness...the same laws Jesus taught us. We know, if we read the sentiment, accuracy and truth in their written word, that even we will be resurrected...even you...but some will go to eternal life and others to eternal damnation.
God isn't slow as some consider slowness...he is holding back so that all those who can be saved, are saved.
You see...and I am sorry for keep saying this, though it is in your own best interest...that all the mass in the universe, including you and me, is made from an indestructible, dynamic energy...God's spiritual waters, God's Fountain of Living Waters...dark matter if you prefer...but the only people who seem to know about this is Almighty God and Jesus Christ who went to exceptional pains to tell us about it. Actually, they told us much more because Jesus' accurate teaching will keep us going for all eternity...not one word of his accurate teaching will change and the science that ebbs from his accurate word will do the rest.
Don't believe if you don't want to ippy...just prepare yourself for a very unpleasant everlasting journey.
ippy,
A challenge for you: see if you can go for a week without using the term, "verifiable evidence." Bet you can't.
Nick do you have trouble with your hearing too only you've had my post in front of you and responded to someone else's; now go back to my post 454 on this thread and can I have a reply to that post please, instead of this lot.
ippy
.it would fit in with Biblical teaching if it put this planet into a tidal lock.Ah Nick, the tidal lock!
Ah Nick, the tidal lock!
Do you remember once upon a time when the 'accurate teachings/science' of the bible used to day that the planet was not in a tidal lock but actually not spinning at all?
Now remind us all, was was it an atheist who had to correct the 'accurate science'?
.but when you are on a learning curve you find out by your mistakes...
.that is why you cannot fault that point now.
Funny how you totally miss the point of the post.
Nicholas, do you think 'Wormwood' could be PlanetX/Nibiru. There was a so-called ninth planet reported to have been found within our solar system, at the beginning of the year. It is said to be possibly ten times the size of the earth.
Nicholas, do you think 'Wormwood' could be PlanetX/Nibiru. There was a so-called ninth planet reported to have been found within our solar system, at the beginning of the year. It is said to be possibly ten times the size of the earth.That's a planet.
That's a planet.
However Nick's assertion is that there is a whole star system out there.
So they wont be one and the same thing!
Nick
Actually I have taken a course in Jesus accurate teaching and I now know that you are wrong.
You have been fooled by the devil.
Evidence please!
Well, you started it! ;D
It's a result of my intensive studies like Nick has done, in much the same way, but I have discovered that he is completely wrong. He has made a mistake and has been taken in by the devil.
His calculations are not accurate, like mine are.
If you believe the book of fantasy, Revelation, has any relevance that is very sad indeed. What is also sad is that you seem to be spending your days concocting your posts, which appear to be the product over an overactive imagine and have no basis in reality.
I don't know your personal circumstances, and of course it isn't my business, but if you do have family and friends I wonder what they think of your stance on faith and how posting on this forum is taking up quite a lot of your time? Don't you have any hobbies, or aren't you able to get out and about and try to enjoy the life you have? I am not saying this to be unpleasant but because I am genuinely concerned.
Nick
Actually I have taken a course in Jesus accurate teaching and I now know that you are wrong.
You have been fooled by the devil.
Have you got viable evidence that I use that term every week B A?
ippy
If you believe the book of fantasy, Revelation, has any relevance that is very sad indeed. What is also sad is that you seem to be spending your days concocting your posts, which appear to be the product over an overactive imagine and have no basis in reality.
I don't know your personal circumstances, and of course it isn't my business, but if you do have family and friends I wonder what they think of your stance on faith and how posting on this forum is taking up quite a lot of your time? Don't you have any hobbies, or aren't you able to get out and about and try to enjoy the life you have? I am not saying this to be unpleasant but because I am genuinely concerned.
Have you got viable evidence that I use that term every week B A?
ippy
Malcolm Muggeridge
I myself am convinced that the theory of evolution, especially the extent to which it's been applied, will be one of the great jokes in the history books of the future. Posterity will marvel that so very flimsy and dubious an hypothesis could be accepted with the incredible credulity that it has.
I have a strong suspicion that you wont be ready in time, Floo. That is a blow to me but you must understand that without the appropriate mind-set you would just be a huge burden upon those who will be thanking Jesus for their salvation and working incredibly hard towards the righteous repair of their health and their planet.
In Revelation we are told of those who wont make it...many you will agree deserve it, but I'm afraid that the Judgement is the same for all, regardless. A fiery lake of sulphur, for all eternity...or eternal damnation.
The Holy Bible, including Revelation exists...it is a part of the thinking of many beings not of this world and certainly part of the thinking of millions on this planet...it...therefore...should be read as a point of evidence to our past, present and our future...and in this terrible world, hell bent on destroying itself...Biblical teaching is a refreshing alternative to the unreserved brain-washing which is wildly dominating all existence today.
Go with your heart Floo...and good luck.
What would that be BR: "The do it yourself book of Jesus; for complete beginners," by A.Theist.
As you will have already realised then BeRational...The course is open to everyone. It simply means implementing the word of Jesus Christ accurately. Sadly, many, even with good intent, think they are following Jesus but are actually following a misrepresentation of his word. This is where understanding the electric nature of the universe comes in and why few there are that find that path.
Still...as long as you are trying to follow his teaching, more and more will be made known to you.
On the other hand...you might just be saying that, tongue in cheek, for a laugh...and this is my take on your post.
Part of the mechanics of Jesus' teaching is to lift us out of brain-washing...wherever it springs from...and the science says this is a huge problem in the health of this world's populations today...it can even get you crucified.
Yes you are right, and you are following the wrong track. You calculations are NOT accurate and you are doomed to hell unless you change.
But my calculations are spot on...they are constantly checked and rechecked...they have provided all we know about science today...but I have put those calculations into a new order...prompted by the Holy Bible....and I think you know what they are telling me and that is the same as I am telling you. That beneath all this visible stuff is an invisible material that drifted around an invisible dimension before it all erupted and created everything we now accept as reality.
It's best to simply accept that Almighty God is the owner of all this material and all this science because Jesus Christ is our only salvation...Now Satan avoids Jesus like the plague so I suggest he doesn't loiter anywhere near Jesus' accurate teaching though he fuels his Rolls Royce at the pumps of iniquity.
You think they are correct, but my superior calculations show that you are completely wrong.
You have been led astray by the deceiver who has simply made you THINK you have correct results.
Your calculation are NOT anything to do with Jesus' accurate teaching, and you have been duped into the teachings of Satan.
Hell awaits if you follow your current path.
Hmmm...quite a conundrum...believe BeRational or Jesus Christ...I will have to think about that one.
BeRational denies the calculations of science whilst my calculations have built them into the equation. BeRational has a track record of talking against righteousness whist my calculations, supported by righteousness, tells us the world is in a terrible state and the only way of salvation...even in these terrible times...is in following the loving path of caring for each other and finding peaceful ways to our salvation...because the not so nice, unrighteous crowd, will make every ones life a misery in these last days when the full force of Wormwood is almost upon us.
I have reached my decision...do you mind if I keep it secret for the moment because I am a little timid and don't want to anger the other party.
BeRational is simply making the point that anyone can assert anything at all. Anyone can threaten and prophesy any terrible disaster they can dream up. Unless you have more evidence than a story (Revelation), that even the best Biblical scholars think is the work of a psycho, then you are being as laughable as BeRational is being.
Nick
BeRational is simply making the point that anyone can assert anything at all. Anyone can threaten and prophesy any terrible disaster they can dream up. Unless you have more evidence than a story (Revelation), that even the best Biblical scholars think is the work of a psycho, then you are being as laughable as BeRational is being.
You seem to want to draw a line through Revelation Jjohnjil as if it doesn't exist...yet...in the current climate it is giving us an insight into a profound expectation presented by a phenomenon that is looming over us all today..
I'm not sure how you can dismiss my claim so easily either when it is built on the top of some vigorous scientific facts...duly calculated.
Those facts point to the Holy Bible as a work of outstanding scientific knowledge...that takes our health and welfare as its leading priority...Even now...in these last days...we are receiving a science that can save us...but only if we can comply with that science...else Judgement will be the same farce that you believe the scientifically proven laws of righteousness are...and that will never do.
Jesus Christ is our lead scientist.
Hmmm...quite a conundrum...believe BeRational or Jesus Christ...I will have to think about that one.
BeRational denies the calculations of science whilst my calculations have built them into the equation. BeRational has a track record of talking against righteousness whist my calculations, supported by righteousness, tells us the world is in a terrible state and the only way of salvation...even in these terrible times...is in following the loving path of caring for each other and finding peaceful ways to our salvation...because the not so nice, unrighteous crowd, will make every ones life a misery in these last days when the full force of Wormwood is almost upon us.
I have reached my decision...do you mind if I keep it secret for the moment because I am a little timid and don't want to anger the other party.
BeR said: You have been led astray by the deceiver
Who or what do you mean by "the deceiver", or do you mean promptings of our own unconscious mind, rather than a specific person/entity?
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Nick
Jesus Christ, if he ever existed, was no scientist. He was a preacher, a guy who tried his best to make the life of his countrymen easier under Roman rule. He wasn't interested in all the scientific mumbo jumbo you think he knew and taught 'accurately', it meant nothing to him or to the people he was interested in.
There was a good TV prog on last night in which it was pointing out that the ordinary Romans, who had a life expectancy of 29, liked the idea of everlasting life and so took up this new cult of Christianity. When it grew too big to handle, the Emperor made it the official religion. Otherwise it would have died out just as all the other cults did.
How - exactly?
. The approach is clearly being felt and observed today...
How - exactly?
Please give examples.
If it is 'clearly' being felt you must be able to clearly show this to be true.
Oh ye of little faith...I could give you another account...quite different to the Roman regieme of yours which states that the migbty Roman machine persecuted and slaughtered followers of this new teaching, vilifying it and putting followers in the arena in the hope of crushing it. Then, one day, a power hungry Roman decided he could harness this people by saying he was also one of this movement and secured his own might at the expense of God's righteous teaching...and iniquity was born.
You are right, He of inaccurate Faith, the Romans did slaughter the early Christians for refusing to worship their gods. They caused trouble and the Romans didn't like rebellions. It wasn't until their own citizens changed over to a god who promised them a Heaven instead of oblivion that the Emperor tagged along too.
To them it was like choosing between Asda and Tesco..
Then, one day, a power hungry Roman decided he could harness this people by saying he was also one of this movement and secured his own might at the expense of God's righteous teaching...and iniquity was born.
Hmmm...quite a conundrum...believe BeRational or Jesus Christ...I will have to think about that one.
BeRational denies the calculations of science whilst my calculations have built them into the equation.
Ah yes, the old saw about the birth of the Catholic Church under Constantine, proclaimed as the start of the perversion of Christ's treaching by numerous Protestant sects (and also by apparently your own favourite sect, the Jehovah's Witnesses). I notice you often quote from their 'New World' "translation" (very much in inverted commas). However, you seem to have departed dramatically from their teaching on hell, since the JWs have always insisted that 'hell' is not a place of eternal torment - one of the few good things that the JWs have come up with, and which accords well with what is evident from the Old Testament scriptures, at least. (Those of us who have actually read the OT will know this. Others prefer to make extrapolations, because God is not always portrayed as particularly 'righteous' there)
In the gospels, Jesus makes only one statement which could possibly construed as science, and that is where he gives his own version of "Red sky at night, shepherd's delight; red sky at morning, shepherd's warning"*. That of course is an ancient saying of country lore, but in fact does have a fair amount of scientific data to explain why this is very often true. That is the limit of Jesus' science.
You often make some bizarre assertions about the correlation between applying what you consider "biblical science" and a person's bodily health, by which I can only assume that you are making the outrageous suggestion that if a committed Christian becomes ill, then their understanding of the Bible is somehow in error. If this is the case, the implication is monstrous; perhaps you should read the Book of Job again. The latter is an attempt to explain (a failed attempt in my view) undeserved human suffering. As I say, it is a failed attempt at an explanation, but it is at least an earnest attempt by the ancients to grapple with the problem.
*Matthew 16:2,3
Oh, no, how long is shortly??
Well, longer than soon, but, perhaps, not as long as it will take for you to adequately repent, Seb...and that isn't good.
Dear Septic Toe,
It must be me, me alone who finds our Nicholas's dry wit absolutely wonderful, when we are up to, what! page 22, with all his detractors he still replies with politeness and humour to all those who try to dismiss him.
God Bless you Nicholas.
Gonnagle.
Dear Septic Toe,
It must be me, me alone who finds our Nicholas's dry wit absolutely wonderful, when we are up to, what! page 22, with all his detractors he still replies with politeness and humour to all those who try to dismiss him.
God Bless you Nicholas.
Gonnagle.
Dear Septic Toe,He does indeed Gunnerside but you forgot to add - and even more nonsense.
It must be me, me alone who finds our Nicholas's dry wit absolutely wonderful, when we are up to, what! page 22, with all his detractors he still replies with politeness and humour to all those who try to dismiss him.
God Bless you Nicholas.
Gonnagle.
All...
I think what is important here is that Jesus speaks to us, even today, in a righteous, spiritual language…a language carved from fully understanding the electric/spiritual nature of the universe and in these last days it has a greater significance than ever before.
The world wants to squeeze out all teachings of righteousness because it goes against their brain-washing but Jesus won’t be silenced. We, however, have allowed the mechanics of brain washing to overpower goodness and we should endeavour to restore that imbalance…even here where the atheist tries to knock back the word of Jesus with Dawkinism.
When searching for truth we often make mistakes and say the wrong things but if we are steered by Jesus Christ’s accurate word…we are heading towards resurrection and everlasting life.
NM,
Jesus is my life, and all I need is to read His words in the NT, and try to do as He says. That is how He speaks to me, and I need no elaborate theories and verbose lectures to tell me more. It is quite simple really.
I am listing global warming, severe climate change, the secret preparations of powerful governments, the earthquakes, the mass death of various creatures, the numerous sightings which indicate something enormous is in our midst, the Holy Bible that tells us about it coming, describing it as like a woman who goes into labour and progressively the pains get worse until the climax of that activity presents itself...I don't need to go into heavy debate about this...the proof will be be with you shortly.No need for a heavy debate Nickspark.
I couldn't agree more...but, the evidence displayed here, and in these last days suggest that many do need that teaching and, perhaps, explained within the framework of why Jesus is 100% correct If your salvation is assured, well done, but I'm not sure mine is, which suggests that many who think they are all right in this regard, might be following iniquity instead.
It's Jesus' accurate word we must follow by trimming our lamps and getting Jesus' accurate word to shine brightly instead of dismissing the best efforts of someone trying to help.
....... instead of dismissing the best efforts of someone trying to help.
...not necessarily dismissing them Nick.
The problem I think is that you are making bold statements about things like 'Wormwood' but very carefully avoiding getting into the detail that could in fact convince some here.
Remember , if that detail was 'accurate' enough then those same people might even join you and repent, you never know. But you don't seem to try very hard in that regard.
Some people however might think that your circular arguments and constant repetition - rather than engagement, is a sign that perhaps your really, really haven't got a clue about some of the things which you espouse.
I don't know what the Lord has in store for me, but I pray for redemption every day.
BA,
Just out of interest, why?
If there is a "God of the omnis" then presumably "He" would be aware of your behaviour and would decide for Himself whether that was good enough to get you to the pearly gates. Do you think that praying will in some way cause him to change his mind about that and - if not - what do you think the point of it to be?
In the Holy Bible there are numerous suggestions that Almighty God has authority over everything which is saying he is the highest authority over all the scientific laws that exist. It's not surprising then that he keeps alluding to these scientific points though in terms that the people he wants to appeal to can get their heads around them. Millions come to Jesus in despair...they have followed the laws of man and have come up against a brick wall. They are reaching out from under their sins and, just as Jesus promised, they are lifted into a new dimension of understanding, but often, the damage has already been done.
By following the way, the truth, and the life, of Jesus Christ, accurately, we can embark on a new path which can lift us out of our sins.
If Jesus says we are all sinners...abusers of righteous laws...then who are you Dicky to contradict him??
And you Nick, do you believe that the end from the beginning has been known by God.
That he knows all that will and will not be? If so, then what do you believe can be greater than the power and knowledge of Jesus Christ to the world, and your fellow man.
Are these arguments and points you place forth greater than the effect of people acknowledging Christ in their lives?
Man on both sides can try and convince each other with knowledge alone. Even try and make the knowledge of each other a way forth for a meeting of the minds and a discovering of the truth.
God has given his ways through the Prophets and especially Moses. But Jeremiah and Jesus Christ gave the final way.
If only man would take that step to know what Christ claims and accept what he taught. Only then would they find the answers that man has sought since the dawn of the first day they were created... They would find a living relationship with God again, a pardon and love of truth.
We have got to prepare for a Heaven, here, on planet Earth. Now Jesus knows that many good-hearted people will come against a brick-wall...The time when righteousness exhausts itself and you see so many people getting away with dirty tricks...this is when we decide whether we want to be part of those dirty tricks...or not. Righteousness offers a way forward and when we start we can't stop...mainly because it reveals truths to us at our own level of understanding and these give us great comfort.
How would a heaven on planet Earth work ? Is there going to be a cessation of earthquakes and meteor strikes and so forth ?
BA,
Just out of interest, why?
If there is a "God of the omnis" then presumably "He" would be aware of your behaviour and would decide for Himself whether that was good enough to get you to the pearly gates. Do you think that praying will in some way cause him to change his mind about that and - if not - what do you think the point of it to be?
I hope for salvation, and I don't believe it comes automatically without an individual praying for it to show he is aware of his faults and misdemeanours, and is contrite and asks for forgiveness - and means it, and trusts in the Lord's and that He may show love and forgiveness.
BA,
But wouldn't a god who knows everything - knows you better than you know yourself in fact - know all that already? And if that is the case, what would be the point of trying to make an omniscient god change his mind about something by praying for it?
People can change their minds; people can be insincere.
The Lord is entitled to hear you say it and that you mean it. Maybe He does know our minds, but it seems to me that you don't assume that, or anything else. You ask, and you pray and hope you will be heard and listened to.
BA,
Yes, but an omniscient god would know that without needing to be told it in a prayer.
Surely you either "assume" that god is omniscient or you don't. If you don't think him to be omniscient that blows a big hole in standard Christian theology I'd have though; if you do assume him to be omniscient on the other hand then again why tell him what he knows already?
I'm a pessimist in these matters. He probably does know our minds, but I will ask anyway; and it seems the right thing to do.
BA,
Fair enough - it's no-one's business but your own. I was just struck though by the illogicality of asking for something when the god who could grant it already knows you better than you know yourself.
It's analogous to a child who wants a certain thing for Christmas: his father knows it, but would much rather hear him genuinely ask for it, rather than just assume he'll get it.
BA,
It's not analogous at all - at least not unless the father is also a mindreader, which is the claim made for god. A god that thought, "I know what's best for you and I know what you want, but I'm not going to do it unless I hear it from your lips" would be a pretty petulant god I'd have thought.
Nothing to do with petulance. It's just the right way to do things, from a human stand-point..
BA,
But not from a divine one - or at least not if you think that divinity knows everything anyway, and moreover knows it better than you do.
I shall continue to do it the way I believe, thanks.
BA,
No doubt. Like I said - it's no-one's business but your own. I just wondered whether then inherent paradox of praying to an omniscient god had struck you at all.
It seems not.
Your post was answered in post #458 ippy. If I were as rude as you I could make nasty remarks and ridicule towards you because of it...but I just put it down to heavy brain-washing.
Jesus Christ is an expert in this field and I know your health and your rudeness will feel much better for it.
It's analogous to a child who wants a certain thing for Christmas: his father knows it, but would much rather hear him genuinely ask for it, rather than just assume he'll get it.Good analogy BashfulAnthony.
If such conformational evidence was found, or had been surly it would have become a worldwide media event and since that hasn't ever happened Nick, it should be telling you something.Yes. It's telling me that your argument is flawed.
You are going ahead of my knowledge base...but the implication is that it will. Mainly because Almighty God will be working with us and if he kick-started this planet into existence he can certainly guide us in these matters...not forgetting that after the great turmoil expected the tectonic-plates will be more settled.
Good analogy BashfulAnthony.
Bluehillside is conflating what someone wants with what someone needs.
I have spent a life-time coming to my conclusions; a life-time of study and thought. It has included many times when I've doubted; when I've pondered over the many problems, but I finish happy in my faith. Thank you for your concern.
Hi there Nick, I noticed you used brainwashing when you meant indoctrination again. (look them up in the OED).
Since when has saying you've answered someones/anyones question when you've not done anything of the sort been considered to be polite, if you want to start throwing stones there's no need to act surprised when you have some returned.
All I pointed out to you is that you need to verify both the bible and the idea of god together, as established facts, both at the same time, which to date you haven't, before either one can be used to back up the other and to be fair to you nor has anyone else been able to supply evidence of any kind that would support either one or the other.
If such conformational evidence was found, or had been surly it would have become a worldwide media event and since that hasn't ever happened Nick, it should be telling you something.
Any chance of an answer Nick, without the usual unwanted sermon? Just a clear answer will do Nick
ippy
P S please just answer the question asked Nick, I'm done with sermons.
Good analogy BashfulAnthony.
Bluehillside is conflating what someone wants with what someone needs.
The idea of an earthly life on an active and dangerous rocky planet doesn't seem consistent with the idea of heaven at all to me.
BA,
No concern, just disinterested enquiry. If the contradiction in praying for your wants so as to supervene upon your god's knowledge of your needs (with friends like Sword, who needs...) doesn't trouble you at all then so be it.
Praying is in the main seen as a way of communication...
Yes. It's telling me that your argument is flawed.
I think Nick's on to something. Here's my take on it all.
God was relaxing in Heaven, a beautiful place with no problems or worries, and he's sitting on a beautiful beach, gazing up at the clouds. He suddenly has an idea "Why am I sitting here all alone when I could have a relationship with 4 or 5 million people!"
So he decides on a scheme ... "I'll hurtle these clouds together and it is bound to cause a great big bang, This will in turn cause tons and tons of dynamic energy to create a universe, and within a few billion years, stars will form, trillions of them. I'll name them all and pick out a tiny planet revolving around one of them and that's where I'll start my ambitious project".
So he does this and soon after (well, over 9000000000 years later) life forms and 4000000000 years after that, Man arrives. God looks at his creation and he's well pleased.
There are 'soon' millions of people around but they're doing all sorts of naughty things ... so he drowns that lot and starts again. Shortly after, when there are billions of people there, he realises they are still being naughty. "I know what I'll do, I'll pick some little 14 yearold girl and make her pregnant and then I'll have a beautiful baby son" He does the wicked deed and he is so proud! "You're a real chip off the old block, JC!"
Then when JC is bigger, he thinks "I know, I'll have him nailed up and that will make all the sins of that rabble be washed away forever"
He does it and then after his lad has been dead for three days, he brings him round and shortly after takes him up to Heaven to sit at his feet.
Then when the Internet arrives, he sends Sparky and TW, Sassy and Vlad to bore the pants off everyone ... and he is well pleased with his work.
He is getting a bit fed up now though with millions of the little sods asking him favours every night so he's decided these will be the last days and so he dug a gigantic hole and filled it with burning sulphur - for all those who don't believe in him ... and then he launched Wormwood to sort everyone out.
The End
Heads you win...tails I lose...hmmm....won't help you unify the fundamental field forces though...ippy.
Nothing to do with win or lose Nick, I see you still refuse to answer a perfectly straight forward question, where's your verifiable evidence that would support both god and the bible together at the same time; I suspect you haven't got a scrap of combined evidence supporting your god bible belief? And that would explain your wrigle wrigle.
No sermons please Nick.
ippy.
Your not denying science here are you ippy...and you aren't denying that this universe is so big and so old that it couldn't possibly harbour other people with a similar history to our own except perhaps a few million years more advanced than we are.
That is all you need to know to realise we have been visited by an authority...not of this world...that knows exactly where we are going and knows exactly how to bring around a profound Judgement. Wait for a natural disaster...warn them how they can be saved then leave it to those terrible forces of nature to save those who follow the given instructions accurately.
Failure to believe in Jesus Christ is not a defence.
No Nick, I'm asking that question that you are avoiding giving an answer to, it looks like you're avoiding giving an answer at all costs, why's that? You haven't got an answer?
Come on Nick answer without giving me a load of sermon like old tosh.
ippy
No arguments there Sassy...I only know what my job is in context with what you have stated...and that is to establish that this electric/spiritual universe owned and best understood by Almighty God has methods and techniques which will benefit all those who put their faith in Jesus Christ accurately. And in this day and age, as in all previous ages, resurrection into this last generation and beyond has been our greatest asset.
Nothing to do with win or lose Nick, I see you still refuse to answer a perfectly straight forward question, where's your verifiable evidence that would support both god and the bible together at the same time; I suspect you haven't got a scrap of combined evidence supporting your god bible belief? And that would explain your wrigle wrigle.
No sermons please Nick.
ippy.
So, ippy, you miserably failed the "verifiable evidence" challenge. I wonder how many times you've used that expression?
It must be hundreds. Don't you think posters have got the point by now?
You see torri...you open up a question with an answer that is long and detailed and which you already have a mental block against which prevents any effort to convince you otherwise. Most of the detail is in the Holy Bible...but that's too much trouble for you.
Perhaps the forth-coming Judgement will encourage you to look more earnestly but it isn't knowing the Judgement is coming that counts as much as sincere repentance. The science demands it and iniquity, atheists and down-right evil can only expect to embark on a long, never ending journey. I'm trying to guide you back to the fold...but it is up to you.
Sparky the kindly shepherd trying guide the blind back to the paths of righteousness. Or is it Sparky the scaremonger plying mild abuse onto people who question his scaremongering.
Hmm, tricky one.
Dear torridon...
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I would love to use the slow, gentle words of my saviour to encourag e my faith, but time is against us. It is the same time that is against us that we experience throughout everybodies life span...it is old age and death, with a few accidents and poor health thrown in. So, in any event, there is no need to panic more than we do now...except that this time it will be somewhat different. The accidentw will affect us all, all at the same time...but instead of some going to the ether they will go to Wormwood where there can be no escape...no promise of coming back as there is now.
On the other hand against this sad back drop is a promise...try and be nice as Jesus taught us and there is a salvation from every threat ever. But we must start asap. Because stripping away brainwashing is a long and tedious task but proves our good intentions.
Well Jesus himself was an end-timer, and clearly he got that wrong, and if he could be so wrong then presumably a mere mortal such as your good self can get it wrong also. So my advice would be to avoid trying to frighten people into accepting your opinions, that is the tactic of a scoundrel; rather stick to honest reasoning and good evidence. After all if you are right in that there is a God and we are spirit beings with a potential for another life after this one then God will do what is best for everyone irrespective of whatever flawed opinions passed through their minds on this earthly life.
The evidence of the approach of Wormwood is getting stronger every day.In order for that to be true you will of course show some indisputable evidence for say the past 7 days.
I am listingSo show some evidence, that is some which you agree with and not some vague 'just look at youtube' Teflon answer again.global warming, severe climate change, the secret preparations of powerful governments, the earthquakes, the mass death of various creatures,the numerous sightings which indicate something enormous is in our midst,
So show some evidence, that is some which you agree with and not some vague 'just look at youtube' Teflon answer again.
There must be some because you wouldn't just take someone's word for it - unless you are merely looking for confirmation without the slightest hint of reality. Are you Nick?
Be specific.
You are in denial Seb..I cannot be in denial if you are unable to show some evidence, that's actual evidence and not vague 'oh look over there' evidence.
.except that many people, all around the world are getting glimpses of this imposing, serious presence.
So show some evidence, that is some which you agree with and not some vague 'just look at youtube' Teflon answer again.
There must be some because you wouldn't just take someone's word for it - unless you are merely looking for confirmation without the slightest hint of reality. Are you Nick?
I'm well acquainted with circular argument ippy where honest, true and righteous answers have been given but you simply refuse to accept that you've been answered. Husbands do it to wives...we call it wife beating. The idea is to leave the victim in a confused mess. Better people than you have tried but I'm afraid if I get stuck I just refer them to Jesus Christ...and I'm not stuck yet.
So, ippy, you miserably failed the "verifiable evidence" challenge. I wonder how many times you've used that expression?
It must be hundreds. Don't you think posters have got the point by now?
So you refuse to answer a quite simple question Nick, it has to be either you can't answer or harmless potty and as for circular, an honest answer from your good self about the question asked, minus the usual rather silly religious sounding waffle, would suffice.
The answers you've given so far only exposes your regrettable position as a more and more rather obviously dishonest person with a penchant for ducking diving and not answering anything you're uncomfortable with.
ippy
Seb,No doubt the quality of life indicators were formulated by some middle aged, middle class white men.
Quite so. Sparky confuses incidence with trend - he looks at stories in the newspaper and decides that things are getting worse, when there's not reason to think any such thing. To the contrary, despite the appalling situation in Syria and elsewhere if you look at the bigger picture almost all the quality of life indicators for the global population as a whole have improved
What about the number of species becoming extinct?, what about the gap between the rich and poor in developed countries?, the refugee crisis?, what about global warming?Don't you agree with Sparky that all of those are being caused by the approach of some star system which has one of its planets called Wormwood?
So you've got some verifiable evidence about all of this magical, mystical superstitious nonsense then B A?
ippy
Dear Blue,
Bigger picture!! Our Nicholas mentions Global Warming and climate change, do you have a bigger picture.
No doubt the quality of life indicators were formulated by some middle aged, middle class white men.
What about the number of species becoming extinct?, what about the gap between the rich and poor in developed countries?, the refugee crisis?, what about global warming?
It's all part of tunnel vision when we only see ourselves in the equation. Tunnel vision stems from the simple principle of me, me , me...and that is a classic symptom of congealed brain juices. By opening our minds and being receptive to others goes a long way towards repairing ourselves from the types of injuries I mention and those that Jesus mentions as well.
Insults, it seems, are part and parcel of telling people what they don't want to hear. Perhaps, when you have seen this approaching star system yourself you might reconsider your position. This might just be possible because Almighty God said that he will hold back his Judgement to the last possible moment so that all who can be saved are saved...but perhaps this is another unprovable point of Biblical teaching.
The downside to this is that we must be receptive to Jesus Christ's accurate teaching and unless you become a little nicer bluehillside, you will never know what this is.
you wont be ableIt's really quite simple Nick. All you have to do is show us a few examples of those reports by those keen observers. Only ones which you agree with remember.
deny the approach of Wormwood quite so easily. It is well reported by keen observers ......
Vlad,The twee little Pinkerism on which you seem to be arguing ''Everyday we are getting better and better is just a stab at prophesy Hillside.
Relevance? I you think other demographic groups can come up with better quality of life indicators than life expectancy, literacy, reducing family sizes and teenage pregnancies, disease elimination, the ending of wars etc then by all means identify some.
What about them? Bad things all, but these are just some indicators and not all of them. Back in the 14th century you could equally have said, what about the black death? The great European Famine? The beginning of the little ice age? So what?
Change happens. You can't though just look at any bad news and claim it to be a universal trend trend of increasing badness, and nor of course can you just claim it to be a portent of a biblical (or any other book's) supposed prophecy.
The twee little Pinkerism on which you seem to be arguing ''Everyday we are getting better and better is just a stab at prophesy Hillside.
And it's worse than that....
...climate is changing which leads to famine and flooding and the displacement of millions. There is I think a figure of how many degrees rise in temperature for sea bed methane to be released.
Your latter day version of the dawning of the age of Aquarius looks more and more like being where the crazy money is..
Vlad,I think both Gonners and I are interested in your stance on global warming.....perhaps you'd like to outline it?
That's one way to dismiss the facts and evidence that are against you I suppose.
There is no "that" - just your denial of reality.
There's no doubt that it could lead to terrible events if it was to go that far. Whence your confidence in your prophesy that it will?
And of course the straw man to finish off. Thanks for the vladdery, but no-one says any such thing. What I actually said though was that you cannot just read a bad news story in the newspaper and assert it to be a trend, let alone a portent. Do try to keep up will you.
I think both Gonners and I are interested in your stance on global warming.....perhaps you'd like to outline it?
Vlad,Of course it does since in view of the problems of global warming this sentiment of yours seems pretty hollow....I quote....... ''if you look at the bigger picture almost all the quality of life indicators for the global population as a whole have improved - life expectancy, literacy, disease elimination etc.''
As it has absolutely nothing to do with the issue under discussion, why would you be interested and why would i want to outline it?
Of course it does since in view of the problems of global warming this sentiment of yours seems pretty hollow....I quote....... ''if you look at the bigger picture almost all the quality of life indicators for the global population as a whole have improved - life expectancy, literacy, disease elimination etc.''
ippy/bluehillside/Seb...
It's all part of tunnel vision when we only see ourselves in the equation. Tunnel vision stems from the simple principle of me, me , me...and that is a classic symptom of congealed brain juices. By opening our minds and being receptive to others goes a long way towards repairing ourselves from the types of injuries I mention and those that Jesus mentions as well.
Now...though you may prefer to ignore all the chaos and distress that is blowing over the planet today you wont be able
deny the approach of Wormwood quite so easily. It is well reported by keen observers and it is well recorded in the Holy Bible. Things which you have so easily ridiculed in the past now have a mighty force behind them...which, much to Seb's, ippy's and bluehillsides denial is a very real threat...and can't be denied much longer.
You will then find out who your real friends are because tunnel vision will transcend into a much more caring attitude when it requires kindness, caring and help...but the only real help we will need is a righteous spirit carved from the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...and without sincere repentance...ippy,Seb or bluehillside will be totally lacking in that area.
Vlad,Oh I almost forget antibiotic resistance.
Of course it doesn't. The point being made was that you can't just look at stories in the press and assert that the incidence every bad one is on the increase (which is what Sparky does). For the most part the incidence is either the same as it ever was - earthquakes for example - or in many case the indicators have improved (the ones I listed). That's not for one moment to say that some things aren't getting worse, climate change being the obvious example. Whether it turns out to be anything like as bad as you think is just your guess of course, but that's another matter.
I note this part of your post Nick,
"but the only real help we will need is a righteous spirit carved from the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...".
Now Nick this is the only thing I'm asking you, this bible supposedly inspired by this god figure of yours and as such they are inextricably combined together, where do you get or have any kind of evidence that would support this, in effect, a single god/bible, belief/idea of yours; please afford us the curtsy of letting us know when, where and how you've acquired this supposed knowledge and tell us about this solid evidence that would, in turn your, at present, assertions into facts.
Just an answer to this question will do we've heard about every one of your sermons, so we don't need any more, just an answer to the question asked, there's no honour in hiding away from things you don't like, by answering something that bears no relation to the question asked in this post; I don't see you as a dishonourable person Nick, so evidence that can be displayed and proves your point and preserves your honour, so now let's have it?
ippy
Oh I almost forget antibiotic resistance.
The point is you quote some pretty big indicators but they are dwarfed by dire larger ones.
The point is that poverty, loss of land, global warming, environmental risk taking is becoming more acceptable. We are now in regression on several counts....particularly as a nation....worse than that while we were making your so called Pinkerian progression the planet and it's resources were receiving a great caning.
Vlad,Is global warming not a fact, are proxy wars not a fact, are nuclear weapons run by people not afraid to use them not a fact?
I know that you hate it when facts and evidence to disturb your prejudices, but try this for starters:
http://www.economist.com/news/books-and-arts/21706231-human-life-has-improved-many-ways-both-recently-according-swedish-economic
Incidentally, these achievements and more are facts. Your conjectures about the potential impact of the issues you describe on the other hand are speculations.
And yet bizarrely you were accusing me of prophecy.
Is global warming not a fact,...
...are proxy wars not a fact,...
...are nuclear weapons run by people not afraid to use them not a fact?
Vlad,
Yes - but how far it will go and the effect it will have are speculations, not facts.
Yes, but so are the endings of wars, the relatively few numbers affected by them compared with the global wars of the twentieth century, the peace dividends from treaties etc.
No - you have no idea whether or not people are afraid to use them, and there's a good case for fewer wars in recent decades because of the mutually assured destruction of the nuclear balance.
You're falling into the same trap in other words as Sparky - if it's in the paper, things must be getting worse. The papers though rarely report good news, and they never report, say, the 'planes that don't crash.
Incidentally your mistake here even has a name - it's called the availability heuristic.
What is blatantly obvious to me ippy but not so to you is that Almighty God has written a book which today carries a knowledge far superior to your modern sciences. It says that Almighty God is the figurehead of all scientific knowledge. Not just because he tells us about the root forces of all existence...not just because he sent Jesus Christ to illustrate those forces to us...not even because, by careful examination the forces that your sciences are, at great expense, trying to unify, are already given that unification under the authority of one powerful ruler...Almighty God.
If all this is possible then it might be wise to consider what he has to say about the end days.
What he is saying is that difficult times, hard to deal with will descend upon us...that great tribulations will occur and like a woman in labour will get more and more severe and that all this will cause a division between those who will be saved and those that wont be...some will go to everlasting life...the fruits of any very advanced biological science and some will go to eternal damnation...the fruits of ignoring your spiritual nature and allowing it to be so insignificant that it will be sucked along with the severe forces that Wormwood will deliver onto this planet.
If I want to be a part of the former then I am duty bound to notify those who might just be in with a chance of benefiting from what the Holy Bible says so that they, too, can take advantage of that promise.
But the only salvation plan on offer...no matter who you are...is the taking in of the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.
Sorry Nick you'got the posts mixed up again the last post of mine on this thread was number 584 and as you will see if you check, you'll see your post hasn't got anything to do with post 584 of mine, there's nothing there that relates to any part of my post.
Any chance of checking that post of mine Nick and perhaps post a relevent reply?
Where's the evidence and if there is any Nick where is it? And evidence that you would would be able substanciate, which I very much doubt you will be able to supply?
What are you afraid of Nick? Can't bear to think you might of got it wrong?
ippy
Vlad,Hillside, I think you have committed the Bourne identity here by generating yet another title for a Robert Ludlum blockbuster......
No - you have no idea whether or not people are afraid to use them, and there's a good case for fewer wars in recent decades because of the mutually assured destruction of the nuclear balance.
You're falling into the same trap in other words as Sparky - if it's in the paper, things must be getting worse. The papers though rarely report good news, and they never report, say, the 'planes that don't crash.
Incidentally your mistake here even has a name - it's called the availability heuristic.
Thank you for clearing all that up bluehillside...I did notice that you missed a few scientific facts though...facts like the doomsday clock which is getting very close to midnight. Facts like the arguments between Russia, China, USA, Syria, not to mention all the recent wars that have taken place. Though you have forgotten them there ar e many who still hold their grievances and are mad at the total mismanagement of the world...I suppose the Islamic hatred that is building up around the world could be included here.
You see...there is a huge difference between a world where there are no wars and one that erupts into war every 5 mins.
Almighty God has said that all the war-mongers and sabre rattlers will be part of the cleansing of this planet and those who can't see goodness as goodness or have a shade of dirty grey over their spectacles will join them.
But...hang on...what about those who are promised everlasting life in a world free from death and distress...well...they will suffer the same pangs of distress but will be able to quote the Christ given amendment, just as long as they are members of Jesus' kingdom and harbour no animosity against being resurrected.
We have established that the teaching in the Holy Bible and in particular the Gospels all revolve around an invisible force that is so superabundant that all the galaxies, stars, atoms and science are made from it.
Aside from that my critique of Pinker...
... is not derived from the press which tends to a look at the progress we have made under conservative governments and how it can all be turned upside down by reactionary forces to it. I think the press are pretty pro car, pollution denying, pro nuclear deterrent, pro social darwinianism and have little in common with my beef with Pinkerian optimism in enlightenment's forward march.
Pinkerism of course depends on nuclear deterrent.
It depends on the elimination of a Hitler style appropriation of territory prior to a take over......of course nuclear weapons never stopped the take over of the Crimea did they?...and that is why we should be wary of continuing theories of deterrence.
Pinkerian optimism proposes man's forward march in the face of roll back by barbaric behaviour, the effects of natural exploitation, a vision of health defined on ability to pay and uncertainty about deterrence.
It is important ippy for people who are looking for the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ, on here, believing that the forum is a haven for discussing Jesus know about such as you who are only interested in circular argument and have no intention of taking anything said as meaningful or serious.
That's ok ippy...we are warned of such as you who just want to ridicule and go round and round in your own little whirlpool of argument. It isn't healthy and it isn't wise for your own personal attitude which is the key difference between those who will be saved and those that wont. There are Biblical statements that are more appropriate to use here but out of courtesy to you I am reluctant to use them.
I will remind you that the whole of science resolves itself in the Holy Bible if looked at accurately but that goes straight over your head so I'm not convinced that anything I say will help you.
You had better consult Jesus directly if you want saving but I suspect you don't. Fortunately, millions, over the many years since the resurrection, do want to be a part of that new world...especially because it will be free of those who cannot comply with righteousness.
We will just have to wait and see what Wormwood has to say on the matter as far as you are concerned ippy.
What is it that you are finding so difficult to answer about supplying evidence that would substanciate your joint belief both god and the bible together, as a whole, you're making it look as though all you can supply are assertions which as you mut be aware, assertions are not concidered to be evidence and never have been.
I apreciate your going into the inns and outs of th things you believe to be true, but these ideas of yours are not exactly the things I'm asking you about directly, no matter how interesting they are to you, all I ask of you is to answer the question I have asked you in the previous paragraph, then when you answer that question circle broken, this circle of your own making, because of your apparent unwillingness you appear to have of answering this type of question.
ippy
I will assume ippy that you have dropped in for a crash course on the powerful teaching of Jesus Christ. Everyone is different but there are common denominators. You seem to be jammed in a never ending circle of disbelief. That is ok...you can unburden yourself simply by righteous prayer.
Here is the absolute truth of Jesus Christ's teaching...millions have found it so you can too.
By adopting an attitude of well meaning, right thinking, humbleness and meek respect for Almighty God you will absorb some of that potential energy that can and will soothe and calm your inner genetic health.
It is pointless to jump too far ahead of ourselves because, well, it is a long and difficult process and I'm not really convinced you are going to make it.
Global warming is a worry, too, but Mr Norberg hopes that human ingenuity will tame it. He writes with enthusiasm about all kinds of green innovation. For example, thanks to more efficient farming technology, the world may have reached “peak farmland”. By the end of the century, an area twice the size of France will have been returned to nature, by one estimate.
Obviously Nick, you are demonstrating your refusal to answer a very simple question, what are you afraid of, or is it you realise ther is no evidence that supports your god and the bible idea, you believe these things are valid ideas but you can't prove it.
Stick to the subject Nick, where's your proof/evidence, you haven't got any?
ippy
Just sending a reminder of that previous post of mine Nick: Post 599:
I would have said I have answered it many times over ippy...but your insistence otherwise tells us more about you than Jesus Christ. Either you are the pen-name of Dick Dawkin or else you have sufficient faith in his misguiding dogma that you are committing the cardinal sin you accuse me of...which is...in believing in someone who carries the same message you do....difference is...I have a much higher science on my side.
At least, by our tit for tat discussion people may just realise just how difficult it was for Jesus to present his teaching to the Jews and more importantly, to the world.
Obviously Nick, you are demonstrating your refusal to answer a very simple question, what are you afraid of, or is it you realise ther is no evidence that supports your god and the bible idea, you believe these things are valid ideas but you can't prove it.
Stick to the subject Nick, where's your proof/evidence, you haven't got any?
I'm beginning to wonder if English is your first language Nick, anyway, have a re-read of that last post I sent to you, only this time, at least, try to answer the question asked, rather than reams of your meaningless wanderings.
Stick to the subject Nick Where's your supportable evidence?
The Grand Unification of All the Universal Forces...as taught in the Holy Bible and which is indisputable by modern science ippy. It runs throughout this topic with some exciting points established by millions over the generations .
You can't understand it but that isn't my fault...rather it is your own failure to look into your Holy Bible seriously.
Your only skill appears to be chasing honest people round and round in circles with pointless stabs at those who love the teaching of Jesus Christ...I recommend you shake off some of your brain-washing because it is very damaging to you...though not to me.
Moving on...No let's not move on.
We have established that the teaching in the Holy Bible and in particular the Gospels all revolve around an invisible force that is so superabundant that all the galaxies, stars, atoms and science are made from it.
No let's not move on.
Why?
Because nobody has established anything in that area.
What has happened is that you have asserted, a lot.
That's asserted, not established.
Unless of course the Sparky version of English has those words as synonyms in the same way as it has'soon' meaning sometime between a few hours and a few millenia!
I have asserted that the Holy Bible has declared a time when people will live in peace and harmony...
Sparky,
Yes you have asserted that, as you have asserted every other conjecture you make here. Unfortunately, that's all you do - assert. While those assertions may make sense in your head, sadly they offer nothing with which anyone else can engage. To do that, you'd finally have to manage a logically cogent argument for your fantastical claims.
Any news by the way of this approaching solar system of yours that either no-one else has spotted or that would have to be travelling at faster than the speed of light to be able to sneak up on us?
Something?
Anything?
There is plenty of news on the approaching chaos bluehillside...
…it just has to be sought...but I'm not going to hold your hand looking for it. Some of that news started from NASA but the political position quickly changed and it was removed from public focus.
The Holy Bible exists...so that cannot be an assertion…
… and its truthful teachings…
… have grabbed the minds of millions over many generations so that is'nt an assertion either.
Every scientist knows about cause and effect and as the Holy Bible creates much cause and effect it is worthy of scientific study.
I bet i have lost you already but I haven't made a single assertion.
You reject the Holy Bible so how can I have a meaning ful conversation with you about it..
Both you and ippy are simply exposing yourselves as devout followers of dawkinism so you will just have to wait for your fates...and hope you are right...but I have to tell you...you are wrong
Sparky,
No there isn’t. There’s plenty of news that’s reported all right, and for that matter there’s plenty of news that isn’t reported too. “’Plane crash!” is headline news; “Today 40 million ‘planes landed safely” isn’t even reported. Your problem is that you take the former phenomenon as indicative of the state of the world and you just ignore the silent – but much more significant – evidence of the latter.
If you want to make claims about “approaching chaos” you need first to deal with the silent evidence issue. Once you’ve done that you need to find things that actually are worsening rather than just happening. Global warming for example could fit the bill.
The problem with that though is that it’s all conditional – if it continues at the current rate, then….etc. At the same time however there are huge efforts underway to address that “if” – the Paris agreement last week for example. In other words, the Armageddon scenario may be your personal prophecy on the issue but that’s all it is.
Your tinfoil hat is showing again.
No-one says otherwise, as do lots of other supposedly holy texts.
You just jumped there from “it exists” to “its truthful teachings...” with no argument to get you there. That’s cheating – what makes you think that they are truthful?
No, but it is a bad argument – the argumentum ad populum in fact. Several supposedly holy texts have “grabbed the minds of millions”. So what – do you think that truth is some kind of popularity contest?
That’s just gibberish. The “Holy Bible” is a book of stories and claims. It doesn’t “create” anything.
So far at least, that’s all you’ve made.
I don’t “reject the Holy Bible” as you put it. What I actually reject is the claims you make for it, and for the good reason that you cannot support them with cogent reasoning.
There’s no such thing as “dawkinsism”. There is though a scientific theory called the theory of evolution that’s hugely well supported by evidence, and that depends for its force on all the methods of science that you just ignore when you wrongly claim scientific support for your religious assertions.
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You are now doing it blatantly...you have been anwered many times. It is indifrent to me...I have faith...but it is important to others who fall foul of your tactics.
We are living in a universe carved from electric/spiritual energy. It requires special electric/spiritual laws to make any sense of it. Some are incapable of seeing those laws so it is a waste of time telling you about them.
Jesus Christ told us all we need to know about those spiritual/electric laws but you and your ilk prefer either to walk through life as if they don't exist else you live under the authority of those same laws but in opposition to them.
How any of you think you are fit to judge the teaching of the Holy Bible defies belief but it plainly tells us about Wormwod and those who will be left to its devices, and the approaching star system that is looming all makes those pages in Revelation so much more vivid
I am proud to say I tried to save you from it...but many more will also follow you.
If it is a spiritual/electric universe and all scientific laws are subject to that fact...your scientific God will not be wrong on these issues...and even by ganging up on me your tumorous assault will not make the sllghtest difference.
Seb/ippy/bluehillside...Really?
You are now doing it blatantly...you have been anwered many times. It is indifrent to me...I have faith...but it is important to others who fall foul of your tactics.
All...
I think what is important here, at the moment, is to establish a fact of life...gleaned from Bible study...and that is that certain people will attach themselves to your open-mindedness encouraged by good health and righteousness and because they are devoid in this area themselves they set about chasing you around trying to defeat you by subterfuge. Wives do it to husbands...husbands do it to wives. The bully does it to its target...leaving the victim horribly distressed...oppressors do it to the oppressed.
Now...according to my understanding, also gleaned from the Holy Bible, it is nature working at its lowest level and the same spiritual laws apply within the living cell. We torment their electric needs and as a consequence they too become wild and unmanageable.
So we now have a model of how we can talk to our genetic health soothing and calming it down...courtesy of Jesus Christ.
Well Nick that's indeed a lot of the things you think and at the same time, don't actually know.
By the way Nick what do you think about Hinckley Point, take the Mrs with you, go and have a look and perhaps it might help you with your estimate on how much you can tease her about her electric needs.
What exactly are these electric needs either your wife wants, or is it you that have these electric needs, your reply, if you don't mind me asking, should be moderately interesting to say the least?
ippy
You have made it obvious ippy that you aren't interested in these points of discussion. For the benefit of the tape I would like to point out that it is Jesus Christ who gives us the accurate teaching about our nervous/electric/spiritual nature and I am just flying the same flag.
From Jesus' authority we discover Almighty God. He created the universe you know and he told us all about it. It wouldn't make absolute scientific sense until now, so I'm not too concerned that I am often misunderstood but I dispise bullying more than Almighty God himself does.
I'm not sure where you are going with your reference to Hinkley Point. All I can say is that the energy that will be yielded from those atoms that are crushed there is the energy my science put there. It certainly didn't just fall together into every atom in the way that the science you profess to support says...it was put there by the formula that all atoms use within their star bodies...dynamic energy sucked together inside an imploding force put it there and there is no difference between the pure nature of this material than the energy you fire when you decide to pick your nose.
Of course...if we leave all the crudity out of our calculations we can talk about a refined property, with refined laws and which works to human advantage but I suppose that this will have to wait for the new heavens and new Earth...I can hardly wait.
That's so sad, Nick. You can't wait for this mystery magical tour bus to take you off to NeverNever land.
I'm just pleased that when you die you won't be disappointed. We have no regrets once we snuff it,
You see Jjohnjil...you've got it all wrong. When we snuff it we have one of two roads we can take...according to Jesus Christ...We are spiritually insignificant and become locked in the ether or thanks to Jesus, who snatched the keys of life and death out of the hands of Satan, we can, like him, be resurrected to a new vessel. We could have been resurrected to our own flesh as he was but we are miserable sinners and anyway the repair process is usually in a state of severe neglect.
This is why there will be a period when all who have ever lived will be present in one generation...and the morals of this day and age suggest it is now. The science strongly suggests it is all possible.
It seems to me, because the Holy Bible says so, that some will go to everlasting life ..whilst others will go to eternal damnation via a fiery lake of sulphur...(Wormwood)...So, which ever way you look at it, it wont be fun for the disbeliever.
You do know, I suppose, that The Book of Revelation is the account of a dream some guy had in AD95, Nick?
You've spent your life worrying about the outcome of eating a cheese sandwich just before bedtime?
Very sad.
You have made it obvious ippy that you aren't interested in these points of discussion.
I'm not concerned Jjohnjil...concern about any and every event is removed when you follow Jesus Christ accurately. It's as if he fashions his teaching around our own individual problems and talks us through them...not with a voice but with his teaching.
Revelation is a book of mysteries for those who abandon righteous teaching, but, armed with the approach of Wormwood I suspect many will read it more closely and realise all these great dilemnas that surround us today are truly the events fortold of within it.
Learning about righteousness is the only answer but many will fail...so...why not you??
Sparky,
What "points of discussion" do you think you have made?
I can see lots of assertions, lots of mis-statements, lots of evasions of any attempt actually to discuss anything but no interest of any kind in actually discussing something.
Why not start by telling us how this mysterious solar system of yours will either sneak up on us undetected by telescopes, or will travel so much faster than the speed of light that it'll be here before we could detect it? Go for it!
I'm not concerned either, Nick ...concern about any and every event is removed when you realise what you've been worrying about turns out to be just a dream. Nightmare, I suppose you should call such an experience - it's nice when you wake up from them though, Nick.
One day you might wake up and realise that trying to scare people, with threats of ghosties in the night if you don't believe some far-fetched story, is very unchristianlike. Though someone who has been tasered by a dynamic energied spiritual policeman like you have, Nick, has very little chance of coming out unharmed.
Follow Jesus because...he explained that everyone who doesn't make the effort to find righteousness...including those who try to destroy righteousness, plus all those who work against righteousness, from the worst to the best...are in for a terrible Judgement...is all I am saying.
Repentance, including following peace, kindness, consideration, honesty, good-will, and patience are all part of that righteousness.
You will be telling me next that I am fear-mongering when I mention, Syria, Islam, people trafficers, violent criminals, wars...past and present, etc. etc. Let's face it, the world is in a terrible state and desparately needs divine intervention
What I am saying is follow a peaceful existence as taught to us by Jesus...even now, in these last days, because it is all going to erupt and I want you to be saved. By the time Wormwood gets here we will all be grateful...all, being, those who are saved.
Tuning-in to Jesus' accurate teaching will give us an extra dynamic to equip us for what is coming...this is help not scare-mongering.
No, Nick, it is scaremongering. The terrible consequences of not following your interpretation of one of the very many holy books is definitely meant to scare the vulnerable - without ever supplying any evidence to support those warnings. If you were a Muslim, you would warn me of not following Allah's teachings, but as someone who knows they can't all be right and 99. 99% certain that none of them are, how do I decide on your warnings being worthy of consideration as opposed to any one of the others?
Because this is your problem, Nick, if, as you say, you are doing all this to save us from a fate worse than death, you give us no indication of the truth of the assertions you make. If you really and honestly believe this Wormwood phenomenon is 'soon' going to be upon us, tell us, for a start, the astronomers who have spotted it and it's path ... and I don't mean the editor of the 'Wormwood Gazette', who gets all his scoops from NASA's Dynamicc Energy Dept.
I could ask you bluehillside how the universe can be positioned the way it is with all the galaxies placed where they are as the result of a big-bang, in the way discribed in the sacred book of science. If we take into account the speed of light they shouldn't be as far away as they are. They should be slowing down but they are getting faster. They should be filled with atomic particles structured in a systematic order...which change at whim from particles to waves to energy...hmmm....you are quoting a science to me that fails at the first hurdle.
On the other hand I have given you an alternative which doesn't ignore those scientific calculations but, instead, adds them up and comes up with better answers...gleaned from the Holy Bible, with a depth of knowledge that is exciting and exhilerating.
The problem is those who try to destroy God without bothering to read what he says and these are responsible for turning other minds away from God who might have otherwise been saved. You can take it up with them on Wormwood.
Nick
I have had a read of the various university reports from around the world on this subject and it appears possible that a Planet X does exist, but only because, as our astronomical capabilities improve and far distant objects are 'seen', both in our solar system or on other star's solar systems, inconsistencies still occur.
As with Dark Matter, it is purely a hypothetical answer to a blip in our calculations, Planet X is a way to explain slight errors in the orbits of our known planets.
Pluto was found by searching for Planet X back in 1930, but as it has now been calculated as being 1/500 th of Earth's mass instead of being a similar size when first discovered, it means it does not account for the 'wobble' .A large number of similar sized objects to Pluto have been found since, which can also be discount?
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As the various Voyager spacecraft expeditions have shown no noticeable deviation from their calculated paths, it looks more and more likely that our very complex astronomical arrays are simply picking up background noise from other galaxies, but it is still possible that something is out there.
Now this is a very different scenario from your warnings of some evil solar system heading for us with a planet all ready and waiting to take away all the non-believers! So please stop your doom laden predictions now, Nick
As you told us in the past that you once stood at the end of a rainbow, I think it's you who needs to come down to Earth - not planet X.
...why do you dodge it so robustly when your science is saying to you every thing is energy...just as Jesus did 2000 years earlier.
Sparky,
Could you just tell us where exactly Jesus said that?
I myself have seen a sky phenomenon that made me think...a wonderful sunset with a very strange behaviour pattern.
Fascinating.
Can you describe it?
Jesus said it when he said that he believed in Almighty God implicitly then began showing us how this energy worked in a refined, natural sort of way.
God said it when he said, look into the heavens...who put them all there? With the superabundnce of his mighty power/dynamic energy...each one is numbered and named (catalogued) not one is missing. (Isaiah 40:26).
Why should I bother Seb when I know your response even before I tell you. You can find the date easily though...it is the evening before me telling you of it in a previous post.
What is it Nick, I've not seen you answer any question that you've been asked; you just keep bleating on about this Jesus, god or wormwood.
Why don't you ever answer anything, from anyone without giving another one of your pointless bleeding sermons?
ippy
P S By the way Nick, I managed to get Rentokill, no more wormwood, yes that's the one Rentokill.
What is it Nick, I've not seen you answer any question that you've been asked; you just keep bleating on about this Jesus, god or wormwood.
Why don't you ever answer anything, from anyone without giving another one of your pointless bleeding sermons?
ippy
P S By the way Nick, I managed to get Rentokill, no more wormwood, yes that's the one Rentokill.
Sorry bluehillside...some people think by bullet points and others use mental agility...weigh up the evidence then deduce the logic.
Following my way you will learn how to overpower brain-washing and find the mental agility that will flush out what is now holding you back.
Something seems to have gone wrong here...but no harm done.
Bleating on about Almighty God and Jesus is bleating on about a wonderful book...that is very deep and very thourough about things that should concern you...especially if you have loved ones who are now following your bleating.
Don't be hard on Wormwood...It isn't responsible for your dilemna...it just happens to be in the right place at the right time for God's Judgement...you have known that time will come for a long time now, haven't you??
Still, glad to hear that you think it's done you no harm.
I know it won't get through to you but I'll have a try and see, have a good, for you, bleating on about all of your religion/faith and then after you done that, got it off of your chest so to speak, then give an answer to the questions you've actually been asked; something you haven't done before, a new experience for you Nick.
ippy
I'll let you into a little secret ippy. We all come here to discuss Jesus Christ. He taught us a way of life that will unravel all the complications in our lives...we know this for a certainty because millions have found great comfort in his words and he promises a science that will deliver everlasting life. A science which all biological scientists would be proud of but they are missing one solid, scientific ingredient...the electric/spiritual nature of the universe which will keep the healthy living cell fired up to give the quality of performance we deserve, and, as the evidence points out...we don't deserve very much.
I wont be begging you to join in on the science of everlasting life...too many people have done too many wonderful things to earn it...but all we really have to do is repent, sincerely, but here lies your problem.
I'll let you into a little secret ippy. We all come here to discuss Jesus Christ. He taught us a way of life that will unravel all the complications in our lives...we know this for a certainty because millions have found great comfort in his words and he promises a science that will deliver everlasting life. A science which all biological scientists would be proud of but they are missing one solid, scientific ingredient...the electric/spiritual nature of the universe which will keep the healthy living cell fired up to give the quality of performance we deserve, and, as the evidence points out...we don't deserve very much.
I wont be begging you to join in on the science of everlasting life...too many people have done too many wonderful things to earn it...but all we really have to do is repent, sincerely, but here lies your problem.
You really do your cause no favours when you focus on such nonsense as dynamic energy and righteousness. Instead, come on here and preach goodness and justice for all and forget the scientific nonsense because it makes you look stupid and asking to be bullied.
Dear jj,
It may seem nonsense to you but to Nicholas it probably is very serious, he is an old school Christian ( heaven or hell ) but with a twist, and if you are a certain type of Christian you may just feel that you are preaching goodness and justice, and by the way!! no one should be bullied on this forum, and jj, if you think someone is being bullied then you must report it to the Mods.
This is why I keep an wee eye on our Nicholas's threads, he is a nice guy, different but nice, mannerly with a slightly dry humour.
Gonnagle.
Dear jj,
It may seem nonsense to you but to Nicholas it probably is very serious, he is an old school Christian ( heaven or hell ) but with a twist, and if you are a certain type of Christian you may just feel that you are preaching goodness and justice, and by the way!! no one should be bullied on this forum, and jj, if you think someone is being bullied then you must report it to the Mods.
This is why I keep an wee eye on our Nicholas's threads, he is a nice guy, different but nice, mannerly with a slightly dry humour.
Gonnagle.
Hi Gonners,Bullying is the responsibility of the person doing that. This idea of 'invites bullying' is the same meretricious nonsense that says 'But she was wearing a short skirt'
I agree with you re-bullying, and that is why I said he should stop posting stuff that invites it. He is certainly always polite and never nasty, but if you keep saying the same things over and over again and not just ignore the arguments against your assertions but repeat them as if they were undisputed facts, people get annoyed and that leads to bullying (from the recipient's POV).
As you are president of the Sparky fan club, Gonners, I think you should at least drop a few subtle hints to him to either answer questions or stop repeating assertions - that's the way to put an end to any perceived bullying.
(A bottle of 12 year old malt will do nicely for that advice, old mucker ... Next patient please!)
Bullying is the responsibility of the person doing that. This idea of 'invites bullying' is the same meretricious nonsense that says 'But she was wearing a short skirt'
I agree but no one is bullying Nick. He perceives people getting annoyed with his constant assertions as bullying. I don't think he should have to feel that way.There have been a number of issues with the treatment of Nick which have led to clear warnings on threads and posts removed.
Nick, according to the Bible, Jesus helped others as best he could. In that respect he was a good man Of course we should all do our best for others and if he taught that, we should applaud his memory for it.
Nelson Mandela too was a good man. He forgave his enemies, he helped the downtrodden and fought injustice and for freedom for his people. It should be enough to follow their example without worshipping them or pretending they were fantastic scientists when they weren't.
You really do your cause no favours when you focus on such nonsense as dynamic energy and righteousness. Instead, come on here and preach goodness and justice for all and forget the scientific nonsense because it makes you look stupid and asking to be bullied.
You have the nerve to say we are brain-washed for not believing a lot of amateurish videos that my ten-year-old grandson could make with some wax crayons and his leggo set. Stop acting as if you know even a smidgen of elementary science and promote Christianity for the good it can do - and does do, in war-torn plces all around the world..
There have been a number of issues with the treatment of Nick which have led to clear warnings on threads and posts removed.
There have been a number of issues with the treatment of Nick which have led to clear warnings on threads and posts removed.
NS,I will stick by my previous statement, and add that the definition is wrong, in my wholely unarrogant opinion, in that it misses out the whole idea of mockery.
Bullying is the use of force, threat, or coercion to abuse, intimidate, or aggressively dominate others. I haven't seen any of that here, and would object of course if I did.
I will stick by my previous statement, and add that the definition is wrong, in my wholely unarrogant opinion, in that it misses out the whole idea of mockery.
NS,Except you will accept that mockery can constitute bullying? If so the definition is not fine.
Presumably because it depends so much on context. The definition is fine - very little room for ambiguity there. Mockery on the other hand is on an acceptable/unacceptable spectrum depending on who's doing it and how far it goes.
Sheer bloody exasperation sometimes on the other hand...
Except you will accept that mockery can constitute bullying? If so the definition is not fine.
jjohnjil...Jesus taught us to follow him...and those that do will never die. He also said that righteousness was his code of behaviour...it is what Almighty God responds to and it is the direct opposite of evil which uses the same science but in an opposing way. What that means is that in the political mechanics of this planet certain people are working a corrupt philosophy, hidden from view, which relies on the fact that people can be fooled and manipulated and this is the single reason why this planet is thouroughly wasted.
Have no worries...Almighty God will reintroduce Jesus to you...in a way that will be scientifically solid. You may not be ready but you wont be able to blame me because I am giving you an introduction to his teaching built on top of modern science, but you can't even grasp what modern science is saying...else you would be able to see this instead of keep saying that God'srighteous science isn't science.
It helps if you read the Holy Bible so that you know what you are disputing...but all you dissenters seem to be able to argue against it without even vaguely knowing what's in it.
No problem with your post Nick, other than you've forgotten to put the words "I believe", at the beginning.I believe you missed them from your post
ippy
I believe you missed them from your post
If these guys who constantly challenge NM don't like what he says, and disagree, then just leave him. It is unacceptable to constantly ridicule or call to account someone who is expressing his heart-felt beliefs. I repeat: walk away and do the decent thing. I think the fact that he refuses to respond to levels of ridicule merely leads the bullying instinct to thrive.
Sebastian Toe...
Here's one for you Seb.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plyZZigE7_I
If these guys who constantly challenge NM don't like what he says, and disagree, then just leave him. It is unacceptable to constantly ridicule or call to account someone who is expressing his heart-felt beliefs. I repeat: walk away and do the decent thing. I think the fact that he refuses to respond to levels of ridicule merely leads the bullying instinct to thrive.
I have a certain amount of sympathy for your point of view B A, but I don't see N M is any more extreme than religious believers that use a more gentle approach when expressing their views.
In general I would find religious believers much less of a target if they didn't keep on targeting the young, the next generation with their unsupported ideas, insomuch because older people can deal with challenging ideas and taking them up freely if they wish to do so, or dismissing them.
ippy
Thanks Nick, I'll have a look.
Can I just check that this is one with which you agree with its findings and or conjectures?
Ta.
Some just use him as an easy target for some very negative posts.
Not entirely Seb...but it does offer some authentic proof from the Washington Post and Nasa if I remember correctly...but really it is a question of building up the picture from scattered information...until, of course, we see it for ourselves.
You could of course flag those posts and if the mods agree then they will be removed.
Cheers Nickster.
It would help of course for the discussion if you could isolate the bits that you agree with otherwise we could get mired down by raising irrelevant issues.
I will concentrate on the two that you have suggested for starters.
(still not had time to actually look at the clip so leave it to me for now)
True, but I trust the Mods to do a job; but were I to, then I would be spending a good % of my forum time monitoring the thread.
I have a certain amount of sympathy for your point of view B A, but I don't see N M is any more extreme than religious believers that use a more gentle approach when expressing their views.
In general I would find religious believers much less of a target if they didn't keep on targeting the young, the next generation with their unsupported ideas, insomuch because older people can deal with challenging ideas and taking them up freely if they wish to do so, or dismissing them.
ippy
Moderator:
As we are doing, as you can see.
In this thread we have already acted several times (involving different members) and should we see further responses that veer too far beyond robust fair comment towards demeaning personal remarks then we will act again.
We can all agree that targeting the young is not on, and some religionists do that; but, I'd say, not with malicious intent - unless we're talking about the likes of Daesh. That doesn't apply to NM, so what I said about his treatment here still applies. It is uncomfortable to see some one repeatedly taken to task for beliefs, sometimes derisively, sometimes aggressively, and just too often. Some just use him as an easy target for some very negative posts.
Obviously I wouldn't know if N M targets the young or not but largely given the chance most religionists do and that makes me think there is quite a bit of justification for not letting these people rest easy whether they like it or not or if they're well mannered or not.
Having said that I still share that certain amount of your sympathy for Nick, incidentally it could be taken for bad manners to not reply to direct questions with a straight answer ever, most people go for the occasional wriggle which is fair enough, we're all human, N M doesn't wriggle, he doesn't do straight answers to the questions asked, loves giving a sermon, Oh Boy.
ippy
Obviously I wouldn't know if N M targets the young or not but largely given the chance most religionists do and that makes me think there is quite a bit of justification for not letting these people rest easy whether they like it or not or if they're well mannered or not.
Having said that I still share that certain amount of your sympathy for Nick, incidentally it could be taken for bad manners to not reply to direct questions with a straight answer ever, most people go for the occasional wriggle which is fair enough, we're all human, N M doesn't wriggle, he doesn't do straight answers to the questions asked, loves giving a sermon, Oh Boy.
ippy
Just a small correction: Christian ideas are NOT unsupported.Could you please give a few examples of the 'christian ideas' you refer to here?
NS,
Bullying is the use of force, threat, or coercion to abuse, intimidate, or aggressively dominate others. I haven't seen any of that here, and would object of course if I did.
I agree but no one is bullying Nick. He perceives people getting annoyed with his constant assertions as bullying. I don't think he should have to feel that way.
Constant assertions? Where is there evidence that Nicholas Marks and his belief in God and Christ, and what they did together is an assertion?
Like anything that happened through history and was witnessed, it is the evidence of those witnesses who tell us it was true.
You and I, cannot go back in time. But we cannot discount the testimony of witnesses because it does not suit your choice of what you believe. Could Christ rising from the dead be false and yet 2,000 years on men and women are still living in the belief and doing as Christ did.
It is hypocritical to suggest the eyewitness testimonies of those who knew Christ and witnessed what happened have any less truth or value as those who witnessed the other events in History whom you believe.
Their is much disrespect for another's beliefs - and bullying and suggestions of 'Constant Assertions' are all just as wrong as each other.
Like anything that happened through history and was witnessed, it is the evidence of those witnesses who tell us it was true.
You and I, cannot go back in time. But we cannot discount the testimony of witnesses because it does not suit your choice of what you believe.
By "on here", do you mean on this forum or just on this thread, bluehillside?
Constant assertions? Where is there evidence that Nicholas Marks and his belief in God and Christ, and what they did together is an assertion?
Constant assertions? Where is there evidence that Nicholas Marks and his belief in God and Christ, and what they did together is an assertion?
Like anything that happened through history and was witnessed, it is the evidence of those witnesses who tell us it was true.
You and I, cannot go back in time. But we cannot discount the testimony of witnesses because it does not suit your choice of what you believe. Could Christ rising from the dead be false and yet 2,000 years on men and women are still living in the belief and doing as Christ did.
It is hypocritical to suggest the eyewitness testimonies of those who knew Christ and witnessed what happened have any less truth or value as those who witnessed the other events in History whom you believe.
Their is much disrespect for another's beliefs - and bullying and suggestions of 'Constant Assertions' are all just as wrong as each other.
Excellent post again, Sassy. You are really hitting the nail on the head these days. Well done!
Could Christ rising from the dead be false and yet 2,000 years on men and women are still living in the belief and doing as Christ did.
It is hypocritical to suggest the eyewitness testimonies of those who knew Christ and witnessed what happened have any less truth or value as those who witnessed the other events in History whom you believe.
Excellent post again, Sassy. You are really hitting the nail on the head these days. Well done!
Brownie,
I meant in this thread, but it's true too so far as I can see on this mb generally. The term "bullying" can also by the way be thrown around too readily sometimes as an avoidance techniques. Fred posts, "2+2=5". Harry posts, "no it isn't, and here's why". Fred replies, "you're bullying me."
What Sparky has actually meant here when he's accusing people of "bullying tactics" is, "you're not agreeing with my assertions and I don't like it" - a very different matter.
Just a small correction: Christian ideas are NOT unsupported.
Neither are Hindu, Islamic, Buddhist, Taoist, Shinto, Zoroastrian, etc, etc ideas.
What Sparky actually means when he uses the term...'bullying' is that he has sensed a behaviour pattern, not unlike the bullying cancer cell...when a number of like minded people respond to the call of the primary bullying cell and cluster together to make a consolidated attack on the well-being of the post. The methods are always the same...pick on an arbitary point and keep repeating it over and over even though it has often already been answered...and using disbelief and dawkinism as some proven scientific fact.
As far as I am concerned I have over-ridden both excuses by showing that it is an electric/spiritual universe, following electric/spiritual, scientific laws. Almighty God owns those laws and Jesus Christ taught them to us in an environment of extreme bullying which resulted in his resurrection.
You remind me of a latter-day Mrs. Whitehouse. She would sit in front of the tv tutting and complaining, but unable to find the off button. You have made your point, however dubious, ("most religionists target the young," - justify that ridiculous generalisation), and it's time you found the off button.
Sparky,
Asserting something and "showing" them are not the same thing. Unless you finally grasp the difference you'll never see where you keep going wrong here.
I'll say it again...just for you bluehillside. It is not an assertion to say that modern science are on the right track...they have some key-points wrong though.....
The way you've presented that previous of mine tends to misrepresent my words even though my previous post was included within your overall post, what I actually said as follows, underlined:
"I wouldn't know if N M targets the young or not but largely given the chance most religionists do", whereas most humanists try their best to help the young to think for themselves, rather than fill their heads with baseless nonsense.
The fact that the largest percentage of faith schools are primary schools, couldn't have anything to do with the fact that the younger children don't really acquire the ability to challenge until about the age of seven; no the various faiths wouldn't be so underhand and capitalise on this well known fact, no it couldn't be.
(37% of state funded Primary schools are primary schools, according to You gov figures).
ippy
I think you'll find that is another assertion I'm afraid ....
A provable assertion isn't an assertion torri. If it is unclear to you, then you have asserted that you can understand things that you can't.
I'll say it again...just for you bluehillside. It is not an assertion to say that modern science are on the right track...they have some key-points wrong though, and if they scientifically juggled the information they already have they could achieve far more...but the Holy Bible is the source whereby that juggling falls together as a bona-fide universe not the assertions that a singularity created everything even though they themselves who say it also disprove its accuracy.
The way you've presented that previous of mine tends to misrepresent my words even though my previous post was included within your overall post, what I actually said as follows, underlined:
"I wouldn't know if N M targets the young or not but largely given the chance most religionists do", whereas most humanists try their best to help the young to think for themselves, rather than fill their heads with baseless nonsense.
The fact that the largest percentage of faith schools are primary schools, couldn't have anything to do with the fact that the younger children don't really acquire the ability to challenge until about the age of seven; no the various faiths wouldn't be so underhand and capitalise on this well known fact, no it couldn't be.
(37% of state funded Primary schools are primary schools, according to You gov figures).
ippy
Sparky,
How would you propose to "prove" your assertion?
Modern science says that everything blew up out of a singularity.
This is obviouslly absurd...why...because the concept requires every galaxy to be less distance away than they actually are...
...now, they are supporting an assertion...
...based on solid scietific data, but flawed.
So, if someone says that the data is correct but the best answer is that the galaxies were much further away when the force that sent them hurtling away at high-speed struck them then sciences assertion has been resolved...everything tallies up...there is no longer an assertion.
That is what occurs throughout all my reasoning.
I have taken what science says as fact and proved some are assertions by proving a better answer...often using their data.
So my reasoning...based on Biblical teaching...are superior to what you consider to be fact.
Sparky,
No it doesn't. The current prevailing cosmological model is that there was an expansion, not a blowing up.
It requires no such thing. Galaxies only formed some 200 million years after the Big Bang.
No, "they" are positing a hypothesis based on the available evidence.
Why do you think it to be flawed? What better evidence or application of the scientific method have you brought to bear on the question?
No-one says that. That's just a straw man of your own invention.
That you just make up what your think science tells us and than apply bad reasoning to attack it? It sure does.
Except you haven't used "their data" at all. You've just misrepresented it.
Only in the mind of a narcissistic fantasist Sparky, only in the mind of a narcissistic fantasist.
We are going to have to agree to differ then bluehillside.
You refuse to accept that a wonderful spiritual energy is behind all existance and I refuse to accept anything that is not expressed through Jesus Christ. I have a promise, even though there is great terror looming...but you want to take it on the chin.
The beauty of realising it is an electric/spiritual universe...
...is that it offers electric/spiritual answers to our many problems..
...but there are those who, by devious electric/spiritual tecniques manipulate disaster...
...those who follow Jesu' accurate word cannot be charged with that crime, not according to righteous law...
...but those who refuse to acknowledge the good intention, the caring, the love, the hope, faith and charity of God's divine word as expressed by Jesus Christ are in for a rough-ride...with the sting of fire and brimstone in theiir tail.
Trying to save you from yourself bluehillside isn't a righteous crime.
I think you assume that schools are hell-bent on influencing the young: that is not so, and I speak with experience (Moslem schools and those other than Christian I cannot comment on.) You are not really talking with any kind of reality. To suggest, as you always seem to be doing, that children are being "corrupted" in some way, or being influenced in a negative way, is, in all honesty, ridiculous. In what ways are religionists influencing young children in a malign way? I think you hugely overstate the case; and as well, you fail to give those concerned the credit for thinking for themselves. In one breath you gleefully applaud what you see as the decline in religion, as you see it, and then maintain this view that religion is being "forced" on youngsters. Well, it clearly isn't having the effect you allege. You can't have it both ways!
B A it's a well known that children acquire the ability to challenge around the age of seven, not at midnight on their seventh birthday, the majority percentage of faith based schools are the primary schools, both facts, the bishop of Oxford was calling for more more schools to be used for recruiting grounds for the church at a synod held in June earlier this year and I may have got the denomination wrong but I thought it was the jesuits that promoted the well known phrase that starts, give me a child up until the age of seven, I know I may have not got that saying verbatim, but I'm sure you're aware of it.
I would see any type of groundless belief, or other things not so groundless such as unionism, humanism secularism or politics as subjects that are not suitable subjects to be given anything other than just the occasional reference to these vulnerable young children either; but that's because I don't believe in indoctrinating young minds with anything other than teaching them how to think for themselves.
There's plenty of time to present all sorts of ideas in front of the older children that have reached the age where they have acquired the more adult ability to challenge.
The way the church, religions in general do their best to grab these youngsters spells it out rather obviously unless of course you don't want to see it.
ippy
Young children do not question.
They are evolved to accept what they are told at that age as it's good for survival.
They should not be told that god exists until they are 20.
Point me to the adverse effects this supposed indoctrination is having. Whatever young children hear they will challenge if they are interested enough, when they are older enough to think it through. You patronise them in assuming they will net be able to decide for themselves when they reach an age to effectively challenge. So, is our society tottering because of these evil religionists, I am talking of Christian religionists here? IF not, what is the problem? I ask again: how are these children being harmed in any way? And not to forget that there is much teaching in Christianity that is of the greatest worth, don't you agree?
Young children do not question.
They are evolved to accept what they are told at that age as it's good for survival.
They should not be told that god exists until they are 20.
Some young children question. The crucial thing is that when any individual is old enough and ready, they can question and choose what to believe or what not to believe, at least in the Christian religion.
BA,
Just out of interest, are you relaxed about teaching to children any dogmatic beliefs as if they were facts, or only the dogmatic beliefs to which you personally happen to subscribe?
Isn't that funny! I was thinking of posting that exact post to you! And no, I am not being evasive. When I taught, I taught as the National Curriculum demanded: it was not a question of what I thought personally. So, what about you?
No they don't question at that age.
We tell them about Santa and they believe it. They only stop believing in it as it is not constantly reinforced.
Telling children god exists all their childhood makes later questioning very hard.
So, children should not be told that a god or gods exist.
If you tell them when they are adults I imagine they will then take the claim and analyze it. I doubt many will take it up, as it nobody can justify the claim that a god or gods exist.
Before the high-speed expanding universe there must have been a static universe standing on the same space,..
Now...let me finish my lawns.
For me, I do not want myth described as fact.
So no teaching my children that gods exist, and I have not told them they don't.
I just never mention it.
Your entire post suggests strongly that you have no wide experience of dealing with young people. And while we're at it, lets cut out all the fairy stories and make-believe stories of childhood, in case they harm or indoctrinate young minds. We don't want them growing up believing in giants and witches, do we? Though I guess there are some not far from here who do believe in such!You seem to be missing the difference between teaching things as myth, and teaching them as true
I see. So, rather than give them the opportunity to make up their own minds, you condemn them to ignorance?
Young children do not question.Neatly said. Even at 20 or any other age all professions of belief should be prefaced by something like: 'many people believe that *insert name of god of choice* is real/true, but none can provide verifiable, testable evidence'
They are evolved to accept what they are told at that age as it's good for survival.
They should not be told that god exists until they are 20.
Given that many eligious people see believing in their god to be s part of being saved for eternity, is it surprising that they want to tell their kids about it?
If the parents go to a regular service are they meant to find a friendly atheist to baby sit and lie about what they were doing to their kids?
Sparky,
No there mustn't. The current prevailing cosmological model is that the Big Bang was the beginning of space-time. There was no universe before then, and nor for that matter was there a before.
You're trusted to use sharp equipment unsupervised?
Blimey.
Neatly said. Even at 20 or any other age all professions of belief should be prefaced by something like: 'many people believe that *insert name of god of choice* is real/true, but none can provide verifiable, testable evidence'Even those who actually believe? Does that mean that when your child does something you regard as wrong you should say, 'Punching your sister is something some people think is wrong'?
NS,
Might be a good idea if they did, but that's not the point. We live in a society in which in most areas we only teach as facts those findings that satisfy certain basic tests. We don't therefore allow, say, Marxist-Leninist schools. For some reason though religious teaching (at least in faith schools) gets a free pass from that approach.
My sense is that when Christianity was the dominant faith and most people were Christians anyway no-one thought it much of a problem. With the arrival of other faiths though reserving that special space in education just for one faith was untenable, and so it was extended to other faiths too. What that gives us is a suite of faiths allowed to educate children according to their various (and often mutually contradictory) dogmas as if those dogmatic beliefs were facts.
What could possible go wrong there then eh?
Even those who actually believe? Does that mean that when your child does something you regard as wrong you should say, 'Punching your sister is something some people think is wrong'?I suppose I could have said, '... professions of belief in some kind of religious god'...' but I think my post was clear that the professions of belief I was talking about refer specifically to God/god/s.
Isn't that funny! I was thinking of posting that exact post to you! And no, I am not being evasive. When I taught, I taught as the National Curriculum demanded: it was not a question of what I thought personally. So, what about you? How do you respond to that same question?
I suppose I could have said, '... professions of belief in some kind of religious god'...' but I think my post was clear that the professions of belief I was talking about refer specifically to God/god/s.But the same logic applies to right/wrong, so why are you treating that differently?
But BeRational's post covers parents teach their kids, not just school system.
Like anything that happened through history and was witnessed, it is the evidence of those witnesses who tell us it was true.
You and I, cannot go back in time. But we cannot discount the testimony of witnesses because it does not suit your choice of what you believe.
NS,except I'm not arguing in favour of faith schools, I'm talking about parents and what they are allowed to teach their children.
All the more reason I'd have thought for schools not to re-inforce the notion that personal beliefs are also factually true. If a school says, say, "some people believe that Jesus was resurrected" rather than "Jesus was resurrected" the pupil could think, "my parents are among those people" but wouldn't have the resurrection opinion buttressed by a fact-based environment.
except I'm not arguing in favour of faith schools, I'm about parents and what they are allowed to teach their children.
NS,
Not sure about the "allowed" bit. What business is it of anyone else to interfere in what parents teach their children? It's an interesting question though - if a parent teaches his child to be violently racist say, can that of itself cross into abuse and, if it can, who decides?
We were though talking about the education system, and that freedom that parents have is all the more reason I'd have thought for schools to avoid the dogma = facts line.
And BeRational brought parenthood into it.
NS,His reply 715 made it wider than just schooling. Indeed it makes no sense if it is just about schools
I thought you did (Reply 719), but no matter - I merely argue that the very freedom parents have means that schools have to be all the more vigilant and restrictive in their approach.
His reply 715 made it wider than just schooling. Indeed it makes no sense if it is just about schools
NS,
ippy concluded: "The way the church, religions in general do their best to grab these youngsters spells it out rather obviously unless of course you don't want to see it."
BA responded: "Point me to the adverse effects this supposed indoctrination is having" etc. "This supposed indoctrination" etc referred to ippy's comment.
In reply 715 BR responded to that thought with: "Young children do not question.
They are evolved to accept what they are told at that age as it's good for survival.
They should not be told that god exists until they are 20."
I don't see any reference to parenting there - just to the way "the church, religions in general" behave. You could I suppose think that BR implied it, but that's interpretation rather than BR's "introduction" of it.
Either way though, does it matter much?
It's a clear implication and if you remove it, you then need to posit that BeRational thinks that there be some school people will enter at the age of 20 to be told god exists, which makes no sense.
As to it mattering, if the implication of that post is that parents should not have the freedom that they do now, then yes it matters.
Only one of these has the grand unification of all the unified field forces etched into its teaching...and so we can see...with every respect to all the others...that...excluding Christian iniquity...the teaching delivered by the son of their God is the ultimate and correct teaching...because none of the others had to achieve such a high righteous standard.
Some young children question. The crucial thing is that when any individual is old enough and ready, they can question and choose what to believe or what not to believe, at least in the Christian religion.
Sadly, there are far too many believers out there whose day isn't complete until they've threatened their children with eternal suffering and damnation for doubting the mumbo jumbo that's being imposed on them.
Really? And you are able to give some facts and figures to substantiate that, are you? Or is it just anecdotal?Perhaps you could give some facts about why you think it isn't mumbo-jumbo.
BA,
Differently to you - I do not think that dogmatic beliefs should be taught to children as if they were facts.
You told us here though that you think this is fine, albeit with reference only to your particular faith - hence my question. And no, children do not necessarily just grow out of it in later life. Far from it. Before their reasoning abilities are developed children are highly susceptible to being told by authority figures that what they're taught is true. If they're in the environment of a school and one teacher tells them about maths, the next about geography and the next about god why would children question the authority of just one of them?
That's why religious faiths are so keen to get them young - "give me child until seven and I'll give you the man" and all that.
Perhaps you could give some facts about why you think it isn't mumbo-jumbo.
Again, you don't understand children well. Most of what they hear goes in one ear and out the other, as it does with history, geography, and much else. As to your quote: well isn't it just conceivable, even in your world, that Christian principles of love and forgiveness, etc, are worth imparting from an early age?Is there a patent number on love and forgiveness?
Is there a patent number on love and forgiveness?
OF course not, but that is what the essence of Christianity is, and that is what it attempts to impart, and why that should be considered subversive is beyond my understanding.I don't think anyone is calling it subversive. And I don't anyone is talking about themselves eing problematic. The concentration has been on treating beliefs as the existence of a god as facts.
[/quote ???Again, you don't understand children well. Most of what they hear goes in one ear and out the other, as it does with history, geography, and much else.
As to your quote: well isn't it just conceivable, even in your world, that Christian principles of love and forgiveness, etc, are worth imparting from an early age?
I don't think anyone is calling it subversive. And I don't anyone is talking about themselves eing problematic. The concentration has been on treating beliefs as the existence of a god as facts.
When people talk of indoctrination, as some do on here, then I think that is equivalent to suggesting it is subversive. The trouble here is that the argument is totally one-sided. Given that religion is taught in schools, and will be in the foreseeable future, it might be apposite to pay more attention to the positive good that it teaches, a point of view rarely acknowledged here.North Korea uses indoctrination to back up the status quo, how is that the equivalent of subversion?
Again, you don't understand children well. Most of what they hear goes in one ear and out the other, as it does with history, geography, and much else.
As to your quote: well isn't it just conceivable, even in your world, that Christian principles of love and forgiveness, etc, are worth imparting from an early age?
When people talk of indoctrination, as some do on here, then I think that is equivalent to suggesting it is subversive. The trouble here is that the argument is totally one-sided. Given that religion is taught in schools, and will be in the foreseeable future, it might be apposite to pay more attention to the positive good that it teaches, a point of view rarely acknowledged here.
North Korea uses indoctrination to back up the status quo, how is that the equivalent of subversion?
Indoctrination is all but subversive by definition. To forcibly introduce attitudes that you desire is a subversion of human rights, whether it be on a national or personal scale.Eh? subversion is about overturning the social order of a state, or social structure.
BA,
Teaching to young children faith beliefs by asserting them to be facts is indoctrination. That you happen also to think that some of those faith beliefs are facts doesn't change that.
But you have to prove they are not facts, just as religion has to prove they are. Anyway, in my time these events were always prefaced by, " some believed," and that is perfectly acceptable to my way of thinking. To me the emphasis was always on teaching Christian principles.No, person making the claim has the burden of proof. These Christian principles, did you teach them by saying this is what I believe to be Christian principles, though some Christians disagree with me, and they are principles that non Christians may hold without ever having heard of Christianity?
But you have to prove they are not facts, just as religion has to prove they are. Anyway, in my time these events were always prefaced by, " some believed," and that is perfectly acceptable to my way of thinking. To me the emphasis was always on teaching Christian principles.
Eh? subversion is about overturning the social order of a state, or social structure.
Subversion can mean overturning a social order, etc, as you say, it also means corrupting a person's personal morals which is the sense in which I used it.So where anywhere has anyone here put forward a position that religious teaching overturns young children's personal morals?
Given that religion is taught in schools, ...Please explain exactly what you mean here when you say religion is "taught" .
So where anywhere has anyone here put forward a position that religious teaching overturns young children's personal morals?
Please explain exactly what you mean here when you say religion is "taught" .
Of course, all religious beliefs and non-belief should be taught ABOUT but your use of the word 'taught' does not imply that.
Well, Ippy, for one, talks of little else. I don't notice many atheists contradicting him.Does he? Where does he say it is overturning the personal morals of the young person?
Does he? Where does he say it is overturning the personal morals of the young person?
Subversion can mean overturning a social order, etc, as you say, it also means corrupting a person's personal morals which is the sense in which I used it.
Have you never noticed his favourite comment about indoctrination/brain-washing?That's usually that indoctrination and brain washing are not the same thing and he is of course correct.
That's usually that indoctrination and brain washing are not the same thing and he is of course correct.
He thinks that children might be indoctrinated by the religious, and I have had my disagreements on whether that is child abuse with him, but I have never seen him suggest that it is overturning the personal morals of the child.
Reading Ippy's arguments, I suggest he subscribes to both shades of meaning.Eh? Both shades of what meaning? And get back to me when you can show a post where he or anyone else suggests that indoctrination is overturning the personal morals of children.
BTW. Black is black.
Eh? Both shades of what meaning? And get back to me when you can show a post where he or anyone else suggests that indoctrination is overturning the personal morals of children.
All...
I'm not sure it is relevant here but I have just turned on the telly and was greeted by a news slot telling us about the enormous increase in the deteriorating mental health of young women. I nearly screamed at the telly to tell them it is due to nervous exhaustion usually induced by vanity and looking inward at themselves instead of looking outward with good reasoning and good logic to guide them.
I extracted this knowledge from the scriptures so while you mull over and attack righteousness I realized immediately that it is all these false marketing techniques that are at the root of all this despair.
Similarly...all the rest of these brain-washing techniques that our children are exposed to will bring them to despair early as well...so, why you blame Almighty God for misleading people...I blame all dissenters of righteous truth.
I couldn't help noticing this part of this post of yours Nick:
"Similarly...all the rest of these brain-washing techniques that our children are exposed to will bring them to despair early as well...so, why you blame Almighty God for misleading people...I blame all dissenters of righteous truth".
I think you'll find it's against the law to torture anyone, least of all children.
Just in case you wonder what I'm talking about; if you look into brainwashing the whole process revolves around torture, the North Koreans tried to do this process and it was found to have a very limited success; while you're looking up about brainwashing have a read about assertions, because it's obvious to me that you don't know very much if anything about either.
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it is small wonder that we are on the brink of WW3.WW3 oh no!
Nick, just wondering if you've tried knitting?Has he?
Reading Ippy's arguments, I suggest he subscribes to both shades of meaning.#
BTW. Black is black.
You are working at the extreme end of the brain-washing scale ippy...you know...the end that got Jesus crucified.
There is another extreme aspect where oppression is involved and this was particularly unpleasant during the slave trade when people would go to church in the morning and whip their slaves in the afternoon.
The mind is a wonderful tool but many seek to influence it by false reasoning...especially when it involves making someone else doing something that is beneficial to you. On the news yesterday it listed youngsters in this county who are being brain-washed by criminals to carry drugs and it is getting out of control.
And here are you ippy...having a stab at the only science that offers any daylight from inside this terrible black-hole...ah well...its Wormwood or repentance...I can't make your important decisions for you.
It's got nothing to do with Jesus Nick, what are you on about?
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It's got nothing to do with Jesus Nick, what are you on about?
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Just because you're obsessed with all of that religious stuff doesn't mean everybody else is Nick.
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I suppose I am a bit obsessive ippy. It's just that it is painful watching you all head to the furnace of fire and sulphur without making some remarks towards your salvation. But even I know it is a lost course. I can roll this out and say that all atheists worldwide would respond in exactly the same way so not to get over concerned. Not just me, but any who might feel as I do.
I suspect that pretty soon all of you will see what I have been telling you about and if it is anything like other experiences of mine, you atheists will be screaming louder and more forcefully than anyone else, demanding salvation...but those who are saved must realise that accept for the odd few you have dug your own black-hole.
Sparky,
One could be forgiven for thinking you quite relish the fate you think awaits those who find your claims to be ludicrous. What did Jesus have to say about nasty pieces of work who spread their bile in his name?
You need to read Revelation ippy. There Jesus tells everyone exactly what will happen to them in no uncertain terms.
The reason I am telling you is because I origanally thought it will make you think twice about the direction you are following and may even bring you to salvation...but you look at every avenue to condemn so that you are free to continue blaspheming God and Jesus Christ...how do you think those who are putting all their faith in this promise feel when they hear you bad mouthing their righteous and innocent saviour??
...Ahhhh I forgot...you don't care.
ippy/Seb/bluehillside/jjackjil...or any other atheist
This is for you...if you have time...and are prepared to digest it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hczaOtUmCvk
You need to read a dictionary and understand it Nick.
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P S, Oh yes Nick, I'm not going for the crem I've donated my bod, less any parts that might help others, to Sheffield Uni where my brother acquired his M D; so it shouldn't be to hot.
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It's just that it is painful watching you all head to the furnace of fire and sulphur without making some remarks towards your salvation. But even I know it is a lost course. I can roll this out and say that all atheists worldwide would respond in exactly the same way so not to get over concerned. Not just me, but any who might feel as I do.
I suspect that pretty soon all of you will see what I have been telling you about and if it is anything like other experiences of mine, you atheists will be screaming louder and more forcefully than anyone else, demanding salvation...but those who are saved must realise that accept for the odd few you have dug your own black-hole.
Pretty soon?
I suspect that pretty soon all of you will see what I have been telling you about and if it is anything like other experiences of mine, you atheists will be screaming louder and more forcefully than anyone else, demanding salvation.
Pretty soon?
How long is that then Nick?
What exactly is it that we are going to see? Pretty soon!
No one knows the hour or the day Seb...but you already knew that...didn't you??I could checkout the YouTube clip Nick, however as you are the one on here telling us all your accurate details and you are the one who claims to have done all of the accurate studying.
If you checked out that YouTube clip you might get a clearer idea...but I suspect you won't bother. As for trying to scare anybody, torri...there are many already very scared...and many of these don't believe in the Holy Bible either...they are talking about preparations like bunkers, water storage, food and rations horded for the event...but I am simply saying upbuild a righteous spirit according to the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ so that the only salvation possible is achieved and I've even showed how it all works...if you make yourself an indestructible electric being you can interact with all adversity thrown at you and come good...failure isn't a pleasant option.
I could checkout the YouTube clip Nick, however as you are the one on here telling us all your accurate details and you are the one who claims to have done all of the accurate studying.
Why don't we just cut all of the crap and you tell us what we are going to see, pretty soon?
Straight from the horses mouth and all that.
You need to read Revelation ippy. There Jesus tells everyone exactly what will happen to them in no uncertain terms.
Jesus didn't write Revelation Nick. Surprised at you for being so, errm, inaccurate.
What, you mean you really can't see the irony in a lunar-landings denier complaining about people not taking eye witness testimony seriously :o OMG
Yes.
It isn't in the least hypocritical: claims vary and need to be assessed on the details involved, especially so anecdotal claims.
So easy for you to forget the advancement of science and the fact the real 'irony' is that SCIENTIST are the ones who claim they never went to the moon or landed on it. In this day and age killing off the scientist as they did the astronauts back then would make no difference because new witnesses would come along the type of witness who may have seen the moon walk but know scientifically how impossible in those days it really was.
It is basically about the witnesses... In Christ time there were witnesses but no witnesses against because after he rose there was no body in a grave or anywhere to disprove it. It even had Roman Soldiers guarding the tomb.
The witnesses say Jesus Christ rose from the dead and was seen. But no witnesses to disprove him rising from the dead; the Roman Soldiers and Governors, even the high priest would surely have sought such evidence but found none.
You cannot disprove the truth about the witnesses who saw Christ and witnessed what he did.
But scientist are the people who make the claim the moon landing and walking on the moon was impossible to do safely in the 60's. So if you believe that NASA is telling the truth how do you explain the deaths of those who could witness it or the scientist who tell us that is was impossible in the safety aspect?
Jesus Christ, his life and his rising from the dead is not in question it was witnessed in every part. But no one was eyewitness to the actual events of traveling through space and landing/walking on the moon. The scientist today say it is impossible.
So nothing hypocritcal. Both lot's of evidence are different and so both accounts not comparable.
You need to read it yourself torri. Who said write these words down and seal them until the appointed time...and he ate the scroll and in his mouth it wzs sweet but in the belly it was very bitter??
Well it probably wasn't Jesus. Maybe he had voices in his head :'(
Oh dear, really Sass, you can't be serious. On the one hand you have a challenging science program involving thousands of people with mountains of tangible evidence and witnesses still alive to testify and that apparently is not sufficient for you.THERE ARE NO WITNESSES NO ONE WAS IN SPACE OR ON THE MOON WHEN THEY allegedly WENT AND WALKED ON IT.
And on the other you have a handful of anecdotal claims from the Iron Age of something totally impossible with no way to verify, yet that scenario is well-evidenced by comparison ?
If some nutjob puts up a Youtube video claiming Elvis is still alive because he saw him working in a chip shop in Bognor Regis are you going to believe that too ? I despair, you do no credibility for your faith by such abandonment of critical reasoning and sound judgement.
King James Version
And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
Sassy of course is right...
But even science now says it is possible...if everything is energy and energy cannot be destroyed, only converted to a new energy...then our bodies are composites of this energy transformed, so that if that energy, in life, can be harnessed into becoming a pure electrical being within us then by very advanced laws it can be resurrected. Jesus said that this is the nature of Almighty God...of all the angels in Heaven...of he himself...and of us too if we can get out of the nasty habit of wasting this energy by way of our sins.
THERE ARE NO WITNESSES NO ONE WAS IN SPACE OR ON THE MOON WHEN THEY allegedly WENT AND WALKED ON IT.
Actually there were human eyewitnesses.
Two: no human eyewitness but scientist who through advances in science claim it to be a scam.
Actually there were human eyewitnesses.
Those men who actually walked on the moon.
Some of them devout Christians.
You cannot prove that they are wrong.
Are you calling them liars.
Sassy
Sassy?
I think the jury is still out on this one Seb...but what I understood from Sassy is that there are claims and counter claims from expert witnessesNo Nick I'm not talking about 'expert' witnesses, I'm talking about actual witnesses.
I don't think Jesus is claimed to have said anything about God being electrical. But you might be partly right, in a sense, about resurrection, in that it might be possible in the future to do things like teleportation or uploading your 'self' to non-organic media such as a cloud server. We are essentially information patterns and patterns can be coded onto any substrate, there is nothing magical about carbon compounds in their ability to host information. But it won't be easy, and you have to remember that, what constitutes 'me' is valid for the current moment in time only.Woooa! You seem to have a deep mystical gnosis for the way the universe is Torridon.
Woooa! You seem to have a deep mystical gnosis for the way the universe is Torridon.
Let's run this profundity again
'' you have to remember that, what constitutes 'me' is valid for the current moment in time only.''
Are you getting this stuff from the akashic record? Johanna Southcott's boss or what?
I'm glad that you seem to support my idea though that a materialist should have no issue with the concept of raising (or reorganising matter) from the dead,
Writing the self or me in inverted commas seems self indulgent posturing....but that's you I guess.
No Nick I'm not talking about 'expert' witnesses, I'm talking about actual witnesses.
You know the ones who actually were there, some who are still alive to recount the events should anyone care to ask.
Those witnesses.
Some of them Christians who used their witness to further the cause of Christianity.
Are they liars Nick?
Nick?
Vlad,But then it's possibility, in the context you are talking about would take some intelligence and intimate knowledge of the design criteria (he said with a twinkle and a nod to dawkinsian mischieviousness)
The "materialist" has no problem with the idea that conceptually at least such a thing could one day be possible given the right knowledge and techniques, but that says nothing to fantastical conjectures about it happening "supernaturally".
I don't think Jesus is claimed to have said anything about God being electrical. But you might be partly right, in a sense, about resurrection, in that it might be possible in the future to do things like teleportation or uploading your 'self' to non-organic media such as a cloud server. We are essentially information patterns and patterns can be coded onto any substrate, there is nothing magical about carbon compounds in their ability to host information. But it won't be easy, and you have to remember that, what constitutes 'me' is valid for the current moment in time only.
If you learnt to read the Holy Bible accurately Seb...you would also read other things accurately. We weren't discussing what you said we were discussing what Sassy said...and she said that concerning the luna-landing there are claims and counter claims between expert witnesses.
Two: no human eyewitness but scientist who through advances in science claim it to be a scam.
There is a part of you that will not burn and it will not be disected to help anyone. It is the part that Jesus gave you the opportunity to bring back to a new vessel via the mechanics of resurrection he showed you.
Now...OK, you are happy to go to the magnetic ether to twiddle your thumbs but some of us know that Jesus went there and snatched the keys from its doors so that those that followed him didn't become trapped.
Well...if you don't get too bored...you can read in Revelation that all those in the ether will be tipped out, back to the flesh in time for God's Judgement. Some will go to everlasting life...here in the flesh...because they have shown they can follow righteousness. Others...well...errrr...wont be so lucky.
These are the things that can happen when you dabble with indestructible electrical forces that you refuse to bother reading about, even from the highest authority in the universe.
There is a part of you that will not burn and it will not be dissected to help anyone. It is the part that Jesus gave you the opportunity to bring back to a new vessel via the mechanics of resurrection he showed you.
Now...OK, you are happy to go to the magnetic ether to twiddle your thumbs but some of us know that Jesus went there and snatched the keys from its doors so that those that followed him didn't become trapped.
Well...if you don't get too bored...you can read in Revelation that all those in the ether will be tipped out, back to the flesh in time for God's Judgement. Some will go to everlasting life...here in the flesh...because they have shown they can follow righteousness. Others...well...errrr...wont be so lucky.
These are the things that can happen when you dabble with indestructible electrical forces that you refuse to bother reading about, even from the highest authority in the universe.
I forgot to tell you Nick, that Uni has some pre conditions attached to my bod donation; I only want any of body parts for transplant to go to the now 51% of the UK population that are non-religious people, so that scrubs you off of the list Nick.
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If you learnt to read the threads Nick, accurately, you wouldn't be saying that.
Would you like to read hat Sassy said?
Here it is here to help you
That was when I pointed out that there were/are human witnesses to the moon landings ie the guys ho were actually there.
So to repeat my question to you.
Do you think that the human eye witnesses to the moon landings ie the astronauts who actually went to the moon - are not telling the truth?
Simpe question Nick. Are you able to read the question accurately and answer it honestly?
I think I answered your question when I said...and I quote...'the jury is still out'...unquote.Not0a view. A fact that there are men who are witness to visits to the moon because they visited the moon. the question is do you think that they are telling the truth or not
Whilst you might believe that a huge misjudgement is being placed on your firmly held view here, there are experts who contradict you.
Not0a view. A fact that there are men who are witness to visits to the moon because they visited the moon. the question is do you think that they are telling the truth or not
The jury is still out on this one Seb.The jury is still out on that one Nick.
But not so with the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ...that happened alright...the evidence of resurrection confirms it.
The jury is still out on that one Nick.
Currently we could both talk to a live human who walked on the moon.
How many live humans can you talk to who witnessed the claimed resurrection?
That's fine by me ippy...though I'm in no position to ignore medical assistance.
You see, I believe, implicitly, that besides mans logic there is a deeper meaning to it all and that is what I try to reflect here. A power and a strength embodied within Jesus Christ's accurate teaching. A scientific strength that by your own acknowledgement you have no knowledge or interest in grasping.
I think it is poor university policy that allows the person to dictate who will get the organs donated...but I suspect you are having a little pun at my expense...even so...I am on a much bigger promise providing I don't flounder or fall at the obstacles well known to Jesus and Almighty God, and indeed many prior and current followers of the faith.
See me as an expert contradicting you on your firmly held view concerning the Holy Bible...bet you don't.
Now...instead of trying to chase me around on a subject I'm not paticulary interested in...why not concentrated on something I am interested in...like the electric/spiritual existence of everything in the universe which gave you life and which gave Jesus and Almighty God everlasting life.
Interesting: you seem to be claiming that this electric/spiritual stuff came before God. Quite a leap beyond traditional Christianity there. Perhaps the Mormons believe something similar. But not even the JWs believe what you've been suggesting.
It almost seems to allude to a steady state universe, with 'stuff' always existing. To really give such a claim as yours a rather more sophisticated pedigree, you'll find Plato arguing for something similar in the Timaeus (a little bedtime reading for you).
I think the jury is still out on this one Seb...but what I understood from Sassy is that there are claims and counter claims from expert witnesses but in the case of Jesus...though there are many solid, witnesses, telling us about the resurrection, there are none who contradict these eye-witness accounts.
Woooa! You seem to have a deep mystical gnosis for the way the universe is Torridon.
Let's run this profundity again
'' you have to remember that, what constitutes 'me' is valid for the current moment in time only.''
Are you getting this stuff from the akashic record? Johanna Southcott's box or what?
Like you Seb, I was absolutely convinced on what I had been told about the luna landing...but the arguments against it are convincing...especially when you realise the propaganda benefits of it all.No they aren't.
Jesus didn't have any of that propaganda machine behind himNot while he was alive, but since then, the Christianity propaganda machine has been in overdrive for 2,000 years.
One amazing fact about it all is this...that even though Almighty God could have spread his word in a much more exciting and incredible way he chose to do it in a way that is achievable, even by you.Translation: Almighty God did not spread his word: ordinary human beings spread what they thought was his word.
No they aren't.
Not while he was alive, but since then, the Christianity propaganda machine has been in overdrive for 2,000 years.
Translation: Almighty God did not spread his word: ordinary human beings spread what they thought was his word.
I suppose I am a bit obsessive ippy. It's just that it is painful watching you all head to the furnace of fire and sulphur without making some remarks towards your salvation. But even I know it is a lost course. I can roll this out and say that all atheists worldwide would respond in exactly the same way so not to get over concerned. Not just me, but any who might feel as I do.
I suspect that pretty soon all of you will see what I have been telling you about and if it is anything like other experiences of mine, you atheists will be screaming louder and more forcefully than anyone else, demanding salvation...but those who are saved must realise that accept for the odd few you have dug your own black-hole.
You see Dicky...we have to go down our own path of human philosophy...supported by Biblical teaching to even begin to understand all Biblical claims.
Claim one...That Almighty God has always been and always will be. He is telling us here that this energy which he owns has always existed. Sciences conservation of energy is made good here when we build in this point because all the raw energy that built the universe has always been and always will be.
Claim two...That God is involved in everything that happens in the universe...This energy then is involved in every natural scientific behaviour pattern within the entire universe.
Clue three...That God is the beginning and the end...That this cycle of the continuum is broken when Almighty God realised what was happening...he broke the hidden code of nature.
Claim four...In breaking the living code of nature God realised what was going wrong with life even in Heaven as it is here on planet Earth. We too are following exactly the same evil ways.
Claim five...God developed his righteous laws around his own heavenly population...repairing them in the same way he will repair us...or, at least, those who follow his ways which are embedded into the existance of this raw material that Jesus highlighted to us in God's refined way.
Claim six...Our own governments don't value our existance very much so why should a force that claims to love us all value us more. Simple really...Almighty God knows that righteousness will deliver repair and everlasting life providing we aren't interupted by the secret machinations of evil and so they, (Jesus Christ and Almighty God) have devised a plan where evil will be silenced once and for all...It's just that those teetering on the edge, who concern me most, because there is no need for them to be lost to Wormwood (The natural Judgment tool of God's choice)...but they will be, if their not careful...because God's Judgment doesn't differentiate between the worst evil and the best...those who just refuse to believe in righteous good order.
And your evidence that might support these claims of yours Nick, is to be found where?
Don't say the bible Nick, the bible and this god idea of yours are one and the same thing, in other words you need to supply evidence for both at the same time otherwise it wouldn't make sense and we'd be back to that circle of yours, your circle of non-reason which is all of your own making.
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The invisible things of God are seen by those things that are visible...so by showing you an invisible material that made all the stars and galaxies and laws controlling them...I have exeeded your criterea...ippy...especially when so many are blinded by its dazzling qualities.
You're not improving Nick.
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That's right Nick.
Now, closer here 'Seb' means...no one knows the hour or the day...but a good few YouTubers know that it is now fast approaching and, for my part, the Biblical signs are getting stronger...daily.
For my part, the Biblical signs are getting stronger...daily.Nick that suggests that some things are changing on a daily basis. What changed between yesterday and today?
That's right Nick.
Based on the success rate of you tubers so far in predicting end times of all different flavours I would say that sometime between 50 years and never is a good a prediction as any.
I won't be around then, so thanks but no thanks.
Nick that suggests that some things are changing on a daily basis. What changed between yesterday and today?
I can tell you exactly where you will be Seb. You too have an indestructable presence carved from an indestructable material, formed and shaped after your likeness but it will be insignificant and unable to become a reborn entity in the next generation...until that time when the plasma will release all its captives back to the flesh. I kind of think that time is now...because the morals of the world are so poor. Take that chance and repair your spiritual existance and follow the man who died...then snatched the keys from this prison to give you a righteous chance of renewal via his resurrection...failure means Wormwood...and I'm all for saving you from your own foolishness.
No. Seb isn't going into any furnace. i'm sure, like me, he'll refuse to go.
You are both excused then as far as I am concerned...so it's just Jesus Christ and Almighty God you both need to worry about.
Perhaps they will excuse you too...but only if you repent in time.
Wormwood is getting nearer Seb. I nearly pasted a scientific link on this subject, on your post, but decided not to bother.
Nick, if this religion of yours is that good and believable, I just wondered if or have you taken note of the ever increasing numbers of non-believers there are here in the UK and the equally diminishing numbers there of those living in fantasy world? I just wondered if you'd noticed?argumentum ad populum
Christians are less than 50% of the UK population now, looks like you lot are well on your way out; last year the UK church going population dropped below the one million mark, it must be worrying for you Nick?
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So it's your god who will ensure I suffer the agonies of eternal torture?
That's monstrous, even our penal system is better than that.
It must be embarrasing for your god that his creation exhibit better morality than he does.
All...
Just a new video clip off YouTube which I thought offered indisputable evidence of the approaching Wormwood phenomena that the Holy Bible and Jesus and Revelation warn us to prepare for...but as I say, or rather the scriptures say, the best preparation is in repenting and following the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISvONETfeJ8
argumentum ad populum
Nick, if this religion of yours is that good and believable, I just wondered if or have you taken note of the ever increasing numbers of non-believers there are here in the UK and the equally diminishing numbers there of those living in fantasy world? I just wondered if you'd noticed?
Christians are less than 50% of the UK population now, looks like your lot are well on your way out;
last year the UK church going population dropped below the one million mark, it must be worrying for you Nick?
You gov figures non-religious people are now 51% of the UK population, (underlined).
The C of E's own figures about the first time their Sunday attendance numbers fell below the million mark, (underlined).
The words in bold speak for themselves.
Argumentum ad correctium.
Time for a new pair of glasses N S.
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Nick, if this religion of yours is that good and believable, I just wondered if or have you taken note of the ever increasing numbers of non-believers there are here in the UK and the equally diminishing numbers there of those living in fantasy world? I just wondered if you'd noticed?
Christians are less than 50% of the UK population now, looks like your lot are well on your way out;
last year the UK church going population dropped below the one million mark, it must be worrying for you Nick?
You gov figures non-religious people are now 51% of the UK population, (underlined).
The C of E's own figures about the first time their Sunday attendance numbers fell below the million mark, (underlined).
The words in bold speak for themselves.
Argumentum ad correctium.
Time for a new pair of glasses N S.
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No need, decreasing numbers are used to imply it isn't good so just another ad pop
All...
Just a new video clip off YouTube which I thought offered indisputable evidence of the approaching Wormwood phenomena......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISvONETfeJ8
All...
Just a new video clip off YouTube which I thought offered indisputable evidence of the approaching Wormwood phenomena that the Holy Bible and Jesus and Revelation warn us to prepare for...but as I say, or rather the scriptures say, the best preparation is in repenting and following the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISvONETfeJ8
All...
Just a new video clip off YouTube which I thought offered indisputable evidence of the approaching Wormwood phenomena
That's hilarious!
We had an earthquake here @ 5.4 a few years back.
Someone ought to tell the man on the video that earth quakes are happening all the time, everywhere.
We are just usually unaware.
Lots of little ones might indicate stress in the ground has built up, but it might b worse if there was no little releases so the pressure underground builds up.
They reckon the Sandreas fault moves a fair bit every year and also up and down by half an inch.
Normally they get around 10,000 earthquakes a year, I think it's worse news if it stops for any reason.
None of it is caused by Naburu or whatever it's called.
http://www.techinsider.io/san-andreas-earthquake-risk-increases-2016-6
If you're going to follow anyone Gil Broussard is an astronomer and has been researching this subject for 3 years. He also relates his studies to Revelations. Here is an interview with Gil on the secular take for the case of a PlanetX:
So it's your god who will ensure I suffer the agonies of eternal torture?
That's monstrous, even our penal system is better than that.
It must be embarrasing for your god that his creation exhibit better morality than he does.
If you don't sin you don't suffer.
Who chose? YOU.
Smacks of the gulity prisoner blaming himself for being in prison and not accepting the blame.
Basically you decide where you go.
Nicholas, I wouldn't follow this guy, I think you'll find he's a hoaxer..... he walked out of a radio interview the other day when the questions got difficult. If you're going to follow anyone Gil Broussard is an astronomer and has been researching this subject for 3 years. He also relates his studies to Revelations. Here is an interview with Gil on the secular take for the case of a PlanetX:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90rpojJDGAI
We are told that those who refuse to listen to Jesus will finish up in a fiery lake of brimstone...and God's Judgment will have been fulfilled.
I think that text from Revelation specifies that the Devil will end up there. Revelation - a book that only got into the Bible by the skin of its teeth, at a late stage when finally admitted by the Catholic Church. Luther and others have thought it should not be there at all. Why do you trust it? You swallow a piece of fantasy literally, and misrepresent even that. Do you enjoy threatening people?
The book of Revelation would have been best left out of the Bible, it is open to so many crackpot interpretations. People will claim it predicts all sorts of modern day events, which obviously aren't actually mentioned in that book!
Revelation 21:8...says exactly what I'm saying Floo...all we have to do is read it. It's a shame for disbelievers, but God said he wouldn't destroy life on this planet as he did during the flood ever again...but he made us aware that a terrible event would build up slowly as a pregnant lady going into labour delivering great tribulations as that event gets nearer.
I don't know for certain if these approaching astronomical bodies will make the Earth quiver, darken the sun and put out the light of the moon...but observers following it say it is possible...and the increasing global problems suggest that is what's happening.
What I am saying is that we can follow Jesus accurately, discover his science for ourselves, and be best prepared for any eventually. The alternative is not to be ready, or even worse, be actively involved in making sure that others aren't ready either.
Just because Revelation states something like the lake of fire certainly doesn't mean there is any truth in it, just the overactive imagination of the writer.
Wormwood is getting nearer Seb. I nearly pasted a scientific link on this subject, on your post, but decided not to bother.Nice try Nick, but you said that the Biblical signs are getting stronger daily.
Revelation 21:8...says exactly what I'm saying Floo...all we have to do is read it. It's a shame for disbelievers, but God said he wouldn't destroy life on this planet as he did during the flood ever again...but he made us aware that a terrible event would build up slowly as a pregnant lady going into labour delivering great tribulations as that event gets nearer.
I don't know for certain if these approaching astronomical bodies will make the Earth quiver, darken the sun and put out the light of the moon...but observers following it say it is possible...and the increasing global problems suggest that is what's happening.
What I am saying is that we can follow Jesus accurately, discover his science for ourselves, and be best prepared for kany eventually. The alternative is not to be ready, or even worse, be actively involved in making sure that others aren't ready either.
On the strength of your argumet here Khatru...you condemn all those suffering in the world today...all those in war zones...all those affected by the uncontrollavle drug barons...all the those suffering at the hands of thugs, scammers, and much, much, worse, offences, against good order, for ever more...even though Almighty God has said there will be a Judgment and all those contravening righteousness will fail that Judgment.
So it's your god who will ensure I suffer the agonies of eternal torture?.
That's monstrous, even our penal system is better than that.
It must be embarrasing for your god that his creation exhibit better morality than he does.
Your God is very generous because he is letting you know just how serious he takes his word towards the righteous, even giving you the opportunity to repent...if that is what you want...its just that like any good suspense story...there is a time consideation involved...and Wormwood has no brakes.
Life is difficult for you to understand Nick, atheists don't disbelieve.When you eventually decide what you do do.......let us know.
ippy
All...
Just a new video clip off YouTube which I thought offered indisputable evidence of the approaching Wormwood phenomena that the Holy Bible and Jesus and Revelation warn us to prepare for...but as I say, or rather the scriptures say, the best preparation is in repenting and following the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISvONETfeJ8
Revelation 21:8...says exactly what I'm saying Floo...all we have to do is read it. It's a shame for disbelievers, but God said he wouldn't destroy life on this planet as he did during the flood ever again...but he made us aware that a terrible event would build up slowly as a pregnant lady going into labour delivering great tribulations as that event gets nearer.
I don't know for certain if these approaching astronomical bodies will make the Earth quiver, darken the sun and put out the light of the moon...but observers following it say it is possible...and the increasing global problems suggest that is what's happening.
What I am saying is that we can follow Jesus accurately, discover his science for ourselves, and be best prepared for any eventually. The alternative is not to be ready, or even worse, be actively involved in making sure that others aren't ready either.
Wormwood is getting nearer Seb. I nearly pasted a scientific link on this subject, on your post, but decided not to bother.
When you eventually decide what you do do.......let us know.
Nice try Nick, but you said that the Biblical signs are getting stronger daily.
What are those signs. In what way are they getting stronger daily?
Something must be noticeable on a daily basis for you to say that.
Some planet which may or may not be moving towards does not count. Why? Because you can't see it on a daily basis in fact you wouldn't even know where to look for it in the sky, would you Nick?
How does anyone disbelieve in something that's not there to disbelieve in Vlad? I don't disbelieve in unicorns either.God is what you're avoiding. We can see the effort you put in right here on this forum.
ippy
In other words the flood accomplished nothing, so due to God's failure, he'll destroy us again at some future date but this time not with water but with fire.
What is it with gods that they hate their own creation so much?
What's this? Please read my post again and explain how you get from that to your above reply.
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My god? I don't actually have any god. Not yours, nor indeed, anyone else's.
So it's your god who will ensure I suffer the agonies of eternal torture?
That's monstrous, even our penal system is better than that.
It must be embarrasing for your god that his creation exhibit better morality than he does.
God is what you're avoiding. We can see the effort you put in right here on this forum.
Do you know Vlad, I've been avioding unicorns too, and orbiting teapots.No...They've been avoiding you.
ippy
No...They've been avoiding you.
Just to prove I read your post again Khatru...
My reply to this above post is to point out that all the evil in this world which you seem to condone is the reason why Almighty God will ignore all the remarks against him. Your claim about the penal service being better than God's Judgment doesn't take into account 2000 years of wars, starvation, slavery, oppression, and wickedness against the innocent and generally nicer people in this world.
You have the opportunity to repent but prefer to use that time digging a bigger hole for yourself.
Nothing could be more evil than the deeds attributed to your god. The eternal torture which you claim is waiting for unbelievers in your version of faith is beyond evil.
Just to get this straight Floo...Wormwood is coming...we are Biblically warned of its approach and of the choas it will cause. We are also guided to a solid method of preparation, seeing that we each have a spirit that can survive or not survive here on planet Earth. Your decision isn't my decision...but I can only try and guide you.
Just to get this straight Floo...Wormwood is coming...we are Biblically warned of its approach and of the choas it will cause. We are also guided to a solid method of preparation, seeing that we each have a spirit that can survive or not survive here on planet Earth. Your decision isn't my decision...but I can only try and guide you.
My reply to this above post is to point out that all the evil in this world which you seem to condone is the reason why Almighty God will ignore all the remarks against him.
Your claim about the penal service being better than God's Judgment doesn't take into account 2000 years of wars, starvation, slavery, oppression, and wickedness against the innocent and generally nicer people in this world.
You have the opportunity to repent but prefer to use that time digging a bigger hole for yourself.
Even if any of that was true and not a figment of the imagination, what is good and loving about a god which would perpetrate such evil?
Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ.
He's not good, he sends people to eternal torture for trivial reasons.
The trivial reason is that despite serious warnings and the death and resurrection of his son, people will not take heed and taking heed of God is essential afterwards when those who have proven themselves as being hopeful and faithful can enjoy everlasting life. You could too if you get your righteous act together.Even the people who have never heard of God?
Even the people who have never heard of God?
Even the people who have never heard of God?
I've often found that people often express concern for others as a get-out for themselves...My recommendation is to be concerned for yourself first and then maybe bring in those close to you.But what if Wormwood appears before the word has reached everyone?
Don't fret for those who you are fretting about...the innocent are no problem at all, they already have what it takes to be saved...and the word of God is reaching into every corner of the world as we speak...but those who have followed the mischievousness of evil wont need to know about Jesus because they have already sinned themselves out of what's on offer.
But what if Wormwood appears before the word has reached everyone?
What then?
How does anyone disbelieve in something that's not there to disbelieve in Vlad? I don't disbelieve in unicorns either.Nice one!! :D :D
ippy
How does anyone disbelieve in something that's not there to disbelieve in Vlad? I don't disbelieve in unicorns either.
ippy
Quite easily Ippy.
If you told me you saw one on the way back from the pub one night.
I'd disbelieve that, and think you had had a few to many and your eyes were playing tricks.
It's the same with God. If some bloke tells you he hears God talking to him, I bet you would disbelieve that.
It doesn't matter if what you disbelieve in exists or not, it's the concept you disbelieve in.
The suggestion someone is suggesting to you, should it be little green men in a saucer, or that they found gold at the bottom of the rainbow.
The innocent don't need any extra help they will always comply with righteousness, the evil have no intention of complying whether they know about Jesus or not...Really?
Unfortunately the teaching of Jesus Christ and Almighty God has volumes of written evidence to support them. You and ippy and it seems Susan are able to dismiss this as being below your intellect but the evidence is stacking up that there are much cleverer people in the universe than us and if one of these is Jesus Christ and another Almighty God, then you haven't heard the last from them...I am just trying to soften the blow.
But what if Wormwood appears before the word has reached everyone?
What then?
I'm sure the answer will be found in the children's book of that name by one G.P. Taylor, who achieved a minor degree of fame on both sides of the Atlantic with his first children's fantasy "Shadowmancer". Described on the back cover as "A spirit-filled Christian", I don't doubt that he's got all the answers. Since Revelation itself only mentions Wormwood once, maybe it's in fact Taylor's second book that has been Nicko's bedside reading for some time......
Even the people who have never heard of God?
How does anyone disbelieve in something that's not there to disbelieve in Vlad? I don't disbelieve in unicorns either.
ippy
When tribes were discovered they always had he belief in 'a' god.Blah blah blah
When the tower of babel incident happened the belief of God was not exhausted in the people of every nation where scattered through the world.
There are no people who have never heard of god, just people who made the belief work as in a way to seize power till Christ came and showed us all the right way.
Must be difficult when you are in a present day situation and have to decide whether to believe or not. :)
When tribes were discovered they always had he belief in 'a' god.
When the tower of babel incident happened the belief of God was not exhausted in the people of every nation where scattered through the world.
There are no people who have never heard of god, just people who made the belief work as in a way to seize power till Christ came and showed us all the right way.
Yet! Unicorns are mentioned in the bible.
No one in this day and age have actually seen dinosaurs but they believe they existed.
Leviathan anybody?
Quite easily Ippy.
If you told me you saw one on the way back from the pub one night.
I'd disbelieve that, and think you had had a few to many and your eyes were playing tricks.
It's the same with God. If some bloke tells you he hears God talking to him, I bet you would disbelieve that.
It doesn't matter if what you disbelieve in exists or not, it's the concept you disbelieve in.
The suggestion someone is suggesting to you, should it be little green men in a saucer, or that they found gold at the bottom of the rainbow.
disbelieve
dɪsbɪˈliːv/
verb
be unable to believe.
"he seemed to disbelieve her"
synonyms: not believe, not credit, give no credence to, discredit, discount, doubt, distrust, mistrust, be suspicious of, have no confidence/faith in, be incredulous of, be unconvinced about; More
have no religious faith.
You are unable to believe in God, therefore you disbelieve.
You really don't get it Rose.
Let me invent something, just for example, 'Extroupuls', I have no reason to think there is something existing somewhere that is called an Extroupul, how am I supposed to disbelieve in something that has no evidence to give me the slightest reason to think that they, Extroupuls exist in the first place, likewise god or gods.
I've yet to see or hear anything that gives me any reason to think there is such a thing called a god, technically I'm not an aleprechaunist either.
ippy
You forgot to mention the Holy Bible Khatru. You can't say it doesn't exist and if it does that could be good reason why millions take it seriously...and perhaps why you should as well.
Now...one thing that Jesus tells us about is the spiritual nature of Almighty God, the spiritual nature of you and I then he tops it all by showing us that even in the worst case scenario, death is obsolete...providing we follow...guess what...his righteous spiritual laws. Obviously this is of no interest to you but it is now becoming obvious that there is an invisible, superabundant material pervading space...it offers free energy we are told and if we read it into our Biblical studies we find that it is a material worthy of a lot more study because it sounds as though all mass in the universe is made from it.
Everlasting life...courtesy of an indestructible energy...but hang on, don't get too excited...we have got to get through these great tribulations first and they are proving to be as serious as the Holy Bible told us they will be.
You forgot to mention the Holy Bible Khatru. You can't say it doesn't exist and if it does that could be good reason why millions take it seriously...and perhaps why you should as well
When the tower of babel incident happened the belief of God was not exhausted in the people of every nation where scattered through the world.
Yet! Unicorns are mentioned in the bible.
No one in this day and age have actually seen dinosaurs but they believe they existed.
Leviathan anybody?
Floo/torridon/Khatru...
The book that tells us about the electric/spiritual universe and gives us clear teaching on how to function peaceably, healthily and neighbourly, is the right one, underwritten by an amazing truth about this electric world...in righteous hands it can
deliver repair, resurrection, and everlasting life.
Ask the way, the truth and the life.
Floo/torridon/Khatru...
The book that tells us about the electric/spiritual universe and gives us clear teaching on how to function peaceably, healthily and neighbourly, is the right one, underwritten by an amazing truth about this electric world...in righteous hands it can
deliver repair, resurrection, and everlasting life.
Ask the way, the truth and the life.
The word 'electric' is definitely not to be found in the Bible!
Blah blah blahOOH did the truth hurt you on the other thread?
The astronauts who were witness to actually visiting the moon. Some of them Christians, we're they telling lies about their experiences?
That's not quite right. Theism is a fairly modern belief system and the notion of a single god dates only from the Bronze Age. For the most part, humans have been animists, belief in spirits, not quite the same thing.
The oldest monotheist religion is over 1 millions years old. It is a Chinese religion.
Need to do your homework.
Humans have not existed for a million years!
OOH did the truth hurt you on the other thread?And you are looking even more stupid than usual! ::)
Not the same thing at all. Do you often clutch straws in desperation.
Because you are looking desperate right now. :o
WELL! I didn't set the time limit or decide at what specific time in history they used certain metals to make objects for every day usage.
It is like so many things they tell you in these ages that you have no way of knowing if true.
But we start with who we are and what we have now. Doesn't make much difference because it is all faith, isn't it. You choose what to believe.
The word 'electric' is definitely not to be found in the Bible!
Is that the same book that instructs us to kill women who aren't virgins on their nights?
Faith can be electrifying though, floo.Deuteronomy 22:13-22
Never heard that one :o, I'll look it up. Didn't know there were special nights for virgins either, are they like : 'Over twenty-one's' and 'Grab a granny' nights?
The oldest monotheist religion is over 1 millions years old. It is a Chinese religion.
Need to do your homework.
Electric is used by me to denote a deeper, more modern meaning to our spiritual nature...Floo and I think I have justified this point by showing how the universe is a by product of that electric/spiritual nature which Jesus tells us about and by which he states clearly...God is a Spirit.
So spiritual laws require special spiritual observance if we want to follow the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...you don't want to Floo...your choice but I feel that is sad for reasons mentioned elsewhere in other posts.
All you have done NM is to state how you see things from your perspective. I see it differently due to my experiences,. Until there is evidence to support any faith position, or lack of it, such matters can only be a matter of opinion.
The evidence is already in front of you Floo but you have made yourself unreceptive to it. That will always be a shame for reasons mentioned elsewhere.
Remember, truth is always truth wherher you believe it or not.
The evidence is already in front of you Floo but you have made yourself unreceptive to it. That will always be a shame for reasons mentioned elsewhere.
Remember, truth is always truth wherher you believe it or not.
NM, your 'truth' is not my truth. There is NO verifiable evidence, what you regard as evidence cannot be substantiated.
The evidence is indisputeable. If you wiggle your big toe you fire many electric impulses through your body...that energy has to come from somewhere. Now, you can follow the chemical route which will lead to the atomic route, which will lead you to the solar pathway to find the original source for that energy...but, first Jesus Christ and now modern physics are saying that that energy is all around us all the time. A free energy which science wants to harness to make more useless things whilst Jesus, 2000 years ago taught us how to harness it for our own health and welfare....under the auspices of his father.
Clearly then, if you have a blockage against Jesus Christ you have a blockage against modern science because they are both saying the same thing from their own different perspectives. But Jesus got their first and seems to have a much wider depth of knowledge on the subject.
The evidence is indisputeable. If you wiggle your big toe you fire many electric impulses through your body...that energy has to come from somewhere. Now, you can follow the chemical route which will lead to the atomic route, which will lead you to the solar pathway to find the original source for that energy...but, first Jesus Christ and now modern physics are saying that that energy is all around us all the time. A free energy which science wants to harness to make more useless things whilst Jesus, 2000 years ago taught us how to harness it for our own health and welfare....under the auspices of his father.
Clearly then, if you have a blockage against Jesus Christ you have a blockage against modern science because they are both saying the same thing from their own different perspectives. But Jesus got their first and seems to have a much wider depth of knowledge on the subject.
The evidence is indisputable. If you wiggle your big toe you fire many electric impulses through your body...that energy has to come from somewhere. Now, you can follow the chemical route which will lead to the atomic route, which will lead you to the solar pathway to find the original source for that energy...but, first Jesus Christ and now modern physics are saying that that energy is all around us all the time. A free energy which science wants to harness to make more useless things whilst Jesus, 2000 years ago taught us how to harness it for our own health and welfare....under the auspices of his father.
Clearly then, if you have a blockage against Jesus Christ you have a blockage against modern science because they are both saying the same thing from their own different perspectives. But Jesus got their first and seems to have a much wider depth of knowledge on the subject.
You forgot to mention the Holy Bible Khatru. You can't say it doesn't exist and if it does that could be good reason why millions take it seriously...and perhaps why you should as well.
Now...one thing that Jesus tells us about is the spiritual nature of Almighty God, the spiritual nature of you and I then he tops it all by showing us that even in the worst case scenario, death is obsolete...providing we follow...guess what...his righteous spiritual laws. Obviously this is of no interest to you but it is now becoming obvious that there is an invisible, superabundant material pervading space...it offers free energy we are told and if we read it into our Biblical studies we find that it is a material worthy of a lot more study because it sounds as though all mass in the universe is made from it.
Everlasting life...courtesy of an indestructible energy...but hang on, don't get too excited...we have got to get through these great tribulations first and they are proving to be as serious as the Holy Bible told us they will be.
Floo/torri/ippy...
You all know very little about science else you would see the line of logic I'm following marries up well with modern science, and you know even less about Jesus Christ who you condemn mercilessly.. You slam and slur his name as if the millions who have found great store from his words are of no consequence and just don't matter.
Jesus faced the same dilemma and went to his disgraceful slaughter knowing he was doing it just for them.
Now...as I see it...there are those, today, who openly confess to be on the side of the crucifiers and those who totally object to them...This might be the key feature in Almighty God's, not so far off, Judgement.
Repentance costs very little except a little humble pie and humbleness is the way to tapping into that free energy...God's Fountain of Living Waters.
I feel I have outstayed my welcome so I'll leave you to your own devices...perhaps if I see Bashful Anthony posting back on here in the future I might be tempted to return...but I don't hold much hope.
Bashful Anthony is banned permanently as per the post in the Banned Posters thread, link below.
Floo/torri/ippy...
You all know very little about science else you would see the line of logic I'm following marries up well with modern science, and you know even less about Jesus Christ who you condemn mercilessly.. You slam and slur his name as if the millions who have found great store from his words are of no consequence and just don't matter.
Jesus faced the same dilemma and went to his disgraceful slaughter knowing he was doing it just for them.
Now...as I see it...there are those, today, who openly confess to be on the side of the crucifiers and those who totally object to them...This might be the key feature in Almighty God's, not so far off, Judgement.
Repentance costs very little except a little humble pie and humbleness is the way to tapping into that free energy...God's Fountain of Living Waters.
I feel I have outstayed my welcome so I'll leave you to your own devices...perhaps if I see Bashful Anthony posting back on here in the future I might be tempted to return...but I don't hold much hope.
Those words should keep the Acme Irony-meter Co in business until and if you ever return! ::)
You all know very little about science............
Floo/torri/ippy...
You all know very little about science else you would see the line of logic I'm following marries up well with modern science, and you know even less about Jesus Christ who you condemn mercilessly.. You slam and slur his name as if the millions who have found great store from his words are of no consequence and just don't matter.
Jesus faced the same dilemma and went to his disgraceful slaughter knowing he was doing it just for them.
Now...as I see it...there are those, today, who openly confess to be on the side of the crucifiers and those who totally object to them...This might be the key feature in Almighty God's, not so far off, Judgement.
Repentance costs very little except a little humble pie and humbleness is the way to tapping into that free energy...God's Fountain of Living Waters.
I feel I have outstayed my welcome so I'll leave you to your own devices...perhaps if I see Bashful Anthony posting back on here in the future I might be tempted to return...but I don't hold much hope.
I don't think any of us what you to leave the forum NM. :(
Floo/torri/ippy...
You all know very little about science else you would see the line of logic I'm following marries up well with modern science, and you know even less about Jesus Christ who you condemn mercilessly.. You slam and slur his name as if the millions who have found great store from his words are of no consequence and just don't matter.
Jesus faced the same dilemma and went to his disgraceful slaughter knowing he was doing it just for them.
Now...as I see it...there are those, today, who openly confess to be on the side of the crucifiers and those who totally object to them...This might be the key feature in Almighty God's, not so far off, Judgement.
Repentance costs very little except a little humble pie and humbleness is the way to tapping into that free energy...God's Fountain of Living Waters.
I feel I have outstayed my welcome so I'll leave you to your own devices...perhaps if I see Bashful Anthony posting back on here in the future I might be tempted to return...but I don't hold much hope.
Oy!
You can't go now, NM.....I've only just been able to access the forum after a year!
I've missed your 'unique' take on interpretation.
I don't think any of us what you to leave the forum NM. :(
This is something I find difficult to fathom, as when Nicholas is posting, Floo, you refute his every post. It can't be easy for him to labour on and on with constant rebuttals.again please note that Bashful Anthony is banned permanently as per link below
Looks as though you'll have to encourage Tony back as well if Nick is going to return.
Dear Anchorman,
Just about to go off line when I saw your name, man!! that brought a smile to my face, welcome back old son, and yes you have been missed, bed time for me, but great to see you posting again.
God is in his Heaven, all is right with the world. ;)
Gonnagle.
This is something I find difficult to fathom, as when Nicholas is posting, Floo, you refute his every post. It can't be easy for him to labour on and on with constant rebuttals.
This is something I find difficult to fathom, as when Nicholas is posting, Floo, you refute his every post. It can't be easy for him to labour on and on with constant rebuttals.
Looks as though you'll have to encourage Tony back as well if Nick is going to return.
And you are looking even more stupid than usual! ::)
No. You do not choose what to believe you cannot do that.
I think you have been told that before?
No you need to do your homework Sassernach. Humans have not been fully modern human for that long, mostly a figure of 200,000 years is now widely accepted, and even so we haven't been in China that long, the migrations out of Africa into Asia were around 50,000 years ago. The oldest monotheist religion developed out of earlier forms of Judaism around 6th century BC, although others hold that Zoroastrianism or Akhenaten's Sun God have valid claims to be the oldest. The start of the drift away from polytheism and animism is probably marked by the agricultural revolution when we humans began to lose our intimate and wide connections with nature, becoming separate from it by living in villages. Hence mythologies like the Garden of Eden that might reference ancient folk memories of the halcyon days when our hunter gatherer ancestors simply went and found food in the forest, and were not tied to the land labouring all year round to grow it.
Floo/torri/ippy...
I feel I have outstayed my welcome so I'll leave you to your own devices...perhaps if I see Bashful Anthony posting back on here in the future I might be tempted to return...but I don't hold much hope.
You wish! You just dislike the fact, I am not like the usual people you argue with.I was correct then.
I have answers you don't wish to face or be questioned about.
That isn't okay for you because you have no reasoned arguments when faced with the reality of the things I cause you to question. You realised yet that you can't run forever...
I was correct then.Ignorance and evasion in action is what you are in your answer. So never can be correct on matters of faith. You simply lack ability, the ability to make a reasoned or well thought out post in your own favour. :)
Ignorance and evasion in action is what you are in your answer. So never can be correct on matters of faith. You simply lack ability, the ability to make a reasoned or well thought out post in your own favour. :)Further confirmation that I was correct. ::)
I hope NM comes back again, he livens up the forum with his unique take on the Bible.Same goes for Bluehillside.
Same goes for Bluehillside.
Well my dear, I don't think you can be accused of livening up the forum. :DI'm not your dear.
I'm not your dear.
:D :D :D I was just trying to be kind to a poor old soul who is losing it a bit. :D :D :DIf I left this forum it would close through lack of interest within a month.......I know that, you know that and these men in white coats know it too.......
Same goes for Bluehillside.
If I left this forum it would close through lack of interest within a month.......I know that, you know that and these men in white coats know it too.......
Point one...we must agree to differYou disagree with me, but you can't articulate why?
Point two...we must agree to differ
Point three...we must agree to differ.
If I left this forum it would close through lack of interest within a month.......I know that, you know that and these men in white coats know it too.......Then why don't you take a month holiday from the board to see if that happens?
Unfortunately the result would be challenged by claims that any drop was really due to people not being able to act as some shower of a wild animal pack to savage Nicholas Marks ...........or the departure of Bluehillside where it would be claimed that people had left in sympathy with "their dear leader" or that they left to go and celebrate.Unfortunately for your arguement any Nick/Blue drop will be noticeable now so can be statistically discounted from that caused by your hiatus.
Unfortunately for your arguement any Nick/Blue drop will be noticeable now so can be statistically discounted from that caused by your hiatus.......Not only that, there's an even chance that remaining posters will be gored by mammoths defrosted by global warming..........
Plus you are claiming that the board would close.........
No you need to do your homework Sassernach. Humans have not been fully modern human for that long, mostly a figure of 200,000 years is now widely accepted, and even so we haven't been in China that long, the migrations out of Africa into Asia were around 50,000 years ago. The oldest monotheist religion developed out of earlier forms of Judaism around 6th century BC, although others hold that Zoroastrianism or Akhenaten's Sun God have valid claims to be the oldest. The start of the drift away from polytheism and animism is probably marked by the agricultural revolution when we humans began to lose our intimate and wide connections with nature, becoming separate from it by living in villages. Hence mythologies like the Garden of Eden that might reference ancient folk memories of the halcyon days when our hunter gatherer ancestors simply went and found food in the forest, and were not tied to the land labouring all year round to grow it.
So, without Christianity, floo, what would have happened to the world? How can you judge whether the world is or is not better, without an alternative timeline?Can anyone?
So, without Christianity, floo, what would have happened to the world? How can you judge whether the world is or is not better, without an alternative timeline?
As humans appear to have, on the whole, wanted or needed some sort of religion, had it not been Christianity that took off and became so widespread, it would have been some other faith (maybe one we know about already or perhaps something different altogether) - and we'd be here arguing about that :D.
Regardless of faith, I have always loved learning about religion. To me, Religion and Ethics is fascinating group of subjects.
Can anyone?
I doubt we would have been worse off if no one had heard of that guy Jesus and his unpleasant 'daddy'!
So, in other words, you cannot tell whether we would, or would not, be better - or worse off - without Christianity?
As I said, I doubt we would be worse off.
As I said, I doubt we would be worse off.
So;
I ask again;
What would the world be like today without two millennia of Christian history?
We have nothing with which to compare it.
True, but the evils attributed to that faith wouldn't have existed, it has been too dominant in Britain and other countries. Fortunately it is loosing its grip in the UKAnd what evils would they be, pray - the invention of the nursing profession? The abolition of slavery? Parliamentary democracy (which arose exclusively in Christian countries)? The welfare state, the progenitor of which was run by the church? Tear Fund? Christian Aid? The Salvation Army? CAFOD?
And what evils would they be, pray - the invention of the nursing profession? The abolition of slavery? Parliamentary democracy (which arose exclusively in Christian countries)? The welfare state, the progenitor of which was run by the church? Tear Fund? Christian Aid? The Salvation Army? CAFOD?
I still reckon the bad outweighs the good where that faith is concerned.Some evidence or arguments would be nice occasionally, instead of a bare "I think this, I don't think that", which is all we usually get from you.
Some evidence or arguments would be nice occasionally, instead of a bare "I think this, I don't think that", which is all we usually get from you.
The Crusades weren't a feather in our caps. The Spanish inquisition was evil. As for those who believe in that extremely nasty 'born again' nastiness, and use it as a method of abusively frightening people into conversion, I can't think of any condemnation bad enough to describe the unpleasantness of being subjected to it, especially if you are a child. >:( The RCC has been responsible for allowing paedophile priests to continue with their perverted practises! They have treated unmarried mothers shamefully, which is so hypocritical as god supposedly got Mary up the duff before she had a ring on her finger. That will do for starters!
Good to see you on the post again Nick; I've recently moved in to a new house and apparently all of the lighting circuits need to be updated apparently it's not earthed, can you recommend a good electrician?
ippy
Hi, NM. Good to see you back.
Thank you Anchorman/Walter/Brownie/ippy/Floo...well, that's alright then! ::)
Thank you also Walter for your concern. I'm not too concerned about going head to head with Physics experts...I rely on the simple fact that my knowledge unifies what they can't, yet still supports their equations and calculations...That is what is so hard for some to understand...The Holy Bible is written from a much higher level of science than our sciences can currently make too much sense of...but they will because accurate scientific truth is indisputable. We are talking a science that has the proven ability to offer resurrection and a promised everlasting life...so we can see just how far modern science is behind Almighty God and Jesus Christ's...but it is a science open to all those who value righteousness as Jesus taught us and are prepared to follow him...quietly, calmly and accurately.
Thank you Anchorman/Walter/Brownie/ippy/Floo...
Thank you also Walter for your concern. I'm not too concerned about going head to head with Physics experts...I rely on the simple fact that my knowledge unifies what they can't, yet still supports their equations and calculations...That is what is so hard for some to understand...The Holy Bible is written from a much higher level of science than our sciences can currently make too much sense of...but they will because accurate scientific truth is indisputable. We are talking a science that has the proven ability to offer resurrection and a promised everlasting life...so we can see just how far modern science is behind Almighty God and Jesus Christ's...but it is a science open to all those who value righteousness as Jesus taught us and are prepared to follow him...quietly, calmly and accurately.
For once words fail me! ::)
No Bashers posts since you left!
I feel I have outstayed my welcome so I'll leave you to your own devices...perhaps if I see Bashful Anthony posting back on here in the future I might be tempted to return...but I don't hold much hope.
What I find hard to understand is that if everything in the universe is made from energy or responds to that energy in some way, why so many, like you Floo, just can't accept that the source of all that energy holds the clues to the entire book of science.
When we have established this, we can easily see that this is what Almighty God is telling us...everything is made from his dynamic energy, including the simple fact that he too is made from all that energy and is, thereby the highest authority in the universe because he has all authority over all that dynamic energy.
In its purest form it is invisible and virtually undetectable...just like dark matter and dark energy. It can compress into particles...it can radiate as waves do, it can inspire all electric and magnetic behaviour...it can build atoms and it can configure itself into galaxies.
There is no beginning and will be no end to its existence except for the beginning and end that Almighty God etched into it when he discovered it and carved a new explanation of creation from it. There is so much that can be gleaned from it but first we must get past our own denial and embrace Almighty God and his much loved son, Jesus Christ, for all their loving work on our behalf.
Nick
where is this entire book of science ,I want a copy to show to every scientist on the planet . Then they can all give up working and spend more time with their kids or whatever.
Although I can explain how electrons are sent along a wire as the higgs-field becomes exposed and electro-motive force kicks the tiny bundles of energy along it, jumping through the instability so caused...I wouldn't suggest that I am a good recommender of one electrician above another.
I am perhaps better skilled at telling you what happens when, by a similar route, all the electric energy with-in your own body is discharged by electric shock. The trauma is always the same to varying degrees. If, by careful fellowship with Jesus Christ's accurate teaching, you are able to withstand this sort of trauma to some degree you are better able to recover from such a shock of this nature and Wormwood will certainly deliver such a trauma when it passes by. So best to prepare for this as your first priority and ensure your everlasting life by it...Thanks for your greeting.
What I find hard to understand is that if everything in the universe is made from energy or responds to that energy in some way, why so many, like you Floo, just can't accept that the source of all that energy holds the clues to the entire book of science.
When we have established this, we can easily see that this is what Almighty God is telling us...everything is made from his dynamic energy, including the simple fact that he too is made from all that energy and is, thereby the highest authority in the universe because he has all authority over all that dynamic energy.
In its purest form it is invisible and virtually undetectable...just like dark matter and dark energy. It can compress into particles...it can radiate as waves do, it can inspire all electric and magnetic behaviour...it can build atoms and it can configure itself into galaxies.
There is no beginning and will be no end to its existence except for the beginning and end that Almighty God etched into it when he discovered it and carved a new explanation of creation from it. There is so much that can be gleaned from it but first we must get past our own denial and embrace Almighty God and his much loved son, Jesus Christ, for all their loving work on our behalf.
Firstly, we could agree that everything is made from energy, in a sense. We already have an understanding of energy, and we have a word for it too - 'energy'. We don't need to call it God, that just introduces a whole load of cultural baggage and endless opportunities for misunderstanding and unscientific interpretation. Energy is not sentient; it might be involved in sentience, but it is not sentient and it has no problems with gays or same sex marriage. Calling energy god just licences people to indulge their personal prejudices.
Secondly, saying god is made of energy is rather circular. You are saying god is made of god-stuff. It would be better from your point of view to argue for an irreducible god, one that is not made of anything.
Who is the 'we'?
The longer we leave it the harder it will be.
No Bashers posts since you left!
I was holding out so much hope, that you would be good to your word, Nick.
Looks like something (Satan?) has tempted you back though?
What happened at the other place? No converts there either? Shame!
Have you taken any anti-dizzyness pills to prepare you to counteract your circular arguments which will surely happen, soon? (that's 'soon' as in the common English language usage ::) )
Unfortunately torridon...I have to stick to accuracy and truth...and that truth is saying that the Holy Bible is correct in every detail...provable by science...which will have to conclude soon that all their dark matter and dark energy is the birth-force behind all their scientific knowledge, data, and calculations. Because of my spirit of adventure I have sought to manufacture our universe from the clues given in the Holy Bible and clues given by modern science and, in my own naive way to bring that knowledge to those who will listen and in the time span available to us.
If the Holy Bible is true in every detail these are the points we should consider seriously. That in the last days there will be difficult times hard to deal with. Evil will rise-up like a cancerous tumour. There will be wars and rumours of wars...there will be earthquakes and food shortages in diverse places...there will be a great intrusion of this planetary system by way of the bombardment of rogue heavenly forces including Wormwood and a fiery lake of sulphur and, here, we are just scratching the surface.
It is all very grim but we are warned about it by a very high teacher from a very high authority who tells us how to prepare for such traumas...how to be resurrected, and how to be comforted when it happens. Every one is able to participate in that teaching providing they show appropriate respect to their deity which includes looking at Jesus' teaching again...individually...and allow our thinking to align itself with the authority who will rule us afterwards.
The longer we leave it the harder it will be.
Nick
where is this entire book of science ,I want a copy to show to every scientist on the planet . Then they can all give up working and spend more time with their kids or whatever.
You keep saying that. Why?
For someone who is an atheist,
Well then, you will never walk alorne.
What happens when the scientist ask you to explain?... Yup! back to the drawing board for you Walter...did somebody say something ? no, never mind then.
Have you been Walter?
Dear Seb,
The "we" is mankind in general ( I am allowed to answer some of Nicholas's post being El Presidente of his fan club ) but I fear our Nicholas may be to late in warning us, we have a Putin in the Kremlin, a Trump in the Whitehouse, a May in number 10, and if we are really lucky we will have a Le Pen in France. :o
Repent Sinners for the hour, day, week, month, year, decade is at hand, never mind, it is all not doom and gloom, I have square sausage for my breakfast :P
Gonnagle.
Gonnagle/Brownie/Sassy/ippy/Walter/Floo/Sebastian Toe…
You are right on the money Gonnagle…so thanks for that, and when things begin to hot up we will need to keep a good sense of morale alive…but…square sausages??
The forces of evil have a very limited behaviour pattern. They, like the cancer-cell, and all other bullies thrive on hysteria…winding up the emotional level of the masses so that the masses lose control not only of their ability to reason responsibly but will charge around blindly, into any situation, under the manipulation of their masters, as, and when, the hysterical pitch of the majority allows them to, and they will inflict untold amounts of damage on any who stand in their way. So it is wise to stay close to the teaching which supports an opposing view…ie…the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ…as he alone taught us.
We, at the same time, whilst the herds of people are crushing their own health, are taking our own genetic health, and those we are able to influence by our more righteous stance, and lifting them up into repair mode…just as Jesus taught us, and whichever of the many impending dangers affects us we will be best prepared to deal with them because we will have Jesus Christ and his all-powerful father on our side…and resurrection a firm promise given to us by Jesus, if we are able to endure it all to the end.
It seems likely to me that those who endure, righteously, to the end, will have applied for and receive an everlasting role of universal leadership, in the new heavens and the new Earth, which will be a priesthood caring for the good order and good health of those who are saved, under the direct authority of Jesus Christ, and we will all be scientifically able to whizz around the Milky Way, as we now whizz around this planet…but let’s not get too far ahead of ourselves.
Have you been Walter?
The forces of evil have a very limited behaviour pattern. They, like the cancer-cell, and all other bullies thrive on hysteria…winding up the emotional level of the masses so that the masses lose control not only of their ability to reason responsibly but will charge around blindly, into any situation, under the manipulation of their masters, as, and when, the hysterical pitch of the majority allows them to, and they will inflict untold amounts of damage on any who stand in their way. So it is wise to stay close to the teaching which supports an opposing view…ie…the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ…as he alone taught us.
He hasn't been anyone else.
Floo: Square sausages are much more credible than your 'science', NM!
You are not a lorne voice in your opinion.
Nicholas, I have a problem with the idea that we (or some of us) will be given overseer-type positions in the next life. Please explain where you got that from. Thanks.
nick
where the flying fffff fairies do yo get this stuff from?
its great for a laugh mate , but let's all acknowledge that eh? even you.
then you can carry on .......... off you go
You keep saying that. Why?
Well, is that it... I could call you a gentile which is the name for anyone not a Jew.Who asserts that, you?
But Sebastian, you are an atheist. You do not believe in a deity/deities.
In other words, Nicholas, we will be rewarded and in eternal bliss but those who do make it will all be the same, presumably. There won't be a hierarchy in Paradise.
Unfortunately torridon...I have to stick to accuracy and truth...and that truth is saying that the Holy Bible is correct in every detail...provable by science...
Well hold it right there, I am sure there are multitudinous detail inaccuracies in the Bible, such as the geocentric astronomy with the sun and stars being created later, flatly contradicted by science, we are given a worldwide bronze age flood, flatly contradicted by science, we have contradictory genealogies for Jesus, no science even needed there. Given that your opening assertion is so palpably inaccurate I think we can safely assume that any thinking further extrapolated from it is also going to be so hugely inaccurate as to be not worth reading.
My first rule of thumb is that the Holy Bible is 100% accurate...but...we...just, don't, yet, understand that accuracy. Modern Science is pretty accurate too...but it still only gives us best answers rather than absolute scientific truth and where science and the Holy Bible appear to contradict each other I tend to err on the side of Biblical teaching.
Clearly that is where you are going wrong then. If you can get get over this Bible being some sort of magic inerrant text, then you might start to make progress
When you show me how to tap into that invisible, living energy, that's all around us and simply waiting in the wings to support us genetically, and spiritually, without using meekness, righteousness, and the sincere worship of Jesus Christ and his father, Almighty God...I still wouldn't be interested because you didn't die a terrible death just to reach through all that evil fog to show me you believe implicitly in what your loving father tells you, which includes the indestructible electric/spiritual nature of the universe.
Eh ? Impenetrable word fog, that does not relate to the previous post as far as I can see.
NS
if you are to be saved , and everyone else is dead , where exactly will you be?
yes it was a good point but you didn't answer
so again , where will you be?
I looked up some Bible passages relevant to what you are saying, Nicholas, but I honestly believe there are people who are 'righteous' who do not follow Jesus. Compassion is not exclusive to Christians.
One example is a humanitarian organisation run by Sikhs; they go where there is a need, they give love and practical aid, without preaching or proselytising in any way. There was a very good BBC programme about this a few days ago which I watched. I was quite knocked out by the bravery and gentle kindness, but others can judge for themselves:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/proginfo/2016/46/the-selfless-sikh
This is where some of your ideas fall down for me. I'm a Christian but I see God's light in people of other faiths.
I looked up some Bible passages relevant to what you are saying, Nicholas, but I honestly believe there are people who are 'righteous' who do not follow Jesus. Compassion is not exclusive to Christians.
One example is a humanitarian organisation run by Sikhs; they go where there is a need, they give love and practical aid, without preaching or proselytising in any way. There was a very good BBC programme about this a few days ago which I watched. I was quite knocked out by the bravery and gentle kindness, but others can judge for themselves:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/proginfo/2016/46/the-selfless-sikh
This is where some of your ideas fall down for me. I'm a Christian but I see God's light in people of other faiths.
I'll try and explain...torridon.
You suggested I should abandon the Holy Bible...
Nick see if you can answer this one without going all around the houses, just a straight answer please, no sermons:
Now, can the bible be used to evidentially prove that the bible's stories, even the magical, mysterious and superstition based stories, are all true stories about factual events? (Even prove the the stories about, as you put it, The Electric/Spiritual Universe of Jesus Christ)?
ippy
No, I didn't say that. I pointed out that you were misrepresenting it in saying it was correct in every detail and that all those details were proved by science. Your penchant for unrestrained hyperbole in matters of all things biblical is unappealing to those who prefer a more measured and honest interpretation.
I looked up some Bible passages relevant to what you are saying, Nicholas, but I honestly believe there are people who are 'righteous' who do not follow Jesus. Compassion is not exclusive to Christians.
One example is a humanitarian organisation run by Sikhs; they go where there is a need, they give love and practical aid, without preaching or proselytising in any way. There was a very good BBC programme about this a few days ago which I watched. I was quite knocked out by the bravery and gentle kindness, but others can judge for themselves:
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/proginfo/2016/46/the-selfless-sikh
This is where some of your ideas fall down for me. I'm a Christian but I see God's light in people of other faiths.
Science, at its highest level says that the universe began from a singularity...an obvious error...just not possible. The Holy Bible says the universe erupted out of God's dynamic energy which has always been and always will be. When you get the first scientific principle right everything else can be calculated...scientifically...and if modern sciences equations and calculations are, where valid, built into your calculations then, that new science must be valid too. A science that says that resurrection is achievable if we follow that science by its highest laws. Laws that Jesus taught us if we follow him accurately.WELL, you are good for a laugh ,if nothing else
A science of this veracity can be taken as correct in all its hard to accept points because the level of that science is so very advanced proven by the fact 10000 years ago Almighty God'sactive forces were travelling around the universe in ways we can only dream about.
Yes...except, of course, where parables are used. The entire Holy Bible is a science...The Science of Righteousness...written by an authority that is far more advanced than you are I or in fact any who have ever lived here...other than those guided by righteousness who have seen sense above their intellect and are following the science that will have the last word.
yes it was a good point but you didn't answer
so again , where will you be?
Definition of science. The intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.
As a lot of the Bible is a very human work of fiction, it can hardly be described as having anything to do with science!
Again Walter, I did answer but by your own admittance you just didn't listen.at last, an answer, you will remain on earth. thank you .
I, like you, Walter, will be either spiritually sucked into the electric fabric of a passing rogue heavenly body that is comprised mainly of a fiery lake of sulphur or retained here on planet Earth to participate in a new heavens and a new Earth. The Holy Bible explains it best...I'm just pointing out that there is a valid science supporting the righteous teaching of Almighty God abd Jesus Christ. It cannot possibly fail...we just need faith.
Whatever happens we know that all the tears will be wiped away from the eyes of those that are saved and my guess will be that all injuries inflicted by those who have succeeded by the distress they have caused pre- Judgement...will be heading away on a journey best described as eternal damnation...with no remission.
When the scientist has done all the work...as per your definition...all the rest have to do is follow the princples esrablished by the science. Almighty God is lead scientist here and Jesus Christ is his assembly language to a science whose pure code passes all understanding...as proven by all atheists. But the faithful know better because that science freely works within them and around them
When the scientist has done all the work...as per your definition...all the rest have to do is follow the princples esrablished by the science. Almighty God is lead scientist here and Jesus Christ is his assembly language to a science whose pure code passes all understanding...as proven by all atheists. But the faithful know better because that science freely works within them and around themI'm going to make a suggestion Nick,
I'm going to make a suggestion Nick,
put your bible away for a couple of years , get yourself some chemistry, biology, physics books and LEARN.
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at last, an answer, you will remain on earth. thank you .
I'm going to make a suggestion Nick,
put your bible away for a couple of years , get yourself some chemistry, biology, physics books and LEARN.
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Even that is questionable...because some will go to Heaven. Only a few...but those who have met the highest criteria set by Jesus Christ will indeed go to Heaven. This would mean that they fit in well with others who follow the same universal code of righteousness...and I don't even suggest I come close.
However...Heaven on Earth the home for all those who now value righteousness and meekness. These will inherit paradise Earth..or didn't you know that??
Even that is questionable...because some will go to Heaven. Only a few...but those who have met the highest criteria set by Jesus Christ will indeed go to Heaven. This would mean that they fit in well with others who follow the same universal code of righteousness...and I don't even suggest I come close.from what I read ,Nick you are definitely heaven bound.
However...Heaven on Earth the home for all those who now value righteousness and meekness. These will inherit paradise Earth..or didn't you know that??
Where is your evidence to support your assertions? The Bible is NOT evidence, it is just a very human construct, much of which is the product of very vivid imaginations!there's no point Floo, just humour him.
Where is your evidence to support your assertions? The Bible is NOT evidence, it is just a very human construct, much of which is the product of very vivid imaginations!
Yes...except, of course, where parables are used. The entire Holy Bible is a science...The Science of Righteousness...written by an authority that is far more advanced than you are I or in fact any who have ever lived here...other than those guided by righteousness who have seen sense above their intellect and are following the science that will have the last word.
I completely understand your post Nick now can you tell me in the simplest of terms, can the bible be used as definitive evidence that can be substantiated to prove the things in the bible, such as the magical, mystical and superstition based stories it contains are in fact a part of reality?
In short without detracting from the above, can the bible be used to prove the things contained within the bible?
Assuming you're a rational being I would find a logical rational answer to this question interesting and I wouldn't find a sermon even a little bit interesting.
ippy
I'm going ro make a suggestion to you Walter and Floo...maybe I already have...and am working from the knowledge gleanedKeep reading them and then re-read . You have used some scientific terms in some of your posts however you have no idea what they mean .
Keep reading them and then re-read . You have used some scientific terms in some of your posts however you have no idea what they mean .
carry on .........
If you were listening to points made...not just my points but points made by various Bible Students Floo...you would know that wrapped up in Biblical teaching is a righteous code of behaviour which can lift us out of the oppression that the mechanics of man build up around us all and that this is like a breath of fresh air blowing around the dementia forming gills of our brains. Its not long before we realise that Jesus is teaching us something very special and underlines his special teaching with the word 'truth'.
Now...truth in all the matters Jesus tells us about means that he is talking about a science because scientific truth underpins everything...so Jesus is a scientist of the highest order.
Now, just as the Wright brothers calculated that they could make an aeroplane work...Jesus knew that resurrection would scientifically work and he too put it to the test and through the teaching of the Gospels we are witnesses of that fact, and, really, when the choice boils down between evil or righteousness, which it does, often, for many, the best choice is righteousness because oppression doesn't need a science to support it, but righteousness does...and faith is key to that support and that science.
There's a limit to any ones studies...especially when there are constant errors in them. For example...We have to accept that all the energy in the universe sprang from a dot no bigger than a pimple on a fleas bottom. Or, all the electric forces working away within a living cell has no bearing on the wonderful electric behaviour exposed by replication, or that gravity is somewhat mystical because they ignore the only possible explanation that it is an imploding force of the type that gives the higgs-bosun its imploding properties as well...or that the sun doesn't have a power behind its hydrogen fusion power which must be the birth-force behind it all.Whatever
Put it all together and compare it with Biblical teaching and you have a scientific authority over it all, and then you can rest knowing that Jesus Christ has all avenues sussed and righteousness, which is just exploring honesty and truth in any set of circumstances, will do the rest.
Whatever
oh and by the way its 'boson' not bosun ,that's something to do with a bloke on a boat
Which Bible students have ever described the Bible as a work of science? How do you know what is attributed to Jesus was actually said and done by him? I bet science was the last thing he considered when he was alive, it was a concept with which he would not have been familiar.
Besides all that, Jesus comes across as very human and prone to faults and frailties like the rest of us. Maybe he didn't start strutting his stuff until he was 30 because his parents had grounded him after his foolish behaviour at the age of 12!
Famous words by Jesus Christ...I am not of this world...if I had been legions would come to my help.
Interpretation...Heaven is not of this world either...It is many light-years away...and to reach us Almighty God employed many resources which, except for the faithful, he might just as well kept to himself and just let this planet suffer another violent natural death...as it is, he has a plan and we know he is sincere because part of that plan was Jesus Christ's brief, and torturous stop-over here.
Well...you knew what I meant Walter...but the actual scientific points made was, well, errr, totally ignored...even though the Holy Bible supports it whole heatedly and explains vividly that our salvation depends upon us grasping righteousness and living by its scientific standards. If I were you Walter, I would begin looking out for the signs in the heavens emphasised by the Holy Bible and which appear to be giving this planet a bumpy ride as we speak.I ignored the 'scientific points' as you call them because your understanding of them is not accurate.
Still, perhaps you prefer a future dictated by forces over which your voice will be insignificant....rough riding a rogue planet for ever more.
I ignored the 'scientific points' as you call them because your understanding of them is not accurate.
NM you cannot state we are wrong, because you have never provided any evidence that you are right! ::)
The evidence is all around you Floo...The invisible things of God are seen by those things that are visible.
The Holy Bible, and now 4000 years later, modern science tell us about a superabundant, invisible, almost undetectable force that is quite obviously the birth-force behind the 'science of everything'. I have taken the bull by the horns and...a bit like plasticine, have moulded it into atoms, extruded it into stars and galaxies, made it compliant with all chemistry and given it the explosive power of nuclear force...not by using the Hadron Collider but by using the Holy Bible, and I have to tell you and Walter that contained within that Biblical work is a knowledge that science will not be able to ignore for much longer, because what built all the stars in the universe is the same force that builds all genetic malfunctions, and Jesus Christ told us this and showed us how we can rectify these faults in a slow, caring and wonderful way...I'm just privileged to be able to overpower the nonsense which accompanies all the deliberate confusion and self-seeking which also accompanies many of the efforts riddled with pretence which enables some to cash in on our deepest fears.
NM you aren't convincing anyone, where religion is concerned.
There are other boards on this forum why don't you post on some none religious topics, it would interesting to know your views on Brexit, Trump and other political matters.
NM as I have said before I think Jesus, who was a 'miserable sinner' like the rest of us, is quoted as saying some sensible things, but others with which I would take issue. I am far from perfect, but try to be good enough and that is all that counts as far as I am concerned.Floo I would like to think you were very naughty on occasion though ;)
Floo I would like to think you were very naughty on occasion though ;)
Yes...but a 10000 year history is a tall order when compressed into one sentence. You see the foolishness of your request...however...I will do my best.It'd be even more interesting Nick if you gave a straight answer when anyone asks you a question, the powers that be, that exist inside your head, wouldn't be that impressed by your roundabout nonsense answers.
Jesus Christ said...and I quote...I am the way, the truth and the life. This is a scientific statement stating that his science is the path...built upon scientific truth...that justifies every word spoken in the Holy Bible...a truth that introduces us to the science of everything...I science which justifies its first law of being the product of a wonderful, invisible, superabundant, dynamic energy that gives birth to the way, the truth and the life of Jesus Christ.
Now...two sentences I know...but if we believe in his truth we can believe in his forthcoming Judgement and there is no harm in trying to improve our universal cred.
NM as I have said before I think Jesus, who was a 'miserable sinner' like the rest of us, is quoted as saying some sensible things, but others with which I would take issue. I am far from perfect, but try to be good enough and that is all that counts as far as I am concerned.
It'd be even more interesting Nick if you gave a straight answer when anyone asks yo a question, the powers that be, that exist inside your head, wouldn't be that impressed by your roundabout nonsense answers.
Have you ever given a straight answer to any of the many questions posters have asked of you Nick? if you have I've not seen one,
ippy
Your first error Floo is in thinking that Jesus was a sinner. Every serious Bible student will tell you that he was without sin and this is why we can hold him as a role model when reaching out for righteousness. He was God's word made flesh and God's word is, as you might expect the key, fundamental principles behind all existence.
Almighty God and Jesus put life first. But their teaching says that it is our spiritual existence which is the primary force in life. Just as the higgs is the primary force of the atom and that gravity is the primary force holding mass together. They are all electric/spiritual phenomenon but it is becoming clear to me that you are all unable to understand how it all fits together and so I wont bother. Suffice it to say that Jesus was born on planet Earth at the bequest of Almighty God to teach us laws that hinge on the true nature of this universe and following those laws an imperative to our salvation.This meant that Jesus was born perfect in every detail and was without sin, consequently, when we reach out and follow him accurately we are following perfection that can teach us a thing or two about how to gain the finest results from his fathers spiritual universe and facing up to evil is one of those tips...because rebirth is firmly stamped upon Jesus' reasoning.
If everything is the result of indestructible, spiritual laws, surely even you Floo can see that by harnessing that force via some special righteous laws makes you spiritually indestructible as well...even after death...and if strong enough...a controlled rebirth is available to you.
You always come out with the same examples, floo, which must be read in context. They just show that Jesus was fully human.
Not much for 33 years, really! Would that my misdemeanours by that age were so few, yours too probably.
Every serious Bible student will NOT tell you Jesus did no wrong! My husband studied theology for his first degree and now he is an atheist!
Of course Jesus did wrong if the gospel accounts were correct! As a kid of 12 he neglected to tell his parents where he was off to when he went to the Temple. Forcing them to retrace their step and considerable worry. If had been my lad he would have had his bottom wallop and been grounded. But maybe they did punish him! Jesus had a temper and stupidly cursed the fig tree. He trashed the Temple and should have been done for vandalism. He frightened the pigs over the cliff when playing with the exorcism nonsense. Animal cruelty, and there is no suggestion he compensated the farmer for their loss. Hardly the actions of a perfect person!
NM, you might as well save your breath to cool your porridge, never in a million years will I see it your way.
That is an appropriate expression...Floo...but don't ask me to explain it because it is better that you are left in your contented error...until you can no longer deny it to yourself.
Eternal life is the reward of following Jesus Christ accurately but, unfortunately...your spirit will not have access to it unless you pay heed to that accuracy...not my accuracy but, exclusively...Jesus Christ's accuracy.
It's a sad reflection on our Biblical depth of knowledge that people think that honest teaching from that Holy source is somehow not a straight response but I won't deviate from that source...I am not allowed to by honest righteous teaching.
If you read your Holy Bible and see it that Almighty God and Jesus Christ are trying to pull everybody into a pattern of health, happiness, repair, resurrection and everlasting life then you would find my responses more straightforward...but if your life is splattered with X factor logic or Jungle nonsense and all the other hysterical mechanics which are deliberately geared to hysterically grab your minds and as a consequence grab your spiritual health away from you then I accept that what I say might appear, errr...somewhat different.
So the proof needed that might support the veracity of your bible, is to be found inside inside the pages of the book in question, your bible sorry Nick, that's potty?
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It's so easy to twist logic to agree with a view that you want to make.
This is all you are doing Nick.
There is a small difference though Seb. The Holy Bible and science. These are supporting what I am saying and are easy to use as a check to identify my points of truth.a Nobel prize has your name on it Nick
Both say that the entire universe is deeply immersed within a superabundant energy. An energy that is invisible to all except through mathematical calculation. It is obvious to me that this energy is the spring-board behind all universal existence and if I can work it out Almighty God and Jesus Christ certainly can else why teach us how to use it, scientifically, to enrich all our lives with.
It's so easy to twist logic to agree with a view that you want to make ippy...and this is all you are doing.
You ignore facts like the Biblical teaching I am supporting has held millions of minds over many years which must have a scientific reasoning behind it...as does all manifestations of the gathering of many people to support any other single method of reasoning. But when you analyse all these various groups there are only two of any consequence. The first is oppression...it has been with us since the beginning of time. We only have to follow the behaviour of the playground bully to identify its worst manifestations. Using pure aggression a bully can overpower and suppress the emotions of another and before long they have total authority of many people. There are usually no principles or honesty to be maintained just sheer oppression, by a few, over the many. I make a distinct analogy between this system of bullying and the life and distress caused by the cancer cell...but unfortunately it is very complicated.
The other is the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ who shows us how to tear down the false ceiling built by oppression and repair from it in a similar way the Jews repaired after the Holocaust...but with added benefits.
Now you will knock this back with a silly statement that doesn't require any thinking power what-so-ever whilst I have put a great deal of thought previously to enable me to answer your tongue in cheek question...accurately.
There is a small difference though Seb. The Holy Bible and science. These are supporting what I am saying and are easy to use as a check to identify my points of truth.It's so easy to twist logic to agree with a view that you want to make.
Both say that the entire universe is deeply immersed within a superabundant energy. An energy that is invisible to all except through mathematical calculation. It is obvious to me that this energy is the spring-board behind all universal existence and if I can work it out Almighty God and Jesus Christ certainly can else why teach us how to use it, scientifically, to enrich all our lives with.
Nicholas, you cannot prove the Bible with the Bible. It just doesn't convince anyone.
There is a small difference though Seb. The Holy Bible and science. These are supporting what I am saying and are easy to use as a check to identify my points of truth.
Both say that the entire universe is deeply immersed within a superabundant energy. An energy that is invisible to all except through mathematical calculation. It is obvious to me that this energy is the spring-board behind all universal existence and if I can work it out Almighty God and Jesus Christ certainly can else why teach us how to use it, scientifically, to enrich all our lives with.
It is a well known fact that science requires more faith than believing in Jesus Christ.
But we both know that believing in either is a 'choice'.
I say that because if it was not a choice then all would believe or disbelieve.
I am not sure why you bother Nick,So you took the easy route then.
It is a well known fact that science requires more faith than believing in Jesus Christ.
It is a well known fact that science requires more faith than believing in Jesus Christ.
What nonsense, there is a lot of evidence to support scientific discoveries, there is none supporting belief in Jesus!
Jesus believed in the scriptures, in is entirety. Most religions believe in those same scriptures with their own deviations and so I would suggest that the vast majority living in this world today, including all science, believe that there is an invisible, superabundant, energy source, freely permeating this universe...Jesus simply taught us how to harness that force whilst giving all credit to its copyright owner...an eternal, everlasting copyright which no one, not even Satan, can infringe upon.where do you get this bollocks about a rogue planetary system from Nick.?
The rest is up to the individual, knowing that a rogue planetary system is on its way...foretold of by Jesus who had no need to lie, and anyway, lying went totally against his creed/science of righteousness.
Jesus believed in the scriptures, in is entirety. Most religions believe in those same scriptures with their own deviations and so I would suggest that the vast majority living in this world today, including all science, believe that there is an invisible, superabundant, energy source, freely permeating this universe...Jesus simply taught us how to harness that force whilst giving all credit to its copyright owner...an eternal, everlasting copyright which no one, not even Satan, can infringe upon.
The rest is up to the individual, knowing that a rogue planetary system is on its way...foretold of by Jesus who had no need to lie, and anyway, lying went totally against his creed/science of righteousness.
where do you get this bollocks about a rogue planetary system from Nick.?
So what if Jesus believed in fantasy, which a lot of the Bible seems to be? ALL religions, including Christianity, which is a mere religion just like the rest, even though some would deny that, are human creations, imo!
The Holy Bible in the the first instance Walter...but it is becoming more and more obvious daily...as the normal mechanics of this planet are getting more and more disturbed. Many observers are claiming regular sightings of such phenomena and whilst we are debating and others denying it, it appears that some are taking it very seriously indeed.Nick,
The point is that if we are following Jesus' teaching accurately we know what to do...Not worry too much, just continue as we are and his spiritual/electric mechanics will save us even if resurrection is the only answer, and, I'm afraid, that will be the case for many...but we also know that out of the ashes a new heavens and a new Earth will emerge...where all evil is banned and all science will be at our disposal...take it or leave it.
The signs are in the heavens and we are warned to look out for them so that we know that Almighty God 's hand is giving us the Judgement that we each deserve.
Revelation 21:8 says it best.
But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.” Rev 21v8
Yeh right! And the evidence to support that verse is?
The accurate teaching of Jesus Christ, that is proven to me to be the righteous teaching extracted from the scientific bare-bones of all existence....Take it or leave it Floo.
Nick,
that is so full of bollocks its NOT EVEN WRONG
I've noticed a lot with unbelievers that they have a one sentence kick-back which requires no thought and no skill just pure aggression...Just like the cancer-cell which just kicks out at surrounding cells causing distress.
It isn't my fault if anyone can't find faith in God's and Jesus' written word, I'm just trying to help.
I've noticed a lot with unbelievers that they have a one sentence kick-back which requires no thought and no skill just pure aggression...Just like the cancer-cell which just kicks out at surrounding cells causing distress.Your kind of help is NOT REQUIRED BY ANYONE.
It isn't my fault if anyone can't find faith in God's and Jesus' written word, I'm just trying to help.
NM, it would be most interesting to know what your occupation is?
You keep banging on about what Jesus was quoted as saying as being accurate, when you don't even know if he actually said any of it, let alone if it was all accurate. As I have said previously, some of what he said was sensible, but other things weren't!
Taking the crazy book of Revelation seriously is very silly, imo!
Jesus Christ encourages faith. His teaching has brought faith to many peoples lives because evil has a spiteful knack of bleeding people of their emotional health and this, over the ages, has proven to be the direct cause of unpleasant health problems...don't just accept my word for it...explore the teachings of the Jews and the Armenians and many others who have been forced to endure direct and vicious aggression.
Jesus suffered in the same way for the same reasons and no amount of discrediting him will destroy the simple fact that following him accurately will do for us, the individual, what it did for Jesus, who was resurrected in a way that proved we too can be brought back. after death, and take up life, in a new generation.
Disbelieving Jesus will not prevent it from happening for those who believe and who obey the science of righteousness accurately.
As I said it is ALL a matter of faith, NOT FACT!
And as I said Floo...the faith of those who follow Jesus accurately are participating in a science...and that science is etched from the foundation stones of all existence...from the spiritual/electric nature of the universe...and guess who owns that copyright...and it isn't Satan??
And as I said Floo...the faith of those who follow Jesus accurately are participating in a science...and that science is etched from the foundation stones of all existence...from the spiritual/electric nature of the universe...and guess who owns that copyright...and it isn't Satan??Nick my image of you is someone who works on the land or maybe a gardener at stately home or the National Trust or something of that nature. Doing good work for the benefit of the rest of us at the same time allowing you time to think and to type.
Nick my image of you is someone who works on the land or maybe a gardener at stately home or the National Trust or something of that nature. Doing good work for the benefit of the rest of us at the same time allowing you time to think and to type.
How close am I ,Nick?
How does a gardener type at the same time as doing what gardeners do?he stands and points and the minions do the digging , then he takes all the glory,
Oh, a boss gardener!
The word 'science', at the time and as it appears in the KJV, meant 'knowledge'. Just in case anyone didn't know, not teaching anyone to sucks eggs or anything like that.
he stands and points and the minions do the digging , then he takes all the glory,I think Nick has something to do with the food industry.
I think Nick has something to do with the food industry.
Sandwich boards maybe?
It's always wise to keep a sense of humour Seb. and you might be surprised to know that it is in the food industry where much of my righteous education came from...I see that you are still trying to make silk purses from sows ears.
Oh, a boss gardener!
The word 'science', at the time and as it appears in the KJV, meant 'knowledge'. Just in case anyone didn't know, not teaching anyone to sucks eggs or anything like that.
Thanks for that Brownie.
Walter/Floo...
As regards my employment...I have put all of my life's experiences, observations, calculations and revelations and cached them all into a science, which, amazingly, coincides with the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.
Now, I just want to express that knowledge/science in ways that I think are most beneficial especially as those experiences tell me we are all living underneath a false emotional ceiling that without Jesus Christ's accurate teaching no one can see over the top of.
The universe is so big, so old, and so full of wonderful science that it is a shame that we have to allow the brute force of the vile and the uncontrollable machinations of the few rule the roost...but that is soon to end and I am desirous that all those that can be saved are saved...even if resurrection, as proven by Jesus Christ's righteous teaching is our only armour.
I think Nick has something to do with the food industry.
Sandwich boards maybe?
Thanks for that Brownie.why do you care , what's it too you?
Walter/Floo...
As regards my employment...I have put all of my life's experiences, observations, calculations and revelations and cached them all into a science, which, amazingly, coincides with the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.
Now, I just want to express that knowledge/science in ways that I think are most beneficial especially as those experiences tell me we are all living underneath a false emotional ceiling that without Jesus Christ's accurate teaching no one can see over the top of.
The universe is so big, so old, and so full of wonderful science that it is a shame that we have to allow the brute force of the vile and the uncontrollable machinations of the few rule the roost...but that is soon to end and I am desirous that all those that can be saved are saved...even if resurrection, as proven by Jesus Christ's righteous teaching is our only armour.
Your life experiences might have made you see things the way you do, but the life experiences of others make us see it differently!
why do you care , what's it too you?
Why do I care??...good question...I care because we must all care for each other to fit into a world dominated by righteousness...No exceptions...plus the simple fact that the science will not work if we deviate from its caring attitude for our neighbours, our Deity, and our brothers and sisters, mainly because heavy loads suddenly become lighter when we are all pulling together and repairing our health will require such a mode of operation.
Science - if it is true science - will work, no matter what the moral outlook of the scientists performing it. The task of finding humane applications to such scientific research and invention is indeed as difficult as the science itself, but it is not the same thing.
The invisible energy is there in superabundance all we have to do is tap into it...and to do this we must hit the correct emotional frequency...Was it yourself I saw the other day there, wearing a tin-foil hat with an aerial attached?
Was it yourself I saw the other day there, wearing a tin-foil hat with an aerial attached?
Was it yourself I saw the other day there, wearing a tin-foil hat with an aerial attached?
Not quite correct Floo...my life experiences help me to see things the way Jesus Christ sees things...and he tells us why so many are so nearly crippled with the overdose of evil machinations...media propaganda and anything which influences the mind in an unrighteous way. That is how we can be so certain that by following righteousness we can cast the produce of Satan back in his face, as Jesus did, when, after the delusions of evil snatched his precious life away, he was able to set in motion a science that would keep evil in check until he returned...ie...resurrection, available to all who take Jesus' accurate word seriously.
Where is the actual word 'science' mentioned in the KJV?
Dear Seb,Definitely not change if it was indeed myself! :-[
No! That was me and I think I spotted you, were you the guy trying to use his mobile and count the change in your pocket with the other hand at the same time, well it looked like you were trying to count your change!!
Gonnagle.
Was it yourself I saw the other day there, wearing a tin-foil hat with an aerial attached?
No tongue in cheek Nick, I'll try to keep it simple for you, right, until you can establish the veracity of your beloved book especially the magical, mystical and superstition based parts of it, it, your bible, can't be used as an evidential base for promoting your belief in your bible, because you can only establish its words as your own personal belief.
Do you see Nick, although you think it's all based on the words of your god, until you can find the evidence that will take your book out and off of the fiction shelf of the library, then, and only then can you use it as any kind of evidential base for your, far to many, words.
Are you frightened of admitting there's no supporting evidence for especially the magical, mystical and superstition based parts of your book?
Straight answer to the question asked please Nick?
Just give an answer Nick, without any page filling, saying nothing waffle?
ippy
Told you that before on St Thad's, then Jonathan said that it was translated from the Latin meaning 'knowledge', but here it is again:
Daniel 1:4
Children in whom was no blemish, but well favoured, and skilful in all wisdom, and cunning in knowledge, and understanding science, and such as had ability in them to stand in the king's palace, and whom they might teach the learning and the tongue of the Chaldeans.
1 Timothy 6:20
O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
Abraham had so much 'faith' in god he was prepared to put his son through the trauma of sacrificing him! If your god asked the guy to do that, even if it did say, 'just joking', at the last minute, it doesn't say anything good about it, or Abraham for not telling it to stick that very sick request where the sun don't shine! >:(
NM if you had an experience, which led you to believe god was asking you to sacrifice a child of yours, assuming you have any, would you comply, and if not, why not?
The NIV doesn't use the word science. I hadn't seen your post on St Thads; it was written after I had shut down my computer for the night.
You are talking about Almighty God Floo...the God whom Abraham had a very close relationship with and whom he knew had total control over life and death. What was special about this request was that God made a decision which affects us all. It seems that God was struggling with a righteous problem...whether to put one of his prized subjects on planet Earth to suffer a terrible death showing us the same science of resurrection that Abraham's son would enjoy. God had a willing candidate, Jesus Christ, he just needed to be certain it was worthwhile...Abraham made God's mind up...he would send Jesus for those who might benefit.
God is a blanky psycho if the deeds attributed to it are correct, like telling Abraham to sacrifice his son! So if god asked you to sacrifice your son would you do it?
That's just about as wrong as it is possible to get. I think you must be going for some sort of record. At base, what science is, is a rejection of faith in favour of evidence and reason.
So you took the easy route then.
It seems that your government often asks us to sacrifice our sons...and...it seems...we either do it else be stigmatised for not doing it. You are stabbing at righteous teaching without having the slightest interest in the length or breadth of what you are saying. That is why the owner of the knowledge/science of resurrection is over and above all criticism...he didn't prevent his own son from suffering an exagerated fate that we all have to endure sooner or later whilst showing us that there is a way to achieve resurrection...if you put faith in Jesus Christ's righteous teaching.
It is more truthful and more honest and right as it gets. Your denial is basically just you being in denial.I am lost for words :-[
It takes nothing away from the evidence that shows there is no 'proof' regarding theories in science and there is no reasoning required as no evidence exists to support it anything but a theory.
You see truth works far better than unsubstantiated theories and people who argue there is evidence for a theory are using more faith than a Christian.
It is more truthful and more honest and right as it gets. Your denial is basically just you being in denial.
It takes nothing away from the evidence that shows there is no 'proof' regarding theories in science and there is no reasoning required as no evidence exists to support it anything but a theory.
You see truth works far better than unsubstantiated theories and people who argue there is evidence for a theory are using more faith than a Christian.
You are not as usual comparing like with like. ::)
Sassy has a good point...most of science, especially early science isn't the result of careful planning and analysis it is the product of trial and error and to get those results meant the suffering of many in the pursuit of those findings. Barbaric science with the general population their guinea pigs.I only read your posts for my amusement
But there was no need...by following Jesus accurately we already had the highest science at our disposal. Of course we couldn't have known that until now but via faith we could participate in that wonderful science until Almighty God deemed it the right time to make his science known to us and that unfortunately is just before the impending calamity facing us all now...and which only those with a righteous spirit can hope to come through in a useful way.
Almighty God calls it his Judgement.
You are wriggling Floo...The death of a loved one is as painful to us as it was for Abraham, as it was for Almighty God, as it will be through the great tribulations for us all...but here we have a super-emphasised scientific fact brought to us by the highest authority in the universe...he will not let the faithful down...that means that as a matter of urgency we should make ourselves one of those faithful...or prepare to surf in a fiery lake of sulphur for ever more.
The choice is ours.
It is you who is wriggling and refuses to answer the questions put to you. No sane person would sacrifice a child just to please a god!
It is more truthful and more honest and right as it gets. Your denial is basically just you being in denial.
No it is me being plain straightforward and factual. Nobody working in science would recognise your egregious misportrayal of their activities. Take a trip down to the Royal Society, the home of science in the UK one day, you find their motto to be 'Nullius in Verba', in other words, 'take nobody's' word for it, in other words, take nothing on authority, take nothing on faith. Instead we value experimentation and falsification as principles, these have shown to be sharper routes to getting closer to accurate understanding.
Nick if you are troubled by what you see humans doing and what you read in the bible, STOP READING THE BIBLE
The Holy Bible is a book of many truths ippy. I could put personal truths into my posts but they aren't open for the purpose of bad mouthing so I will keep them to myself for the time being.
Being receptive to Bible truth doesn't appear to be one of your skills...but I'll try.
The book is full of scientific support starting with the superabundant dynamic energy of God's being the birth force of stars which by default means the forming and shaping of galaxies of atoms of life and of every single science in existance. This means that the science that gave all these things their behaviour patterns is subject to that energy and gives us a starting point to explore science from...and...guess what...with a little Biblical insight everything unifies into one science. Of course you will debunk it all but when you get to the root of all science you are better equipped to decypher.some of the codes science is struggling with...and Jesus Christ proven to be the highest authority in the universe, after Almighty God himself...because he worked exclusively from the finest fruits that science offers. Now what slurs can you conjure out of that??
Why wont you give a straight answer Nick?Nick's his name, Preaching's his game.
A straight answer to my post 1117 on this thread Nick, what's wrong?
I've not asked for any of the stuff you've put in to this irrelevant post Nick.
ippy
Nick's his name, Preaching's his game.
Why wont you give a straight answer Nick?
A straight answer to my post 1117 on this thread Nick, what's wrong?
I've not asked for any of the stuff you've put in to this irrelevant post Nick.
ippy
I've more than adequately answered you ippy...but you are refusing to listen in the same way you refuse to take in honest Biblical instruction.
Other than it is Almighty God's intention to give every one prior notice of their impending fate with just sufficient time for those who might want to repent in a sincere way...there isn't really much more I can say.
You will make your own decision as to whether you want to be a part of God's wonderful future plans or not...it really boils down to how much you can align yourself with Jesus Christ's unjustified suffering and only you can answer that. Forgiveness can only support those who want forgiveness and I suspect you don't.
I don't know how you or anyone else can consider that you have answered the question I have asked of you and unless you're suffering from some kind of serious handicap that disables your perceptions of the outside world or perhaps some sort of reading disability that might excuse your condition, you still haven't answered
I've recovered a copy of my original question to you an pasted it below:
I'll try to keep it simple for you, right, until you can establish the veracity of your beloved book especially the magical, mystical and superstition based parts of it, it, your bible, can't be used as an evidential base for promoting your belief in your bible, because you can only establish its words as your own personal belief.
Do you see Nick, although you think it's all based on the words of your god, until you can find the evidence that will take your book out and off of the fiction shelf of the library, then, and only then can you use it as any kind of evidential base for your, far to many, words.
Are you frightened of admitting there's no supporting evidence for especially the magical, mystical and superstition based parts of your book?
Straight answer to the question asked please Nick?
Just give an answer Nick, without any page filling meaningless waffle?
Same again Nick, there's no need for a sermon of any kind and again what evidence have you got that proves that the bible contains the facts you say it does, the evidence would necessarily not be based on the book at issue, the bible, unless the person trying to reply is suffering from some kind of serious condition?
ippy
Given that you already know that Nick, can you please also expand on the 'sufficient time' part?
Other than it is Almighty God's intention to give every one prior notice of their impending fate with just sufficient time for those who might want to repent in a sincere way...
Given that you already know that Nick, can you please also expand on the 'sufficient time' part?
What exactly is 'sufficient time'.
Please note that I am not asking you when the 'sufficient time' will commence because all that you will reply is 'soon'!
I only want to know what duration covers "sufficient time '.
You seem to think that going round and round in circles is something new or clever, ippy...but it isn't. I gave you the benefit of the doubt first time but you are obviously jammed in your self denial...proven by your glaring Biblical slurs.
You too have a closed mind on the subject and I see this as an emotional problem you must deal with...especially as it is part of the righteous repair the science demands. Jesus taught us to embrace a calm, peaceful, caring spirit and this is my advice to you. If our genetic health is flapping all the while then they too can't switch off...our cells replicate wildly and its not long before unwanted genetic change takes place...This is courtesy of Jesus' righteous science...Take it or leave it.
How can you know this Jesus you keep referring to is the son of your god when you haven't managed to supply any evidence that would endorse that he is in fact the son of this god figure of yours?
I'm sure you do think Jesus is the son of your god figure, but you only believe he is you don't know he is because you haven't got any evidence that would establish that he is in fact the son of this god figure of yours
If you have got some viable evidence that proves beyond any doubt that this Jesus bloke is the son of your god figure, where is it?
You never answer this sort of question, whatever it is that you think is an answer is invariably something completely off topic and leaves me thinking, "what was that all about"?
Do you ever speak to anyone without giving a sermon Nick?
It looks like I may as well accept that you haven't got the mental capacity to be able to give me a direct answer to any question
ippy
P S there wouldn't be anything circular if you answered the actual questions asked of you.
Your asking a question I can't really answer Seb. You already know that no one but Almighty God knows the hour or the day...we are left with reading the signs. Signs like the attitude of people towards righteousness and their Deity. The conditions of the planet whereby it is screwed to the limit by commercial greed, waste and disfigurement. That the planet is displaying alarming faults in the way of wars, earthquakes, climate change, magnetic field disturbances, and mass die offs of many different species...all indicating that something is happening which can be traced to a planetary upheaval of the type spoken about in Revelation. Even the flight of many people with Jesus saying he hoped wouldn't happen in winter.Woooooooshhhhhhhhh...........
The whole world is being wound up to the max and only Almighty God appears to know what is happening. He tells us to stick with righteousness to the bitter end promising rewards for those that do. Its God's way to warn us of a natural disaster, looming, that will serve as a Judgement in righteousness...but when exactly it will happen...I can't tell you...best to repent anyway because the alternative wont be nice.
Circular argument ippy...I answer only to show others who have to deal with difficult customers that they will grind you down unless you stick closely to the teaching that Jesus died teaching us. The science is indisputable...It is contained within the Holy Bible...It starts with Almighty God telling us what he created the universe with...his invisible, superabundant, dynamic energy. Science has its own version of this energy so it is scurrilous to pretend or ignore the fact that Almighty God told us about it 4000 years ago. We can also use the same material to identify, accurately, what Jesus was teaching us when he talked about God's Living Waters...a wonderful electrical force that reaches into the depths of our genetic health and is well able to benefit us in ways that a closed mind can never understand.
It's a shame that some want to try and blow Jesus out of the water even when the last days are sweeping into our lives...but not every one will be saved and a preparedness to take in righteousness as Jesus Christ, alone, teaches us, is the only way to be strong enough and prepared enough for what is coming.
This puts Jesus Christ on the highest rung of the scientific ladder and it is a shame that whilst we have his teaching in our midst that many prefer to let scurrilous people wind us up and thereby steal away the very force that offers us all resurrection, repair and ultimately everlasting life...but it is a fact of life.
Why wont you give a straight answer Nick?
A straight answer to my post 1117 on this thread Nick, what's wrong?
I've not asked for any of the stuff you've put in to this irrelevant post Nick.
ippy
Nick, have you got any viable evidence that would prove beyond any doubt that this Jesus bloke that you think is the son of your god figure, was in actual fact the son of your god idea?
ippy
The Bible is NOT proof, anymore than the Harry Potter books, which are a better read, are proof that Voldemort exists, for instance!
Oh NM you do talk complete nonsense, none of the documents making up the Bible have been around for 10,000 years!
Even this article, which is written by a Bible believer, doesn't think it more than 1,500 years old!
http://www.everystudent.com/features/bible.html
Ohhhhh Floo...Perhaps I was referring to the Old Testament and the creation of the Jewish nation when I said that and perhaps I thought that people who read it might realise that and give me a little poetic licence....how wrong I can be.
Now...the Earth may have been around for a few billion years and though life may have evolved upon it previously we have to accept that the planet had become void and within the last 10000 years Almighty God had resurrected it...returned it to its life supporting status...and also decided to leave a manual to help us know how it all began. It appears that Adam and Eve had eaten from a forbidden fruit and this corrupted their genetics and death came into their otherwise indestructible lives...but Floo...now is the time to think a little deeper and realise that unless we use that manual properly that 10000 years is all we'll get...on planet Earth, anyway.
I don't think so, floo. I got what he meant.
Now...the Earth may have been around for a few billion years and though life may have evolved upon it previously we have to accept that the planet had become void and within the last 10000 years Almighty God had resurrected it...returned it to its life supporting status...and also decided to leave a manual to help us know how it all began. It appears that Adam and Eve had eaten from a forbidden fruit and this corrupted their genetics and death came into their otherwise indestructible lives...but Floo...now is the time to think a little deeper and realise that unless we use that manual properly that 10000 years is all we'll get...on planet Earth, anyway.
but Floo...now is the time to think a little deeper and realise that unless we use that manual properly that 10000 years is all we'll get...on planet Earth, anyway.But Nick, nobody knows the day or the hour!
In the interests of accuracy, your dates are waaaaaaay out, life began 3.4 billion years ago give or take a bit and despite numerous traumas there is no evidence of the planet having become lifeless since then. Life, it seems, it very persistant. The last 10,000 years is neither here nor there in planetary timescales.
But Nick, nobody knows the day or the hour!
So regardless of the use or misuse of the manual, you cannot possibly state whether 10000 or 110000years iis likely or not. Can you Nick?
Unless there is something that you are not telling us?
There is a lot of scientific controversy on this point torridon but I have used the Holy Bible as absolute truth and science a contributing factor. I have agreed the the planet has been around much longer than th e 10000 years but it was void and darkness was on the face of the watery deep...a simple statement which tells us the planet had become tidally locked...presumably after a massive planetary catastrophe of the type that this Nemesis system is threatening us with today. Obviously Almighty God chose this planet for his project because he could quickly restart it and all seed that was already in the earth would give forth its life.
Now...when resurrecting a planet is done quickly and is subsequently flooded all over I doubt whether any clues of that flood will be forthcoming and I suggest that this gives a little room to suggest the planet was resurrected God's way...with one mighty spin.
Well I am glad you did, his silly nonsense is often hard to make out! ::)
You will never understand me or the Holy Bible unless you read God's word accurately and honestly Floo.
The 'word' of God is a wonderful science and Jesus delivered that science in all its life supporting ways so that those who follow him will never die. They might cast off the old, stale, worn out, shell...but spiritually never die...and when we have got the science fully under our belts even the carcass will be renewable...so the Bible student is told and even modern science suggests that the living cell should never die and we also know that selected cells yield continuation of the species so that Adam and you have a common gene.
This post even more inaccurate than the previous I'm afraid. You'd need to go back 3.5 billion years to find the planet void of life and even then it was not dark, the sun was shining then also. Tidal locking has nothing to do with 'watery deep', it is a statement about the nature of the lunar orbit; the planet has not been flooded all over, although it might have been iced over in a previous ice age. There has been plenty of life on the planet prior to 10,000 years ago; take a google at the Carboniferous for instance, the planet was brimming with abundant life.
Apart from that though ...
The Holy Bible is so full of serious truths that where it can't be understood or appears to contradict science I err on the side of righteousness.
If this planet was under threat in the way I describe then a universal authority would have prior knowedge and be ready to assess the damage imediatley it was safe to do so. The report back to Almighy God would go something like this...Planet tidally locked...inaccesable from the side facing the sun but the side facing the abyss is accessable...it is in total darkness but the seas have all gathered on that side...the atmosphere is completely lost...all life and its support sytems lost as well. It does appear recoverable.
Almighty God replied...give it a little spin and see what happens...They did and God saw that it was good...hence he had just the project in mind to suit it...and regardless of things science misreads or I cannot prove He went ahead anyway.
What you mean NM is to read the Bible with your peculiar take on it! ::)
This would be all very nice storybook fiction for Sunday Schoolers around age 3 to 6, I would say. Beats me why you would post it up here to an audience of adults :'(
and the signs are certainly suggesting that we are certainly living in those 'last days.'So, sometime between some days and several thousand years?
So, sometime between some days and several thousand years?
Too broad Nick.
Come back when you have narrowed it down.
It may be a bit Janet and John torri...but it is an alternative which science can't disprove and if there is one stance that science can't disprove there could be another way of looking at it which is totally true because it is how Almighty God did it but it will not conflict with Genesis.Well pretty much all your recent posts hereabouts are full of stuff that is flatly contradicted by science. If you are aiming for entertainment value, fair enough, but for scientific accuracy, attention to detail etc, you are not even anywhere near the ballpark.
I don't think so, floo. I got what he meant.
Well pretty much all your recent posts hereabouts are full of stuff that is flatly contradicted by science. If you are aiming for entertainment value, fair enough, but for scientific accuracy, attention to detail etc, you are not even anywhere near the ballpark.
I think you are twisting words again Seb...still...its no skin off my nose if you don't want to be saved...i have simply undertaken the task of giving you fair warning.No twisting reauired Nick or are you going to deny that is your definition of "soon" or not?
Why don't you provide a straight answer. Prove all the theories of science are not theory but fact and show us the evidence...
You see Ippy it is all faith...
Come on Brownie, don't you start!
I've thought that you're one of the more rational riligionists, not that rationality sits very well with most religionist claims.
ippy
No twisting reauired Nick or are you going to deny that is your definition of "soon" or not?
Yes I do ippy...of course you will find it impossible to accept but you aren't bothering to read your Holy Bible...so how can you expect to understand things of a delicate and technical nature concerning the authority that will determine your Judgement.??
We have the Holy Bible which tells us that Jesus is the witness of Almighty God and Almighty God bears witness to Jesus...which means that Jesus taught us how Almighty God was ordained into his indestructible status...only Almighty God did it in Heaven whilst Jesus repeated it on planet Earth. They both took an indestructible energy and refined it into a force that can overpower all evil. Now, if the result of the first event is Almighty God, the spiritual owner of all knowledge and the personification of all that energy that created the universe...then the second person to achieve that high status is certainly the son of the first.
All those from Heaven honour and respect this status because it gave them everlasting life as well...and so will we when we have mastered the same righteous techniques...but we have got to believe what we are taught first, and what we are taught is that there is a massive upheaval due to cause havoc here on planet Earth and unless we have taken appropriate righteous action, beforehand, we haven't a hope or a prayer...but the Judgement will be on the side of righteousness.
My advice to everyone who is able, is to follow the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ and claim a place aboard that new heavens and a new Earth...and quickly.
I just make an effort to understand a post from the pov of the poster.
Don't always get it right but I try.
(No-one has ever called me "Rational" before :o, Plenty of other adjectives.)
I wouldn't reject any testable evidence Nick, it's you that won't or can't come up with any verifiable evidence, I assume you are aware, anything not testable is not evidence; things like assertions where they're not testable, if they were testable they would no longer be assertions.
If you haven't already done so read Floo's post 1026 Nick, her post might help you to understand one of the things I've been trying, unsuccessfully so far, to get over to you.
ippy
Evening Mr Marks.
To be ready at all times and then not think about it, is my motto.
For anyone who is interested:
Here is an article about Nibiru , I hasten to say it is only one of many and may not be the best one :
http://planetxnews.com/2016/06/16/overwhelming-evidence-2017-arrival-planet-x-nibiru/
This from the Independent (I haven't read this, will go back and do so forthwith):
http://www.independent.co.uk/topic/nibiru
I've now had a look and there isn't much available to anyone who isn't an Independent subscriber which I suppose is fair enough.
This Express article is better:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/702753/BLOOD-MOON-doomsday-planet-Nibiru-coming-captured-camera
& this is wiki on the subject:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_cataclysm
What you are saying to me ippy is that whilst you refuse to read the Holy Bible and refuse to take the scientific reasoning I have proposed on board...even though I claim to have made them on top of the equations and calculations of modern science...you are such an expert yourself that you can discredit the lot.
Doesn't hold water ippy and certainly not the living water taught about in the Holy Bible which only the foolish would discredit because it is said to be so superabundant that (100/7 -) 13 more universes of the same mass as ours could be made from it. And it is certainly an elixir that the medical proffession, whilst struggling with enormous health problems, have given no thought to what so ever.
Jesus says it can reach thirsts that no other quencher of thirst can...and I've even worked out how...and you know exactly who I attribute that knowledge to...don't you??
Whether I read the bible or not doesn't figure in this discourse I'm having with you Nick, you're promoting this bible book of yours as though it were all true facts, if that's the case where's your verifiable evidence that might back up your book as though it were in fact completely true evidenced piece of work.
So where is this evidence based verifiable, irrefutable, solid evidence you say you have Nick?
Hope, like you Nick, says he has something similar in the way of evidence and we've never seen that evidence either Nick, so you're not entirely on your own.
Without evidence Nick you can only declare that you believe all of this Jesus and god stuff, which is fine, but because you can't prove a word of it all you consistently keep doing is asserting knowledge of things you can't possibly know.
As for using the bible to prove the bible is a true book full of facts, that's beyond potty.
ippy
Many millions disagree with you ippy...including tyrants who took over Biblical teaching so that they could sway their masses their way. But I'm going over all their heads...I am saying that the invisible, superabundant, indestructible energy of which is calculated to exist by modern science has its first rendition in the Holy Bible over 4000 years ago, and that besides being the creative force behind stars, atoms and galaxies as depicted in the Holy Bible also unifies all science including that elusive gravity which science is struggling with...If correct, not even you will be able to deny the existence of Almighty God and his much loved son Jesus Christ ippy because their entire teaching revolves around this, their Living Water...the question to concern you though is this...Will you be able to attach yourself to it and be judged acceptable to a righteous, universal, science...in time??you do this as a joke, don't you. Trouble is Nick, we're all sick of it now
you do this as a joke, don't you. Trouble is Nick, we're all sick of it now
At last!
My work is done.
Ok...torri...I bow to your superior knowledge...but where do you think all this free energy is coming from??
Nick I've just watched the YouTube link you provided and have concluded this. Moderator: content removed.thanks Mod
I have a feeling Nicholas won't be back for a while. He went a few months ago, before you joined, Walter, then came back.I fear you may be right, Brownie, but it's been a fairly regular pattern, so let's hope he returns.
I'm disappointed at not having an answer to my post #1242; I don't expect all my posts to be read or for anyone to take much notice but I did hope he might answer that one. I suppose he still might, my 'feeling' could be wrong, hope so.
I have a feeling Nicholas won't be back for a while. He went a few months ago, before you joined, Walter, then came back.did you mean me when you mentioned praying Brownie?
I'm disappointed at not having an answer to my post #1242; I don't expect all my posts to be read or for anyone to take much notice but I did hope he might answer that one. I suppose he still might, my 'feeling' could be wrong, hope so.
Many millions disagree with you ippy...including tyrants who took over Biblical teaching so that they could sway their masses their way. But I'm going over all their heads...I am saying that the invisible, superabundant, indestructible energy of which is calculated to exist by modern science has its first rendition in the Holy Bible over 4000 years ago, and that besides being the creative force behind stars, atoms and galaxies as depicted in the Holy Bible also unifies all science including that elusive gravity which science is struggling with...If correct, not even you will be able to deny the existence of Almighty God and his much loved son Jesus Christ ippy because their entire teaching revolves around this, their Living Water...the question to concern you though is this...Will you be able to attach yourself to it and be judged acceptable to a righteous, universal, science...in time??
Nick this isn't an argument, where's your verifiable evidence that might back up your book, the bible, as though it were in fact completely true evidenced piece of work.what, like the pope does. what a charlatan he is?
I'm not denying anything Nick all I'm saying is where's the evidence that supports your bible based beliefs and if you find this elusive evidence that proves all of your bible based beliefs and if you present this cast iron irrefutable evidence, once you manage to get the media crowd off of your back, I'll more than likely join you and be come a believer.
I mentioned the media crowd because nobody else has managed to find any irrefutable evidence that would support your biblical based belief so that would make you the first person that has found any worthwhile evidence, the press would go mad we'd see your face posted all over the world as the first person to prove that one of the many religions has a factual base; think of all of those interviews Nick.
Seriously Nick, can you see this happening; come on, hands up Nick, you haven't got any verifiable evidence and it's very unlikely you ever will have.
ippy
did you mean me when you mentioned praying Brownie?
what, like the pope does. what a charlatan he is?
It is pointless even trying to tell you how the electric forces that exist within the living cell came into existence…but what isn’t so hard to understand is, that, as the living cell replicates, it generates a tiny electric charge and this charge times a billion body cells is what ultimately fails, turning the body cells into rogue cells…working wildly, starved of electric stimulation…and stealing it from other surrounding cells whilst the whole body degenerates into old-age. We can say this boldly because this is how a bully works…and, in comparing the mechanics of bullying we can compare the mechanics of cancer cells, and it all boils down to our electric/spiritual behaviour…ask Jesus Christ…he is, after all…the way, the truth and the life.
I agree it is pointless as you haven't a clue what you are talking about! ::)
It is pointless even trying to tell you how the electric forces that exist within the living cell came into existence…
Suggesting that you could even attempt such a thing when you have no knowledge of real science at all is quite laughable.
To me there can be no argument...but I respect the fact that new ideas take a little while to work through so I am content to just give you my knowledge based upon my experiences, calculations, revelations and observations. I could go into greater detail but I prefer our friendly little chats...after all...it is Jesus Christ who is the true scientist here acting upon the knowledge of the highest scientist in the universe...Almighty God.
I could go into greater detailGo on then.....
I could have written that for you Floo...I knew what you would say before you said it and I knew it wouldn't be constructive to the debate...even so...My experience, calculation, observation and revelation tells me that during our youthful years we waste this inner strength wildly...but it is the product of our healthy replicating cells. We also generate chemical energy but they are two different energy's and should be treated separately.
The thing is that we are a complicated bundle of organs and each needs a measure of electrical strength, at different times, and if we prefer dancing, and screaming at pop-stars we start to run on low charge. This is when the bullying cell comes alive. It is being starved of electric stimulus and just like its big brother...the bully...it starts kicking out at its healthier neighbours to induce their electrical strength and mercilessly take it for their own use.
You see...though medical science is a little lost on the subject Jesus Christ has already told us how to prevent it/how to restore from the damage/ and...if the worse comes to the worse...how to be resurrected after it.
It is a science that can work alongside medical help and it is a science gleaned out of the Gospels if we read them accurately.
All quite on the evidence front Nick?
ippy
I've already given you more evidence than you can cope with ippy...but I will give you more in due course. Remember it's you that isn't particularly interested in Almighty God but you could start by addressing him a little more respectfully than your previous posts.
Nick, I greatly respect people like Nelson Mandela, a real person, but why should I respect something that only amounts to an idea in peoples heads, not even a very good idea?
I would take a great deal of interest in your imaginary god figure if you could prove to me that he does exist but not without verifiable evidence, something you haven't managed to present here on the forum yet.
ippy
Most people have had to accept Almighty God and his much loved son, Jesus Christ, by faith...you aren't proving to be anyone greater than these, but many of these have found great satisfaction in Jesus' teaching...summed up as, faith, hope and charity, which is still around us even today when these are the exact same properties that evil want to squeeze out of all existence.
We simply don't have the advanced knowledge to understand many of the finer points of righteousness...a code of behaviour that leads to health, happiness, good order and a leadership which justifies the word leadership...but that is all to come...and it is wise for you to jump on board because the alternative made known to us by those in the know is very grim indeed, and we must have a proven track record of righteousness to become part of it.
Most people have had to accept Almighty God and his much loved son, Jesus Christ, by faith.
Nobody has had to accept any of this
.you aren't proving to be anyone greater than these, but many of these have found great satisfaction in Jesus' teaching...summed up as, faith, hope and charity, which is still around us even today when these are the exact same properties that evil want to squeeze out of all existence.
Absolutly nothing to do with any post I've sent to you.
We simply don't have the advanced knowledge to understand many of the finer points of righteousness...a code of behaviour that leads to health, happiness, good order and a leadership which justifies the word leadership...but that is all to come...and it is wise for you to jump on board because the alternative made known to us by those in the know is very grim indeed, and we must have a proven track record of righteousness to become part of it.
OK, where is the verifiable evidence that would support this knowledge made by those known to you, certainly not made known to anyone else, other than perhaps in the imagination, just like you Nick
No verifiable evidence Nick?
ippy
There is the telling of the bare facts and there is the accepting or rejecting of those bare facts. It is only the rejector who has to decide or otherwise whether there is any validity in the claim..a claim made by the highest authority in the universe...who left an account of that claim etched in truth and over-stamped in blood. It is well worth a read before you make up you mind about it.Nick
The deliverer is more concerned with the many others who might listen than the ones who prefer not to.
Nick
god love ya!
the bare facts are , you don't have any , and the fact you think you do is a very sad fact. In fact I would suggest you familiarise yourself with the definition of 'FACT'.
Good luck Nick
When NM reads the Bible he must wear special spectacles, which make the verses read the way he has interpreted them! ;D
Out of interest NM do you believe the male of the species has one less rib than the female?
They are NOT FACTS, but of course you can't see anything beyond your own unique interpretation, which has no credibility whatsoever.
I used to believe that the female was the weaker of the species but I'm not convinced of that now...They are both as bad as each other.
And what has that to do with the question I asked you?
If I was an alien and the first human I encountered was you, I would feel sad that humans were a lesser species to myself! ;D
It means that Paul had got it wrong and I have identified...to myself at least...an error in Biblical teaching.
An error, SHOCK, HORROR! ;D I know this is a daft question seeing I won't get a sensible answer, but how do you know what is FACT and what is FICTION in the Bible?
Don't get too excited Floo...there is a difference between the females who accept Biblical truth and those that don't...likewise the male.
The wife shoul >:(d be subjective to the husband...the husband subjective to Jesus and Jesus subjective to Almighty God. So maybe Paul wasn't so far out...It's outside the faith where this doesn't work so well because domination and bullying seems to be the norm.
This is why, outside Biblical truth there is so much turmoil...because tearing at each others emotional strength to claim dominance leads to a spiritual vacuum...still...who cares about the kids...other than Jesus Christ, that is.
Men and women are EQUAL you sexist so and so! >:( If god and Jesus expect women to be submissive to the their husbands, which is an abusive situation, they should be hung by their dangly bits from the nearest church steeple, as should you! I would be happy to oblige.
You see the problem then Floo...aggression before you even start. There is no aggression in Jesus so he wouldn't express any to man or woman...but promises a wonderful life for both...but, again, don't get too concerned because in God's Kingdom there will be no giving in marriage so there will be no one to dominate.
I would suggest that thare is an entire book of facts which has been around for a very long time. They have brought together an entire nation of people which stands firm even today after thousands of years of prophesy and truth, pain, punishment, and suffering, all because they believe in this truth. Ezekiel gives a strong account of the fact that our Deity roams around the universe in an unrestricted way just as we are Biblically told and everlasting life is clearly possible when we get the science right.
There is no point in guiding people to everlasting life whilst there are many who are prepared to snuff it out at a moments notice so it's wise to wait till these have either repented else have to face a global dilemma they are unable to escape from...We, it seems, will all have to pass through that same dilemma but if we use our righteous senses and repent in time we might be in with a chance rather than go cruising off surfing on a ferocious lake of sulphur where the wave never breaks and we have an unlimited amount of time forsunfire-bathing.
You have to remember, Nick!Has Nick read the bible do you think?
They never actually read the bible so do not even follow or understand how they can reach the truth. Head and Wall comes to mind and that really is a FACT by all definitions of the word.
;D Good Luck Hun... :)
Has Nick read the bible do you think?
Only wearing his unique brand of roses coloured specs! ;DHas Rose said he could borrow her coloured spectacles?
Has Rose said he could borrow her coloured spectacles?
Shhhhhhhhh, don't let on! ;D ;D ;D
There is the telling of the bare facts and there is the accepting or rejecting of those bare facts. It is only the rejector who has to decide or otherwise whether there is any validity in the claim..a claim made by the highest authority in the universe...who left an account of that claim etched in truth and over-stamped in blood. It is well worth a read before you make up you mind about it.
The deliverer is more concerned with the many others who might listen than the ones who prefer not to.
Nick, I've got the evidence that you've not given one shred of verifiable evidence in any of your posts that would prove the magical, mystical and superstition based parts of your belief/faith, have any factual basis.
Whereas your posts are mainly full of accertions about all sorts of things that bear no relation to anything that has the remotest connection to anything that could be taken as verifiable evidence that could support your god/Jesus belief/faith ideas; the ball is firmly placed in your court, so where is this elusive, verifiable evidence you keep saying you have given?
You have said the bible proves the bible which is fine with me Nick, there's always room for a joke from time to time, for one minute you had me there Nick, it made me think I was corrisponding with a nut job.
Just the verifiable evidence please Nick, I'll contact the media for you, phew, when your verifiable evidence hits the world news media, wow.
I look forward to reading how and where you found all of this evidence.
ippy
Has Nick read the bible do you think?
Have you read the bible to be able tell? Well I think there is no point asking me, till you have the answer for yourself. So won't have to ask me because I have read the bible.I only asked you a simple question, but there you go making a song and dance about it. Again.
How do you know if what he says is true if you do not know.
Jesus taught us all to see the world through his eyes...That everything in the universe resolves itself under the teaching of Almighty God...the sole voice speaking about all the electrical/spiritual force in the universe. A force that has a voice in every scientific behavior pattern. One of those behaviors makes it necessary for the vast majority of the older population having to wear glasses but we can be certain that those who follow righteousness will find they will eventually become obsolete...repaired through the righteous repair of God's electrical force.
Jesus taught us all to see the world through his eyes...
You are only seeing the world from your point of view just like everyone else, including the long dead Jesus. You attribute things to him which are laughable!Would it be correct then to say regarding your statement to Nicholas
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Would it be correct then to say regarding your statement to Nicholas
You attribute things to him which are laughable!
is only a case of you seeing the world from your point of view just like everyone else?
Against what objective standard are you judging Nicholas Marks' posts?
All...
I think it is now conclusive then that there is an invisible force, all around us, which is superabundant, gentle, weak, except for its wonderful ability to come together and build stars and atoms...it even has scientific support if we disregard their inbuilt desire to divorce Almighty God from the equation...but now we must look at how it is being misused to keep the wicked in oppressive authority over this arm of God's universal kingdom...not so that we can take it away from them but so that we can be patient and righteous in our quest to await God's Judgement.
Remember...it is the peace, repair, good-will, and good-order, of Jesus Christ, that will win the day...especially as no other authority has any grasp of the science behind resurrection.
Remember.... NM makes it up as he goes along! ;D ;D ;D
Science will never alter Floo...not God's righteous science anyway.
NM, you have no idea of what the term science actually means that is clear from your increasingly surreal posts. ::)
I know that science can't unify the four forces and I have added one more and unified the lot...with the help of Almighty God and Jesus Christ, of course.O M G
I know that science can't unify the four forces and I have added one more and unified the lot...with the help of Almighty God and Jesus Christ, of course.
You have added your the fruits of your overactive imagination. Don't blame a god, which might not exist, for your nonsense! ::)
I have always resisted the urge Floo but I can't any longer...please read your own footnote that follows your every post.
O M G
we need to inform the Royal Society immediately , all scientist around the world can stop work now.
You are certainly letting your imagination free reign that is for sure! If I were you I would be concerned that it is taking over your life and not letting reality impinge! :o
But you have no idea about what is happening in my life Floo, just as I have no idea what is happening in yours, except of course for all the clues you freely offer from time to time.
Me...I've simply put two and two together...and want to tell all those who I can reach that behind Jesus Christ is a living water, a spiritual property, owned by Almighty God, which can deliver all of Jesus' promises to us and in time for the great tribulations, which we are already seeing signs of and in which, Almighty God has already had the last word, whilst we just have to wait for it to unfold...and, perhaps, save a few more from the full force of it.
Jesus Christ's resurrection is a wonderful morale builder when faced with what we can see is opening up before our very own eyes.
But you have no idea about what is happening in my life Floo, just as I have no idea what is happening in yours, except of course for all the clues you freely offer from time to time.
Me...I've simply put two and two together...and want to tell all those who I can reach that behind Jesus Christ is a living water, a spiritual property, owned by Almighty God, which can deliver all of Jesus' promises to us and in time for the great tribulations, which we are already seeing signs of and in which, Almighty God has already had the last word, whilst we just have to wait for it to unfold...and, perhaps, save a few more from the full force of it.
Jesus Christ's resurrection is a wonderful morale builder when faced with what we can see is opening up before our very own eyes.
I know that science can't unify the four forces and I have added one more and unified the lot...
Only in your own mind.
It explains too many scientific points to be wrong Maeght especially about the teaching of Jesus Christ and the Holy Bible in general.
You see, Jesus teaches us that by keeping our spirit healthy we are keeping our physical health healthy as well but we must learn to work around that old disabler of our health...sin...because the more sinful we become the more aligned with evil we become and as we know from Revelation, not one of these will survive the fiery lake of sulphur.
It's all to do with the electric/spiritual nature of the universe coming across one of those universal catastrophes that, if it wasn't for Jesus Christ, would wipe us all out...but God has promised to save those who have a track record of thinking and acting righteously on that day of Judgement.
Well...he's got my vote.
It explains too many scientific points to be wrong Maeght especially about the teaching of Jesus Christ and the Holy Bible in general.do you know what, you almost had me , very clever Mr WUM.
You see, Jesus teaches us that by keeping our spirit healthy we are keeping our physical health healthy as well but we must learn to work around that old disabler of our health...sin...because the more sinful we become the more aligned with evil we become and as we know from Revelation, not one of these will survive the fiery lake of sulphur.
It's all to do with the electric/spiritual nature of the universe coming across one of those universal catastrophes that, if it wasn't for Jesus Christ, would wipe us all out...but God has promised to save those who have a track record of thinking and acting righteously on that day of Judgement.
Well...he's got my vote.
do you know what, you almost had me , very clever Mr WUM.
Winding people up is the stuff of Satan Walter. It's not in my brief what-so-ever...but what is in my brief is winding people down...bringing them back to reality...a reality that says that being wound-up destroys our spiritual strength and is the backbone behind every con-merchant in existence, so Jesus has many helpful hints to protect the faithful by...one being...ignore all wind-up merchants.you're good at this Nick , do you get paid for it ?
NM is genuine in his beliefs and not a WUM.that's a very precise statement, how do you know? :o
that's a very precise statement, how do you know? :o
Have been 'in discussion' with NM for many years. He is persistent and consistent and shows no signs of intending to wind people up.well he fucking winds me up, ....... and.... breathe. ;)
well he fucking winds me up, ....... and.... breathe. ;)
NM is definitely not a WUM and I've found his posts very interesting indeed, they encourage me to look things up and learn new stuff, as well as seeing things from a different view point.OH dear ! just another case of the emperors new clothes.
It's good to have someone a little bit different.
OH dear ! just another case of the emperors new clothes.
Or you're just wrong.about what ? that my grandmother shouldn't get down from the mantle piece cos she's too old to ride the range .
about what ? that my grandmother shouldn't get down from the mantle piece cos she's too old to ride the range .
Or that I shouldn't play marbles with my dads glass eye cos he needs it to look for work
It's all in the eye of the beholder. The atrocities in Egypt were because a whole nation of people were being held against their will and being treated abysmally, over many years, and without any hope what-so-ever. After a number of plagues we are told God authorised what you now complain about. I seem to remember that Moses himself was a survivor of a similar spat but at the hands of the Egyptians this time. What we know without a shadow of doubt that there were miserable and violent attitudes in those days but God saw fit to administer his direct help to a people he had future plans for...but he didn't hide the fact that he was a mighty God who doesn't argue with riff-raf. That's why these last days are a time when we shouldn't argue with him or his much loved son who died at the will of his father to show the faithful that death has been overcome. It is those who are at the mercy of the people traffickers who are being fooled as the Egyptian pharaoh tried to fool God...that I feel sorry for.I'm Going to regret this; I was aiming for the "Egypt....where else ?" thread, and this came up.... I might seem a bit picky, NM, but you're the one who tries to provide 'evidence'. Can I gently point out out that there is not a shred of evidence to confirm the presence of a massive nation of Semitic origin as a slave race in Egypt's Delta? Not a single shred....and evidence is a problem in Egypt; not a dearth, but a surfiet. You can't move for the stuff. On the other hand, most Biblical scholars, even evangelicals such as myself, are perfectly willing to concede the re-writing/editing of the Pentateuch at the time of Exile (Jeremiah) which, whilst retains its value as theology, casts great doubts on its value as history.
I'm Going to regret this; I was aiming for the "Egypt....where else ?" thread, and this came up.... I might seem a bit picky, NM, but you're the one who tries to provide 'evidence'. Can I gently point out out that there is not a shred of evidence to confirm the presence of a massive nation of Semitic origin as a slave race in Egypt's Delta? Not a single shred....and evidence is a problem in Egypt; not a dearth, but a surfiet. You can't move for the stuff. On the other hand, most Biblical scholars, even evangelicals such as myself, are perfectly willing to concede the re-writing/editing of the Pentateuch at the time of Exile (Jeremiah) which, whilst retains its value as theology, casts great doubts on its value as history.
If I am reading you correctly, Anchorman, you are saying you don't believe in the Holy Bible. That's okay. The fact that it brought together a nation that still exists todayIf you are talking about Isreal/The jewish nation, The new testament is not accepted in the majority.
If you are talking about Isreal/The jewish nation, The new testament is not accepted in the majority.
If I am reading you correctly, Anchorman, you are saying you don't believe in the Holy Bible. That's okay. The fact that it brought together a nation that still exists today and articulates accurately their many plights is a point of reference mainly for us Christians. You see, the Egyptian leaders followed a philosophy that today, many other nations follow. It is all about replacing truth and honesty with imagery and deceit so that the common man can be enslaved by the wicked behaviour of those who claim to be in authority...who do little except disguise their lack of action by clever manipulation whilst drawing a fat salary for their efforts.
Jesus Christ specializes in lifting us out of that slavery by our righteous integrity and failure to take him seriously enslaves us by the electrical/nervous responses of our own health...Its a vicious circle that only righteousness, after the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ can break, and he believed implicitly that the Holy Bible is true.
What 'philosophy' did the 'Egyptian leaders' follow, NM?
That's a new one on me.
One of the papers I submitted en rout to my degree in Egyptology was the convoluted religious thought in the first part of the New Kingdom....around the time many Biblical scholars think Israel was supposed to be in the Delta. If you can define exactly what the Egyptians belived, then your doctorate is on its' way....'cos I can categorically assure you that no-one else can.
Again, you've been reading too many spurious websites or books - real scholars will freely admit that what we DON'T know about the Egyptian religious practices is still a heck of a lot more thanh what we DO know!
Whoa! NM, you've been watching too many Hollywood movies. "Opressed"? About the only oppression we can detect in the population of Egypt was that imposed by Akhenaten when he worked his own people to death building a new capital city in jig time....we have the evidence of their bodies to prove it. Even then, no-one 'imposed' gods on them, or told them what to believe! Your average Egyptian in the street was never near a temple....they were not preached at, given doctrinal instructions or the rest. They might have had a few amulets of Bes, Taweret and the like, and a hope of Osiris, but that's your lot! Even in the police state of Akhenaten, the 'ordinary' people, seem to have stashed away their amulets of Amun, Thoth, Bes, Taweret, etc - in strict defiance of the King! So much for religious opression, then! Try reading serious literature on the subject: You might get your eyes opened to just how much GENUINE YHWH worship DID occur in Egypt.
Facts? "We know for certain"? Really? Seriously, NM? You could have saved a heck of a lot of Egyptologists a lot of trouble if you'd told us that, then. No - we DON'T know for certain, NM. We know a bit about the various cults which evolved and merged over three and a half thousand years. We know how your average temple functioned, why it was there, and who were its' main officebearers...sometimes whole dynasties of them. But oppression? Sorry; we don't know much about that in the Egyptian context. John Romer has some excellent ideas on the subject, but he'll be the first to tell you that that's all they are; ideas - the evidence for oppression is scant; that of slavery in the Greco-Roman model - the slavery known in the Bible from t5he fifth centuries BC onward - non existant. Slaves as you might understand the term simply did not exist in Egypt before the sixth century BC - long after the time of Exodus. Slaves in Egypt were not bought and sold as per Potiphar! They were military captives, their wives and families who worked the land, married native Egyptians fo9r the most part, and, as DNA clearly shows, became integrated with the local population. There were no slave settlements in the Bible - and we have the remains of 'Ramses' - Pi-Ramessee - to prove it. As I pointed out earlier, the only signs of oppression on the population which are blatently obvious were inflicted by Amenhotep IV/Akhenaten in his haste to construct an entirely new city. That, NM, is called 'evidence'. Do you wish links to the excavations - some of which are ongoing?
I acknowledge that your evidence is the hard-earned, intellectually based, scholarly stance...but I also know that a pharaoh, to protect his dynasty, will weave oppression into his networking...just as every tyrant does and there is much evidence of that. You see you don't order the slaying of all infants under the age of three, say, unless you have a vicious and brutal army to carry out your word, with no fear of repercussions. You see...the priests tell the people that this godly pharoah has that right, to appease the gods of whom he is brother or divine ruler of, and with all those who rally around that ruler showing him explicit obedience to, then the scene is set for a type of oppressive rulership built upon lies and deceit...something many bullies and tyrants follow today.
I acknowledge that your evidence is the hard-earned, intellectually based, scholarly stance...but I also know that a pharaoh, to protect his dynasty, will weave oppression into his networking...just as every tyrant does and there is much evidence of that. You see you don't order the slaying of all infants under the age of three, say, unless you have a vicious and brutal army to carry out your word, with no fear of repercussions. You see...the priests tell the people that this godly pharoah has that right, to appease the gods of whom he is brother or divine ruler of, and with all those who rally around that ruler showing him explicit obedience to, then the scene is set for a type of oppressive rulership built upon lies and deceit...something many bullies and tyrants follow today.
I acknowledge that your evidence is the hard-earned, intellectually based, scholarly stance...but I also know that a pharaoh, to protect his dynasty, will weave oppression into his networking...just as every tyrant does and there is much evidence of that. You see you don't order the slaying of all infants under the age of three, say, unless you have a vicious and brutal army to carry out your word, with no fear of repercussions. You see...the priests tell the people that this godly pharoah has that right, to appease the gods of whom he is brother or divine ruler of, and with all those who rally around that ruler showing him explicit obedience to, then the scene is set for a type of oppressive rulership built upon lies and deceit...something many bullies and tyrants follow today.
You 'know a pharaoh'?.....and there you have it,.
The term 'Pharaoh' = "per-aa" - only came up under the female king Hatshepsut....AFTER the so-called incident with Joseph....before that, there was no such term - therefore the Pentateuch - or thiose who edited it - s simply historically wrong. The next time we see it is over SIX CENTURIES later...in the twenty-first dynasty, at the time of the relatively insignificant Siamun.
In other words, NM, the Egyptians themselves never used the term.
It only became part of royal titulary - and therefore known internationally - around two centuries later....the mid seventh century BC.
Therefore the Pentateuch could not, as it calaims, havew been written by Moses - and unaltered.
So much for 'accurate'; then.
And speaking of 'accurate'; can you provide any real, accurate information on oppression and slavery in Egypt by native Egyptians which stands up in archaeology?
Can you provide any evidence of a slave population in the Delta who buuilt two cities?
Any evidence whatsoever?
In Jesus telling us how to lift ourselves out of oppression we can easily learn the mechanics that oppression uses...and the Egyptians certainly used it. You don't get a rag-tag body of people to build pyramids...you do it by enforcement and the pharaohs, no matter what they called themselves, didn't do it through using good-will.
The trick is to get people to follow a lie...tell them they are duty bound to do what is required of them to appease the gods, and the engine behind it all is the priest-hood that pretends to speak the same language as the common people whilst having the ear of the hierarchy. A scam of the nastiest kind because the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. It is a style of oppression which is found in all groups of bullying, from the Egyptians to Hitler, and beyond...but here is a little note for your intellectual note-book...their is a direct analogy between the cancer-cell and this bullying style of government...and we, as yet, are clueless about either. It is all contained within the science...Re: The Electric/Spiritual Universe of Jesus Christ.
In Jesus telling us how to lift ourselves out of oppression we can easily learn the mechanics that oppression uses...and the Egyptians certainly used it. You don't get a rag-tag body of people to build pyramids...you do it by enforcement and the pharaohs, no matter what they called themselves, didn't do it through using good-will.
The trick is to get people to follow a lie...tell them they are duty bound to do what is required of them to appease the gods, and the engine behind it all is the priest-hood that pretends to speak the same language as the common people whilst having the ear of the hierarchy. A scam of the nastiest kind because the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. It is a style of oppression which is found in all groups of bullying, from the Egyptians to Hitler, and beyond...but here is a little note for your intellectual note-book...their is a direct analogy between the cancer-cell and this bullying style of government...and we, as yet, are clueless about either. It is all contained within the science...Re: The Electric/Spiritual Universe of Jesus Christ.
For crying out loud, NM, where's your EVIDENCE?
Do you rteally want me to post links to the autopsy reports on the burials of the 'pyramid village' of Khufu?
Reports which show a higher standard of health care, better diet, longer lifrspan, richer grave goods, etc, than those NOT employed in construction?
Do you want me to post links to the earliest papyrus ever found (so far) which gives accounts of construction methods....written by one of the project workers?
Just saying "must have oppressed' is NOT - repeat NOT - evidence of oppression. If you knew anything about the fourth dynasty of Egypt in context, and the archaeology of Giza, Saqqara, Abu Gurob, etc, you would realise how spurious your assertions are.
Assertions, NM, are NOT evidence.
Giving your last post the credit it is due I have done a little research on the points you make. Apparently pharaoh is just another word for king…in use since 1400BC…This king owned all the land in Egypt because his dynasty, is his, by virtue of his special relationship with his gods, and religion, according to the dictates of these gods, was sponsored by the priest-hood…just as I maintained. I see little difference between the other kingdoms of ancient times, where ritual, sacrifices, and signs, ruled the behaviour of the common people…all built upon lies. One man doesn’t own all the land of the people nor does he represent the gods. No…what happens is that the many priests and those who rake huge benefits out of this scam see themselves as the true kings and make the people honour and obey the puppet king, pretending that they too, must follow the king’s dictates, when, in reality, it is their own council that dictates the laws for their own greedy benefit. This is oppression.
Jesus Christ understood this oppression knowing that peoples lives were being snatched away from them via this trickery, but rather than leave a vacuum, he offered the more caring people a spiritual way of organisation, thus beating this oppression…A righteous way that still stands firm today.
NickMarks has a laboratory. He mentioned it once.
My advice to you all is to accept that the universe is an electrical phenomena and we are electrical beings that, in the first instance, respond to electrical laws, and the finest of these laws are contained within the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...regardless of what intellectuals tell you.
Robbie/Anchorman/Rhiannon...
When you are talking kings you are talking bullies, oppressors, systems built out of survival of the nastiest. Every government uses the same tactics to some degree or other. So, listen and learn...
Jesus Christ taught us what oppression truly is. It is the deliberate and wilful dismantling of of our human inner strength, our nervous stamina...so that people can be herded rather than in a solid and healthy, individual way. Now, according to Jesus Christ this leads to the collapse of our spirit, the collapse of our health, and the collapse of our resistance against evil's campaign to dominate us...and all the problems in the world, today, stem from this type of oppression...and it's getting far worse.
My advice to you all is to accept that the universe is an electrical phenomena and we are electrical beings that, in the first instance, respond to electrical laws, and the finest of these laws are contained within the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...regardless of what intellectuals tell you.
I can't see how accepting your peculiar take on science is going to be instrumental in bringing down tyrants and oppressors. Apart from which there is no description of electricity in the Bible. For a proper formulation we need Maxwell's Equations of electromagnetism.
Robbie/Anchorman/Rhiannon...
When you are talking kings you are talking bullies, oppressors, systems built out of survival of the nastiest. Every government uses the same tactics to some degree or other. So, listen and learn...
Jesus Christ taught us what oppression truly is. It is the deliberate and wilful dismantling of of our human inner strength, our nervous stamina...so that people can be herded rather than in a solid and healthy, individual way. Now, according to Jesus Christ this leads to the collapse of our spirit, the collapse of our health, and the collapse of our resistance against evil's campaign to dominate us...and all the problems in the world, today, stem from this type of oppression...and it's getting far worse.
My advice to you all is to accept that the universe is an electrical phenomena and we are electrical beings that, in the first instance, respond to electrical laws, and the finest of these laws are contained within the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...regardless of what intellectuals tell you.
torridon/Anchorman/Maeght...
You see...the problem for me is in explaining that everything that occurs in the universe is, in the first instance, electrical...
No it isn't. Electricity is not fundamental. Space, time, gravity and the fundamental forces of nature, such as electromagnetism, all emerge from something more profound - quantum fields.
torridon/Anchorman/Maeght...
You see...the problem for me is in explaining that everything that occurs in the universe is, in the first instance, electrical. That means that every activity is fired by a free electric energy which only Jesus Christ fully understands and which tells us plainly that all people fall into one of two categories...One of those categories requires us to live honest and trustworthy lives...the other demands that, hiding behind the false imagery of evil, we can live a life of enormous benefit at the expense of the innocent...and there is a direct analogy with this style of living which compares with the cancer-cell which genetically turns on surrounding cells to squeeze out their electric stamina, wildly, and uncontrollably, with no regard for the normal genetic good-order, that keeps our health in check.
So...point one...taking in the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ means that we are attaching ourselves to a wonderful, righteous science that can unravel all the genetic damage that has gone on before your repentance.
The problem for you isn't about explaining stuff - its that you don't know what you are on about!
Of course I don't know exactly what I'm on about...
What I can tell you though is that it is an electric universe and all activity within it is electrically inspired....even that flash of inspiration that drives you to condemn me.
My job, as I see it, is to show you how that low charge, electric force, that you have just wasted could be harnessed and built upon to give you a whole righteous spirit that can last you for all eternity, providing you follow the refined electric laws Jesus taught us about...
and you have a promise from the owner of all those electric laws and who refined them all into righteous, spiritual laws...follow Jesus Christ accurately else run the gauntlet with the fiery lake of sulphur, where only your past, righteous, behaviour, will do you any credit...up to a point.
It's all in the Holy Bible.
Oh Maeght...not even your very best scientists can dispute the 'electric universe'. Everything is energy, electric energy, or if you prefer the refined version of Jesus Christ and Almighty God...everything is spiritual energy....an indestructible, superabundant, pure material, with the power to drift around space building up into huge, powerful, galaxy sized, dense fields...or clouds, with the predisposition to be able to erupt into the universe we live in...and as we know...it did erupt and all electric laws that exist today were carved into the properties appertaining to that eruption...including the living-cell and, more importantly, today, the cancer-cell. Still...we have to be clever enough to be able to read the science, but it all begins within the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...so, perhaps, that is the best place to start...and a place that encourages mental keenness, and agility of mind, because we have to get our heads around some pretty amazing stuff.
Jesus had nothing to say on science.
torridon/Anchorman/Maeght...
You see...the problem for me is in explaining that everything that occurs in the universe is, in the first instance, electrical. That means that every activity is fired by a free electric energy which only Jesus Christ fully understands and which tells us plainly that all people fall into one of two categories...One of those categories requires us to live honest and trustworthy lives...the other demands that, hiding behind the false imagery of evil, we can live a life of enormous benefit at the expense of the innocent...and there is a direct analogy with this style of living which compares with the cancer-cell which genetically turns on surrounding cells to squeeze out their electric stamina, wildly, and uncontrollably, with no regard for the normal genetic good-order, that keeps our health in check.
So...point one...taking in the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ means that we are attaching ourselves to a wonderful, righteous science that can unravel all the genetic damage that has gone on before your repentance.
torridon/Anchorman/Maeght...
You see...the problem for me is in explaining that everything that occurs in the universe is, in the first instance, electrical. That means that every activity is fired by a free electric energy which only Jesus Christ fully understands and which tells us plainly that all people fall into one of two categories...One of those categories requires us to live honest and trustworthy lives...the other demands that, hiding behind the false imagery of evil, we can live a life of enormous benefit at the expense of the innocent...and there is a direct analogy with this style of living which compares with the cancer-cell which genetically turns on surrounding cells to squeeze out their electric stamina, wildly, and uncontrollably, with no regard for the normal genetic good-order, that keeps our health in check.
So...point one...taking in the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ means that we are attaching ourselves to a wonderful, righteous science that can unravel all the genetic damage that has gone on before your repentance.
Wrong again Maeght...Jesus said, I am the way, the truth and the life...those that follow me will never die...which is much the same as saying...his teaching is a science and those that follow his science will obey special laws that are working his science to the max...another way of saying this self same thing is that Jesus Christ is God's 'word' made flesh.
God's 'word' is the embodiment of a very deep and wonderful science...The Science of Righteousness.
Anchorman/Maeght...
Anchorman
Have you ever wondered why all kings make themselves the true representative of the god that is inflicted upon the people. It is because their god is in fact the priests interpretation of what the people should be doing and usually involves slavery and oppression. You can't have masses of wealth whilst those earning that wealth are starving or living at the bottom end of the pile, without oppression being involved. The fact that it has fooled you just shows how easy others have been fooled by it as well...but here is the nub of it all...Jesus Christ showed us that evil always uses the same pattern of oppression and that pattern ensures that the vast majority live and die under an oppressive climate...a climate that guarantees ill-health and genetic deformities, whether you can see it or not. Remember the slaves, the common people and the peasants have no one to convey their distress for them...only the kings and their priests have a voice.
Maeght
You see Maeght...if you studied the 'word' of God...how he owns everything, how he is active in everything, how nothing happens without his consent, how all the stars in the universe are known, numbered and made by him (not one is missing)...then you realise that Almighty God is a wonderful scientist of the highest order, and Jesus delivered the bare essentials of God's science to help us through every and any dilemma.
This is what led me to the simple scientific fact that everything is energy...a wonderful, dynamic energy, which, besides being owned by God, and beside God being the voice of all that energy, that Almighty God, and now Jesus Christ are spiritually attached to that energy in a wonderful way that delivers repair, resurrection, and eternal life, to those who follow that science accurately, righteously, and meekly...in the way Jesus Christ showed us...Now...the wonderful thing about a science is this...it cannot be broken, it cannot be deceived...and no matter how many people disagree with that science it will still work for those who follow it.
Anchorman/Maeght...
Anchorman
Have you ever wondered why all kings make themselves the true representative of the god that is inflicted upon the people. It is because their god is in fact the priests interpretation of what the people should be doing and usually involves slavery and oppression. You can't have masses of wealth whilst those earning that wealth are starving or living at the bottom end of the pile, without oppression being involved. The fact that it has fooled you just shows how easy others have been fooled by it as well...but here is the nub of it all...Jesus Christ showed us that evil always uses the same pattern of oppression and that pattern ensures that the vast majority live and die under an oppressive climate...a climate that guarantees ill-health and genetic deformities, whether you can see it or not. Remember the slaves, the common people and the peasants have no one to convey their distress for them...only the kings and their priests have a voice.
Maeght
You see Maeght...if you studied the 'word' of God...how he owns everything, how he is active in everything, how nothing happens without his consent, how all the stars in the universe are known, numbered and made by him (not one is missing)...then you realise that Almighty God is a wonderful scientist of the highest order, and Jesus delivered the bare essentials of God's science to help us through every and any dilemma.
This is what led me to the simple scientific fact that everything is energy...a wonderful, dynamic energy, which, besides being owned by God, and beside God being the voice of all that energy, that Almighty God, and now Jesus Christ are spiritually attached to that energy in a wonderful way that delivers repair, resurrection, and eternal life, to those who follow that science accurately, righteously, and meekly...in the way Jesus Christ showed us...Now...the wonderful thing about a science is this...it cannot be broken, it cannot be deceived...and no matter how many people disagree with that science it will still work for those who follow it.
"Have you ever wondered".....
NM, wondering is fine.
I might wonder what would happen if Donald Trump had sex with a walrus and gave birth to a chicken with attitude.
It serves no purpose.
You can assert as much as you wish....but without evidence to back your assertions, the assertions are less than hot air.
Again; you provide not a shred of evidence to back your assertion.
Evidence, NM, is something we can examine in the light of science, archaeology, epigraphy -whatever.
You have provided NO evidence for your conclusions regarding the convoluted Egyptian religious system...in fact I would contend that your assertions are simply wrong....those were the self same assertions made by pyramidiots such as Smythe, Smith and the false prophet Russell.
I will say this once more - please try to provide actual EVIDENCE for oppression in Ancient Egypt by Egyptian kings.
Please provide EVIDENCE for your theories regarding the Egyptian kingship and religio-political thought and structure...and here's a clue: it's a lot more complex than your assertion.
And finally;
I trust that you have re-researched your less-than accurate research and found out that 'Pharaoh' does not mean king, nor has ever meant king?
Untill you doe these three things, the rest of your theories cannot be examined...because they are not theories, but groundless assertion.
You see, this is where you are going wrong torridon. Your accepting what science tells you without asking any questions...The Holy Bible can help you...There are two dimensions to our universe...and it is the clashing of a wonderful, free, dynamic energy, in the clutches of these two dimensions that give us gravity, electromagnetic force, and all nuclear forces...the key one of these being the higgs-field....but that is another story...I'll explain it all one day.
Wrong again Maeght...Jesus said, I am the way, the truth and the life...those that follow me will never die...which is much the same as saying...his teaching is a science and those that follow his science will obey special laws that are working his science to the max...another way of saying this self same thing is that Jesus Christ is God's 'word' made flesh.
God's 'word' is the embodiment of a very deep and wonderful science...The Science of Righteousness.
At first glance, it might appear simple enough to make a translation. Assuming
that we ‘know Greek’ or, in other words, have studied its grammar, syntax and
vocabulary to such an extent that we do not get lost when confronted with a
simple Greek sentence, we may suppose that we can proceed directly to the
New Testament perhaps to the Gospel of John -- and then, making use of the
rules we have learned and the dictionary we have acquired, ‘render’ it into
English. Sometimes, to be sure, such is almost the case. ‘In the beginning was
the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.’ If we refrain
from asking questions about the meaning of ‘beginning’, ‘Word’ and ‘God’, we
may be able to believe that we have an adequate translation. But there is still
the difficult word ‘and’. What function does it perform in the sentence? And
have we translated correctly when we place the three clauses in a
straightforward sequence like the one just given? Or should the verse read thus?
--
"In the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God".
Apart from these questions, there is of course the problem of the meanings of
the words. How do we determine what the words mean? Do we look them up in
a simple pocket lexicon which may tell us that ‘logos’ means only ‘word’? Do
we go on to a larger dictionary which will inform us that ‘logos’ has a wide
range of meanings? And, if we go on, how do we tell which meaning or
meanings was or were intended by the author or understood by his readers,
early or late?
It seems fairly likely that what the author intended can best be understood by
looking at the immediate context of the passage we are translating. If we look at
the context of this verse in John, we find that the subject of discussion seems to
change from Word through Life to Light, and that nothing more is directly
stated about the Word until we reach the sentence which says that ‘the Word
became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory.’ But a ‘word’
which ‘became flesh’ is not the kind of word which is known in ordinary
English usage. How, then, are we to translate ‘logos’? Should we run the risk of
ambiguity by simply calling it ‘Word’ (with a capital letter, since ‘the Word of
God’) -- or should we venture into the equally risky area of paraphrase?
Dicky Underpants...
Oh Dick...You do make things hard for yourself. The message from the Holy Bible is that we are learning a science through its many expressions...a spiritual science extracted and refined from the all electric nature of the universe.
In the beginning was the 'word'...this, God's word, is the scientific code behind righteousness. It starts by saying, everything is electrical...All atomic power certainly is...All gravitational power certainly is. All electromagnetic force certainly is...Every behaviour pattern of every living-cell certainly is, which ultimately means that Almighty God, himself, is the living voice for all that electric energy, plus he is the living embodiment of all that energy, as well, wherever it is found in the universe....hence the 'word' was with God, and the 'word' was God'...and here is the wonderful part...the 'word' of God is the light of the world...In other words...the 'word' of God is an all knowing science which offers every cure for every dilemma known to man...Jesus Christ is that 'word' made flesh...or...he is living a science which is of vital importance to each and everyone of us.
I could go on but a step at a time is perhaps best.
It starts by saying, everything is electrical.Not sure what you mean by "It" here. Perhaps you're referring to what you call "the scientific code behind righteousness" - whatever that means. None of us here, I'm sure know what that means, and neither do you - it's just a phrase you've made up.
Anchorman/Dicky Underpants...Eh? "Niether of us wants saving...."?
Clearly, neither of you want saving then, but what I am trying to stress is that Jesus Christ has a wonderful science to back him up...and if we don't grasp that science soon then the message in Revelation will come and go and only those who have been deemed righteous enough, will be left. We are told that the event will impact upon us all, all at the same time...in the twinkling of an eye, and the science, and events occurring around the world today, are stating clearly that we are living in those 'last days.'
It is becoming obvious to me that I can't save anyone, but Jesus Christ can...it is through the refined 'word' of Almighty God which takes the electrical nature of the whole universe and redefines it as God's spiritual universe controlled by special righteous laws. You see...to attach ourselves to that righteous code we need to become the sort of person Jesus was and describes to us because we are dealing with a very sensitive and delicate energy source that can deliver repair, resurrection and everlasting life, whilst those who can't attach themselves to his righteous word will be, spiritually, snatched into the fiery lake of sulphur, as it is centrifugally hurled away from this planet, and I'm afraid to say will become the eternal resting place for all those who have defied Jesus Christ's loving word...and I wouldn't wish that on anyone...It's all in the Holy Bible.
Eh? "Niether of us wants saving...."?
FU is athiest; I respect tha though don't share is POV; I, on the other hand, NM, accepted Christ as my Lord, God, Saviour and King more than forty years ago, and have known Him in my life every moment since then.
And, yes, I have studied the Scriptures; I must say that your take on salvation has a uniqueness which is baffling.
You throw in complex words like science, electricity, dynamism, etc, which are not in Scripture; you use words such as 'righteousness', 'saved', etc, which are, in ways unknown to any theology of which I'm aware.
You fail to provide any evidence for your asssertions, citing the Bible as evidence. Any apologist worth his salt will tell you that's arrant drivel: The Bible is not evidence for the Bible!
There IS ample evidence from extra-Biblical sources from the tenth century BC onwards, NM - evidence I've never yet seen you cite. Try researching it.
You might like to study the origins and authorship of Revelation, and apocalyptic literature in general from the previous two and a half centuries of Judaism.
This does not negate Revelation as theology: I've preached on it several times, and will do so again; it does, however, mean that we should treat it in context and with caution.
You, it appears, do niether.
"Follow Jesus Christ accurately and you will be saved"? I've never yet seen that Scripture. Oh, and, if you use an ACCURATE translation, you will, of course, note the triune nature of God revealed in Scripture. "God and Jesus Christ...." is not a concep I,or many other Christians, recognise.
You make a good point Anchorman...how can you possibly be following him accurately when the Holy Bible, states clearly, that Jesus is the son of God and refers over and over again that he and Almighty God are different beings with identical beliefs...which means they are both in total harmony with the same science...a science we all need if we are to be saved. You also missed the Biblical statement when Jesus said...Those that follow me will never die...John 11:26...and many other places as well.
In a nutshell...it is an electric/spiritual universe and if we treat our own spirit with righteous respect, in the way Jesus taught us, we too will gain resurrection when our body fails...rebirth into a new vessel...and the same science that says this says that the same spiritual laws will repair us and even guide our health towards everlasting life. You see, God's spiritual waters...is an invisible, electric property, that is all around us all of the time and which we can attach ourselves to by prayerful and righteous respect towards our Deity...It is an indestructible energy which can reach parts that other nutrients can't reach...even soothing and calming our genetic health, which the world is quick to abuse, confound and corrupt, wilfully and spitefully.
NM:
Instead of referring you to Koine Greek, reliable interliears, etc, can I point out that, in the dim and distant past,I attended Uni.
I was taught New Testament Greek by a Greek professor - a native Greek speaker who had himself studied the three early forms of Greek, the eyetemology of ancient Greek, its origins, character and usage.
If he was entirely happy with the asignation of a Triune nature of God, then I'm not going to argue with him.
It was, as they say, literally, all Greek to him.
I will let you into a little secret Anchorman...The Holy Bible is written in a universal language which follows the code of righteousness...The best and only way to bring alive the teaching of Jesus Christ. It is a language that intellectuals have great difficulty with but it is also a language that anyone, in the entire world can understand because it reaches into our hearts, our souls and every aspect of our existence because it soothes and calms every genetic misbehaviour...as it must to offer us repair, resurrection and, ultimately, everlasting life. We just have to tune in, righteously.
I will let YOU into a little secret, NM:
The Scriptures were writtwen in three languages:
"Classic" Hebrew
Armaic
Anfd Greek.
The latter - Greek, was the medium in which both the Septuagint - the Old Testament - was transcribed in Alexandria, Egypt, and the New Testament, was written, in Koine Greek.
That, NM, is called, "fact".
It is also called "accurate", "scientific" - and definative.
The translations, transliterations, interlinears, etc - well, the ones accepted by real scholars, as opposed to the tripe of the NWT, anyway - are freely available, online and offline.
Are you disagreeing with two and a ahalf millenia of scholarship, archaeology, history, translation and transliteration?
On what basis, please?
You start.
Oh you tease, you !?!?!?!?
That's alright Nicholas.
I don't criticise, each to their own, but your insinuations (I can't think of a betteer word right now), that some people are not 'saved' because they do not see things as you do is rather arrogant, even if you don't mean it that way.
I have read all your posts Nicholas and taken in the gist of what you've said but my point, in previous post, was that you are talking to some genuine Christians and appear to be saying that their 'interpretation' of Christianity is wrong and yours right. Now would Jesus do that or would He look into the heart of each person and 'assess' them accordingly?
Personally I do not think Christ will reject me because I have 'got' some things wrong; same goes for others here, e.g. Anchorman, who is a committed Christian.
You have undoubtedly got things wrong! We all do.
However I bow out of this conversation, have nothing to add and wish you all the best.
..it is coming and observers are saying that this rogue celestial system is already here.Whatever it is they say that they are "observing"...its not what you want it to be.
trippymonkey/torridon...
The Holy Bible, and in particular Revelation, tells us of an impending danger that will face us all. It is of the size and dimension of such proportions that God said of it that there would be no survivors if he didn't get involved...but because of the faithful, he will get involved. We haven't got time to be atheist...it is coming and observers are saying that this rogue celestial system is already here. The point neither of you are considering is that every single one of us has a spirit that could be resurrected...but, even if it can't be, it would just roam around the ether until it is freed by righteous consideration...Deciding you don't want to be part of it, doesn't hold up...if you can't repent, the natural consequences of this disaster, which is two pronged since Satan has devised his pincer-movement to coincide with this celestial event, will spiritually snatch those with no righteous justification to remain here, out into space...in the twinkling of an eye...and it will be too late to say to yourself, I ought to have been kinder...and listened...or, not interpreted a honest source of warning, based upon Biblical truth, as hostile.
My advice would be...repent and start reading about Jesus Christ so that you may be exonerated from all of your sins which brought all our genetic chaos into the world.
Lurid fanciful nonsense with no basis in reality. Whatever it is that you've been smoking, perhaps you should consider giving it up.
NM: this is trash.
Simply fanciful nonsense which deviates so far from any Christian and even quasi-Christian theology that, far from attracticting anyone to Christ, it detracts from the cause of Christ.
If you follow Christ - accurately, of course - you will, of course be a member of a Christian church - or even a quasiChristian group such as the JWs.
Can I please suggest you consult the minister/pastor/elder of yor church, who, if you follow Christ - accurately - you should accept as ordained by God?
I'm sure they will be able to correct your blatent misunderstandings.
Whatever it is they say that they are "observing"...its not what you want it to be.
Maybe you should look for yourself to confirm it?
You must read Revelation again Anchorman...It all hinges upon the last trumpet...God's Judgement...the fiery lake of sulphur...and the global chaos that would leave no one saved without Jesus Christ's teaching. Following Jesus is following his science...and nothing I say can influence that.
A new day requires new tactics torry...It is an electric universe and all those wild electric laws have been harnessed and refined into righteous spiritual laws so that those who have an interest in good behaviour by everyone, for everyone, can inherit a universe driven by those righteous spiritual laws. Refusing to participate carries its own penalties, driven by those wild electric laws.
Gravity has teased scientists for many years but here is the electric universe version...as I see it...and it is an essential part of making sense of how the true spiritual universe works.
Gravity is an imploding force triggered by the disturbances created between this twin dimensional universe. These dimensions work at two different speeds one is expanding at the speeds recorded by science, which is very fast, achieving speeds of upto the speed of light...this is the dimension we live in...cushioned from the pre-big-bang universe that isn't moving at all...it is the static dimension...where once a static raw material, God's dynamic energy, just drifted around, building up into huge, dense clouds. Wherever there was once a cloud now stands a galaxy...relatively speaking. We don't fully realise this high-speed state we are in because the entire Milky Way is doing it too, but it is all contained within the remnant of that original, pre-big-bang cloud...which is now stars and atoms and the remains of that original cloud they are all made from. Warp that static dimension with mass and we get gravity and much more besides...especially a deeper and more meaningful understanding of our universe, and of God's 'word'...the science of righteousness.
Phew...I needed that.
....seen the signs in the skies......Which ones?
Gravity has teased scientists for many years but here is the electric universe version...as I see it...and it is an essential part of making sense of how the true spiritual universe works.
Anybody not just you Nick, anybody that thinks the bible proves the bible has a problem and if you happen to be one of those people it wouldn't be a bad idea to go and see if you can find some kind of helpful advice somewhere about your problem.
Kind regards to you Nick, ippy.
That would indeed be a problem, ippy, if it were merely that Nick thinks the Bible proves the Bible. In fact, what he rambles on about has only the slightest tangential reference to the Bible - just the few texts (in a dodgy translation) that have caught his interest. The rest is fantasy piled upon fantasy, given justification in his own eyes by throwing in irrelevant references to 'science' and garbled ideas culled from the more recherche areas of physics - about which he understands bugger all - and stirred into a turgid soup of meaningless waffle.
Anchorman/ippy/Dicky/Seb/torri...
As I have said...It is perhaps wise to let you all swallow a little water, so that you find out for yourselves about the 'great tribulations' which are fast approaching. I'm surprised Anchorman that you deride Jesus when you ridicule his words about looking into the heavens for signs of these terrible times, hard to deal with, but, of course, you are believing in your pastors rather than the accurate teaching of Jesus....These pastors are probably the ones who are an offshoot of Constantine's warped Christianity, who have many clergy who have sinned over and over...will tell you that everyone, regardless, are all going to Heaven...and have various national scandals of a scurrilous nature impregnated into their secret doctrines...These ones won't be going anywhere except the fiery lake of sulphur. You attack me for going directly to Jesus Christ for my studies yet Jesus applauds us for doing just that stating that we, individually, must go to Jesus in his words, 'No one comes to the father, except through me (Jesus Christ)'...and there is no caveat that says that those responsible for witch-hunts, child molestation, or savage distortion of God's accurate 'word' will be going to Heaven. I have justified my position by showing how God's science works, unifying all aspects of that fundamental science with modern, scientific, data, but, as far as the scientific community are concerned, they have been unsuccessful...My success in this area is because I took the Holy Bible literally...realising that when God said his knowledge far exceeds ours he is saying he is the owner of all scientific knowledge, far in advance of our own, and gives us many clues through his 'word made flesh'...but of course...by you amalgamating these two witnesses of righteousness, against their expressed teaching, you have said that the other of them doesn't exist and that is pretty mean when you realise that the one bears witness of the other, and vice versa. Read the 'word' and not the version that has been sabotaged...If you require further proof on this point see what Jesus says to the seven churches, in the opening chapters of Revelation,...He says to each of them...go back to the original teaching, the teaching he taught, else some risk being abandoned.
ps...I have just had notification from a youtube channel... The Two Preachers ...who are documenting many of the great tribulations that are now happening worldwide...you may care to look....I'm not involved with them in any way...other than Jesus Christ, of course. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypYurOP3O-Y&feature=push-u-sub&attr_tag=4gtNOeoi-v1yHQnZ-6
No fan of Constantine, NM, try afain.
As for taking anything away from Chhrist?
Far from it...That would be the Jesus who will come "like a thief in the night' when 'no-one knows the day or the hour'?
The Jesus who commanded His followers to preach the Gospel, not invent pseudoscientific drivel whidh shames it?
The Jesus who chose Paul - the Paul who asked those who believe to submit to thr correction of the elders in the church?
Are yoy submitting to the discipline of the elders in your church - fellowship or whatever? Because that, NM, is a Biblical injunction. Failure to do so is failing to follow the "accurate teaching" of Scripture.
And not a reference to dynamic accurate gravitational electric righteousness, either.
And all of this is exclusive ONLY to Christianity?
Anchorman…(pseudoscientific drivel, hmmmm)
If a science is Biblically driven, which mine is, then Almighty God and Jesus Christ’s righteous teaching is stamped all over it…an omnipotent God must have an omnipotent science to support him. The key principle of that science is that it must carry and support the accurate word of Jesus Christ…which, of course, I claim this science does.
Here is its first principle, gleaned from the Holy Bible…That the universe is composed of two key dimensions…ours and God’s. To reach into that primary dimension of God’s we must follow specific laws as taught to us by Jesus. Jesus wasn’t talking into the air, he was praying into the hidden dimension that is all around us all of the time. Whoever owns that dimension owns the universe because to know of its existence is paramount in understanding Almighty God’s and Jesus Christ’s ‘word’. Do you pray into the air Anchorman, or do you use righteousness and meekness and prayerful respect for our Deity to speak with the Holy resident of that hidden dimension??
It is a small step from this to realise that if there are two dimensions to the universe, how they got there, and how they influence each other, and how all energy is a free energy that is born from the existence of those two dimensions…especially if we put a superabundant energy, God’s Mighty Power, into the mix, an invisible, raw material that has always been, and always will be.
Out for most of the day.
And all of this is exclusive ONLY to Christianity?
If a science is Biblically driven, which mine is, then ...
And all of this is exclusive ONLY to Christianity?
Well yes trippy...because Jesus taught us about its mechanics...how we can attach ourselves to this indestructible energy...and how to use his righteous teaching to repair ourselves, resurrect ourselves and how ultimately, we will be saved from all threats, by it, eventually leading us to the same genetic perfection Jesus had, where death is no longer a threat...but first we've got to get through the great tribulations, and God's Judgement...only accessible by sincere repentance.
NM: 'Jesus wasn’t talking into the air, he was praying into the hidden dimension that is all around us all of the time. Whoever owns that dimension owns the universe because to know of its existence is paramount in understanding Almighty God’s and Jesus Christ’s ‘word’. Do you pray into the air Anchorman, or do you use righteousness and meekness and prayerful respect for our Deity to speak with the Holy resident of that hidden dimension??'
Can't help feeling you've gone a bit far here Nick, somewhat insulting towards a fellow Christian.
No.
Couldn't help noticing this part of your post Rob, where you have conveyed the following as though you're stating facts:
'Jesus wasn't talking into the air, he was praying into the hidden dimension that is all around us all of the time. Whoever owns that dimension owns the universe because to know of its existence is paramount in understanding Almighty God’s and Jesus Christ’s ‘word’.
Come on Rob, you can't know this any more than Nick knows the stuff he keeps on coming out with, I dare say for some reason you believe it? But there's a gulf between believing and knowing something as an evidenced based fact.
But then, yes, there was a lot of research going on into quantum psychics, (unknown dimensions and all of that), during the bronze age when it was likely someone called Jesus could have been around.
Regards ippy
Anchorman…(pseudoscientific drivel, hmmmm)
He's not alone. I fell asleep for a while after my last but one post & on waking decided to google 'Electric/Spiritual Universe'. There's no end of stuff like Nicholas spouts, even Icke is in on it in some respects. There's also someone called Zzenn who is an 'Unspiritualist', he debunks some theories and espouses others. Got headache now!
No, Robbie was quoting Nick (middle of his post 1414). Robbie's views are altogether more sane.
No Ippy I quoted Nicholas directly; it was his attitude rather than what was said precisely, as if he had the right to talk down to Anchorman because of his (Nick's) belief in his own superior knowledge. He's the same with anyone else but on that occasion his post was a direct response to Anchor's. It struck me as arrogant - like giving instruction.
You said:- "Anyway I'm off now to have my superabundant righteously electrical magnetic dinner with gravity and all of the trimmings."
Hope you enjoyed and didn't spill any of the gravity down your shirt front!
Robbie/ippy/torridon/Dicky/Anchorman...
Its the twin dimensional universe you need to get upset about, not me, because it will dictate all our fates. The accurate teaching of Jesus Christ is all we need follow if we want the fruits he offers...which are, repair, resurrection and everlasting life...because when we get the science right we get the benefits of that science right.
We have established that clashes between these two dimensions created gravity and the higgs fields and all nuclear properties. Everywhere there is a friction-point between these two dimensional states there is an imploding portal and the portal that I am most concerned, as far as humanity is concerned, is the portal that lies within the healthy living-cell, because without proper care and attention, it can turn nasty and preventing it turning nasty should be our number one concern...and unless we follow Jesus Christ accurately we instigate the triggers that causes our own living-cells to misbehave, sometimes in the most appalling ways. So, you see, as objectionable as you find my comments, you have got to comply with them if you want what many Christians have died for.
Though you might ridicule, CERN, and other authoritative bodies, have their own harmful take on these matters, which is costing trillions of pounds/dollars and which will induce God's wrath much quicker than is neccessary.
"....the accurate teachings of Jesus Christ".
Amen!
So, when are you going to be accurate about His teaching, NM?
Oh, and, by the way...as per Scripture, have you submitted yourself to your elder/pastor/minister for instruction, yet?
Robbie/ippy/torridon/Dicky/Anchorman...
Its the twin dimensional universe you need to get upset about, not me, because it will dictate all our fates. The accurate teaching of Jesus Christ is all we need follow if we want the fruits he offers...which are, repair, resurrection and everlasting life...because when we get the science right we get the benefits of that science right.
We have established that clashes between these two dimensions created gravity and the higgs fields and all nuclear properties. Everywhere there is a friction-point between these two dimensional states there is an imploding portal and the portal that I am most concerned, as far as humanity is concerned, is the portal that lies within the healthy living-cell, because without proper care and attention, it can turn nasty and preventing it turning nasty should be our number one concern...and unless we follow Jesus Christ accurately we instigate the triggers that causes our own living-cells to misbehave, sometimes in the most appalling ways. So, you see, as objectionable as you find my comments, you have got to comply with them if you want what many Christians have died for.
Though you might ridicule, CERN, and other authoritative bodies, have their own harmful take on these matters, which is costing trillions of pounds/dollars and which will induce God's wrath much quicker than is neccessary.
Actually the only thing that has been established is that the Jesus bloke you speak of probably did exist, having said that there has never been or is there likely to be any evidence that he was any kind of a supernatural being and there's no evidence of any kind for the supernatural happenings attributed to him, he was probably just a good well meaning Jew, nothing unusual about him.
The things like coming back from the dead, walking on water, burning bushes, talking snakes, feeding the 5000, Adam's rib, oh yes, Adam's rib, the scientific evidence is now showing that people kind were more likely to be a sport of Eve's rib rather than Adam's due to the well known fact that nature favours the female plus the latest D N A research.
If you care to answer this post Nick see if you can answer sensibly without resorting to your usual terrible, second rate sermon like manner, I have no doubt you believe in the stuff you keep coming out with but it's one thing believing your stuff and quite another providing some form of viable evidence that if you had any would support it?
Kind regards ippy
Which part of the bible is it Nick that has the evidence that proves the bible is relating facts only you seem to be the only one that thinks the bible proves the bible, even our forum's Alan Burns hasn't said the bible proves the bible, if anyone was going to say something like that our Alan would probably be the first one to say so.
Hi ippy...I will respond to your post because your salvation is just as important to you as is mine to me, even if you can't see it yet. I believe it was Einstein who said...Everything is energy. I am saying much the same thing. Einstein certainly said...'At the speed of light time stands still' and that certainly stands up against a 4000 year old Biblical insight that states...'To God, a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years, a day.' What I am saying now then is this...when you see the signs which many other observers are seeing and which the Holy Bible tells you to expect...then, as a matter of urgency, reach out for the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ and hope that you haven't left it too late.
There is nothing wrong in being a more honest, more caring person, it just needs a bit of righteous input.
Nick what part of that post of mine is it you can't get your head around, you haven't answered that post in any way, all you have offered is a load of irrelevant nonsensical babble.
What's the point of offering salvation when you can't even establish whether there is any such thing as salvation in the first place to offer.
BELIEF AND FACT ARE TWO VERY DIFFERENT THINGS YOU SEEM UNABLE TO SEPARATE THEM NICK
Kind regards ippy.
Robbie/ippy/torridon/Dicky/Anchorman...
Its the twin dimensional universe you need to get upset about, not me, because it will dictate all our fates. The accurate teaching of Jesus Christ is all we need follow if we want the fruits he offers...which are, repair, resurrection and everlasting life...because when we get the science right we get the benefits of that science right.
We have established that clashes between these two dimensions created gravity and the higgs fields and all nuclear properties. Everywhere there is a friction-point between these two dimensional states there is an imploding portal and the portal that I am most concerned, as far as humanity is concerned, is the portal that lies within the healthy living-cell, because without proper care and attention, it can turn nasty and preventing it turning nasty should be our number one concern...and unless we follow Jesus Christ accurately we instigate the triggers that causes our own living-cells to misbehave, sometimes in the most appalling ways. So, you see, as objectionable as you find my comments, you have got to comply with them if you want what many Christians have died for.
Though you might ridicule, CERN, and other authoritative bodies, have their own harmful take on these matters, which is costing trillions of pounds/dollars and which will induce God's wrath much quicker than is neccessary.
Unhinged nonsense, as unrecognisable to any man of faith as it is to any man of science. Do you get a kick out of doing this ? Surely there must be more fruitful ways to spend your time other than dreaming up incomprehensible gibberish to post on the Internet.
Nicholas it's not a question of ridiculing you as trying to lighten you up. You talk down to everyone here regardless of your 'seeds of wisdom' falling on stony ground. You never speak of anything else! We're a captive audience, you'd hardly give lectures to your family & friends or at work.
People here get cross with eachother at times & there are misunderstandings, soon over, but you don't attempt to converse. We know nothing about you.
I've gotta go back to work now, picked up car from repair garage & popped in home for a sandwich. Back evening.
Well ippy...I brought two points together which are both stated in the Holy Bible and also by one of your highest scientific statesmen...in answer to your demand for a proof higher than is necessary.
Now...ippy...if the Holy Bible is correct on these enormous details then most of its other points are worthy of consideration as well...and if you were looking for signs, as all Christians must, then you would have also seen signs with Satan's demonic and global interests stamped all over them, and it makes me shudder when you realise that no one is immune...in fact, taking the risk with the celestial chaos that is due, is by far the better option...especially when we consider our power over resurrection which Jesus Christ established.
...... the religion of atheism.
No such thing.I have seen the light!! Woe unto you followers of Satan's religion - atheism. Be warned ...... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdHmzPhuoF8
The accurate teaching of Jesus Christ is his accurate teaching, not mine Anchorman...It is a part of its method that we all scrutinize his 'word' and allow it to induce its Holy Spirit into our lives...As far as turning to a recognised official in the Christian World...I have turned to the highest authority of them all...who tells me that there are many false prophets and false teachers and this is why we should each turn to Jesus, accurately. Even if you find this scientific angle hard to swallow the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ still stands and if you think you have got it right already...well...that is up to you.
ippy/Maeght....... or you could be misinterpreting the words attributed to Jesus and are leading people astray.
either you can save some who wouldn't otherwise be saved and can reinforce the hope of those who might want to be saved.
ekim/Anchorman..What you say above invites a number of questions e.g. How do you know that the scripture contains the 'accurate' teachings of Jesus? Why should anybody believe that your 'identifications' are correct as opposed to the 'identifications' of others? What is your understanding of the word 'science'? What do you mean by 'righteous teaching' as opposed to any other form of teaching?
l have been very careful to identify that the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ, as he lived it, as he spoke it, and as he was killed and resurrected by it, is Jesus Christ's exclusive territory...I have identified a science that makes his righteous teaching a science...that's all.
It doesn't matter how much we find it differing from our own reasoning the science clinches the fact that Jesus needs following accurately because the consequences are dire.
ekim/Anchorman.....this coming from a man who claims that the stars are not visible at night from the UK.
l have been very careful to identify that the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ, as he lived it, as he spoke it, and as he was killed and resurrected by it, is Jesus Christ's exclusive territory...I have identified a science that makes his righteous teaching a science...that's all.
It doesn't matter how much we find it differing from our own reasoning the science clinches the fact that Jesus needs following accurately because the consequences are dire.
...this coming from a man who claims that the stars are not visible at night from the UK.
The audience can draw their own conclusions from that alone!
Some would say deluded fantasies from an over active imagination, if they were being kind.
...this coming from a man who claims that the stars are not visible at night from the UK.
The audience can draw their own conclusions from that alone!
Some would say deluded fantasies from an over active imagination, if they were being kind.
ekim/trippy...
Well let's just take a peek at the Holy Bible. It brought into existence a tribe of people who still exist today and who still have an overwhelming voice in world politics...isn't this some kind of evidence? Then we have the fact that Christianity has loomed large in the last 2000 years where tyrants and believers have taken hold of his word for their own individual reasons...the evil telling their subjects their authority comes from Jesus or God whilst the believers seek escape and redress from the worst of that evil in Jesus.Christ's name. Now there is science that speaks of an all spiritual universe which embraces all of Jesus' accurate teaching.
Please be ready for some very difficult tribulations foreseen by Jesus and the science.
On Monday morning around 10.00 am I saw 6 aeroplanes flying over my southern sky, in convey of about 4 min intervals...they were clearly on a mission. The same area of sky was being chemtrailed by a number of other planes so I guess something significant was happening that day.. The sky now appears to be a haze and many people are noticing it. So, I am confident of what I am saying...and many others are saying. Loads and loads of videos depicting two suns and other celestial bodies and many theories to explain them. I don't bother too much. I have seen these things myself but I tend to leave it in the hands of our Saviour who says...all these things must come to pass and then the end will come...but I keep looking into the skies.
And the same still applies. A couple of days ago I saw what appeared to be a planet at the seven o clock position to the moon but I'm suspicious about it...still, if it offers you no threat don't worry...but the Holy Bible reveals we will all panic soon...but the forewarned will respond better.
On Monday morning around 10.00 am I saw 6 aeroplanes flying over my southern sky, in convey of about 4 min intervals...they were clearly on a mission. The same area of sky was being chemtrailed by a number of other planes so I guess something significant was happening that day.. The sky now appears to be a haze and many people are noticing it. So, I am confident of what I am saying...and many others are saying. Loads and loads of videos depicting two suns and other celestial bodies and many theories to explain them. I don't bother too much. I have seen these things myself but I tend to leave it in the hands of our Saviour who says...all these things must come to pass and then the end will come...but I keep looking into the skies.
ippy/Maeght...
Here is one of my problems...the Holy Bible is correct and carries some very important information relevant to this day and age...Your salvation is at risk. Now, there are two aspects to writing to a forum like this...either you can save some who wouldn't otherwise be saved and can reinforce the hope of those who might want to be saved. There is nothing in the forum guidelines that says that the Christian topic page is for the exclusive use of slandering the Christian message which atheists seem to get their kick out of. There is a valid science supporting what I say...but your mistake is not reading the Holy Bible before condemning it...which identifies the atheists as a religion of non-believers...or, perhaps, you have had a change of heart.
ippy/Maeght...
Here is one of my problems...the Holy Bible is correct and carries some very important information relevant to this day and age...Your salvation is at risk. Now, there are two aspects to writing to a forum like this...either you can save some who wouldn't otherwise be saved and can reinforce the hope of those who might want to be saved. There is nothing in the forum guidelines that says that the Christian topic page is for the exclusive use of slandering the Christian message which atheists seem to get their kick out of. There is a valid science supporting what I say...but your mistake is not reading the Holy Bible before condemning it...which identifies the atheists as a religion of non-believers...or, perhaps, you have had a change of heart.
On Monday morning around 10.00 am I saw 6 aeroplanes flying over my southern sky, in convey of about 4 min intervals...they were clearly on a mission.
ippy/Anchorman/Maeght/Robbie...
I assume then that the opposite is true, in that, for the most part, none of you, excusing Anchorman, have read the Holy Bible and so are not really eligible to argue its case...for or against.
If we start with the key facts we have to include Jesus Christ and he told us about Almighty God's spiritual identity...with a finger in every pie. The righteous science says yes...this is possible because everything is energy and this can be fashioned and shaped to mean exactly what the Holy Bible says about Almighty God...He is the living voice of all that energy that the whole universe is structured out of, an electrical energy...which obeys a code that modern science can't crack...and here it is...I have cracked it for you.
Because we are a part of that electric science we must treat our own inner energy wisely, in fact, exactly as Jesus taught us to...else our healthier living cells will fall into disrepair leaving us in physical chaos. Even the genetic health of our forefathers can genetically prove to be damaging so we must break away from their misconceptions as well. A single science that can do this is the science gleaned from Jesus Christ's accurate teaching which basically says...be righteous in all your dealings and the electrical strength which it garnishes will make us spiritually indestructable, because that is one of its attributes...it, also, is indestructible. Take heed...if you are or have been constantly ignoring your spiritual health you will have some very tired and exhausted living-cells within you and one of them, deeply planted inside a weary gland, or organ might just say to itself...I've had enough of this, and lash out violently towards its neighbouring cells, forming a genetic pattern that will never stabilise again without solid righteous comfort.
All you have to do, now, or asap. is follow Jesus Christ accurately...because his word is indisputable, as much as you might wish otherwise.
I try not to comment on the Bible much since I haven't read it all. I do know though that what I have read of the bible doesn't contain what you claim. What bits you quote do not support your beliefs. Your beliefs are not shared by the vast majority of Christians.I also know that there is no evidence to support what you see as signs of the end of days being anything other than the product of ill informed, over active imaginations.
I'll leave you a minute or two to actually read what I said Maeght because your response was too quick which means you didn't really bother reading it...This is a mistake with many Bible readers...they flash through its words...say they have read it, but are totally ignorant of its content.
I'll leave you a minute or two to actually read what I said Maeght because your response was too quick which means you didn't really bother reading it...This is a mistake with many Bible readers...they flash through its words...say they have read it, but are totally ignorant of its content.
Nick
If you download something like Flightradar24 you can track lots of commercial flights, and since most carry transponders you can identify the flight, its origin and its destination. If you track those you can see where you are over a few days you'll find they regularly use the same flight-paths, such as transatlantic flights to certain destinations.
I suspect you are probably, and more often than not, just seeing routine commercial air traffic that is over-flying the UK.
Have reread it and it is no clearer what your pint is.
The point is Maeght...that if we are living in an all electric universe we should, scientifically be looking for all electric answers to all our problems. Chemical answers or atomic answers are secondary to this all important truth...a truth that Jesus Christ knows only too well...because, well, he is still alive because of his obedience to God's righteous word via which he told us we could follow him as well and achieve similar results.
Where did I say I had read the Bible? I said I had read bits but try not to comment on it too much for that reason. You need to reread my post.
And the same still applies.What, "same" are you on about?
I've re-read your post Maeght and realise that my analogy with a supposed Bible scholar perhaps missed the net...but, the analogy stands.
A couple of days ago I saw what appeared to be a planet at the seven o clock position to the moon but I'm suspicious about it..Why are you suspicious about it?
ippy/Anchorman/Maeght/Robbie... I assume then that the opposite is true, in that, for the most part, none of you, excusing Anchorman, have read the Holy Bible and so are not really eligible to argue its case...for or against. If we start with the key facts we have to include Jesus Christ and he told us about Almighty God's spiritual identity...with a finger in every pie. The righteous science says yes...this is possible because everything is energy and this can be fashioned and shaped to mean exactly what the Holy Bible says about Almighty God...He is the living voice of all that energy that the whole universe is structured out of, an electrical energy...which obeys a code that modern science can't crack...and here it is...I have cracked it for you. Because we are a part of that electric science we must treat our own inner energy wisely, in fact, exactly as Jesus taught us to...else our healthier living cells will fall into disrepair leaving us in physical chaos. Even the genetic health of our forefathers can genetically prove to be damaging so we must break away from their misconceptions as well. A single science that can do this is the science gleaned from Jesus Christ's accurate teaching which basically says...be righteous in all your dealings and the electrical strength which it garnishes will make us spiritually indestructable, because that is one of its attributes...it, also, is indestructable. Take heed...if you are or have been constantly ignoring your spiritual health you will have some very tired and exhausted living-cells within you and one of them, deeply planted inside a weary gland, or organ might just say to itself...I've had enough of this, and lash out violently towards its neighbouring cells, forming a genetic pattern that will never stabilise again without solid righteous comfort. All you have to do, now, or asap. is follow Jesus Christ accurately...because his word is indisputable, as much as you might wish otherwise.Yep: I've read the Bible - accurately. The words SCIENCE Electricity Energy Or Superabundant dynamic wotsits Do NOT - repeat NOT - occur in any translation. Now, some numpty has been insane enough to translate Scripture into Klingon ...and, yes, I can get a link. Try that one, NM....'cos it'll be more accdurate than your witterings. https://www.bibleworks.com/forums/showthread.php?468-The-Bible-in-Klingon
Why are you suspicious about it?
It is easy to check what it was depending on the time and your location.
Seb/Maeght...
Seb...The same still applies because I still haven't seen a starry night for a long time now.
Maeght...It was an analogy between the quickness of your remark and bible students who flash through a reading but read nothing. You didn't get the point so it missed the net...but it is still a correct analogy.
The things that are going on in your skies at the moment are for you to analyse...They are many and have a perfectly logical explanation...but it requires Biblical concern to get a full understanding of them.
I'm aware of this point, Gordon...but these planes are not using transponders, according to witnesses who have tried to track them. I have seen three, separately, fly overhead at low altitude and can tell you they are a light, whitish grey, have no identification of any sort, and appeared at, and fly across the sunset, as if to examine their work.
Yep: I've read the Bible - accurately. The words SCIENCE Electricity Energy Or Superabundant dynamic wotsits Do NOT - repeat NOT - occur in any translation. Now, some numpty has been insane enough to translate Scripture into Klingon ...and, yes, I can get a link. Try that one, NM....'cos it'll be more accdurate than your witterings. https://www.bibleworks.com/forums/showthread.php?468-The-Bible-in-Klingon
Just sticking with this point, Nick: it does seem unlikely that aircraft are flying around without air traffic control being at least aware of them - for safety reasons alone.
What does 'examine their work' mean?
Which means that it all has government consent and for whatever reason they are complicit in these chemtrails that are being poured out above us. I have been observing them for some time and the high atmosphere is getting thicker and thicker in a horrible haze. We can ignore the fact that it's happening but we won't be able to ignore the consequences.
What 'chem trails'?
OK.....H2O is a chemical.
I retract my question.
Contrails not chemtrails.
Yep.
I noted that on a previous post.
(Not that a certain person took a blind bit of notice.)
Sky is clear where I am. Will study the stars tonight, when it gets dark,and report back.
Which means that it all has government consent and for whatever reason they are complicit in these chemtrails that are being poured out above us. I have been observing them for some time and the high atmosphere is getting thicker and thicker in a horrible haze. We can ignore the fact that it's happening but we won't be able to ignore the consequences.
What does 'examine their work' mean?...It means that the main focus of the chemtrailing is to obscure the sun at sunset...and the three planes I just mentioned, on separate days, flew deliberately across the sunset, slowly and at low altitude as if admiring their work...an unusual flight path to say the least...and these aren't small aeroplanes they are the type which are used for serious military operations.
And you will find, no doubt, Maeght(as I 'm sure you know) that, even in places of fairly high ambient light, some stars, including Spica, Arcturus and Vega will still be fairly obvious. Jupiter should also be clearly seen from about 10.pm. in the SSW. Nick's problem planet will also be there in all its glory, at about 7 o'clock in relation to the moon, fairly low on the horizon but getting higher with each passing hour. Despite his suspicions, it turns out to be Saturn after all. Who would have thunk it? ::) ;D
Full moon tonight (Strawberry or Mead moon).
No close encounters, no little creatures on bicycles.
You do realise, don't you, that a few dozen miles in any direction from your viewpoint an those planes will be nowhere near the sunset for other people enjoying it!
What does 'examine their work' mean?...It means that the main focus of the chemtrailing is to obscure the sun at sunset...and the three planes I just mentioned, on separate days, flew deliberately across the sunset, slowly and at low altitude as if admiring their work...an unusual flight path to say the least...and these aren't small aeroplanes they are the type which are used for serious military operations.
The things that are going on in your skies at the moment are for you to analyse...They are many and have a perfectly logical explanation...but it requires Biblical concern to get a full understanding of them.You mentioned a planet. The perfectly logical explanation is that it was a planet. Saturn or Jupiter maybe. Really really easy to check.
Seb/Maeght...You have changed your point. You couldn't remember the last time you saw stars now it is a starry night.
Seb...The same still applies because I still haven't seen a starry night for a long time now.
But you are a self-confessed atheist torry so I expect you to support your unholy stance to the end of the world...which, incidentally, isn't so very far off. The Holy Bible is for those who want it to be true, those who need it to be true, and those who have established, clearly, in their own hearts and minds, it is in fact true. Scoffing at clearly established and profound scientific facts of Einstein because the Holy Bible had already stated them doesn't do your credit as an atheist much good...you must either prove that Einstein was wrong so that the Holy Bible is wrong else prove that Einstein was right but the Holy Bible, plagiarised his work. Knocking the identifier of these solid and indisputable facts because you don't understand them is perhaps your best bet and a hall-mark behind the religion of atheism.
SD I agree with what you say. Technology, science, logic etc will prevail. They say religion comes to the internet to die. Theres something in that. Matt Dillahunty(atheist experience) says quite often do you want to live with facts or do you want to rely on faith.sounds like a dullahunty world. And don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of technology, science, and logic but I live in a world of oughts as well as isses. Since none of the above tell me much about oughts, and two of them tell me nothing, not seeing your utopia.
savillerow/SusanDoris/torridon/Seb/Anchorman/Maeght/Robbie/Gordon/enki/Robbie...
At least you are looking into the skies now and so have a chance of seeing what I'm seeing. It's being done so blatantly yet being ignored by those but the avid observer. Jesus Christ says look into the heavens for signs and this is clearly one of them. It is a worldwide phenomenon including the head in the sand attitude of those who will ultimately suffer by it. Jesus's signs are all around us now, in this day and age, so it is wise to keep looking and seeing what you are obviously missing. The greatest trick involved is in us believing all authority is behaving responsibly...but that is far from the case and Satan breaks that rule in a frightening and terrible way...but it works. Hitler had gotten a serious and terrible war-machine in place whilst few realised...but Jesus is prepared to alert those who really care for this planet.
savillerow/SusanDoris/torridon/Seb/Anchorman/Maeght/Robbie/Gordon/enki/Robbie...
At least you are looking into the skies now and so have a chance of seeing what I'm seeing. It's being done so blatantly yet being ignored by those but the avid observer. Jesus Christ says look into the heavens for signs and this is clearly one of them. It is a worldwide phenomenon including the head in the sand attitude of those who will ultimately suffer by it. Jesus's signs are all around us now, in this day and age, so it is wise to keep looking and seeing what you are obviously missing. The greatest trick involved is in us believing all authority is behaving responsibly...but that is far from the case and Satan breaks that rule in a frightening and terrible way...but it works. Hitler had gotten a serious and terrible war-machine in place whilst few realised...but Jesus is prepared to alert those who really care for this planet.
Beautiful night last night. Couldn't sleep because of the tempreature. The moonshine was superb....no, not the stuff I drank - that was Laphraoig, but equally magnificent. There was a jet leaving a trail as it left Prestwick airport. The sky didn't fall in, Nabiru didn't pay a visit, and nothing else was any different, give or take a meteor, from the past umopteen millenia.
I did sleep reasonably well last night Anchorman but I rowsed momentarily around 2.00am and took a look out of my bedroom window, facing north...I saw nothing...not a star in the sky.
I did sleep reasonably well last night Anchorman but I rowsed momentarily around 2.00am and took a look out of my bedroom window, facing north...I saw nothing...not a star in the sky.
I did sleep reasonably well last night Anchorman but I rowsed momentarily around 2.00am and took a look out of my bedroom window, facing north...I saw nothing...not a star in the sky.Was it cloudy?
savillerow/SusanDoris/torridon/Seb/Anchorman/Maeght/Robbie/Gordon/enki/Robbie...
At least you are looking into the skies now and so have a chance of seeing what I'm seeing. It's being done so blatantly yet being ignored by those but the avid observer. Jesus Christ says look into the heavens for signs and this is clearly one of them. It is a worldwide phenomenon including the head in the sand attitude of those who will ultimately suffer by it. Jesus's signs are all around us now, in this day and age, so it is wise to keep looking and seeing what you are obviously missing. The greatest trick involved is in us believing all authority is behaving responsibly...but that is far from the case and Satan breaks that rule in a frightening and terrible way...but it works. Hitler had gotten a serious and terrible war-machine in place whilst few realised...but Jesus is prepared to alert those who really care for this planet.
[20] Being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God was coming, he answered them, "The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed;
[21] nor will they say, `Lo, here it is!' or `There!' for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you."
No ippy. You're being unnecessarily picky.
Nicholas has told us that close reading of the Bible will give us information of the type that he is trying to give us. All Dicky and I have done is quote Bible passages which say something quite different.
A suggestion for you, as an atheist. Look at it in the same way as literature: when you analyse a character's personality from literature, you quote them and those around them. You don't say, "This is what Lady Macbeth is supposed to have said", you quote what is written. Then you do your own interpretation of what they mean.
Maybe once at the beginning but after that, no, because presumably the exam question would be about Macbeth by William Shakespeare & the examiner would know that.
Whatever, I think you know what I meant and Dicky is not a believer. There seems no point in interjecting the same thing all the time when analysing text, we all know who believes and who doesn't and it takes the thread off topic. It's like heckling. I'm not trying to convert anyone & pretty sure Dicky isn't.
Maybe once at the beginning but after that, no, because presumably the exam question would be about Macbeth by William Shakespeare & the examiner would know that.
Whatever, I think you know what I meant and Dicky is not a believer. There seems no point in interjecting the same thing all the time when analysing text, we all know who believes and who doesn't and it takes the thread off topic. It's like heckling. I'm not trying to convert anyone & pretty sure Dicky isn't.
No ippy. You're being unnecessarily picky.
Nicholas has told us that close reading of the Bible will give us information of the type that he is trying to give us. All Dicky and I have done is quote Bible passages which say something quite different.
A suggestion for you, as an atheist. Look at it in the same way as literature: when you analyse a character's personality from literature, you quote them and those around them. You don't say, "This is what Lady Macbeth is supposed to have said", you quote what is written. Then you do your own interpretation of what they mean.
Oy! Mention the Brummie bard if you want....but not THAT play.....!
Grouoch rules, OK?
Arr well superstition/religion good bedfellows, all in and from the same camp, Macbeth, Macbeth, Macbeth, Macbeth, Macbeth, Macbeth,Macbeth.
Regards ippy.
Thing is, though, we're trying to make our NM see hi 'accurate' is anything but....
....and 'Macbeth' is about as accurate as NM's postings.......
ippy/Anchorman/Robbie/Maeght/Seb...
Well...at least some of you are now looking into the Holy Bible to condemn me...and that is a positive start. I would now like to show you how ignoring your spiritual stamina is harmful to you personally, and often those around you. Everyone comes across a charismatic person from time to time. They have an inner radiance that beams from them...a powerful attitude and often an unusual talent...but it is all comprised of the nervous strength of their audience...a component snatched from your health, in superabundance. This is what the science says...what Jesus Christ's teaching says, and what I am saying. Harness this inner strength within our own persona in a righteous way and we begin a repair cycle which offers us resurrection and ultimately everlasting life...but, It's up to you.
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Thanks for acknowledging that I read the Scriptures, NM - I have done - every fay for nearly 40 years.
Talking of Scripture - the Scripture you claim to follow - accurately, of course....
Have you submitted yourself to your church leaders yet?
Ort is your approach to Scripture 'pic 'n mix'?
ippy/Anchorman/Robbie/Maeght/Seb...
Well...at least some of you are now looking into the Holy Bible to condemn me...and that is a positive start. I would now like to show you how ignoring your spiritual stamina is harmful to you personally, and often those around you. Everyone comes across a charismatic person from time to time. They have an inner radiance that beams from them...a powerful attitude and often an unusual talent...but it is all comprised of the nervous strength of their audience...a component snatched from your health, in superabundance. This is what the science says...what Jesus Christ's teaching says, and what I am saying. Harness this inner strength within our own persona in a righteous way and we begin a repair cycle which offers us resurrection and ultimately everlasting life...but, It's up to you.
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Hullo :), surprise. Hope you're alright.
Know what you mean about Anchor but,
(It is understood that the following will mean nothing to non-believers, indeed they will consider it nonsense so interjections saying as much are unnecessarily disuptive)
Anchor, you keep going on about submitting to church elders. It is written in the Bible:
Hebrews 13:17 (NIV)
"17 Have confidence in your leaders and submit to their authority, because they keep watch over you as those who must give an account. Do this so that their work will be a joy, not a burden, for that would be of no benefit to you."
However I've not come across anyone who takes that so literally as to bang on about it because church leaders are human beings.The insistence in to their authority is somewhat strong. It can be dangerous.
If they are wise and good one will listen or ask for advice. What Nick said about charismatic people feeding off the energy of their audience (my words) was spot on. I can't help feeling Paul, as a leader, was flexing his muscles & laying down the law. We've moved on since then.
Nicholas what you said about harnessing the inner strength of our own persona (you said similar in one of your previous posts & Trippy asked if it just applied to Christians), corresponds to the belief that God is to be found inside each one of us; that belief is common to many traditions, not just Christian. Maybe that is for another thread on the Faith Sharing area.
Nice to see you not posting about signs in the sky at night on this occasion Nicholas :-).
Hullo :), surprise. Hope you're alright. Know what you mean about Anchor but, (It is understood that the following will mean nothing to non-believers, indeed they will consider it nonsense so interjections saying as much are unnecessarily disuptive) Anchor, you keep going on about submitting to church elders. It is written in the Bible: Hebrews 13:17 (NIV) "17 Have confidence in your leaders and submit to their authority, because they keep watch over you as those who must give an account. Do this so that their work will be a joy, not a burden, for that would be of no benefit to you." However I've not come across anyone who takes that so literally as to bang on about it because church leaders are human beings.The insistence in to their authority is somewhat strong. It can be dangerous. If they are wise and good one will listen or ask for advice. What Nick said about charismatic people feeding off the energy of their audience (my words) was spot on. I can't help feeling Paul, as a leader, was flexing his muscles & laying down the law. We've moved on since then. Nicholas what you said about harnessing the inner strength of our own persona (you said similar in one of your previous posts & Trippy asked if it just applied to Christians), corresponds to the belief that God is to be found inside each one of us; that belief is common to many traditions, not just Christian. Maybe that is for another thread on the Faith Sharing area. Nice to see you not posting about signs in the sky at night on this occasion Nicholas :-).The reason I bang on about it, Robbie is simple. Our NM keeps harping on about following the 'accurate teachings', etc. I have presented him with a very accurate teaching; I want to know if he's following it - plain and simple; no pseudoscientific gobbledegook, simply a straight question. I don't hope for a straight answer, though. As an elder in my own church, I don't expect crowds of people rushing to my feet to be judged....all thaT TEA WOULD TURN MY STOMACH INTO IRON ANYWAY. However I would expect members of that church to discuss and debate doctrine. I assume it's the same with wahatever denomination NM attands - assuming he attends a church....which, as someone who follows the "accurate teaching" of Christ, he will.....er.....
Anchorman:- "...assuming he attends a church....which, as someone who follows the "accurate teaching" of Christ, he will.....er....."
probably not!
Not everyone does that ippy, I don't, I doubt Anchor does, cannot think of anyone else off hand who posts here regularly. Steven doesn't strike me as someone who would force feed his faith onto others. Humph Warden Bennett doesn't. Agreed there are some posters here who are forceful but they aren't here very often.Of believers of gods and goddesses, who don't force feed, add in Gonnagle, Rhiannon and Gabriella. This idea of child abuse by those who have beliefs simply for stating them is to me hugely pernicious. As I always cite on here, my sainted old mother is worth any bunch of people using the child abuse schtick.
But that wasn't the point of what I said. When talking to others, like Nicholas and like Anchor (please don't think I'm putting them in the same category except for this), it's important to address issues in the same way they do & try to understand their points of view. Dicky does that & as far as I can tell he is an atheist or at least agnostic - his posts are well constructed and interesting.
I wouldn't even think of jeering at what others believe or don't believe even if I don't share their views. It doesn't lead anywhere at all except perhaps a free for all. If I can't think of anything useful to say I'll say nothing.
Perhaps better if I say no more on this thread but like anyone else, I sometimes read a post and see something I want to respond to.
However I'm feeling a bit under the weather today (have been all week but today I can give in to it), so am now going to curl up on the sofa with a book - will probably drop off to sleep. Enjoy the rest of the afternoon.
I get a bit scared at the atheist fundie approach which goes down the child abuse in telling kids what you believe. It seems a parody of my upgringing, and one which people seem to want to indulge in without any reference to reality.
It is only abuse if you threaten them with the tortures of hell if they don't believe it too.In a sense this was implied in the gentle loving upbringing I received from my parents, but that was because they had been brought up to think that too. The idea of religion as this simplistic, is in turn simplistic.
It is only abuse if you threaten them with the tortures of hell if they don't believe it too.
You are funny Anchor.
Li'l' Roses was there anything else abusive about your 'fundi' Christian upbringing apart from your auntie telling you you'd burn if you didn't turn?
You should accompany me on my rounds of a Sunday Rob, knocking at doors asking another candidate "have you heard the bad news", door closed in my face, another bad day it's hard out there ror us fundies Rob.
Regards ippy.
You are funny Anchor.
Li'l' Roses was there anything else abusive about your 'fundi' Christian upbringing apart from your auntie telling you you'd burn if you didn't turn?
Littleroses/Robbie/Anchorman/ippy/Nearly Sane/Maeght...
It was interesting to read some of your histories...of course I've heard Littleroses before, in another life, but nothing detatches from the over riding principle that it is, scientifically, an all electric universe and has at the roots of all scientifically known data, an electrical understanding. In its most refined form we can call that electrical understanding its spiritual nature and this is what Jesus Christ was/is teaching us. We are now living in the last days and all those in with a chance of salvation need to trim their lamps which spiritually means refresh our Biblical knowledge and become Christ-like because there are rough times ahead,
Littleroses/Robbie/Anchorman/ippy/Nearly Sane/Maeght...
It was interesting to read some of your histories...of course I've heard Littleroses before, in another life, but nothing detatches from the over riding principle that it is, scientifically, an all electric universe and has at the roots of all scientifically known data, an electrical understanding.
In its most refined form we can call that electrical understanding its spiritual nature
...and this is what Jesus Christ was/is teaching us.
We are now living in the last days and all those in with a chance of salvation need to trim their lamps which spiritually means refresh our Biblical knowledge and become Christ-like because there are rough times ahead,
Littleroses/Robbie/Anchorman/ippy/Nearly Sane/Maeght...
It was interesting to read some of your histories...of course I've heard Littleroses before, in another life, but nothing detatches from the over riding principle that it is, scientifically, an all electric universe and has at the roots of all scientifically known data, an electrical understanding. In its most refined form we can call that electrical understanding its spiritual nature and this is what Jesus Christ was/is teaching us. We are now living in the last days and all those in with a chance of salvation need to trim their lamps which spiritually means refresh our Biblical knowledge and become Christ-like because there are rough times ahead,
Littleroses/Maeght/Anchorman...
You will reveal yourself Littleroses...you have your own unique style. But here we need to concentrate how we can save you. If you read post #1526 again you will see what is at the root of your problems and perhaps realise it wasn't Jesus Christ at fault at all...still...I must cut this short...got to go...
And you don't even get the chance to refuse a slice of black pudding?
Atheism...eh?
Littleroses/Maeght/Anchorman...
You will reveal yourself Littleroses...you have your own unique style. But here we need to concentrate how we can save you. If you read post #1526 again you will see what is at the root of your problems and perhaps realise it wasn't Jesus Christ at fault at all...still...I must cut this short...got to go...
".....you need to concentrate on how we can save you."
We can't.
WE can't save anyone.
Not if you read the Bible - accurately.
NM is as accurate as his JW rose-tinted specs permit him to be. ;D
NM is as accurate as his JW rose-tinted specs permit him to be. ;D
Littleroses/Robbie/Anchorman/ippy/Nearly Sane/Maeght...
It was interesting to read some of your histories...of course I've heard Littleroses before, in another life, but nothing detatches from the over riding principle that it is, scientifically, an all electric universe and has at the roots of all scientifically known data, an electrical understanding. In its most refined form we can call that electrical understanding its spiritual nature and this is what Jesus Christ was/is teaching us. We are now living in the last days and all those in with a chance of salvation need to trim their lamps which spiritually means refresh our Biblical knowledge and become Christ-like because there are rough times ahead,
If there is a god then there is not so much to worry about; we have a safety net, a backstop, a heavenly father with unlimited powers to rescue us from whatever we need rescuing from.
In a godless world there is no such insurance, we make our own problems and only we can fix them. We may be living through the end times, in a sense, with rising population, decreasing food availability, ecological destruction, climate change, antibiotic resistance, wars and pestilence, we have many problems to face. If 'righteousness' translates as reducing your carbon footprint, renouncing plastics, giving up meat, advocating for social justice then 'righteousness' is probably something worthy. I have a feeling your definition probably includes none of these pragmatic measures though.
If there is a god then there is not so much to worry about; we have a safety net, a backstop, a heavenly father with unlimited powers to rescue us from whatever we need rescuing from.
In a godless world there is no such insurance, we make our own problems and only we can fix them. We may be living through the end times, in a sense, with rising population, decreasing food availability, ecological destruction, climate change, antibiotic resistance, wars and pestilence, we have many problems to face. If 'righteousness' translates as reducing your carbon footprint, renouncing plastics, giving up meat, advocating for social justice then 'righteousness' is probably something worthy. I have a feeling your definition probably includes none of these pragmatic measures though.
Righteousness includes all of those tags and many more besides torry. It's an electrical/spiritual universe and the finest use of that free-energy is to follow Jesus Christ accurately. When one is guarding their inner emotional strength then, besides being alert to righteous matters and seeing warnings of danger more clearly...we are also appeasing our genetic health, which doesn't take kindly to being starved of nervous nourishment, and will kick-off hysterically if we don't give them our care and attention, just like a child will play-up to get the same attention and emotional care, when neglected. The problem arises because, unknowingly, we activate the electrical mechanics of evolution which can accidently twist and turn our genetic health to suit environmental difficulties...I call this, reaching out for various needs alters the genetic code, and conversely, reaching out for Jesus Christ, by following his teaching, accurately, can restore the accidental and often, demonic, genetic damage, that we might otherwise suffer.
He's an electrocutionist.
NM what is your religion, I had the impression, maybe erroneously, that you were a JW?
I follow the same religion that Jesus Christ followed, Littleroses...that is as much as we need to do. That way you don't get manipulated into serving false teachings but rely upon the only real teaching...the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...Then you would know when a hostile grandad is hiding inside a false religion making demands that Jesus never would have. The Jehovah Witness Faith is the closest on Earth today to that accurate teaching...but not without errors.
That is, according to my own scrutiny.
I follow the same religion that Jesus Christ followed, Littleroses...that is as much as we need to do. That way you don't get manipulated into serving false teachings but rely upon the only real teaching...the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...Then you would know when a hostile grandad is hiding inside a false religion making demands that Jesus never would have. The Jehovah Witness Faith is the closest on Earth today to that accurate teaching...but not without errors.
Jesus was a Jew. So do you consider yourself a JW or not, simple question?
Jesus was a Jew. So do you consider yourself a JW or not, simple question?
I have already answered you Littleroses...I believe in Jesus Christ, The Holy Bible, The electric nature of the entire universe, and Almighty God, Jehovah, the owner of all that science that is the rippling current behind all Biblical teaching and which is especially important in this day and age, from our genetic health point of view, from God's final Judgement point of view. and from our everlasting life, here on planet Earth, point of view, but don't think death is its own answer because the science says we each have an eternal spirit, it is our inner electric form and if we don't support it righteously, and soon, it is going into the fiery lake of sulphur where it will live in regret for all eternity, with no remission. This is just a fact of life which we have been warned and advised about by Jesus Christ.
Righteousness includes all of those tags and many more besides torry. It's an electrical/spiritual universe and the finest use of that free-energy is to follow Jesus Christ accurately. When one is guarding their inner emotional strength then, besides being alert to righteous matters and seeing warnings of danger more clearly...we are also appeasing our genetic health, which doesn't take kindly to being starved of nervous nourishment, and will kick-off hysterically if we don't give them our care and attention, just like a child will play-up to get the same attention and emotional care, when neglected. The problem arises because, unknowingly, we activate the electrical mechanics of evolution which can accidently twist and turn our genetic health to suit environmental difficulties...I call this, reaching out for various needs alters the genetic code, and conversely, reaching out for Jesus Christ, by following his teaching, accurately, can restore the accidental and often, demonic, genetic damage, that we might otherwise suffer.
Righteousness includes all of those tags and many more besides torry. It's an electrical/spiritual universe and the finest use of that free-energy is to follow Jesus Christ accurately. When one is guarding their inner emotional strength then, besides being alert to righteous matters and seeing warnings of danger more clearly...we are also appeasing our genetic health, which doesn't take kindly to being starved of nervous nourishment, and will kick-off hysterically if we don't give them our care and attention, just like a child will play-up to get the same attention and emotional care, when neglected. The problem arises because, unknowingly, we activate the electrical mechanics of evolution which can accidently twist and turn our genetic health to suit environmental difficulties...I call this, reaching out for various needs alters the genetic code, and conversely, reaching out for Jesus Christ, by following his teaching, accurately, can restore the accidental and often, demonic, genetic damage, that we might otherwise suffer.
Robbie/Littleroses...
The universe can only work one way and answer all scientific data at the same time. It's a long and complicated story made simple and prioritised in a wonderful way by the Holy Bible and in particular in the Gospels. It must be obvious that anything large is made from a concoction of smaller bits and the suns in the sky are no exception. All their electric energy fits the profile of a star being the result of a massive electric skirmish in the heavens, that is, two dimensions clashing, and where this friction point manifests itself a proportional imploding force, dependant upon the mass involved appears, that we call gravity.
In my model, time-warps, ufos, and the poltergeist, can be much better explained because they are the physical results of mass using these damaged, gravitational areas. This isn't my main concern though...Even how every nuclear particle climbed inside the nucleus of every single atom, or even, how the living-cell generates life...but what intrigues me most is that every nervous expression we make is burning up the same energy from within us and a simple solution for most of our ailments is...don't waste that energy...but this is easier said than done...made simpler if we follow the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...but only if we are sincere and quick, because the fiery lake of sulphur in Revelation 21:8 will resolve all unrighteous issues.
How the zonking twonkbuckets can we affect our 'genetic health'?
I'm no biologist - certainly no expert; m
any on here do have qualifications in the discipline and I'm open to correction; but unless we have access to a TARDIS, we cannot change our own genetic make-up.
That might just be accurate.
And, as per Psalm 139, the only One who has the right to interfere with that created genetic make-up is the one who created it...and, if you accept Him as Creator - and I do - you must accept His creation.
The only correction to that is Jesus Christ. What he is telling us is that it is our sins that have corrupted our genetic health and has been doing so since Adam and Eve...so much so that Almighty God had to send Jesus to lead us back to our genetic health by absorbing our sins and showing us the spiritual way back. It is well known that the less stress we are subjected to the better our health responds and this is born out when we examine the brightness and lightness in the health and attitudes of Jehovah's Witnesses. This is certainly a step forward in soothing and calming our genetics and our nourished genetics respond to God's spiritual waters, or, God's dynamic energy, or, God's fountain of living waters, better than any other nutrient...It is a water that quenches our inner thirsts where no other water can reach...but it's all in the Holy Bible...and don't forget Anchorman, some of us have put it to the test.
Rubbish!
Genetics has diddly squat to do with the concept of man's sin, man's imperfection or the cdertainty of God's forgiveness through Christ.
Neither has electricity, dynamism, energy...or any act of ours save repentence.
Stop messing the Gospel imperative, please.
Robbie/Littleroses...
The universe can only work one way and answer all scientific data at the same time. It's a long and complicated story made simple and prioritised in a wonderful way by the Holy Bible and in particular in the Gospels. It must be obvious that anything large is made from a concoction of smaller bits and the suns in the sky are no exception. All their electric energy fits the profile of a star being the result of a massive electric skirmish in the heavens, that is, two dimensions clashing, and where this friction point manifests itself a proportional imploding force, dependant upon the mass involved appears, that we call gravity.
In my model, time-warps, ufos, and the poltergeist, can be much better explained because they are the physical results of mass using these damaged, gravitational areas. This isn't my main concern though...Even how every nuclear particle climbed inside the nucleus of every single atom, or even, how the living-cell generates life...but what intrigues me most is that every nervous expression we make is burning up the same energy from within us and a simple solution for most of our ailments is...don't waste that energy...but this is easier said than done...made simpler if we follow the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...but only if we are sincere and quick, because the fiery lake of sulphur in Revelation 21:8 will resolve all unrighteous issues.
Rubbish!
Genetics has diddly squat to do with the concept of man's sin, man's imperfection or the cdertainty of God's forgiveness through Christ.
Neither has electricity, dynamism, energy...or any act of ours save repentence.
Stop messing the Gospel imperative, please.
By sin, death came into the world...which means that Adam and Eve and Jesus Christ were genetically perfect and to reclaim that genetic health we must follow Jesus Christ accurately.
The proof of this is coded into the cancer-cell which goes genetically wild and refuses to follow the good genetic behaviour of the surrounding cells...A possible cause, suggested here, is that we continually waste the nervous nourishment that every healthy living-cell requires to remain calm, soothed, and healthy...just as a child who is emotionally nurtured in a healthy and responsible way does. Now, where did I get this idea from?? I know...it is contained within the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ....and it is what every good teacher of Jesus' righteous word should be teaching.
Anchorman, I laughed at your "zonking twonkbuckets". Hope you won't mind if I use it!
By sin, death came into the world...which means that Adam and Eve and Jesus Christ were genetically perfect and to reclaim that genetic health we must follow Jesus Christ accurately. The proof of this is coded into the cancer-cell which goes genetically wild and refuses to follow the good genetic behaviour of the surrounding cells...A possible cause, suggested here, is that we continually waste the nervous nourishment that every healthy living-cell requires to remain calm, soothed, and healthy...just as a child who is emotionally nurtured in a healthy and responsible way does. Now, where did I get this idea from?? I know...it is contained within the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ....and it is what every good teacher of Jesus' righteous word should be teaching.Are you a YEC? Dou accept evolution - as I do? In which case Genesis - even given its' edited state from the fifth century BC - does not mean that Adam was the first hum an being, but a paradigm. Death existed, therfor, in the humans who existed in Adam's time, and the proto-humans who existed befor hmosapiens evolved around one million years BC. Again, NM; There is nothing we can do to alter our genes - without medical intervention which is still very much in its' infancy. That, NM, is fact - accurate fact. Sin is not genetic, has nothing to do with genetics, will have nothing to do with genetics. I'm currently trying to use what's left of my brain to understand ancient DNA as part of a book I'm writing. The DNA in question is that of royal personages of the mid-late eighteenth dynasty of Egypt. We can do a DNA profile on them, NM - we can find diseases, family connections, racial ancestry, the lot. Now, I'm a rank amateur, but I'm almost certain we haven't found traces of any genetic ill health caused by electric superabundant accurate unrighteousness. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/185393
torridon/Anchorman...
When dealing with a very sensitive issue it is necessary to use caution, and we all die...but Jesus, not I, says we die because of our sins...and I agree...the science says so. It isn't what we do today or the year before it is what we are doing everyday of our lives that causes a genetic comotion that flares up within us. Sin is failing to take our spiritual needs righteously, according to Jesus' accurate word...and don't forget, we carry the sins of our fathers and our forefathers which it has taken us 2000 years for us to realise.
torridon/Anchorman...
Yes I believe in Adam and Eve...I believe that this planet came to an abrupt end after supporting life and because all the ingredients to support life were still within the planet's capabilities Almighty God restarted a sequence of events which resurrected the planet into a fully fledged, life supporting planet again, and a careful examination of Genesis tells of the daily stages taken to restore it.
I found a dead dragonfly in my garden shed yesterday. Do you think it had been sinning ?Of course it was, the dirty little devil was lured there by the wicked seductive damsel flies. The wages of sin is death.
The special creation of this planet as recorded in Genesis explains it best. The planet was void but all the clues state it had once thrived in an evolutionary state. A terrible event like the one expected soon had likely struck the planet and it had become tidally locked .It wasn't spinning on its axis.We are told that there was plenty of water but it had all collected upon the dark side of the planet...all life was lost. Almighty God, who demands our exclusive devotion took a decision to resurrect this planet...simply by spinning it on its axis...the rest is Genesis.
If we want to compare ourselves with dragonflies we have kind of missed the point. Both us and they are electric beings in the first instance but we handle far more of this energy and are capable of using it wisely, intelligently, scientifically, and righteously and this will mean repair, resurrection and, ultimately, everlasting life because the taking in of the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ means though we die we will be invited back into a new vessel which is spiritually possible according to the science.
It's the difference of believing in the veracity of the Holy Bible or not torridon. I believe and find satisfactory answers from it, especially about the spiritual/electric nature of the universe. Jesus Christ chose a different life style to common man explaining that his life style was based upon the fundamental forces of his father...the same forces I have unified to my own satisfaction...the same laws that control all of our existences...especially those that say that lies and deceit can become the spiritual food of the demonic...and I for one have seen that food working at close quarters...so, if you don't mind, I will continue on my quest to save those who can see the value in true righteousness, where I am told that the intellectual often outsmart themselves and not wanting to study the spiritual universe according to Jesus Christ is an example of this and is fraught with danger, as Revelation tells us.
It's the difference of believing in the veracity of the Holy Bible or not torridon. I believe and find satisfactory answers from it, especially about the spiritual/electric nature of the universe. Jesus Christ chose a different life style to common man explaining that his life style was based upon the fundamental forces of his father...the same forces I have unified to my own satisfaction...the same laws that control all of our existences...especially those that say that lies and deceit can become the spiritual food of the demonic...and I for one have seen that food working at close quarters...so, if you don't mind, I will continue on my quest to save those who can see the value in true righteousness, where I am told that the intellectual often outsmart themselves and not wanting to study the spiritual universe according to Jesus Christ is an example of this and is fraught with danger, as Revelation tells us.
Nick, are you a Jehovah's witness or not?
One word answer please?
ippy
NM's beliefs are somewhat - shall we say - outré, but he is unfailingly courteous, and never goes out of his way to offend those who believe something different, unlike some, including, I admit, me on occasion.
That crazy book of Revelation should be taken with a large pitch of salt. As I have said many times, I reckon its author was as high as a kite when he wrote it. ::)
You can believe what you like NM, but rest assured your take of faith is not convincing anyone, even other Christians.
You'll be lucky. ::)
Nick, are you a Jehovah's witness or not?
One word answer please?
ippy
The Jehovah Witness Faith is the closest on Earth today to that accurate teaching...but not without errors.(bold type mine)
That is, according to my own scrutiny.
It's the difference of believing in the veracity of the Holy Bible or not torridon. I believe and find satisfactory answers from it, especially about the spiritual/electric nature of the universe. Jesus Christ chose a different life style to common man explaining that his life style was based upon the fundamental forces of his father...the same forces I have unified to my own satisfaction...the same laws that control all of our existences...especially those that say that lies and deceit can become the spiritual food of the demonic...and I for one have seen that food working at close quarters...so, if you don't mind, I will continue on my quest to save those who can see the value in true righteousness, where I am told that the intellectual often outsmart themselves and not wanting to study the spiritual universe according to Jesus Christ is an example of this and is fraught with danger, as Revelation tells us.
You cannot save anyone Nick, don't kid yourself, and if you think you might be bringing people into faith, don't kid yourself, for every person that you might cause to think that way there will be a hundred put off by your incomprehensible spiel. There will be people reading this thread forming the opinion that a step in faith could end up with them also being completely away with the fairies, and something therefore to avoid.
As to the veracity of the Bible, it gives us a unique window into the beliefs of the Jewish peoples, although as a guide to science it is a complete zero, showing no signs of any profound insight into the nature of reality. It is broadly equivalent to the other cultures of antiquity, the Egyptians, the Assyrians, the Aztec, the Olmecs and so forth. They all had understanding born of their age. Of all the cultures of antiquity only one showed deep insight, that was classical Greece which produced proto scientists, poets, playrights by the shedload but unfortunately the Greeks fell to the military might of the Romans first and then their thinking was all but obliterated systematically by the early church, so comprehensively that it set us back by over a thousand years before Enlightenment Europe started to shake off Middle Eastern superstitions to recover to where the Greeks had gotten to in forming properly structured understandings of reality based on principles of evidence, observation and reason.
Hi there...Littleroses/torridon/Dicky/Steve/ippy/Robbie/ikem/Anchorman... You keep forgetting that I believe in Jesus Christ implicitly....as it is written in the Holy Bible...not the generally accepted version which is more about keeping tyrants in power. Tyrants were in power in Jesus Christ's day and he showed us how to lift ourselves out of the deep and deppresive oppression that all tyrants rule by...and it works...even when resurrection is required...all because our Deities teaching incorporates an indestructible energy that is the main stay behind stars, atoms, and life. It is up to the individual to find this truth else the consequences recorded in Revelation which talks of nasty celestial bodies disturbing this planet in a Godly, judgemental way and which is showing its presence in many different ways inspiring Satan and all his henchmen to consider their options and there is terrible evidence of what these will mean.Not the generally accepted version? You mean the one whos translators refused to divulge their qualifications...till one of them spilled the beans and admitted that they had none and simply rehashed existing English versions to say what they wanted the Bible to say, rather than what it DOES say? The one that reputable scholars of Greek - both Christian and non-Chreistian - wouldn't touch with a ten foot bargepole because it is duplicitous and ver, very, innacurate? Hmmmmmm? Here's a link to GREEK SCHOLARS, NM - you DO realise the New Testament was written in Greek, don't you? - and their opinion of the NWT. I could link to various departments of New Testament Greek in Oxford, Cambridge, Glasgow, Syndney, Harvaaard, etc, as well if you so wish. They will say much the same. By the way, you'll note a quote from the late Professor William Barclay on that page. The liars - and I use the word with sadness - the liars in the Watchtower tried to use Willie Barclay, twisting his words to try and say he was supporting the NWT. I was honoured to have met Willie when I was a student at Glasgow Uni - a very old man by then, but with all his faculties. He was in the process of suing the Watchtower when he died. Sadly, with his deat, the duit failed. Would you really trust an organisation which lied to advocate an obviously adulterated mistranslation? Really? http://www.apologeticsindex.org/j01.html
Not the generally accepted version?
You mean the one whos translators refused to divulge their qualifications...till one of them spilled the beans and admitted that they had none and simply rehashed existing English versions to say what they wanted the Bible to say, rather than what it DOES say?
The one that reputable scholars of Greek - both Christian and non-Chreistian - wouldn't touch with a ten foot bargepole because it is duplicitous and ver, very, innacurate?
Hmmmmmm?
You should know Anchorman that the Holy Bible carries its own pattern of salvation. The individual cannot breach it to read anything different than what it states...though many do...unsuccessfully. The accurate teaching is a science and the powerful words of Almighty God and Jesus should tell us this. 'Look into the heavens...who put them there? With the superabundance of his mighty power (dynamic energy)...not one is missing'. If then every star contains science, guess who put it there?? with the superabundance of his mighty power (dynamic energy)...a science just waiting to be harnessed via the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.
You should know Anchorman that the Holy Bible carries its own pattern of salvation. The individual cannot breach it to read anything different than what it states...though many do...unsuccessfully. The accurate teaching is a science and the powerful words of Almighty God and Jesus should tell us this. 'Look into the heavens...who put them there? With the superabundance of his mighty power (dynamic energy)...not one is missing'. If then every star contains science, guess who put it there?? with the superabundance of his mighty power (dynamic energy)...a science just waiting to be harnessed via the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.
Just for once, and it's not something I intend getting into the habit of doing, I agree with LR. People whose beliefs are pretty much unique to them, and are not concerned about that, are either prophets or a bit bonkers. I don't think NM is a prophet.
NM you need to consider why no one on this forum agrees with your take on the Bible and Jesus. Maybe you should ask yourself if you have got it all wrong, because what you are preaching makes no sense at all.
You said, NM, "It's a little more strange Anchorman when Jesus says one thing and the entire population since Constantine says another. Even Jesus' words in Revelation to the seven churches in Asia demand that they return to his teaching, or else. Stranger still, Jesus had no man given scholarly credentials either...though I'm sure the Jewish elders were giving them to their favourites. " That's dishonest, pure and simple. By your reasoning, then, the only honest version of Scripture was the NWT. Therefore all other versions, most translated by God-inspired, learned scholars well versed in the original langua ges, are wrong? By that same reasoning, since the liars who translated the NWT admitted they'd no use or knowledge of Greek or Hebrew Or, presumably, Latin) they used those existing translations, which, by your logic, are wrong, to create the NWT? I've heard of warped reasoning....this raises it to an art form. Would God, who gave us Scripture, spend two thousand years deliberately allowing false translations of Scripture to exist, only to let untutored liars create a new version using them? Really?
Whether the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures is correct or not is for those who use it for their own teaching...it carries the word of righteousness which is an essential ingredient within all Holy Bibles if they are interpreted righteously. The problem arises when the Holy Bible is being used as a front for image-craft which is people pretending that they are guided by righteousness but in truth they are nothing of the kind. This is what got Jesus slaughtered...but he knew it, and was prepared to show us how evil works...they prefer lies and deceit, and pretending to be righteous is a manifestation of that deceit. Of course that isn't all Christians just many of those leading many Christians...and righteousness is born from the science of loving care for our neighbours...even me, for you, and you, for me. I am demonstrating mine by showing how Jesus Christ's righteous science works...especially as all the signs are indicating that we are living in the last days.
Whether the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures is correct or not is for those who use it for their own teaching...it carries the word of righteousness which is an essential ingredient within all Holy Bibles if they are interpreted righteously. The problem arises when the Holy Bible is being used as a front for image-craft which is people pretending that they are guided by righteousness but in truth they are nothing of the kind. This is what got Jesus slaughtered...but he knew it, and was prepared to show us how evil works...they prefer lies and deceit, and pretending to be righteous is a manifestation of that deceit. Of course that isn't all Christians just many of those leading many Christians...and righteousness is born from the science of loving care for our neighbours...even me, for you, and you, for me. I am demonstrating mine by showing how Jesus Christ's righteous science works...especially as all the signs are indicating that we are living in the last days.
Sinc the NWT is clearly adulterated, created by liars, a deliberate distortion of Scripture, yet you refuse to condemn it, say smuch about you.
Whenever you bleat tripe using 'accurate' again, all we have to do is show that you endorse the deliberate lies and falsehoods of a cult.
Shouldn't the last few posts be preceded by: 'this is what Jesus is supposed to have said'?I had in fact written "according to Luke"
Regards ippy.
The situation becomes even more bizarre when we find that NM endorses the New World 'Translation' as accurate, whilst he - by his own admission - finds the beliefs of the Jehovah's Witnesses who 'translated' it to be "not without errors".
Since we know that our Nick has even less knowledge of Hebrew, Aramaic and Koine Greek than the NWT 'translators', and disagrees with some of their doctrines, we can only conclude that he is a divinely inspired prophet. Or maybe not. :)
Anchorman/Littleroses/Dicky/ippy...
Remember the bit about loving our neighbors, and our enemies, Anchorman. You can't condemn people using such hostility and be considered righteous...nor can you condemn the Holy Bible as having no relationship with science when Almighty God's and Jesus' righteous word is filled with intrigues that only science can explain...things like...In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth...we can qualify this a little further because he also says...in the beginning was the word. So this could easily be transposed into...in the beginning Almighty God devised a science that explains everything about our universal existence and Jesus delivered that science to us in a righteous way which starts and ends with the simple fact that we can harness the same energy that Jesus Christ harnessed for his resurrection...but the science is within the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ and whilst many are being delivered to the threshing floor, we can lift up our hearts knowing that Jesus Christ and Almighty God will intercede if we call upon the name of Jesus because we know him and have learnt his ways so that we can be a part of his righteous science.
NM: Had you looked at the links I posted, you will have noted that one of the liars behind the NWT said, in a court of law - in Glasgow - under oath - that he was fluent in Greek, Hebrew, Latin and French.
When presented with a text from Scripture in Hebrew THE FOLLOWING DAY in court, he admitted he couldn'r translate it at all.
That text, NM, was from Genesis.
Lying under oath makes him a liar and a perjurer....bearing false witness.
You really trust a scripture tranhslated by a liar who couldn't read Hebrew?
How did he translate the Scripture, then?
What 'accurate scientific electrically dynamic' method did he use?
How, NM, can a person who did not know Hebrew translate Hebrew?
If he lied, that makes him a liar.
I don't condemn him; he condemned himself by his actions.
So; how can you trust a Scripture translated by a proven liar, NM?
How can that be an 'accureate' translation in any way, shape or form?
So...you have identified an unchristian Christian...I would like to know more but there are many people in many different congregations who defy God in this way. It doesn't alter, one iota that the Jehovah's Witnesses I meet are very righteous, very honest and very committed...as Jesus was.
Unlike you, both my wife and I have met some particularly 'unrighteous' JWs. My wife particularly has seen the catastrophic effect of their 'unrighteousness' on one notable occasion some years ago when she was a nurse.
So...you have identified an unchristian Christian...I would like to know more but there are many people in many different congregations who defy God in this way. It doesn't alter, one iota that the Jehovah's Witnesses I meet are very righteous, very honest and very committed...as Jesus was.
"Jesus Christ covers all points". Does that include putting your trust in a translation created by people who bore false witness and lied in court?
You are choosing to ignore Anchorman that the Holy Bible is written in a universal langguage which presents a science of love, caring, reppentance and salvation...this is very different to all other languages which are full of animosity...even hatred, so, it doesn't take much effort to interpret Jesus Christ. What he is telling us is that by storing the natural energy within us we walk in the opposite direction of those other languages and inherit meekness which is a property required to receive our inheritance. That is a one to one thing because we each will have to stand for our individual sins and if we are antirighteous I'm afraid we will be found unsuitable for the promised new heavens and new Earth.
You are choosing to ignore Anchorman that the Holy Bible is written in a universal langguage which presents a science of love, caring, reppentance and salvation...this is very different to all other languages which are full of animosity...even hatred, so, it doesn't take much effort to interpret Jesus Christ. What he is telling us is that by storing the natural energy within us we walk in the opposite direction of those other languages and inherit meekness which is a property required to receive our inheritance. That is a one to one thing because we each will have to stand for our individual sins and if we are antirighteous I'm afraid we will be found unsuitable for the promised new heavens and new Earth.
You, NM, are blithely choosing to ignore the fact - FACT - NM, accurate, scientific fact - that we have literally hundreds of manuscripts of the New Testament in Koine Greek - and Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic copies of Old Testament Manuscript fating from the earliest times.
Indeed, the earliest NT MSS'S fragment we have dates to less than fifty years after the Resurrection.
Those who are gifted in linguistics translate those MSS into the Bible we have.
That, NM, has always been the case - do you think Scripture arrived in a black leather binding in English by pure magic?
When a liar admits they don't know Hebrew, but translated Hebrew, would you trust him?
Really?
If you answer yes, then your garbage about 'accuracy' is shown as tripe of the highest order and you make a mockery, both of the Gospel and those gifted in REAL science who translate it today.
Incidentally, NM; why do you fail to provide verifiable evidence to substantiate your assertions? Do you think waffling on will disguise the fact that you either cannot, or will not, do so?
Why do you evade my question as to submitting yourself to your church elders - as per scripture?
You went on about Constantine.
The Scripture - NM - from the Bible - predates Constantine by three centuries.
You claim to urge people to follow Christ accurately but fail to do so yourself.
There's a word for that, NM - a word Christ Himself used.
We all have bad experiences with different people enki. We must always remember that Jesus Christ's righteous code is built upon how we handle our inner strength. It is an invisible inner property that needs constant righteous care so that we don't waste it and aren't drawn into emotional black-holes where arguments and ill-feeling can fester. Jesus Christ covers all points including how evil will dispose of you if you fall foul of their machinations...but resurrection is possible when we get it right.
Jesus Christ covers all points including how evil will dispose of you if you fall foul of their machinations...but resurrection is possible when we get it right.
No one will be getting through to Nick, unfortunately for him he is just as his postings convey.
ippy
Oh, God, I hope not.
(That's a prayer, not an exclamation....)
ippy/Anchorman/torridon/enki/Littleroses...
You are all missing the point...Jesus Christ taught the way of Almighty God. It will not change and that is because it is structured from the fundamental forces of the entire universe and brings everyone onto a single path...This path is genetically rewarding to each and everyone of us because it engages us in the language of righteousness, 'being kind to our neighbours and, thereby, being kind to ourselves' because this hidden spiritual food is controlled by our righteous attitude. Evolution is the direct opposite to this. By struggles and despair life has swerved away from its original state when life had plenty of electrical stimulus, but now even human life must manage on fewer living-cell generators which gave us our health. The only way to correct this imbalance is to fellow special laws...the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.
Unfortunately Jesus warned us of a cut-off point...a natural event that will determine who can be saved and who can't. This event is illustrated in Revelation and is coming into our lives now. Whilst you dispute what is staring you in the face your governments are taking it very seriously indeed because amid lies and deceit and manipulation, they are not telling you what is going on...and to see through these deceits we must go to where we are told absolute truth...the Holy Bible...but read what Almighty God and Jesus Christ tell us not what overpaid clergy tell us, and what Jesus told us is go back to his original teaching just as he told the seven churches in Asia...and thereby be saved.
ippy/Anchorman/torridon/enki/Littleroses...
You are all missing the point...Jesus Christ taught the way of Almighty God. It will not change and that is because it is structured from the fundamental forces of the entire universe and brings everyone onto a single path...This path is genetically rewarding to each and everyone of us because it engages us in the language of righteousness, 'being kind to our neighbours and, thereby, being kind to ourselves' because this hidden spiritual food is controlled by our righteous attitude. Evolution is the direct opposite to this. By struggles and despair life has swerved away from its original state when life had plenty of electrical stimulus, but now even human life must manage on fewer living-cell generators which gave us our health. The only way to correct this imbalance is to fellow special laws...the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.
Unfortunately Jesus warned us of a cut-off point...a natural event that will determine who can be saved and who can't. This event is illustrated in Revelation and is coming into our lives now. Whilst you dispute what is staring you in the face your governments are taking it very seriously indeed because amid lies and deceit and manipulation, they are not telling you what is going on...and to see through these deceits we must go to where we are told absolute truth...the Holy Bible...but read what Almighty God and Jesus Christ tell us not what overpaid clergy tell us, and what Jesus told us is go back to his original teaching just as he told the seven churches in Asia...and thereby be saved.
So how exactly do you know that the government is taking this seriously ? It seems to me the UK government at least is more preoccupied with Brexit currently. Is that all some kind of front so that we don't notice our real impending doom ?
You too torri have ignored all the chemtrails that have been poured out above your head for a very long time now. The very same phenomenon that has many observers, including respectable and responsible scientists, outraged, globally. The very same reason that we cannot see stars in their natural setting anymore. The very same reason that will soon injure our health in serious and significant ways...all to hide a Biblically described celestial event which has been selling luxury bunkers in the US like hotcakes...you really must tune in to it all torri before it's too late. But if you will be guided by Jesus Christ...you will have much less to get too concerned about because his teaching offers resurrection, if and when required.
The Government is taking your nonsense seriously, REALLY? ::)
The Government is taking your nonsense seriously, REALLY? ::)
A sarcy quip won't alter the facts Littleroses...and burying your head in the sand will be about as useful as these terrible clouds descending into our breathing space which they are sure to do. It is perhaps better for you do some research on youtube to hear what many people are saying because this is the only media which currently will tell you about these events...unless, of course, you are happy to let these things pass unchallenged. It is perhaps the same reasoning behind Gosport...who knows??
What I do know is that no matter how terrible things become we will still have Jesus Christ to guide us through these terrible times...providing we are listening to him.
A sarcy quip won't alter the facts Littleroses...and burying your head in the sand will be about as useful as these terrible clouds descending into our breathing space which they are sure to do. It is perhaps better for you do some research on youtube to hear what many people are saying because this is the only media which currently will tell you about these events...unless, of course, you are happy to let these things pass unchallenged. It is perhaps the same reasoning behind Gosport...who knows??
What I do know is that no matter how terrible things become we will still have Jesus Christ to guide us through these terrible times...providing we are listening to him.
What have chemtrails got to do with anything ? They are caused by civil aviation, nothing remarkable about that, not like it has gotten so bad that the skies are blocking out the stars.
How do you know the government is taking your claims seriously ? What evidence do you have of that ?
These so called 'facts' are not verifiable, they are all in your mind.
A sarcy quip won't alter the facts Littleroses...and burying your head in the sand will be about as useful as these terrible clouds descending into our breathing space which they are sure to do. It is perhaps better for you do some research on youtube to hear what many people are saying because this is the only media which currently will tell you about these events...unless, of course, you are happy to let these things pass unchallenged. It is perhaps the same reasoning behind Gosport...who knows??
What I do know is that no matter how terrible things become we will still have Jesus Christ to guide us through these terrible times...providing we are listening to him.
They are also in the minds of many others because they are seeing and experiencing various aspects of it themselves. It is a well known tactic to just jibe to get a difficult point scrubbed...but it is your health and future happiness and others around you who will rue the day you refused to listen because you wont alter the truth Littleroses.
I challenge you to provide some real, peer reviewed evidence to back up your assertions.
Inane tripe from you tube does not count unless it can be verified by reputable scientists.
Go on, just this once......
Nicholas would you please answer Little Roses question from a few posts back in which she asks whether or not you would allow a child of yours to have a life-saving blood transfusion. I've been waiting for you to answer her and I haven't yet seen an answer unless I've missed it.
I would also like to ask whether you believed those who are not saved at the end will just cease to be or experience conscious torment.
Thank you.
Nicholas would you please answer Little Roses question from a few posts back in which she asks whether or not you would allow a child of yours to have a life-saving blood transfusion. I've been waiting for you to answer her and I haven't yet seen an answer unless I've missed it.
I would also like to ask whether you believed those who are not saved at the end will just cease to be or experience conscious torment.
Thank you.
Try this for size Anchorman...but there are many, many others. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPnWaBsMYnY
NM has posted on this forum for a very long time, and does not answer the questions asked of him by other posters.
Blood transfusions are a tricky issue Robbie...It really depends upon your level of faith...you see,
Try this for size Anchorman...but there are many, many others. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPnWaBsMYnY
Try this for size Anchorman...but there are many, many others. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPnWaBsMYnY
I get a bit scared at the atheist fundie approach which goes down the child abuse in telling kids what you believe. It seems a parody of my upgringing, and one which people seem to want to indulge in without any reference to reality.
Look up into the skies torri and see for yourself what many responsible scientists have been saying for sometime now. Then tune in to them on youtube. See what other observers are seeing...the alarming UV rates penetrating the Earth...The unusual and ever-changing states of the sun...plus much more...before it is removed from youtube which is how the trend seem to be going. The constant flooding all over the world, the animal die-offs, and other devastating events...some of them man-made. But that is up to you...if you can't be saved well...I'm sorry because the fiery lake of sulphur is amongst all those great tribulations...and eternal damnation not an experience I would recommend.
You see, arguments cause wars and there will be no more wars in Jesus Christ's new heaven and new Earth but there will be plenty of people who will enjoy it because of their righteous stance beforehand.
Now, 2000 years later we are in a new position...a celestial group of orbiting bodies are descending upon our sun...one will be the fiery lake of sulphur, and when it centrifugally escapes the hold of planet Earth it will do exactly what Revelation 21:8 describes...it will snatch the electric forms that have no righteous strength because of their lies, deceit, murders, frauds and other sinful acts and snatch them into its belly where they will be left in the ether of that planet forever more...its just a fact of life...that the Son of Almighty God has warned us about.
Evidence please, post up the evidence that there is a group of orbiting bodies descending on the Sun. I have worked in astronomy and still have connections and if what you claim were true I would know about these bodies already. In fact we all would know about them. Last night I was talking with scientists from ESA's Gaia program http://sci.esa.int/gaia/ (http://sci.esa.int/gaia/) and got to examine Gaia's photometric array at close quarters with which we have mapped 1.7 billion celestial objects with unprecedented accuracy. How come with such vast detailed data on what is out there we have managed to miss these 'orbiting bodies' that you seem to know about.
Evidence please, post it up or retract your claim and apologise.
My first point of evidence is what I have seen with my own eyes...many planes spewing out huge amounts of disgusting fumes...you could have seen them as well but you are not looking else you have other motives for not seeing them. The sun is glaring like a white spotlight which any older person knows is unnatural and its shape is everchanging from large to small to elongated and to being obscured by these offensive unnatural cloud formations . We used to say red sky at night shepherds delight but now, for a very long time there is always an enormous reddish tint at sunset all over the the western sky. There is so much evidence on YouTube that to just turn your back on it is unforgivable. It all meets with practices and patents held in the US regarding geoengineering beside which there are huge amounts of chaos springing up all around the world. So...besides seeing it all for myself via various research methods...besides concerned people including scientists making the same observations, and despite it all being written of in the Holy Bible...I suggest that all the underground building work to store the salvation expectations and protection plans of the elite is a strong point of evidence too...I have a solid case, torrid.
Refusal to accept the evidence isn't evidence.
My first point of evidence is what I have seen with my own eyes...many planes spewing out huge amounts of disgusting fumes...you could have seen them as well but you are not looking else you have other motives for not seeing them. The sun is glaring like a white spotlight which any older person knows is unnatural and its shape is everchanging from large to small to elongated and to being obscured by these offensive unnatural cloud formations . We used to say red sky at night shepherds delight but now, for a very long time there is always an enormous reddish tint at sunset all over the the western sky. There is so much evidence on YouTube that to just turn your back on it is unforgivable. It all meets with practices and patents held in the US regarding geoengineering beside which there are huge amounts of chaos springing up all around the world. So...besides seeing it all for myself via various research methods...besides concerned people including scientists making the same observations, and despite it all being written of in the Holy Bible...I suggest that all the underground building work to store the salvation expectations and protection plans of the elite is a strong point of evidence too...I have a solid case, torrid.
Refusal to accept the evidence isn't evidence.
Evidence please, post up the evidence that there is a group of orbiting bodies descending on the Sun. I have worked in astronomy and still have connections and if what you claim were true I would know about these bodies already. In fact we all would know about them. Last night I was talking with scientists from ESA's Gaia program http://sci.esa.int/gaia/ (http://sci.esa.int/gaia/) and got to examine Gaia's photometric array at close quarters with which we have mapped 1.7 billion celestial objects with unprecedented accuracy. How come with such vast detailed data on what is out there we have managed to miss these 'orbiting bodies' that you seem to know about.
Evidence please, post it up or retract your claim and apologise.
My first point of evidence is what I have seen with my own eyes...many planes spewing out huge amounts of disgusting fumes...you could have seen them as well but you are not looking else you have other motives for not seeing them. The sun is glaring like a white spotlight which any older person knows is unnatural and its shape is everchanging from large to small to elongated and to being obscured by these offensive unnatural cloud formations . We used to say red sky at night shepherds delight but now, for a very long time there is always an enormous reddish tint at sunset all over the the western sky. There is so much evidence on YouTube that to just turn your back on it is unforgivable. It all meets with practices and patents held in the US regarding geoengineering beside which there are huge amounts of chaos springing up all around the world. So...besides seeing it all for myself via various research methods...besides concerned people including scientists making the same observations, and despite it all being written of in the Holy Bible...I suggest that all the underground building work to store the salvation expectations and protection plans of the elite is a strong point of evidence too...I have a solid case, torrid.
Refusal to accept the evidence isn't evidence.
Evidence?
You're asking NM for Evidence?
You'll be lucky....I've tried that.
He seems to thing supposition and speculation coupled with youtube clips constitute evidence.
A couple of pages (or lifetimes) ago on this thread, I asked hime to come up with evidence to support oppression of Israel in Egypt. Not a jot, not a tittle. He hasn't even had the decency to apologise for his unsupported assertion.
I predict you'll get the usual waffle.
Oppression has its own voice Anchorman...it's rarely written about because those who organise oppression usually do all the writing. But here are clues, when one man can talk to many and get their attention because they are all in emotional turmoil. They all followed Moses because he offered the best option. We see similar cries for help all through history but oppressors have found a way around it...pretend they are speaking for Jesus Christ and/or Almighty God then carry on regardless...just like today.Which part of the word "evidence" don't you understand, NM? Here's an example of a thread - my thread, but that's not important - where evidence - real evidence - is produced. Try doing something similar, please. http://www.religionethics.co.uk/index.php?topic=13684.msg667615;topicseen#msg667615
Oppression has its own voice Anchorman...it's rarely written about because those who organise oppression usually do all the writing. But here are clues, when one man can talk to many and get their attention because they are all in emotional turmoil. They all followed Moses because he offered the best option. We see similar cries for help all through history but oppressors have found a way around it...pretend they are speaking for Jesus Christ and/or Almighty God then carry on regardless...just like today.
There have been many people in history who got the attention of others BIG TIME, and had many followers, like Hitler, for instance.
I'll get back to you later Anchorman because it deserves a deeper thought process...but following leaders Littleroses is what we are all good at...but if you follow the chain of command of the tyrants you find the same pattern emerging because it is a manufactured following designed by people who see no harm in manipulating other people by their distress...This is how Jesus and Moses are different they didn't create that distress they identified it and showed us how soothing and calming that distress could aid us through enormous problems like slavery, crucifixion and resurrection.
My first point of evidence is what I have seen with my own eyes...many planes spewing out huge amounts of disgusting fumes...you could have seen them as well but you are not looking else you have other motives for not seeing them. The sun is glaring like a white spotlight which any older person knows is unnatural and its shape is everchanging from large to small to elongated and to being obscured by these offensive unnatural cloud formations . We used to say red sky at night shepherds delight but now, for a very long time there is always an enormous reddish tint at sunset all over the the western sky. There is so much evidence on YouTube that to just turn your back on it is unforgivable. It all meets with practices and patents held in the US regarding geoengineering beside which there are huge amounts of chaos springing up all around the world. So...besides seeing it all for myself via various research methods...besides concerned people including scientists making the same observations, and despite it all being written of in the Holy Bible...I suggest that all the underground building work to store the salvation expectations and protection plans of the elite is a strong point of evidence too...I have a solid case, torrid.
Refusal to accept the evidence isn't evidence.
My aunt and uncle are JWs. They live in the West Country and rescue cats. Not noticeably evil.
Looks as though he has answered our two questions Little Roses.
Thank you NM. I wondered because some seem to think you are a JW, or did think it, and I've been reading up on that particular sect from their own websites. Found this which explains their take on the Lake of Fire, different to yours:-
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2002521
(By the way a new film due for release soon called 'Apostasy' is about Jehovah's Witnesses, particularly one family. It's a UK film. Looks interesting, I've seen the trailer.)
My aunt and uncle are JWs. They live in the West Country and rescue cats. Not noticeably evil.
However, if they are JWs as you say, they are likely to prefer someone to die rather than be given donated blood, which is an evil concept.
No it isn't. It's a deeply misguided one.
There have been many people in history who got the attention of others BIG TIME, and had many followers, like Hitler, for instance.
Of course it is evil, to withhold a life saving blood transfusion which results in a death. How many innocent children have died over the years because their JW parents refused to allow them to be given donated blood? I am glad the courts can overrule them these days.
I agree the courts should overrule the parents, but it still isn’t evil if someone genuinely believes what they are doing is to save the soul of the ill person. Misguided, stupid, ignorant, yes, all of those... not evil though. The intent is not to harm.
Of course it is evil, to withhold a life saving blood transfusion which results in a death. How many innocent children have died over the years because their JW parents refused to allow them to be given donated blood? I am glad the courts can overrule them these days.
I disagree, the intent is to harm if death is the inevitable result of not having a transfusion.
Which just shows how little you understand about how beliefs work.How some beliefs work is that the stupid beliefs of some stupid cunts cause innocent victims - not always, but typically and tragically children - of other people's stupid ideas to die.
I disagree, the intent is to harm if death is the inevitable result of not having a transfusion.
How some beliefs work is that the stupid beliefs of some stupid cunts cause innocent victims - not always, but typically and tragically children - of other people's stupid ideas to die.Which doesn't make them evil - but welcome back and hope all is well with you.
Which doesn't make them evil - but welcome back and hope all is well with you.You have a different definition of evil to mine.
You have a different definition of evil to mine.Quite possibly, I've covered what mine is, what is your definition?
How some beliefs work is that the stupid beliefs of some stupid cunts cause innocent victims - not always, but typically and tragically children - of other people's stupid ideas to die.
I understand that much.
Except they think it is less harm than losing the consequences for the soul. You have talked before of your smacking children in certain circumstances. By your combined logic, i.e. Any action that brings harm is evil, even if it is seen as a leader harm, then you are evil.
Now I don't think you are evil, I just think you are misguided. Same with the JWs. That the consequences are worse doesn't change the principle. Evil is knowing that it is worse than the alternative and still doing it.
Religion can be used by an abusive parent, seen it first hand, but then so can education, ideas about 'healthy living' , politics... anything really.I would say that far from being bollockry, children raised in a religion are less likely to have critical thinking skills for precisely and exactly that reason; because religion has precisely zero to do with critical thinking skills. Get that shit in early, and it's hard to get out again. Not impossible, but difficult compared to the alternative.
It's utter bollockry to suggest that a child raised in religion will lack critical thinking and won't be able to decide for themselves. .
The decline in religious belief reflects people doing exactly thatThis not only seems to me to be arse about face, but I think there is hard evidence to this effect. The decline in religious belief is not because kids are being raised with a religion as much as they have ever been but then seeing through it as the festering horseshit that it actually is, but because kids aren't being raised in a religion at all in the first place.
Ah, so decline among religion is because of high birth rates among atheists...Indeed. But it's not as I say; Prof. Diddy did the hard yards and crunched the numbers. That's his thing. The take-home message is that those raised with a religion (in Western secular liberal democracies) is the lowest it has ever been. Those raised in no religious tradition or belief is the highest it's ever been.
As you say, retention rates are low. People raised with religion still decide it’s bollockry. I did.
Evil is knowing that it is worse than the alternative and still doing it.Diet-dependent, condition dependent (of course), typically type II diabetes can be controlled (at best) by a carefully monitored diet and, if not that, carefully monitored diet with insulin injections.
Indeed. But it's not as I say; Prof. Diddy did the hard yards and crunched the numbers. That's his thing. The take-home message is that those raised with a religion (in Western secular liberal democracies) is the lowest it has ever been. Those raised in no religious tradition or belief is the highest it's ever been.
We used to have the majority of the population as believers.Yup. Unfortunately, but yes.
It’s the parents, grandparents and great grandparents who used their critical thinking to decide that they didn’t like what the church stands for or teaches.Diminishing returns. Emphasis on both words. And not in the usual sense of getting out more over time than you put in, but the opposite: diminished religion (the bad stuff), but the greater returns.
Today’s unbelief is their legacy and it will continue to growThank so much goodness, yes.
I agree with you Rhi, there's plenty of good in JWs. People always latch on to the blood transfusion business as if it is the only thing they believe in. As you say, they are misguided but so is everyone in one way or another.
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Not just "these days" but for a very long time. I don't know how many innocent children or anybody at all died over the years in the past because of refusing a blood transfusion, do you know? I'll try and find out.
https://www.quora.com/How-many-Jehovahs-Witnesses-die-prematurely-every-year-because-they-refuse-blood-transfusions
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We used to have the majority of the population as believers. It’s the parents, grandparents and great grandparents who used their critical thinking to decide that they didn’t like what the church stands for or teaches. Today’s unbelief is their legacy and it will continue to grow; of my cousins and myself, all raised religious, only one still believes.But, with hindsight, what an utter waste of valuable critical thinking time believing that there was a God for so long. What should have happened in education is that we should have been taught all about religious beliefs, not direct belief in some God.
But, with hindsight, what an utter waste of valuable critical thinking time believing that there was a God for so long. What should have happened in education is that we should have been taught all about religious beliefs, not direct belief in some God.
Hi Robbie,
I'm not going to get involved with any discussion on the word 'evil' as I consider the word to have too many distasteful connotations, especially religious ones. I rarely, if ever, use the word, not even as an emotional reaction, if I can help it.
However I will comment on the part of your post that I have quoted above. Think of it as part of your research.
In the sixties, my wife was a nurse and not long after our first child was born she told me a rather horrendous story. On her ward a young(about 15 years old) boy had been brought in who had a severe case of bleeding in the joints(hemarthrosis). This could be treated with certain drugs, but because he had lost so much blood, he desperately needed a blood transfusion. His parents were JWs and flatly refused either the drugs or the transfusions. My wife saw and heard them praying, kneeling at his bedside, asking their god to help him and to give them the strength to reject the doctors' advice that he needed certain drugs and a blood transfusion(actually more than one}. My wife also told me that when his parents weren't on the ward, he told her that he didn't want to die. He was in great pain. A few days later he died, and all the nurses were shocked by this rather traumatic event. In fact my wife was one of the nurses who helped lay him out.
Although I had known this for many years, I asked my wife to recollect the facts surrounding this event, so this account is basically what she told me a couple of days ago when the subject of blood transfusions came up in this thread.
But, with hindsight, what an utter waste of valuable critical thinking time believing that there was a God for so long. What should have happened in education is that we should have been taught all about religious beliefs, not direct belief in some God.Critical thinking is usually suppressed by thought control processes organised by the few to manipulate the many. It is more often than not based upon reward and punishment, success and failure, often in subtle forms. Not only does it appear in religious organisations but also in politics where there are extreme forms like Nazism and Communism and in business with more subtle forms of mass marketing. It wouldn't surprise me to find it in education. Now, with the mass communication opportunities of the Internet and mobile phone technology, the world is their oyster.
Ok, so here's a thing. My critical thinking skills got me to the point where the nuts and bolts of Christianity didn't work for me. But I still experienced God as real, just something that I had to lose my dogmatic ideas about. Then, one day, the feeling of realness stopped, like a light switch being flipped. It was there one minute, then it wasn't, and it scared me witless at the time.Perhaps the thing to ask is, you had an real experience but what made you name it 'God' and you said it was a feeling, can you indicate the nature of that feeling and would you want it repeated?
Looking back on it, the only way it makes sense is to think that my brain was firing on a 'god is real' wiring, and something made that stop; it literally was like a switch going off in my brain. No idea what made that happen (I wasn't in a crisis of any kind, there was no physical injury or illness or a big life change), or why it was so sudden, but it is the only thing that makes sense.
Ok, so here's a thing. My critical thinking skills got me to the point where the nuts and bolts of Christianity didn't work for me. But I still experienced God as real, just something that I had to lose my dogmatic ideas about. Then, one day, the feeling of realness stopped, like a light switch being flipped. It was there one minute, then it wasn't, and it scared me witless at the time.
Looking back on it, the only way it makes sense is to think that my brain was firing on a 'god is real' wiring, and something made that stop; it literally was like a switch going off in my brain. No idea what made that happen (I wasn't in a crisis of any kind, there was no physical injury or illness or a big life change), or why it was so sudden, but it is the only thing that makes sense.
enki/ekim/Rhainnon/Littleroses/SusanDoris/Robbie/Shaker/NearlySane/Anchorman...
The over-riding fact you are all dismissing and which is vitally important to each and everyone of us is that we each have a spirit...an electrical being that resides within us as a natural property that can grow in righteousness, else fail, because of the abuse it is subjected to...or, as the Bible likes to call it...sin.
This spiritual energy is what Jesus lived and died showing us about...It is an indestructible energy, as it needs to be to create stars and atoms...but it is also very gentle, very caring and very loving. The harshness of this world causes us to become hard-hearted but it doesn't alter the fact that Jesus Christ's method of operation can soothe and calm the genetic distress we inflict upon ourselves if we follow him accurately...as he, and he alone says we should. We would then find that our new meekness is a radio frequency that allows this spiritual water to reach into the genetic chaos we call our health in a wonderful way...but quietly and calmly following the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ is an imperative...and those that do, as Jesus himself said...will never die.
enki/ekim/Rhainnon/Littleroses/SusanDoris/Robbie/Shaker/NearlySane/Anchorman...
The over-riding fact you are all dismissing and which is vitally important to each and everyone of us is that we each have a spirit...an electrical being that resides within us as a natural property that can grow in righteousness, else fail, because of the abuse it is subjected to...or, as the Bible likes to call it...sin.
This spiritual energy is what Jesus lived and died showing us about...It is an indestructible energy, as it needs to be to create stars and atoms...but it is also very gentle, very caring and very loving. The harshness of this world causes us to become hard-hearted but it doesn't alter the fact that Jesus Christ's method of operation can soothe and calm the genetic distress we inflict upon ourselves if we follow him accurately...as he, and he alone says we should. We would then find that our new meekness is a radio frequency that allows this spiritual water to reach into the genetic chaos we call our health in a wonderful way...but quietly and calmly following the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ is an imperative...and those that do, as Jesus himself said...will never die.
enki/ekim/Rhainnon/Littleroses/SusanDoris/Robbie/Shaker/NearlySane/Anchorman...
The over-riding fact you are all dismissing and which is vitally important to each and everyone of us is that we each have a spirit...an electrical being that resides within us as a natural property that can grow in righteousness, else fail, because of the abuse it is subjected to...or, as the Bible likes to call it...sin.
Gordon/Anchorman/torri...
Of course, if you haven't read the teaching of Jesus Christ then you are already at a disadvantage
Gordon/Anchorman/torri...
Of course, if you haven't read the teaching of Jesus Christ then you are already at a disadvantage...because he wanted us to know that our inner electrical spirit is the work-horse of the human being. Jesus exclusively talks of it as our, his, and Almighty God's spirit...but I have incorporated it into the electric nature of the universe...because it is all the same energy doing variations of the same work. We wouldn't know about it if it wasn't for Jesus Christ showing us how resurrection works. He returned to his own righteous vessel but we are placed in new vessels just as the wine-maker puts his new wine into new vessels...remember that one Anchorman. Also remember how Jesus descended into the bowels of hell (the ether) declaring he had snatched the keys of life and death out of Satan's hand. This tells us that we all go into the ether regardless, but unless we follow the righteous path of Jesus Christ beforehand, we stay there.
We can paste our own profile on our own righteous spirit, and live according to the special righteous laws which will, ultimately, when we have got it right...give us everlasting. life.
Apparently, everyone existing in the ether will have one last chance because everyone will be called back for God's Judgement...but I would suggest we don't leave it to chance...especially when we have been warned about a grave danger lurking within our immediate future.
Gordon/Anchorman/torri...I guess most posters have read the Gospels, so don't be so condescending just because most people do not share your bizarre interpretations of them. There is nothing in there to suggest an indwelling electrical spirit and there is nothing in medical science to support that either. If it were true we would be able to measure the flow of current and voltage with an ammeter.
Of course, if you haven't read the teaching of Jesus Christ then you are already at a disadvantage...because he wanted us to know that our inner electrical spirit is the work-horse of the human being. Jesus exclusively talks of it as our, his, and Almighty God's spirit...but I have incorporated it into the electric nature of the universe...because it is all the same energy doing variations of the same work. We wouldn't know about it if it wasn't for Jesus Christ showing us how resurrection works. He returned to his own righteous vessel but we are placed in new vessels just as the wine-maker puts his new wine into new vessels...remember that one Anchorman. Also remember how Jesus descended into the bowels of hell (the ether) declaring he had snatched the keys of life and death out of Satan's hand. This tells us that we all go into the ether regardless, but unless we follow the righteous path of Jesus Christ beforehand, we stay there.
We can paste our own profile on our own righteous spirit, and live according to the special righteous laws which will, ultimately, when we have got it right...give us everlasting. life.
Apparently, everyone existing in the ether will have one last chance because everyone will be called back for God's Judgement...but I would suggest we don't leave it to chance...especially when we have been warned about a grave danger lurking within our immediate future.
torridon/Anchorman/Gordon...
If you don't mind, I would like to take a little diversion for the moment. It concerns the birth of planets...something I have mentioned a few times here but no one has ever seen one born, until now...and guess what?? It emerged in the vicinity of a newly born star and has NASA scientists perplexed. Anyway it justifies my electric mechanics of the universe and I can fill in the missing details.
It is a youtube video from Secureteam which delivers lots of useful information. It is 15 mins long broken up into 3 parts and though the outer parts are interesting the part I am directing you to starts at 5.55 mins.
His claim is that this is the first time a planet's birth has been witnessed and uses NASA evidence of it...enjoy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuFnDQDAMvM
Notice how the planet...and maybe other planets are forming from the debris that has been spewed out of the newly forming star. Such a star is dense energy which easily forms hydrogen atoms but solar pressures cause heavier atoms to form more centrally. Because the majority of atoms are hydrogen they monopolise what happens next...The star is pregnant with heavier atoms and spews them out as slag, but in the process drags out many hydrogen atoms some of which aren't fully formed...hence the electric generators of the living cell are born in their trillions, attaching themselves to hydrogen atoms in the first instant and coalescing into planets in the second instance...of course the whole story is much bigger than this...and Jesus Christ is a wonderful spiritual guide because he knows all there is to know about these things.
What makes you think NASA are perplexed by this?
Well, I would be perplexed if I had been giving out inaccurate information as true then find out that the evidence says something else...which centres upon a universe made from Almighty God's 'dynamic energy.'
torridon/Anchorman/Gordon...
If you don't mind, I would like to take a little diversion for the moment. It concerns the birth of planets...something I have mentioned a few times here but no one has ever seen one born, until now...and guess what?? It emerged in the vicinity of a newly born star and has NASA scientists perplexed. Anyway it justifies my electric mechanics of the universe and I can fill in the missing details.
It is a youtube video from Secureteam which delivers lots of useful information. It is 15 mins long broken up into 3 parts and though the outer parts are interesting the part I am directing you to starts at 5.55 mins.
His claim is that this is the first time a planet's birth has been witnessed and uses NASA evidence of it...enjoy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuFnDQDAMvM
Notice how the planet...and maybe other planets are forming from the debris that has been spewed out of the newly forming star. Such a star is dense energy which easily forms hydrogen atoms but solar pressures cause heavier atoms to form more centrally. Because the majority of atoms are hydrogen they monopolise what happens next...The star is pregnant with heavier atoms and spews them out as slag, but in the process drags out many hydrogen atoms some of which aren't fully formed...hence the electric generators of the living cell are born in their trillions, attaching themselves to hydrogen atoms in the first instant and coalescing into planets in the second instance...of course the whole story is much bigger than this...and Jesus Christ is a wonderful spiritual guide because he knows all there is to know about these things.
Well, I would be perplexed if I had been giving out inaccurate information as true then find out that the evidence says something else...which centres upon a universe made from Almighty God's 'dynamic energy.'
What inaccurate information?
Honestly Maeight, you're so clueless, haven't you caught up yet? Anything we don't know we used to ask Mr Google, I know it's the same people running YouTube but combined with ask Google YouTube gives us the pictorial demonstrations of anything you need to know or don't want to know too, it's particularly good at demonstrating the cause and effects of dynamic electrical energy.
Anything you can't find on Google just go back over a few episodes of 'Star Trek' you'll find a lot of answers demonstrated there especially when combined with the original series of 'Flash Gordon', why you haven't managed to keep up to speed on these matters, well I don't know?
Makes as much sense to me as another alternative that's none too far away.
Regards ippy
ippy/Maeght/Robbie/Anchorman...
Something quite astounding just happened...a planet was seen to be born
....and in so doing my science was vindicated...
...and all the tendrils that reach out from that indisputable fact says that Almighty God and Jesus Christ are in Heaven orchestrating their own plans which all revolve around some pretty delicate scientific facts...one of which is that this indestructible energy sparked our lives as well within Almighty God's universal laboratory. We, therefore have a spiritual identity that cannot die. It can be locked in the ether...it can be resurrected, and it can be snatched into the electrical mechanics of a passing rogue celestial body, made of fiery sulphur, but that only seems to appeal to the unrighteous.
ippy/Maeght/Robbie/Anchorman...
Something quite astounding just happened...a planet was seen to be born and in so doing my science was vindicated...and all the tendrils that reach out from that indisputable fact says that Almighty God and Jesus Christ are in Heaven orchestrating their own plans which all revolve around some pretty delicate scientific facts...one of which is that this indestructible energy sparked our lives as well within Almighty God's universal laboratory. We, therefore have a spiritual identity that cannot die. It can be locked in the ether...it can be resurrected, and it can be snatched into the electrical mechanics of a passing rogue celestial body, made of fiery sulphur, but that only seems to appeal to the unrighteous.
Anchorman/Seb/torri/Robby/Maeght...
The point you are overlooking is that if I am right here then I am perhaps right in many other areas as well and which all unifies into one huge, magnificent, wonderful science, which I extracted from the Holy Bible...and in particular, the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ who concentrates exclusively upon the part of us that never dies...our internal, electrical self, which follows Almighty God's code of righteousness without hindrance...only we can hinder that progress by our lack of faith in the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.
Anchorman/Seb/torri/Robby/Maeght...
The point you are overlooking is that if I am right here then I am perhaps right in many other areas as well and which all unifies into one huge, magnificent, wonderful science, which I extracted from the Holy Bible...and in particular, the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ who concentrates exclusively upon the part of us that never dies...our internal, electrical self, which follows Almighty God's code of righteousness without hindrance...only we can hinder that progress by our lack of faith in the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.
if I am right here
Anchorman/Seb/torri/Robby/Maeght...
The point you are overlooking is that if I am right here then I am perhaps right in many other areas as well and which all unifies into one huge, magnificent, wonderful science, which I extracted from the Holy Bible...and in particular, the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ who concentrates exclusively upon the part of us that never dies...our internal, electrical self, which follows Almighty God's code of righteousness without hindrance...only we can hinder that progress by our lack of faith in the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.
Robbie/Maeght/Seb/torri/Anchorman/Be Rational...
When we finally realise that it is the electric laws of the universe that are the first laws behind all science we realise what Jesus Christ was actually teaching us. He was telling us that Almighty God is the owner of all those first laws and that God is very active in them because every single action in the universe is a response to those electric laws and God, being, himself, a spirit, is a living limb of all that energy and speaks on its behalf. We are too, but we have broken away from its usefulness by our sinful nature...that is using our inner spiritual nature in ways that alters our genetic patterning...which means that by changing our attitude towards Jesus Christ and righteousness we harness that energy in a wonderful way even reattach ourselves to the vine.
It's no good fighting it..that just means we will fall foul of all those wonderful promises made by Jesus, and at risk of falling into the trap Jesus warned us about.
Did you get yout theology out of a lucky bag?
Robbie/Maeght/Seb/torri/Anchorman/Be Rational...
When we finally realise that it is the electric laws of the universe that are the first laws behind all science we realise what Jesus Christ was actually teaching us. He was telling us that Almighty God is the owner of all those first laws and that God is very active in them because every single action in the universe is a response to those electric laws and God, being, himself, a spirit, is a living limb of all that energy and speaks on its behalf. We are too, but we have broken away from its usefulness by our sinful nature...that is using our inner spiritual nature in ways that alters our genetic patterning...which means that by changing our attitude towards Jesus Christ and righteousness we harness that energy in a wonderful way even reattach ourselves to the vine.
It's no good fighting it..that just means we will fall foul of all those wonderful promises made by Jesus, and at risk of falling into the trap Jesus warned us about.
Robbie/Maeght/Seb/torri/Anchorman/Be Rational...
When we finally realise that it is the electric laws of the universe that are the first laws behind all science ....
Well, I would be perplexed if I had been giving out inaccurate information as true then find out that the evidence says something else...which centres upon a universe made from Almighty God's 'dynamic energy.'
What inaccurate information had NASA been giving out ?
Fair enough, you have answered according to your lights but most people will want more than what you teach, Nicholas. Theories must be tried and tested with more than one (or two) people testifying. If you could come up with more than you've said, you might be taken more seriously even if people still didn't agree with you. You must offer up more!
Well...for one...that they can do exactly what they want with no regard for Almighty God...but here, more specifically, they said planets formed out of space debris that sauntered around space...Where does this space debris come from?
whereas I have taught you that a newly forming star is a newly forming atom-producing furnace that spews out heavy atoms at the time of its birth, and, apparently, continues to do so, and in the case of our star...continues to do so, in a fashion, every 11 years...but you all seem pretty good at failing to join the dots.The sun spews out heavy atoms every 11 years?
Where does this space debris come from?
The sun spews out heavy atoms every 11 years?
Which heavy atoms?
In what quantities?
How do you detect them?
Stick to the Gospel, NM. Don't adulterate it with pseudoscientific waffle, please.
Well...for one...that they can do exactly what they want with no regard for Almighty God...but here, more specifically, they said planets formed out of space debris that sauntered around space..
Scientists think planets, including the ones in our solar system, likely start off as grains of dust smaller than the width of a human hair. They emerge from the giant, donut-shaped disk of gas and dust that circles young stars.
https://nasaviz.gsfc.nasa.gov/12278
I have put a lot of hard work into proving that everything Jesus said and did is 100% correct....
...and worth organising our own individual lives around...so, in the words of Jesus...I will continue to the very end and claim my crown.
That's ok Seb...you think Jesus Christ never existed but you are both wrong. In actual fact it's really quite clever because if something spewed out of the sun as I say the main body of atoms that became planet Earth did...then why didn't they just keep going??
Well now we have to challenge what is said about orbital motion...and it is very different to how it is perceived.
There are 3 separate forces involved in orbital motion all forces playing different parts in the exercise of a planet orbiting the star of its birth...but, hey, we are running ahead of ourselves.
Sometimes you are expected to use your own initiative Seb...but I will help. Every 11 years our sun goes into a solar-max where it is very active spewing out plasma and creating many sun-spots upon its surface. My understanding is that this is remnant of our early sun when it spewed out planet Earth, in whatever crude form it may have been in, from out of its belly...and this opens the door for many scientific facts not yet known by scientists but Biblically, very valid indeed.
You ignore the fact Robbie, that I get all my inspiration from the Holy Bible, which for the last 2000 years has held a powerful following...just by telling the true and unabridged version of Jesus Christ's life, death, and resurrection. It is by picking out the clues given in that wonderful and reliable book that we know that at the root of all knowledge, all science, and the whole of Jesus Christ's teaching, is a superabundant, dynamic energy, which we are trained from our infancy to ignore yet holds the key to repair, resurrection, and everlasting life...but, for that, we have got to adjust to the science of righteousness...as Jesus, alone, taught us.
I have put a lot of hard work into proving that everything Jesus said and did is 100% correct and worth organising our own individual lives around...so, in the words of Jesus...I will continue to the very end and claim my crown.
Ive also read the Bible quite thoroughly Nick. It might be helpful if you could help me pick up on things I've missed.
Gordon...
Gravity certainly plays a part Gordon...but what is gravity?? A force that tugs on mass millions of miles away regardless and tugs that secondary mass back on course even though it was previously going in the opposite direction away from the main force of gravity, often at very high speeds. I used pendulum-motion to find out what really happens, so you can too. Don't be perplexed if you don't work it out...scientists far better at it than you and I have missed it...but it holds up under my scrutiny...according to the electric nature of the universe.
I have put a lot of hard work into proving that everything Jesus said and did is 100% correct and worth organising our own individual lives around...so, in the words of Jesus...I will continue to the very end and claim my crown.
Unless you can produce valid, peer reviewef evidence which will stand up to scrutiny, you can spend all the time you want asserting things.
Assertions do not constitute proof.
Gordon...Capital B, ollocks
Gravity certainly plays a part Gordon...but what is gravity?? A force that tugs on mass millions of miles away regardless and tugs that secondary mass back on course even though it was previously going in the opposite direction away from the main force of gravity, often at very high speeds. I used pendulum-motion to find out what really happens, so you can too. Don't be perplexed if you don't work it out...scientists far better at it than you and I have missed it...but it holds up under my scrutiny...according to the electric nature of the universe.
Well...for one...that they can do exactly what they want with no regard for Almighty God...but here, more specifically, they said planets formed out of space debris that sauntered around space...whereas I have taught you that a newly forming star is a newly forming atom-producing furnace that spews out heavy atoms at the time of its birth, and, apparently, continues to do so, and in the case of our star...continues to do so, in a fashion, every 11 years...but you all seem pretty good at failing to join the dots.
The big-bang is sponsored by NASA but this isn't the whole story and all the energy in the universe that NASA scientists say erupted from it was already here...It has always been and always will be. If they get all their basic facts wrong how will we ever be able to live a peaceful and harmonious life such as Jesus has promised those who adapt themselves to Almighty God's universal laws.
Sometimes you are expected to use your own initiative Seb...but I will help. Every 11 years our sun goes into a solar-max where it is very active spewing out plasma and creating many sun-spots upon its surface. My understanding is that this is remnant of our early sun when it spewed out planet Earth, in whatever crude form it may have been in, from out of its belly...and this opens the door for many scientific facts not yet known by scientists but Biblically, very valid indeed.
Gordon...
Gravity certainly plays a part Gordon...but what is gravity?? A force that tugs on mass millions of miles away regardless and tugs that secondary mass back on course even though it was previously going in the opposite direction away from the main force of gravity, often at very high speeds. I used pendulum-motion to find out what really happens, so you can too. Don't be perplexed if you don't work it out...scientists far better at it than you and I have missed it...but it holds up under my scrutiny...according to the electric nature of the universe.
"Where did Jesus say
"I will continue to the very end and claim my crown", please?
I googled it for you Anchorman...and came up with this...It wasn't specifically what I was looking for but it will suffice. https://www.gotquestions.org/heavenly-crowns.html
torri...I deny it.
It is an imploding force derived from clashes between the two universal states that exist and which cannot be denied...
torri...
You are quoting the nearest that modern science has reached, torri, but the underlying principle behind gravity is also behind the nuclear higgs-field, and also behind the forces that exist within the living-cell. It is an imploding force derived from clashes between the two universal states that exist and which cannot be denied....
torri...
You are quoting the nearest that modern science has reached, torri, but the underlying principle behind gravity is also behind the nuclear higgs-field, and also behind the forces that exist within the living-cell. It is an imploding force derived from clashes between the two universal states that exist and which cannot be denied...the static dimension of the universe and the high-speed dimension that sits on top of the original static state. Then we can have space warping, gravitational attraction, replicating living-cells and answers to the many mysteries which still surround us. It also gives way to a new electrical understanding of the universe which is well worth exploring because the Holy Being who first identified this twin dimensional universe to us tells us of an impending danger which only those prepared for it in a righteous way will survive.
Almighty God calls it his Judgement.
Anchorman...
I'm the one who seemed to know that Jesus had promised his faithful a crown of very special significance Anchorman and I gave you five crowns promised by Almighty God to those who overcome, You see...our Deity knows that these end-times will be very difficult indeed because not only the many have forgotten their faith...Satan is feeling very confident about his own self-interests...but Almighty God isn't slow in pronouncing his Judgement...he just wants to save as many as possible and allowing us to see the full force of Satan's unmerciless and unscrupulous attitude will be the clincher for many, just as it was for the Jews who followed Moses...but I rather fancy it will all coincide with the celestial calamity forewarned of by Jesus Christ , himself.
torri/ippy...
So...what is space-time, torri...Could it be based on Einstein's claim that at the speed of light, time stands still, or God's space-time wherein a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years a day?? You choose, but they both appear to be saying the same thing to me but with few thousand years in between them...Remember Almighty God is the light.
Seb...
But you deny Jesus Christ as well Seb...whilst I'm proving to you that there is a science that supports everything Jesus said and did. It is the science of righteousness and one of its most precious attributes is that it values human salvation first.
Anchorman...
I'm the one who seemed to know that Jesus had promised his faithful a crown of very special significance Anchorman and I gave you five crowns promised by Almighty God to those who overcome, You see...our Deity knows that these end-times will be very difficult indeed because not only the many have forgotten their faith...Satan is feeling very confident about his own self-interests...but Almighty God isn't slow in pronouncing his Judgement...he just wants to save as many as possible and allowing us to see the full force of Satan's unmerciless and unscrupulous attitude will be the clincher for many, just as it was for the Jews who followed Moses...but I rather fancy it will all coincide with the celestial calamity forewarned of by Jesus Christ , himself.
torri/ippy...
So...what is space-time, torri...Could it be based on Einstein's claim that at the speed of light, time stands still, or God's space-time wherein a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years a day?? You choose, but they both appear to be saying the same thing to me but with few thousand years in between them...Remember Almighty God is the light.
Seb...
But you deny Jesus Christ as well Seb...whilst I'm proving to you that there is a science that supports everything Jesus said and did. It is the science of righteousness and one of its most precious attributes is that it values human salvation first.
No, NM, He did not.
You will be telling me next Anchorman that Almighty God didn't create the heaven and the Earth or that his word didn't feature heavily within all that universal science. If there is evidence of God's science it is contained within the Holy Bible and that is precisely where I found this science. Of course, it is a very large science, profound even, but that is exactly what God says about his knowledge...best to follow Jesus Christ accurately, and leave the science as an unspoken fact.
Seb...
.whilst I'm proving to you that there is a science that supports everything Jesus said and did.
No, NM:
You quoted words which you claimed the Lord Jesus spoke - words which you must have read.
Those words spoken by Christ do not exist in Scripture.
You either made a mistake, or told a deliberate untruth.
Which?
It seems your much vaunted accuracy does not extend to reading the Gospel.
Because until you deal with that, the rest of your posts mean nothing, and detract from the Glory of God - which, having read the Scripture - accurately - I'm sure you realise is something no believer should ever do.
ippy/torri...
The Earth's gravity is somewhat different to orbital motion...The mass of the Earth has warped space. A heavier mass can warp space more and have more gravity but the principle is the same. That Earthly mass is reaching into another dimension. Though we are quite happy to think we are locked within the motions of the sun the sun is locked into the motions of the Milky Way and that is travelling at the speed of the expanding universe. There are friction points within a star that touches the static dimension beneath that solar mass as its energy swirls and collides within it and everytime such a friction point is exposed an atom is born harnessing that friction point as the higgs field. You see all force is born that way and Jesus Christ, under the authority of his father, told us about it using sinful man as his model.
No, NM:
You quoted words which you claimed the Lord Jesus spoke - words which you must have read.
Those words spoken by Christ do not exist in Scripture.
You either made a mistake, or told a deliberate untruth.
Which?
It seems your much vaunted accuracy does not extend to reading the Gospel.
Because until you deal with that, the rest of your posts mean nothing, and detract from the Glory of God - which, having read the Scripture - accurately - I'm sure you realise is something no believer should ever do.
....we become easily manipulated by others ......Well Nick, that is exactly what you have allowed to happen, to yourself.
Anchorman/Seb/Littleroses...
I know it must come as a bit of a shock when you have convinced yourselves that there is no God, or, as in Anchorman's case, a God that looks and feels as he does about God, but Almighty God is a scientific God who knows everything there is to know about the universe. He knows, because Jesus Christ taught us that God is all around us all of the time just waiting for us to reach into his righteous teaching so that we can begin a process of repair using his spiritual waters...which has the power of resurrection and everlasting life firmly stamped upon its scientific arrangement. Cut ourselves off from this fruit of God's vine then our genetics go haywire...we become easily manipulated by others and resurrection is denied us because that's how the science works...so it is time to pay heed...not to me, but to Jesus Christ...accurately.
Anchorman/Seb/Littleroses...
I know it must come as a bit of a shock when you have convinced yourselves that there is no God, or, as in Anchorman's case, a God that looks and feels as he does about God, but Almighty God is a scientific God who knows everything there is to know about the universe. He knows, because Jesus Christ taught us that God is all around us all of the time just waiting for us to reach into his righteous teaching so that we can begin a process of repair using his spiritual waters...which has the power of resurrection and everlasting life firmly stamped upon its scientific arrangement. Cut ourselves off from this fruit of God's vine then our genetics go haywire...we become easily manipulated by others and resurrection is denied us because that's how the science works...so it is time to pay heed...not to me, but to Jesus Christ...accurately.
Littleroses/ippy/Seb/Anchorman/torri...
None of you are doing very good on that single point that will make all the difference to your future...you have failed miserably in changing your attitudes...and this is crucial if we want to remain on this planet after the big shakedown. Almighty God, nor Jesus are playing games with us. Anyone who has read the scriptures should know that righteousness, as taught by Jesus Christ, is about changing peoples attitudes to a new attitude whereby we love our neighbours, love our enemies, even, become less selfish and more caring...but more than anything else we hit the correct, universal, radio frequency, whereby our prayers are listened to and an interaction with God's living waters can take place and I can confidently say that it is a repairing force which is a good place to start on our accurate Christian journey.
I could say much, much more, but you aren't listening...not even to the indisputable scientific facts...but what is very apparent to me is that as a small sample of all those residing on this planet today, no matter how hard Jesus would try to warn you, as he does in Revelation, of impending danger, and how to protect yourselves and those you love just by following righteousness, which is clearly the only way people can live together in peace and harmony...they all think they are best served just leaving it to chance and Satan...Wrong decision.
No, NM:
You quoted words which you claimed the Lord Jesus spoke - words which you must have read.
Those words spoken by Christ do not exist in Scripture.
You either made a mistake, or told a deliberate untruth.
Which?
It seems your much vaunted accuracy does not extend to reading the Gospel.
Because until you deal with that, the rest of your posts mean nothing, and detract from the Glory of God - which, having read the Scripture - accurately - I'm sure you realise is something no believer should ever do.
No one is going to change their attitude based on the pseudo scientific babble you post here NM. Your reading of the Bible is a product of your over active imagination and isn't going to convince anyone.
Bumped yet again for NM.
Please do me the courtesy of answering this post.
Did you deliberately post an untruth?
Did you deliberately adulterate the Gospel putting words into Christ's mouth which are not there?
Have the courage to be accurate, for once, please.
No pseudoscientific trash.
I'll tell you a little story Maeght...a place where I worked for a very long time...a factory. It was a typical factory which, by its long existence and international status it had fallen into many bad habits and bad work practices. The Japanese took it over and introduced what they then called the 5s's. Like others, I had reservations but this style of working was all about changing attitudes, making the environment safer, making people responsible for their own work areas. People began to belong and were more cheerful, it became a pleasant workload...everybody was pulled along in a worthwhile way and new production techniques were introduced to help and reinforce that efficient attitude that was developing.
Righteousness is a bit like that.
It isn't something to be worried about as long as we respond in the appropriate way...but, maybe, it isn't for you, Seb..
I think, Anchorman, you should go back to the original post you are disputing and re-read it. You are arguing that Jesus Christ didn't offer those who followed him righteously to the end would receive a crown...I showed you a number instances where he did...what I was actually looking for but didn't find it quickly enough was where he spoke of Christians who might be executed for supporting him but kept faith to the end, who would also receive a crown.
I cannot understand where you are coming from Anchorman, unless in your own studies you missed this point.
My response is entirely appropriate to a person who has an over active imagination, writes stories smattered with sciency sounding words and who believes the absolute rubbish spewed out by liars and charlatans who post their nonsense on Youtube.
Righteousness is a bit like that. It isn't something to be worried about as long as we respond in the appropriate way...but, maybe, it isn't for you, Seb..
Littleroses/ippy/Seb/Anchorman/torri...
None of you are doing very good on that single point that will make all the difference to your future...you have failed miserably in changing your attitudes...and this is crucial if we want to remain on this planet after the big shakedown. Almighty God, nor Jesus are playing games with us. Anyone who has read the scriptures should know that righteousness, as taught by Jesus Christ, is about changing peoples attitudes to a new attitude whereby we love our neighbours, love our enemies, even, become less selfish and more caring...but more than anything else we hit the correct, universal, radio frequency, whereby our prayers are listened to and an interaction with God's living waters can take place and I can confidently say that it is a repairing force which is a good place to start on our accurate Christian journey.
I could say much, much more, but you aren't listening...not even to the indisputable scientific facts...but what is very apparent to me is that as a small sample of all those residing on this planet today, no matter how hard Jesus would try to warn you, as he does in Revelation, of impending danger, and how to protect yourselves and those you love just by following righteousness, which is clearly the only way people can live together in peace and harmony...they all think they are best served just leaving it to chance and Satan...Wrong decision.
You'd better read this, NM....it's about the second coming, and as accurate as your posts usually are. https://babylonbee.com/news/lord-jesus-detained-border-attempting-second-coming/That one is false. If you had watched Episode2 of 'Russia with Simon Reeve' you would have seen his interview with the reincarnated Jesus in Siberia.
torri/Seb/Anchorman/Maeght...
What I have said torri is that science, the Holy Bible, Jesus Christ, and many scientific mysteries all unify together into one science if we bring them together and the only way to do that is study them under the scientific principle that...'everything is energy'. You flatly refuse to acknowledge any part of that which is a shame but that doesn't interfere with my approach...I have Jesus Christ on my side.
torri/Seb/Anchorman/Maeght...
Maeght...
So...you have seen how a different approach can make people feel more worthwhile in the business of living life often at the mercy of rogue manipulators yet you can't see the same meaning in righteousness...well...millions have Maeght, and have changed their attitudes to meet the conditions of righteousness...so...we will just have to let you 'weep and gnash your teeth' when you realise it is you who could have benefited from a little righteous kindness on your part.
Sorry, gotta go.
torri/skim/Anchorman/Seb...
Let's apply what we have learnt to everyday praying...I can tell by your attitudes that you will find this difficult because a prayer requires some electrical stimulation, just as using a telephone does. That stimulation comes from our righteous attitude...our meekness towards our saviour, and our God. No prayer begins 'hey, you up there' it's all in our attitude towards righteous goodness...and, lo and behold, as promised, every prayer is answered because within the mechanics of our prayer we receive a portion of God's living water...a thirst quenching energy that reaches into the parts of us that no other quencher of thirsts, can reach. It is a genetic quencher of thirsts and we are somewhat foolish to ignore its potential.
Nick, just a simple one for you, see if you can do your very best to give us here all or any of the viable evidence you have that for once and for all proves that this this Jesus of yours was the actual son of this he, she or it figure that at present only exists somewhere in your vivid imagination.
Take your time Nick, you're going to need it.
Kind regards ippy
torri/skim/Anchorman/Seb...
Let's apply what we have learnt to everyday praying...I can tell by your attitudes that you will find this difficult because a prayer requires some electrical stimulation, just as using a telephone does. That stimulation comes from our righteous attitude...our meekness towards our saviour, and our God. No prayer begins 'hey, you up there' it's all in our attitude towards righteous goodness...and, lo and behold, as promised, every prayer is answered because within the mechanics of our prayer we receive a portion of God's living water...a thirst quenching energy that reaches into the parts of us that no other quencher of thirsts, can reach. It is a genetic quencher of thirsts and we are somewhat foolish to ignore its potential.
I prefer the harder questions but am still willing to oblige...The Holy Bible says God exists...and Jesus Christ wearing a wonderful righteous attitude supported all scripture to the hilt...and under the surface of all Biblical teaching is a science which, whilst being much more advanced than modern science, is saying very similar things. You, your scientists, nor any powerful argument to the contrary can dismiss the fact that everything is energy and that is the key principle to Almighty God's existence. But, ippy, I'm still baffled by how you and many others can condemn Biblical truth whilst having very little knowledge of its content...It's like going to court as an eye-witness for an incident you had no involvement in.
torri/skim/Anchorman/Seb...
Let's apply what we have learnt to everyday praying...I can tell by your attitudes that you will find this difficult because a prayer requires some electrical stimulation, just as using a telephone does. That stimulation comes from our righteous attitude...our meekness towards our saviour, and our God. No prayer begins 'hey, you up there' it's all in our attitude towards righteous goodness...and, lo and behold, as promised, every prayer is answered because within the mechanics of our prayer we receive a portion of God's living water...a thirst quenching energy that reaches into the parts of us that no other quencher of thirsts, can reach. It is a genetic quencher of thirsts and we are somewhat foolish to ignore its potential.
I prefer the harder questions but am still willing to oblige...The Holy Bible says God exists...and Jesus Christ wearing a wonderful righteous attitude supported all scripture to the hilt...and under the surface of all Biblical teaching is a science which, whilst being much more advanced than modern science, is saying very similar things. You, your scientists, nor any powerful argument to the contrary can dismiss the fact that everything is energy and that is the key principle to Almighty God's existence. But, ippy, I'm still baffled by how you and many others can condemn Biblical truth whilst having very little knowledge of its content...It's like going to court as an eye-witness for an incident you had no involvement in.
I wasn't asking you anything about your preferences Nick, as you know all I was asking of you was as follows:
Nick, just a simple one for you, see if you can do your very best to give us here all or any of the viable evidence you have that for once and for all proves that this this Jesus of yours was the actual son of this he, she or it figure that at present only exists somewhere in your vivid imagination.
Take your time Nick, you're going to need it.
Perhaps you could at the very least try to answer the question I've asked of you? I know it's a difficult one for you or anyone else that believes that which up till now can only be taken as biblical mythology.
Kind regards ippy
God was resurrected?
By 'eck......
NM's a closet trinitarian.
By 'eck......
NM's a closet trinitarian.
It's not a difficult question at all ippy. You see, there is a teaching about Almighty God who, by virtue of various stepping stones, brought a people together to understand his righteous ways. They were tribal at first because that was the level of their intelligence but as they grew in skills to organise themselves, righteously, God sent his own son, Jesus Christ, who lived here on planet Earth in exactly the same way our super-knowledgeable God would have done, if he had come instead. That is because they would have both behaved the same, according to God's righteous science (The Word). There are no other ways to live a better, healthier, more robust life than bringing our genetic health back to how Almighty God intended it to be...but being a sinful lot we have bludgeoned our own health whilst manipulators oppress us for our bones and our carcass.
It all revolves around a superabundant, dynamic energy which is invisible and undetectable in its purest form but is the same energy that is released by science when they dabble with the Hadron collider.
Now, following God in exactly the way Jesus did made Jesus the highest righteous person in the universe after God who I suspect was also spiritually resurrected from the same fate...in Heaven...when he was martyred by the same demonic thinking that had Jesus slaughtered...but the righteous world who followed and valued his teaching now have good health, happiness, fairness and everlasting life to enjoy and will not abandon their loyalty to their Deity that now includes Jesus Christ.
So you see Jesus is the Son of God...A being of equal status to God but who declined that equal status saying that he will remain the servant of the one, true God.
Nick, what is it about the word evidence is it that you don't understand, we can all assert anything we like, that's the easy bit, come on where's your evidence that would lift your bible out of its at present mythological status?
Regards ippy
I would have said that a few million Jews and a few million Christians following a science that is carved out of the foundation stones of all scientific knowledge should suffice as evidence enough ippy plus a Holy Book written over many generations which tells us of where all this scientific data is leading to...Everlasting life...here on planet Earth...for those who can grasp the science before it is too late.
maybe he's an electrician.
I would have said that a few million Jews and a few million Christians following a science that is carved out of the foundation stones of all scientific knowledge should suffice as evidence enough ippy plus a Holy Book written over many generations which tells us of where all this scientific data is leading to...Everlasting life...here on planet Earth...for those who can grasp the science before it is too late.
I would have said that a few million Jews and a few million Christians following a science that is carved out of the foundation stones of all scientific knowledge should suffice as evidence enough ippy plus a Holy Book written over many generations which tells us of where all this scientific data is leading to...Everlasting life...here on planet Earth...for those who can grasp the science before it is too late.
That is just more confirmation that you really don't understand concepts like evidence. That people believe things is not evidence that those beliefs are true. There are 1,500,000,000 muslims in the world; do we deduce therefore that Islam is true ?
Your attempts at intimidation are pathetic Grow up.
I don't know any Jews or Christians following the science of anything (though a lot, like myself, are Doctor Who fans - does that count?)
I do know they believe in God, and in the case of the latter faith, many of us believe we are in a personal walk with Him through Christ.
No Science technobabble there to mess it up.
The 'word' is the science Anchorman and if you are following the 'word' made flesh, as you claim, then you are following the science as well. But like many of today's sciences, it isn't open to devious interpretation, it must be followed as Jesus delivered it to us and that can be quite dangerous...because Satan has a frightening empire built out of our misunderstandings of righteousness, and he won't give it up until it gives him up.
Talking about gathering under one banner, NM - Have you - as per Scripture - submitted yourself to the leader in your church yet?
No; The Word is the Logos, NM; not the science.
Try being accurate.
Read your Greek.
Only to repeat myself Anchorman...Jesus Christ and Almighty God are the leaders in my temple and for any who are inspired to find that temple themselves...it is our own body...made righteous by Jesus Christ's accurate teaching which will harness our starved genetic condition and begin a repair which obedience and endurance will secure, even resurrect us to a new vessel, so that we will be a useful person in the new heaven and the new Earth...whilst those who claim to be Jews but are not Jews will have to face the fiery lake of sulphur, just as Littleroses so correctly points out.
I would have said that a few million Jews and a few million Christians following a science that is carved out of the foundation stones of all scientific knowledge should suffice as evidence enough ippy plus a Holy Book written over many generations which tells us of where all this scientific data is leading to...Everlasting life...here on planet Earth...for those who can grasp the science before it is too late.
Wherever a group of people gather under one banner it is the same electric evidence at work. Often they seek security from hostile forces...This is the same in Christianity and Judaism. It is the science that underpins this emotional gathering, that you say doesn't exist, that I find intriguing. You see, it always works in one of two ways...either it is used to create oppression as Satan and his henchmen do, else it is used righteously as Almighty God and Jesus Christ do...and the force that is at work, in every case, is our inner electric/nervous/spiritual energy...and warning you of the terrible problems facing us today because of our abstinence from this knowledge isn't intimidation...it is loving kindness...and Jesus Christ knows all about it because his crucifixion oscillated from his stake like a vibrating transmitter which will never stop vibrating because the science behind his teaching will never stop...which brings us neatly to his resurrection...your resurrection....my resurrection...and the resurrection of all souls who will have to face God's Judgement...but if you interpret this as intimidation then, I'm afraid, your attitude is all wrong.
In the beginning was the 'word'...The Science of Righteousness.
And the 'word' was with God.
And the 'word' was God...God is structured from his own science.
And the 'word' of God is the light of the world. The 'science of everything' appertaining to the universe is captured within God's righteous 'word.'
Littleroses/torri/Anchorman/ippy...
Littleroses...
You will have to explain to me how 'everything is energy' supported by modern science and Almighty God, isn't a valid way of looking at science Littleroses...but you can't, whilst I, through the Holy Bible, and in particular, Jesus Christ, can. It's perhaps a shame for all science, but, it seems, the Biblical teaching that the invisible things of God are seen through all things visible...so this is where we must start, and modern sciences, over the past 100 years, is working flat out to prove me right.
torri...
How do you measure something torri, that, in its purest form is invisible and undetectable??
Well you can...everytime you go to a carnival, or a football match, in fact, every time you say...the air was electric...you have measured this invisible energy. Another way to measure it is to go to your local hospital or even hypermarket and witness what happens to people when, over many years, they have abused this electric property, which, the science of the Holy Bible says was avoidable. See how many people are manipulated by advertising and hypnotism, to squeeze out the last ounce of this wonderful, life supporting energy, from within us, and you might just realise that your future plans and happiness are all wrapped up in it as well.
Anchorman...
Be wary of those who try to turn truth to mean a lie and a lie to mean truth. If you have missed the point that the Holy Bible is a wonderful book of truth which has at its deepest point a wonderful science taken from the foundation stones of the entire universe you have missed the point behind God's emphatic words...In the beginning, God created the heavens and the Earth.
ippy...
Evidence is the Holy Bible supported by a wonderful science that says amid mounting observations that this world is about to suffer the worst calamity since its inception...not just from the skies but from Satan himself...but you have to read the source evidence to understand it all.
Littleroses/torri/Anchorman/ippy...
Littleroses...
You will have to explain to me how 'everything is energy' supported by modern science and Almighty God, isn't a valid way of looking at science Littleroses...but you can't, whilst I, through the Holy Bible, and in particular, Jesus Christ, can. It's perhaps a shame for all science, but, it seems, the Biblical teaching that the invisible things of God are seen through all things visible...so this is where we must start, and modern sciences, over the past 100 years, is working flat out to prove me right.
torri...
How do you measure something torri, that, in its purest form is invisible and undetectable??
Well you can...everytime you go to a carnival, or a football match, in fact, every time you say...the air was electric...you have measured this invisible energy. Another way to measure it is to go to your local hospital or even hypermarket and witness what happens to people when, over many years, they have abused this electric property, which, the science of the Holy Bible says was avoidable. See how many people are manipulated by advertising and hypnotism, to squeeze out the last ounce of this wonderful, life supporting energy, from within us, and you might just realise that your future plans and happiness are all wrapped up in it as well.
Anchorman...
Be wary of those who try to turn truth to mean a lie and a lie to mean truth. If you have missed the point that the Holy Bible is a wonderful book of truth which has at its deepest point a wonderful science taken from the foundation stones of the entire universe you have missed the point behind God's emphatic words...In the beginning, God created the heavens and the Earth.
ippy...
Evidence is the Holy Bible supported by a wonderful science that says amid mounting observations that this world is about to suffer the worst calamity since its inception...not just from the skies but from Satan himself...but you have to read the source evidence to understand it all.
See how many people are manipulated by advertising and hypnotism,..especially those people easily influenced by charlatans posting utter unevidenced nonsense on Youtube.
..especially those people easily influenced by charlatans posting utter unevidenced nonsense on Youtube.
Those poor people then live their lives as if what they have been duped by is actually true.
Not only that, they then embarrass rhemselves by trying to convince sane, normal people that their delusions are facts.
Sad really.
Now, following God in exactly the way Jesus did made Jesus the highest righteous person in the universe after God who I suspect was also spiritually resurrected from the same fate...in Heaven...when he was martyred by the same demonic thinking that had Jesus slaughtered
Nick
Just so that our spiritual instruction should be as accurate as possible, could you refer us to the passages in the Bible that refer to this extraordinary phenomenon which you think happened to God. I don't seem to be able to find any reference to it.
Anchorman
No, I don't think this is evidence of Trinitarian leanings - Nick appears to be referring to another 'event' which is supposed to have occurred before the life and death of Jesus. In fact, this latest bombshell, rather than deriving from his approved (but not quite accurate) sect of the JWs, seems to have a whiff of Mormonism about it. Some Mormons believe in a whole chain of deities begetting deities throughout time. Maybe there's a bit of Zoroastrianism there too.
Of course, I think all this is a load of baloney, but I am a firm believer in being 'accurate' about things.
NM:- Floating around the universe locked in a sulphurous furnace for all eternity isn't my idea of fun...but, according to Jesus, it is the natural state of our future unless we make a righteous stand. We need to resist this forthcoming great tribulation by being righteous.
Your words paint a horrific picture & I sincerely hope you never say anything like to or in front of impressionable children.
Don't you realise it is entirely possible to be 'righteous' (& not self righteous) without taking all your theories on board?
Of course I know Robbie that following Jesus is only the route to our salvation...I've told you all enough times. I have added a scientific dimension because many just aren't listening and the fiery lake of sulphur will be their fate.
Of course I know Robbie that following Jesus is only the route to our salvation...I've told you all enough times. I have added a scientific dimension because many just aren't listening and the fiery lake of sulphur will be their fate. Almighty God and Jesus are the ones declaring our fate if we don't do a u-turn. It is stated boldly and clearly in Revelation 21:8. As regards children...by the virtue of their innocence they meet the righteous standard required, or, at least, most do. You may have noticed that it is easier to lead a child in righteous thinking than it is an adult but a global catastrophe is just that and we will all be involved in that...regardless. It is much better for adults to be prepared in righteousness so they will be able to guide young and old alike in the only path that offers salvation.
Why do you think adding your pseudo scientific babble helps?
Porcine ablutions.
It's simple really Maeght...You need to realise that the Creator of all science, which is the message contained in the opening words of Genesis, is telling us, through Jesus Christ, that the same dynamic energy he made the universe with is also a scientific part of you and me. Now Jesus Christ's word is sufficient to save us because he teaches us that our inner spiritual strength is the same stuff restructured by our attitudes and failure to do so will be to our detriment because nothing else will save you. That's what is meant by its title...'indestructible' energy.
Think just for a moment how I'll feel when at some future date I will have to confess that I once knew a person who called themselves Maeght who could have been saved but just refused to listen to Jesus Christ even though the science we all enjoy today was so obviously demonstrating the accuracy in Jesus' true word.
I ask again, why do you think your pseudo scientific babble helps?
I refer you to my response to you, listed above.
Akin to casting your pearls before swine Gordon...but needs must.
Whose needs?
I suspect your needs, which in my experience is a characteristic of those who proselytise: that they have caught something nasty seems to cause them to think that the rest of us would really appreciate being similarly infected - and some of us don't, and are resistant to said infection.
Whose needs? I suspect your needs, which in my experience is a characteristic of those who proselytise: that they have caught something nasty seems to cause them to think that the rest of us would really appreciate being similarly infected - and some of us don't, and are resistant to said infection.You, know, Gordon, I have been a bit busy today - acting as a guide for fellow visually impaired people at Kelvingrove. As I passed Sir Roger - you'll know who Sir Roger is - I though this musings made a darn sight more sense than NM's.
It's simple really Maeght...You need to realise that the Creator of all science, which is the message contained in the opening words of Genesis, is telling us, through Jesus Christ, that the same dynamic energy he made the universe with is also a scientific part of you and me. Now Jesus Christ's word is sufficient to save us because he teaches us that our inner spiritual strength is the same stuff restructured by our attitudes and failure to do so will be to our detriment because nothing else will save you. That's what is meant by its title...'indestructible' energy.
Think just for a moment how I'll feel when at some future date I will have to confess that I once knew a person who called themselves Maeght who could have been saved but just refused to listen to Jesus Christ even though the science we all enjoy today was so obviously demonstrating the accuracy in Jesus' true word.
No, Gordon...an infection is the result of a tiny piece of electrical matter that lodges inside your soft tissue and replicates with your cell replicating processes because you have let the electric structure of your general health slip and weaken your immune system...not to worry...Jesus Christ has the remedy...upbuild your emotional strength righteously...it's all in the Holy Bible.
Elephants = cool
Night night
You, know, Gordon, I have been a bit busy today - acting as a guide for fellow visually impaired people at Kelvingrove. As I passed Sir Roger - you'll know who Sir Roger is - I though this musings made a darn sight more sense than NM's.
He was on the phone last time I visited Kelvingrove: making a trunk call.
Boom tish boom!
I like to give praise where praise is due, NM's posts make me giggle they are so bonkers. ;D
My concern is that he is not doing it for comic effect, and is, in fact, serious!
But I don't think anyone on this forum is gullible enough to take him seriously, which would be very worrying.
But who does he interact with in real life?There are nearly 55,000 views and only nearly 2,000 comments which might indicate a wider silent audience. NM can feed upon the oxygen of publicity and spread his word. Jesus has put you detractors there just to feed the flames.
ekim/BeRational/Littleroses/Anchorman/Gordon...
Continuing with my theme that science supports the teaching of Jesus Christ just as Jesus supports his God and that they all respond to righteousness, which is the science extracted from the Holy Bible, we can embark on a trip to modern sciences latest laboratory…The Hadron Collider.
Here they smash nuclear particles together and measure what happens…what they are finding is that atomic particles split into many parts…shrapnel…and they measure the electric traces this shrapnel leaves behind before they annihilate themselves…but what no one has realised is that without anything holding them together, these particles are returning to their natural state…An invisible, undetectable state, that is the original, universal, dynamic state, that existed in superabundance in Almighty God’s laboratory…the universe…before the Great, Universal, Hadron Collider sent it all in to wild, hurricane storm forces that created stars and atoms, galaxies and life, according to very special laws that is still outside scientific reach but which has been carefully structured by the highest authority in the universe for our benefit…that is if everlasting life, resurrection, repair, peace, happiness, harmony and good-will is your thing…if not, then I’m afraid, you need to read Revelation again because it’s all in there.
ekim/BeRational/Littleroses/Anchorman/Gordon...
Continuing with my theme that science supports the teaching of Jesus Christ just as Jesus supports his God and that they all respond to righteousness, which is the science extracted from the Holy Bible, we can embark on a trip to modern sciences latest laboratory…The Hadron Collider.
Here they smash nuclear particles together and measure what happens…what they are finding is that atomic particles split into many parts…shrapnel…and they measure the electric traces this shrapnel leaves behind before they annihilate themselves…but what no one has realised is that without anything holding them together, these particles are returning to their natural state…An invisible, undetectable state, that is the original, universal, dynamic state, that existed in superabundance in Almighty God’s laboratory…the universe…before the Great, Universal, Hadron Collider sent it all in to wild, hurricane storm forces that created stars and atoms, galaxies and life, according to very special laws that is still outside scientific reach but which has been carefully structured by the highest authority in the universe for our benefit…that is if everlasting life, resurrection, repair, peace, happiness, harmony and good-will is your thing…if not, then I’m afraid, you need to read Revelation again because it’s all in there.
ekim/BeRational/Littleroses/Anchorman/Gordon...
Continuing with my theme that science supports the teaching of Jesus Christ just as Jesus supports his God and that they all respond to righteousness, which is the science extracted from the Holy Bible, we can embark on a trip to modern sciences latest laboratory…The Hadron Collider.
Here they smash nuclear particles together and measure what happens…what they are finding is that atomic particles split into many parts…shrapnel…and they measure the electric traces this shrapnel leaves behind before they annihilate themselves…but what no one has realised is that without anything holding them together, these particles are returning to their natural state…An invisible, undetectable state, that is the original, universal, dynamic state, that existed in superabundance in Almighty God’s laboratory…the universe…before the Great, Universal, Hadron Collider sent it all in to wild, hurricane storm forces that created stars and atoms, galaxies and life, according to very special laws that is still outside scientific reach but which has been carefully structured by the highest authority in the universe for our benefit…that is if everlasting life, resurrection, repair, peace, happiness, harmony and good-will is your thing…if not, then I’m afraid, you need to read Revelation again because it’s all in there.
Littleroses/torridon/Anchorman...
You really should read Revelation because the evidence says that much of what is said in those 22 chapters are happening today. Some of it I refrain from mentioning because out of God's loving care I don't want to distress you further than necessary...but that isn't doing you any favours because you will remain uninformed.
People who have read Rev find that God's wrath is expressed in its pages which will have a very unpleasant outcome for us all but those righteously prepared will fair best. That is what a Judgement is all about and there can be no doubt that through Biblical knowledge we know that each and every one of us will be judged according to our works.
Saving you then from dilemmas too terrible to mention is best left to Revelation and knowing about them and what to do to protect ourselves is best left to Jesus Christ...but the science that supports it all, righteously, is there for all to see, if you follow science...that is.
Littleroses/torridon/Anchorman...
You really should read Revelation because the evidence says that much of what is said in those 22 chapters are happening today. Some of it I refrain from mentioning because out of God's loving care I don't want to distress you further than necessary...but that isn't doing you any favours because you will remain uninformed.
People who have read Rev find that God's wrath is expressed in its pages which will have a very unpleasant outcome for us all but those righteously prepared will fair best. That is what a Judgement is all about and there can be no doubt that through Biblical knowledge we know that each and every one of us will be judged according to our works.
Saving you then from dilemmas too terrible to mention is best left to Revelation and knowing about them and what to do to protect ourselves is best left to Jesus Christ...but the science that supports it all, righteously, is there for all to see, if you follow science...that is.
Usual consscending stuff, NM. I've read it...in the KJV, Lorimer, RSV, NESV, NASB, NLT, GNB, TEV, CEV, Koine Greek and, at some personal pain, Latin in the Vulgate. No-one with any sense would, of course, use the NWT rubbish. I've read commentaries from liberal, evangelical and conservative theologians, Christians with university degrees in physics (that's about electricity, in case you were in any doubt), biology and chemistry. I've read texts from atheists on the subject as well. All -even the ones so immersed in theology-speak which make my hair ache - are more comprehensible than the stuff you post on it. Apocalyptic books such as Daniel, Ezekiel ad Relelation need to be read in the knowledge, not of what's happening today, but at the time in which they were written. Revelation has theology for us - that I'll admit: I've preached on it before and will do so again - but we are NOT the seven churches to whom it was originally written, nor are we facing the various situations of those churches,or late first century believers. Oh, by the way, any reader with a grain iof sense would, of course, not the Trinitarian outlook of the book's author. I assume you know that.
I'm glad that you had such a pleasant day yesterday Anchorman...that said...you seem to think that the Holy Book which it appears you have studied till the knobs dropped off has failed to generate the interest that it should have. It is often written in code...or parable form, because the audience for which it is intended where not very well equipped with modern, scientific methods. You have missed the stepping-stone methods that it uses to lead us through to this modern age...and you have certainly missed the point that the 'last days'...the end of the days...God's Judgement...The fiery lake of sulphur, haven't yet occurred.
In its own words it tells us that every word in the Holy Bible is active...it generates a wonderful frame of mind and I have said this is because it alters our thinking and this new thinking alters our health, our genetics and our demeanor...a science is at work even for those who know nothing about science but who know everything there is to know about fairness, honesty, good-will, harmony, peace, and righteous thinking. It is all about our spiritual welfare and anyone who says it isn't has failed miserably in understanding its message especially in these last days, full of great tribulations, and difficult times hard to deal with. Still...you have your Holy Bible and I have mine...its just that science requires accuracy where as an old, spent, already happened, Holy Bible, doesn't.
Sorry to have to warn you about these things and to ask you to prepare…but the last books in Revelation should make it clear to you that there is an awful lot at risk.
torri/Robbie/Littleroses/Maeght...
So, let me get this straight...this is a topic area where we are encouraged to speak about Christianity.
The majority of you are quite happy to condemn him...Haven't done that.
...say he never existed...
besmirch his righteous teaching...
even condemn him to the annuls of him being all in the past...
...but let someone speak of him as the true son of Almighty God...let him state positively and unequivocally that Jesus spoke only truth...
...let that someone say that righteousness and resurrection meet with a science of there being an all electric universe, and you don't like it,
can't take it,
are prepared to besmirch and ridicule that other person as well...hmmm...
Well...Christianity is here for keeps...
its sad that you don't want any part of the new heavens and the new Earth promised to those who abide by Christian truth, honesty, and righteousness...but salvation can only be given to those who are prepared to adjust their attitudes righteously...it is a condition of our salvation.
torri/Robbie/Littleroses/Maeght...
So, let me get this straight...this is a topic area where we are encouraged to speak about Christianity. The majority of you are quite happy to condemn him...say he never existed...besmirch his righteous teaching...even condemn him to the annuls of him being all in the past...but let someone speak of him as the true son of Almighty God...let him state positively and unequivocally that Jesus spoke only truth...let that someone say that righteousness and resurrection meet with a science of there being an all electric universe, and you don't like it, can't take it, are prepared to besmirch and ridicule that other person as well...hmmm... Well...Christianity is here for keeps...its sad that you don't want any part of the new heavens and the new Earth promised to those who abide by Christian truth, honesty, and righteousness...but salvation can only be given to those who are prepared to adjust their attitudes righteously...it is a condition of our salvation.
Maeght/torri/Robbie/Littleroses...
Don't you think that the most important thing in your lives today is to know about your internal electrical person that will live on after the fleshy part of you has become unfit for purpose. That is the essence of Jesus Christ's teaching. It will live on regardless of your attitude now...but...according to Jesus...it is where it lives on that is important. We don't have to concern ourselves too much if all we want to do is roll around the ether but to be resurrected back into life...back into a new vessel...we must have a strong righteous spirit...That is what Jesus taught us by his resurrection and that is what is achievable through a righteous attitude. Failure to comply means that, at the appropriate time, when the ether is emptied of all surplus electrical matter, in the twinkling of an eye, the unrighteous will be evicted and then no one can help them anymore...eternal damnation will be served.
It's all in Revelation...Don't shoot the messenger.
False messengers will get shot down and exposed for what they are. Anyone who believes in righteousness would not spend their time on messageboards sneering at others, making false and misleading claims. You're clearly a fake, so no one is going to take any of your ridiculous claims seriously.
Maeght/torri/Robbie/Littleroses...
Don't you think that the most important thing in your lives today is to know about your internal electrical person that will live on after the fleshy part of you has become unfit for purpose. That is the essence of Jesus Christ's teaching. It will live on regardless of your attitude now...but...according to Jesus...it is where it lives on that is important. We don't have to concern ourselves too much if all we want to do is roll around the ether but to be resurrected back into life...back into a new vessel...we must have a strong righteous spirit...That is what Jesus taught us by his resurrection and that is what is achievable through a righteous attitude. Failure to comply means that, at the appropriate time, when the ether is emptied of all surplus electrical matter, in the twinkling of an eye, the unrighteous will be evicted and then no one can help them anymore...eternal damnation will be served.
It's all in Revelation...Don't shoot the messenger.
No one needs to take the slightest notice of me...I just have the science that Jesus Christ lived by...that is refined by Jesus, and Almighty God, to give us what this indestructable energy source offers. It's Jesus Christ we should take seriously...because he is God's 'word' made flesh...and every word he utters has a scientific bearing on God's science.
It is you besmirching Jesus by equating his teachings with baseless pseudoscience babble, it is you who is lacking in righteousness by incessant misrepresentations of the views of others, the making of false claims and wild exaggerations when you could be engaging in measured and honest dialogue. No one who actually believed all the stuff you pretend to believe about salvation through righteousness would behave in such a way, clearly you appear to be nothing more than an out and out fraud. When we see you starting to apologise and make amends then we might catch a glimpse of humanity in you worth nurturing.
Even in that stupid book of the Bible the word electrical isn't mentioned. It is all in your mind, which has been badly warped if your crazy posts are an indication of what passes for your thought processes. :o
Just a wee bit of theology....theology moreover, that every Christian I know would accept, torridon.
Nowhere in Scripture will you find 'salvation through righteousness'. That's Pharasaical thinking.
The whole ethos of the Christian claim is that there is nothing - absolutely nothing - we can do to earn our salvation. Christ did that for us...and what follows next is our part in the play. No-one is rirhteous enough to be saved.
I prefer the words 'dynamic energy' which means an all encompassing energy that can be moulded and shaped into every scientific structure we care to scrutinize, Littleroses. Jesus uses the word spiritual but I have brought it into the electrical domain to help you understand it better...
Just a minor detail Anchorman...but what do you think Jesus meant when he said, and I quote...Those that follow me will never die?
Do you think he meant just carry on as you are or do you think, maybe, he was telling us to be like him and enjoy resurrection, into a new vessel, under controlled conditions so that we aren't reborn into a family of antiChristians.
Maeght/torri/Robbie/Littleroses...
Don't you think that the most important thing in your lives today is to know about your internal electrical person that will live on after the fleshy part of you has become unfit for purpose.
No one needs to take the slightest notice of me...I just have the science that Jesus Christ lived by...that is refined by Jesus, and Almighty God, to give us what this indestructable energy source offers. It's Jesus Christ we should take seriously...because he is God's 'word' made flesh...and every word he utters has a scientific bearing on God's science.
Hands up everybody, who thinks "electrical" more accurately describes us than "spiritual".
<no hands go up>
Used accurately, "electrical" refers to the flow of electromagnetic charge through a circuit. You clearly aren't trying to help people understand at all. You are just trying to make yourself appear esoteric, mystical, far seeing; the reward for this is derision I'm afraid.
So much error and misunderstanding
So much error and misunderstanding but I'm afraid I.m out for the rest of the day...speak to you later.
kind regards, Old Nick
So much error and misunderstanding but I'm afraid I.m out for the rest of the day...speak to you later.
kind regards, Old Nick
So much error and misunderstanding but I'm afraid I.m out for the rest of the day...speak to you later.
kind regards, Old Nick
I have identified to you, through the highest scientific mechanics available to us in this day and age, being the Hadron Collider, an invisible, undetectable energy, that is the raw material behind the existence of all science.
Like it or lump it, you cannot escape it, and it is involved in every scientific behaviour pattern. Jesus Christ doesn't bother explaining how it all came together to form galaxies and stars, atoms or electromagnetic force...he showed us, exclusively, how it affects life...yours and mine. If I were you I would try and catch up on what we have been missing, by reading about Jesus, accurately.
Righteousness is all about reading what is written, without looking for loopholes or get out clauses, and because we are in the 'last days', it might just save us, providing we repent in earnest.
Maeght/Littleroses/Anchorman/Seb/NearlySane/torri...
I have identified to you, through the highest scientific mechanics available to us in this day and age, being the Hadron Collider, an invisible, undetectable energy, that is the raw material behind the existence of all science.
Like it or lump it, you cannot escape it, and it is involved in every scientific behaviour pattern. Jesus Christ doesn't bother explaining how it all came together to form galaxies and stars, atoms or electromagnetic force...he showed us, exclusively, how it affects life...yours and mine. If I were you I would try and catch up on what we have been missing, by reading about Jesus, accurately.
Righteousness is all about reading what is written, without looking for loopholes or get out clauses, and because we are in the 'last days', it might just save us, providing we repent in earnest.
Maeght/Littleroses/Anchorman/Seb/NearlySane/torri...
I have identified to you, through the highest scientific mechanics available to us in this day and age, being the Hadron Collider, an invisible, undetectable energy, that is the raw material behind the existence of all science.
Like it or lump it, you cannot escape it, and it is involved in every scientific behaviour pattern. Jesus Christ doesn't bother explaining how it all came together to form galaxies and stars, atoms or electromagnetic force...he showed us, exclusively, how it affects life...yours and mine. If I were you I would try and catch up on what we have been missing, by reading about Jesus, accurately.
Righteousness is all about reading what is written, without looking for loopholes or get out clauses, and because we are in the 'last days', it might just save us, providing we repent in earnest.
I have been missing, by reading about Jesus, accurately. Righteousness is involved in the 'last days', it and it is involved in earnest I would try and age, being the Hadron Collider, an invisible, undetectable energy, that is involved in the 'last days', it affects life...yours and it is written, without looking for loopholes or electromagnetic force...he showed us, exclusively, how it all came together to you, through the Hadron Collider, an invisible, undetectable energy, that is involved in this day and age, being the raw material behind the Hadron Collider, an invisible, undetectable energy, that is involved in every scientific behaviour pattern. Jesus Christ doesn't bother explaining how it affects life...yours and stars, atoms or lump it, you cannot escape it, and age, being the existence of all about reading what is written, without looking for loopholes ...http://www.critters.org/bonsai/ (http://www.critters.org/bonsai/)
Makes just as much sense.
Littleroses/Gordon/Anchorman/Maeght/Stranger...
What we have done, in fact, is, caught modern science out twice on the same point. It is they who say that energy cannot be created...it can only be transformed into a different energy, of which, all components parts must add up to the original force.
If we apply this principle to the shrapnel that momentarily exists after a collision of atomic particles in the Hadron Collider we must say that the identified energy has transformed into an invisible, undetectable state. At the other end of the scale we can say, scientifically, that the big-bang theory is fatally flawed unless we state, categorically, that a superabundance of the same raw-material existed beforehand...before the big-bang.
So...take your choice...if it existed then Almighty God, and Jesus Christ, have an extra tool in their tool-bag to describe the mechanics of the universe, whilst science, by its desire to twist their own truth, is on the losing end of a very profound science...because their latest deceit states that Almighty God or Jesus Christ have no place in their sciences...but they are wrong...they exist within the science of a superabundant, dynamic energy, which, in its purest form, is invisible and undetectable, and which, naturally, holds a brand new science to build a new heavens and a new Earth out of.
What we have done, in fact, is, caught modern science out twice on the same point. It is they who say that energy cannot be created...it can only be transformed into a different energy, of which, all components parts must add up to the original force.
If we apply this principle to the shrapnel that momentarily exists after a collision of atomic particles in the Hadron Collider we must say that the identified energy has transformed into an invisible, undetectable state. At the other end of the scale we can say, scientifically, that the big-bang theory is fatally flawed unless we state, categorically, that a superabundance of the same raw-material existed beforehand...before the big-bang.
So...take your choice...if it existed then Almighty God, and Jesus Christ, have an extra tool in their tool-bag to describe the mechanics of the universe, whilst science, by its desire to twist their own truth, is on the losing end of a very profound science...because their latest deceit states that Almighty God or Jesus Christ have no place in their sciences...but they are wrong...they exist within the science of a superabundant, dynamic energy, which, in its purest form, is invisible and undetectable, and which, naturally, holds a brand new science to build a new heavens and a new Earth out of.
Scientifically illiterate gibberish.
Just gibberish.
Nicholas you've had your say & you've had your day.My suggestion, it's time to move on to greener pastures but come back when your're more friendly.
Friendship isn't what drives me Robbie...it's loving concern for my fellowmen. Through Biblical instruction I have recognised the traits that indicate we are living through the last days. There are many great tribulations taking place right now. The most pressing of these is the approach of a celestial body that is bringing a huge ammount of red oxide dust with it. It is already entering our atmosphere and I suspect will get far worse...but, with solid Christian guidelines and prayer we should stay calm and endure it as best we can because this is just one of many tribulations which Jesus Christ wants us to be prepared for. As always...it is down to the individual...I just pray you will all have the righteous spiritual attitude required to endure because the alternative is far worse.
Friendship isn't what drives me Robbie...it's loving concern for my fellowmen. Through Biblical instruction I have recognised the traits that indicate we are living through the last days. There are many great tribulations taking place right now. The most pressing of these is the approach of a celestial body that is bringing a huge ammount of red oxide dust with it. It is already entering our atmosphere and I suspect will get far worse...but, with solid Christian guidelines and prayer we should stay calm and endure it as best we can because this is just one of many tribulations which Jesus Christ wants us to be prepared for. As always...it is down to the individual...I just pray you will all have the righteous spiritual attitude required to endure because the alternative is far worse.
. The most pressing of these is the approach of a celestial body that is bringing a huge ammount of red oxide dust with it. It is already entering our atmosphere and I suspect will get far worse...
Go on then. Show your working?
He probably means "Rusty"; the 'good' Dalek the Doctor will encounter in the future.
It's about as realistic as the rest of the unsubstantiated guff NM posts.
Ye, NM - I mean you.
And I also mean 'unsubstantiated' - because you are completely unable to produce a shred of real evidence to back your dreams up.
He probably means "Rusty"; the 'good' Dalek the Doctor will encounter in the future.
It's about as realistic as the rest of the unsubstantiated guff NM posts.
Ye, NM - I mean you.
And I also mean 'unsubstantiated' - because you are completely unable to produce a shred of real evidence to back your dreams up.
The Holy Bible is all the evidence I need Anchorman and the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ. Not my reasoning...that is just extracted from the Holy Bible...but Jesus Christ has given us a knowledge that passeth all understanding...which I claim is a science because everything tallies...everything unifies into one understanding...the dream of all astrophysicists but who stumble over fitting gravity into the mix...yet, thanks to Jesus Christ, we know exactly how they all come together, including gravity. Now...when you read your Holy Bible, forget all the add-ons that Constantine engineered into religion, forget about the unjustified claims that Jesus and Almighty God are the same being...because that way you have written out one part of our Deity and substituted him with the other...and concentrate upon accepting that righteousness isn't out to ensnare you...what is written is true...no need to read it in many different languages, just use the natural innocent alertness of reasoning, that debogging your mind of all junk, offers to every aspect of your health, including the power of reason, but, most importantly, prepare yourself with the right attitude to be saved...or, as Jesus put it...prepare your lamp for the groom.
None of your of that nonsense is found in the Bible, it is entirely created by your extremely overactive imagination.
The Holy Bible is all the evidence I need Anchorman and the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ. Not my reasoning...that is just extracted from the Holy Bible...but Jesus Christ has given us a knowledge that passeth all understanding...which I claim is a science because everything tallies...everything unifies into one understanding...the dream of all astrophysicists but who stumble over fitting gravity into the mix...yet, thanks to Jesus Christ, we know exactly how they all come together, including gravity. Now...when you read your Holy Bible, forget all the add-ons that Constantine engineered into religion, forget about the unjustified claims that Jesus and Almighty God are the same being...because that way you have written out one part of our Deity and substituted him with the other...and concentrate upon accepting that righteousness isn't out to ensnare you...what is written is true...no need to read it in many different languages, just use the natural innocent alertness of reasoning, that debogging your mind of all junk, offers to every aspect of your health, including the power of reason, but, most importantly, prepare yourself with the right attitude to be saved...or, as Jesus put it...prepare your lamp for the groom.
The Holy Bible is all the evidence I need Anchorman and the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ. Not my reasoning...that is just extracted from the Holy Bible...but Jesus Christ has given us a knowledge that passeth all understanding...which I claim is a science because everything tallies...everything unifies into one understanding...the dream of all astrophysicists but who stumble over fitting gravity into the mix...yet, thanks to Jesus Christ, we know exactly how they all come together, including gravity.
Written like a true antiChristian might Littleroses...but if no one conveys Jesus' message to you you can't possibly be saved...and Almighty God has stated that he isn't being slow in his Judgement, as we measure slowness, but is delaying so that all can claim salvation...but one thing is certain...the science won't change...you must change, or be lost...but I suspect that as the great tribulations bear down heavily upon us, you will have a change of heart...unless, of course, you have taken on the number of the beast...It is the number of a man...666.
No "we" don't. Do enlighten us as to how you've reconciled gravity with quantum field theory. The world is waiting for your deep insight!
Actually I lied, everybody with any science education at all can tell from your posts that you know bugger all about science.
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If you can't get your head around that then you won't get your head around anything I say
...but Almighty God, endorsed by Jesus Christ, says clearly...look into the heavens, who put them all there, with the superabundance of his dynamic energy/mighty power, not one is missing...and everyone is identified and catalogued, according to the same verses, in Isaiah, if your interested.
It all begins and ends with an invisible, superabundant, dynamic energy...that has always been and always will be, Stranger.
Not unlike dark energy and dark matter, but with a much bigger bite.
If you can't get your head around that then you won't get your head around anything I say...
...but Almighty God, endorsed by Jesus Christ, says clearly...look into the heavens, who put them all there, with the superabundance of his dynamic energy/mighty power...
It all begins and ends with an invisible, superabundant, dynamic energy...that has always been and always will be, Stranger. Not unlike dark energy and dark matter, but with a much bigger bite. If you can't get your head around that then you won't get your head around anything I say...but Almighty God, endorsed by Jesus Christ, says clearly...look into the heavens, who put them all there, with the superabundance of his dynamic energy/mighty power, not one is missing...and everyone is identified and catalogued, according to the same verses, in Isaiah, if your interested.
Now...if you hit upon the correct science you can identify all things that have a scientific footprint...and Jesus Christ and Almighty God made those footprints.
I think Stranger has got his head around the fact that you know bugger all about science.
Only one 'translation' renders the words in that verse as 'dynamic energy', and that is the New World Translation. There is a reason for that, and it has nothing to do with the perpetrators' knowledge (or lack of) of Hebrew. There is a phenomenon among the fundamentalist fringe of 'Christian' sects, whether Trinitarian or otherwise, to be on the look out for various modern scientific developments, in order to see whether they might twist this or that biblical text to give it the appearance of scientific fore-knowledge. By this they attempt to give the Bible added credibility, except where modern science goes completely against certain cherished literal interpretations of the text (such as Evolution by Natural Selection). In such cases as the latter, the game is to misquote and cherry-pick the words of maverick scientists in order to give a false legitimacy to so-called 'Biblical science'. The Jehovah's Witnesses have a little team of 'science watchers' specially devoted to this sort of task.
You yourself are simply a variant of this, carried to an extreme. Thinking that by arbitrarily scattering unrelated scientific-sounding phrases such as 'Hadron collider' 'Black Holes' 'Big bang' and Einstein's famous equation you give your fantasies credibility. You don't.
By the way, you still haven't answered my question as to where in the Bible it says that God died and was resurrected before the life, death and supposed resurrection of Jesus.
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I think Stranger has got his head around the fact that you know bugger all about science.
Only one 'translation' renders the words in that verse as 'dynamic energy', and that is the New World Translation. There is a reason for that, and it has nothing to do with the perpetrators' knowledge (or lack of) of Hebrew. There is a phenomenon among the fundamentalist fringe of 'Christian' sects, whether Trinitarian or otherwise, to be on the look out for various modern scientific developments, in order to see whether they might twist this or that biblical text to give it the appearance of scientific fore-knowledge. By this they attempt to give the Bible added credibility, except where modern science goes completely against certain cherished literal interpretations of the text (such as Evolution by Natural Selection). In such cases as the latter, the game is to misquote and cherry-pick the words of maverick scientists in order to give a false legitimacy to so-called 'Biblical science'. The Jehovah's Witnesses have a little team of 'science watchers' specially devoted to this sort of task.
You yourself are simply a variant of this, carried to an extreme. Thinking that by arbitrarily scattering unrelated scientific-sounding phrases such as 'Hadron collider' 'Black Holes' 'Big bang' and Einstein's famous equation you give your fantasies credibility. You don't.
By the way, you still haven't answered my question as to where in the Bible it says that God died and was resurrected before the life, death and supposed resurrection of Jesus.
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One of the problems with this is that energy isn't stuff - it's like momentum. It's a number we can calculate that keeps track of the fact that the laws of physics don't change over time - momentum keeps track of the fact that they don't vary from place to place. In relativity, we combine them into the energy-momentum four-vector.
Anyway, one of the upshots of all that is that you can't have energy just hanging around by itself (no matter how "invisible, superabundant, and dynamic" it might happen to be). There has to be something that has energy.
Since these are just labels for observations that we currently have no tested theories to explain, that doesn't help very much. It is also almost certain that they are two very, very different things.
How do you calculate the bigness of bite? What units is it measured in?
It's not a question of getting my head around it - what you've said is scientifically meaningless gibberish.
Gibberish again - apart from anything else you can't (scientifically) put "dynamic energy/mighty power" (unless it's supposed to be a division, in which case, you're saying "...who put them all there, with the superabundance of his dynamic and mighty time") - power and energy aren't the same thing.
You are clearly utterly (and rather comically, at times) clueless when it comes to science and pretending otherwise is dishonest. Perhaps you think lying for Jesus is okay?
It doesn't matter how you phrase it or how science has interpreted their facts, by ignoring Almighty God they have ignored the essence of all science.
It is indisputable...
This alone tells me that you have no idea at all of even what science means. If I were a betting man, I'd place a substantial amount of money on you have exactly zero qualifications in anything remotely related to science. You are completely scientifically illiterate.
On the contrary, anybody with so much as a GCSE in general science is very likely to dispute it.
You are free to believe any crazy nonsense you like, but calling what you believe science is delusional or dishonest.
You must think that screaming abuse, ridicule and all other derogatory remarks is something new to mankind Stranger...It is a well known tactic and just shows the character of the abuser.
Jesus Christ, himself, suffered much of it, but he still got his point across, which is, that there is a superabundant, dynamic energy, that is all around us all the time, and if we harness it righteously, as Jesus Christ, alone, taught us to, then repair, resurrection, and everlasting life becomes available to us...A code that brings alive all the fruits Jesus promised. Now the problem with that is it is the same energy that evil thrives on by manipulation and abuse, winding up the masses and generally surviving off the distress and ill health they course...but not for much longer...hey.
You must think that screaming abuse, ridicule and all other derogatory remarks is something new to mankind Stranger...It is a well known tactic and just shows the character of the abuser.
Or it is a reasonable response to what you say, Nick: aside from the 'screaming abuse' accusation, which none of your regular interlocutors is guilty of.
Just no, Nick: this is theobabble of the first order.
'Screaming abuse' was a reference to the tactics used by certain groups in society who want their own way and will condemn, via 'screaming abuse' any that hold a different view to their own...it has caused wars and responsible for many atrocities.
It is a well known fact that Jesus was ridiculed to the point of crucifixion by his opponents who sent out hordes to condemn him via their screaming abuse within the crowds who released Barabbas instead of Jesus.
As for the science...well...it is supported by the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...which is why I always say, follow Jesus accurately, knowing that we are then following the science accurately, as well, and it is Jesus who said that contained within his teaching is everlasting life...Those that follow me (Jesus) will never die. It is only contentious because we are so far removed from righteousness...and time is against us.
I'm pointing out the obvious fact (to anybody who does understand some science) that you know nothing about science and clearly don't understand the science words you use. There is no shame it not knowing about science but you should be ashamed of pretending that you do.
You are bearing false witness.
Well, I know that, like a cancer-cell torments surrounding cells with short, sharp, wild and uncontrollable shock tactics, a bully will torment the nervous energy out of their neighbours, as well, forming a nasty tumour of like minded people who go around in gangs creating havoc, even death, because they to live by wild and uncontrollable laws. Now, don't you think that it is scientifically conceivable that Jesus Christ knew this as well and, using his Godly knowledge, was showing and teaching us how to keep our genetic health soothed and calm...because its a certain fact that since the populations have been so wildly and hysterically manipulated that the occurence of cancer has gone through the roof...and so, perhaps, Jesus had the answer all along. His accurate word, that is, not the iniquitous versions that many are so fond of.
Pretty much bullshit.
There has always been cancer; we see more of it now partly because we are living longer and partly because we can now afford unhealthy lifestyles. If someone was wildly and hysterically manipulating us we'd lock them up.
Gordon...
You see, Gordon, we are each coming from different perspectives.
The Holy Bible and in particular, the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ is proven to me beyond any doubt whatsoever.
It is convincing you that I see as an imperative because the world is facing its greatest calamity since its inception which Almighty God will turn around to be one of his greatest successes.
It is all in Revelation but if the words of loving care contained within the Holy Bible, in particular the words of Jesus Christ, are of no importance to you, then I'm afraid you can just carry on as you are.
Science is finding and proving the truth behind the mechanics of the things we study and I have studied many truths especially how the poor masses are being emotionally bludgeoned by false practices and that Jesus Christ has all the answers for those who want and seek those answers which are becoming more urgent every day.
You would think so wouldn't you torri...but what about all the wind-up merchants like advertisers...propaganda agendas...musical poets (pop stars)...celebrities...actors...and don't forget the various media tools we are exposed to...It's an awful lot to lock up. Everyone of them drains the nervous strength of their audience and everyone of them contributes to the increase in cancer statistics...according to the electric laws of the universe, anyway, which Jesus Christ certainly understood to the max.
You forgot to mention religious enthusiasts with over-active imaginations and a tendency towards gullibility.
Well, I know that, like a cancer-cell torments surrounding cells with short, sharp, wild and uncontrollable shock tactics, a bully will torment the nervous energy out of their neighbours, as well, forming a nasty tumour of like minded people who go around in gangs creating havoc, even death, because they to live by wild and uncontrollable laws. Now, don't you think that it is scientifically conceivable that Jesus Christ knew this as well and, using his Godly knowledge, was showing and teaching us how to keep our genetic health soothed and calm...because its a certain fact that since the populations have been so wildly and hysterically manipulated that the occurence of cancer has gone through the roof...and so, perhaps, Jesus had the answer all along. His accurate word, that is, not the iniquitous versions that many are so fond of.
You would think so wouldn't you torri...but what about all the wind-up merchants like advertisers...propaganda agendas...musical poets (pop stars)...celebrities...actors...and don't forget the various media tools we are exposed to...It's an awful lot to lock up. Everyone of them drains the nervous strength of their audience and everyone of them contributes to the increase in cancer statistics...according to the electric laws of the universe, anyway, which Jesus Christ certainly understood to the max.
torri/Anchorman/Gordon...
God is a Spirit and all that worship him must do so in spirit and in truth.
Now, this God, the same God who sent Jesus Christ, has certain attributes, which Jesus also portrayed, one of which was absolute truth. He didn't deviate from truth and one of his truths is that he, Almighty God, is involved in every aspect of existence. His laws make everything happen...so you can see, I'm sure, that every scientific law is spiritual as well...and this is easily achieved when we realise that every atom is the by-product of the same spiritual energy. It is the same spiritual energy that Jesus taught us about that drives us as well...we too have a spiritual identity if we choose and here is just how powerful that spiritual science can be because it brought into existence a body of people who are still around today...the Jews...and regardless of how much pain and suffering they have endured they still cling to the teaching of their original founder...Almighty God, Jehovah. Many would say that the laws that Jews follow are pretty peculiar but that is because we don't take into account the spiritual nature that is at work within us...but Jesus...a Jew...showed us how the same laws can be adapted to suit a more advanced people...you and I...providing we take him seriously.
So, if atoms and everything that exists within the entire universe follow these special laws of God...we should as well...else we get lost. We get lost in our genetic health and this can be the most painful of all our losses. The Holy Bible calls it sin...when we work in a style that is wasteful of our inner electric strength...and we forfeit the power required for resurrection. Anyone who points this out to you is doing you a favour.
Science will save the day which is looming large upon us all...but it will be God's righteous science not the pamperings of a middle-class elite who juggle their sciences with the golf course.
Statistics tell me that most feel as you do...but it is to their folly...because Revelation is the book we should be taking note of right now and of course, the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.
torri/Anchorman/Gordon... God is a Spirit and all that worship him must do so in spirit and in truth. Now, this God, the same God who sent Jesus Christ, has certain attributes, which Jesus also portrayed, one of which was absolute truth. He didn't deviate from truth and one of his truths is that he, Almighty God, is involved in every aspect of existence. His laws make everything happen...so you can see, I'm sure, that every scientific law is spiritual as well...and this is easily achieved when we realise that every atom is the by-product of the same spiritual energy. It is the same spiritual energy that Jesus taught us about that drives us as well...we too have a spiritual identity if we choose and here is just how powerful that spiritual science can be because it brought into existence a body of people who are still around today...the Jews...and regardless of how much pain and suffering they have endured they still cling to the teaching of their original founder...Almighty God, Jehovah. Many would say that the laws that Jews follow are pretty peculiar but that is because we don't take into account the spiritual nature that is at work within us...but Jesus...a Jew...showed us how the same laws can be adapted to suit a more advanced people...you and I...providing we take him seriously. So, if atoms and everything that exists within the entire universe follow these special laws of God...we should as well...else we get lost. We get lost in our genetic health and this can be the most painful of all our losses. The Holy Bible calls it sin...when we work in a style that is wasteful of our inner electric strength...and we forfeit the power required for resurrection. Anyone who points this out to you is doing you a favour. Science will save the day which is looming large upon us all...but it will be God's righteous science not the pamperings of a middle-class elite who juggle their sciences with the golf course. Statistics tell me that most feel as you do...but it is to their folly...because Revelation is the book we should be taking note of right now and of course, the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.
Anchorman/Littleroses...
I'm away for a few days so I thought you might enjoy the evidence I have amassed so far towards understanding the electric nature of the universe and Jesus Christ's accurate teaching. Your inputs have been useful but it is still in the state of being updated...And, as I claim our health is a vital part of its reasoning, I'll let you be the judge.
https://sites.google.com/site/projectontheuniverse/grand-unification-of-the-universal-forces
Anchorman/Littleroses...
I'm away for a few days so I thought you might enjoy the evidence I have amassed so far towards understanding the electric nature of the universe and Jesus Christ's accurate teaching. Your inputs have been useful but it is still in the state of being updated...And, as I claim our health is a vital part of its reasoning, I'll let you be the judge.
https://sites.google.com/site/projectontheuniverse/grand-unification-of-the-universal-forces
Anchorman/Littleroses...
I'm away for a few days so I thought you might enjoy the evidence I have amassed so far towards understanding the electric nature of the universe and Jesus Christ's accurate teaching. Your inputs have been useful but it is still in the state of being updated...And, as I claim our health is a vital part of its reasoning, I'll let you be the judge.
https://sites.google.com/site/projectontheuniverse/grand-unification-of-the-universal-forces
https://sites.google.com/site/projectontheuniverse/grand-unification-of-the-universal-forces
I can't help suspecting that this is some sort of joke. Every page is total, unmitigated drivel but it somehow manages to totally avoid any actual true statement about science - it is perfectly inaccurate. Every statement (that I've found so far) is either meaningless or false. You'd have thought he might have made one or two true statement just by chance...
I can't help suspecting that this is some sort of joke. Every page is total, unmitigated drivel but it somehow manages to totally avoid any actual true statement about science - it is perfectly inaccurate. Every statement (that I've found so far) is either meaningless or false. You'd have thought he might have made one or two true statement just by chance...
With which part of 'peer reviewd evidence' are you having issues with?
What I see here is not evidence - not by a long chalk; just the usual same old, same old -
assertions, false claims, pseudoscientific gunk and drivel couched to make the gullible think you know what you're on about.
Let's have some real, authoratative, peer reviewed evidence, please.
God is a Spirit...a pure, living limb, of the entire electric energy that is the universe, for which he speaks and over which he has all authority. Jesus Christ is now a pure, undefiled spirit too...and he showed us how it is done. The evidence is all in the Holy Bible and my thoughts are all extracted from the Holy Bible and so it is wise to take note. We aren't excused because we say we don't believe in Biblical teaching or that we prefer man's interpretation rather than God's and Jesus', because, in so doing a person is forfeiting the benefits of the science and the benefits of resurrection and both are required for everlasting life. I won't re-state the Biblical alternative...only to remind you that it is very grim indeed, and will involve an eternal placement of the part of us that lives forever where it would rather not be...Repentance is the only answer...and if a thousand people, or even a million, decide, that it will not happen...it won't make the slightest difference.
It's all in the Holy Bible.
For crying out loud, NM;
No Christian, never mind no scientist, will tell you that the Bibble is the evidence for the Bible.
Because it isn't.
It was never meant to be.
The canon of Scripture was not meant to stand alone aloof from creation, but as PART of creation. You have NOT - repeat NOT - produced even a fragment of peer- reviewed evidence, either here or on your site, to substantiate your claim.
Not one iota.
For crying out loud, NM;
No Christian, never mind no scientist, will tell you that the Bibble is the evidence for the Bible.
Because it isn't.
It was never meant to be.
The canon of Scripture was not meant to stand alone aloof from creation, but as PART of creation. You have NOT - repeat NOT - produced even a fragment of peer- reviewed evidence, either here or on your site, to substantiate your claim.
Not one iota.
If you said one point doesn't really prove another, unconnected point, then you might just be right Anchorman. ..but I am showing you that the entire universe, including the Holy Bible, which is a strong point of evidence in my case, is connected with so many different facets of the universe...including the unification of sciences greatest prize...The Grand Unification of the Four Universal Forces. I don't claim to be clever...I claim Almighty God is clever and so is his Son, Jesus Christ because they justify everything I have presented to you...including their forthcoming Judgement which only righteousness can assist us in because it too takes its roots from the foundation stones beneath our universal existence...being God's dynamic energy.
If you said one point doesn't really prove another, unconnected point, then you might just be right Anchorman. ..but I am showing you that the entire universe, including the Holy Bible, which is a strong point of evidence in my case...
...is connected with so many different facets of the universe...including the unification of sciences greatest prize...The Grand Unification of the Four Universal Forces.
Unfortunately, you appear to have no understanding of what the word 'evidence' actually means.
Except that it's clear from your site that you know nothing about this problem or even, for that matter, what 'force' or 'energy' mean. If you deleted every word on your site that relates to science, the scientific accuracy of it would be vastly increased since everything you say about science is either meaningless or plain wrong.
Evidence is the absolute proof of something so that that something is undeniable.
Jesus Christ supplied the evidence of his own existence...his own death and his own resurrection and the proof of it is supported by many honest, eye-witnesses, who were involved...and the lasting proof being that his 'word' is still around us today. It also exposes another evidence which is that many people will deny that evidence because it suits them or their attitude not to answer to the many points of righteousness, which, really, many laws of many nations pretend to uphold.
Force and energy...These are the same thing in Biblical terminology.
Have you ever wondered why so many points of physics have mathematical constants which endure throughout science...it's because the mechanics of force and energy have the same birthroots as described in my account of it all.
Almighty God is both force and energy.
Unfortunately, you appear to have no understanding of what the word 'evidence' actually means.
Evidence is the absolute proof of something so that that something is undeniable.
Force and energy...These are the same thing in Biblical terminology.
Have you ever wondered why so many points of physics have mathematical constants which endure throughout science...
...it's because the mechanics of force and energy have the same birthroots as described in my account of it all.
Almighty God is both force and energy.
Evidence is the absolute proof of something so that that something is undeniable.
QED.
Which is neither here nor there when you are talking about "the unification of sciences greatest prize...The Grand Unification of the Four Universal Forces" - which is scientific problem that requires that you have some idea what a 'force' is in scientific terms.
That doesn't even make sense.
Gibberish. I have yet to find a single statement about science in your "account of it all" that is true. Your "account of it all" is perfectly inaccurate as far as science is concerned.
If you are using different ("Biblical terminology") definitions of the words 'force' and 'energy' and then want to connect it to science, you need to make clear what the relationship between the two definitions is, otherwise your statements collapse into meaningless gibberish, which is exactly what they do.
Which is (scientifically) both contradictory and impossible since force is not the same as energy and neither is 'stuff' that can exist in its own right.
One of my cleverest points, extracted from the Holy Bible, is the two dimensional universe...
...proven by solving many universal mysteries..for those who are able to wrap their minds around it...
...shows how all the energy and force came together in the first place and why they are controlled by precise mathematical equations...
So, if we are correct here...
...if we follow the science accurately...
We can safely add 'dimension' to the the list of words you don't understand.
There is, quite literally, nothing for anybody to get their minds around - what you refer to as 'science' in your posts and site are totally meaningless strings or words or, when they do make some sense, are simply wrong.
Equations? I can't wait, do share. (Not holding breath.)
You're not - most of what you say isn't even wrong, just gibberish.
You have yet to post any science.
If you find it hard to understand that the dimensional form of the universe was totally different after the big-bang than it was beforehand then you aren't even trying, Stranger...
...but there it is, deduced from Biblical instruction, and all the universal mechanics come together in a wonderful way...
...even why some galaxies give the illusion that they are moving faster than the speed of light.
Firing dung-balls with no intention of caring much where they fall is irresponsible and shows a complete lack of scientific integrity...
...especially when the hoax of everything erupting out of a bump smaller than a spot on a flea's bottom is about to be exposed...with full Biblical support and validity.
.....even why some galaxies give the illusion that they are moving faster than the speed of light.Ok explain why.
More gibberish. If you actually cared enough to put any real effort into what you are trying to say, you would actually learn some science, so that you could construct sentences that actually made sense in that subject, but that would involve some real effort, rather than simple fantasising.
It is you who clearly can't be arsed to invest any real intellectual effort.
So why can't you actually say anything meaningful about it?
They don't.
Your bullshit being a perfect illustration of such irresponsibility. Of course it's somewhat mitigated by the fact that anybody with so much as a gcse in science could probably see through it.
Once again demonstrating wall-to-wall ignorance of cosmology...
ETA: where are those equations?
Again...you don't bring anything to the table...just a hostile desire to ridicule.Some might say that.
Ok explain why.
The speed of light, Seb, is one of the universal constants I mentioned...A mathematical constant (186000 mps if your interested) that cannot be breached, because the mechanics that set it in motion installed it as a universal constant. Using the singularity as the starting point, then, some galaxies have been measured as going faster than the speed of light, to be where they are now...but the truth is that they didn't start from a singularity but were millions of light-years away before the shock-waves and hurricane storm forces reached them and, therefore, are much younger than we perceive them to be.
The irony here is that we don't have to travel at the speed of light for time to stand still...there is a much easier concept that is best summed up as, and I quote...'A day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years a day'.
No Seb...This is an honest, righteous and frank exchange of views...but I dread to think what your response will be...cus there not usually very righteous.
Again...you don't bring anything to the table...
...just a hostile desire to ridicule.
I have met many people just like you. You can't or won't accept Biblical truth and are prepared to belittle it with the most obvious tactics ever used to ridicule a Bible supporter...
There is no point in saving those already saved so I'm just trying to save you...and anyone else who can see the validity of righteousness in time.
Which comic books have you been reading?
See...even you can grasp the concept of dung-balls for answers Seb/Maeght...not unexpected though.
You claim your views have to do with science and yet you are unable or unwilling to actually produce anything like a scientific argument, then you accuse me of not bringing anything to the table! Take a look at Matthew 7:5.
What I am pointing out is your blatant dishonesty. You claim to use science when you clearly don't and when you show no evidence at all that you understand even the most basic of scientific concepts (the difference between force and energy, for example).
I've also read the bible and your non-science isn't in there either. You are clearly no more a "Bible supporter" than a scientist.
If you actually cared about your message, you'd make the effort to understand those things you claim to be talking about. I suspect you just want to appear clever to uneducated and gullible.
The speed of light, Seb, is one of the universal constants I mentioned...A mathematical constant (186000 mps if your interested) that cannot be breached, because the mechanics that set it in motion installed it as a universal constant.
Using the singularity as the starting point, then, some galaxies have been measured as going faster than the speed of light, to be where they are now...but the truth is that they didn't start from a singularity but were millions of light-years away before the shock-waves and hurricane storm forces reached them and, therefore, are much younger than we perceive them to be.
The irony here is that we don't have to travel at the speed of light for time to stand still...there is a much easier concept that is best summed up as, and I quote...'A day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years a day'.
Which part don't you like Stranger...
It was a fair question since you clearly haven't been reading any science text books.
Which part don't you like Stranger...The fact that I say Jesus Christ was resurrected because his righteous teaching gave his physical being an extra spiritual dimension and that by accepting his teaching and following him, accurately, causes a similar reaction in us...encouraging him to say of those who follow him they will never die. Now...if that is the case there must be a science explaining it...and here it is...harness an invisible, indestructible energy, within us, that is the same energy that also created all the stars, then we are doing exactly what Jesus told us to do...and arguing about it won't topple the science...whilst believing in fairness, honesty, good-will, peace, love, harmony and righteousness will secure it for us. ps...belief here means incorporating those practices into our daily lives not just repeating, parrot fashion, what the clergy of the middle classes tells you.
Well...there you have it...I believe the Holy Bible implicitly...but then I would because I have discovered a wonderful science embedded in its teaching, Maeght. Don't worry if you can't see the same science even though I have explained it to you...Weeping and gnashing your teeth might be your favourite past-time...and who am I to try and save you from yourself...if a sulphurous eviction, lasting for all eternity, is your heart's desire.
The part where you pretend to understand science when you obviously don't.
Well...there you have it...I believe the Holy Bible implicitly...but then I would because I have discovered a wonderful science embedded in its teaching...
Science, for me, Stranger, is working out what is going on in a repeatable way, over and over again, until a better reasoning comes along. Well...I have linked this dynamic energy into every facet of science and no one has proven me wrong....yet. I got it all from the Holy Bible so the Holy Bible is either scientifically spot on else Almighty God has been playing tricks on us...but the science says he isn't...so...the ones in error are the ones who condemn the Holy Bible because they have failed to see it as a resource to find valuable scientific information from...and yours and my resurrection is what is at stake if we bull-nose our way through what is truly a profound and wonderful science...but I know for a fact, cus it's in the Holy Bible...that there is a time-limit and it all revolves around things which will be presented from the heavens and I believe that very soon it will be totally undeniable.
Science, for me, Stranger...
Well...I have linked this dynamic energy into every facet of science...
...and no one has proven me wrong....yet.
This is why the Holy bible says we suffer from the sins of our fathers and our forefathers because the genetic malfunctions thus caused, is how death came into the world. This is how we know that our spiritual abuses constitute sin...because death came into the world because of our sins.
To select just one point you raise, Nick: it is inarguable fact that death predates people since we have examples of dead things that died long before there were any people - therefore you are wrong in what you say.
Thank you for that Gordon...you see...according to my understanding,
extracted from a combination of science and God's written word...seeing them as both being accurate and correct...
that life had evolved here for a very long time before the planet became void. It is likely that a mishap that appears to be returning this way caused a catastrophe that rendered this planet lifeless, even though it contained all the ingredients for life...it just needed a little kick-start. I say this because God says that the planet, whilst being void had darkness on the face of the watery deep which describes a planet tidally locked...all it needed was a little spin on its axis.
Then we can see that Adam and Eve represented a new beginning for life whilst the planet still contained evidence of its previous existence...but in Almighty God's records it marked a new beginning.
Thank you for that Gordon...you see...according to my understanding, extracted from a combination of science and God's written word...seeing them as both being accurate and correct...that life had evolved here for a very long time before the planet became void. It is likely that a mishap that appears to be returning this way caused a catastrophe that rendered this planet lifeless, even though it contained all the ingredients for life...it just needed a little kick-start. I say this because God says that the planet, whilst being void had darkness on the face of the watery deep which describes a planet tidally locked...all it needed was a little spin on its axis. Then we can see that Adam and Eve represented a new beginning for life whilst the planet still contained evidence of its previous existence...but in Almighty God's records it marked a new beginning.
Thank you for that Gordon...you see...according to my understanding, extracted from a combination of science and God's written word...seeing them as both being accurate and correct...that life had evolved here for a very long time before the planet became void. It is likely that a mishap that appears to be returning this way caused a catastrophe that rendered this planet lifeless, even though it contained all the ingredients for life...it just needed a little kick-start. I say this because God says that the planet, whilst being void had darkness on the face of the watery deep which describes a planet tidally locked...all it needed was a little spin on its axis. Then we can see that Adam and Eve represented a new beginning for life whilst the planet still contained evidence of its previous existence...but in Almighty God's records it marked a new beginning.
We can then say that genetic malfunctions are the result of our emotional/nervous behaviour, going back to the behaviour of our fathers and our forefathers, and in addition to this, that evolution is controlled by the nervous behaviour of a species because it then becomes obvious that when they reach out for vital, environmental necessities, they can alter their genetic code. This being evolutions first law.
The key points are that there is an invisible, undetectable, superabundant, dynamic energy behind the entire books of both the Holy Bible and science...
Science has reached the point where it talks about free energy...
Stranger/torridon/Maeght/Robbie/ippy/Gordon/Anchorman...
From my perspective the Holy Bible is 100% accurate and making science fit into its profile the force behind what I am saying throughout all of my reasoning. The key points are that there is an invisible, undetectable, superabundant, dynamic energy behind the entire books of both the Holy Bible and science which both unify under the understanding that everything is energy...I make no apologies for that.
Science has reached the point where it talks about free energy but the Holy Bible has reached the point where the highest authority in the universe tells us how we can harness this energy, upbuild it in a wonderful way which guarantees everlasting life in a world and a universe that embraces that high authority to the max. Of course we aren't there yet, but it is forthcoming and there are special laws to capture these wonderful promises by...they are called righteousness and they are all embraced within the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ as long as we read and follow what he says rather than the twisted and mudded versions that iniquity offers....Take it or leave it...but forthcoming events wont need me to guide you through them...that is the exclusive domain of Jesus Christ's accurate teaching.
Stranger/torridon/Maeght/Robbie/ippy/Gordon/Anchorman...
From my perspective the Holy Bible is 100% accurate and making science fit into its profile the force behind what I am saying throughout all of my reasoning. The key points are that there is an invisible, undetectable, superabundant, dynamic energy behind the entire books of both the Holy Bible and science which both unify under the understanding that everything is energy...I make no apologies for that.
Science has reached the point where it talks about free energy but the Holy Bible has reached the point where the highest authority in the universe tells us how we can harness this energy, upbuild it in a wonderful way which guarantees everlasting life in a world and a universe that embraces that high authority to the max. Of course we aren't there yet, but it is forthcoming and there are special laws to capture these wonderful promises by...they are called righteousness and they are all embraced within the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ as long as we read and follow what he says rather than the twisted and mudded versions that iniquity offers....Take it or leave it...but forthcoming events wont need me to guide you through them...that is the exclusive domain of Jesus Christ's accurate teaching.
Stranger/torridon/Maeght/Robbie/ippy/Gordon/Anchorman...
From my perspective the Holy Bible is 100% accurate and making science fit into its profile the force behind what I am saying throughout all of my reasoning. The key points are that there is an invisible, undetectable, superabundant, dynamic energy behind the entire books of both the Holy Bible and science which both unify under the understanding that everything is energy...I make no apologies for that.
Science has reached the point where it talks about free energy but the Holy Bible has reached the point where the highest authority in the universe tells us how we can harness this energy, upbuild it in a wonderful way which guarantees everlasting life in a world and a universe that embraces that high authority to the max. Of course we aren't there yet, but it is forthcoming and there are special laws to capture these wonderful promises by...they are called righteousness and they are all embraced within the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ as long as we read and follow what he says rather than the twisted and mudded versions that iniquity offers....Take it or leave it...but forthcoming events wont need me to guide you through them...that is the exclusive domain of Jesus Christ's accurate teaching.
Maeght/Littleroses/Stranger/torri...
Stranger...
How's this Stranger...E=mc2. What that actually means is that all mass is energy. It also means that all energy, which is much more abundant than the mass it represents, was carefully packaged inside every single atom. Now, your task is to work out how that can possibly happen via a wild singularity with no energy to call its own, where as my method...extracted from the Holy Bible...gives us a clear indication because the higgs field was produced first and the slightest hint of a higgs-field in the middle of a dense field of dynamic energy has only one, calculatable result, and, depending upon how deep within that furnace it is, will syphon fixed amounts of energy into its bosom, in a very precise way...but its all getting very boring.
Littleroses...
You will find that Jesus Christ's teaching is at odds with most people who deny his existence Littleroses...and science isn't everyone's forte...but faith is perhaps more easily acceptable to those who know something very hostile is at work in their lives, and it isn't Jesus Christ.
Maeght...
It's your salvation that is at stake Maeght...It won't make much difference to me but it will to you. You see...for Almighty God and Jesus Christ to bring everyone into one state of harmony we all need to change our attitudes and this will be the deciding factor upon who is saved because, even you Maeght, must realise that the world can't continue as it is for much longer and it is very comforting to know you are on the winning team without much more effort than just trying to be righteous.
torridon...
I'm not sure that 'wibble' is a word torri, but to contain any truthful meaning at all it must mean...here is a wonderful science, with hall-marks of Biblical truth stamped all over it and we must all try to adopt its teaching into our daily lives, before it's too late. Then the word 'wibble' could have been correctly used.
Maeght/Littleroses/Stranger/torri...
Maeght...
It's your salvation that is at stake Maeght...It won't make much difference to me but it will to you. You see...for Almighty God and Jesus Christ to bring everyone into one state of harmony we all need to change our attitudes and this will be the deciding factor upon who is saved because, even you Maeght, must realise that the world can't continue as it is for much longer and it is very comforting to know you are on the winning team without much more effort than just trying to be righteous.
It's your salvation that is at stake Maeght...It won't make much difference to me but it will to you. You see...for Almighty God and Jesus Christ to bring everyone into one state of harmony we all need to change our attitudes and this will be the deciding factor upon who is saved because, even you Maeght, must realise that the world can't continue as it is for much longer and it is very comforting to know you are on the winning team without much more effort than just trying to be righteous.
I think a guy called Jesus existed, but what was claimed for him was not credible. Can you provide evidence to verify the virgin birth and resurrection?
torri/Littleroses/Maeght...
If I can shape and fashion a Biblically acceptable God who owns the entire universe and who dictates the terms and conditions of all who have a future hope in living in peace and harmony for all eternity, here on planet Earth...then certainly a clever and responsible 'being' could be shaped and fashioned by sharper, keener laws that have perhaps escaped my abilities...My version says that Almighty God exists because, whilst residing in Heaven...he broke the hidden code of nature and discovered that an indestructible energy can deliver an indestructible spirit that can discover, and formulate, all scientific knowledge that that universe offers, accurately and precisely...and that could only benefit those who are prepared to listen. Those that did listen counted in their great multitudes and because they were given such a rewarding life they stick with their Deity through thick and thin...and all this is recorded in the Holy Bible for those who read it honestly and openly and who have sidestepped the obvious traps that iniquity sponsor within it for their own benefits.
Those that cannot find the same faith, for whatever reason, will always be troublesome, working blindly for greed and selfishness, spitefully and inharmoniously, and so God has decreed that the next global event that will affect every person, the quick and the dead, at that time, and which is foretold in Revelation and on YouTube, will have to suffer the natural consequences of their disobedience...This is summed up in Revelation 21:8...where the disobedient will be whisked off to a future best described as eternal damnation...because the part of you that cannot die will be evicted from this planet, and into a sulphurous, fiery planet, for all eternity. Satan is busy building his defenses but they are like matchwood against a very forceful, electric universe and a righteous God.
torri/Littleroses/Maeght...
If I can shape and fashion a Biblically acceptable God who owns the entire universe and who dictates the terms and conditions of all who have a future hope in living in peace and harmony for all eternity, here on planet Earth...then certainly a clever and responsible 'being' could be shaped and fashioned by sharper, keener laws that have perhaps escaped my abilities...My version says that Almighty God exists because, whilst residing in Heaven...he broke the hidden code of nature and discovered that an indestructible energy can deliver an indestructible spirit that can discover, and formulate, all scientific knowledge that that universe offers, accurately and precisely...and that could only benefit those who are prepared to listen. Those that did listen counted in their great multitudes and because they were given such a rewarding life they stick with their Deity through thick and thin...and all this is recorded in the Holy Bible for those who read it honestly and openly and who have sidestepped the obvious traps that iniquity sponsor within it for their own benefits.
Those that cannot find the same faith, for whatever reason, will always be troublesome, working blindly for greed and selfishness, spitefully and inharmoniously, and so God has decreed that the next global event that will affect every person, the quick and the dead, at that time, and which is foretold in Revelation and on YouTube, will have to suffer the natural consequences of their disobedience...This is summed up in Revelation 21:8...where the disobedient will be whisked off to a future best described as eternal damnation...because the part of you that cannot die will be evicted from this planet, and into a sulphurous, fiery planet, for all eternity. Satan is busy building his defenses but they are like matchwood against a very forceful, electric universe and a righteous God.
The resurrection of Jesus Christ is quite outstanding isn't it Littleroses. The fact remains that Jesus did it to show us many points of scientific interest. The primary one being that he was working at an intellectual level far in advanced than you and I. This is proven by the fact that every aspect of the universe is the result of an invisible, indestructible, superabundant, scientific energy which can deliver resurrection to each and everyone of us. Not in the same, but terrible way, inflicted upon Jesus...but we can enter a new vessel, as per the Bible teaching about new wine in new vessels.
Does it work??
Well, Jesus Christ says it does...YouTube experiences say it does...Those that Jesus brought back to life indicates it does...I, for my very own personal reasons state categorically, that it does...The entire spiritual entity in the world, condemned by Biblical teaching, suggests it does...which just reinforces the Biblical statement, made by Jesus, that he went down into the depths of the Earth and snatched the keys of life and death out of Satan's hand, tells us that following him means we will never die...though the flesh may die the righteous spirit doesn't and can be called back to the flesh and into a new vessel, carefully controlled by righteous laws. Some people organise their lives according to lies and deceit but Jesus organised his life upon absolute truth and that is what gives my science sharp teeth and can give you, and all that follow righteousness, eternal blessings...but it all comes down to faith in Jesus Christ.
This is why I never respond to Sparky's posts.
Three gallons of batshit crazy in a two gallon bucket.
Littleroses/Shaker/torri/Maeght...
The secret about righteousness and salvation isn't that you respond, or absorb what is being told to you it is a satisfaction required by righteousness that everyone has been warned regardless of whether they are saved or not...That is their decision...and Jesus Christ is a compelling reason why people should listen.
Your ears will become sharper as the great tribulations bite...but your level of authority within the salvation offered will be proportionally diminished.
I suspect Nick that if, for the sake of argument, Armageddon does arrive any time soon: with fire, plague and disaster at every turn, and everyone everywhere crying loudly in fear and desperation - you'll be the happiest chappie on the planet.
I suspect Nick that if, for the sake of argument, Armageddon does arrive any time soon: with fire, plague and disaster at every turn, and everyone everywhere crying loudly in fear and desperation - you'll be the happiest chappie on the planet.
Maeght/Littleroses/Stranger/torri...
Stranger...
How's this Stranger...E=mc2. What that actually means is that all mass is energy. It also means that all energy, which is much more abundant than the mass it represents, was carefully packaged inside every single atom. Now, your task is to work out how that can possibly happen via a wild singularity with no energy to call its own, where as my method...extracted from the Holy Bible...gives us a clear indication because the higgs field was produced first and the slightest hint of a higgs-field in the middle of a dense field of dynamic energy has only one, calculatable result, and, depending upon how deep within that furnace it is, will syphon fixed amounts of energy into its bosom, in a very precise way...but its all getting very boring.
Littleroses...
You will find that Jesus Christ's teaching is at odds with most people who deny his existence Littleroses...and science isn't everyone's forte...but faith is perhaps more easily acceptable to those who know something very hostile is at work in their lives, and it isn't Jesus Christ.
Maeght...
It's your salvation that is at stake Maeght...It won't make much difference to me but it will to you. You see...for Almighty God and Jesus Christ to bring everyone into one state of harmony we all need to change our attitudes and this will be the deciding factor upon who is saved because, even you Maeght, must realise that the world can't continue as it is for much longer and it is very comforting to know you are on the winning team without much more effort than just trying to be righteous.
torridon...
I'm not sure that 'wibble' is a word torri, but to contain any truthful meaning at all it must mean...here is a wonderful science, with hall-marks of Biblical truth stamped all over it and we must all try to adopt its teaching into our daily lives, before it's too late. Then the word 'wibble' could have been correctly used.
Stranger...
How's this Stranger...E=mc2. What that actually means is that all mass is energy.
...shows how all the energy and force came together in the first place and why they are controlled by precise mathematical equations...
It also means that all energy, which is much more abundant than the mass it represents...
...was carefully packaged inside every single atom.
Now, your task is to work out how that can possibly happen via a wild singularity with no energy to call its own...
...where as my method...extracted from the Holy Bible...gives us a clear indication because the higgs field was produced first and the slightest hint of a higgs-field in the middle of a dense field of dynamic energy...
...has only one calculatable result...
...and, depending upon how deep within that furnace it is, will syphon fixed amounts of energy into its bosom, in a very precise way...
...but its all getting very boring.
This Laphroag's nice.
This Laphroag's nice.A sensible comment for once.
Now there's a good idea. :)
I suspect Nick that if, for the sake of argument, Armageddon does arrive any time soon: with fire, plague and disaster at every turn, and everyone everywhere crying loudly in fear and desperation - you'll be the happiest chappie on the planet.
Now we have established that mass is restructured energy...
...and is prone to some very predictable, calculable, behaviour patterns...
...we can look away from the singularity that science says installed it all inside every single atom...
...in such a wonderful and graceful way, and, to find true answers, we must consult the Holy Bible...God's superabundant, invisible, indestructible, dynamic energy, that structured these atoms in such a divine way that they obey the precise laws of chemistry, electricity, physics, and righteousness...
The higgs-field is a semi-portal into the primary dimension of the universe...
As tiny as it is it holds all the energy within an atom together.
The slightest hint of such a hole created within the swirling and crashing internal forces of a star is sufficient to suck-in energy from all directions in measured amounts because in a single gush, in less than a nanosecond, the hole that holds them becomes stable and excess energy is swept away causing the higgs-hole to pulse and suck in more energy until the higgs is captured and retained in the atom it just formed, for our future electric experiments. The higgs is kinda sprung-loaded in its stability but interference with that stability exposes the force of the higgs creating magnetism, chemistry, the speed of light, and ohms law...all dependant upon how we are looking at the problem.
So, in all our sciences there is a higgs story and the most compelling of these is how gravity, higgs, magnetism, electricity, living-cells, and righteousness, all work together, hand in hand with each other.
No we haven't because it isn't "restructured energy".
None of which you appear to know anything about.
Science says nothing of the sort.
Gibberish.
No it isn't and "the primary dimension of the universe" isn't a thing.
It isn't and it doesn't.
A final glob of meaning-free, scientifically illiterate, drivel.
I just ran it through a gibberish generator (http://) and it makes just as much sense:
So, in less than a nanosecond, the swirling and retained in the problem. So, in less than a nanosecond, the higgs is kinda sprung-loaded in hand with that stability but interference with that stability exposes the higgs, magnetism, electric experiments. The slight, and retained in hand with each other. The slighteousness, all directions in more energy is swept away causing the higgs-hole created with each other. The higgs, magnetism, electricity, living-cells, and righteousness, all our future el
What's the point of pretending to know something about science when it's blindingly obvious, to anybody with any sort of science education at all, that you know bugger all about it?
Your missing the point Stranger...it isn't me who owns this science...it is Almighty God...
I have just extracted it from his 'word'...the 'word' made flesh by Jesus Christ...
...who identifies God's righteousness and spiritual nature by his attitude, his teachings, and his resurrection...Failure to see this is really quite dangerous when we are living in a world and a universe where these laws hold the highest authority in the universe in check, especially as the forewarned menace of Wormwood and Satan are breathing down heavily upon us...but it's your choice...which is why the teaching of Jesus Christ is so easily dismissed, because there is no compulsion for us to share in his wonderful promises.
But the alternative is grim...very grim indeed.
Your missing the point Stranger...it isn't me who owns this science...it is Almighty God...I have just extracted it from his 'word'...the 'word' made flesh by Jesus Christ, who identifies God's righteousness and spiritual nature by his attitude, his teachings, and his resurrection...Failure to see this is really quite dangerous when we are living in a world and a universe where these laws hold the highest authority in the universe in check, especially as the forewarned menace of Wormwood and Satan are breathing down heavily upon us...but it's your choice...which is why the teaching of Jesus Christ is so easily dismissed, because there is no compulsion for us to share in his wonderful promises.
But the alternative is grim...very grim indeed.
Stranger/Littleroses...
The problem here is that you have both abandoned righteousness and then profess it as if you have read every detail...This scientific point cannot be rubbished...even though I'm sure you will...
The masses tell us this story...That Jesus instilled in us an emotional science that repeats and repeats because millions have attached themselves to that emotional science without realising the hidden structures behind it all. Every generation since Jesus has tried to attach themselves to that science because as a science it strengthens and supports the emotional weaknesses that are sitting beneath the accurate science and which catch us all out...sooner or later. Another powerful scientific principle is that tyrants and bullies have found it necessary to deceive the masses by pretending to own that emotional science of Jesus Christ whilst manipulating it into a nothingness...only fit for no one...but here is the clincher...the time is now when we will need that science more than ever...but it is up to the individual whether it will serve them any useful purpose or not.
I will return your reply for you...'gibberish' but it is gibberish with a powerful Christian bite.
The problem here is that you have both abandoned righteousness and then profess it as if you have read every detail...This scientific point cannot be rubbished...even though I'm sure you will...
Another powerful scientific principle is that tyrants and bullies have found it necessary to deceive the masses...
There is nothing Christian about your nonsense, it is created by you and has nothing to do with what is actually in the Bible.
You haven't made a scientific point and as for righteousness, it's not me that's peddling falsehoods and trying to deceive people, it's you. You are pretending to understand science and using its terms with zero understanding.
Deceiving "the masses" is what you are trying to do with your pretend science.
You have to read the Holy Bible and study it to know if that is true Littleroses...but...I'm afraid, you have been immersed in the teachings of the bogus Christians and it is their false teachings you are really repulsed over.
I've said before Stranger that dissing everything I say isn't proving a point, it is showing us whose side you are on and it isn't Jesus Christ's.
I think it is quite fantastic to identify, through the Holy Bible, a hidden, invisible, indestructible, superabundant force, which, when linked with the two universal dimensions clearly expressed in the Holy Bible...
...and proven by solid scientific reasoning, offers us 'the science of everything'...a science that Almighty God and his son Jesus Christ have been telling us about for many generations...
Here is the beauty of a wonderful universal science...it will not go away. I can go away...but the science won't...
...so it is perhaps best to put your chin to the grindstone, repent, and do what is necessary, Stranger, to make your peace with Almighty God and Jesus Christ, before it is too late.
There isn't any science in your posts to 'own' and it's definitely you, rather than some god, who's posting falsehoods about science here.
So you extracted this bullshit from the body of someone who died 2000 years ago? Somehow I don't think so.
And this further stream of gibberish justifies you posting plainly false claims about science, does it?
Sorry, have to butt in.
Wormwood comes across as a confused little devil.
Not as nasty as Screwtape........
Waits for NM to come up with evidence............
Each of NM's posts is even dafter than the previous one, and that is saying something! ::)
Wormwood is a celestial body which is coming towards us and is thought to cause and is causing massive interference with this planet. It is prophesied in Revelation so you must argue your point directly with Almighty God, Anchorman. The governments around the world appear to be playing it down whist preparing for it with great haste. If you were looking for the signs instead of playing devils advocate you would be seeing these things yourself but fortunately it isn't to late to see your errors...just read and follow the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...as he, himself taught us, and the science will blossom within you...as well.
That's just one of the problems when delivering a wonderful righteous truth to a closed mind Littleroses...but, if you allow righteousness to work within you you will realise that it is your closed mind that is at the root of many of your problems...and don't say you have no problems because invalidating our own resurrection is one of our biggest problems at the moment.
That has no impact upon me but on you it will, according to the Book you both claim to read but rubbish with great glee.
I have shown you how all the calculations of physics, chemistry, electricity and magnetic force were obtained...
...by showing you that there wasn't a big-bang, as such, but a clever redistribution of energy that required Almighty God, himself, to fathom out, and he, through his son, Jesus Christ has made sure that we have that same knowledge at our disposal so that we can build our lives on solid spiritual laws instead of the accidental and manipulative laws of Satan, who seeks to destroy everything righteous.
Notice how much of today's sciences are built upon the shoulders of Christian scientists who used the grace of God to devote their Christian freedom in finding these things out...yet today, the same sciences are followed and built upon by scurrilous scientists who deny the existence of the God who delivered those sciencess through his adherents in the first place. This is the same with all institutions...devised by right thinkers then bullyingly snatched out of their hands by Satan's cohorts.
But we have all got to reconsider our position now, because these same bullying scientists know that Wormwood isn't so very far off.
Wormwood is a celestial body which is coming towards us and is thought to cause and is causing massive interference with this planet.
The governments around the world appear to be playing it down whist preparing for it with great haste.
Some alternative views on Wormwood ...... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormwood_(Bible)
Littleroses/Stranger...
I feel a bit like John must have felt when he ate the contents of the little scroll...In his mouth it was very sweet but in his belly it was exceedingly bitter. You aren't applying yourselves to my science...which, of course, is really God's science. That has no impact upon me but on you it will, according to the Book you both claim to read but rubbish with great glee.
Littleroses/Stranger/Anchorman/ekim/torri...
I know it's hard when your own little bubble bursts...but think of it this way...All those victims in Gosport...all those violated in the Catholic orphanages...all those who have been deceived by unscrupulous dealings...all those who have turned to Jesus Christ for help in their most tragic times...times attributable to men doing devious things against innocent people...they will all be dealt with in one fowl swoop...in the twinkling of an eye...and that moment is recorded in Revelation 21:8.
Now, there is no harm in telling you how to be saved, but it could be greatly harmful if you refuse to listen. This is what Jesus Christ tells us...Though he has been our saviour from the day of his resurrection...he is certainly our saviour now, in our darkest hours...and resurrection with a wonderful science to support it is well worth exploring...but explore it quickly because Wormwood has no brakes.
Littleroses/Stranger/Anchorman/ekim/torri...
I know it's hard when your own little bubble bursts...but think of it this way...All those victims in Gosport...all those violated in the Catholic orphanages...all those who have been deceived by unscrupulous dealings...all those who have turned to Jesus Christ for help in their most tragic times...times attributable to men doing devious things against innocent people...they will all be dealt with in one fowl swoop...in the twinkling of an eye...and that moment is recorded in Revelation 21:8.
Now, there is no harm in telling you how to be saved, but it could be greatly harmful if you refuse to listen. This is what Jesus Christ tells us...Though he has been our saviour from the day of his resurrection...he is certainly our saviour now, in our darkest hours...and resurrection with a wonderful science to support it is well worth exploring...but explore it quickly because Wormwood has no brakes.
I know it's hard when your own little bubble bursts...
Now, there is no harm in telling you how to be saved, but it could be greatly harmful if you refuse to listen.
Now, there is no harm in telling you how to be saved, but it could be greatly harmful if you refuse to listen. This is what Jesus Christ tells us...Though he has been our saviour from the day of his resurrection...he is certainly our saviour now, in our darkest hours...and resurrection with a wonderful science to support it is well worth exploring...but explore it quickly because Wormwood has no brakes.
If there is a God then we are OK, a heavenly father will do whatever needs to be done to rescue his children if they are in danger and it will be nothing to do with us trying to believe your scientifically illiterate drivel.
...and the science just confirms that fact.
That is true, up to a certain point torri, the key word being...his...His children listen to his word and are not guided by wolves in sheep clothing. Revelation 21:8 clearly defines those who Almighty God is at odds with and these he will not save. They can however repent and be saved which means there is sufficient time left to harness a righteous spirit...but...be warned...the no hopers will do everything in their power to prevent you. Taking in the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ is a guarantee devoid of chance...and the science just confirms that fact.
Littleroses/Stranger/Anchorman/ekim/torri...
I know it's hard when your own little bubble bursts...but think of it this way...All those victims in Gosport...all those violated in the Catholic orphanages...all those who have been deceived by unscrupulous dealings...all those who have turned to Jesus Christ for help in their most tragic times...times attributable to men doing devious things against innocent people...they will all be dealt with in one fowl swoop...in the twinkling of an eye...and that moment is recorded in Revelation 21:8.
Now, there is no harm in telling you how to be saved, but it could be greatly harmful if you refuse to listen. This is what Jesus Christ tells us...Though he has been our saviour from the day of his resurrection...he is certainly our saviour now, in our darkest hours...and resurrection with a wonderful science to support it is well worth exploring...but explore it quickly because Wormwood has no brakes.
That is true, up to a certain point torri, the key word being...his...His children listen to his word and are not guided by wolves in sheep clothing. Revelation 21:8 clearly defines those who Almighty God is at odds with and these he will not save. They can however repent and be saved which means there is sufficient time left to harness a righteous spirit...but...be warned...the no hopers will do everything in their power to prevent you. Taking in the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ is a guarantee devoid of chance...and the science just confirms that fact.
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Stranger/torri/Anchorman/Littleroses...
Science is science...The problem arises when we don't look it square in the eye and twisting the Holy Bible out of the equation is doing just that. Anyone who has embraced the Holy Bible honestly knows that it is written from a knowledge base that passeth all understanding. It is a scientific knowledge base and by faith we can attach ourselves to that science...receive all its benefits...and start upon a voyage that will deliver everlasting life. The science will go along the same lines that I have presented here but it is Jesus Christ who we need to be following...that way we alter our own attitudes...make ourselves harmonious with all our neighbours...become more caring, kinder people, and open up the door to repair and resurrection...and it can't fail.
There is so much more to tell you...especially about my latest project...but you are unreceptive...and that isn't my fault...though time is of the essence.
Science is science...
The problem arises when we don't look it square in the eye and twisting the Holy Bible out of the equation is doing just that.
Anyone who has embraced the Holy Bible honestly knows that it is written from a knowledge base that passeth all understanding.
It is a scientific knowledge...
...but you are unreceptive...and that isn't my fault...
Stranger/torri/Anchorman/Littleroses...
Science is science...The problem arises when we don't look it square in the eye and twisting the Holy Bible out of the equation is doing just that. Anyone who has embraced the Holy Bible honestly knows that it is written from a knowledge base that passeth all understanding. It is a scientific knowledge base and by faith we can attach ourselves to that science...receive all its benefits...and start upon a voyage that will deliver everlasting life. The science will go along the same lines that I have presented here but it is Jesus Christ who we need to be following...that way we alter our own attitudes...make ourselves harmonious with all our neighbours...become more caring, kinder people, and open up the door to repair and resurrection...and it can't fail.
There is so much more to tell you...especially about my latest project...but you are unreceptive...and that isn't my fault...though time is of the essence.
In a classroom of students you find some kinder than others...some who have difficulty learning...some who try hard and some who don't try at all...
I'm guessing you're not aware of the irony here.
He calls them great tribulations and we are well into them.Details?
Of course I am Stranger...I have a wonderful science and a limited time to deliver itIt's not seeming that limited, if I'm honest.
Of course I am Stranger...
...I have a wonderful science...
...and a limited time to deliver it whilst you think you have all the time in the world.
You see...those that oppose righteousness...
I'm just urging you all to be ready.
In a classroom of students you find some kinder than others...some who have difficulty learning...some who try hard and some who don't try at all...these, latter students can be very disruptive and prefer to belittle and ridicule the teacher...some teachers make the grade and others don't. It seems that any group of people have similar characteristics and there is no exception here but the Holy Bible is a self driving force if we follow Jesus Christ accurately...so your arguments are against him...I'm just an interpreter of the spoken truth of the Holy Bible...and all the scientific leads exposed by the Holy Bible unify beautifully if we allow them to.
Anchorman...Unpleasant, arrogant and evasive post. You owe Anchorman an apology.
Can't you see the irony of your own words, Anchorman...I say read the Holy Bible as a true and honest rendition of God's and Jesus Christ's word and you want me to read anything but. I want you to see the scientific proof gleaned from the Holy Bible that a wonderful dynamic energy is responsible for the existence of God and the teaching of Jesus and you want to take me to task about a common Biblical concept that oppression is at the root of all distress and Jesus came to us to teach us how to escape oppression...a point well proven to me in my scientific inquiry. I say that the Holy Bible proves the Holy Bible because millions of adherents have been transformed by its teaching...a scientific principle that whether Moses, Jesus Christ, or Almighty God does it it achieves a powerful scientific result. Most of your Egyptian rulers had a spiritual guise because they knew they could harness many unwilling workers by fear and priestly deceit...but who cares?.? Almighty God and Jesus Christ do and because they care, I do too.
You can keep your would of deceit, corruption, power hungry causes of great distress...I want honesty, truth, justice, fairness, good will, and a ruler who warns us of hidden dangers rather than ones who hide them, pretend they aren't happening and endorse even greater distress much of which we have touched on here.
Unpleasant, arrogant and evasive post. You owe Anchorman an apology.
I apologise to anyone and everyone who find my posts unpleasant, arrogant and evasive. It's just that I support Biblical teaching to the hilt and perhaps sometimes my enthusiasm overpowers my pen.To avoid sounding that way you need to respond to the points made not just ignore them to repeat yourself. It's good that you have apologised but if you continue to ignore what people actually write, it's hollow.
Can I point out, as a Christian, NM, that both the authors I cited are themselves very committed Christians, the latter, McGrath, both a Christian and very well respected scientist...respected both by Christians and non-Christians alike? That's why I suggest you read them. You clam inspiration from Scripture? So did they - and their books are both inspiring and thought provoking, and, in the case of McGrath, backed up with subsyantive, scientific fact. Your apology is accepted. Your abject failure to respond to my points is not.
I find that the Holy Bible contains all the intellectual inspiration I need Anchorman. I briefly looked at Mr McGrath FRSA on wiki and I have no doubt that he is an upstanding man with strong Christian beliefs who has taken Richard Dawkin to task but my interest is deeper than these things. I have witnessed how peoples health fails them in certain environments where the type of emotional oppression I describe is overwhelming and I have seen how health and emotional stability can be corrected when the correct Christian attitude is applied...so I am a little reluctant to accept that a world in the state ours is in has any answers...intellectual or otherwise, other than what Jesus Christ offers and if you don't mind I will follow his lead...especially on a forum section that wants to discuss things about Jesus.
...a point well proven to me in my scientific inquiry.
Truth is, you more or less completely ignore Jesus, the words and sentiments attributed to him, in favour of Revelation, whose author is not known. A true follower of Jesus would take their primary inspiration from the gospels, not the deranged apocalyptic writings of Revelation. You are outed by your obvious bias.That would be my observation, too.
What 'scientific inquiry' NM? You have shown not the slightest evidence of any scientific, or, dare I say, historical knowledge? Oh, you've posted a couple of YouTube sites from rather....er...quirky sources, but that does not amount to inquiry. What are your qualifications? From what institution?
Here's some 'evidence' for you, NM. Yes, I know you're not a follower of the JW religion, but admire them. Here's a link showing the mess they get into when relying soley on the apocalyptic books in Scripture. https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/1800s.php You'll note that, so far, they have achieved a remarkable 100% failure rate. That, NM, should give you pause for though. Even a cursory look at the Gospels shows that, whilst Christ tells us to be ready for His return at some undetermined time, he makes it clear we are not to focus on it to the exclusion of His teaching on Salvation and the social Gospel - indeed, they take primacy. Stop this fixation with the endtime; stop predicting it - you have no more success in doing so than the Jehovah Witness religion, and, like them, make yourself the butt of sarcasm in doing so.
If Almighty God created the universe he sure as hell made the entire book of science...fit it all together and you will know the entire mechanics of that universe and I am saying that the Holy Bible is a carefully engineered work expressing that science.
It must be read in its entirety as written by a great author who wants to save us from the worst of Revelation…but there is only one way…the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ, without any twists or turns or preferences for one bit over another…and the science must reflect this...This is what I have tried to do.
Stranger/Anchorman/Littlerose/ekim/torri...
As with any wonderful science there are many different avenues to view it by...my latest project could only be written by an older person who has experienced life a little bit. Though you will condemn it...tear it to bits and otherwise trample all over it ploughing it through the mud and debris of the cesspool you may come to realise that it is written to guide you towards the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...and the fruits of that endeavour.
As we grow older the mechanics of the body deteriorate. This is a popular time for people to turn to Jesus...His teaching is an oasis in a very parched desert and this is why his 'word' carries so much weight. My latest project...still to be fully tested...is, that over our lives we are drawn into our disney mind. The whole mind is a double feature of our good health but if we abandon our correct stance by dreaming and fantasizing by way of celebrities, computer games, false hopes, etc. we do it at the expense of our mind that controls alertness, acumen, reasoning ability, and physical strength, and the consequences of this is that our breathing alters. Instead of sucking in huge amounts of air into both lungs the disney mind side becomes the primary lung and the other goes into a slow numbness not taking in anywhere near enough air and this causes that side of the body to go more and more numb as well. The consequences of this is middle-age spread to start with but this tells us that the entire inner body is under terrific strain and any number of illnesses can develop. So...when we come to consider Jesus Christ we will know that he has all the science he needs to ensure that after God's Judgement as written about in Revelation...Jesus will deliver a new heavens and a new Earth...for those saved.
As with any wonderful science...
...there are many different avenues to view it by...my latest project...
Nick if you watched a game of football with a group of friends, do you have a good chat about the game after it's finished or do you do a full sermon about the game?
Regards ippy
...in the name of science.
Dishonesty. You don't do anything in the name of science, you don't even seem to understand what science is.
I avoid all football ippy...in the name of science.
Same question Nick, substitute football with cricket and then see if you can give a sensible answer?
Regards ippy
That must be my industrial technician and lab experience showing through.
That must be my industrial technician and lab experience showing through.
I avoid all cricket, ippy...in the name of science.
Quidditch maybe? (Only joking Nick)
Quidditch is as credible as the garbage that guy posts. ::)
More so, actually. AFAIK quidditch makes sense, I mean, if you accept the necessary magic. Much of what NM posts simply doesn't. The meanings of the science terms he uses are incompatible with the sentences he puts them into, so it literally makes no sense at all. It's not even wrong, just devoid of meaning.
...and even you can agree that I was absolutely correct on what you would do with a scientific work that can help you like no other...that you would crucify it just as similar people crucified Jesus Christ.
I was joking when I mentioned Quidditch Nicholas.
It's obvious you don't want to engage with us in any way other than what you do currently.
I'd like to ask why you still post here, saying same things over and over with negative response?
Almost worse and as pointless than the Searching for God thread.
It's simple Robbie...This is part of a forum that wants to discus Jesus Christ, which I like to do...but it is also apparent that the vast majority here are in fact antiChrist and I like to redress that balance...The electrical nature of the universe is indisputable and I have shown clearly that the Holy Bible is written to bring out the finest electrical laws in each and everyone of us...a challenge that if we fail to meet up to its spiritual laws holds a rather nasty event in its near future which will cause a great weeping and gnashing of teeth...its all in the Holy Bible...but, perhaps you are happy to go out whimpering.
There's hardly anything of Jesus in your posts; they are more a mashup of Revelation, pseudoscience babble and conspiracy theory. The actual teachings of Jesus hardly get a look in.
The accurate teaching of Jesus Christ is mentioned in virtually every one of my posts torri. I don't spell them out to you...that is your job...its a way of correcting your thinking and your attitude which delivers the correct spiritual frequency which enables us all, individually, to receive a righteous spiritual energy defined in the Holy Bible as God's fountain of living water. Like it or lump it...it is what will save us from God's wrath which is encoded in Revelation 21:8...The fact that it all unifies together with factual scientific data is secondary because we should want to live in an honest, fair, harmonious world full of healthy science instead of greedy science and for those who can reconcile themselves to that fact they have a wonderful promise from Jesus Christ himself...The meek will inherit the Earth.
The accurate teaching of Jesus Christ is mentioned in virtually every one of my posts torri. I don't spell them out to you...
I recall another contribution on the subject of the meek: from Reg who notes 'Yeah. Well, what Jesus blatantly fails to appreciate is that it's the meek who are the problem.'
http://montypython.50webs.com/scripts/Life_of_Brian/3.htm
No, instead you spout your incoherent gibberish in an attempt to persuade people that you have some special insight that has some sort of scientific basis. In other words, you try to co-opt Jesus in order to boast about your own (non-existent) scientific insight.
It's not about the Jesus in the bible, it's all about you.
..but you had better act fastThat's a fairly accurate statement.
It doesn't matter how we view it Gordon, it is a clear Biblical indicator that those who follow righteousness will have an advantage over the scoffers and the sneerers. You see...Jesus didn't die to show us weakness...he died to show us a great strength...that those who suffer because of the greedy, the spiteful, and the selfish, who want everything for themselves and who will finish up with nothing at all, will be able to harness the responsibility that righteousness spawns more easily and thereby be entitled to receive everlasting life...a property well within Jesus Christ's remit because it is the product of an indestructible dynamic energy, owned by Almighty God, and which sponsored the entire scientific universe.
I don't wish Revelation 21:8 on anyone but the capacity of listening to righteous truth, as declared by the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ, seems to be beyond some of us.
The accurate teaching of Jesus Christ is mentioned in virtually every one of my posts torri. I don't spell them out to you...that is your job...its a way of correcting your thinking and your attitude which delivers the correct spiritual frequency which enables us all, individually, to receive a righteous spiritual energy defined in the Holy Bible as God's fountain of living water. Like it or lump it...it is what will save us from God's wrath which is encoded in Revelation 21:8...The fact that it all unifies together with factual scientific data is secondary because we should want to live in an honest, fair, harmonious world full of healthy science instead of greedy science and for those who can reconcile themselves to that fact they have a wonderful promise from Jesus Christ himself...The meek will inherit the Earth.
Your cover is blown Stranger...you refuse to accept anything to do with our merciful God and his much loved son Jesus Christ...your choice...but that won't stop science from yielding its fruits and restoring this planet into a huge Garden of Eden....but you had better act fast if you think that might suit you better than the alternative.
NM I want to see you on a god tv show. Maybe this stuff might go over better seeing your earnest delivery!!!!! But then.......
Anchorman...
Sin Anchorman, is the abuse of our inner spirit. Wastage of our spiritual strength. Jesus taught us how to ubuild that spiritual strength so that those who follow him will never die. Their flesh may die but their spirit will be resurrected. Sin and genetic health are closely linked because, like evolution, it is controlled in the first instance by our nervous expressions, so, encouraging anyone to follow Jesus accurately is encouraging them to take better care of their own genetic health. Jesus died for our sins giving us a starting point back to salvation and full genetic repair...We ignore his accurate word at our own peril...and the science of righteousness agrees
Sin and genetic health are closely linked because, like evolution, it is controlled in the first instance by our nervous expressions...
...so, encouraging anyone to follow Jesus accurately...
Oh, look, pseudoscientific guff mixed in with pseudotheological guff.
I won't waste my time telling you just how wrong, in every sense, your post is.
Instead, here's a link to the question "What is sin".
And no righteous dynamic rice pusdding or electrical blancmange are involved.
https://www.gotquestions.org/definition-sin.html
The only true link to what sin is is contained within the Holy Bible, Anchorman. Intellectuals often have no idea about spiritual matters. Constantine did though...he knew that if he didn't put in place a coherent diversion he and his cohorts would lose their stranglehold over this new order of kindness and caring, of health and righteous good order. It is the same with the antiChrist today but it is best to just try and understand what Jesus taught us if we want his promises to manifest themselves in our lives and the science of righteousness concurs.
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Constantine?
What the blood and stomach pills has Constantine got to do with anything (apart from convening the council which drafted the books of the Bible, but, hey, that's fact, do don't let it bother your little head).
I simply posted a link to what Christians - that's those who ACCURATELY follow Christ, by the way, nod spout pseudoscientific wibble - believe 'sin' is - according to normal Christian interpretation of Scripture.
That you choose to ignore standard Christian doctrine says much about you, and why most Christians dismiss you with the same abandon as most atheists.
Nick:
Nick if you were to watch some of whatever your favourite sport happens to be with a group of friends, would you have a good chat about whatever sport it happened to be after it's finished or do you do a full length sermon about whatever the sport was?
You know a sermon as opposed to a good chat or visa versa?
There you are Nick I've updated and tailored the question specially to suit you.
Regards ippy
Hi ippy...what I am most likely to do is enjoy the company of my friends realising that they don't have the same interests as me but guide any malicious talk away from maliciousness...guide any swearing away from the need to swear and try to show that I have a brighter, more responsive pattern to my existence. It's not surprising then that when someone wants a shoulder to cry on it is yours because they know you won't laugh at them or increase their burden. Consequently they might realise that not shouting and screaming at football or cricket matches, pop concerts or political rallies, is why you have a bit more common sense than they have and It's all in the power of Jesus Christ's teaching. I only occasionally mention my source of inspiration...I save that for you guys...who need it more.
This post of yours Nick may be all very interesting to somebody somewhere, but it has no connection to the question I asked of you?
I asked you the following:
Nick if you were to watch some of whatever your favourite sport happens to be with a group of friends, would you have a good chat about whatever sport it happened to be after it's finished or do you do a full length sermon about whatever the sport was?
You know a sermon as opposed to a good chat or visa versa?
There you are Nick I've updated and tailored the question specially to suit you.
Any chance to an answer to this specific question Nick, I've seen the weather report for Northern Venezuela, which has about as much relevance to the question I asked you as the reply you gave me.
Kind regards ippy
No ippy...what you are trying to do is spin up an emotional black-hole at my expense. Ask the Samaritans...they have to deal with the consequences of these things all the time. How wonderful to know that there is no need to become emotionally transformed into a nervous wreck because Jesus Christ is in your corner and advising you...especially in the very serious issues facing us all today.
No ippy...what you are trying to do is spin up an emotional black-hole at my expense. Ask the Samaritans...they have to deal with the consequences of these things all the time. How wonderful to know that there is no need to become emotionally transformed into a nervous wreck because Jesus Christ is in your corner and advising you...especially in the very serious issues facing us all today.
I realise it is crazy to bother to ask you this question, but here goes anyway.
When I was a Christian as a young child, I had a serious problem, which I could never in a million years have discussed with my parents. I would have had my hide so well tanned I would never have sat down again. :o So I asked Jesus to help me out. I never had any sense he was out there in the ether somewhere, let alone any advice!
Your, I was going to say answer, your response Nick again has no relevance to the question I asked you, what is it Nick It was a perfectly innocuous question?
'Nick if you were to watch some of whatever your favourite sport happens to be with a group of friends, would you have a good chat about whatever sport it happened to be after it's finished or do you do a full length sermon about whatever the sport was'?
You know a sermon as opposed to a good chat or visa versa?
There you are Nick I've updated and tailored the question specially to suit you.
Give it a go Nick there's no trick involved.
Kind regards ippy.
Praying to Jesus has one, specific reward that is far more important than any other...which proves that Jesus answers every prayer...and that is that by proper prayerful request we hit the universal frequency that delivers God's righteous energy for our emotional support. This is the most urgent need that anyone has. Compare it with Jesus Christ going to his crucifixion and the only support he got was his knowledge that he would be resurrected because he had righteously done everything correct according to God's law...and there is no doubt in my mind that this undeserved energy supported you at that time. If we make mistakes we must live with them but we can be guided past them, pay the penalty and begin God's and Jesus' repair programme without any help from me.
What a totally meaningless sentence! But then that is all one expects from you. ::)
It is such a meaningless answer that huge congregations of many different Christians have been spawned from it, Littleroses. A wonderful organisation called the Samaritans use its finer points to ease people's troubled minds when they are trapped in this emotional black-hole syndrome that you describe. The entire Catholic church harnessed the technical side of this reasoning through their confessional and lo and behold...Sigmund Freud decided to harness its finer points for the purpose of unravelling the mind...but it is all meaningless to you Littleroses which is perhaps why it had no effect.
It is such a meaningless answer that huge congregations of many different Christians have been spawned from it, Littleroses. A wonderful organisation called the Samaritans use its finer points to ease people's troubled minds when they are trapped in this emotional black-hole syndrome that you describe. The entire Catholic church harnessed the technical side of this reasoning through their confessional and lo and behold...Sigmund Freud decided to harness its finer points for the purpose of unravelling the mind...but it is all meaningless to you Littleroses which is perhaps why it had no effect.
Nick:
Nick if you were to watch some of whatever your favourite sport happens to be with a group of friends, would you have a good chat about whatever sport it happened to be after it's finished or do you do a full length sermon about whatever the sport was?
You know a sermon as opposed to a good chat or visa versa?
There you are Nick I've updated and tailored the question specially to suit you.
Regards ippy
All totally untrue - none of those organisations use drivel like "...by proper prayerful request we hit the universal frequency that delivers God's righteous energy for our emotional support" simply because (as Littleroses said) it's totally meaningless.
Your refusal to accept my answer isn't my fault ippy. As I pointed out there is an analogy with the Samaritans who have to deal with people who are so wound up often because others are getting a thrill out of the exercise. You want to help in these matters ippy, then stop trying to wind people up.
Why wont you answer a perfectly reasonable Question Nick what the Samaritans have to do with the question I asked of you I've no idea, so as follows:
'Nick if you were to watch some of whatever your favourite sport happens to be with a group of friends, would you have a good chat about whatever sport it happened to be after it's finished or do you do a full length sermon about whatever the sport was'?
You know a sermon as opposed to a good chat or visa versa?
There you are Nick I've updated and tailored the question specially to suit you.
It's not a trick question Nick.
Kind regards ippy
Your not reading what I'm saying ippy.. which means I don't have to take you too seriously either...but I do. The analogy with the Samaritans shows us that people reach a point of despair which righteousness is the greatest help with and that your continual circular argument is part of the need for us to think about what we are saying. Your refusal to see that Jesus taught us the bare bones of a wonderful God and how to avoid emotional black-holes of the sort you are trying to dig makes it valid for me to make my analogy. You have been answered and I'm afraid I have nothing to add...unless perhaps you want to know how my latest project is performing...and, it seems, from the results, so far, I'm spot on the money.
Nick, you've just written this lot to me as follows:
Your not reading what I'm saying ippy.. which means I don't have to take you too seriously either...but I do. The analogy with the Samaritans shows us that people reach a point of despair which righteousness is the greatest help with and that your continual circular argument is part of the need for us to think about what we are saying. Your refusal to see that Jesus taught us the bare bones of a wonderful God and how to avoid emotional black-holes of the sort you are trying to dig makes it valid for me to make my analogy. You have been answered and I'm afraid I have nothing to add...unless perhaps you want to know how my latest project is performing...and, it seems, from the results, so far, I'm spot on the money.
Now this started with me asking you a question, it wasn't a response to anything you may or may have not written to me in the past.
All I would like to know from you is as follows:
'Nick if you were to watch some of whatever your favourite sport happens to be with a group of friends, would you have a good chat about whatever sport it happened to be after it's finished or do you do a full length sermon about whatever the sport was'?
You know a sermon as opposed to a good chat or visa versa?
There you are Nick I've updated and tailored the question specially to suit you.
It's not a trick question Nick.
Is there any chance you could at least answer the actual question I'm asking of you First?
And then assuming you've answered the question I've asked you please feel free to enter any form of diatribe about whatever makes you happy.
Now pay attention answer the question I've asked you first before adding your usual diatribe that has no connection with anything I've ever asked you.
Like I keep telling you Nick, it's not a trick question, I'd like to hear about some of the more joyful moments I would like to think you have, and could perhaps share with us at least something about the usual fun banter between you and your good friends, I really enjoy good penetrating insult from a really good friend, this kind of thing is good for you it can stop you taking yourself to seriously.
Kind regards ippy.
NM doesn't appear to have an existence based on reality, but on a fantasy of his own creation. :oys'm sure he thinks I'm trying to catch him out in some way, I'm not.
ys'm sure he thinks I'm trying to catch him out in some way, I'm not.
I'd like to think for his sake he does some normal things, by the way Floo I hope you've read your bible today and done all of the required hail Marys?
Regards ippy
ippy/Littleroses...
ippy...
I'd like to tell you a little story ippy. It is based upon my work experiences where, though these took me all over the factory, centred on one particular area where one guy was highly excitable and easily wound-up. The rest of the guys obviously knew this and derived great pleasure from doing just that. Consequently, this guy, who had a very honest and hard working attitude would constantly be in turmoil. No one cared about the health implications...the safety implications...or even his home life implications. I did, because, even then, I was following Biblical insight and knew it was wrong...but how do you tackle such a problem when many in that factory department...a small factory within a factory...were tuned-in to the same practical joke. It's simple really...first of all you tell the guy he is being wound-up...tell him the truth...and calm the emotional despair he is feeling...Though Jesus Christ is at the root of that thinking...his name was never particularly mentioned. The consequences of telling such an excitable person that they are being wound-up is that he went to the wind-up merchants and tore a strip off them...but it is a small part of a much bigger picture...but, you see...I know when someone is trying to wind me up.
Littleroses...
If we itemise the different attributes that praying to Jesus delivers we can use man-made organizations to help explain them Littleroses...and I drew together three organizations that utilize the prayerful mechanism that Jesus introduced in his teaching...being...the RC church...The Samaritans...and the science brought into existence by Freud.
It seems that if we follow our own desires many people get lost emotionally...you see a lady following the emotions derived from a film might easily find themselves pregnant...or involved in drugs etc. Similarly...people, in the past became reliant upon priests to air their burdens and finally Freud detected that a person can be emotionally governed by something long forgotten but is ever-present in the emotions of that person's today's world. So...praying to God, via Jesus Christ's accurate teaching is a bona fide way of sorting out our emotional problems..even deep-seated problems and as we lighten our emotional load our health is restored...and for those who have given it an honest try rather than a selfish, demanding trial, find that their energy levels increase to cope with those problems better and avoid them in the future, but, I'm afraid that condemning Jesus Christ won't help at all.
ippy/Littleroses...[/b][/i][/u]
ippy...
I'd like to tell you a little story ippy. It is based upon my work experiences where, though these took me all over the factory, centred on one particular area where one guy was highly excitable and easily wound-up. The rest of the guys obviously knew this and derived great pleasure from doing just that. Consequently, this guy, who had a very honest and hard working attitude would constantly be in turmoil. No one cared about the health implications...the safety implications...or even his home life implications. I did, because, even then, I was following Biblical insight and knew it was wrong...but how do you tackle such a problem when many in that factory department...a small factory within a factory...were tuned-in to the same practical joke. It's simple really...first of all you tell the guy he is being wound-up...tell him the truth...and calm the emotional despair he is feeling...Though Jesus Christ is at the root of that thinking...his name was never particularly mentioned. The consequences of telling such an excitable person that they are being wound-up is that he went to the wind-up merchants and tore a strip off them...but it is a small part of a much bigger picture...but, you see...I know when someone is trying to wind me up.
Littleroses...
If we itemise the different attributes that praying to Jesus delivers we can use man-made organizations to help explain them Littleroses...and I drew together three organizations that utilize the prayerful mechanism that Jesus introduced in his teaching...being...the RC church...The Samaritans...and the science brought into existence by Freud.
It seems that if we follow our own desires many people get lost emotionally...you see a lady following the emotions derived from a film might easily find themselves pregnant...or involved in drugs etc. Similarly...people, in the past became reliant upon priests to air their burdens and finally Freud detected that a person can be emotionally governed by something long forgotten but is ever-present in the emotions of that person's today's world. So...praying to God, via Jesus Christ's accurate teaching is a bona fide way of sorting out our emotional problems..even deep-seated problems and as we lighten our emotional load our health is restored...and for those who have given it an honest try rather than a selfish, demanding trial, find that their energy levels increase to cope with those problems better and avoid them in the future, but, I'm afraid that condemning Jesus Christ won't help at all.
ippy/Littleroses...
I think that the important thing we are establishing here is that we can all be wound-up and some people have made an art out of it. The advertisers rub their hands with glee if they get many people following their twisted messages...propaganda is designed to reinforce lies...businesses are run on that principle and of course political motivationalists use it to the max...but is it harmful?? The electric/spiritual laws of Jesus Christ say it is.
You see, even little children can be duped, and they seem to be the main target of many wind-up merchants today...the extreme being the emotional black-hole which breeds only distress and despair. So...whether you like my reasoning or not...it is induced by Biblical reasoning which states clearly that it is our nervous/electric/spiritual nature which should concern us most and one of its many attributes is resurrection, into a new vessel, for you and I...if we get it right...with everlasting life being our target...and a world full of health, happiness, good order and a wonderful leader...Jesus Christ.
If anyone is duped it is you. How on earth you manage to interpret the Bible in the way you do, goodness only knows. If you aren't a WUM and really do believe your fantasy world to be reality, you need help BIG TIME.
Can I apologise on behalf of those of us who a re Christian?
You might not share our faith, floo - but you are entitled to a reasonable, weaffle free answer that actually means something in a theological context.
Pity you didn't get it.
ippy/Littleroses.....just like the propaganda spouted on the internet and Youtube regarding so-called "wormwood" planets in the solar system or so-called "chemtrails" in the sky. All made-up lies, false news with not a shred of credible evidence.
I think that the important thing we are establishing here is that we can all be wound-up and some people have made an art out of it. The advertisers rub their hands with glee if they get many people following their twisted messages...propaganda is designed to reinforce lies...
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but is it harmful?? The electric/spiritual laws of Jesus Christ say it is.
ippy/Littleroses...
I think that the important thing we are establishing here is that we can all be wound-up and some people have made an art out of it. The advertisers rub their hands with glee if they get many people following their twisted messages...propaganda is designed to reinforce lies...businesses are run on that principle and of course political motivationalists use it to the max...but is it harmful?? The electric/spiritual laws of Jesus Christ say it is.
You see, even little children can be duped, and they seem to be the main target of many wind-up merchants today...the extreme being the emotional black-hole which breeds only distress and despair. So...whether you like my reasoning or not...it is induced by Biblical reasoning which states clearly that it is our nervous/electric/spiritual nature which should concern us most and one of its many attributes is resurrection, into a new vessel, for you and I...if we get it right...with everlasting life being our target...and a world full of health, happiness, good order and a wonderful leader...Jesus Christ.
So...whether you like my reasoning or not...it is induced by Biblical reasoning...
What you post is neither reasoning nor biblical.
Littleroses/ippy/Stranger/Anchorman/Seb...
What I have actually done is brought alive the full meaning and implications behind God's teaching in Isaiah...Look into the heavens, who put them all there, with the superabundance of his mighty power/dynamic energy. Not when is missing but everyone is named, numbered and catalogued. This wonderful energy isn't just owned by God...it is God, by virtue of some very special righteous laws...which Jesus made flesh, and every aspect of his teaching reveals this for our health and welfare. We ignore Jesus at our peril.
What I have actually done is brought alive the full meaning and implications...
Littleroses/ippy/Stranger/Anchorman/Seb...
What I have actually done is brought alive the full meaning and implications behind God's teaching in Isaiah...Look into the heavens, who put them all there, with the superabundance of his mighty power/dynamic energy. Not when is missing but everyone is named, numbered and catalogued. This wonderful energy isn't just owned by God...it is God, by virtue of some very special righteous laws...which Jesus made flesh, and every aspect of his teaching reveals this for our health and welfare. We ignore Jesus at our peril.
Sorry, no.
What you have done is taken a perfectly good piece of Scripture, mixed it up with your own interpretation, flung bits of pseudoscientific waffle at it untill it begged for mercy, then buried it unceremoniously under a complete lack of peer reviewed evidence.
Hope that helps.
What we have also established is that I'm not going into any emotional black-hole soon, Anchorman. Clearly, Jesus Christ knew how to avoid them as well because he taught us all how to avoid them. The extreme of an emotional black-hole requires help from the Samaritans, or Jesus Christ, directly.
So...why then do so many antiChrist want to wind us all up and sling everyone they can get their hands on into a huge and frightening emotional black-hole...so that we are all weak, lost, and inconsequential? It is because their domain relies exclusively on creating such distress which has our NHS buckling and caving in at the knees.
Learn about Jesus Christ Anchorman. As he taught it, lived it, and was crucified by it, just to show us that the righteous answer to Almighty God...not Satan.
What we have also established is that I'm not going into any emotional black-hole soon, Anchorman. Clearly, Jesus Christ knew how to avoid them as well because he taught us all how to avoid them. The extreme of an emotional black-hole requires help from the Samaritans, or Jesus Christ, directly. So...why then do so many antiChrist want to wind us all up and sling everyone they can get their hands on into a huge and frightening emotional black-hole...so that we are all weak, lost, and inconsequential? It is because their domain relies exclusively on creating such distress which has our NHS buckling and caving in at the knees. Learn about Jesus Christ Anchorman. As he taught it, lived it, and was crucified by it, just to show us that the righteous answer to Almighty God...not Satan.First; I will learn about the Lord Jesus, NM. I'll keep on finding out new things about this man who is God, whom I invited into my life forty years ago, and with whom I try to walk daily. I pray I will never cease to learn more of him. However, you have established nothing, demonstrated nothing, and exhibited nothing over the posts in this trhread - save a complete unwillingness to read Scripture accurately, realise you know little of science - or, for that matter, extra-Biblical history, and do no-one the courtesy of providing a shred of peer reviewed evidence which stands up to scrutiny in either a scientific or theological form. Sorry, NM, your lack of science demonstrates, not your faith, but your unwillingness to stretch it.
First; I will learn about the Lord Jesus, NM. I'll keep on finding out new things about this man who is God, whom I invited into my life forty years ago, and with whom I try to walk daily. I pray I will never cease to learn more of him. However, you have established nothing, demonstrated nothing, and exhibited nothing over the posts in this trhread - save a complete unwillingness to read Scripture accurately, realise you know little of science - or, for that matter, extra-Biblical history, and do no-one the courtesy of providing a shred of peer reviewed evidence which stands up to scrutiny in either a scientific or theological form. Sorry, NM, your lack of science demonstrates, not your faith, but your unwillingness to stretch it.
Learn about Jesus Christ Anchorman. As he taught it, lived it, and was crucified by it, just to show us that the righteous answer to Almighty God...not Satan.
I am quite convinced that you know almost as little about the Jesus of the bible as you do about science. You are being transparently dishonest by pretending knowledge of science and hence are bearing false witness - trying to deceive people.
I have come to expect this from you Stranger. I wonder why you need to condemn what has vast scientific reasoning and Biblical insight and most importantly a great hope for those who respect Jesus Christ's accurate teaching...Do you have an unhealthy ulterior motive...I can ask this because you keep saying it to me.
I have come to expect this from you Stranger. I wonder why you need to condemn what has vast scientific reasoning and Biblical insight and most importantly a great hope for those who respect Jesus Christ's accurate teaching...Do you have an unhealthy ulterior motive...I can ask this because you keep saying it to me.
I have come to expect this from you Stranger. I wonder why you need to condemn what has vast scientific reasoning and Biblical insight...
A number of scientists have been crucified Anchorman whilst delivering very valid sciences so you can say that I'm in very good company. A wonderful science extracted from the Holy Bible and endorsed by Jesus Christ. That means that it isn't my science at all...it is their science and it is the reason why we should all be observing Jesus Christ's teaching by faith because Almighty God doesn't expect us to understand the science but you can be sure as hell that Satan and all his henchmen understand how to drive the population into emotional black-holes else why is the world today heaving at the seams with a resounding call of distress...or perhaps you don't see it.As usual, NM, you are in error. God DOES, in fact, expect us to 'understand the science'. That's why He gave us brains. Did you think they were a divine experiment in creating a carnivore's idea of blancmange? And Christians in science have been perfectly willing to use their - our - God-given brains to extract what we can of His created universe. Yes, I know atheists don't respect this - and I respect their view whilst respectfully disputing it. However those Christians who are qualified in science use those brains of theirs to sift out the published, peer-treviewed evidence of their disciplines. They do NOT soil the scriptures with meaninglrs pseudoscientific garbage without one jot or tittle of published evidence to back it up. Apologeticvs, NM, is a discipline in itself - one in which I suggest, with respect, you immerse yourself before posting rubbish.
I need to condemn it because your claims are untrue. Neither here nor on your site is there even a glimmer of a hint of a smidgen of any scientific reasoning - you are peddling nonsense as science. You are trying to deceive people. Perhaps you've managed to deceive yourself that your utter gibberish actually means something in terms of science and so aren't doing so deliberately. However, that would indicate a staggering ignorance of even school level science.
If you want to claim some great scientific insight, you'd do better to learn some basic science first. Science isn't reading some pop-science and then randomly scattering some of the words into nonsense stories - which is what you appear to have done.
I can't think of a better way of declaring a science other than making it public and letting everyone decide on its accuracy...
I'm sorry if it offends anyone, Stranger, but the most favoured ones in my eyes, Jesus Christ's eyes, and Almighty God's eyes, are those who are duped into the emotional black-hole which is the same place we are all heading unless we take Jesus Christ seriously.
Exactly how many people, aside form yourself, think it's accurate? How many of those (if there are any) have so much as a GCSE in science?
Except you don't take the Jesus of the bible seriously, you are blatantly misrepresenting him with your silly pretend science.
This clearly has nothing at all to do with the bible or Jesus it's all about your own self-importance - you're clearly trying to dupe people into believing you have some great understanding, that you obviously don't.
I can't think of a better way of declaring a science other than making it public and letting everyone decide on its accuracy and because of how it aligns itself so wonderfully with the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ, endorsing it via the mechanics he offers us all.
So...let's explore what you find so offensive Stranger...that I say that there is an invisible, superabundant, indestructible, dynamic energy behind the existence of the universe. That it is owned by Almighty God...in fact it is God and from it, all science, all stars and all life came into being. Now that is what the Holy Bible tells us as well and Jesus taught us how to harness it righteously...now where do I discredit Jesus or his father and where do I not offer great hope by revealing a science that Satan's henchmen would rather we didn't have?.
So...let's explore what you find so offensive Stranger...that I say that there is an invisible, superabundant, indestructible, dynamic energy behind the existence of the universe. That it is owned by Almighty God...in fact it is God and from it, all science, all stars and all life came into being. Now that is what the Holy Bible tells us as well and Jesus taught us how to harness it righteously...now where do I discredit Jesus or his father and where do I not offer great hope by revealing a science that Satan's henchmen would rather we didn't have?.Well it is entirely possible or even likely that you are one of Satan's henchmen.
So...let's explore what you find so offensive Stranger...
...that I say that there is an invisible, superabundant, indestructible, dynamic energy behind the existence of the universe.
Now that is what the Holy Bible tells us as well...
...where do I discredit Jesus or his father...
...where do I not offer great hope by revealing a science...
...that Satan's henchmen would rather we didn't have?.
So...let's explore what you find so offensive Stranger...that I say that there is an invisible, superabundant, indestructible, dynamic energy behind the existence of the universe. That it is owned by Almighty God...in fact it is God and from it, all science, all stars and all life came into being. Now that is what the Holy Bible tells us as well and Jesus taught us how to harness it righteously...now where do I discredit Jesus or his father and where do I not offer great hope by revealing a science that Satan's henchmen would rather we didn't have?.
Your dishonesty.
Scientifically meaningless.
It tells us nothing of the sort - you're just making it up.
By constantly associating them with your childish pseudo-science gobbledygook.
Your gibberish is not a science and does not offer any hope.
Since you are trying to distort both the bible and science in order to pretend that you have an insight you don't, it rather looks like you would be satan's henchman, if such a thing existed.
Your style reminds me of someone else Stranger. No hard feelings but he refused to grasp difficult scientific points like the one that if Jesus attracted millions of supporters then his science is repeatable if we use his data points and I have proven to myself, at least, that it still works in the dimension of resurrection, repair and everlasting life because attaching ourselves to his righteous science and God's indestructible energy does just that...regardless of who says otherwise.
Your style reminds me of someone else Stranger. No hard feelings but he refused to grasp difficult scientific points...
...like the one that if Jesus attracted millions of supporters then his science is repeatable if we use his data points and I have proven to myself, at least, that it still works in the dimension of resurrection, repair and everlasting life because attaching ourselves to his righteous science and God's indestructible energy does just that...regardless of who says otherwise.
I have proven to myself, at least, that it still works in the dimension of resurrection, repair and everlasting life because attaching ourselves to his righteous science and God's indestructible energy does just that...regardless of who says otherwise.
Nicholas, you can't even grasp simple school science.
I'm guessing that this might have meant something to you, in the privacy of your own mind, but it means bugger all after you've written it out...
I'll explain it quite simply for you Stranger...you see...it is a point of a science if it can be repeated...and Jesus Christ's emotional science has been put to the test a few million times and proven to transform hard hearted people into nice, caring people. The same, or rather , similar emotional sciences have been used by others but for more nefarious reasons and they seem to work as well, but in a harmful way, which means that you can debunk it all to your hearts content but you won't budge the science...especially the righteous science that offers repair, resurrection and everlasting life....there you will only invalidate your own claim to it but if you prefer a sulphurous eternity to a heaven on Earth scenario...please carry on without a care for those Jesus wants to help.That looks like the kind of response that would come from one of Satan's henchmen.
That looks like the kind of response that would come from one of Satan's henchmen.
It's the only explanation that makes sense.
Of course you will deny it or ignore my post but either path is exactly what a henchman would do.
That looks like the kind of response that would come from one of Satan's henchmen.
It's the only explanation that makes sense.
Of course you will deny it or ignore my post but either path is exactly what a henchman would do.
.......Satan's henchmen...who are preparing to do and are in fact doing Satan's will even as we speak.You woud know that if you were in cahoots with them, wouldn't you?
Anchorman/Littleroses/Seb/Dicky/Stranger...
Notice how you all dodged the point about Almighty God being the living voice behind all that energy that powers the universe, and, as you might expect, powers you and I as well. This means that all our genetic failings are promoted by our spiritual attitudes and this means that unless you take instruction from Jesus you are going to miss the boat. Nothing could be worse. It's science working at a wonderful, judicial level. Those who ignore righteousness, which is a scientific tool to repair us by, will be whisked off spiritually to a fiery lake of sulphur for ever more. This is how Almighty God has decided to ensure our peace and harmony from the forces of Satan's henchmen...and if this gives you a problem...take a second look at what happened to Jesus and ask, who in this world today resembles such a grotesque figure prepared to inflict such a deathblow on an innocent person. He is identified by a number...it is the number of a man...it is 666 and in Isaiah 66:6 we are told it is all God's enemies...Satan's henchmen...who are preparing to do and are in fact doing Satan's will even as we speak.
Solution...follow Jesus Christ, accurately, as he alone taught us...do it by reading about him and allowing his righteous attitude to become our righteous attitude and, thereby, follow a science which your reluctance has, till now, denied you.
Notice how you all dodged the point about Almighty God being the living voice behind all that energy that powers the universe, and, as you might expect, powers you and I as well. This means that all our genetic failings are promoted by our spiritual attitudes and this means that unless you take instruction from Jesus you are going to miss the boat. Nothing could be worse. It's science working at a wonderful, judicial level. Those who ignore righteousness, which is a scientific tool to repair us by, will be whisked off spiritually to a fiery lake of sulphur for ever more.
Ecky thump!
NM; are you paid by the word?
@cos it isn't worth the effort.
So; how many have come to faith through your ....er....musings?
How many scientists have suddenly realised that the stuff they learned in primary school, secondary school, university and lecture is in fact, totally wrong and that only you know what science is?
How many theologians, Christian scholars, debaters, apologists and leaders have suddenly thrown all they have learned through prayer, study, education and scholarship into the bin, and found you to be the true - accurate - voice of Christianity in science?
How mwny, NM?
Didn't you think that one day we would all be brought to heel and have to obey that wonderful righteous science that Jesus Christ delivered at the behest of his father, Anchorman...or do you think it's all been one big joke...carry on as we want and Alḿghty God will just take it on the chin while Satan has his wicked way?...exactly the type of thing that one of aforementioned henchmen would say.
Well, no, it won't work quite like that. That's the pagan version. How it will in fact work out is that Satan and Wormwood will bring this planet to its knees and those who have followed Jesus accurately will be saved because Almighty God has left things until all these global facets all come together and then, with one fell swoop or fowl swoop, will wipe all the tears from the eyes of all those who have repented adequately, with earnest, having been the victims of Satan's callousness, whilst he, and all is henchmen are evicted from this planet, as per Revelation 21:8 and as God's Final Judgement approaches, there will be much weeping and gnashing of teeth because we will all know what our fate will be. God or Jesus can be no fairer..repent and take in righteous instruction according to the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...else don't...it's as simple as that, for each and every one of us.
...exactly the type of thing that one of aforementioned henchmen would say.
And what you are saying Seb is exactly what someone might say who has no depth of feeling for the pain and suffering that mankind has been forced to endure since time immemorial...But God isn't slow in delivering his Judgement...he is patient so that as many who can be saved, are saved.Ah, deflection.
We should all bear in mind the consequences of not being saved.
And what you are saying Seb is exactly what someone might say who has no depth of feeling for the pain and suffering that mankind has been forced to endure since time immemorial...But God isn't slow in delivering his Judgement...he is patient so that as many who can be saved, are saved.
We should all bear in mind the consequences of not being saved.
torri/Littleroses/Seb...
I would have said that the constant unpleasant remarks made against Jesus and Almighty God were spam. A number of well meaning Christians, struggling with their faith, and who came here to find and discuss Jesus have been hit with a barrage of antiChrist comments, including me, so it is high time for you to realise the truth...that there is a deep and wonderful science behind the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ who has warned us of a period in this planet's life-span which only Jesus Christ can help us through, so the nearer we can get to his accuracy, the better...As he lived it...as he taught it...and as he describes it in the sacred book of history surrounding his life, death and resurrection.
Iniquity will only leave us open to the same fate as the antiChrist.
I would have said that the constant unpleasant remarks made against Jesus and Almighty God were spam. A number of well meaning Christians, struggling with their faith, and who came here to find and discuss Jesus have been hit with a barrage of antiChrist comments, including me, so it is high time for you to realise the truth...that there is a deep and wonderful science behind the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ who has warned us of a period in this planet's life-span which only Jesus Christ can help us through, so the nearer we can get to his accuracy, the better...As he lived it...as he taught it...and as he describes it in the sacred book of history surrounding his life, death and resurrection.
Iniquity will only leave us open to the same fate as the antiChrist.
Here is that water...it is the same fountains of living water that made every star, every atom, every life force, and every science in the universe...It is the same energy that Jesus' entire mission is built around...it is the same energy we waste screaming at pop shows and similar events...it is so built into our health and welfare that our genetics twist and buckle under our persuasion without us even realising...but if you say there is no God or no Jesus Christ you waste the only opportunity to lock into that science and use it as Jesus intended. If we are waiting for modern science to catch up we will have waited too long because another calamity is biting at our heels, after Satan has done his worst...Its all in the Holy Bible.
And you being one of his henchmen, shouldn't you be worried?
Iniquity will only leave us open to the same fate as the antiChrist.
ippy/Stranger/Littleroses...
In the Holy Bible, in a number of places, but in particular, here, John 4:14...we are told about a living water, that, if we are given it by Jesus, we will never thirst again, and this water will deliver everlasting life. Here is that water...it is the same fountains of living water that made every star, every atom, every life force, and every science in the universe...It is the same energy that Jesus' entire mission is built around...it is the same energy we waste screaming at pop shows and similar events...it is so built into our health and welfare that our genetics twist and buckle under our persuasion without us even realising...but if you say there is no God or no Jesus Christ you waste the only opportunity to lock into that science and use it as Jesus intended. If we are waiting for modern science to catch up we will have waited too long because another calamity is biting at our heels, after Satan has done his worst...Its all in the Holy Bible.
Satan and his henchmen like, then life's a gas because all those subservient do all the nasty work...
ippy/Stranger/Littleroses...
In the Holy Bible, in a number of places, but in particular, here, John 4:14...we are told about a living water, that, if we are given it by Jesus, we will never thirst again, and this water will deliver everlasting life. Here is that water...it is the same fountains of living water that made every star, every atom, every life force, and every science in the universe...It is the same energy that Jesus' entire mission is built around...it is the same energy we waste screaming at pop shows and similar events...it is so built into our health and welfare that our genetics twist and buckle under our persuasion without us even realising...but if you say there is no God or no Jesus Christ you waste the only opportunity to lock into that science and use it as Jesus intended. If we are waiting for modern science to catch up we will have waited too long because another calamity is biting at our heels, after Satan has done his worst...Its all in the Holy Bible.
Nick, you've either not read my post or if you have you have you have completely misunderstood it.
I HAVEN'T SAID THEIR IS NO GOD OR JESUS, however, I have said there is no verifiable evidence that supports your idea that they do exist or have existed.
Is that clear enough for you Nick?
Don't forget Nick, how stupid it would make you look if you were to suggest that the words in the bible prove the bible, to be a book based on actual factual information.
Why can't you get this Nick?
Nick do you ever write anything in other than a sermon like manner? If not why?
Regards ippy
...and Jesus Christ, who taught us a science...
But if there was any confusion before there certainly isn't now because it is becoming obvious that a very complex science is behind every word that Jesus spoke.
...his Science of Righteousness contains valuable points appertaining to the Science of Everything....like, how all atoms came to have so much energy stashed inside them in such a clinically accurate way, and why the entire, intelligent universe, praise Almighty God, so highly...
The Holy Bible does precisely that ippy...it proves itself as a solid work of instruction for all those that follow it accurately. The Jews came together as a people and resided in a land that they were led to and remain there today with a near impossible history, prophesied from within the Holy Bible...and Jesus Christ, who taught us a science, which, at the very least, shows us how many people can be brought together to promote righteous teaching, or, how to survive in a world full of greed and spite. But if there was any confusion before there certainly isn't now because it is becoming obvious that a very complex science is behind every word that Jesus spoke. Your mistake is in thinking that no other body of people could be more advanced than earthling man...but the science shows that Almighty God cut his teeth on the Science of Everything, and his Science of Righteousness contains valuable points appertaining to the Science of Everything....like, how all atoms came to have so much energy stashed inside them in such a clinically accurate way, and why the entire, intelligent universe, praise Almighty God, so highly...it is because, like us, God's wonderful science saved them, as well...and they were all represented at Jesus Christ's inauguration, in Heaven, when similar plans were unfolded to save those on planet Earth. Those who deserve saving, anyway. You could be one of those ippy...if you desist from trying to wind people up, repent, and follow Jesus Christ, accurately...as Jesus himself taught us, as he told us to, and as he lived his own life...and if you do you will know for a certainty that from that moment this world will be a better place.
ippy/Stranger/Littleroses...
In the Holy Bible, in a number of places, but in particular, here, John 4:14...we are told about a living water, that, if we are given it by Jesus, we will never thirst again, and this water will deliver everlasting life. Here is that water...it is the same fountains of living water that made every star, every atom, every life force, and every science in the universe...It is the same energy that Jesus' entire mission is built around...it is the same energy we waste screaming at pop shows and similar events...it is so built into our health and welfare that our genetics twist and buckle under our persuasion without us even realising...but if you say there is no God or no Jesus Christ you waste the only opportunity to lock into that science and use it as Jesus intended. If we are waiting for modern science to catch up we will have waited too long because another calamity is biting at our heels, after Satan has done his worst...Its all in the Holy Bible.
Stranger/ippy/Anchorman...
One of the key Biblical and righteous principles is that Almighty God never lies. To follow God's laws so perfectly (that is what living without sin means ) also means Jesus Christ never lied...and all those who follow God's word, made flesh in Jesus Christ must, from the day of their repentence, never lie either...so, to call someone a liar because you, yourselves, don't understand the truth behind what is being said, doesn't make the conveyor of a truth a liar. Remember, liars are condemned into the fiery lake of sulphur.
The truth is that the entire electric laws contained within the universe, which have all been refined under the heading of God's righteous spiritual laws are very active in each and everyone's lives...even the dead...because they also die with a portion of this indestructible energy attached to their last breath. Jesus went down to the pit in the ether and snatched the keys of life and death out of Satan's hand which meant that everyone of us who attach ourselves to Jesus's righteous teaching is attaching themselves to his science and by denying Jesus this wonderful truth we are shooting ourselves in the foot.
All of which you believe Nick and have no way or means of establishing the above as factual.
Remember, liars are condemned into the fiery lake of sulphur.Remind me again about your statement that you cannot see the stars at night in your area of the UK?
One of the key Biblical and righteous principles is that Almighty God never lies. To follow God's laws so perfectly (that is what living without sin means ) also means Jesus Christ never lied...and all those who follow God's word, made flesh in Jesus Christ must, from the day of their repentence, never lie either...so, to call someone a liar because you, yourselves, don't understand the truth behind what is being said, doesn't make the conveyor of a truth a liar. Remember, liars are condemned into the fiery lake of sulphur.
All of which I have proven but that is my concern.
I know enough about real science to know that you know nothing at all about it. I understand the meanings of the science terms you use and can therefore tell that you don't. Hence, when you claim to understand science, I know that you are lying - perhaps to yourself first and foremost but lying nonetheless.As a slight distraction, how do we actually 'lie to ourselves'? I get that you think that someone cannot be telling the truth, but lying to themselves?
No, if you have proof (and I have no doubt that you don't, you can't prove meaningless gibberish, making this another lie) then if you want to convince people, you should be sharing it...
As a slight distraction, how do we actually 'lie to ourselves'? I get that you think that someone cannot be telling the truth, but lying to themselves?
All of which you believe Nick and have no way or means of establishing the above as factual.
Self-deception (http://www.yourdictionary.com/self-deception)The definition wasn't what I was asking. How would we do it, and how would anyone else, particularly on a message board, tell?
Self deception is defined as the act of lying to yourself or of making yourself believe something that isn't really true.
Nearly Sane/ippy/Stranger...
The first thing we should ask ourselves is, is it possible for there to exist a much more advanced civilization in this universe than we, ourselves...and if the answer is yes...are they hostile or friendly...and if there is any evidence that they may be friendly...are they prepared to divulge the science of the universe to us. Well, you can make your own mind up about that. The Holy Bible says there are and explains how we can ditch the cancer of evil from our midst...
Nearly Sane/ippy/Stranger...
The first thing we should ask ourselves is, is it possible for there to exist a much more advanced civilization in this universe than we, ourselves...and if the answer is yes...are they hostile or friendly...and if there is any evidence that they may be friendly...are they prepared to divulge the science of the universe to us. Well, you can make your own mind up about that. The Holy Bible says there are and explains how we can ditch the cancer of evil from our midst...but we had better start quickly else we might be seen as part of that cancer as are all those listed in Revelation 21:8...and making ourselves salvageable seems to be so full of promise...as in eternal life...peace...harmony...good will and freedom from all health failures. Imagine leaping around the rocks like a mountain goat...that is what's on offer when we unravel our spiritual distress. Only a solid science can deliver these things and that is what is on offer...lt's all in the Holy Bible.
Nearly Sane/ippy/Stranger...
The first thing we should ask ourselves is, is it possible for there to exist a much more advanced civilization in this universe than we, ourselves...and if the answer is yes...are they hostile or friendly...and if there is any evidence that they may be friendly...are they prepared to divulge the science of the universe to us. Well, you can make your own mind up about that. The Holy Bible says there are and explains how we can ditch the cancer of evil from our midst...but we had better start quickly else we might be seen as part of that cancer as are all those listed in Revelation 21:8...and making ourselves salvageable seems to be so full of promise...as in eternal life...peace...harmony...good will and freedom from all health failures. Imagine leaping around the rocks like a mountain goat...that is what's on offer when we unravel our spiritual distress. Only a solid science can deliver these things and that is what is on offer...lt's all in the Holy Bible.
BeRational/ippy/Maeght...
The science in the Holy Bible tells us important things like how we can all come together with each other guided by a single language of caring for each other...a language that embraces our health and our neighbours health as well instead of cutting each other to the quick with jibes and unpleasant remarks.We all respond to strong leadership but let us be sure that it is a well meaning leadership rather than a wicked leadership which winds people up and drives them to despair on a frightening scale. If Jesus says that soothing and calming our emotional behaviour is refreshing and upbuilding then why does the world want us to be emotionally high one minute and low the next by manipulating our emotional strength via media, film and politics...God's and Jesus Christ's righteous science resolves all this by giving us time to transform our inner and natural electric strength into an indestructable righteous spirit that has a promise that it will never be destroyed whilst those without such a promise will have to take the fiery lake of sulphur on the chin...in the not too distant future.
. If Jesus says that soothing and calming our emotional behaviour is refreshing and upbuilding then why does the world want us to be emotionally high one minute and low the next by manipulating our emotional strength via media, film and politics...Yes, what does it say about those people who show via media, utterly false, made-up and downright misrepresentations via Youtube, regarding psuedo scientific technobabble-heavy videos purporting to say that there is a planet hurtling towards us.
BeRational/ippy/Maeght...
The science in the Holy Bible tells us important things like how we can all come together with each other guided by a single language of caring for each other...
a language that embraces our health and our neighbours health as well instead of cutting each other to the quick with jibes and unpleasant remarks.We all respond to strong leadership but let us be sure that it is a well meaning leadership rather than a wicked leadership which winds people up and drives them to despair on a frightening scale.
If Jesus says that soothing and calming our emotional behaviour is refreshing and upbuilding then why does the world want us to be emotionally high one minute and low the next by manipulating our emotional strength via media, film and politics...God's and Jesus Christ's righteous science ...
... resolves all this by giving us time to transform our inner and natural electric strength into an indestructable righteous spirit that has a promise that it will never be destroyed whilst those without such a promise will have to take the fiery lake of sulphur on the chin...in the not too distant future.
So, not QM equations then?
No fusion reactor advice?
Anything about whether string theory is a good model or not?
Or will only find it in the bible, once we have found it ourselves?
That's not science.
Nor is that.
Jesus's message has nothing to do with science.
No science there either.
Our sun is moving at high-speed through the universe along with all members of the Milky Way so to say that all this motion is sterile to the science it determines is, well, a little unscientific...but to say it causes black-holes between the high-speed universe and the static universe and in so doing creates all the power that packages atoms within our sun as if on a high speed production line, much nearer the truth.
Because you can't stretch your mind around the science that is at work doesn't make it less a science.
Science is about understanding truth and I'm afraid Maeght when people gather together there is a science which determines it. Because you can't stretch your mind around the science that is at work doesn't make it less a science. Advertisers make sure they target a particular body of people so that they will come and buy the goods on offer...and there is a science that advertisers work to...like you don't mention the nastier things about the product they want to sell. When certain people want a war they start by winding up the people they need for support and issue propaganda for the purpose...a science is being manipulated...notice how peoples emotional energy is being manipulated often by lies. So...a science is at work here just as when Jesus says follow me and you will never die he is referring to a science and that science says, harness our emotional energy in the way Jesus did and we will harness an indestructible spirit...proven by Jesus Christ's resurrection. Science at its most advanced level.
When certain people want a war they start by winding up the people they need for support and issue propaganda for the purpose...a science is being manipulated...notice how peoples emotional energy is being manipulated often by lies.Just like in the war against truth where people put out propaganda on youtube about non existent planets in our solar system to promote fear.
Just like in the war against truth where people put out propaganda on youtube about non existent planets in our solar system to promote fear.
And their supporters point innocent people to those videos.
When I say supporters I include Satan's henchmen amongst them.
Isn't that correct Nick?
Been here with you before Seb...your style hasn't changed a bit...offer nothing but keep going round and round in circles...Says the man who posts the same thing hundreds of times and offers less than nothing!
I seldom see an aeroplane in the sky now but I here quite a number...still you have to be a little scientific to realise the implications of what is going on...so don't get too concerned...it appears your fate is sealed.
When there is no cloud cover I see tons of high altitude jets, Nick - they fly high over Glasgow en route to Iceland, Canada and the USA: sometimes there are several high-altitude jets visible at the same time, where Flightradar24 is handy to see where they are headed.
Specsavers for you I think!
Stranger/Maeght...
I suspect that because you have been so outspoken in your condemnation of our Saviour...
... that you are reluctant to accept anything that comes close to proving his existence...but here it is...he is talking about an invisible energy that can be harnessed for our salvation.
It is so versatile that it built stars and atoms, galaxies and life, black-holes and cancer...but rather than prove the science in your own life you would rather go down fighting along with all those who reject righteousness...and it is a scientific fact that only those who respect Jesus Christ and all he stands for will be considered salvageable because the awkward and troublesome will have no righteous resistance to what is coming upon the Earth...It's all in the holy Bible.
...offer nothing but keep going round and round in circles...its an old trick and by the way...
I suspect that because you have been so outspoken in your condemnation of our Saviour that you are reluctant to accept anything that comes close to proving his existence...
It's all in the holy Bible.
Where?
That's not proof, its your belief.
There you go again, chucking in the word science where it doesn't belong.
There is only one logic that explains the entire science behind the entire universe Maeght...and it's key points are all in the Holy Bible...including Jesus Christ's righteous input...and from it all we can deduce that resurrection is part of a deep and meaningful science...That is, if we harness this invisible energy in the way Jesus taught us whilst giving proper respect to those who saw fit to tell us about it...our Diety, Jesus Christ and Almighty God.
Certain people, many whom are children, have given solid, scientific accounts of their own resurrection, but it is far better to go to the lead scientist in charge, Jesus Christ, rather than leave it all to chance.
Isn't it about time you stopped, then?
I've been condemning your obvious dishonesty, nothing else.
The drivel you spout is not in the bible - you're just making shit up again...
Only in your over active imagination. Believe it if you like but don't expect anyone else to share your odd beliefs.
Where are these solid accounts (ignored the word science as I know you use it where it isn't suitable)?
I'm glad to hear that Gordon...but I don't here and I too am close to an airport. I see helicopters and light planes but not the high altitude stuff though the ones that spew out this heavy debris can often be heard above the haze.
There you go again Stranger, your condemnation is more important to you than the facts. I still can't see how you can ignore the greatest point of science that I alone have put forward...taken from the Holy Bible but totally missed by modern science...that we are all on a high-speed platform that has a static foundation beneath it...and from this starting point all science can be decoded...
I could tell you to look on YouTube Maeght but knowing your response I will tell you to visit your local library and get the same information there...I have seen reports from both sources...but of course, you will have to believe what the children tell you...and you have a track-record off non belief in what you read else you would read the Holy Bible with more concern.
Also, we are still waiting for Nick to post up his evidence that the British government is taking his claims seriously. Seems to be taking a long time.
I'm glad to hear that Gordon...but I don't here and I too am close to an airport. I see helicopters and light planes but not the high altitude stuff though the ones that spew out this heavy debris can often be heard above the haze.How do you know that they are spewing out debris if you cannot see them doing it for yourself?
I'm glad to hear that Gordon...but I don't here and I too am close to an airport. I see helicopters and light planes but not the high altitude stuff though the ones that spew out this heavy debris can often be heard above the haze.Which airport is that Nick?
I'm glad to hear that Gordon...but I don't here and I too am close to an airport. I see helicopters and light planes but not the high altitude stuff though the ones that spew out this heavy debris can often be heard above the haze.
Well BeRational...if the universe is the result of a superabundant dynamic energy...God's Mighty Power, then it is easy to see why atoms, life, evolution, and Jesus Christ responded so efficiently because of it. It simply laid down all knowledge in a scientific way. Our sun is moving at high-speed through the universe along with all members of the Milky Way so to say that all this motion is sterile to the science it determines is, well, a little unscientific...but to say it causes black-holes between the high-speed universe and the static universe and in so doing creates all the power that packages atoms within our sun as if on a high speed production line, much nearer the truth. Want to know how it was all done and how it gives life then the best clues are in Holy Bible...want to just jibe and ridicule, well Jesus had a lot of that to deal with but it didn't stop his teaching, or his science from being 100% correct.
Stranger/BeRational...
It's all so simple really. All mass is restructured energy. Spin up a huge cloud of the stuff and it all follows the same pattern and the amount of galaxies and stars in the universe tells us just how much of it there is....I call it superabundant but you can take every atom and break down all their component parts add up all the energy you find then add on another 93% and you will still be way out but under rather than over.
There were already many galaxy clouds, millions in fact, even trillions of them, all containiing vast amounts of this energy and just drifting around space, in a static universe. You can itemise how much potential energy was in each cloud by doing a similar exercise as before for the individual galaxy under scrutiny but that is up to you. Now all we needed was God's hadron collider...a natural event, many times larger than its namesake here on planet Earth and with much fiercer results and which will knock all your sciences calculations into touch...It presents a science that really only a wonderful God can handle and Jesus Christ is the most skilled being to handle the multiplicity of it all.
Thank you for the opportunity to express it again...I look forward to your rants but it won't change the science one iota.
There you go again Stranger, your condemnation is more important to you than the facts. I still can't see how you can ignore the greatest point of science that I alone have put forward...taken from the Holy Bible but totally missed by modern science...that we are all on a high-speed platform that has a static foundation beneath it...and from this starting point all science can be decoded...It can, can it? Perhaps you'd like post the mathematical theory (that means formulas, not meaningless gibberish) that unites quantum field theory and general relativity - on you way to collecting your Nobel Prize, of course? Also it would be useful if you explained the measurement problem.
It's all so simple really. All mass is restructured energy...
[more gibberish]
Stranger/BeRational...
No Stranger...you need a God who speaks the language of normal people else how do you expect your proferred people to understand you. God's hadron collider was achieved by at least two of these huge, dense, clouds of energy drifting into each other and that set in motion a swirling force within these clouds as their two dense cores were set in motion, both heading for centre stage...both heading for a powerful collision, both preparing to smash into each other sending out shockwaves which would penetrate every other cloud in a predictable way sending them all spinning away from epicentre and swirling up into galaxial sized hurricane storms...Now, if you can't get your head around that I dread to think how you would do with strict scientific notation.
So, since you didn't answer either of my questions, we can conclude that your nonsense can't "decode all of science" at all.
You need mathematics to do physics, Nicholas. Even if what you say wasn't obviously scientifically illiterate gibberish, words in English will never be enough to "decode all of science".
No Stranger...you need a God who speaks the language of normal people else how do you expect your proferred people to understand you.
God's hadron collider was achieved by at least two of these huge, dense, clouds of energy drifting into each other and that set in motion a swirling force within these clouds as their two dense cores were set in motion, both heading for centre stage...both heading for a powerful collision, both preparing to smash into each other sending out shockwaves which would penetrate every other cloud in a predictable way sending them all spinning away from epicentre and swirling up into galaxial sized hurricane storms...Now, if you can't get your head around that I dread to think how you would do with strict scientific notation.
Does it have the equations for all flavours of QM.
YES or NO.
Stop the waffle, just answer.
Clue, the answer is NO, let's see if you can get it.
By my understanding, all QM theories are the study of atomic shrapnel.
They smash energy particles to smithereens which leave a trace of energy for the split second that they exist.
The real force within an atom is contrived by the higgs field.
An atomic black-hole, of sorts, that sucks in God's energy in a precise and meaningful way, all happening inside a newly forming star.
...is fully justifiable within the Holy Bible...and which leads us into scientific wonders that can only currently be dreamt about.
Your 'understanding' is wrong.
There is no such thing as an "energy particle". The rest of the sentence is meaningless.
No it isn't. The significant forces in an atom are the electromagnetic and strong nuclear force.
Nonsense. You do get that stars are made out of atoms, don't you?
Untrue.
You have to empty your mind of scientific superstition and deal with reality here Stranger.
Every atom is filled with energy and that energy is precise, accurate, and indisputably the result of carefully defined expressions of the energy that formed that atom.
The atoms didn't just fall out of the sky, with fanciful quantum particles just falling into place as it went, that is ludicrous, but it is also the story that dictates your sciences.
What happened, and I'll make it quick, is that the swirling crashing forces inside a newly forming star opened a tiny portal to the static universe that lay beneath all this high-speed action. The slightest hint of such a hole had energy of the star rush to fill it completely...until filled...but the hole pulsed as the excess energy was being swept away then pulling in a second tier of particle energy, and then a third layer until the electrons sealed the deal and all imploding force was stabilised, as much as pos anyway.
The depth within a star would determine the pressures and the identity of the atom produced...
...and it would all happen in the twinkling of an eye...but if you want to believe in your fanciful big-bang...
I'm glad to hear that Gordon...but I don't here and I too am close to an airport. I see helicopters and light planes but not the high altitude stuff though the ones that spew out this heavy debris can often be heard above the haze.I used to work in and live very near to Dublin airport.
You have a wonderful way with words BeRational but that will have to change if you want to claim a place in Jesus Christ's salvation plan. By my understanding, all QM theories are the study of atomic shrapnel. They smash energy particles to smithereens which leave a trace of energy for the split second that they exist. The real force within an atom is contrived by the higgs field. An atomic black-hole, of sorts, that sucks in God's energy in a precise and meaningful way, all happening inside a newly forming star. But you have got to have the whole picture to have any confidence in the minor detail. Listen rather than stamp and shout and you might get the whole picture which is all centred around the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ and which is fully justifiable within the Holy Bible...and which leads us into scientific wonders that can only currently be dreamt about. Tell Stranger cus he's just had a go and I have some work to do.Does it have the equations for all flavours of QM.
Stranger/Seb/BeRational...
You may live in a world where aggression and nasty remarks work to your advantage but they don't work here. With my inquisitive eye I have witnessed and confirm much of what has been reported on YouTube and in scientific debates about what is happening in our skies...you can debunk it all you like but soon the debunkers will be screaming the loudest because that's how they work...you see, that is their greatest skill, screaming and shouting. As far as science is concerned, anyone can, at their own level of intellect, discover something new about the universe, and express it as they see fit...My discovery is that science and the Holy Bible have strong points of unification between them and I have brought it here to discuss but discussion seems to be the last thing on anyones mind, more the aggressive, nasty, disbelief that any scientist would cringe at, if they weren't on a Christian mission.
By debunking my science the only person you are hurting is you, yourselves...because the Holy Bible will have the last word for each and everyone of us...and I can help you understand that fact.
With my inquisitive eye I have witnessed and confirm much of what has been reported on YouTube and in scientific debates about what is happening in our skies...What have you witnessed?
you can debunk it all you likedebunk
You may live in a world where aggression and nasty remarks work to your advantage but they don't work here.
As far as science is concerned, anyone can, at their own level of intellect, discover something new about the universe, and express it as they see fit...
By debunking my science...
I have shown you clearly that behind the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ is a wonderful science...The Science of Everything.
From it the highest authority in the universe has refined it...
It isn't hard to follow...
No lying, no cheating, no deceiving, no criminal behaviour, no spitefulness, no false witness.
The message from the Holy Bible...
Untrue.
No Nicholas, you are not the highest authority in the universe.
It's impossible to follow because it's devoid of meaning.
Good - why not make a start and stop bearing false witness by pretending you know anything about science?
No, the science gibberish isn't from the bible - you are bearing false witness. Go read Matthew 7:5.
You will have to explain to me Stranger what is hypercritical about saying follow Jesus Christ accurately. I say it often...what it means is read about him, follow him, do according to what he says and does and reap the benefits he offers.
The fact that there is a wonderful science behind his teaching is secondary but it helps to know about it if you are doubtful.
But I think that even the accurate teaching of Jesus wouldn't persuade you because it would mean a huge change in attitude for you. Still...we can but pray...which incedently, is the only way to meet the meek requirement for attaching ourselves to God's universal radio frequency and receive his free energy.
Could I suggest you stick with saying that. Sounds much better.
Better to not mention it if you want to be taken seriously.
Then you go and ruin it with more gibberish. Oh well.
Oh Maeght...you see what I mean when I say...In the mouth it was sweet but in the belly it was bitter. You want to try taking in God's 'word' sometime. It's 'll about responsibility and reality, bearing in mind that it is an all electric universe with a righteous God who has a righteous lead scientist in the form of Jesus Christ, ready to lead us away from the huge emotionnal black-hole called life and the huge black-hole that fires up the fiery lake of sulphur.
Saving people isn't much fun when the Holy Bible is ignored by them because that is where all the responsible and real information is contained and though some people can be righteous and not read a word from it people who condemn Jesus without knowing anything about him will be viewed very differently.
NM; Why do you do this kind of thing - intersperse your theories on theology with 'science' it's clear you know little or nothing of, beyond schoolboy physics? Equally, why did you assert, umpteen posts ago, that you 'knew' the Egyptians oppressed a slave population, when there is virtually no evidence for this, and, anyway, the Egyptian concept of slavery was not that of the Persian model, which seems to have been taken up by Greeks and Romans? There are posters here with degrees in physics, chemistry, biology and archaeology - and they look at your postings with bafflement. They - we - ask you to provide evidence. Evidence is the bedrock of science; and science can't properly be discussed without the evidence on which it is based. You singularly fail to do this at every turn. Why can't you simply produce honest, peer reviewed evidence? Physics is far beyond my ability; but even my discipline needs it - C14 dating, MRI imaging, etc. I don't need a degree in physics - but I do need to reference those who have. Equally, you mention genetics. Biology amazes me, and I envy those who are investigating the front line of genetics and DNA. Here, too, I need their help: geneticists and DNA experts have decoded the genetic links between a whole dynasty of royal mummies, in process revealing much about disease in the Ancient world. That's not speculation; that's solid, peer reviewed evidence we can refer to. Now, in the latter case - the DNA - there's a dispute raging over the interpretation of one particular mummy's DNA; but scientists can all agree that the DNA in question is solid, irrefutable evidence. In your posts, you give us no evidence to use as a base - nothing to anchor your theories on. You've been told that the Bible is not - cannot be - evidence for the Bible. No theologian or Christian apologist worth their salt will say otherwise. Un till you actually bring real evidence we can either read for ourselves or link to the thread, you'll continue to suffer the fact that you won't be taken seriously.
You will have to explain to me Stranger what is hypercritical about saying follow Jesus Christ accurately. I say it often...
Stranger/Seb/BeRational..
I have shown you clearly that behind the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ is a wonderful science...The Science of Everything. From it the highest authority in the universe has refined it into his own preffered way of living...His Word...made flesh, in his son Jesus Christ...The Science of Righteousness...It isn't hard to follow...less rudeness would be a start. No lying, no cheating, no deceiving, no criminal behaviour, no spitefulness, no false witness. I can't see why you are so opposed to it...It all adds up to an indestructible, righteous spirit that can be resurrected into a new vessel at the appropriate time...both the science and Jesus Christ prove this point. Better still we can start a genetic repair programme, now, immediately, that encourages our replicating living cells to become stronger, healthier and responsive to our environment...but it all takes time...time we haven't got...unless we follow Jesus Christ accurately...and thereby live the science.
The message from the Holy Bible is that unless we do we will be lacking the endurence to sustain ourselves during and after the great tribulations and the outcome won't be good.
The hypocrisy is in the fact that you say it but do not practice it. You try to associate Jesus with your made up pretend science gibberish and then tell us that bearing false witness is wrong when you do that very thing in almost all of your posts.
You clearly know nothing at all about science, so in order to "follow Jesus Christ accurately" you should stop pretending that you do.
I'll let you into a little secret Stranger...I'm doing exactly what I've been told to do...by a much higher authority than you or I...and you reckon prayer doesn't work.
I'll let you into a little secret Stranger...I'm doing exactly what I've been told to do...by a much higher authority than you or I...and you reckon prayer doesn't work.I'm praying that you will tell me which airport you live close to.
I'm praying that you will tell me which airport you live close to.
Will it work?
Have you been hearing voices now NM?
No it wont Seb...a man must have some privacy...Incidentally, I saw my first starry sky last night. First for a very long time.What changed?
Not really Maeght just my own voice of inquiry seeking to make sense of all the physics, and other sciences that I had an unquenchable thirst to explore...but after you have amassed the many facts and an answer leaps out of the page at you, you wonder if following Jesus Christ as accurately as I can, somehow fed the answer into my psyche...It all makes sense when you explore the many facets of an electrical universe and a righteous ownership of it all...especially the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.
I'll let you into a little secret Stranger...I'm doing exactly what I've been told to do...by a much higher authority than you or I...and you reckon prayer doesn't work.
Not really Maeght just my own voice of inquiry seeking to make sense of all the physics, and other sciences that I had an unquenchable thirst to explore...
I'll let you into a little secret Stranger...I'm doing exactly what I've been told to do...by a much higher authority than you or I...and you reckon prayer doesn't work.
Nick, how do you know it wasn't Satan that was telling you what to do?As far as I can determine, Nick's M.O. follows so closely to that of one of Satan's henchmen that conclusions must righteously he drawn!
Satan's very tricky so I've been told, you never know Nick?
Regards ippy
As far as I can determine, Nick's M.O. follows so closely to that of one of Satan's henchmen that conclusions must righteously he drawn!
...only the Anti Christ would try to confuse science with psuedo-babble science.
..Now, Seb...How can, 'follow the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ' be attributable to Satan...only the antiChrist could make such an assertion and you know it is all this type of confusion planted in peoples minds by the antiChrist that is causing all the mayhem in the world today...so...well done.
You see why Jesus Christ is so important in our lives...
It won't work. My science has been tested to my own standards of satisfaction...
If you weren't so determined to ridicule and shout abuse we could have gotten into a deep and meaningful conversation about it all but I'm afraid that has become impossible.
It is the core understanding found within the Holy Bible and dictates the terms and conditions of every known science.
Energy and force are two parts of the same thing and combine to make mass...
...else you rubbish Einstein's most famous equation at a stroke, Stranger...
Now, Seb...How can, 'follow the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ' be attributable to Satan...
I'm afraid you are all hopelessly lost...That's no reflection on me...
This is why the Christian message tells us to be kind, loving, merciful and love our neighbours because it separates and protects us from the aggression and the hostility of all those condemned in Revelation 21:8.
When will we find out?
You had your chance and you blew it.