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Religion and Ethics Discussion => Christian Topic => Topic started by: NicholasMarks on October 01, 2016, 05:24:54 PM
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Jesus Christ tells us he isn't from this world. This world is a planet so, by implication, Jesus is from another planet...and if this is the case then these people from this other planet are far more advanced than we are because they have certainly breeched the difficulty of getting through space quite efficiently...haven't they?? (John 18:36)
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Jesus Christ tells us he isn't from this world. This world is a planet so, by implication, Jesus is from another planet...and if this is the case then these people from this other planet are far more advanced than we are because they have certainly breeched the difficulty of getting through space quite efficiently...haven't they?? (John 18:36)
Planets are from THIS world. The OTHER world could be a parallel universe that scientists are speculating about. Its probably much easier to come and go from a parallel universe than from exoplanets because Parallel universes are said to exist all around us.
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There is not a place in all creation where God cannot be found. Not a time where he is not.
He tells the end from the beginning. God in all places at all times... A little difficult for some to understand.
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Planets are from THIS world. The OTHER world could be a parallel universe that scientists are speculating about. Its probably much easier to come and go from a parallel universe than from exoplanets because Parallel universes are said to exist all around us.
You do make things difficult for yourself Sriram...There is only one universe...but that one universe comprises of two primary dimensions. Almighty God teaches us about them saying that the first dimension, his primary dimension, is a quiet, peaceful place where time stands still and where all the dynamic energy that created the universe existed...just drifting around that static dimension, building up into huge, dense clouds, of galaxy proportions...both in size and potential energy content. There were as many clouds as there are now galaxies. The other dimension is the one we live in.
It is the clashes between these two dimensions that created all science...under the auspices of Almighty God.
If we reach out for God's primary dimension, especially at difficult times, we reach a peace that passeth all understanding.
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There is not a place in all creation where God cannot be found. Not a time where he is not.
He tells the end from the beginning. God in all places at all times... A little difficult for some to understand.
No arguments there Sassy.
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You do make things difficult for yourself Sriram...There is only one universe...
You have definitive proof for this assertion, NM? After all, if God is able to exist in a tripartite nature and in both human and spirit form, why shouldn't he be able to have multiverses?
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This looks good, you guys keep going, I'm going to get some popcorn.
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You have definitive proof for this assertion, NM? After all, if God is able to exist in a tripartite nature and in both human and spirit form, why shouldn't he be able to have multiverses?
It's quite simple really Hope...They aren't needed (multiverses)...not to make this universe to function as it does...and give quick and easy access to many different places in the Milky Way...I could say universe, but that would require even more expertise.
True that there are three aspects to God's authority...He, himself...Jesus Christ, his son...and the Holy Spirit, which we ourselves develop by following Jesus' accurate teaching. Each separate and individual parts of that high authority.
If Almighty God wanted to come here in the flesh I'm sure he could and there would have been no difference in the righteous teaching or the outcome...but that would have left all those in Heaven without leadership for a time and so Jesus undertook to bring that righteous knowledge to us on God's behalf...knowing full well what the outcome would be and the full impact on those who value righteous good order, against the disgraceful mechanics that the world offers us today. But, you see, we have got to follow the full extent of the knowledge of good and evil so that we know exactly which side we are on...either on the side with solid, righteous, resistance, to Wormwood or the side with no resistance what-so-ever.
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......... where all the dynamic energy that created the universe existed...just drifting around that static dimension, building up into huge, dense clouds, of galaxy proportions...both in size and potential energy content.
drift: to move slowly, especially as a result of outside forces, with no control over direction:
Nick if something drifts that means it was in one place then sometime later it is in another place - having moved there slowly.
Is that what is happening in the other dimension?
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drift: to move slowly, especially as a result of outside forces, with no control over direction:
Nick if something drifts that means it was in one place then sometime later it is in another place - having moved there slowly.
Is that what is happening in the other dimension?
That is what was happening before that trigger swirled them all up into massive hurricane forces all hurtling outward away from the epicentre of all that commotion...now serious science could begin, but lying beneath all that activity there still exists a tranquil place where time stands still...we just have to fit it into our sciences and thanks to the Holy Bible and Jesus Christ...we can.
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That is what was happening before that trigger swirled them all up into massive hurricane forces all hurtling outward away from the epicentre of all that commotion...now serious science could begin, but lying beneath all that activity there still exists a tranquil place where time stands still...we just have to fit it into our sciences and thanks to the Holy Bible and Jesus Christ...we can.
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My problem with that Nick is, how, in place where time stands still,does a time event happen?
If the clouds are in one place, then sometime later they are in another? That strongly suggests that time is very much in evidence!
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My problem with that Nick is, how, in place where time stands still,does a time event happen?
If the clouds are in one place, then sometime later they are in another? That strongly suggests that time is very much in evidence!
Well...first of all there was no one to measure time...and secondly time is a construct of events...especialy gravatation events...but there was no gravity. It was just a time-less continuum with a concept that both Almighty God and Alhert Einstein introduce by their statements which state according to their own branches of science that time can be perfectly static..ie...At the speed of light time stands still or, as I prefer...a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years a day.
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Well...first of all there was no one to measure time...and secondly time is a construct of events...especialy gravatation events...but there was no gravity. It was just a time-less continuum with a concept that both Almighty God and Alhert Einstein introduce by their statements which state according to their own branches of science that time can be perfectly static..ie...At the speed of light time stands still or, as I prefer...a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years a day.
But Nick, the clouds were moving slowly, remember. Not at the speed of light!
Do you even read your own nonsense?
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But Nick, the clouds were moving slowly, remember. Not at the speed of light!
Do you even read your own nonsense?
Of course I do, Seb...I also read the nonsense of others.
I know it is hard when you are bombarded with mind blowing substances like adverts and propaganda, daily...but try to think outside the box. They were listed as two separate branches of science mentioned above...yours and mine. Both allude to the same concept...one from the perspective of a high speed, expanding universe and one from the static, original, timeless zone of the Holy Bible, that Almighty God, Jesus Christ and now me, allude to. Put your scientific head on Seb and pretend you are sitting in the lecture theatre at the Hadron Collider...because I can give you a much more vivid account of mass and its origins and it is all extrapolated from the Holy Bible.
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Of course I do, Seb...I also read the nonsense of others.
I know it is hard when you are bombarded with mind blowing substances like adverts and propaganda, daily...but try to think outside the box. They were listed as two separate branches of science mentioned above...yours and mine. Both allude to the same concept...one from the perspective of a high speed, expanding universe and one from the static, original, timeless zone of the Holy Bible, that Almighty God, Jesus Christ and now me, allude to. Put your scientific head on Seb and pretend you are sitting in the lecture theatre at the Hadron Collider...because I can give you a much more vivid account of mass and its origins and it is all extrapolated from the Holy Bible.
Doesn't stop your 'timeless universe ' which has time events in it, from being nonsense though, does it?
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Doesn't stop your 'timeless universe ' which has time events in it, from being nonsense though, does it?
It does actually Seb...but we will have to pretend the concept is too difficult for you, as yet...Try this one...
You are curently living on a planet that is not only turning on its own axis...or orbiting the sun but is swooping around a black hole whilst it also hurtles through the expanding universe...and you thank your normal, everyday experiences are sufficient to guide you through the depths of the mechanics that all your life experiences are made up from.
The sensible guy might say to themselves...I will listen extra hard to the authority that claims to to know all about these things.
The Holy Bible...and in particular, the life, death and the resurrection of Jesus Christ, is such a claim.
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The sensible guy might say to themselves...I will listen extra hard to the authority that claims to to know all about these things.
You are still keen on the same fallacy I see. Appeals to authority are not an argument. The Qu'ran also claims to be the definitive guide to the nature of God and man's relationship with him. Do you listen extra hard to that also, or do your principles go out the window then ?
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There is not a place in all creation where God cannot be found. Not a time where he is not.
He tells the end from the beginning. God in all places at all times... A little difficult for some to understand.
So your god is in Hell?
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You are still keen on the same fallacy I see. Appeals to authority are not an argument. The Qu'ran also claims to be the definitive guide to the nature of God and man's relationship with him. Do you listen extra hard to that also, or do your principles go out the window then ?
Yes, I'm afraid they do.
Islam...though it might carry some good ideas as most religions do...(how else can they capture many minds)...lost me when I read that their 'Messiah' would be born from a man...you see...I realised instantly that this was a misrepresentation of...The Son of Man...and so I see it as a combination of Judaism and Christianity with an Egyptian influence. That doesn't mean they are totally wrong...It means that the root of Esau is represented here.
None of the other religions have a strict code built out of the science that is represented within the scriptures and especially the Gospels...except of course Judaism which is Almighty God riding ahead of his chosen people and guiding them into becoming a solid immovable nation...but they are also doomed because they refuse to follow Jesus accurately and the science of the structure of the entire universe including health and everlasting life is all wrapped up in that science.
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So your god is in Hell?
Almighty God says that everywhere in the universe is made from his hand...his electric/spiritual force...and Wormwood is one aspect of those forces...but by showing us how to escape Hell, he is showing us he doesn't get too involved with it.
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Well...first of all there was no one to measure time...and secondly time is a construct of events...especialy gravatation events...but there was no gravity. It was just a time-less continuum with a concept that both Almighty God and Alhert Einstein introduce by their statements which state according to their own branches of science that time can be perfectly static..ie...At the speed of light time stands still or, as I prefer...a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years a day.
Rubbish Nick, what you're saying bears no relation to any one of the Flash Gordon episodes I've seen.
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Rubbish Nick, what you're saying bears no relation to any one of the Flash Gordon episodes I've seen.
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Rubbish is in the eye of the beholder, ippy...and I am wondering if you have any (in)sight at all.
If Einstein says it...even though few can understand it...it is true. If Almighty God says it then it is dubious and worthy of ridicule...not to mention the odd crucifixion here and there. Well I am saying it again. Mainly because Jesus Christ believed in his father implicitly and I do too...and mainly because all your sciences need it to make them work. I'm not just talking accepted science...I am talking the problems and holes in accepted science and of these there are many.
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Rubbish is in the eye of the beholder, ippy...and I am wondering if you have any (in)sight at all.
If Einstein says it...even though few can understand it...it is true. If Almighty God says it then it is dubious and worthy of ridicule...not to mention the odd crucifixion here and there. Well I am saying it again. Mainly because Jesus Christ believed in his father implicitly and I do too...and mainly because all your sciences need it to make them work. I'm not just talking accepted science...I am talking the problems and holes in accepted science and of these there are many.
"If almighty god", yes Nick.
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Almighty God says that everywhere in the universe is made from his hand...his electric/spiritual force...and Wormwood is one aspect of those forces...but by showing us how to escape Hell, he is showing us he doesn't get too involved with it.
But is he there or not?
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But is he there or not?
Circular arguments wont help you find Almighty God and it is obvious that those who have too many reasons not to look wont find him either...but these are the very ones who are in great peril...according to Biblical teaching...they wont be lookig for the great danger that is about to overcome this planet either...and certainly wont be prepared. They might think that thay will simply impose on those who have prepared at that time...but it will be all over in a flash.
Rather you than me.
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Circular arguments wont help you find Almighty God and it is obvious that those who have too many reasons not to look wont find him either...but these are the very ones who are in great peril...according to Biblical teaching...they wont be lookig for the great danger that is about to overcome this planet either...and certainly wont be prepared. They might think that thay will simply impose on those who have prepared at that time...but it will be all over in a flash.
Rather you than me.
circular avoidance doesn't work with me Nick.
Your avoidance of an accurate reply leads to the inevitable conclusion- you don't know. Why don't you just admit it?
....and move on......
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circular avoidance doesn't work with me Nick.
Your avoidance of an accurate reply leads to the inevitable conclusion- you don't know. Why don't you just admit it?
....and move on......
Simple really Seb...you aren't reading...just attacking...and that is a tactic which I am well able to understand...It is all down to sluggish juices passing through the equipment you aren't prepared to put into the discussion.
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Simple really Seb...you aren't reading...just attacking...and that is a tactic which I am well able to understand...It is all down to sluggish juices passing through the equipment you aren't prepared to put into the discussion.
Not attacking Nick. Just pointing out some facts to you. Just because you are uncomfortable with those facts gives you no right to falsely accuse me. That's what a bully does Nick.
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Not attacking Nick. Just pointing out some facts to you. Just because you are uncomfortable with those facts gives you no right to falsely accuse me. That's what a bully does Nick.
Anything but stay on track Seb. If I said I don't want to derail the thread by going down an Islamic route...what don't you understand??
There is still plenty of meat here in the fact that Jesus said...My Kingdom is Not of This World...so think of some counter argument to that instead of derailing the thread.
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Anything but stay on track Seb. If I said I don't want to derail the thread by going down an Islamic route...what don't you understand??
There is still plenty of meat here in the fact that Jesus said...My Kingdom is Not of This World...so think of some counter argument to that instead of derailing the thread.
A simple answer Nick. The Prophet Muhammad pbuh tell you, if you studied his words accurately that Jesus was a Prophet. Therefore he couldn't have the kingdom to which you refer.
That's not a derail Nick, that's a proper counter argument.
If only you would read the Qu'ran accurately and with an open heart. Then you would understand.
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A simple answer Nick. The Prophet Muhammad pbuh tell you, if you studied his words accurately that Jesus was a Prophet. Therefore he couldn't have the kingdom to which you refer.
That's not a derail Nick, that's a proper counter argument.
If only you would read the Qu'ran accurately and with an open heart. Then you would understand.
Not biting today Seb...even you can see through your half-hearted argument to poke fun at both deities.
Better to realise that Islam is the religion of Esau and it too has a Biblical claim.
But Jesus Christ is offering even you Seb, salvation, but not freely or without a righteous turn around and quickly.
Quickly here means...no one knows the hour or the day...except Almighty God who is in Heaven...but all the signs are saying...'quickly'...and if you think you can argue with a power that can travel the universe as obviously as they can, I would be more mindful of saying the things that might offend them.
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But Jesus Christ is offering even you Seb, salvation, but not freely or without a righteous turn around and quickly.
Quickly here means...no one knows the hour or the day...except Almighty God who is in Heaven...but all the signs are saying...'quickly'...
You have me confused Nick. Is the last 'quickly' in your post
The English everyday common usage of 'quickly' or your contorted use as in 'nobody knows'.....etc.?
It's important to know the difference. For my salvation and all that!
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Almighty God says that everywhere in the universe is made from his hand...his electric/spiritual force...and Wormwood is one aspect of those forces...but by showing us how to escape Hell, he is showing us he doesn't get too involved with it.
He created it and allows it to exist and function. You can't get much more involved than that!
Ps. I've just watched an episode of Horizon that was all about the concept of infinity.
Towards the end, cosmologists were postulating that there are actually an infinite number of different universes.
This means there may well be a universe where your Wormwood Star exists. Another one where I am a deeply pious believer and yet another where Sass is a Satanist. In fact there would even be one where all three scenarios exist in the same universe.
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This means there may well be a universe where your Wormwood Star exists. Another one where I am a deeply pious believer and yet another where Sass is a Satanist. In fact there would even be one where all three exist scenarios exist in the same universe.
I would pay good money to travel there!
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I would pay good money to travel there!
He he. Perhaps there's even a universe where I've figured out how to get my profile pic right but that's pushing things a bit.
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He he. Perhaps there's even a universe where I've figured out how to get my profile pic right but that's pushing things a bit.
But there is only one universe Khatru. It's funny how science will go to extremes to build into their knowledge-base things they can't explain but know has a reality. They are trying to justify space ships, portals, time warps and free energy but if they had just studied the Holy Bible they would already know and the world would be a much better place.
Still, we will get to those in due course...and then the electric mechanics of the living-cell which must unify into the same equation as well...ask Jesus Christ...a vistor whose kingdom is not of this world but he sure as heck knew a thing or two about this one.
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There is not a place in all creation where God cannot be found. Not a time where he is not.
He tells the end from the beginning. God in all places at all times... A little difficult for some to understand.
That is your belief to which you are entitled. However, it is not a fact. I suspect if there are intelligent life forms in other parts of this vast universe of ours, they might have very different belief systems to the ones here on Earth.
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That is your belief to which you are entitled. However, it is not a fact. I suspect if there are intelligent life forms in other parts of this vast universe of ours, they might have very different belief systems to the ones here on Earth.
Hi Floo, welcome back...
I'm afraid there is a combination of reasons behind everything I say and each resolve themselves within Biblical study. It is already established, scientifically, that everything in the universe unifies together. Jesus says everything unifies under the auspices of Almighty God.
This means that every science is the same here as it is on a remote desert island planet out there deep in space. Almighty God in his written word and especially in the Gospels takes us into this unified knowledge so that we have a distnct advantage over the serious issues these universal laws throw at us.
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Hi Floo, welcome back...
I'm afraid there is a combination of reasons behind everything I say and each resolve themselves within Biblical study. It is already established, scientifically, that everything in the universe unifies together. Jesus says everything unifies under the auspices of Almighty God.
This means that every science is the same here as it is on a remote desert island planet out there deep in space. Almighty God in his written word and especially in the Gospels takes us into this unified knowledge so that we have a distnct advantage over the serious issues these universal laws throw at us.
That is how you interpret your view of the world and universe NM, but you can't prove god exists,or anything in the Bible is anymore than a human production. Of course I can't prove god doesn't exist either, but as there is no proof either way, one has to rely on what seems the most logical. To me the default position is unbelief unless the presence of god is proved in a way which no one can deny.
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That is how you interpret your view of the world and universe NM, but you can't prove god exists,or anything in the Bible is anymore than a human production. Of course I can't prove god doesn't exist either, but as there is no proof either way, one has to rely on what seems the most logical. To me the default position is unbelief unless the presence of god is proved in a way which no one can deny.
Wrong again Floo...The Holy Bible is a book of very advanced knowledge. I'm afraid you have been tricked by iniquity into falling out with their curious take on the truth...but don't worry, salvation is at hand. Just read what Jesus actually said and implement that into your life...knowing that you are following a science and not the mumbo jumbo that has angered you so much.
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Yes, I'm afraid they do.
Islam...though it might carry some good ideas as most religions do...(how else can they capture many minds)...lost me when I read that their 'Messiah' would be born from a man...you see...I realised instantly that this was a misrepresentation of...The Son of Man...and so I see it as a combination of Judaism and Christianity with an Egyptian influence. That doesn't mean they are totally wrong...It means that the root of Esau is represented here.
None of the other religions have a strict code built out of the science that is represented within the scriptures and especially the Gospels...except of course Judaism which is Almighty God riding ahead of his chosen people and guiding them into becoming a solid immovable nation...but they are also doomed because they refuse to follow Jesus accurately and the science of the structure of the entire universe including health and everlasting life is all wrapped up in that science.
Ah!
The Messiah will be born from a man............
So that disqualifies everyone, in the past anyway :)
We need more science so men can have babies ;)
Got it :)
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Simple really Seb...you aren't reading...just attacking...and that is a tactic which I am well able to understand...It is all down to sluggish juices passing through the equipment you aren't prepared to put into the discussion.
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Never heard that one before!
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The mind boggles! :o
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Jesus Christ tells us he isn't from this world. This world is a planet so, by implication, Jesus is from another planet...and if this is the case then these people from this other planet are far more advanced than we are because they have certainly breeched the difficulty of getting through space quite efficiently...haven't they?? (John 18:36)
Jesus comes from another planet? Steady there Nicholas.... "My kingdom is not of this world... " surely is saying my kingdom is of the spiritual realm.
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Wrong again Floo...The Holy Bible is a book of very advanced knowledge. I'm afraid you have been tricked by iniquity into falling out with their curious take on the truth...but don't worry, salvation is at hand. Just read what Jesus actually said and implement that into your life...knowing that you are following a science and not the mumbo jumbo that has angered you so much.
NM, the Bible is a book written by humans with the limited knowledge they had of the world all those many centuries ago. You read into the Bible things which I am willing to bet was nothing to do with the way the authors saw it. I think Jesus, if he was around today, would also be highly surprised by the way you attribute to him scientific knowledge which he didn't possess, being a man of his time.
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Jesus comes from another planet? Steady there Nicholas.... "My kingdom is not of this world... " surely is saying my kingdom is of the spiritual realm.
Your point is also true SweetPea...but I am looking at Almighty God's total ownership of the entire universe. He owns it because he is the true living voice of the science that Jesus also teaches us...and the state of the world today tells us that God doesn't live here directly...to suggest he does means that he isn't the God that Jesus Christ taught us about. Via prayer we can have communication with our God...remembering that we cannot go to God unless we go through Jesus...this means following Jesus' righteous teaching and including him in our prayers.
Now...Almighty God is in Heaven. The path to Heaven features being lifted into clouds and this suggests to me that Jesus was lifted into a space vehicle ready to sweep him off to Heaven...where he became the highest authority in the universe under the authority of his father. Now this is tough luck on those who discredit righteousness and Jesus because they will have to realise, and soon, that they are blaspheming a wonderful people who are a little cleverer than ourselves.
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Jesus comes from another planet?
Welcome to the Sparkiverse. Careful or you might get trapped in it just like Nick has.
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WOW I have just had a revelation, our NM is really an alien from a planet of his own creation. He is kindly this forum his time to give us the benefit of his superior knowledge. :D
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WOW I have just had a revelation, our NM is really an alien from a planet of his own creation. He is kindly this forum his time to give us the benefit of his superior knowledge. :D
If you say so Floo...as long as you realise that everything you say will be taken down and used in evidence.
It's a certain fact that if Jesus' kingdom was not from this world then his great army will be ready to help those who do value his word ensuring that they are guided to that new heavens and new Earth at the appropriate time, whilst everyone else, who are unsuccessfully reached, are listed as unfaithful.
See as that's not you Floo.
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Jesus Christ tells us he isn't from this world. This world is a planet so, by implication, Jesus is from another planet...and if this is the case then these people from this other planet are far more advanced than we are because they have certainly breached the difficulty of getting through space quite efficiently...haven't they??
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You will love this show Sparky: http://tinyurl.com/jf6lynz A H2 classic!!
Apparently I have an 'invalid video configuration' to play your offering Ricky...but I suggest I can do much better. I have seen ufos and these got me thinking about the true nature of the universe and how these things could possibly work. Many of my conclusions are embedded in my posts.
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Apparently I have an 'invalid video configuration' to play your offering Ricky...but I suggest I can do much better. I have seen ufos and these got me thinking about the true nature of the universe and how these things could possibly work. Many of my conclusions are embedded in my posts.
You have seen UFOs, how many, and what did they look like?
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Apparently I have an 'invalid video configuration' to play your offering Ricky...but I suggest I can do much better. I have seen ufos and these got me thinking about the true nature of the universe and how these things could possibly work. Many of my conclusions are embedded in my posts.
Nick I note you're very selective about whom you answer, why's that?
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Nicholas Marks
It is quite clear from quotes attributed to Jesus that he predicted that the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN would arrive within the lifetime of those listening to him.
What happened? Where is it? Or are those people who were listening to him still alive and still waiting?
Verily I say unto you, there are some of them that stand here, who shall in no wise taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom (Matthew 16:28).
Verily I say unto you, there are some here of them that stand by, who shall in no wise taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God come with power (Mark 9:1).
But I tell you of a truth, there are some of them that stand here, who shall in no wise taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God (Luke 9:27).
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It is quite clear from quotes attributed to Jesus that he predicted that the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN would arrive within the lifetime of those listening to him.
I have asked that question many times John, but never got a satisfactory answer.
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but we are still listening to him.
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Your point is also true SweetPea...but I am looking at Almighty God's total ownership of the entire universe. He owns it because he is the true living voice of the science that Jesus also teaches us...and the state of the world today tells us that God doesn't live here directly...to suggest he does means that he isn't the God that Jesus Christ taught us about. Via prayer we can have communication with our God...remembering that we cannot go to God unless we go through Jesus...this means following Jesus' righteous teaching and including him in our prayers.
Now...Almighty God is in Heaven. The path to Heaven features being lifted into clouds and this suggests to me that Jesus was lifted into a space vehicle ready to sweep him off to Heaven...where he became the highest authority in the universe under the authority of his father. Now this is tough luck on those who discredit righteousness and Jesus because they will have to realise, and soon, that they are blaspheming a wonderful people who are a little cleverer than ourselves.
Hm, space vehicle? We know that when Yahweh was seen in OT times he was surrounded by a cloud. I think that's probably how Jesus was transported to heaven. As for where heaven is, it isn't in space. The sky and space are a copy of the heaven. When Jesus was baptized he saw heaven 'opened'. So it seems that it can be glimpsed from the earth, when it is opened for us.
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Hm, space vehicle? We know that when Yahweh was seen in OT times he was surrounded by a cloud. I think that's probably how Jesus was transported to heaven. As for where heaven is, it isn't in space. The sky and space are a copy of the heaven. When Jesus was baptized he saw heaven 'opened'. So it seems that it can be glimpsed from the earth, when it is opened for us.
The Bible is a book of fanciful tales most of which are much less than credible.
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Nicholas Marks
It is quite clear from quotes attributed to Jesus that he predicted that the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN would arrive within the lifetime of those listening to him.
What happened? Where is it? Or are those people who were listening to him still alive and still waiting?
Verily I say unto you, there are some of them that stand here, who shall in no wise taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom (Matthew 16:28).
Verily I say unto you, there are some here of them that stand by, who shall in no wise taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God come with power (Mark 9:1).
But I tell you of a truth, there are some of them that stand here, who shall in no wise taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God (Luke 9:27).
The "kingdom of heaven" is where God's rule is manifested in his chosen king, Jesus. It's inaugurated already, but not consummated until the end of the world.
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The "kingdom of heaven" is where God's rule is manifested in his chosen king, Jesus. It's inaugurated already, but not consummated until the end of the world.
That is your belief, not a fact.
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but we are still listening to him.
You might be, Brownie.
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You might be, Brownie.
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I'm listening to the wonderful 'word' of Jesus as well, ippy.
I've been out all day but I'll endeavor to answer some of your questions here.
Spud/John...There are many facets to Jesus' teaching. Sometimes he was talking just to those who believed in him implicitly and by way of belief in him followed his teaching accurately. Who is to say that these didn't go to Heaven without seeing death. Also, we should consider what happens to the less faithful followers when they die, because it is clear to me that all those who try and follow Jesus, since Jesus, have been reborn into the next generation, so these haven't seen death either...but also there is the final climax of God's Judgement when we will all pass through God's electric/spiritual filter, even those trapped in the electric ether from bygone days...some to everlasting life here on planet Earth, never to see death again, and some who will also never see death again because the part of us that can live forever will be snatched away within a fiery lake of sulphur where they can never inflict any injury on anyone else again....so, those who can...should repent and upbuild their own righteous spirit regardless of which generation we live in...and, especially, if I'm reading the signs correctly, this, the last generation.
Floo...Yes I have stories about ufo events, 3 in fact, one of which...the most publicised event, was a flyover which I heard, rather than saw, as it flew over my home and which got national publicity. Maybe I will tell you about them one day.
Spud...We know that Almighty God is the owner of the whole universe and all laws within it and it is clear to me that this includes the sciences that allow deep space exploration...quickly, easily, and efficiently. It also includes the parting of the 2 dimensions that give the universe all its energy, and it includes the finest teaching available from the finest science achievable...The Science of Righteousness.
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.........should repent and upbuild their own righteous spirit regardless of which generation we live in...and, especially, if I'm reading the signs correctly, this, the last generation.
Nick. How are you defining 'generation' please?
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Nick. How are you defining 'generation' please?
Generation, for you Seb, is the generation you are living in now. You are overlapping the generation that is following you and the one that is ahead of you dependent upon your age...but you should have worked that out for yourself Seb. The last generation is the period when all who are living are struck by Wormwood...the Fiery Lake of Sulphur...and it appears the gravitational and magnetic interference that will conclude that last generation.
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Generation, for you Seb, is the generation you are living in now. You are overlapping the generation that is following you and the one that is ahead of you dependent upon your age...but you should have worked that out for yourself Seb. The last generation is the period when all who are living are struck by Wormwood...the Fiery Lake of Sulphur...and it appears the gravitational and magnetic interference that will conclude that last generation.
Is that compatible wirh the dictionary definition?
all of the people born and living at about the same time, regarded collectively.
That one?
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Floo...Yes I have stories about ufo events, 3 in fact, one of which...the most publicised event, was a flyover which I heard, rather than saw, as it flew over my home and which got national publicity. Maybe I will tell you about them one day.
I am sure there is a natural explanation for ufos and they are not aliens visiting our planet. I think if they were in our vicinity some would have landed by now, and we would have them in captivity!
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I am sure there is a natural explanation for ufos and they are not aliens visiting our planet. I think if they were in our vicinity some would have landed by now, and we would have them in captivity!
Would capturing them be the best option?
Assuming we could of course, since if they had the technology to get here then trying to round them up might be easier said than done - we might end up annoying them, which might not be the best option.
They might think we were uncivilised primitives - mind you they could be right on that score if our first response was to try and lock 'em up.
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Would capturing them be the best option?
Assuming we could of course, since if they had the technology to get here then trying to round them up might be easier said than done - we might end up annoying them, which might not be the best option.
They might think we were uncivilised primitives - mind you they could be right on that score if our first response was to try and lock 'em up.
You could be right. However, I think if aliens were buzzing around our planet as often as is reported, we would have some definite evidence to support their existence, which I don't think we have.
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You could be right. However, I think if aliens were buzzing around our planet as often as is reported, we would have some definite evidence to support their existence, which I don't think we have.
There are many ways of looking at this phenomena...but...first and formost...it puts Jesus Christ in a totally new light because it makes him the honesr and true represehtative of the authority that resurrected this planet from its void and devoid state and also claims total authority over us all regardless of what evil thinks.
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There are many ways of looking at this phenomena...but...first and formost...it puts Jesus Christ in a totally new light because it makes him the honesr and true represehtative of the authority that resurrected this planet from its void and devoid state and also claims total authority over us all regardless of what evil thinks.
What on earth UFOs have to do with the long dead Jesus goodness only knows! Your imagination is incredible NM!
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Apparently I have an 'invalid video configuration' to play your offering Ricky...but I suggest I can do much better. I have seen ufos and these got me thinking about the true nature of the universe and how these things could possibly work. Many of my conclusions are embedded in my posts.
Awwww sorry to hear that Sparky.
Try here instead: http://www.history.com/shows/ancient-aliens
I love this sort of shit, as a wise man once said: "Chariots of the gods man": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fsc6wT5Eau4
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Awwww sorry to hear that Sparky.
Try here instead: http://www.history.com/shows/ancient-aliens
I love this sort of shit, as a wise man once said: "Chariots of the gods man": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fsc6wT5Eau4
I'm not into playing games Ricky and the footnote on all your posts suggest you don't love my portrayal of the same phenomenon. What you might come to love...as I did...is that if you read the New Testament and bear in mind that forces much more advanced than us sent Jesus Christ and that Jesus was showing us how to harness an invisible force...owned by Almighty God, and was teaching us how to benefit from it whilst showing us that evil uses a knowledge that endorses what Jesus tells us, in an opposing way, and this is the reason the world is in such a state...even you might want to change the forum declaration you carry with you in every post.
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What on earth UFOs have to do with the long dead Jesus goodness only knows! Your imagination is incredible NM!
I will explain it to you Floo...if only to give you ammunition for another snipe at righteousness.
Jesus is not long dead...he is sitting at the right hand of his father, Almighty God, in Heaven, and, like you Floo, waiting for Judgement Day. His message is so accurate and so deep within the emotional structure of us all that, at the end of the day, the choices made will determine that Judgement for each and everyone of us.
Now, if 2000 years ago we were visited by a man who declared...'I am not of this world' we know in an instant that he was from a much more advanced society and you don't elect to be crucified for that society unless you believe deeply in their cause and we know from his statements, his sincerity, and his suffering, that Jesus believed implicitly in his father and in his father's righteous stance over all existence.
Read your Gospels again Floo and read into them a very advanced Jesus who had a full working knowledge of the physics and the emotions of all human beings, and, even knowing they would crucify him in the most atrocious way possible, he still went through it all so that we can be saved by the invisible and indestructible force he taught us about.
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I will explain it to you Floo...if only to give you ammunition for another snipe at righteousness.
Jesus is not long dead...he is sitting at the right hand of his father, Almighty God, in Heaven, and, like you Floo, waiting for Judgement Day. His message is so accurate and so deep within the emotional structure of us all that, at the end of the day, the choices made will determine that Judgement for each and everyone of us.
Now, if 2000 years ago we were visited by a man who declared...'I am not of this world' we know in an instant that he was from a much more advanced society and you don't elect to be crucified for that society unless you believe deeply in their cause and we know from his statements, his sincerity, and his suffering, that Jesus believed implicitly in his father and in his father's righteous stance over all existence.
Read your Gospels again Floo and read into them a very advanced Jesus who had a full working knowledge of the physics and the emotions of all human beings, and, even knowing they would crucify him in the most atrocious way possible, he still went through it all so that we can be saved by the invisible and indestructible force he taught us about.
There is NO evidence Jesus didn't die over 2000 years ago and stay dead. ::)
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There is NO evidence Jesus didn't die over 2000 years ago and stay dead. ::)
There is much evidence for me Floo because I read Jesus' word accurately and driven by the desire to find the truth went in and out with his proclamations until the science behind his truth reinforced what I suspected...being...and I've told you this many times...the entire mass of the universe is made by some strict spiritual laws, owned by Almighty God. Built from an invisible, superabundant and indestructible energy which can be harnessed by righteousness...through the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...and via this route our only threat is to lose the power and the strength of our inner righteous spirit cus we need it for any eventuality and the greatest eventuality we will need it for is a natural disaster which we are warned about in the scriptures and told how to prepare for its arrival...and it is down to the individual to read about that righteous science which will save us so that we can instruct those we love on how to be saved as well.
Of course this is an overview but Jesus, a very advanced authority being the son of Almighty God, himself, has the most accurate version...but like you Floo...people have listened to iniquity and have found or will find it a dangerous substitute for Jesus' accurate teaching.
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As I said there is NO evidence NM, the Bible cannot be regarded as evidence.
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As I said there is NO evidence NM, the Bible cannot be regarded as evidence.
Not for those with a closed mind Floo...but those who seek its benefits always seem to find them...This is the power of following a science of such a powerful force. Me...to my own satisfaction have unified all science into Jesus' teaching and there is no doubt in my mind that Jesus was teaching us a very advanced knowledge...a profound knowledge that, as yet, defies your understanding.
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Here we go again NM, bringing science into the equation has no more credibility now than when you first came up with it. ::)
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Here we go again NM, bringing science into the equation has no more credibility now than when you first came up with it. ::)
Unfortunately thr depth of knowledge to enable you to understand that science is beyond you Floo...No matter how simple I try to make it for you. If you can't see that an authority that can travel the length and breadth of the universe, just as the Holy Bible tells us, is much more advanced than you or I and that that advanced knowledge is built into Jesus' righteous teaching...who can save you from eternal damnation regardless of your own views on the matter??
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Unfortunately thr depth of knowledge to enable you to understand that science is beyond you Floo...No matter how simple I try to make it for you. If you can't see that an authority that can travel the length and breadth of the universe, just as the Holy Bible tells us, is much more advanced than you or I and that that advanced knowledge is built into Jesus' righteous teaching...who can save you from eternal damnation regardless of your own views on the matter??
NM it is obviously beyond you to understand the meaning of the word science, or you wouldn't use the word in the context in which you do. ::)
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NM it is obviously beyond you to understand the meaning of the word science, or you wouldn't use the word in the context in which you do. ::)
You are just trying to have the last word again Floo...well...you are welcome to it. Science is understanding the detail of reality and the Holy Bible proves that over and over again. It's sad that you...and many others can't grasp that reality because I wouldn't wish eternal damnation on anyone even though many deserve it
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Floo, just for information (no eggsucking lessons)
O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: (1 Tim 6:20)
Daniel 1:4 Children in whom [was] no blemish, but well favoured, and skilful in all wisdom, and cunning in knowledge, and understanding science, and such as [had] ability in them to stand in the king's palace, and whom they might teach the learning and the tongue of the Chaldeans
Both KJV
From Merriam-Webster
Definition of:
eschatology
ˌɛskəˈtɒlədʒi/Submit
noun
the part of theology concerned with death, judgement, and the final destiny of the soul and of humankind.
"Christian hope is concerned with eschatology, or the science of last things"
Science = gnosis or knowledge.
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You are just trying to have the last word again Floo...well...you are welcome to it. Science is understanding the detail of reality and the Holy Bible proves that over and over again. It's sad that you...and many others can't grasp that reality because I wouldn't wish eternal damnation on anyone even though many deserve it
Have you thought that if god does exist it might chuck you into the fires of hell for the garbage you spout in its name?
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Have you thought that if god does exist it might chuck you into the fires of hell for the garbage you spout in its name?
That's a risk I'm prepared to take Floo...but you are right...I have no guarantees except that Jesus did promise everlasting life to those who could harness his teaching accurately and that accurate teaching is at the root of everything I say.
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That's a risk I'm prepared to take Floo...but you are right...I have no guarantees except that Jesus did promise everlasting life to those who could harness his teaching accurately and that accurate teaching is at the root of everything I say.
Only in your opinion, I don't think many agree with you, or would Jesus if he was around today!
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Only in your opinion, I don't think many agree with you, or would Jesus if he was around today!
It doesn't matter how many agree with me Floo...it matters more on how many follow Jesus Christ accurately.
Some follow iniquity believing they are following Jesus...do you think these will be saved whilst those who have scrutinised his word and are following the good will and the good heart inspired by his accurate teaching will be snatched into a fiery lake of sulphur because non-believers such as yourself say so??
I rather fancy that believers whether iniquitous believers or faithful believers...unbelievers or those who know nothing about Jesus will be given a last chance and those who show their righteous ability to align themselves with righteousness will have the righteous strength to withstand the full force of the Judgement...after all we have been warned about it long enough...and Wormwood appears to be well on its way.