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General Category => Science and Technology => Topic started by: Gordon on October 12, 2016, 08:36:49 PM

Title: The Lost Tribes of Humanity.
Post by: Gordon on October 12, 2016, 08:36:49 PM
Horizon, BBC2 tonight at 9pm.

Alice Roberts on the use of genetics in the study of human origins - probably worth a watch.
Title: Re: The Lost Tribes of Humanity.
Post by: Udayana on October 13, 2016, 10:29:29 AM
I thought it was pretty good. Horizon seems to be slowly clawing it's way back to being watchable.

Really interesting that they are trying to identify introgression (when genes are reintroduced into the pool from a previously separated group) just from examining modern human DNA sequences, without fossil evidence.
Title: Re: The Lost Tribes of Humanity.
Post by: Anchorman on October 13, 2016, 10:38:03 AM
Agreed on both points. I'm pretty chuffed that Horizon is seemingly quitting the dumbed-down presentation which made it unwatchable - wheras in the seventies and eighties, it was virtually unmissable.
Title: Re: The Lost Tribes of Humanity.
Post by: Gordon on October 13, 2016, 10:41:39 AM
I thought it was pretty good. Horizon seems to be slowly clawing it's way back to being watchable.

Really interesting that they are trying to identify introgression (when genes are reintroduced into the pool from a previously separated group) just from examining modern human DNA sequences, without fossil evidence.

That was the point that I found most interesting too.

Bearing mind the timescales involved it makes you wonder how those who go for the 6,000 year old Earth or literal Adam & Eve stuff maintain their stance when it seems likely that many of us have a splash of other long-extinct human species in our DNA.

Tempted to check the cost of having the DNA test done myself to see just how much of a neanderthal I really am!
Title: Re: The Lost Tribes of Humanity.
Post by: Walt Zingmatilder on October 13, 2016, 11:55:12 AM

Tempted to check the cost of having the DNA test done myself to see just how much of a neanderthal I really am!
Ha Ha
Title: Re: The Lost Tribes of Humanity.
Post by: Enki on October 13, 2016, 03:28:59 PM
I thought it was pretty good. Horizon seems to be slowly clawing it's way back to being watchable.

Really interesting that they are trying to identify introgression (when genes are reintroduced into the pool from a previously separated group) just from examining modern human DNA sequences, without fossil evidence.

Yes, I found it interesting. Although the focus was on comparatively recent times, considerable work has also been done which seems to show that there were at least four other species of  hominins around at the same time as afarensis(Lucy). Did they too interract with each other?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-32906836
Title: Re: The Lost Tribes of Humanity.
Post by: floo on October 13, 2016, 03:36:46 PM
Horizon, BBC2 tonight at 9pm.

Alice Roberts on the use of genetics in the study of human origins - probably worth a watch.

We must watch it on the iplayer, if you think it is worth it. We had given up on Horizon as the programme seemed to have lost its way.
Title: Re: The Lost Tribes of Humanity.
Post by: Walt Zingmatilder on October 13, 2016, 03:44:13 PM
programme was quite enjoyable but missed out Adam and Eve and the Aquatic apeman or as we should refer to him since this was a science programme, Homo clubeighteentothirtyensis.
Title: Re: The Lost Tribes of Humanity.
Post by: Sebastian Toe on October 13, 2016, 03:52:29 PM
programme was quite enjoyable but missed out Adam and Eve and the Aquatic apeman or as we should refer to him since this was a science programme, Homo clubeighteentothirtyensis.
They also missed out Homo strawturdensis. One example is still believe to be living somewhere in England.  :-\
Title: Re: The Lost Tribes of Humanity.
Post by: Walt Zingmatilder on October 13, 2016, 04:03:47 PM
They also missed out Homo strawturdensis. One example is still believe to be living somewhere in England.  :-\
Living? I would call it more like existing.........,
Title: Re: The Lost Tribes of Humanity.
Post by: Walt Zingmatilder on October 13, 2016, 04:05:38 PM
They also missed out Homo strawturdensis. One example is still believe to be living somewhere in England.  :-\
Any relation to Recyclesoldjokesapithicus?
Title: Re: The Lost Tribes of Humanity.
Post by: Sebastian Toe on October 13, 2016, 07:48:05 PM
Any relation to Recyclesoldjokesapithicus?
theold ones are the best....
Title: Re: The Lost Tribes of Humanity.
Post by: floo on October 14, 2016, 08:56:38 AM
That was the point that I found most interesting too.

Bearing mind the timescales involved it makes you wonder how those who go for the 6,000 year old Earth or literal Adam & Eve stuff maintain their stance when it seems likely that many of us have a splash of other long-extinct human species in our DNA.

Tempted to check the cost of having the DNA test done myself to see just how much of a neanderthal I really am!

We watched it last night, on your recommendation, and found it very interesting. But did find it irritating that the woman presenter drew her timelines on the window, but seemed to have difficulty doing so!

As for Neanderthal DNA, I reckon some have more than others, like that guy Trump, 99.9%  in his case! ;D I think the usual DNA tests for paternity are in the region of £600, but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: The Lost Tribes of Humanity.
Post by: Gordon on October 14, 2016, 08:59:43 AM
We watched it last night, on your recommendation, and found it very interesting. But did find it irritating that the woman presenter drew her timelines on the window, but seemed to have difficulty doing so!

As for Neanderthal DNA, I reckon some have more than others, like that guy Trump, 99.9%  in his case! ;D I think the usual DNA tests for paternity are in the region of £600, but I could be wrong.

This is perhaps the best known provider of DNA testing - £149.

https://www.23andme.com/en-gb/
Title: Re: The Lost Tribes of Humanity.
Post by: Anchorman on October 14, 2016, 09:04:26 AM
We watched it last night, on your recommendation, and found it very interesting. But did find it irritating that the woman presenter drew her timelines on the window, but seemed to have difficulty doing so!

As for Neanderthal DNA, I reckon some have more than others, like that guy Trump, 99.9%  in his case! ;D I think the usual DNA tests for paternity are in the region of £600, but I could be wrong.





Floo;
You do know that Neanderthals had a similar - or even larger - cranium than homo sapiens at that time, used a multitude of tools, were culturally aware and may even have produced votive or symbolic 'art'?
Wheras the 'Tangerine nightmare'......er.......
Title: Re: The Lost Tribes of Humanity.
Post by: Harrowby Hall on October 14, 2016, 09:40:27 AM


As for Neanderthal DNA, I reckon some have more than others, like that guy Trump, 99.9%  in his case!

If I were a Neanderthal, I would find that that very insulting!
Title: Re: The Lost Tribes of Humanity.
Post by: floo on October 14, 2016, 12:09:05 PM
If I were a Neanderthal, I would find that that very insulting!

Oh dear you are right, I offer my abject apologies to all Neanderthals, for insulting them so badly! :-[
Title: Re: The Lost Tribes of Humanity.
Post by: ad_orientem on October 14, 2016, 12:16:07 PM
This is perhaps the best known provider of DNA testing - £149.

https://www.23andme.com/en-gb/

It is good. I've used it mostly to know more about my father's side of the family.