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Religion and Ethics Discussion => Christian Topic => Topic started by: NicholasMarks on December 03, 2016, 06:19:52 PM
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In Revelation we are told of the number of the beast…being, 666. It is the number of a man, and many Biblical scholars have tried to understand what is meant here. Me to…I have pondered this one and have come up with an answer.
Isaiah is a man and in Isaiah we find a description of all evil receiving their Judgement....
Isaiah 66:6 (KJV)
6 A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the Lord that rendereth recompence to his enemies.
Are we being told here that those who join together in an oppressive philosophy, in opposition to Almighty God and Jesus Christ, will, in the last days, become that beast, and will all suffer the same fate…even though their number include many nationalities and many different guises…they each have the same philosophy.
Even more reason to check out our own thoughts and actions and align them with Jesus’ accurate teaching.
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I trust you are not using Is 66:6 simply because of the numbering, NM? The chapters and verse notation would have been unknown in either Old or New Testament times, being an early medieval addition to Scripture for convenient reference.
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For light relief, here is a little ditty composed and sung by His Holiness the Parson of the Presbylutheran Church:
Regurgitated by Satan, He couldn't keep it dow.n Old 666, he got sick, sick, sick And that's how volcanoes were born.
(From The Simpsons)
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I trust you are not using Is 66:6 simply because of the numbering, NM? The chapters and verse notation would have been unknown in either Old or New Testament times, being an early medieval addition to Scripture for convenient reference.
It seems you have broken my reasoning Anchorman...except that I'm not convinced because Biblical teaching is usually correct at the appropriate time and I suggest that now is that appropriate time.
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In Revelation we are told of the number of the beast…being, 666. It is the number of a man, and many Biblical scholars have tried to understand what is meant here. Me to…I have pondered this one and have come up with an answer.
Isaiah is a man and in Isaiah we find a description of all evil receiving their Judgement....
Isaiah 66:6 (KJV)
6 A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the Lord that rendereth recompence to his enemies.
Are we being told here that those who join together in an oppressive philosophy, in opposition to Almighty God and Jesus Christ, will, in the last days, become that beast, and will all suffer the same fate…even though their number include many nationalities and many different guises…they each have the same philosophy.
Even more reason to check out our own thoughts and actions and align them with Jesus’ accurate teaching.
It could be that that is a reasonable explanation, NM, but then (as Jim has already pointed out) the 66:6 reference notation for this verse would have had no meaning for those of the time.
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It seems you have broken my reasoning Anchorman...except that I'm not convinced because Biblical teaching is usually correct at the appropriate time and I suggest that now is that appropriate time.
Again, you are correct - to a degree. I'd suggest that - as Biblical teaching is relevant to any point in time - any time is appropriate.
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It could be that that is a reasonable explanation, NM, but then (as Jim has already pointed out) the 66:6 reference notation for this verse would have had no meaning for those of the time.
Thank you for that Hope...I refer you to my response above to Anchorman as it is the only defense I have. But in addition we must realise that it is Almighty God we are talking about and his wonderful son Jesus Christ who have an uncanny knowledge of future events not the least being the approach of Wormwood and the devastation it will cause...and...if I may...the wonderful hope for our future...if we follow Jesus accurately.
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Thank you for that Hope...I refer you to my response above to Anchorman as it is the only defense I have. But in addition we must realise that it is Almighty God we are talking about and his wonderful son Jesus Christ who have an uncanny knowledge of future events not the least being the approach of Wormwood and the devastation it will cause...and...if I may...the wonderful hope for our future...if we follow Jesus accurately.
I think you will find that the possibility of such devastation is made pretty clear in books of the Old Testament. Incidentally, the other form of the name in Revelation is Apsinthos (I wonder whether the term 'absinthe' comes from this?)
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I think you will find that the possibility of such devastation is made pretty clear in books of the Old Testament. Incidentally, the other form of the name in Revelation is Apsinthos (I wonder whether the term 'absinthe' comes from this?)
I think I get your drift there Hope...but Revelation, to me, means quite the opposite...the opening up of the eyes...the mind....and the truth of Almighty God, about future events and what's in store for us all. We don't have to look too hard to find the many images revealed in Revelation have some powerful manifestations in this day and age...which...like 666...couldn't really be understood till now.
Almost as if the modern version of this truth had been written in a scroll to be revealed at the appointed time.
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Hope I found this in Wiki: The French word absinthe can refer either to the alcoholic beverage or, less commonly, to the actual wormwood plant, with grande absinthe being Artemisia absinthium, and petite absinthe being Artemisia pontica. The Latin name artemisia comes from Artemis, the ancient Greek goddess of the hunt. Absinthe is derived from the Latin absinthium, which in turn comes from the ancient Greek ἀψίνθιον apsínthion, "wormwood".[9] The use of Artemisia absinthium in a drink is attested in Lucretius' De Rerum Natura (I 936–950), where Lucretius indicates that a drink containing wormwood is given as medicine to children in a cup with honey on the brim to make it drinkable.
Wormwood mentioned a lot.
Before Nicholas, the only Wormwood I'd ever heard of was the Scrubs!
Wormwood: a state or source of bitterness or grief.
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Hope I found this in Wiki: The French word absinthe can refer either to the alcoholic beverage or, less commonly, to the actual wormwood plant, with grande absinthe being Artemisia absinthium, and petite absinthe being Artemisia pontica. The Latin name artemisia comes from Artemis, the ancient Greek goddess of the hunt. Absinthe is derived from the Latin absinthium, which in turn comes from the ancient Greek ἀψίνθιον apsínthion, "wormwood".[9] The use of Artemisia absinthium in a drink is attested in Lucretius' De Rerum Natura (I 936–950), where Lucretius indicates that a drink containing wormwood is given as medicine to children in a cup with honey on the brim to make it drinkable.
Wormwood mentioned a lot.
Before Nicholas, the only Wormwood I'd ever heard of was the Scrubs!
Wormwood: a state or source of bitterness or grief.
Thanks for that Brownie...most informative.
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Thanks to you, Nicholas! I have learned a lot from researching some of what you post.
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Clearly it refers to Steve Harris (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6J-MO5OhINI)
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The book of Revelation is great for extreme Christians with a very vivid imagination, as it can be interpreted to mean anything they wish, however daft. ::)
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The book of Revelation is great for extreme Christians with a very vivid imagination, as it can be interpreted to mean anything they wish, however daft. ::)
The book of Revelation is great for extreme Christians with a very vivid imagination, as it can be interpreted to mean anything they wish, however daft. ::)
Sorry, floo, I disagree. I'm not your definition of an extreme Christian. However I value Revelation for many reasons, and have used it many times for personal study, and preached bits of it as well. Admittedly the apocalyptic language may seem daunting; in this it was following typical Jewish apocalyptic works of the preceding centuries. However there is much in Revelation that indicates contemporary thought - and the situation facing the Church at the end of the first century, couched in 'coded' language for obvious reasons. That the end-time eschatology is mixed up there, sometimes randomly, makes study even more difficult, nevertheless study in the light of the history of the time in which the book was written is theologically speaking, valuable.
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Are you a 666er or a 616er? I believe that according to a newly discovered fragment of the oldest surviving copy of the New Testament, the number is 616.
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Are you a 666er or a 616er? I believe that according to a newly discovered fragment of the oldest surviving copy of the New Testament, the number is 616.
Are you speaking of the fragment discovered in Roman Egypt?
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Are you speaking of the fragment discovered in Roman Egypt?
A quote from a report:
"The new fragment from the Book of Revelation, written in ancient Greek and dating from the late third century, is part of a hoard of previously unintelligible manuscripts discovered in historic dumps outside Oxyrhynchus in Egypt. Now a team of expert classicists, using new photographic techniques, are finally deciphering the original writing."
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Sorry, floo, I disagree. I'm not your definition of an extreme Christian. However I value Revelation for many reasons, and have used it many times for personal study, and preached bits of it as well. Admittedly the apocalyptic language may seem daunting; in this it was following typical Jewish apocalyptic works of the preceding centuries. However there is much in Revelation that indicates contemporary thought - and the situation facing the Church at the end of the first century, couched in 'coded' language for obvious reasons. That the end-time eschatology is mixed up there, sometimes randomly, makes study even more difficult, nevertheless study in the light of the history of the time in which the book was written is theologically speaking, valuable.
It is a great pity Revelation was ever included in the Bible, it nearly didn't make it. The end times garbage it supposedly predicts has been used as a threat in order to get people to convert, which is so wrong as there is no evidence to substantiate it. Jesus appeared to suggest it would happen in the life time of his disciples, if he couldn't get it right no one can.
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It is a great pity Revelation was ever included in the Bible, it nearly didn't make it. The end times garbage it supposedly predicts has been used as a threat in order to get people to convert
For a modern secular apocalyptic check this out.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/25/13-crises-we-face-trump-soil-loss-global-collapse
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For a modern secular apocalyptic check this out.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/25/13-crises-we-face-trump-soil-loss-global-collapse
Throughout history there have apocalyptic events, but so far we have survived them. Eventually the world will end of course, but nothing to do with any god or second coming, imo.
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A quote from a report:
"The new fragment from the Book of Revelation, written in ancient Greek and dating from the late third century, is part of a hoard of previously unintelligible manuscripts discovered in historic dumps outside Oxyrhynchus in Egypt. Now a team of expert classicists, using new photographic techniques, are finally deciphering the original writing."
Perhaps they will be able to tell us what is written in that little scroll...eaten by John, and which, in his mouth, it was sweet, but in his belly exceedingly bitter...then sealed till the appointed time...the time of the end and which will prove that Almighty God has been monitoring us all along and knows exactly who are Jesus' faithful and who are following Satan's philosophy so that God's Judgement can be administered fairly...because the sentence is frightening.
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Thanks to you, Nicholas! I have learned a lot from researching some of what you post.
Thanks Brownie...but please remember I write from inspiration and knowledge gleaned from Biblical instruction and give all credit to Jesus and his father...but remember...con men can say the same and be totally convincing until they've had all your money so always be guarded.
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Thanks Brownie...but please remember I write from inspiration and knowledge gleaned from Biblical instruction and give all credit to Jesus and his father...but remember...con men can say the same and be totally convincing until they've had all your money so always be guarded.
Maybe the 'inspiration and knowledge' you have gleaned from the Bible is all a big con, as you have found it totalling convincing? ;D
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Maybe the 'inspiration and knowledge' you have gleaned from the Bible is all a big con, as you have found it totalling convincing? ;D
Are you getting your insight and inspiration from that philosophy and teaching encapsulated by that number 666 Floo because if you aren't you are giving a good impression to the contrary.
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Thanks Brownie...but please remember I write from inspiration and knowledge gleaned from Biblical instruction and give all credit to Jesus and his father...but remember...con men can say the same and be totally convincing until they've had all your money so always be guarded.
Never mind Nick. You always remind me of a con man - just not a very good one!
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Never mind Nick. You always remind me of a con man - just not a very good one!
I'm so good Seb I can do it without making a single penny out of it...and truth is the by-word of my conning. But, unfortunately, those that suffer from my cons are hopefully going to live forever whilst those who see through my con will have an eternity of regret.
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Throughout history there have apocalyptic events, but so far we have survived them. Eventually the world will end of course, but nothing to do with any god or second coming, imo.
I think the point is is the drastic, global events of the biblical apocalypse is now mirrored in a secular humanist understanding of just what can go wrong.
Monbiot's 'apocalypse' is not a million miles of the biblical one including immensely powerful influential individuals and environmental disaster. Individual countries have experienced apocalyptic conditions but now it is global.
I notice though that you have moved from apocalypses being 'rubbish' to 'apocalyptic events all the time''.
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I believe that 666 stands for the World Wide Web (WWW). In numerology, the value for the letter W is 6. So...maybe we all are working with the devil all the time.
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Are you getting your insight and inspiration from that philosophy and teaching encapsulated by that number 666 Floo because if you aren't you are giving a good impression to the contrary.
Ehhhhhhhhhh?
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I think the point is is the drastic, global events of the biblical apocalypse is now mirrored in a secular humanist understanding of just what can go wrong.
Monbiot's 'apocalypse' is not a million miles of the biblical one including immensely powerful influential individuals and environmental disaster. Individual countries have experienced apocalyptic conditions but now it is global.
I notice though that you have moved from apocalypses being 'rubbish' to 'apocalyptic events all the time''.
If we take our lead from the Holy Bible...we are warned accurately what will happen in the end times...but this is the beauty of that teaching...those who have lived according to righteous teaching have a protection built in for all possible events...even having our heads chopped off...This is how we know that resurrection is a true and reliable method for us too, if and when necessary.
It's all telling us that a righteous spirit is invaluable for any eventuality. Those that can't be bothered will have to content themselves with whatever happens but it is well known that some will be very hostile towards common decency...their trick is to wind people up into a raging hysteria where as Jesus wants to wind us down, even under extreme distress...because then he can work with us.
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If we take our lead from the Holy Bible...we are warned accurately what will happen in the end times...but this is the beauty of that teaching...those who have lived according to righteous teaching have a protection built in for all possible events...even having our heads chopped off...This is how we know that resurrection is a true and reliable method for us too, if and when necessary.
It's all telling us that a righteous spirit is invaluable for any eventuality. Those that can't be bothered will have to content themselves with whatever happens but it is well known that some will be very hostile towards common decency...their trick is to wind people up into a raging hysteria where as Jesus wants to wind us down, even under extreme distress...because then he can work with us.
But it could all be a con!
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I think the point is is the drastic, global events of the biblical apocalypse is now mirrored in a secular humanist understanding of just what can go wrong.
Monbiot's 'apocalypse' is not a million miles of the biblical one including immensely powerful influential individuals and environmental disaster. Individual countries have experienced apocalyptic conditions but now it is global.
I notice though that you have moved from apocalypses being 'rubbish' to 'apocalyptic events all the time''.
Have you been listening to Nick?
Obviously not!
If you had then you would know for a fact that the end is going to come with a passing star system/planet which will cause untold mayhem.
Please pay attention in future.
P.s. it is all going to happen 'soon' as we are the 'last generation'.
Unless you think that Nick is wrong. Do you?
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Have you been listening to Nick?
Obviously not!
If you had then you would know for a fact that the end is going to come with a passing star system/planet which will cause untold mayhem.
Please pay attention in future.
P.s. it is all going to happen 'soon' as we are the 'last generation'.
Unless you think that Nick is wrong. Do you?
Your gift for sarcasm doesn't improve with age Seb...but even if I try to save you I might perhaps gain accreditation for myself, even knowing I will probably fail...you see...
The universe is made from an invisible, indestructible, superabundant energy and used in the correct way we can harness that energy for our own everlasting life.
Now, no one knows the hour or the day but there are signs and I am picking up on those signs...but...even if I am wrong you still need to harness that energy otherwise your health will likely fail...you will be easy pickings for every con merchant...and you will have booked a place where you would rather never be...It's up to you...not by reading what I write...
Not without comparing it against the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...anyway.
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Floo, you might like this. I couldn't get the videos to play but I did read the text which sums up my theory about 666.
http://www.sciencealert.com/watch-the-secret-meaning-behind-the-devil-s-number-666
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Your gift for sarcasm doesn't improve with age Seb...but even if I try to save you I might perhaps gain accreditation for myself, even knowing I will probably fail...you see...
The universe is made from an invisible, indestructible, superabundant energy and used in the correct way we can harness that energy for our own everlasting life.
Now, no one knows the hour or the day but there are signs and I am picking up on those signs...but...even if I am wrong you still need to harness that energy otherwise your health will likely fail...you will be easy pickings for every con merchant...and you will have booked a place where you would rather never be...It's up to you...not by reading what I write...
Not without comparing it against the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...anyway.
I realise it is pointless asking you this question, but how do you know that what Jesus is supposed to have said was accurate, or even said by him? As it was written down years after he died a lot of spin could have been put on it. And before you say eye witnesses reported what he said, I will ask have you ever played Chinese whispers, when the sentence quoted at the end of the line is usually nothing like the original one?
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But it could all be a con!
It helps when you have built a science that doesn't conflict with modern science and doesn't conflict with the Holy Bible either...but it was hard work and lets face it, it is you lot who are falling for all the con-artists who are ruining lives...yet people still can't see through them.
Their days are numbered.
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It helps when you have built a science that doesn't conflict with modern science and doesn't conflict with the Holy Bible either...but it was hard work and lets face it, it is you lot who are falling for all the con-artists who are ruining lives...yet people still can't see through them.
Their days are numbered.
Maybe you are the con-artist! Using the word science to describe your take on matters of faith is a con as it has nothing to do with real science. You state as fact things which make might sense to you, but in reality are without any evidence to support them.
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Floo, you might like this. I couldn't get the videos to play but I did read the text which sums up my theory about 666.
http://www.sciencealert.com/watch-the-secret-meaning-behind-the-devil-s-number-666
Thanks for that Brownie...very interesting and it all links up with what I am saying because the Roman Empire ruled by bullying...imagecraft...and that is the same philosophy I am talking about which has oppressed many people right up to this day and age and is now summoning all its adherents under the same shield which Jesus describes as the beast with the number 666.
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Thanks for that Brownie...very interesting and it all links up with what I am saying because the Roman Empire ruled by bullying...imagecraft...and that is the same philosophy I am talking about which has oppressed many people right up to this day and age and us now summoning all its adherents under the same shield which Jesus describes as the beast with the number 666.
Would you describe those who challenge your posts as being bullies? One could think you are the bully because you are always threatening those who don't see it your way with hell and damnation, without any evidence to support such a claim! ::)
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Maybe you are the con-artist! Using the word science to describe your take on matters of faith is a con as it has nothing to do with real science. You state as fact things which make might sense to you, but in reality are without any evidence to support them.
Here is my first con Floo...that the invisible things of God are seen by those things that are visible...so you now include Paul as a co-conspirator...except modern science is now beginning to realise the same thing...but I'm afraid Almighty God got there first.
What a con!!
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Here is my first con Floo...that the invisible things of God are seen by those things that are visible...so you now include Paul as a co-conspirator...except modern science is now beginning to realise the same thing...but I'm afraid Almighty God got there first.
What a con!!
Another assertion without evidence. ::)
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A quote from a report: "The new fragment from the Book of Revelation, written in ancient Greek and dating from the late third century, is part of a hoard of previously unintelligible manuscripts discovered in historic dumps outside Oxyrhynchus in Egypt. Now a team of expert classicists, using new photographic techniques, are finally deciphering the original writing."
Yep; part of a rich seam of third century and later papyri. This seems to have formed a library of a Gnostic sect, judging by the amount of very spurious documents found there - not that I necessarikly discount the 616 reference - I don't; but until we have several examples of the same number being used, I'd still be a little cautious. Mind you, Egypt's a great source for early material - in fact the earliest fragment of a Gospel which we now have can be found reused as cartonage (papier mache) on a coffin mask dating to around 90 AD. Not bad for recycling! http://www.livescience.com/49489-oldest-known-gospel-mummy-mask.html
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Thanks for that Brownie...very interesting and it all links up with what I am saying because the Roman Empire ruled by bullying...imagecraft...and that is the same philosophy I am talking about which has oppressed many people right up to this day and age and is now summoning all its adherents under the same shield which Jesus describes as the beast with the number 666.
The Roman Empire, NM, was like every other empire in history. To say that it ruled by bullying would be simplistic in the extreme. Yes, provinces rebelled at times - just as they did in British or French Empire times - and, just as those powers did, the rebellions were brutally suppressed. That's what empires do, after all,. But for most provinces in first -third century Rome, the pax Romana meant relative stability, prosperity and peace in a world which was conspicuously lacking all three. I'm no apologist for Rome - far from it - but your statement was over-generallised and historically wrong.
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The Roman Empire, NM, was like every other empire in history. To say that it ruled by bullying would be simplistic in the extreme. Yes, provinces rebelled at times - just as they did in British or French Empire times - and, just as those powers did, the rebellions were brutally suppressed. That's what empires do, after all,. But for most provinces in first -third century Rome, the pax Romana meant relative stability, prosperity and peace in a world which was conspicuously lacking all three. I'm no apologist for Rome - far from it - but your statement was over-generallised and historically wrong.
The Roman Empire might meet your criteria of a good system, Anchorman, but obviously not for those following Jesus Christ. You see...too many people following a teaching of caring and good order threatened the stability of the ones winding up the masses by fear and threats...the fear held all the people together feeding the wealth, privilege and domination that oppression thrives on.
The problem here is that oppression cripples thought, health, and good order, and Jesus wanted to tell those who were following righteousness that they could have another, righteous string, to their bow...a string that is attached to reality at one end and resurrection at the other...and the frequency that this string resonates at is health, repair, good order, and everlasting life...just by following Jesus Christ accurately.
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NM reality and you appear to be an oxymoron where matters of faith are concerned. I wish you would post on some secular topics, it would be interesting to get your POV on them.
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Another assertion without evidence. ::)
Well...Floo...Paul felt certain of this fact to state it and state it knowing it could get him slaughtered because anyone showing and teaching righteousness were on the hit list.
This is how you can be certain of what the Holy Bible, especially the NT says because those who taught it were under severe threat, but, even that threat is obviously less fearful than the continual, constant, never ending, fear, torment, and death that oppression thrives on...especially in knowing, by following Jesus, there is a wonderful way out...and for the most part it is geared by emotional, spiritual, and prayerful control.
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Well...Floo...Paul felt certain of this fact to state it and state it knowing it could get him slaughtered because anyone showing and teaching righteousness were on the hit list.
This is how you can be certain of what the Holy Bible, especially the NT says because those who taught it were under severe threat, but, even that threat is obviously less fearful than the continual, constant, never ending, fear, torment, and death that oppression thrives on...especially in knowing, by following Jesus, there is a wonderful way out...and for the most part it is geared by emotional, spiritual, and prayerful control.
What Paul thought had no more veracity than what you think on the matters of faith, as he had no verifiable evidence either.
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Well...Floo...Paul felt certain of this fact to state it and state it knowing it could get him slaughtered because anyone showing and teaching righteousness were on the hit list.
This is how you can be certain of what the Holy Bible, especially the NT says because those who taught it were under severe threat, but, even that threat is obviously less fearful than the continual, constant, never ending, fear, torment, and death that oppression thrives on...especially in knowing, by following Jesus, there is a wonderful way out...and for the most part it is geared by emotional, spiritual, and prayerful control.
Nick, you have written this: 'Well...Floo...Paul felt certain of this fact'.
Please tell me how you have come to know how Paul felt about this fact, or any other kind of fact?
You can't have been there to ask him so how can you or anyone else possibly know for certain?
Try to answer without using the bible to prove the bible, you must know it would be silly to do so.
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Don't tell him Nicholas. His name adds up to 66 and is therefore a little beast.
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Don't tell him Nicholas. His name adds up to 66 and is therefore a little beast.
There are many things I could tell you all but you just aren't receptive. ..so it will just have to wait...after all it is only those who are saved who need to know and clearly many here don't wish to be saved. But that doesn't alter Almighty God's and Jesus' stance to save as many as can be.
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Don't tell him Nicholas. His name adds up to 66 and is therefore a little beast.
:P.
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There are many things I could tell you all but you just aren't receptive. ..so it will just have to wait...after all it is only those who are saved who need to know and clearly many here don't wish to be saved. But that doesn't alter Almighty God's and Jesus' stance to save as many as can be.
Without the luxury of knowing Paul's innermost thoughts, one way or the other, the same as you Nick, I would like to know how you have come to think you know so much?
Any reply Nick, remember making any attempt use the bible to prove the bible is silly whichever camp you like to place yourself in.
ippy
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Without the luxury of knowing Paul's innermost thoughts, one way or the other, the same as you Nick, I would like to know how you have come to think you know so much?
Any reply Nick, remember making any attempt use the bible to prove the bible is silly whichever camp you like to place yourself in.
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Anything I say will be twisted and turned into something to suit you ippy and anyway why should I even try to meet your criteria when I have my own??...The fact remains that you must align yourself with accurate righteous teaching to be saved but clearly you don't want to.
When I learnt the scientific fact that behind all existence is an electric/spiritual force that is identified in the Holy Bible, and now science, I began realising more and more about science and the many different things that handicap modern science from telling us how things truly work...and it's all about prestige, greed and false authority over Almighty God.
The Holy Bible by-passes those problems.
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There are many things I could tell you all but you just aren't receptive. ..so it will just have to wait...after all it is only those who are saved who need to know and clearly many here don't wish to be saved. But that doesn't alter Almighty God's and Jesus' stance to save as many as can be.
I did the 'saved' bit when I was 11, and was even devout for a while, until I started seriously question my faith and I realised it had no credibility.
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Anything I say will be twisted and turned into something to suit you ippy and anyway why should I even try to meet your criteria when I have my own??...The fact remains that you must align yourself with accurate righteous teaching to be saved but clearly you don't want to.
When I learnt the scientific fact that behind all existence is an electric/spiritual force that is identified in the Holy Bible, and now science, I began realising more and more about science and the many different things that handicap modern science from telling us how things truly work...and it's all about prestige, greed and false authority over Almighty God.
The Holy Bible by-passes those problems.
No need to twist anything Nick, just a straight answer to my previous post number 52 on this thread will do.
What's the problem Nick? I'm not asking anything other than a straight answer, minus another sermon, that would be nice?
There's no trick question involved, apologies if I have given you that impression.
My reference to not using the bible to prove the bible doesn't involve any twisting you in any way Nick, it's rather obvious to anyone that using the bible to substantiate the magical, mystical and superstition based parts of the bible is an extremely silly thing to do.
ippy
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I did the 'saved' bit when I was 11, and was even devout for a while, until I started seriously question my faith and I realised it had no credibility.
Eleven is a little young to even begin to understand the depths of oppression and how many people are led down that road of despair at the whim of a handful of people who behave like cancer-cells rather than human beings. This is where I get my analogy with the cancer-cell and how our own bullying inflicts injury on our own genetics in the same way that oppressors inflict terrible health problems on the unsuspecting normal population...but you need the guidance and support of accurate righteous teaching to even begin to understand it. But there is no need to understand it because the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ does that for you.
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No need to twist anything Nick, just a straight answer to my previous post number 52 on this thread will do.
What's the problem Nick? I'm not asking anything other than a straight answer, minus another sermon, that would be nice?
There's no trick question involved, apologies if I have given you that impression.
My reference to not using the bible to prove the bible doesn't involve any twisting you in any way Nick, it's rather obvious to anyone that using the bible to substantiate the magical, mystical and superstition based parts of the bible is an extremely silly thing to do.
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Clearly it isn't obvious to you ippy that I have already answered you many times even in my last post but you aren't reading them or are just ill-equipped to understand plain speaking.
I need no further proof other than to point out to you that trying to wind up a circular argument is very stressful for you just as screaming and shouting at football matches is and the net outcome is that that hysteria passes to our genetics which also start behaving wildly, kicking out at the good order of other surrounding healthier cells without any genetic interest in rest of the body...we call this cancer but I see it as electric/nervous/spiritual oppression...hysterical body cells...which is why the Jews looked so down-trodden when cancerous oppressors took it upon themselves to eliminate their species.
Where did I get all this from??...The Holy Bible, of course...and in particular the Gospels.
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The Roman Empire might meet your criteria of a good system, Anchorman, but obviously not for those following Jesus Christ. You see...too many people following a teaching of caring and good order threatened the stability of the ones winding up the masses by fear and threats...the fear held all the people together feeding the wealth, privilege and domination that oppression thrives on.
The problem here is that oppression cripples thought, health, and good order, and Jesus wanted to tell those who were following righteousness that they could have another, righteous string, to their bow...a string that is attached to reality at one end and resurrection at the other...and the frequency that this string resonates at is health, repair, good order, and everlasting life...just by following Jesus Christ accurately.
The Roman Empire might meet your criteria of a good system, Anchorman, but obviously not for those following Jesus Christ. You see...too many people following a teaching of caring and good order threatened the stability of the ones winding up the masses by fear and threats...the fear held all the people together feeding the wealth, privilege and domination that oppression thrives on.
The problem here is that oppression cripples thought, health, and good order, and Jesus wanted to tell those who were following righteousness that they could have another, righteous string, to their bow...a string that is attached to reality at one end and resurrection at the other...and the frequency that this string resonates at is health, repair, good order, and everlasting life...just by following Jesus Christ accurately.
Hang on.
Where did I say that the Roman Empire was a good system, NM?
I simply stated that you were wrong in suggesting that it was administered by 'bullies'. The Roman system was an empire: it worked by administrators, governors and soldiers, most born outside Italy itself, governing a vast swathe of territory.
For the most part, those territories were willing participants, pacified and prospering under Imperial governance.
That is not approval or disapproval, neither is it theory or theology, simply historical fact.
We may pass the judgement of history on the system from our perspective, but from a real stand point, the indisputable fact is that, for the most part, the Pax Romana in first-third century Rome worked.
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Clearly it isn't obvious to you ippy that I have already answered you many times even in my last post but you aren't reading them or are just ill-equipped to understand plain speaking.
I need no further proof other than to point out to you that trying to wind up a circular argument is very stressful for you just as screaming and shouting at football matches is and the net outcome is that that hysteria passes to our genetics which also start behaving wildly, kicking out at the good order of other surrounding healthier cells without any genetic interest in rest of the body...we call this cancer but I see it as electric/nervous/spiritual oppression...hysterical body cells...which is why the Jews looked so down-trodden when cancerous oppressors took it upon themselves to eliminate their species.
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Where did I get all this from??...The Holy Bible, of course...and in particular the Gospels.
Yes you did get all of it from the, as you call it the holy bible, that's where you are impenertratable, you're suffering with an extreem form of biblical myopia; that's fine now lets put that bit to one side.
All I would like to know is where have you managed to get the information from that has so convinced you that this superstition based book is a part of reality, the only thing you have offered is, more or less, sayings and references that you seem to think come from this bible of yours.
Even the theists on this forum wonder where a lot of the stuff you say comes from the bible, can be located in your book.
I'm ok with you thinking I don't understand the verifiable evidence that could prove your bible is in fact a part of reality, if it gets it off your chest fire away at me with both barrels I really don't mind, however I have understood most of your posts to date, some of the far out electric bits are a bit confusing but I have got the general gist of the most parts of your confused sermons.
Right, now try to explain this verifiable evidence you say you have, once you've done it, circle broken, there it's all in your hands now.
As soon as I've checked this verifiable evidence and can see you've got it right, I'll no longer be an atheist, I'll have to join you; I've no choice if your evidence is in fact verifiable.
Kind regards ippy
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Hang on.
Where did I say that the Roman Empire was a good system, NM?
I simply stated that you were wrong in suggesting that it was administered by 'bullies'. The Roman system was an empire: it worked by administrators, governors and soldiers, most born outside Italy itself, governing a vast swathe of territory.
For the most part, those territories were willing participants, pacified and prospering under Imperial governance.
That is not approval or disapproval, neither is it theory or theology, simply historical fact.
We may pass the judgement of history on the system from our perspective, but from a real stand point, the indisputable fact is that, for the most part, the Pax Romana in first-third century Rome worked.
You've just said it again Anchorman. You are condoning a system that wrote its own history.
I agree that many systems took their lead from it...that is why the world is in such a state today. Almighty God and Jesus weren't fooled...they knew that all these regimes were built upon the oppression, many deaths, and keeping of the common mass under the boot...then wrote pretty things about themselves.
You may have noticed that when Jesus appeared on the scene and gave a little spiritual comfort to the masses they gathered in great numbers to align with his comfort and kind words telling us just how deep and unpleasant the oppression was...this is why the followers of Jesus and Jesus himself had to go. It's a bit like the Mafia. Aggression, a few deaths, and the leader becomes a figure-head that must be obeyed. Hitler did a good imitation as well...and I can identify a few others. So...let's cut to the chase...Jesus died showing us a wonderful way of life that will still exist even after the great tribulations but the image-craft of creating fear and hysterical mindlessness will leave aboard the fiery lake of sulphur and we will all be able to enjoy righteousness which includes repair, resurrection and everlasting life. Hysterical control will be a thing of the past...even if ippy, and many others, seem to prefer it.
Don't blame me...blame Almighty God.
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You've just said it again Anchorman. You are condoning a system that wrote its own history.
I agree that many systems took their lead from it...that is why the world is in such a state today. Almighty God and Jesus weren't fooled...they knew that all these regimes were built upon the oppression, many deaths, and keeping of the common mass under the boot...then wrote pretty things about themselves.
You may have noticed that when Jesus appeared on the scene and gave a little spiritual comfort to the masses they gathered in great numbers to align with his comfort and kind words telling us just how deep and unpleasant the oppression was...this is why the followers of Jesus and Jesus himself had to go. It's a bit like the Mafia. Aggression, a few deaths, and the leader becomes a figure-head that must be obeyed. Hitler did a good imitation as well...and I can identify a few others. So...let's cut to the chase...Jesus died showing us a wonderful way of life that will still exist even after the great tribulations but the image-craft of creating fear and hysterical mindlessness will leave aboard the fiery lake of sulphur and we will all be able to enjoy righteousness which includes repair, resurrection and everlasting life. Hysterical control will be a thing of the past...even if ippy, and many others, seem to prefer it.
Don't blame me...blame Almighty God.
I'll have to hand it to you Nick, you've got a vivid imagination.
ippy
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NM reality and you appear to be an oxymoron where matters of faith are concerned.
Floo, Nicholas said: ..." oppression cripples thought, health, and good order".
Do you not agree with that, at least?
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Eleven is a little young to even begin to understand the depths of oppression and how many people are led down that road of despair at the whim of a handful of people who behave like cancer-cells rather than human beings. This is where I get my analogy with the cancer-cell and how our own bullying inflicts injury on our own genetics in the same way that oppressors inflict terrible health problems on the unsuspecting normal population...but you need the guidance and support of accurate righteous teaching to even begin to understand it. But there is no need to understand it because the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ does that for you.
Goodness knows what the long dead Jesus and what he is quoted as saying has anything to do with health problems is well beyond me! ::)
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You've just said it again Anchorman. You are condoning a system that wrote its own history.
I agree that many systems took their lead from it...that is why the world is in such a state today. Almighty God and Jesus weren't fooled...they knew that all these regimes were built upon the oppression, many deaths, and keeping of the common mass under the boot...then wrote pretty things about themselves.
You may have noticed that when Jesus appeared on the scene and gave a little spiritual comfort to the masses they gathered in great numbers to align with his comfort and kind words telling us just how deep and unpleasant the oppression was...this is why the followers of Jesus and Jesus himself had to go. It's a bit like the Mafia. Aggression, a few deaths, and the leader becomes a figure-head that must be obeyed. Hitler did a good imitation as well...and I can identify a few others. So...let's cut to the chase...Jesus died showing us a wonderful way of life that will still exist even after the great tribulations but the image-craft of creating fear and hysterical mindlessness will leave aboard the fiery lake of sulphur and we will all be able to enjoy righteousness which includes repair, resurrection and everlasting life. Hysterical control will be a thing of the past...even if ippy, and many others, seem to prefer it.
Don't blame me...blame Almighty God.
Whoa!
Where have I 'condoned history' NM?
Stating fact is not agreeing with the system.
We may put our own interpretation on the fact.
We may judge the system by our standards.
However fact remains fact, whether you or I like it or not.
All the evidence from objective historians, archaeology, etc shows that, for the most part. the Roman Empire survived as a relatively peaceful, cohesive structure.
You look at things from thre standpoint of Israel/Palestine in the first century - understandable, given the life and times of Christ - and the jumping off point that God used to build His church.
However historians cannot afford to be subjective - to do so skewes history.
With the best will in the world, Palestine, though a vital focus of our thoughts and faith, was never more than an irritation in first century Roman thought and actions.
Even the hell of Masada was a very minor 'policing exercise' in the scheme of things - in a vast empire where, for the most part, oppression and rebellion were consigned to the margins.
We may not like it.
We may not agree or condone the actions.
But we cannot ignore the facts.
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Whoa!
Where have I 'condoned history' NM?
Stating fact is not agreeing with the system.
We may put our own interpretation on the fact.
We may judge the system by our standards.
However fact remains fact, whether you or I like it or not.
All the evidence from objective historians, archaeology, etc shows that, for the most part. the Roman Empire survived as a relatively peaceful, cohesive structure.
You look at things from thre standpoint of Israel/Palestine in the first century - understandable, given the life and times of Christ - and the jumping off point that God used to build His church.
However historians cannot afford to be subjective - to do so skewes history.
With the best will in the world, Palestine, though a vital focus of our thoughts and faith, was never more than an irritation in first century Roman thought and actions.
Even the hell of Masada was a very minor 'policing exercise' in the scheme of things - in a vast empire where, for the most part, oppression and rebellion were consigned to the margins.
We may not like it.
We may not agree or condone the actions.
But we cannot ignore the facts.
Oppression is something which doesn’t really have a history Anchorman…The pain and the suffering doesn’t really get written down. Had Hitler won the war his version of events would have been very different to the version we have now and to have tried to tell historical truth would have been punished by death…and the Jews wouldn’t have had a mention. This is the wonderful part of Biblical history that it still exists today even though oppressors would rather it wasn’t.
Oppression relies exclusively upon winding up the emotions of the masses. It has a deeper spiritual reasoning which is better understood via Jesus’ accurate teaching…our spiritual strength which supports and controls our physical health is bled away leaving us defenceless against tyrants/bully’s …so it makes sense to upbuild our spiritual stature if we don’t want to develop the health problems delivered by oppression…and this is achieved by taking in the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.
All through history there is evidence of this oppression where tyrants have authority over the masses regardless of good order, good health and truth. There hall-mark is often a method of frightening the masses via terrible acts and one thing to look for is their hysterical machines of distress which keeps everyone supporting them. Often it is religious procedures like human sacrifice…Hitler used death camps and the Romans used amphitheaters and crucifixion as the generating force of hysteria. So rely on Biblical teaching first.
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And god supposedly flooded the world when having a temper tantrum, that is evil!
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And god supposedly flooded the world when having a temper tantrum, that is evil!
I rather fancy that Almighty God was preempting a disaster that his electric force was responsible for, a force for which he speaks, when he prepared Noah to save himself but wasn't too bothered about the rest because they were all so evil.
This is similar to when these planetary bodies come into our air-space just as God has forewarned, telling us to make our own ark out of our own spirit by preparing it righteously, else face the consequences.
Preparing 'it' righteously can only be achieved via Jesus Christ's accurate teaching.
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I rather fancy that Almighty God was preempting a disaster that his electric force was responsible for, a force for which he speaks, when he prepared Noah to save himself but wasn't too bothered about the rest because they were all so evil.
This is similar to when these planetary bodies come into our air-space just as God has forewarned, telling us to make our own ark out of our own spirit by preparing it righteously, else face the consequences.
Preparing 'it' righteously can only be achieved via Jesus Christ's accurate teaching.
NM your statements get more and more weird each time you post!
Even if all the people on Earth were evil, which is a daft notion, what had babies, young children and animals done wrong?
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Even if all the people on Earth were evil, which is a daft notion, what had babies, young children and animals done wrong?
A natural disaster doesn't ask permission...and doesn't segregate the good from the bad...but following righteousness certainly does because it is a universal, indestructible strength owned by Almighty God...It saved Jesus so it can save us if we upbuild a righteous spirit in his likeness.
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A natural disaster doesn't ask permission...and doesn't segregate the good from the bad...but following righteousness certainly does because it is a universal, indestructible strength owned by Almighty God...It saved Jesus so it can save us if we upbuild a righteous spirit in his likeness.
The 'natural disaster' in the Bible was supposedly directly caused by god, so the buck stops with it. Read Genesis 6 v 5-8 without putting your weird spin on it. Goodness knows why god thought Noah was such a good person, the guy got drunk then cursed Canaan, Ham's son Canaan, when all Ham did was to see his old man naked! Genesis 9 v20-29.
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The 'natural disaster' in the Bible was supposedly directly caused by god, so the buck stops with it. Read Genesis 6 v 5-8 without putting your weird spin on it. Goodness knows why god thought Noah was such a good person, the guy got drunk then cursed Canaan, Ham's son Canaan, when all Ham did was to see his old man naked! Genesis 9 v20-29.
Almighty God speaks for every expression that is controlled by his dynamic forces. He created the entire mass in the entire universe with it and all its associated sciences...so he speaks on its behalf...Electric, dynamic energy can't speak, but a living entity that has thorough knowledge of that dynamic energy, and is in fact a living limb of all that energy, can. This is why God takes responsibility of all good and all bad events but his code entitles us to be spiritual too, after the likeness of Jesus....Your preference is eternal damnation because you refuse to listen to your saviour just means one less to worry about, Floo.
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Almighty God speaks for every expression that is controlled by his dynamic forces. He created the entire mass in the entire universe with it and all its associated sciences...so he speaks on its behalf...Electric, dynamic energy can't speak, but a living entity that has thorough knowledge of that dynamic energy, and is in fact a living limb of all that energy, can. This is why God takes responsibility of all good and all bad events but his code entitles us to be spiritual too, after the likeness of Jesus....Your preference is eternal damnation because you refuse to listen to your saviour just means one less to worry about, Floo.
Here we go again NM. ::) It is a great pity you don't put your overactive imagination to much better use. Threatening people with your daft spin is not a good idea especially when there is no evidence to support it. It is water off a ducks back to me, but I am concerned that anyone who is vulnerable might take your nonsense seriously! >:(
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Here we go again NM. ::) It is a great pity you don't put your overactive imagination to much better use. Threatening people with your daft spin is not a good idea especially when there is no evidence to support it. It is water off a ducks back to me, but I am concerned that anyone who is vulnerable might take your nonsense seriously! >:(
The whole world will be taking Almighty God seriously when the tell-tale signs I am pointing out to you all become indisputable...Floo...and it wont be long now, I don't think.
The point you are missing is that the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ isn't harmful at all. It is bringing our own person into good order...now that may be offensive to you but I rather fancy that, like all science, it will eventually become the accepted truth. Accepted by those living on planet Earth and by those on a very unpleasant journey a long way from here.
That is what that Holy Book which you not only ignore but are outspoken in condemning says Floo...and it is those following your belief who Almighty God blames the state of this world on.
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.and it wont be long now, I don't think.
Nick
Is that the same or different to - 'soon'?
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Nick
Is that the same or different to - 'soon'?
I out-thought you there Seb...I said soon...I think. But to be honest I think soon here means soon.
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I out-thought you there Seb...I said soon...I think.
You did? It's easy to check.
...here is your post again....
The whole world will be taking Almighty God seriously when the tell-tale signs I am pointing out to you all become indisputable...Floo...and it wont be long now, I don't think.
The point you are missing is that the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ isn't harmful at all. It is bringing our own person into good order...now that may be offensive to you but I rather fancy that, like all science, it will eventually become the accepted truth. Accepted by those living on planet Earth and by those on a very unpleasant journey a long way from here.
That is what that Holy Book which you not only ignore but are outspoken in condemning says Floo...and it is those following your belief who Almighty God blames the state of this world on.
..cant see the word soon anywhere, can you?
Anyway when you say ;
But to be honest I think soon here means soon.
...do you mean 'soon' as in your very own special and personal definition
ie 'sometime between now and anytime in the next millennium or ten'
or 'soon' as in the normal everyday English definition ie
soon
suːn/
adverb
adverb: soon; comparative adverb: sooner; superlative adverb: soonest
1.
in or after a short time.
synonyms: in a short time, shortly, presently, in the near future, before long, in a little while, in a minute, in a moment, in an instant, in a twinkling, in the twinkling of an eye, before you know it, any minute (now), any day (now), any time (now), by and by;
I just need to check Nick because as you well know it is difficult having a conversation with someone when they are basically using a different language to what one is used to!
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Clearly it isn't obvious to you ippy that I have already answered you many times even in my last post but you aren't reading them or are just ill-equipped to understand plain speaking.
I need no further proof other than to point out to you that trying to wind up a circular argument is very stressful for you just as screaming and shouting at football matches is and the net outcome is that that hysteria passes to our genetics which also start behaving wildly, kicking out at the good order of other surrounding healthier cells without any genetic interest in rest of the body...we call this cancer but I see it as electric/nervous/spiritual oppression...hysterical body cells...which is why the Jews looked so down-trodden when cancerous oppressors took it upon themselves to eliminate their species.
Where did I get all this from??...The Holy Bible, of course...and in particular the Gospels.
Nick, isn't lying a sin, only you have never supplied any verifiable proof that your god and Jesus are in fact a part of reality, wouldn't telling me you had when you haven't be a lie?
Sorry Nick, but I have to remind you each time, naturally as you already should know you can't use the bible to prove the bible, that would be a daft thing to do, anyway I'm all ears or in this case looking forward to reading how you try to wriggle your way out of this one; I don't think you can, is that why you keep going quite on this one Nick? You know, because you haven't got an answer, just more and more soppy sermons.
You and your sermons Nick; do you carry a portable lectern necessary when you order the fish and chips on a Friday?
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The whole world will be taking Almighty God seriously when the tell-tale signs I am pointing out to you all become indisputable...Floo...and it wont be long now, I don't think.
The point you are missing is that the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ isn't harmful at all. It is bringing our own person into good order...now that may be offensive to you but I rather fancy that, like all science, it will eventually become the accepted truth. Accepted by those living on planet Earth and by those on a very unpleasant journey a long way from here.
That is what that Holy Book which you not only ignore but are outspoken in condemning says Floo...and it is those following your belief who Almighty God blames the state of this world on.
I reckon if you were around in 2000 years time you would still be churning out the same nonsense and claiming it would happen 'soon'. Your idea of 'soon' is to infinity and well beyond in anyone else's language! ::)
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Seb/ippy/Floo...
All I'm saying is that 666 encapsulates a certain mind-set and all you keep saying to me is...here I am...here I am. At least someone has tried to save you but the net is tightening...and the evidence suggests it will be soon.
You don't seem to be able to grasp that dark matter/God's dynamic energy/Jesus' living waters is all the same material...which effects everyone's life and offers so much for medical science but not for ridiculars, snarlers and otherwise people listed in Revelation 21:8
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Seb/ippy/Floo...
All I'm saying is that 666 encapsulates a certain mind-set and all you keep saying to me is...here I am...here I am. At least someone has tried to save you but the net is tightening...and the evidence suggests it will be soon.
You don't seem to be able to grasp that dark matter/God's dynamic energy/Jesus' living waters is all the same material...which effects everyone's life and offers so much for medical science but not for ridiculars, snarlers and otherwise people listed in Revelation 8:21
Now I KNOW for a fact you are telling a porkie as Revelation 8v 21 doesn't exist!
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Now I KNOW for a fact you are telling a porkie as Revelation 8v 21 doesn't exist!
A mistake is never a lie Floo. You are mistaken at the moment but when the evidence becomes obvious then denial will become a lie...repent while you can.
I have corrected my error.
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A mistake is never a lie Floo. You are mistaken at the moment but when the evidence becomes obvious then denial will become a lie...repent while you can.
If you can make a mistake over a Bible verse that doesn't exist, how many other mistakes have you made? I suggest ALL your weird interpretation of the Bible is one HUGE MISTAKE
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Seb/ippy/Floo...
All I'm saying is that 666 encapsulates a certain mind-set and all you keep saying to me is...here I am...here I am. At least someone has tried to save you but the net is tightening...and the evidence suggests it will be soon.
You don't seem to be able to grasp that dark matter/God's dynamic energy/Jesus' living waters is all the same material...which effects everyone's life and offers so much for medical science but not for ridiculars, snarlers and otherwise people listed in Revelation 21:8
Nick, all you keep doing is hiding yourself behind more and more nonsensical sermon like utterances rather than face up to the realities of life, you quote absolute rubbish rather than give up on your comfort blanket like religious delusions or answer honestly given straightforward questions.
Show me the quote from the bible, any bible, where they refer to electricity in any way whatsoever?
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The Roman Empire might meet your criteria of a good system, Anchorman, but obviously not for those following Jesus Christ.
Oh the irony of it! Nicholas Marks outlining to Anchorman the criteria of being a good Christian! I may not share Anchorman's spiritual beliefs, but I recognise him as a good man who is sincere in his faith, and besides that, is a fine scholar.
Whereas you, NM are just a tedious windbag who doesn't know when to shut up and listen - or start reading for comprehension.
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Nick, all you keep doing is hiding yourself behind more and more nonsensical sermon like utterances rather than face up to the realities of life, you quote absolute rubbish rather than give up on your comfort blanket like religious delusions or answer honestly given straightforward questions.
Show me the quote from the bible, any bible, where they refer to electricity in any way whatsoever?
ippy
this is nothing less than asking for evidence . the stupid thing is expecting any. Walk AWAY , nothing to see here , move along now.
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NM's 'electric' utterances would be highly amusing as long no one takes him seriously. I don't think any of us do, but my concern is that there might be visitors to this forum who are young and/or gullible, who are frightened by his constant, 'the end is nigh', twaddle. I know how scary it was for me as a kid when I was bombarded with, 'repent or else', scenarios. :o
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this is nothing less than asking for evidence . the stupid thing is expecting any. Walk AWAY , nothing to see here , move along now.
Walter I really don't mind if you pursue any particular bag, help yourself.
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Walter I really don't mind if you pursue any particular bag, help yourself.
ippy
there was this older person at my school who was known as the bag . She was a civilian who looked after our tuck shop. At around the age of forty she was every boys wet dream, and one glorious afternoon she was mine. Bessie , you were inspirational.
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ippy/Walter/Floo/Dicky Underpants...
I love it when objectors of the Holy Bible and those who don't even know what it says come together to slam another for making it only too clear to them.
The Holy Bible tells you plainly that its teaching will lead us to God's Living Waters. That has to be, by default, something that is staring you in the face but which cannot be seen...I have made it visible for you.
Jesus Christ taught us all how to harness God's Living Waters...He couldn't use scientific terms to an oppressed people. I have made that language unify with modern science but your ears are blocked by your own unrighteous thoughts.
Many observers are telling us of the approach of some serious planetary problems and the planet is tipping and turning in unusual ways plus the ever increasing earthquakes, climate change, and not forgetting the preparations being made by those in the know...but all you can see is the sand that your heads are buried in.
All I am saying is reiterating what Jesus said...when you see these signs know that there will be great tribulations culminating into one final Judgement and the only sensible precaution you can take is to upbuild a righteous spirit because, as Jesus adequately showed us, it can then be resurrected, if the worse comes to the worse...This is an option that no one tagged with God's number 666 can expect to benefit from...See that you are not one of these.
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NM after your previous gaff it is a bit rich you accuse others of not knowing what is in the Bible! ::) STOP MAKING THREATS, you have no evidence, apart from in your own mind, to support them!
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NM after your previous gaff it is a bit rich you accuse others of not knowing what is in the Bible! ::) STOP MAKING THREATS, you have no evidence, apart from in your own mind, to support them!
It is the Holy Bible that makes the threats Floo...and the observers who are telling you that the planet is heading for serious destruction of the sort identified in Revelation and boy is that catastrophic.
You can only come here to discredit all those who might value the Holy Bible...those who are sick, homeless, without hope, without family, without any work, without any kindness, in deep grief ..you know...the residue of oppression...so don't think I will get too concerned because I got a number back to front.
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.This is an option that no one tagged with God's number 666 can expect to benefit from...See that you are not one of these.
Nick, how do you think that the tagging will occur? What form will it take?
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Oh the irony of it! Nicholas Marks outlining to Anchorman the criteria of being a good Christian! I may not share Anchorman's spiritual beliefs, but I recognise him as a good man who is sincere in his faith, and besides that, is a fine scholar.
Whereas you, NM are just a tedious windbag who doesn't know when to shut up and listen - or start reading for comprehension.
Shucks!
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ippy/Walter/Floo/Dicky Underpants...
I love it when objectors of the Holy Bible and those who don't even know what it says come together to slam another for making it only too clear to them.
The Holy Bible tells you plainly that its teaching will lead us to God's Living Waters. That has to be, by default, something that is staring you in the face but which cannot be seen...I have made it visible for you.
Jesus Christ taught us all how to harness God's Living Waters...He couldn't use scientific terms to an oppressed people. I have made that language unify with modern science but your ears are blocked by your own unrighteous thoughts.
Many observers are telling us of the approach of some serious planetary problems and the planet is tipping and turning in unusual ways plus the ever increasing earthquakes, climate change, and not forgetting the preparations being made by those in the know...but all you can see is the sand that your heads are buried in.
All I am saying is reiterating what Jesus said...when you see these signs know that there will be great tribulations culminating into one final Judgement and the only sensible precaution you can take is to upbuild a righteous spirit because, as Jesus adequately showed us, it can then be resurrected, if the worse comes to the worse...This is an option that no one tagged with God's number 666 can expect to benefit from...See that you are not one of these.
OK;
You've banged on about your interpretation of 666, NM.
Can you concede that you might not only be barking up the wrong tree but barking at a giant welly instead?
666 may refer to events in the past - our past, not the writer of Revelation.
Remember that apocalyptic style of writing I was banging on about?
Well, couched in the almost incomprehensible 'code' may well be a reference to Nero as 'the Beast'.
Have you managed to figure that one out?
Or it could simply be a reference to the fact that we failed to reach perfection....7 being regarded as a perfect number in Jewish thought processes.
Either way, your interpretation is only one of many where Revelaton is concerned. Do I really have to remind you of the pseudochristian groups who set a day and a time for the Parousi only to have egg on their face when Jesus failed to pop up at their command....or in one case, lied their way out of it by proclaiming an 'invisible Jesus' in 1918?
As Christ Himself said, "No-one kmows the day nor the hour". So quit second guessing!
Just accept He WILL come - whether that day is today, next year or next millenium.
All we need to be is ready.
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You've banged on about your interpretation of 666, NM.
Can you concede that you might not only be barking up the wrong tree but barking at a giant welly instead?
666 may refer to events in the past - our past, not the writer of Revelation.
Remember that apocalyptic style of writing I was banging on about?
Well, couched in the almost incomprehensible 'code' may well be a reference to Nero as 'the Beast'.
Have you managed to figure that one out?
Or it could simply be a reference to the fact that we failed to reach perfection....7 being regarded as a perfect number in Jewish thought processes.
Either way, your interpretation is only one of many where Revelaton is concerned. Do I really have to remind you of the pseudochristian groups who set a day and a time for the Parousi only to have egg on their face when Jesus failed to pop up at their command....or in one case, lied their way out of it by proclaiming an 'invisible Jesus' in 1918?
As Christ Himself said, "No-one kmows the day nor the hour". So quit second guessing!
Just accept He WILL come - whether that day is today, next year or next millenium.
All we need to be is ready.
I'm sorry if I've angered you Anchorman...but Biblical truth is paramount here. I have given an explanation for 666 which gives me an important instrument to show that those opposing Jesus Christ are adhering to that one evil philosophy that God and Jesus object to...a philosophy that the whole righteous world suffers by.
The signs that Jesus himself pointed to to define this period are coming into sharp focus now so we either ignore him else prime our lamps and Floo/Seb/ippy/Walter are ideal subjects to prime my lamp's wick on.
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You haven't angered me in the slightest, NM. I was simply pointing out that your interpretation is simply one of many interpretations, some more valid than others.
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I'm sorry if I've angered you Anchorman...but Biblical truth is paramount here. I have given an explanation for 666 which gives me an important instrument to show that those opposing Jesus Christ are adhering to that one evil philosophy that God and Jesus object to...a philosophy that the whole righteous world suffers by.
The signs that Jesus himself pointed to to define this period are coming into sharp focus now so we either ignore him else prime our lamps and Floo/Seb/ippy/Walter are ideal subjects to prime my lamp's wick on.
666, Nick? How will I get tagged? Will I be able to see it in a mirror?
Will it look like really neat tattoo? What if I get a tattoo now, will that save some time?
Should I get 666 or 616?
Where should it go?
I could get 999 done, then if anyone asks about my 666 tattoo I could just say that they are reading it upside down!
Too many choices Nick, can you help?
Nick?
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666, Nick? How will I get tagged? Will I be able to see it in a mirror?
Will it look like really neat tattoo? What if I get a tattoo now, will that save some time?
Should I get 666 or 616?
Where should it go?
I could get 999 done, then if anyone asks about my 666 tattoo I could just say that they are reading it upside down!
Too many choices Nick, can you help?
Nick?
Of course I can help Seb...that's what I'm here for...Read the Gospels accurately and try to bring its meaning alive in your daily life and if you do it sincerely you will lift yourself from under the deceit of that number. Your spirit will get stronger and just like the morale induced by righteous thinking you will be saved...please mention this to ippy/Walter and Floo, whilst your at it.
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Of course I can help Seb...that's what I'm here for...Read the Gospels accurately and try to bring its meaning alive in your daily life and if you do it sincerely you will lift yourself from under the deceit of that number. Your spirit will get stronger and just like the morale induced by righteous thinking you will be saved...please mention this to ippy/Walter and Floo, whilst your at it.
But Nick, you haven't told me how I would be tagged!
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But Nick, you haven't told me how I would be tagged!
You are tagging yourself Seb...where as criminals are tagged with an obvious and visible tagging those who offend Jesus Christ will find that when the general population are finding health and repair from Jesus' accurate word some others will be left behind because they are unable to attach themselves to God's Living Waters...these wont be getting healthier and stronger and people who are, will say to themselves these are the ones who are tagged and will not be saved.
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You are tagging yourself Seb...where as criminals are tagged with an obvious and visible tagging those who offend Jesus Christ will find that when the general population are finding health and repair from Jesus' accurate word some others will be left behind because they are unable to attach themselves to God's Living Waters...these wont be getting healthier and stronger and people who are, will say to themselves these are the ones who are tagged and will not be saved.
But Nick. Where is the 666 that I will be tagged with? How will anyone know if they have been tagged or not?
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But Nick. Where is the 666 that I will be tagged with? How will anyone know if they have been tagged or not?
There is no need to answer that because it is a blatent expression saying you aren't reading just slagging. You see how I make the analogy of a bully and a cancer cell. Both are just kicking out wildly dragging the electrical stimulas from out of their target to support their own spiteful lifestyle without any concern what-so-ever for the emotions of those who might need a little spiritual kindness...like your own body cells or those mentioned in my last post to Floo who also doesn't mind inflicting her aggression on the weak or vulnerable who seek Jesus...even though she is on weak ground herself.
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There is no need to answer that because it is a blatent expression saying you aren't reading just slagging. You see how I make the analogy of a bully and a cancer cell. Both are just kicking out wildly dragging the electrical stimulas from out of their target to support their own spiteful lifestyle without any concern what-so-ever for the emotions of those who might need a little spiritual kindness...like your own body cells or those mentioned in my last post to Floo who also doesn't mind inflicting her aggression on the weak or vulnerable who seek Jesus...even though she is on weak ground herself.
You haven't answered directly as usual because you haven't worked out a weasel answer yet but I'm sure one will come "soon"!
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Of course I can help Seb...that's what I'm here for...Read the Gospels accurately and try to bring its meaning alive in your daily life and if you do it sincerely you will lift yourself from under the deceit of that number. Your spirit will get stronger and just like the morale induced by righteous thinking you will be saved...please mention this to ippy/Walter and Floo, whilst your at it.
NM considering how 'accurately' you read the Bible including a verse which wasn't there, I doubt anyone is going to take your daft advice in a hurry!
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Seb/ippy/Floo...
All I'm saying is that 666 encapsulates a certain mind-set and all you keep saying to me is...here I am...here I am. At least someone has tried to save you but the net is tightening...and the evidence suggests it will be soon.
You don't seem to be able to grasp that dark matter/God's dynamic energy/Jesus' living waters is all the same material...which effects everyone's life and offers so much for medical science but not for ridiculars, snarlers and otherwise people listed in Revelation 21:8
Nick you quote nonsense for app 99% of the time, and don't give straight answers, to more or less anything posters ask of you.
Don't you think your imaginary friend might take a dim view of these rather obvious failings of yours Nick?
I recon he she or it might find some way of making you repent, so you might need to watch out, just in case your imaginary friend does actually exist?
ippy
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ippy/Floo/Seb...
This is what I call an emotional tumour...when a number of like minded aggressively gang up to hit out at a less hysterical but seemingly easy victim. I don"t need to tell you how I reference this with bully's in the playground, bully's with swastika's on their tunics, or bully's inside a cluster of living cells.
What I do need to tell you though is that to get out of that emotional trap you must follow Jesus Christ, accurately as he taught it, spoke it, and lived it...thereby soothing and calming your aggression and your genetics and hopefully rejoin those who will be saved and go on to everlasting life.
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ippy/Floo/Seb...
This is what I call an emotional tumour...when a number of like minded aggressively gang up to hit out at a less hysterical but seemingly easy victim. I don"t need to tell you how I reference this with bully's in the playground, bully's with swastika's on their tunics, or bully's inside a cluster of living cells.
What I do need to tell you though is that to get out of that emotional trap you must follow Jesus Christ, accurately as he taught it, spoke it, and lived it...thereby soothing and calming your aggression and your genetics and hopefully rejoin those who will be saved and go on to everlasting life.
It is you who keep being aggressive by threatening us with silly nonsense, which is all in your mind!
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It is you who keep being aggressive by threatening us with silly nonsense, which is all in your mind!
As I've said before Floo...I will let you have the last word but not until I've said what needs to be said.
It is the Holy Bible that is making all the threats...I am simply interpreting them so that you clearly understand what you are playing with. I have given you all, deep and honest understanding using science and the Holy Bible as my spring-board...but...regardless of millions who over the generations have found great store in Jesus' words you want to ridicule and besmirch them. That's ok...the importance of taking Jesus at his accurate word is so that we are all aligned in a common thought which is that it is vital to link into and respect God's Living Water...which is written of in the NT and which will save those who respect Jesus Christ accurately.
Now I've said all that knowing you will just blitz through it and prepare an unpleasant kick-back and that isn't really how debate is supposed to work...is it??
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ippy/Floo/Seb...
This is what I call an emotional tumour...when a number of like minded aggressively gang up to hit out at a less hysterical but seemingly easy victim. I don"t need to tell you how I reference this with bully's in the playground, bully's with swastika's on their tunics, or bully's inside a cluster of living cells.
What I do need to tell you though is that to get out of that emotional trap you must follow Jesus Christ, accurately as he taught it, spoke it, and lived it...thereby soothing and calming your aggression and your genetics and hopefully rejoin those who will be saved and go on to everlasting life.
Nick, we know what you think and we've had enough sermons from you to last a lifetime, right now it's time for you to answer the question I have been asking you?
Now, remembering that it's senseless to use the bible to prove the bible, please share this elusive verifiable evidence that would prove that there is a he she or it figure that you call god?
It would be interesting to read all of the bits of evidence and how you have managed to use it to substantiate each piece of this evidence that you say would support these beliefs of yours?
An answer to the question asked would be very interesting Nick, no more sermons, please.
ippy
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Responding to NM is a pointless exercise, ippy, he has his hands firmly over eyes and ears when it comes to other POVs, even that of other Christians. He appears to think he is some sort of prophet sent by his version of god to point out the error of our ways. Over the years I have come across several people of his ilk on forums, who believe themselves to have god given knowledge no one else has. However, NM surpasses all the others with his 'accurate dynamic electric' interpretation of the Bible, and threats of wormwood, that is really novel. ;D
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Nick, we know what you think and we've had enough sermons from you to last a lifetime, right now it's time for you to answer the question I have been asking you?
Now, remembering that it's senseless to use the bible to prove the bible, please share this elusive verifiable evidence that would prove that there is a he she or it figure that you call god?
It would be interesting to read all of the bits of evidence and how you have managed to use it to substantiate each piece of this evidence that you say would support these beliefs of yours?
An answer to the question asked would be very interesting Nick, no more sermons, please.
ippy
You've been answered many times ippy, in many different ways...but I'm not exhausted of trying to save you hoping that others...shyer people, might read and be guided to repent without going through this onslaught.
Almighty God exists because he told us so. He sent Jesus Christ who supported Almighty God to the hilt. Now, you might think you can by-pass the Holy Bible and receive the same...understanding...faith...health support...comfort...and hope for the future. Something that no one can achieve without direct knowledge of what is being Biblically spoken, but that's a bit like going to defend yourself in court without a barrister...you will just get lost in the jargon...and with your attitude probably executed for a parking fine.
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Almighty God exists because he told us so.
Brilliant case wonderfully put. I don't know how anyone could doubt the existence of God aftern that.
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Brilliant case wonderfully put. I don't know how anyone could doubt the existence of God aftern that.
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Brilliant case wonderfully put. I don't know how anyone could doubt the existence of God aftern that.
You missed the bit about Jesus supporting him to the hilt...Maeght. The Bible says that each bear witness to the other. What you are failing to see is that we are dealing with a very advanced civilization here and just a glance through key points tells us this.
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Responding to NM is a pointless exercise, ippy, he has his hands firmly over eyes and ears when it comes to other POVs, even that of other Christians. He appears to think he is some sort of prophet sent by his version of god to point out the error of our ways. Over the years I have come across several people of his ilk on forums, who believe themselves to have god given knowledge no one else has. However, NM surpasses all the others with his 'accurate dynamic electric' interpretation of the Bible, and threats of wormwood, that is really novel. ;D
It might help if you realise that 'dynamic energy' isn't a new concept. It's a deliberate fraud perpetrated by the Watchtower shower - in order to make the Bible read according to their ideas, rather than what the original language in which the texts were written actually says.
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It might help if you realise that 'dynamic energy' isn't a new concept. It's a deliberate fraud perpetrated by the Watchtower shower - in order to make the Bible read according to their ideas, rather than what the original language in which the texts were written actually says.
Everyone can see, surely, that the energy that lives within an atom is a dynamic energy...a source of amazing properties which thousands of scientists explore and have delivered much knowledge from. Almighty God must be at the root of all this material and if we reduce it to its purest form we finish up with a material that is indeed dynamic, invisible, and superabundant, just as science says dark matter and dark energy is...and... just as Almighty God says in Isaiah..
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It might help if you realise that 'dynamic energy' isn't a new concept. It's a deliberate fraud perpetrated by the Watchtower shower - in order to make the Bible read according to their ideas, rather than what the original language in which the texts were written actually says.
Whilst one can be a bit amused by the silliness spouted by NM, the JW mob have my utmost contempt. I never gave them a listening ear, but after a couple of their number told me, when my Down's syndrome son was a baby, he would have been better off dead than receiving the life saving blood transfusion he had just had, my dislike of them is intense! >:(
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Everyone can see, surely, that the energy that lives within an atom is a dynamic energy...a source of amazing properties which thousands of scientists explore and have delivered much knowledge from. Almighty God must be at the root of all this material and if we reduce it to its purest form we finish up with a material that is indeed dynamic, invisible, and superabundant, just as science says dark matter and dark energy is...and... just as Almighty God says in Isaiah..
Ah!
You must mean that bit in the NWT where the Watchrtower deliberately skews Scrioture to suit their theology, NM?
Here's a simplistic version of why they deliberately lied about it.
http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/b-hebrew/2001-June/010945.html
Nowhere in Isaiah does 'dynamic energy' occur.
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Ah!
You must mean that bit in the NWT where the Watchrtower deliberately skews Scrioture to suit their theology, NM?
Here's a simplistic version of why they deliberately lied about it.
http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/b-hebrew/2001-June/010945.html
Nowhere in Isaiah does 'dynamic energy' occur.
I wonder if NM is a JW with a spin?
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Getting back to '666' (remember that?) If I were to accept some of the rubbish surrounding that number, I might - were I superstitious - include the corrupt New World Translation of the Bible....'coss '666' is part of the number of pages it contains..... http://www.bible.ca/Jw-NWT.htm Just saying....;)
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Ah!
You must mean that bit in the NWT where the Watchrtower deliberately skews Scrioture to suit their theology, NM?
Here's a simplistic version of why they deliberately lied about it.
http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/b-hebrew/2001-June/010945.html
Nowhere in Isaiah does 'dynamic energy' occur.
To me Anchorman...both examples are saying the same thing. I think I have given an adequate scientific explanation above and shown that in Isaiah Almighty God is referring to the same material and specifically says he made every star with his mighty power. It's all the other clues where this living water becomes alive to the Biblical student as being both useful to man as well as to the stars.
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To me Anchorman...both examples are saying the same thing. I think I have given an adequate scientific explanation above and shown that in Isaiah Almighty God is referring to the same material and specifically says he made every star with his mighty power. It's all the other clues where this living water becomes alive to the Biblical student as being both useful to man as well as to the stars.
Hang on: They may say that to you - but that is not what they say in Hebrew!
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Getting back to '666' (remember that?) If I were to accept some of the rubbish surrounding that number, I might - were I superstitious - include the corrupt New World Translation of the Bible....'coss '666' is part of the number of pages it contains..... http://www.bible.ca/Jw-NWT.htm Just saying....;)
I did point out at the outset that it was an understanding that originated with me Anchorman. I thought it was quite clever...because Revelation is specifically pointing its finger at one group of people here...all God's enemies and as you might expect if everything tallies it might well be correct...Biblically speaking.
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Hang on: They may say that to you - but that is not what they say in Hebrew!
The Holy Bible tells us all one story, how Almighty God is the owner of the entire universe. He created it and he holds all knowledge about it. If we accept that written into God's teaching...which includes Jesus Christ's teaching...everything must resolve itself into a science...I have simply looked at things in that light and have found a unified truth in it all and 666 is a feature we shouldn't ignore.
The modern version of Biblical truth is still the truth even if it has a more scientific reasoning.
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You missed the bit about Jesus supporting him to the hilt...Maeght. The Bible says that each bear witness to the other. What you are failing to see is that we are dealing with a very advanced civilization here and just a glance through key points tells us this.
No I didn't miss it at all.
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No I didn't miss it at all.
Well Maeght, if you pull this together with the many things I have said and many things the Holy Bible says and the many things that many people have said over many generations...you might hear a mighty and powerful voice telling you that Almighty God is exactly who he says he is in the Holy Bible...Worth a good read...surely.
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Well Maeght, if you pull this together with the many things I have said and many things the Holy Bible says and the many things that many people have said over many generations...you might hear a mighty and powerful voice telling you that Almighty God is exactly who he says he is in the Holy Bible...Worth a good read...surely.
You said Almighty God exists because he told us so - which is totally illogical. Not interested in getting into all the many things you have said, which are equally illogical and just an expression of you slightly unusual beliefs as this has been done many times and is pointless. I certainly have never heard a mighty and powerful voice telling me anything and reading the Bible certainly isn't a good read as far as I'm concerned.
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You've been answered many times ippy, in many different ways...but I'm not exhausted of trying to save you hoping that others...shyer people, might read and be guided to repent without going through this onslaught.
Almighty God exists because he told us so. He sent Jesus Christ who supported Almighty God to the hilt. Now, you might think you can by-pass the Holy Bible and receive the same...understanding...faith...health support...comfort...and hope for the future. Something that no one can achieve without direct knowledge of what is being Biblically spoken, but that's a bit like going to defend yourself in court without a barrister...you will just get lost in the jargon...and with your attitude probably executed for a parking fine.
Yes Nick you have answered me in many times in many different ways but, unfortunatly you've never answered the question I have been trying to get over to you.
This reply of yours could be taken by some as the ramblings of a lost their marbles ologist if they didn't know better.
It might be a good idea to look at this part of this particular post of yours where you have declared the following: "Almighty god exists because he told us so", where's the evidence that can be verified that any such thing existed let alone really does exist.
What you've done in effect is tell me the bible is proving the bible to be about things that actually happend, the bilble is proving the bible, now that is absolutly beyond potty, you must realise this Nick, come on?
Wakey wakey Nick, open those eyeballs of yours and do a lot better than you have been doing and answer the question asked?
ippy
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ippy/Maeght...
You have convinced yourselves that there is no God and refuse to entertain the idea that there is...The mistake you are all making...including Floo is in thinking that that God and Jesus are an age old myth not worth bothering about and refusing to see a very advanced Deity that is playing out a plan from which they wont deviate.
This is proven by science especially as the Drake Equation positively states there is a strong possibility that other life forms are alive in this universe...many of them living on planets in the Milky Way...and according to other eye-witnesses they have this planet under surveillance.
This possibility automatically means that their level of intelligence is far greater than ours and could see things totally different to us.
The plan appears to be to warn the population on this planet of an impending danger and telling us that there is a way of protecting ourselves...the same way Jesus did from an event that carried the same dangers.
One thing we can be certain of if we accept the science and eye-witness accounts is that these visitors have a leader and Jesus was full of the authority of this leader calling him Almighty God.
If you want to know more about that leader from Heaven you must read the reports left behind by them after they actively interacted with people on this planet...it's all in the Holy Bible...but the choice is yours.
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ippy/Maeght...
You have convinced yourselves that there is no God and refuse to entertain the idea that there is...The mistake you are all making...including Floo is in thinking that that God and Jesus are an age old myth not worth bothering about and refusing to see a very advanced Deity that is playing out a plan from which they wont deviate.
This is proven by science especially as the Drake Equation positively states there is a strong possibility that other life forms are alive in this universe...many of them living on planets in the Milky Way...and according to other eye-witnesses they have this planet under surveillance.
This possibility automatically means that their level of intelligence is far greater than ours and could see things totally different to us.
The plan appears to be to warn the population on this planet of an impending danger and telling us that there is a way of protecting ourselves...the same way Jesus did from an event that carried the same dangers.
One thing we can be certain of if we accept the science and eye-witness accounts is that these visitors have a leader and Jesus was full of the authority of this leader calling him Almighty God.
If you want to know more about that leader from Heaven you must read the reports left behind by them after they actively interacted with people on this planet...it's all in the Holy Bible...but the choice is yours.
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Line I said, you have beliefs which are somewhat unusual and which I don't share.
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What NM doesn't get is the more he posts the less and less convincing is his POV.
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What NM doesn't get is the more he posts the less and less convincing is his POV.
We will just have to wait and see then...but in the mean time I will concentrate on the wonderful benifits inspired by Jesus's accurate word.
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We will just have to wait and see then...but in the mean time I will concentrate on the wonderful benifits inspired by Jesus's accurate word.
Nick
why don't you just free yourself from all this preaching and waiting and enjoy life
one life-live it .
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Nick
why don't you just free yourself from all this preaching and waiting and enjoy life
one life-live it .
I don'y read that in the Holy Bible Walter...I read that there is a lot of pain and suffering in the world, much of it hidden from view...and that by careful observance of Jesus Christ's written teaching we are releasing ourselves from any responsibility in those issues...and life isn't to be sneezed at if we realise that a healthy, more righteous spirit is the cure-all of our many ailments.
We are told that our one life can continue into all eternity if we harness it as Jesus taught us.
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I don'y read that in the Holy Bible Walter...I read that there is a lot of pain and suffering in the world, much of it hidden from view...and that by careful observance of Jesus Christ's written teaching we are releasing ourselves from any responsibility in those issues...and life isn't to be sneezed at if we realise that a healthy, more righteous spirit is the cure-all of our many ailments.
We are told that our one life can continue into all eternity if we harness it as Jesus taught us.
my advice;
stop reading YOUR bible and see life for what it really is . Religion is irrelevant to a good ,happy and fulfilling life , I've never had it in mine and guess what , the world has not stopped turning.
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ippy/Maeght...
You have convinced yourselves that there is no God and refuse to entertain the idea that there is...The mistake you are all making...including Floo is in thinking that that God and Jesus are an age old myth not worth bothering about and refusing to see a very advanced Deity that is playing out a plan from which they wont deviate.
This is proven by science especially as the Drake Equation positively states there is a strong possibility that other life forms are alive in this universe...many of them living on planets in the Milky Way...and according to other eye-witnesses they have this planet under surveillance.
This possibility automatically means that their level of intelligence is far greater than ours and could see things totally different to us.
The plan appears to be to warn the population on this planet of an impending danger and telling us that there is a way of protecting ourselves...the same way Jesus did from an event that carried the same dangers.
One thing we can be certain of if we accept the science and eye-witness accounts is that these visitors have a leader and Jesus was full of the authority of this leader calling him Almighty God.
If you want to know more about that leader from Heaven you must read the reports left behind by them after they actively interacted with people on this planet...it's all in the Holy Bible...but the choice is yours.
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No Nick I haven't convinced myself that there is no god; I've yet to see any verifiable evidence that would support this misguided idea in the first place.
My question to you was where is your evidence that would support and be verifiable that the figure of this god/Jesus idea of yours does really exist outside of the imaginations of the various supporters of the idea and of course yourself? An idea that's all it is at the moment.
You still haven't supplied any verifiable evidence Nick; you can't? Or wont?
ippy
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ippy/Walter/Maeght...
Refusing to read the evidence is no way of establishing a truth. The Holy Bible is a solid point of evidence and you all seem to have the ability to argue against it without asking yourselves any deep, meaningful, wonderful questions that all scientists of any merit must ask themselves before the birth of some powerful science...often under severe criticism from their own colleagues, so I'm in good company.
It is how the human brain works...some have the ability to bring many points of interest together in a useful way...others don't...but we are told that the healthier the platform of our our thinking works the healthier our general health will be and that is proven by many methods of experiment...so taking care of that equipment is essential and the modern take on Jesus Christ's teaching indicates this is a huge part of its benefits...except, of course, for those who prefer their own wisdom.
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ippy/Walter/Maeght...
Refusing to read the evidence is no way of establishing a truth. The Holy Bible is a solid point of evidence and you all seem to have the ability to argue against it without asking yourselves any deep, meaningful, wonderful questions that all scientists of any merit must ask themselves before the birth of some powerful science...often under severe criticism from their own colleagues, so I'm in good company.
Just because we don't share your beliefs doesn't mean anyone is refusing to read what you consider evidence, nor are we not asking deep, menaingful questions. Just because we don't share your beliefs
It is how the human brain works...some have the ability to bring many points of interest together in a useful way...others don't...but we are told that the healthier the platform of our our thinking works the healthier our general health will be and that is proven by many methods of experiment...so taking care of that equipment is essential and the modern take on Jesus Christ's teaching indicates this is a huge part of its benefits...except, of course, for those who prefer their own wisdom.
Have you ever thought the problem is in your brain?
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Just because we don't share your beliefs doesn't mean anyone is refusing to read what you consider evidence, nor are we not asking deep, menaingful questions. Just because we don't share your beliefs
Have you ever thought the problem is in your brain?
I know it is vicious circle arguments Maeght and that I am falling headlong into them...but it is all part of the need to penetrate spiritual blindness. The Holy Bible exists...it is evidence...if it didn't exist you could say it isn't evidence...but it does. No one can argue against that evidence unless they can disprove it as evidence and frankly you can't. Not only that but millions of people have accepted that evidence as a true and accurate version of facts and have clung together to state and restate that evidence over and over again. That is a second point of evidence. Many regimes have attached themselves to that evidence because, though they themselves aren't interested they know that it soothes the emotional wounds of the many and so they have reluctantly accepted it as an acceptable way to hold their peoples together, under their terms of iniquity imposed upon that teaching...this is further evidence...plus the modern insight which states that we, as a people, are only like a pimple on the universal knowledge of science, which has many more truths to throw at us...but, apparently, we must be receptive.
Not even solid, stout, outspoken disbelievers, can prevent the truth from coming out because science is indisputable and the Holy Bible is an overview of God's science...and righteousness isn't to high a price to pay for that universal knowledge.
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Just because the Bible exists doesn't mean that it is verifiable evidence for the existence of a god etc.
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Just because the Bible exists doesn't mean that it is verifiable evidence for the existence of a god etc.
Harry Potter is also a real person , I've read the book.
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Harry Potter is also a real person , I've read the book.
You might have noticed just how many adherents Harry Potter has Walter but you don't see many of those in the arena exposed to lions or other hostile acts to try and squash this new teaching which the oppressive regime considered destructive to their hold over the people. No caring or compassion just brutal oppression...No wonder Jesus was so popular...excluding those who violated human rights...you know the ones...those encoded 666 in Revelation.
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Just because the Bible exists doesn't mean that it is verifiable evidence for the existence of a god etc.
The Holy Bible is evidence that there is a teaching which brought a whole nation together and bonded them together until this current age...now just as historians look at history to determine the truth the Bible student looks at the Holy Bible, and, it seems, finds much credible evidence within it.
The modern evidence all centres around Jesus Christ and many people have tested that truth and generally you find them much more responsible and kinder and even loving towards their fellowman.
When at war the war chiefs find that adherence to their cause best addressed if they pay special attention to morale...so it is wise to look at the morale building inspired by both the Old testament and its impact on the Jews and the New Testament with its impact of those administering fine works with the poor and the damaged and the poor in spirit, because of their beliefs...whilst others seem to say...to hell with the lot of em.
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The Holy Bible is evidence that there is a teaching which brought a whole nation together and bonded them together until this current age...now just as historians look at history to determine the truth the Bible student looks at the Holy Bible, and, it seems, finds much credible evidence within it.
Hang on......
'Whole nation'?
What 'whole nation'? Not according to the Bible, NM.
The Jewish kingdom was only united under three rulers.
The modern evidence all centres around Jesus Christ and many people have tested that truth and generally you find them much more responsible and kinder and even loving towards their fellowman.
What 'modern evidence'?
When at war the war chiefs find that adherence to their cause best addressed if they pay special attention to morale...so it is wise to look at the morale building inspired by both the Old testament and its impact on the Jews and the New Testament with its impact of those administering fine works with the poor and the damaged and the poor in spirit, because of their beliefs...whilst others seem to say...to hell with the lot of em.
Eh?
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Eh?
Eh? indeed, NM's utterances get weirder and weirder! :o
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Eh? indeed, NM's utterances get weirder and weirder! :o
Just as science doesn't allow for error...neither does the Holy Bible. It all stems from one pure, indisputable fact...That all the energy that built all the stars and atoms and all scientific laws are the result of God's mighty power contained from within a wonderful dynamic energy and adherence to Jesus' righteous laws brings that energy alive in our own lives as God's Living Waters...You are welcome to ignore that fact but Jesus says its unwise to.
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Just as science doesn't allow for error...neither does the Holy Bible. It all stems from one pure, indisputable fact...That all the energy that built all the stars and atoms and all scientific laws are the result of God's mighty power contained from within a wonderful dynamic energy and adherence to Jesus' righteous laws brings that energy alive in our own lives as God's Living Waters...You are welcome to ignore that fact but Jesus says its unwise to.
Nick
I'm going to take a chance and ignore what your Jesus has to say. Would you have the courage to do that?
Try it, you'll probably find it very liberating.
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I wonder if NM is a JW with a spin?
Years ago he told us that he thought the New World Translation was the most "accurate" (though since he appears to know no Hebrew, Aramaic or Koine Greek, one wonders how he would judge this).
However, as is apparent, most of his ramblings depart from from JW beliefs according to whatever thoughts have come into his mind that particular day, in a free-associative way.
Indeed, NM's beliefs depart from the one central JW belief in a very negative way, which may interest you. Though their stance on blood transfusions is contemptible, they do not believe in a hell as a place of eternal torment - surely a point in their favour? However, NM seems to be rather keen on threats of "eternal hell fire" in a very traditional, fundamentalist way.
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NM seems to be a very mixed up individual where his faith is concerned.
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Ah!
You must mean that bit in the NWT where the Watchrtower deliberately skews Scrioture to suit their theology, NM?
Here's a simplistic version of why they deliberately lied about it.
http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/b-hebrew/2001-June/010945.html
Nowhere in Isaiah does 'dynamic energy' occur.
Just flicked through about forty translations on Bible Gateway: they all seem to say much the same as the RSV, speaking on greatness of power, might etc:
"Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth."
Odd that he should latch on to one or two JW phrases and depart on his own sweet way for the rest, following free association or some looney ideas he's seen on the internet or elsewhere. The ideas of Erich von Daniken seem to be not too far away, nor indeed Mormon ideas of God.
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Nick
I'm going to take a chance and ignore what your Jesus has to say. Would you have the courage to do that?
Try it, you'll probably find it very liberating.
Unfortunately I'm not free to ignore truth Maeght/Walter...even if many can't see that truth. You have the Holy Bible warning you of impending danger...many observers saying there is a danger approaching of the sort described in the Holy Bible...the so called elite building massive escape hatches and little old me saying the best, in fact the only protection freely available to us is Jesus Christ's righteous teaching...just as he told us...I don't need to be too insistant because the unrighteous will just have to go with the flow.
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Just flicked through about forty translations on Bible Gateway: they all seem to say much the same as the RSV, speaking on greatness of power, might etc:
"Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth."
Odd that he should latch on to one or two JW phrases and depart on his own sweet way for the rest, following free association or some looney ideas he's seen on the internet or elsewhere. The ideas of Erich von Daniken seem to be not too far away, nor indeed Mormon ideas of God.
Again I don't have to get too excited Dicky...no one can say that the energy contained within the atom, within stars, within galaxies isn't best described as a dynamic energy. It manifests itself in many different and wonderful ways and certainly displays itself in life...best to go to the expert to learn about it though...Jesus Christ...who has promised to let you know its secrets at an appropriate time...I'm just suggesting that that appropriate time is now.
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Just flicked through about forty translations on Bible Gateway: they all seem to say much the same as the RSV, speaking on greatness of power, might etc: "Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth." Odd that he should latch on to one or two JW phrases and depart on his own sweet way for the rest, following free association or some looney ideas he's seen on the internet or elsewhere. The ideas of Erich von Daniken seem to be not too far away, nor indeed Mormon ideas of God.
How to get a Bible translator emotionally disturbed? Tell 'em the NWT is the ultimate in 'accurate' 'dynamic' translations. Note: Wear a face mask....you need to avoid the resultant spit...... Here's a vasic link to the various 'deceptions' in the NWT. Whether one believes in Christianity or no, one cannot fail to be disturbed by the blatant mistranslation of what is supposed to be Christianity's founding document. http://www.ukapologetics.net/newworld.html
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I know it is vicious circle arguments Maeght and that I am falling headlong into them...but it is all part of the need to penetrate spiritual blindness. The Holy Bible exists...it is evidence...if it didn't exist you could say it isn't evidence...but it does.
It isn't valid evidence of anything other than people's beliefs as far as I can see.
No one can argue against that evidence unless they can disprove it as evidence and frankly you can't.
Of course you can argue against your or anyone elses interpretation of the Bible. I tend to try not to drift into theology though.
Not only that but millions of people have accepted that evidence as a true and accurate version of facts and have clung together to state and restate that evidence over and over again. That is a second point of evidence.
It's evidence of the strength of belief in something, yes. Not evidence that those beliefs are valid.
Many regimes have attached themselves to that evidence because, though they themselves aren't interested they know that it soothes the emotional wounds of the many and so they have reluctantly accepted it as an acceptable way to hold their peoples together, under their terms of iniquity imposed upon that teaching...this is further evidence...
Of what exectly, since you have said yourself that this would be about holding people together and nothing about the validity of a faith.
.. plus the modern insight which states that we, as a people, are only like a pimple on the universal knowledge of science, which has many more truths to throw at us...but, apparently, we must be receptive.
Yes we should be receptive to the ideas of science.
Not even solid, stout, outspoken disbelievers, can prevent the truth from coming out because science is indisputable and the Holy Bible is an overview of God's science...and righteousness isn't to high a price to pay for that universal knowledge.
Only in your unusual beliefs.
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Unfortunately I'm not free to ignore truth Maeght/Walter...even if many can't see that truth. You have the Holy Bible warning you of impending danger...many observers saying there is a danger approaching of the sort described in the Holy Bible...the so called elite building massive escape hatches and little old me saying the best, in fact the only protection freely available to us is Jesus Christ's righteous teaching...just as he told us...I don't need to be too insistant because the unrighteous will just have to go with the flow.
People have predicted dire times ahead for centuries.
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People have predicted dire times ahead for centuries.
The way I'm reading things is that there are many reports of approaching rogue planetary bodies heading this way with properties able to inflict Biblically described clout...and the so-called elite are taking it seriously...whilst playing it all down to avoid panic and interference with their plans...Their plans wont include you or I.
Fortunately, we to have advanced warning...if we believe it. But there is a cost...we must align ourselves with the dictates of the authority which is offering that salvation. In fact, it is in following their second in charge, accurately, which will build the spiritual armour required...but this will all be double dutch to the uninitiated.
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How to get a Bible translator emotionally disturbed? Tell 'em the NWT is the ultimate in 'accurate' 'dynamic' translations. Note: Wear a face mask....you need to avoid the resultant spit...... Here's a vasic link to the various 'deceptions' in the NWT. Whether one believes in Christianity or no, one cannot fail to be disturbed by the blatant mistranslation of what is supposed to be Christianity's founding document. http://www.ukapologetics.net/newworld.html
Though I find some errors in the Jehovah Witness teachings I find many more in the various other versions.
This is why I say, over and over again...follow the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...as he taught us, as he spoke it and as he lived it. I've tried and can say positively that it is the surface rendition of a deep and wonderful science. A science that says that all the dynamic energy that is compressed into atoms into stars and into galaxies is the same material which is also God's Living Waters...and as this is a quencher of thirsts that no other nourishment can reach, it might be wise to consider what Jesus says here rather than Anchorman.
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The way I'm reading things is that there are many reports of approaching rogue planetary bodies heading this way
Reports made by con men and you have been conned. Well and truly conned. Accurately conned.
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The way I'm reading things is that there are many reports of approaching rogue planetary bodies heading this way with properties able to inflict Biblically described clout...
What unreliable websites have you been reading?
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Reports made by con men and you have been conned. Well and truly conned. Accurately conned.
Perhaps I have another source of evidence Seb...like the planet shifting within its magnetic bonds...like climate change..like a surge in earthquakes and, dare I say it, food shortages in diverse places. These are all indicators of a powerful alteration in the good order of our, or, rather, God's planet...not to mention in the Holy Bible.
Pretty soon Seb. you yourself will probably be a source of that evidence because I reckon we will all be witnesses to it...but you might find then that it is too late.
Do you see how we keep going over old ground...circular argument. I will always answer according to my belief whilst you just keep saying you don't believe and I'm quite sure that there isn't any seriousness in your questioning...still, some silent viewers might see the reasoning that the Holy Bible supports even if iniquity doesn't.
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What unreliable websites have you been reading?
I refer you to the message above in answer to Seb.
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Though I find some errors in the Jehovah Witness teachings I find many more in the various other versions. This is why I say, over and over again...follow the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...as he taught us, as he spoke it and as he lived it. I've tried and can say positively that it is the surface rendition of a deep and wonderful science. A science that says that all the dynamic energy that is compressed into atoms into stars and into galaxies is the same material which is also God's Living Waters...and as this is a quencher of thirsts that no other nourishment can reach, it might be wise to consider what Jesus says here rather than Anchorman. Er...... Sorry; NM. I was unaware that you were a linguistic expert, and that your knowledge of Hebrew, Koine Greek and Aramaic was better than those who have studied these languages at acedemic level, and found NWT to be deceitful - willfully mistranslated by an organisation which tries to pervert Scripture to suit their own theology.
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What unreliable websites have you been reading?
The Nabiru post?
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I refer you to the message above in answer to Seb.
Which doesn't answer my question.
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ippy/Maeght...
You have convinced yourselves that there is no God and refuse to entertain the idea that there is...The mistake you are all making...including Floo is in thinking that that God and Jesus are an age old myth not worth bothering about and refusing to see a very advanced Deity that is playing out a plan from which they wont deviate.
This is proven by science especially as the Drake Equation positively states there is a strong possibility that other life forms are alive in this universe...many of them living on planets in the Milky Way...and according to other eye-witnesses they have this planet under surveillance.
This possibility automatically means that their level of intelligence is far greater than ours and could see things totally different to us.
The plan appears to be to warn the population on this planet of an impending danger and telling us that there is a way of protecting ourselves...the same way Jesus did from an event that carried the same dangers.
One thing we can be certain of if we accept the science and eye-witness accounts is that these visitors have a leader and Jesus was full of the authority of this leader calling him Almighty God.
If you want to know more about that leader from Heaven you must read the reports left behind by them after they actively interacted with people on this planet...it's all in the Holy Bible...but the choice is yours.
Nick, now read this very carefully, I haven't convinced myself that your god doesn't exist.
I haven't seen any verifiable evidence that would hold water and at the same time prove for once and all that your god does exist.
Due to the complete absence of verifiable evidence for any such thing as a god, I can't imagine why there would be any sensible reason to go looking for one.
This bible that you hold in great store, is as I understand a collection of stories including references to your Jesus, your god and various other supposedly supernatural beings, beings like this god of yours Jesus etc; bearing the former in mind, where is the verifiable evidence that proves these stories of supernatural happenings etc are actually based on actual events that did really happen?
I have to admit your Jesus bloke probably did exist but like the rest of your book, there is no verifiable proof that he did or said any of the things conveyed in this book, he may well have been a good man but no more a good man than say Nelson Mandela and no more a son of your god than Nelson is.
Nelson was a pain to those in charge and was seen by these authorities as a thorn in the side, Jesus was probably seen in a similar way to the Romans this time and found him to be a pain that was disturbing the smooth running of whatever it was they were trying to achieve; even so there is still no verifiable evidence that he was anything more than a pain in the arse that made the Romans feel that they had to do something with him.
You still haven't come up with anything near to showing evidence that could be verified to be true about the magical, mystical and superstition based parts of your book.
And Nick you can't be so thick as to believe the bible proves the bible, if you do, really do, think this I feel so genuinely very very sorry for you Nick.
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Pretty soon Seb. you yourself will probably be a source of that evidence because I reckon we will all be witnesses to it...
Sorry Nick but you have lost me there.
What is it that I am going to be a witness to?
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Though I find some errors in the Jehovah Witness teachings I find many more in the various other versions.
I presume you're referring to the New World Translation of the Jehovah's Witnesses, compared to other translations of the Bible. Since you claim to be a scholar who is capable of assessing the accuracy of various biblical translations, perhaps you could translate the following Hebrew texts for us (I have transliterated the Hebrew characters into English letters, since I can't reproduce the original Hebrew characters here: perhaps Anchorman can):
"drk auil ishr boiniu ushmo lotze chkm"
"lshun chkmin thitib doth uphi ksilim ibio aulth"
"la -ichphtz ksil bthbune ki am -bethgluth lbu"
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I presume you're referring to the New World Translation of the Jehovah's Witnesses, compared to other translations of the Bible. Since you claim to be a scholar who is capable of assessing the accuracy of various biblical translations, perhaps you could translate the following Hebrew texts for us (I have transliterated the Hebrew characters into English letters, since I can't reproduce the original Hebrew characters here: perhaps Anchorman can):
"drk auil ishr boiniu ushmo lotze chkm"
"lshun chkmin thitib doth uphi ksilim ibio aulth"
"la -ichphtz ksil bthbune ki am -bethgluth lbu"
I'm old enough (just) to have met the great Bible Scholar and teacher Rev William Barclay.
OK, he could be carnaptious, charming, grumpy and hilariously funny as the mood took him, but one thing guaranteed to REALLY anger him was mention of JWs - as an organisation.
They did a savage cut-and-paste of his review of the NWT, which ridiculed, trounced and rejected it in the kind of scholarly tones only Willie could use - and the article the JWs printed made it look as if he had cordially ENDORSED the thing.
If a group that called itself Christian could blatantly lie with abandon over something like that, no-one should take any doctrinal statement of theirs at face value.
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If a group that called itself Christian could blatantly lie with abandon over something like that, no-one should take any doctrinal statement of theirs at face value.
I wouldn't expect anything more from an organisation whose evangelising techniques seem to derive from American hard-sell business methods. But, as you can probably gather, 'accurate' doctrine doesn't bother me that much, since many clever minds throughout history (I don't mean JWs) have been able to derive such different and contradictory teachings from the Bible.
However, arsing about from door to door, and standing around on street corners doesn't strike me as the best way of "healing the sick, clothing the naked, visiting those in prison and feeding the hungry" (to paraphrase Matthew).
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I wouldn't expect anything more from an organisation whose evangelising techniques seem to derive from American hard-sell business methods. But, as you can probably gather, 'accurate' doctrine doesn't bother me that much, since many clever minds throughout history (I don't mean JWs) have been able to derive such different and contradictory teachings from the Bible.
However, arsing about from door to door, and standing around on street corners doesn't strike me as the best way of "healing the sick, clothing the naked, visiting those in prison and feeding the hungry" (to paraphrase Matthew).
The Jehovah Witness faith doesn't need me to defend them. The Holy Bible will decide that issue because we must all try to read it accurately and many are being guided by others, other than Jesus...much of which is iniquity and if we remember what Jesus said about iniquity, it is important to ensure we get it right.
Science helps us because the science, built upon righteousness, guides us, and keeps us on track and righteous science is what Jesus taught us.
666 is a declaration which identifies those who will not be saved just as Revelation 21:8 does, but the difference is that some of these latter ones who repent can still be saved. It's all a question of quietly and carefully, honestly and responsibly, reattaching ourselves to God's Living Waters...through Jesus Christ's accurate teaching.
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"Accurately". With respect, NM, you throw that word around like a blunderbus gun firing lead shot, in the hope that at least one pellet will hit home. The disgraceful wreck which is the New WEorld Translation translated with deliberate lies, falsehoods and misdirection by a committee, none of whose linguistic abilities is known, to suit a group's theology, is about as far from accuracy as you can get. Would you REALLY praise a group which willfully mistranslated Gods' word in an effort to make it suit their theology? Really? That's about as far from 'scientific' or 'accurate' as it's possible to go!
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"Accurately". With respect, NM, you throw that word around like a blunderbus gun firing lead shot, in the hope that at least one pellet will hit home. The disgraceful wreck which is the New WEorld Translation translated with deliberate lies, falsehoods and misdirection by a committee, none of whose linguistic abilities is known, to suit a group's theology, is about as far from accuracy as you can get. Would you REALLY praise a group which willfully mistranslated Gods' word in an effort to make it suit their theology? Really? That's about as far from 'scientific' or 'accurate' as it's possible to go!
I don't see it the way you do Anchorman...but that isn't my point...use your own Bible...read exclusively what Jesus is saying, doing, and dying for...then allow what he says to permeate your own thinking and begin to feel the release from so much contrived alteration to keep iniquity in business. It isn't a game...it is attaching yourself to God's Living Waters for the purpose of salvation...only Jesus Christ offers that salvation and only on Almighty God's righteous terms. Don't worry about others, worry about you and yours first...then you might be able to help others.
Now you can't dis that and expect to be close to Jesus.
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666 is a declaration which identifies those who will not be saved
How exactly will someone know that 666 has identified them as not going to be saved.
Someone other than me Nick, how will they know, accurately.
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How exactly will someone know that 666 has identified them as not going to be saved.
Someone other than me Nick, how will they know, accurately.
I don't put you in the 666 category yet Seb...These are those who unquestionably follow the philosophy of Satan...and believe me...they know who they are. As yet, I suggest, that you can still repent, if you want to.
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I don't put you in the 666 category yet Seb...These are those who unquestionably follow the philosophy of Satan...and believe me...they know who they are. As yet, I suggest, that you can still repent, if you want to.
If Satan exists he must love you as you do all his work for him, by making the faith a joke!
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If Satan exists he must love you as you do all his work for him, by making the faith a joke!
Jesus had a remark for such an accusation...he said...Does Satan condemn Satan...or words to that effect...Floo.
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Jesus had a remark for such an accusation...he said...Does Satan condemn Satan...or words to that effect...Floo.
Maybe you are Satan. ;D
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I don't put you in the 666 category yet Seb...These are those who unquestionably follow the philosophy of Satan...and believe me...they know who they are. As yet, I suggest, that you can still repent, if you want to.
Well actually Nick I find it hard to believe you, so just to help me, please indicate how, exactly and accurately, the category of people that you have described, 'know who they are'?
And whilst you are in a helpful mode, maybe you could tell me, how, exactly and accurately, ( if, heaven forbid I also fall into the 666 category in the future) I would know?
Because I might not spot it without your help on this and if I do then I could do something about it, couldn't I? :-\
Is it exactly the same for everyone eg adults a and children, men and women?
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Maybe you are Satan. ;D
Maybe I'm the prophet sent to bring those that can be saved back into the fold before it's to late...Floo...but encouraging you all to read Jesus Christ's accurate word instead of iniquity's, tells me, I'm certainly doing what every Bible student should be telling everyone who has an ear to do...that is...if they are trimming their lamps to meet the bridegroom as Jesus instructed.
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Maybe I'm the prophet sent to bring those that can be saved back into the fold before it's to late
Nah, that was the true last prophet, Muhammad.
Which of course you would know if you had read the Quran, quietly and and calmly and accurately! You haven't done that yet have you? ::)
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Well actually Nick I find it hard to believe you, so just to help me, please indicate how, exactly and accurately, the category of people that you have described, 'know who they are'?
And whilst you are in a helpful mode, maybe you could tell me, how, exactly and accurately, ( if, heaven forbid I also fall into the 666 category in the future) I would know?
Because I might not spot it without your help on this and if I do then I could do something about it, couldn't I? :-\
Is it exactly the same for everyone eg adults a and children, men and women?
Well Seb...we have already said that 666 is a philosophy. It is held by those who lead the masses by hope and expectation whilst simply bathing in the emotional turmoil of their failure to deliver. You may think these are few but I can tell you they are many. Bullying is the name of the game. I have already given you enough information which tags wife beaters, baby bashers, and various other types of bullying...like what is in the news today about football coaches and those who follow the philosophy of Jimmy Savile...it's all about stealing the internal emotional strength of their victims and leaves a target emotionally traumatized for life.
Roll this out across the world and we get a feeling for the depth of the horrors that Almighty God is going to deal with via his number 666.
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Well Seb...we have already said that 666 is a philosophy. It is held by those who lead the masses by hope and expectation whilst simply bathing in the emotional turmoil of their failure to deliver. You may think these are few but I can tell you they are many. Bullying is the name of the game. I have already given you enough information which tags wife beaters, baby bashers, and various other types of bullying...like what is in the news today about football coaches and those who follow the philosophy of Jimmy Savile...it's all about stealing the internal emotional strength of their victims and leaves a target emotionally traumatized for life.
Roll this out across the world and we get a feeling for the depth of the horrors that Almighty God is going to deal with via his number 666.
"we"?
Which "We" have claimed 666 as a philosophy, exactly?
Links, please.
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Well Seb...we have already said that 666 is a philosophy. It is held by those who lead the masses by hope and expectation whilst simply bathing in the emotional turmoil of their failure to deliver. You may think these are few but I can tell you they are many. Bullying is the name of the game. I have already given you enough information which tags wife beaters, baby bashers, and various other types of bullying...like what is in the news today about football coaches and those who follow the philosophy of Jimmy Savile...it's all about stealing the internal emotional strength of their victims and leaves a target emotionally traumatized for life.
Roll this out across the world and we get a feeling for the depth of the horrors that Almighty God is going to deal with via his number 666.
'We' haven't said anything!
You might have though, are you a bit confused today?
Possibly, as you have not really, well, even tried to answer my queries, have you?
It's a bit like watching a bullying snake oil salesman at work, Nick.
Soothing words, but only in attempting to get me to 'look the other way' whilst avoiding the point.
Unfortunately for you , I noticed!
here is my query again, ..........
......... so just to help me, please indicate how, exactly and accurately, the category of people that you have described, 'know who they are'?
And whilst you are in a helpful mode, maybe you could tell me, how, exactly and accurately, ( if, heaven forbid I also fall into the 666 category in the future) I would know?
Because I might not spot it without your help on this and if I do then I could do something about it, couldn't I? :-\
Is it exactly the same for everyone eg adults a and children, men and women?
........lets see if you can address the very important points Nick, because my soul and others are at stake and you seem yo be playing fast and loose with some really important information which might save those poor unfortunates.
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Maybe I'm the prophet sent to bring those that can be saved back into the fold before it's to late...Floo...but encouraging you all to read Jesus Christ's accurate word instead of iniquity's, tells me, I'm certainly doing what every Bible student should be telling everyone who has an ear to do...that is...if they are trimming their lamps to meet the bridegroom as Jesus instructed.
Oh dear NM, it is really sad if you believe that to be true! :( Your stance on religion is weird and freaky. Far from making people wanting to see it from your POV, it is a complete turn off!
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"we"?
Which "We" have claimed 666 as a philosophy, exactly?
Links, please.
Me, Isaiah and all those who are oppressed and bullied by those who are spiritually tattooed by that number
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Oh dear NM, it is really sad if you believe that to be true! :( Your stance on religion is weird and freaky. Far from making people wanting to see it from your POV, it is a complete turn off!
You've never been mis-led then Floo by some who have been following the dictates of that philosophy and which has made you deeply offended by any mention of Jesus Christ's name...hmmm...I must be wrong then.
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'We' haven't said anything!
You might have though, are you a bit confused today?
Possibly, as you have not really, well, even tried to answer my queries, have you?
It's a bit like watching a bullying snake oil salesman at work, Nick.
Soothing words, but only in attempting to get me to 'look the other way' whilst avoiding the point.
Unfortunately for you , I noticed!
here is my query again, ..........
......... so just to help me, please indicate how, exactly and accurately, the category of people that you have described, 'know who they are'?
And whilst you are in a helpful mode, maybe you could tell me, how, exactly and accurately, ( if, heaven forbid I also fall into the 666 category in the future) I would know?
Because I might not spot it without your help on this and if I do then I could do something about it, couldn't I? :-\
Is it exactly the same for everyone eg adults a and children, men and women?
........lets see if you can address the very important points Nick, because my soul and others are at stake and you seem yo be playing fast and loose with some really important information which might save those poor unfortunates.
If you had the fluency of mind Seb that comes with righteous instruction you would know that I have more than answered your question whilst you are simply resorting to type and show that though all around you is impending danger you will bite the head off any offer of help because you know best.
That's ok...righteousness can only work with those who are receptive to it.
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Me, Isaiah and all those who are oppressed and bullied by those who are spiritually tattooed by that number
You are not being oppressed and bullied, you are the one making threats! >:(
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You've never been mis-led then Floo by some who have been following the dictates of that philosophy and which has made you deeply offended by any mention of Jesus Christ's name...hmmm...I must be wrong then.
I am old enough to make up my own mind about religion.
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emotionally traumatized for life.
Roll this out across the world and we get a feeling for the depth of the horrors that Almighty God is going to deal with via his number 666.
God's number? I'm sure the text reads that 666 is the number of The Beast, and it is a man's number.
By the way, Nick, did you know that the planet Vulcan has now been proved to exist, and that Einstein's calculations were wrong? It had been all the time been obscured by Wormwood...
P.S.
Any chance of your translating the Hebrew phrases I penned a little way back, just to prove your scholastic credentials?
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Me, Isaiah and all those who are oppressed and bullied by those who are spiritually tattooed by that number
Where in Isaiah is 666 mentioned, please?
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If you had the fluency of mind Seb that comes with righteous instruction you would know that I have more than answered your question whilst you are simply resorting to type and show that though all around you is impending danger you will bite the head off any offer of help because you know best.
That's ok...righteousness can only work with those who are receptive to it.
I have the fluency of mind to know that you have anything but answered the question Nick. Unfortunately you don't seem to care about my salvation or any others either. All you want to do is plug your own take on 'science'.
Very sad Nick.
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I'm just watching the film Superman on the telly .
Now I know where Nick gets all his confusion from , the story line is almost the same as what he posts on here.
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I'm just watching the film Superman on the telly .
Now I know where Nick gets all his confusion from , the story line is almost the same as what he posts on here.
Superman eh?
Walter........might you be talking a load of "Perry White"?
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Where in Isaiah is 666 mentioned, please?
Well...Anchorman...as I have already pointed out, Isaiah...a man...talks about God administering recompense on all his enemies, (Isaiah 66:6) and Revelation happens to point out that 666 is the number that incorporates the number of the beast and that beast, by consolidating both passages, is made up of all God's enemies...each member like living cells in that beasts body...and they must all think alike...so their philosophy must all be the same, and as I have pointed out the philosophy of evil is, in various forms, entrenched in bullying...the stealing of other peoples vital inner strength by ruthless tactics.
Needless to say Jesus Christ teaches a way of life diametrically opposed to bullying...in any way, shape or form...and much more besides.
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So the number does not occcur in Isaiah. Not very 'accurate', then.
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So the number does not occcur in Isaiah. Not very 'accurate', then.
I think that the analogy is wonderfully accurate Anchorman...but it is the background knowledge that it all contains like the suffering of the Jews and the suffering of those at the hands of Jimmy Savile...not to mention the young hopefuls being abused by football coaches stealing the innocence of their charges. We could go on and on into many walks of life showing that this sort of abuse is very harmful leaving life-time effects and with knock-on effects which no one seems to be able to get to grips with...neither can I...but Jesus Christ can if we follow him accurately...he can rebuild us stronger than we ever were before and the bully will simply fall by the wayside like so much chaff in a breeze.
And those that condemn Almighty God and Jesus Christ for not being with them at difficult times will see that they were there all the time just waiting for us to be receptive to their help.
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So the number does not occcur in Isaiah. Not very 'accurate', then.
its actually 999
he's using his emergency services leaflet as a bookmark in his bible, but its upside down!
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...but Jesus Christ can if we follow him accurately...
But Anchorman keeps telling you that the translation which you use as your guide is extremely inaccurate. If this is true, you are in no position to state what following Christ "accurately" means. Do you really think Anchorman is lying to you?
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Well...Anchorman...as I have already pointed out, Isaiah...a man...talks about God administering recompense on all his enemies, (Isaiah 66:6) and Revelation happens to point out that 666 is the number that incorporates the number of the beast and that beast, by consolidating both passages, is made up of all God's enemies...each member like living cells in that beasts body...and they must all think alike...so their philosophy must all be the same, and as I have pointed out the philosophy of evil is, in various forms, entrenched in bullying...the stealing of other peoples vital inner strength by ruthless tactics.
Needless to say Jesus Christ teaches a way of life diametrically opposed to bullying...in any way, shape or form...and much more besides.
But you need to take note of Matthew 7: 21-23
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I think that the analogy is wonderfully accurate Anchorman...but it is the background knowledge that it all contains like the suffering of the Jews and the suffering of those at the hands of Jimmy Savile...not to mention the young hopefuls being abused by football coaches stealing the innocence of their charges. We could go on and on into many walks of life showing that this sort of abuse is very harmful leaving life-time effects and with knock-on effects which no one seems to be able to get to grips with...neither can I...but Jesus Christ can if we follow him accurately...he can rebuild us stronger than we ever were before and the bully will simply fall by the wayside like so much chaff in a breeze.
And those that condemn Almighty God and Jesus Christ for not being with them at difficult times will see that they were there all the time just waiting for us to be receptive to their help.
Flinging the word 'accurate' into every statement - even when you cannot find any accuracy - is daft, NM.
I asked if the number 666 occurs in the book in question.
As you well know, it does not.
Therefore the only 'accurate' answer would be 'No'.
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Flinging the word 'accurate' into every statement - even when you cannot find any accuracy - is daft, NM.
If you fling in 'science', 'bully', 'circular', 'Wormwood' and 'dynamic' then you have the basics for all Nick style examples of a sentence/paragraph/phrase/thesis etc. ::)
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Flinging the word 'accurate' into every statement - even when you cannot find any accuracy - is daft, NM.
I asked if the number 666 occurs in the book in question.
As you well know, it does not.
Therefore the only 'accurate' answer would be 'No'.
66:6 identifies the statement in Isaiah that I refer to, Anchorman...All God's Enemies. Now, it is a final Judgement statement because it incorporates 'all' God's enemies...there is not one extra nor one less but all of them.
Now...you may not like my interpretation but it is a valid interpretation...drawn from the Holy Bible...and it makes enormous sense to me...else I wouldn't have published it.
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You have been told that 66.6 has no part in the text, NM. The text, as given to the Jews and as part of our Scriptures, only received the numbers in the middle ages - from a Roman Catholic monastic scholar, if you must know. Why do you try to associate the medieval number with the original - where it did not, in fact, exist?
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But you need to take note of Matthew 7: 21-23
Read it specially for you Dicky...now...please show me my error in stating...'follow Jesus Christ accurately, as he taught us, showed us, and died for us, then was resurrected for us'. Personally I see no righteous fault there but it highlights an awful lot of iniquity and Jesus certainly isn't very keen on iniquity...he made that very clear.
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You have been told that 66.6 has no part in the text, NM. The text, as given to the Jews and as part of our Scriptures, only received the numbers in the middle ages - from a Roman Catholic monastic scholar, if you must know. Why do you try to associate the medieval number with the original - where it did not, in fact, exist?
Because my God has the ability to define future events and build this advanced knowledge into his word before it happens. I'm quite happy to accept that there are other accurate interpretations but that doesn't make mine any the less valid.
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Because my God has the ability to define future events and build this advanced knowledge into his word before it happens. I'm quite happy to accept that there are other accurate interpretations but that doesn't make mine any the less valid.
The only 'accurate' answer to the question "Does 666 occur in Isaiah's prophecy is "No".
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The only 'accurate' answer to the question "Does 666 occur in Isaiah's prophecy is "No".
You are saying that Almighty God has no ability to look into the future and tell us about things that will occur in the future Anchorman whilst I have contained that ability in this reasoning. Just as he also forewarned us that he will guide us to his Living Waters at his appointed time in the future and it has got to be that Jesus had already taught us about it but we were, then, too ignorant to know what he meant.
Well...if we stretch our minds around science and Jesus' accurate teaching we find it is already and invisibly staring us in the face...but we have got to follow Jesus accurately to attach ourselves to it and if we do it right all of Jesus' promises are encapsulated within it...we just need righteous accuracy as befitting a modern science...which...of course...it is.
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You are saying that Almighty God has no ability to look into the future and tell us about things that will occur in the future Anchorman whilst I have contained that ability in this reasoning. Just as he also forewarned us that he will guide us to his Living Waters at his appointed time in the future and it has got to be that Jesus had already taught us about it but we were, then, too ignorant to know what he meant.
Well...if we stretch our minds around science and Jesus' accurate teaching we find it is already and invisibly staring us in the face...but we have got to follow Jesus accurately to attach ourselves to it and if we do it right all of Jesus' promises are encapsulated within it...we just need righteous accuracy as befitting a modern science...which...of course...it is.
No, I'm saying that the number 666 does not occur in the text of the book of Isaiah.
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You are saying that Almighty God has no ability to look into the future and tell us about things that will occur in the future Anchorman whilst I have contained that ability in this reasoning. Just as he also forewarned us that he will guide us to his Living Waters at his appointed time in the future and it has got to be that Jesus had already taught us about it but we were, then, too ignorant to know what he meant.
Well...if we stretch our minds around science and Jesus' accurate teaching we find it is already and invisibly staring us in the face...but we have got to follow Jesus accurately to attach ourselves to it and if we do it right all of Jesus' promises are encapsulated within it...we just need righteous accuracy as befitting a modern science...which...of course...it is.
No, I'm saying that the number 666 does not occur in the text of the book of Isaiah.
Only by implication Anchorman. But that doesn't mean it isn't there.
Rev 13:18.
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding calculate the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
Isaiah 66:6
A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the Lord that rendereth recompence to his enemies.
Isaiah...a man...clearly makes a Judgmental statement about those who are covered by that number in Revelation and my point stands.
The fact that all those represented by that number are each living-cells in the make-up of that beast who will come alive and frighten all those unprepared for the last days and chase them around wildly, is yet to be seen, but it is the only behaviour they are capable of and will not have any other method of rule so it is up to the more discerning to prepare for such events...by taking in the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.
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Only by implication Anchorman. But that doesn't mean it isn't there.
Rev 13:18.
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding calculate the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
Isaiah 66:6
A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the Lord that rendereth recompence to his enemies.
Isaiah...a man...clearly makes a Judgmental statement about those who are covered by that number in Revelation and my point stands.
The fact that all those represented by that number are each living-cells in the make-up of that beast who will come alive and frighten all those unprepared for the last days and chase them around wildly, is yet to be seen, but it is the only behaviour they are capable of and will not have any other method of rule so it is up to the more discerning to prepare for such events...by taking in the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.
ISAIAH 66v6 NOT 666! You make it all up, which is the equivalent to telling porkies! ::)
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ISAIAH 66v6 NOT 666! You make it all up, which is the equivalent to telling porkies! ::)
No Floo...I'm using my wisdom and understanding.
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Only by implication Anchorman. But that doesn't mean it isn't there.
Rev 13:18.
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding calculate the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
Isaiah 66:6
A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the Lord that rendereth recompence to his enemies.
Isaiah...a man...clearly makes a Judgmental statement about those who are covered by that number in Revelation and my point stands.
The fact that all those represented by that number are each living-cells in the make-up of that beast who will come alive and frighten all those unprepared for the last days and chase them around wildly, is yet to be seen, but it is the only behaviour they are capable of and will not have any other method of rule so it is up to the more discerning to prepare for such events...by taking in the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.
No, if the number 666 is not mentioned in Isaiah, then the number 666 does not occur in Isaiah.
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No Floo...I'm using my wisdom and understanding.
YEH RIGHT, in other words you haven't a clue what you are talking about, which is obvious to others but sadly not to you. ::)
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An interesting thing is that Isaiah is made up of 66 chapters (edit: I'm not saying that has any relation to the number 666), which is the same as the number of books in the Bible. Moreover, Isaiah is clearly divided into two sections: the first 39 and last 27 chapters. This is the same as the number of books in the old and new testaments.
I'd suggest, though, that a more accurate place to start in interpreting Revelation 13:18 would be in old testament passages where the number 6 is emphasised. Solomon, during the latter part of his reign, disobeyed Moses' commands not to accumulate wealth. We're told he had an anual income of 666 talents of gold. There is also the dimensions of the image of gold set up by Nebuchadnezzar: 60 cubits high and 6 cubits wide. Also note some of the measurements given for the Philistine giants, such as Goliath and the four others mentioned.
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666 is a mere number like all the rest, and has no significance apart from in the mild of the gullible, imo.
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An interesting thing is that Isaiah is made up of 66 chapters, which is the same as the number of books in the Bible. Moreover, Isaiah is clearly divided into two sections: the first 39 and last 27 chapters. This is the same as the number of books in the old and new testaments.
I'd suggest, though, that a more accurate place to start in interpreting Revelation 13:18 would be in old testament passages where the number 6 is emphasised. Solomon, during the latter part of his reign, disobeyed Moses' commands not to accumulate wealth. We're told he had an anual income of 666 talents of gold. There is also the dimensions of the image of gold set up by Nebuchadnezzar: 60 cubits high and 6 cubits wide. Also note some of the measurements given for the Philistine giants, such as Goliath and the four others mentioned.
Thanks for that Spud. Perhaps 666 has a multiple of correct interpretations...but I like mine because it occurred to me and fits in neatly with the righteous story I have to re-tell.
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It's not about whether we like an interpretation, but whether it is 'accurate', wouldn't you agree? If it fits with your story and edifies you, that is good, but it might be wise not to expect everyone to benefit from it.
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If a person's belief system gives them comfort, no problem. It becomes a problem when they use it as a means of threatening people who don't subscribe to their POV.
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Read it specially for you Dicky...now...please show me my error in stating...'follow Jesus Christ accurately, as he taught us, showed us, and died for us, then was resurrected for us'. Personally I see no righteous fault there but it highlights an awful lot of iniquity and Jesus certainly isn't very keen on iniquity...he made that very clear.
Well no doubt you consider yourself as one of the 'righteous' (even though the scriptures you believe in warn you against being too cocksure), but most of us here, I think, are having quite a problem with just how you understand 'accurately'. I see a very great deal of inaccuracy in your whole approach.
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If you fling in 'science', 'bully', 'circular', 'Wormwood' and 'dynamic' then you have the basics for all Nick style examples of a sentence/paragraph/phrase/thesis etc. ::)
You forgot "according to my calculations"
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It's not about whether we like an interpretation, but whether it is 'accurate', wouldn't you agree? If it fits with your story and edifies you, that is good,.
It is not good if such speculations cause massive ego inflation, to the extent that the individual thinks he is a prophet inspired by God. I don't think even Joseph Smith started that way - he eventually came to believe his own lies, and I don't think that was such a good thing.
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It might help if you realise that 'dynamic energy' isn't a new concept. It's a deliberate fraud perpetrated by the Watchtower shower - in order to make the Bible read according to their ideas, rather than what the original language in which the texts were written actually says.
But the text have nothing to do with the definition of the bible and how it relates to God in Christ and the body of Christ.
KJV Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the Lord unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the Lord of hosts.
Every word of God came not from man but by the power of the Holy Spirit.
Text, language, even the times are not relevant only the teacher and teachings of Gods Spirit.
If Nick has said he is not a Jehovahs witness then why do you persist in making suggestions that appear you believe he is?
Elementary beliefs show that even Christs words were Spirit.
Unless you have something other than those teachings of the Prophet's, Christ and the disciples relating to the Words given by God from the Holy Spirit then why not just allow the truth to reign instead of your world scholar views?
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If a person's belief system gives them comfort, no problem. It becomes a problem when they use it as a means of threatening people who don't subscribe to their POV.
I agree with Nick in what he says about following Jesus, but I have a problem with the constant use of words like accurately and righteous. I don't understand why he thinks this is necessary. There is also a big problem in that he says the end of the world is about to occur. Actually I at one point thought this because a good friend of mine, a lady in her 80s, told me that God had told her she would not die before Jesus came back. Not having access to much study material at the time - it was before the internet - I assumed this was true because she is a very truthful person. Whilst God may indeed have said this to her, it would contradict Jesus' teaching that no one knows the day, if she expected someone else to believe it. At the time though I was quite affected by it, and people probably thought I was a bit bonkers!
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If Nick has said he is not a Jehovahs witness then why do you persist in making suggestions that appear you believe he is?
I certainly don't see Anchorman making those suggestions.
What I do see is him questioning Nick as to why he seems to be using the JW version of the bible to back up his 'accurate' teaching, when the NWT has some quite dodgy history.
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I certainly don't see Anchorman making those suggestions.
What I do see is him questioning Nick as to why he seems to be using the JW version of the bible to back up his 'accurate' teaching, when the NWT has some quite dodgy history.
Very dodgy. It is reasonable to suggest only people using that version of the Bible have sympathy with the JW POV.
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Sass: I make no suggestions that NM is a JW (Though he seems to admire their theology.) Yet again you are under a misconception.
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I agree with Nick in what he says about following Jesus, but I have a problem with the constant use of words like accurately and righteous. I don't understand why he thinks this is necessary. There is also a big problem in that he says the end of the world is about to occur. Actually I at one point thought this because a good friend of mine, a lady in her 80s, told me that God had told her she would not die before Jesus came back. Not having access to much study material at the time - it was before the internet - I assumed this was true because she is a very truthful person. Whilst God may indeed have said this to her, it would contradict Jesus' teaching that no one knows the day, if she expected someone else to believe it. At the time though I was quite affected by it, and people probably thought I was a bit bonkers!
have you grown up now?, I used to believe in father christmas
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Very dodgy. It is reasonable to suggest only people using that version of the Bible have sympathy with the JW POV.
Having sympathy with the ideals and actually belonging to the group are two completely different things floo.
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My interpretation is built from a simple understanding which can't really be argued against. Everything Biblical revolves around a wonderful spiritual condition which lies behind all universal knowledge which states clearly... Almighty God is the living voice of the entire superabundance of all the energy contained within all atoms and which built those atoms, whether in the form of stars or of galaxies or in the form of light or all electromagnetic activity. Not just the voice of all that energy but a living limb of all that energy...a state earned by putting righteousness above any other principle or understanding.
It also becomes easy to understand that it is this atomic behavior that gives birth to living cells and it is the same atomic behavior that gives health and happiness or illness and destruction as well. But as well as this it is the same set of laws which gives us the ability to harness this indestructible spiritual energy and develop it into a force with our name stamped upon it which can be resurrected...not because I say so but because Jesus Christ says so...but those who can't or wont follow his accurate teaching will find that the science wont work because they have never made the right moves which make the science work.
Because the material that is behind all this energy is invisible, like Almighty God, many have decided it doesn't exist, but, like God, we will soon all realise that it is indisputable because science will soon have to concede this point...but stubbornness to accept it from Jesus Christ's own teaching might mean that some will leave it too late.
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I used to believe in father christmas
Trust you to spoil my Christmas. Anyway I saw him in a Department Store last year and he might be there again this year.
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Having sympathy with the ideals and actually belonging to the group are two completely different things floo.
Many Jehovah's Witnesses are very righteous people...but God's Judgement will be the same for believers and non-believers...they will either be righteous or unrighteous...and Revelation 21:8 is clear about those who will be saved and those who wont be...Those that will be saved must certainly be those who are following Jesus, accurately, as he alone taught us and as he alone showed us...any deviation is iniquity.
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My interpretation is built from a simple understanding .......
Not sure it is to be honest.
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Not sure it is to be honest.
That the entire universe is made from a simple, invisible, indestructible, and superabundant dynamic energy written into the Holy Bible and which has always been and always will be.
Sounds simple to me.
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That the entire universe is made from a simple, invisible, indestructible, and superabundant dynamic energy written into the Holy Bible and which has always been and always will be.
Sounds simple to me.
simple.
now there's a word
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Many Jehovah's Witnesses are very righteous people...but God's Judgement will be the same for believers and non-believers...they will either be righteous or unrighteous...and Revelation 21:8 is clear about those who will be saved and those who wont be...Those that will be saved must certainly be those who are following Jesus, accurately, as he alone taught us and as he alone showed us...any deviation is iniquity.
Clear about who they think will be saved and equally clear about who they think wont be, as though this nonsense had anything to do with reality, however don't worry yourself to much about it, I wont.
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My interpretation is built from a simple understanding which can't really be argued against.
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Eh?
Every aspect of faith can be disputed.
Your premis is simply wrong - and I write as a committed Christian.
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It also becomes easy to understand that it is this atomic behavior that gives birth to living cells and it is the same atomic behavior that gives health and happiness or illness and destruction as well. But as well as this it is the same set of laws which gives us the ability to harness this indestructible spiritual energy and develop it into a force with our name stamped upon it which can be resurrected...not because I say so but because Jesus Christ says so...but those who can't or wont follow his accurate teaching will find that the science wont work because they have never made the right moves which make the science work.
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Not one bit of either Biblical - or indeed scientific understanding there, I'm afraid.
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Because the material that is behind all this energy is invisible, like Almighty God, many have decided it doesn't exist, but, like God, we will soon all realise that it is indisputable because science will soon have to concede this point...but stubbornness to accept it from Jesus Christ's own teaching might mean that some will leave it too late.
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Mainstream Christians DO, in fact, accept that God became visible - Incarnate in Christ.
As Paul wrote to the Collosians: "Christ is the visible likeness of the invisible God".
And as John wrote:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.........and the Word became human and lived among us, and we saw His glory...."
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You do like to contradict Jesus, Anchorman...
John 1:18
No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.
John 4:12
No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
John 6:46
No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father.
The Holy Bible cannot be disputed when we realise that the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ is giving us access to God's Living Waters and refusal to take it on board is the reason our genetics are screaming out for help...Do you think Almighty God or Jesus are responsible for all the illness and ailments that the world is suffering from or is it our disobedience to genetic truth??
God's science of righteousness as accurately delivered to us by Jesus Christ says it is the latter. He says he is the way, the truth and the life and righteous science substantiates this.
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I certainly don't see Anchorman making those suggestions.
What I do see is him questioning Nick as to why he seems to be using the JW version of the bible to back up his 'accurate' teaching, when the NWT has some quite dodgy history.
Tell us what those teachings are and how you can say they are are JW.
The truth is that you personally do not see any such thing because you personally know nothing about JW teachings. So you cannot in anyway support Anchorman.
If Anchorman is not in anyway resorting to use that information you assume to be right.
What purpose does it serve if not to make others think Nick is a JW?
I know Nick has been questioned before on this matter so others here know he is not a JW.
But he does have information regarding teachings from most religions.
However, saying that, you don't have the information to know or support Anchormans posts.
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Tell us what those teachings are and how you can say they are are JW.
The truth is that you personally do not see any such thing because you personally know nothing about JW teachings. So you cannot in anyway support Anchorman.
If Anchorman is not in anyway resorting to use that information you assume to be right.
What purpose does it serve if not to make others think Nick is a JW?
I know Nick has been questioned before on this matter so others here know he is not a JW.
But he does have information regarding teachings from most religions.
However, saying that, you don't have the information to know or support Anchormans posts.
Get your head out of your arse.
I know enough about JW teachings to make an informed opinion.
I also know that Nick is not a JW, and I have known that for many years, since the BBC board days.
I can support Anchorman if I fucking well want.
Nobody, especially a supercilious windbag is going to tell me different.
Have a pleasant evening.
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Get your head out of your arse.
Does the truth really annoy you that much that you believe making such a comment hides it?
If you must be annoyed then surely it is with yourself for making comments you haven't the knowledge to support.
I know enough about JW teachings to make an informed opinion.
If you did, you would have provided the teachings Anchorman is referring to as you were asked and explained them.
I also know that Nick is not a JW, and I have known that for many years, since the BBC board days.
So why get involved at all. Why not just make a statement to that fact.
Saying Anchorman you are barking up the wrong tree.
I can support Anchorman if I fucking well want.
You did support Anchorman, the fact was you did not have the knowledge about JW's to support your support.
Nobody, especially a supercilious windbag is going to tell me different.
Your slip is showing. I really have no interest in playground bully tactics and when it comes to JW's and Christianity I can eat you up for breakfast and spit you back out and still know more than you will ever know in your present atheist state.
My mother became a JW for a time when a child she soon left.
Have a pleasant evening.
Just an Evening, I get the pleasant whole day because I am sure about the person I trust in and the fact you don't have the knowledge to support Anchorman regarding this matter.
Hope you start studying now.
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I really have no interest in playground bully tactics and when it comes to JW's and Christianity I can eat you up for breakfast and spit you back out and still know more than you will ever know in your present atheist state.
No irony involved at all.
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Does the truth really annoy you that much that you believe making such a comment hides it?
If you must be annoyed then surely it is with yourself for making comments you haven't the knowledge to support.
I'm not annoyed. I dont get annoyed.
I see that you have not acceded to my request and until you do I will be happy in the knowledge that you are talking from that orifice and your brown spoutings will just be that - a pile of keech.
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I'm not annoyed. I dont get annoyed.
I see that you have not acceded to my request and until you do I will be happy in the knowledge that you are talking from that orifice and your brown spoutings will just be that - a pile of keech.
My goodness how churlish and childish.
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My goodness how churlish and childish.
A statement that would cover your original reply. Thank you.
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In Revelation we are told of the number of the beast…being, 666. It is the number of a man, ...
NM, I think you need to remember that 666 is not the number of a man; its the number of man(kind), according to the system of numerology that Jewish literature used/uses a lot. (I'll do a bit of research to see whethern there are any 7:77 or 77:7 references that suggest that God is evil)
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There are, of course, umpteen interpretations of John's Revelation, and speculation over '666'. Here's a reasonable precis of the book, which, in passing, suggests that the number is simply a rendering of Nero Ceasar in a way which would be understood by Greek speaking Jewish converts, but remain baffling to everyone else -including the Romans. http://www.christianbiblereference.org/faq_Revelation.htm
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All...
Been out all day and missed most of this. It is a bit of a learning curve for us though...that is if we are interested in how our electric/spiritual nature works...because those who are tagged by the number 666 certainly know how to inflict emotional damage so it's only fair that the innocent/naive/righteous/bullied/oppressed/down-trodden...know as well.
Sassy makes a valid point that to argue against the Holy Bible you must first know what's in it. Seb comes back with some very hurtful remarks....intended to penetrate her emotions and hurt deeply...fortunately Sassy is working from a more righteous stand-point and able to let it fly over her head...but what if she wasn't?? What if these sort of words cut deeply and what if a tirade of insults occurred one after the other??...then we can easily see a type of bullying taking place which could do much harm. This is replicated by those with the number 666. They drain the healthier electric strength from their victims leaving them drained of all emotional strength and unable to defend themselves.
Well...it isn't a big step away to see that if we are draining our own inner strength, wasting it by way of excessive nervous expression so that our body cells become starved of this nervous nutrition as well it will cause starved body cells to kick out wildly in a state of genetic shock then a cancer cell can quickly develop whose genetic patterning goes wild, replicating wildly as well.
Best to stay calm...turn the other cheek...go the extra mile and thereby keep our genetic health on an even keel. This is what Jesus Christ tell's us anyway...in all cases of bullying...even where 666 is concerned.
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Seb comes back with some very hurtful remarks....intended to penetrate her emotions and hurt deeply..
No they are not and no they were not.
I am very hurt by your untruthful remarks Nick.
That means that you are tagged with 666 then doesn't it Nick?
It seems that you certainly know how to inflict emotional damage Nick, does that make you one of those 666 bullies?
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No they are not and no they were not.
I am very hurt by your untruthful remarks Nick.
That means that you are tagged with 666 then doesn't it Nick?
It seems that you certainly know how to inflict emotional damage Nick, does that make you one of those 666 bullies?
I was simply taking a situation and magnifying it so that even you could see the point I am making Seb...but it was you who made those unpleasant comments and gave me the excuse.
How do you think many of those who value Jesus' teaching and have to come across such remarks feel...often those who need him...very often those much less fortunate than you or I??
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All...
Been out all day and missed most of this. It is a bit of a learning curve for us though...that is if we are interested in how our electric/spiritual nature works...because those who are tagged by the number 666 certainly know how to inflict emotional damage so it's only fair that the innocent/naive/righteous/bullied/oppressed/down-trodden...know as well.
Why 'those of us', NM. Every human being is 'tagged by the number 666' (to use your phrase). It doesn't mean that we are necessarily going to inflict emotional damage to others - or anything else, for that matter. What it does is highlight that we are none of us perfect, but all flawed, in some way or another.
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I was simply taking a situation and magnifying it so that even you could see the point I am making Seb...but it was you who made those unpleasant comments and gave me the excuse.
How do you think many of those who value Jesus' teaching and have to come across such remarks feel...often those who need him...very often those much less fortunate than you or I??
Magnifying situations Nick. Thats what bullies tagged with 666 do isn't it?
Causing me unnecessary emotional distress using any excuse that you could find.
The Fiery Lake for you m'lad!
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Magnifying situations Nick. Thats what bullies tagged with 666 do isn't it?
Causing me unnecessary emotional distress using any excuse that you could find.
The Fiery Lake for you m'lad!
I sense the 'Earth's orbital spin without spinning, Seb phenomenon' coming on again Seb...that tells me there is no damage done...no matter how much you might scream and shout...which is the tactic of a bully which you have hereby disassociated yourself from.
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I sense the 'Earth's orbital spin without spinning, Seb phenomenon' coming on again Seb...that tells me there is no damage done...no matter how much you might scream and shout...which is the tactic of a bully which you have hereby disassociated yourself from.
Show accurately and exactly where I have screamed and shouted please.
False accusations Nick, are a tactic of bullies.
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Why 'those of us', NM. Every human being is 'tagged by the number 666' (to use your phrase). It doesn't mean that we are necessarily going to inflict emotional damage to others - or anything else, for that matter. What it does is highlight that we are none of us perfect, but all flawed, in some way or another.
It's true Hope that we are all flawed...but some have asked for repentance and many more, in the future will as well, but these aren't tagged by the number 666. This is those working from a philosophy I call image-craft. Jimmy Savile sums it up best...whilst pretending to be a caring, kind, and useful member of the world he was secretly dismantling all the good work of many others and the blaise attitude of those who should have spotted it let it go. Play this out around the world, and, believe me, there are many 666'ers.
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Show accurately and exactly where I have screamed and shouted please.
False accusations Nick, are a tactic of bullies.
I will say this just once Seb...what I said was that bullly's do, whilst pointing out that you were not, as yet, by your own insistence, such a bully...but if you want to go round and round on your orbital round-about...like a bully might...feel free.
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It's true Hope that we are all flawed...but some have asked for repentance and many more, in the future will as well, but these aren't tagged by the number 666. This is those working from a philosophy I call image-craft. Jimmy Savile sums it up best...whilst pretending to be a caring, kind, and useful member of the world he was secretly dismantling all the good work of many others and the blaise attitude of those who should have spotted it let it go. Play this out around the world, and, believe me, there are many 666'ers.
It's similar when you have those who whilst pretending to be a caring, kind, and useful member of the world, they've been trying to dismantle all of the good work of all of those hard working and honest scientists around the world, by spouting out prsuedo scientific words most of which they dont even understand in the first place.
They are 666ers as well.
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I will say this just once Seb...what I said was that bullly's do, whilst pointing out that you were not, as yet, by your own insistence, such a bully...but if you want to go round and round on your orbital round-about...like a bully might...feel free.
Well Nick if you insist on going on and on with circular arguements like a bully. Feel free.
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What do you mean by that statement?
That's something that perhaps only Seb and I will understand Floo.
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JS was an evil piece of scum that is true. However, if the Bible has any credence at all, people like yourself who bring the faith into disrepute by making up complete garbage, which you attribute to that book, might find themselves in the deep proverbial as well.
If you actually read the Bible you would know Floo that we must all live together until the Judgement. That is good and bad. When we are Judged some will go on to ever lasting life whilst others don't...That's fair enough isn't it?? Those who live according to the laws that will save them will be saved. Those following the 666'ers won't be. The problem starts when we realise that there is an indestructible, electrical energy involved in each one of our existences and what happens to that is what we are discussing here...This is what should concern us most...and...unfortunately for some...it is all embodied in Jesus Christ's accurate teaching...a teaching which I have to follow as well if I want to share in its fruits. Hence my leading call is for us to follow Jesus accurately, as he alone taught us and as he intended and I can't see how that can be achieved by following iniquity or worse.
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More garbage NM! ::)
And you reckon you didn't know what I meant when talking to Seb about spinning orbits that weren't spinning...Floo.
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If you actually read the Bible you would know Floo that we must all live together until the Judgement. That is good and bad. When we are Judged some will go on to ever lasting life whilst others don't...That's fair enough isn't it?? Those who live according to the laws that will save them will be saved. Those following the 666'ers won't be. The problem starts when we realise that there is an indestructible, electrical energy involved in each one of our existences and what happens to that is what we are discussing here...This is what should concern us most...and...unfortunately for some...it is all embodied in Jesus Christ's accurate teaching...a teaching which I have to follow as well if I want to share in its fruits. Hence my leading call is for us to follow Jesus accurately, as he alone taught us and as he intended and I can't see how that can be achieved by following iniquity or worse.
Agree with you Nick, except I'm not sure it's necessary to use the words 'electric energy' or 'accurate'. Why not say that we each have a spirit, which lives on after death - that seems a better description than 'electric energy', well to me anyway. Also, is the word 'accurate' necessary? Is it not enough to follow Jesus?
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Spinning orbits that weren't spinning is about as clear as manure! ::)
Going round in circles Floo...with particular reference to planet Earth not spinning on its axis whilst still orbiting the sun...scientifically known as a tidal lock just as our moon is tidally locked to the earth. A state it must have been in when darkness was upon the face of the watery deep...but don't worry about it.
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Spinning orbits that weren't spinning is about as clear as manure! ::)
Nick thinks that the only way to explain the bible term when there was dark upon the watery deep is to conclude that earth was tidaly locked with the sun with only one side getting sunlight.
Then Nick's god gave it a wee nudge to spin it up to its current rotation.
I'm not sure if he used space ships to help him or not as Nick wont give away any further details.
Clever or what?
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Prepare to meet thy doom!
"Back in August, NASA sent a probe to an asteroid, Bennu, that could one day hit Earth and bring about our downfall. Principal Investigator Dante Lauretta confirmed that in 2135 its believed Bennu will pass between the Earth and the moon, and could potentially leave a wake of destruction."
(Bennu is an ancient Egyptian deity linked with the sun, creation, and rebirth.)
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Spud what is your definition of 'spirit'?
Good question - I think its the bit of us that can communicate with God.
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But if that is the case it is a one way communication!
Wrong again Floo. We are a bundle of living cells that all hang together by virtue of our electric/spiritual nature. We all tend to waste our electric/spiritual nature because we have so much fun doing it but the long term effect is that all our body cells begin hanging off the bone and sinew and we begin falling apart. By harnessing this electric nature in the spiritual way Jesus taught us we can slowly repair and to do so we must talk to Almighty God via Jesus' accurate teaching, attaching ourselves wholeheartedly to his spiritual truth and thus enabling us to latch on to God's Living Waters...a free energy owned by God which just requires a little righteous skill to receive it...but a little more skill to understand it.
No one can come to God except in spirit and in truth, so start soon.
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Blast thesetranslations of Scripture" I've read umpteen, from Koine onward, and not one mentions electricity. I must find a translation that does.
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Blast these translations of Scripture" I've read umpteen, from Koine onward, and not one mentions electricity. I must find a translation that does.
Ezekiel mentioned electrum when describing the nature of the Godly event he experienced so it isn't new. In fact for many of the shining and glorious light that surround many Biblical statements it fits well in my mind. So...ok it is a modern take on the word but it is still valid ...and anyway...I always put spiritual/electric to enable those with difficulty to understand I am enlarging on the same phenomena.
You see a universe which is made of electric/spiritual energy is still made by God with a caveat for science.
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I always put spiritual/electric to enable those with difficulty to understand
Thanks, that really helps!
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Ezekiel mentioned electrum when describing the nature of the Godly event he experienced so it isn't new. In fact for many of the shining and glorious light that surround many Biblical statements it fits well in my mind. So...ok it is a modern take on the word but it is still valid ...and anyway...I always put spiritual/electric to enable those with difficulty to understand I am enlarging on the same phenomena.
You see a universe which is made of electric/spiritual energy is still made by God with a caveat for science.
Electrum is not electricity, NM.
It's an amalgum of gold and silver.
As a matter of fact, it was very highly prized in New Kingdom and Late period Egypt.
It has diddly squat to do with electrons, dynamic energy or the New Testament - and certainly not the Gospels.
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Electrum is not electricity, NM.
It's an amalgum of gold and silver.
As a matter of fact, it was very highly prized in New Kingdom and Late period Egypt.
It has diddly squat to do with electrons, dynamic energy or the New Testament - and certainly not the Gospels.
It was the description of the amazing effects that shone from the vehicle that Ezekiel witnessed. I've witnessed a few and so have many others and an electrical field is always involved with them to some degree or other and does give off that sort of effect.
This electric effect is just another of its many spiritual/electric forms because everything is made from it including your living cells, because, we are told, everything is made from God's living waters whether we like it or not...and it's all getting uncomfortably like a wonderful science owned by Almighty God, isn't it??
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What 'electric effects'? OK, the New Kingdom Egyptians used electrum fouil to cover the 'benben' on top of their obelisks, because it represented the sun at dawn (Re-Horakhty). They also used it in amulets as a representation of theskin of deities (silver representing the bones). Given Isaiah's writing his book in the eighth century BC, he would have known of the twenty second (Lybian) dynasty's adherance to the Heliopolitan solar cult - and hence their elaborate use of electrum in public monuments.....several of which were in territory occupied by Israel/Judah. There's nothing strange about the use of electrum in either metalwork or imagary. You claimed that Jesus used the term 'electric'., though. Not in my Bible, He didn't.
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Thanks, that really helps!
It helps because it is telling us that our spirit is fashioned from the same material as all electric behavior is...even atoms, which are made from the same energy and give off quite positive electric and magnetic effects. It is really quite a simple calculation to take a superabundant material and apply appropriate pressures upon it to create stars, galaxies, and atoms, in a way that is scientifically water-tight, but we must start from God's starting point...in Isaiah 40:26 and follow the clues starting with the one where it states Almighty God, nor Jesus Christ, ever lie.
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What 'electric effects'? OK, the New Kingdom Egyptians used electrum fouil to cover the 'benben' on top of their obelisks, because it represented the sun at dawn (Re-Horakhty). They also used it in amulets as a representation of theskin of deities (silver representing the bones). Given Isaiah's writing his book in the eighth century BC, he would have known of the twenty second (Lybian) dynasty's adherance to the Heliopolitan solar cult - and hence their elaborate use of electrum in public monuments.....several of which were in territory occupied by Israel/Judah. There's nothing strange about the use of electrum in either metalwork or imagary. You claimed that Jesus used the term 'electric'., though. Not in my Bible, He didn't.
I have never said that Jesus used the word electric. He spoke in the idiom of the period he lived in. Electric is all mine because I have drawn a direct analogy between the indestructible property that made stars and atoms and also resurrected Jesus Christ. In its meekest form it is invisible and undetectable...in its visible form it is the energy inside every atom...in its righteous, and omnipotent form, it is Almighty God, and Jesus Christ, and all those who accept their teaching, and remember, this spiritual/electric material is indestructible.
And it is always worth reminding ourselves that...following Jesus accurately, as he alone taught us, is the only way to gain access to God's Living Waters.
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I have never said that Jesus used the word electric. He spoke in the idiom of the period he lived in. Electric is all mine because I have drawn a direct analogy between the indestructible property that made stars and atoms and also resurrected Jesus Christ.
So you made it up.
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It helps because it is telling us that our spirit is fashioned from the same material as all electric behavior is...
Its not telling us anything other than you want to link the two words because of your beliefs.
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So you made it up.
Only in as much that the Holy Bible says Almighty God created everything in the universe and an awful lot of that universe is electric energy. When it comes to studying that electric energy within a human being it is termed spiritual energy because that was the idiom of the day when Jesus taught us how our electric nature would deliver us from ill health and even offers resurrection...but not comprehending my point doesn't negate the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ which is far superior to anything I say.
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Only in as much that the Holy Bible says Almighty God created everything in the universe and an awful lot of that universe is electric energy. When it comes to studying that electric energy within a human being it is termed spiritual energy because that was the idiom of the day when Jesus taught us how our electric nature would deliver us from ill health and even offers resurrection...but not comprehending my point doesn't negate the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ which is far superior to anything I say.
So you made it up.
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So you made it up.
How could I have made it up if it leads to the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ which has a proven track record of pulling millions into its caring. Surely the ones making things up are they that can't come to terms with the fact that they are being supervised from upon high and they still refuse to repent.
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How could I have made it up if it leads to the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ ..
Because it doesn't except in your mind.
...which has a proven track record of pulling millions into its caring. Surely the ones making things up are they that can't come to terms with the fact that they are being supervised from upon high and they still refuse to repent.
Nope.
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Because it doesn't except in your mind.
Nope.
It's all in the Holy Bible Maeght...I'm just trying to make it simple for you all.
Science says that all this energy...clearly visible by way of scientific calculations, came from a singularity whilst the truth is it has always been and always will be. Now...you try making energy from nothing...especially when the net result is this universe in all the scientific splendor that we observe every night. It is an impossibility.
You get hold of an invisible, superabundant material that can squash and extrude and compact and can gather into any amount of natural behavior patterns, bond together with itself and each other in infinite ways, then you are in with a shout.
This is what Almighty God tells us, and his son, Jesus Christ, who specialises in the way it works with our genetics...and all it needs is for us to follow his righteous teaching, accurately, so that we are spiritually in tune with God rather than in tune with accidental nature which can be cruel, especially when its evil overlords decide to confuse the issues even more.
Ah well...at least I tried.
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Where does God mention compact superabundant material, dynamic energy, electricity, etc? I must be reading the wrong translation.
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Where does God mention compact superabundant material, dynamic energy, electricity, etc? I must be reading the wrong translation.
You are probably reading a valid translation Anchorman but you aren't absorbing the things that righteous study teaches. You prefer to think that all the ailments and illnesses that occur have no Biblical reasoning but it has. If we waste the spiritual product that the body needs more than anything else we are sinning and we are failing in health and righteous support. If we are following the way, the truth and the life of Jesus Christ accurately then all other things are added to the mix.
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You are probably reading a valid translation Anchorman but you aren't absorbing the things that righteous study teaches. You prefer to think that all the ailments and illnesses that occur have no Biblical reasoning but it has. If we waste the spiritual product that the body needs more than anything else we are sinning and we are failing in health and righteous support. If we are following the way, the truth and the life of Jesus Christ accurately then all other things are added to the mix.
So it is not mentioned in Scripture, then?
Not very scientific or accurate.
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So it is not mentioned in Scripture, then?
Not very scientific or accurate.
Not only did you condemn the words of Jesus earlier you now want me to believe that when Jesus says, Seek first the Kingdom of God then all other things will be added to you, was an error as well. You aren't doing very well Anchorman for all your language studies.
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Nope, I dont condemn one jot or tittle of Scripture, NM. Simply your unscientific, innacurate take on it.
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Nope, I dont condemn one jot or tittle of Scripture, NM. Simply your unscientific, innacurate take on it.
It's mentioned throughout Scripture Anchorman...but in a discrete language which requires a certain scientific insight...the crux of it being that everything is made by Almighty God and also everything is made from this scientifically named, electric energy...this tells you of the superabundance of this electric material and who owns it, and, also, who teaches us about it best.
They can't be two different materials so God's Mighty Power/Dynamic Energy has to be the same material and then we can get to grips with Jesus Christ's righteous laws and why they can offer repair, resurrection and everlasting life...and God's Living Waters is at the foundation of it all.
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Discreet language? So, not actually in any English, Koine, Hebrew or Aramaic text?
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Discreet language? So, not actually in any English, Koine, Hebrew or Aramaic text?
You have a faith Anchorman and I don't want to dis it. But surely you can heed the call to listen to Jesus accurately, as he alone taught us, and as he alone died for us. Regardless of any differences between us surely, you can see the sense of that.
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Well they are going to be correct eventually.
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Analysis on the Graun is that WW3 isn’t starting today.
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Someone mentioned NM recently. I was wondering how the end timers like him are reacting to the latest happenings in Syria? I bet they are wetting themselves with glee in the hopes all their end times predictions are about to come true! ::)
I dare say NM's on another thread somewhere until someone backs him into a corner where he finds that he can't answer, he then abandons that website and goes on to another maybe this one next?
Anyway it's good when he's here I can catch up on all of the latest advances in all aspects superabundant electricity and I feel so righteous when I've done all of the technical work involved.
Regards ippy
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It isn't about a world war 3. Christ made it plain that men and women will continue to marry and life go on just as it did before the flood.
King James Bible
Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
You all run too and fro without any real purpose or ability to reason the end times or the seasons. The Children of God however have wise servants who gives them their meat in due season.
Many wars and battles all over the world. But a truly significant sign will be the Russians marching down the hills of Jerusalem.
If you want to research it, it is all there for you. But the 666 is the name of a man it isn't the account of the end time but rather a man who
brings chaos and insults God. A man who causes end times to come into play and who rules in such a way evil takes hold. The final is God himself acting and showing his predominance over man and creation destroying that which is evil and harmful and bringing harmony, peace and all that is good.
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Sassy,
It isn't about a world war 3. Christ made it plain that men and women will continue to marry and life go on just as it did before the flood.
King James Bible
Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
You all run too and fro without any real purpose or ability to reason the end times or the seasons. The Children of God however have wise servants who gives them their meat in due season.
Many wars and battles all over the world. But a truly significant sign will be the Russians marching down the hills of Jerusalem.
If you want to research it, it is all there for you. But the 666 is the name of a man it isn't the account of the end time but rather a man who
brings chaos and insults God. A man who causes end times to come into play and who rules in such a way evil takes hold. The final is God himself acting and showing his predominance over man and creation destroying that which is evil and harmful and bringing harmony, peace and all that is good.
Your strongest contender in a while for batshit crazy post of the year.
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Sassy,
Your strongest contender in a while for batshit crazy post of the year.
I can see you are just saying what some of us are thinking. It is hard to respond to a post as bizarre as this. I commend you on your restraint.
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It isn't about a world war 3. Christ made it plain that men and women will continue to marry and life go on just as it did before the flood.
King James Bible
Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
You all run too and fro without any real purpose or ability to reason the end times or the seasons. The Children of God however have wise servants who gives them their meat in due season.
Many wars and battles all over the world. But a truly significant sign will be the Russians marching down the hills of Jerusalem.
If you want to research it, it is all there for you. But the 666 is the name of a man it isn't the account of the end time but rather a man who
brings chaos and insults God. A man who causes end times to come into play and who rules in such a way evil takes hold. The final is God himself acting and showing his predominance over man and creation destroying that which is evil and harmful and bringing harmony, peace and all that is good.
I see you still seem to be somewhere there up in the clouds Sass and you still haven't established any credibility in these rather strange beliefs of yours; surly before you make any more assertions about the contents of this bible of yours, it'd be a good idea to establish any credibility you can find, if you can in fact find any, in its contents.
You've never to this date ever found any credible evidence that could be considered viable that would in any way support your bible, whichever version you chose, as stories based on facts, if you have, you to my knowledge have never presented it here on this forum.
By the way if you do establish your book as factual I'll be among the first to be joining you but I can't see that happening any time soon, if ever, (you finding any worthwhile evidence that is).
Regards ippy
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I can see you are just saying what some of us are thinking. It is hard to respond to a post as bizarre as this. I commend you on your restraint.
You are right Trent, the man's bordering on a control freek ;D ;D ;D
Regards ippy
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Sassy: But a truly significant sign will be the Russians marching down the hills of Jerusalem.
Why will the Russians do that, they've never shown any interest in invading Israel as far as I can remember & there are quite a few Russian Jews in Israel. Why the Russians?
I always thought 666 represented the devil or someone who represents the devil. It's all figurative anyway.
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No-one really knows what 666 means, but one theory is that it represents the satanic anti-trinity: seven was supposed to represent perfection, so it three times tries to achieve perfection, but each time falls short.
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Steve H,
No-one really knows what 666 means, but one theory is that it represents the satanic anti-trinity: seven was supposed to represent perfection, so it three times tries to achieve perfection, but each time falls short.
I heard that 665.99 is the retail price of the devil.
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Steve H,
I heard that 665.99 is the retail price of the devil.
;D
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;D
I'll see your ;D and raise you a :D
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Steve H,
I'll see your ;D and raise you a :D
And apparently 25.8069758011 is the (square) root of all evil...
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You are right Trent, the man's bordering on a control freek ;D ;D ;D
Regards ippy
Sassy is a woman.
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Robbie,
Sassy is a woman.
I think ippy was referring to me (and I'm not).
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Sassy is a woman.
So they say! ;D
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Sassy is a woman.
I was commenting on Trent's post where he referred to Blue H S and in turn referring to Blue's original post, Blue's a male; we all make em Rhi.
Kind regards ippy
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ipster,
I was commenting on Trent's post where he referred to Blue H S and in turn referring to Blue's original post, Blue's a male; we all make em Rhi.
Kind regards ippy
Rhi?
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ipster,
Rhi?
Now pass go and on to the top of the class.
Regards
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Steve H,
And apparently 25.8069758011 is the (square) root of all evil...
:D
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Robbie,
I think ippy was referring to me (and I'm not).
Well I never!
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I always thought 666 represented the devil or someone who represents the devil. It's all figurative anyway.
And I believe the earliest manuscripts give a different number anyway. Bit of a problem if you need to buy something using the 'Mark of the Beast' (I think that's a prophecy about shopping in the future, somewhere in Revelation).
....Rev 13: 16,17
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Well I never!
Not that it matters that much but I was referring to Blue H S and no one else.
Regards Mr Robbie, ippy
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Not that it matters that much but I was referring to Blue H S and no one else.
Regards Mr Robbie, ippy
Not that it matters but Robbie isn't a Mr.
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Not that it matters but Robbie isn't a Mr.
I could explain, but for you inability to understand any explanation short of the length, in volume, of that novel war and peace and now you appear to be humourless too?
Ever thought of joining the Foreign Office?
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I could explain, but for you inability to understand any explanation short of the length, in volume, of that novel war and peace and now you appear to be humourless too?
Ever thought of joining the Foreign Office?
You really should do something about that chip.
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Speaking of chips, just got in & feeling a bit peckish.
Ippy's not the only one who has thought I was a bloke - Mr Robinson as opposed to (from The Graduate) Mrs Robinson. I've also thought people were opposite sex to what they are & got some posters mixed up with eachother.
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Speaking of chips, just got in & feeling a bit peckish.
Ippy's not the only one who has thought I was a bloke - Mr Robinson as opposed to (from The Graduate) Mrs Robinson. I've also thought people were opposite sex to what they are & got some posters mixed up with eachother.
I've never thought for one minute, at any time you're a bloke Rob, somehow there's been someone getting mixed up on something I posted to Blue H S, Blue is a bloke, I think, (I jest), I'll guess a misread was made and somehow silly old N S has got involved and now even he has got the wrong end of the stick.
Kind regards to you Mr Rob, ippy.
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Ippy's not the only one who has thought I was a bloke - Mr Robinson as opposed to (from The Graduate) Mrs Robinson.
Well, you can hardly blame them, with a user-name like 'Robbie'!
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And "Steve" is short for "Stephanie" ...
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Oh blimey, don't tell me I was getting Steve H's name wrong all this time. I was looking at the avatar - must be a photo of her pin up!
Sorry Stephanie.
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:D :D :D
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What a right old mix up, ;D ;D ;D
Regards to all ippy
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I don't care if anyone thinks I'm a man, makes it more fun. I picture myself with a beard and pint of ale, smoking a pipe. If Sririam was around he'd say I might have been a man in a different life. With the fair Stephanie by my side.
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Oh blimey, don't tell me I was getting Steve H's name wrong all this time. I was looking at the avatar - must be a photo of her pin up!
Sorry Stephanie.
Didn't you know? Steve H wrote 1984 and Animal Farm
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I'm surprised, she doesn't seem old enough. Or well....
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I don't care if anyone thinks I'm a man, makes it more fun. I picture myself with a beard and pint of ale, smoking a pipe. If Sririam was around he'd say I might have been a man in a different life. With the fair Stephanie by my side.
I'm sure you're a good example of the female gender, I've never questioned that, but now having said that and considering the drift of this particular post of yours, the thought came to mind of Froid's theory about young girls anxiety about not having a penis and consequently suffering some form of penis envy.
My niece is a Dr of psychology I'll have to have a word about this with her, you've jogged my memory of this from when my wife started on child psychology some years back, seriously Froid did have a theory about this, I don't get it myself.
With this kind of subject it's a minefield of double entedre, if there are any included, in wot i rote, I assure you they are entirely unintentional.
Kind regards to you Rob, ippy
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Ippy:- ..the thought came to mind of Froid's theory about young girls anxiety about not having a penis and consequently suffering some form of penis envy.
I was joking about imagining myself as a man, in case you wondered :D, enjoy being a girl. Just going along with the lighthearted banter - & honestly never thought my nickname of Robbie was particularly masculine as I've known a Roberta and a Miss Robertson who were called that by friends. I'm called it at work and like it.
However, in Freud's day men had all the power so it figures some women envied men, especially if they were intelligent and ambitious; I think that's more the case than actually wishing they had a penis.
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No-one really knows what 666 means, but one theory is that it represents the satanic anti-trinity: seven was supposed to represent perfection, so it three times tries to achieve perfection, but each time falls short.
It represents the numerical value of the name of a man.
That was easy.
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It represents the numerical value of the name of a man.
That was easy.
And how is this numerical value determined?
Not so easy!
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And how is this numerical value determined?
Not so easy!
Also see reply #15
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President Reagan's middle name was Wilson: three names, each with six letters. Ergo, President Reagan was the Beast of Revelation.
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If you are a preterist 666 is thought to be 'Nero Caesar'. His name, written in Aramaic, can be valued at 666, using the Hebrew numerology of gematria.
The number 666 also relates to the carbon atom, and man. Carbon-12; one of 5 elements in the human DNA is composed of 6 protons, 6 electrons and 6 neutrons, which equates to 666.
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If you are a preterist 666 is thought to be 'Nero Caesar'. His name, written in Aramaic, can be valued at 666, using the Hebrew numerology of gematria.
The number 666 also relates to the carbon atom, and man. Carbon-12; one of 5 elements in the human DNA is composed of 6 protons, 6 electrons and 6 neutrons, which equates to 666.
Much of Revelation was written, not as a background for "Rapture Ready" Christians to throw a party, but as a polemic and allegory of the situation in the Empire in the provinces of Syria, Palestine and Asia Minor in the mid-late first century.
Certainly the book goes on to use typical apocalyptic language to look forward to the parousia, but sometimes sorting out which bit is which requires prayer, understanding and paracetamol.
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If you are a preterist 666 is thought to be 'Nero Caesar'. His name, written in Aramaic, can be valued at 666, using the Hebrew numerology of gematria.
The Revelation of St John was written in Greek for a Greek speaking audience. He would have used the Greek numeral system and in some early versions of the text, it is actually 616, not 666.
The number 666 also relates to the carbon atom, and man. Carbon-12; one of 5 elements in the human DNA is composed of 6 protons, 6 electrons and 6 neutrons, which equates to 666.
The number 666 is not related to the carbon atom. In the Greek counting system, 600, 60 and 6 all have different symbols: 666 was rendered χξϛ (and 616 as χιϛʹ)
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The more I think about it the more convinced I am that 666 refers to the coming together of all those who follow a single evil philosophy, in these 'last days'. You see, it is a future prophecy and therefore 666 is a future reference. Isaiah is a man and 666 is the number of a man and in Isaiah 66:6 we find that Almighty God, and Jesus Christ will inflict a terrible judgment upon all those people who dabble in lies and deceit...all in the twinkling of an eye...so it is wise for us all to replace our own lies with truth, before that great and terrible day...which, I suggest, isn't so very far away.
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Welcome back, Nicholas.
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Thank you NS
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Welcome back, NM. I may not always agree with you, but it's great to see your po st.
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Thank you Anchorman
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he more I think about it the more convinced I am that 666 refers to the coming together of all those who follow a single evil philosophy, in these 'last days'. You see, it is a future prophecy and therefore 666 is a future reference. Isaiah is a man and 666 is the number of a man and in Isaiah 66:6 we find that Almighty God, and Jesus Christ will inflict a terrible judgment upon all those people who dabble in lies and deceit...all in the twinkling of an eye...so it is wise for us all to replace our own lies with truth, before that great and terrible day...which, I suggest, isn't so very far away.
Unfortunately for your theory, the chapter and verse numbers of the Bible are not part of the original text, but a later addition.
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Unfortunately for your theory, the chapter and verse numbers of the Bible are not part of the original text, but a later addition.
You missed the point Steve...being,that, future prophecy is entitled to use a future truth in its description. For instance...who would have thought that a 'Red Dragon would appear in our skies, but now, 2000 years later...observers are saying, it is here.
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Dear Nicholas,
Welcome back old son ;)
Gonnagle.
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You missed the point Steve...being,that, future prophecy is entitled to use a future truth in its description. For instance...who would have thought that a 'Red Dragon would appear in our skies, but now, 2000 years later...observers are saying, it is here.
What observers, NM?
Where's the Red Dragon?
Has Wales put a man on the moon?
(Don't tell Sass.....)
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Dear Nicholas,
Welcome back old son ;)
Gonnagle.
Thank you Gonnagle...glad to see you are still posting.
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What observers, NM?
Where's the Red Dragon?
Has Wales put a man on the moon?
(Don't tell Sass.....)
Of course, the 'Red Dragon' is a Biblical prophecy in Revelation which deserves its very own thread...but there are many observers all over Youtube, if you care to look...but, be warned, it is being hidden from those who only look with half a Biblical insight.
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Isaiah 66:6
Hear that uproar from the city, hear that noise from the temple! It is the sound of the LORD repaying his enemies all they deserve.
Notice the word...ALL...This is an end of times prophecy when all evil will pay the price for what has preceded that end. We know from the Holy Bible that good and evil will live side by side until that fateful day when Revelation 21:8 will be invoked...and it is now time to attach ourselves to Jesus Christ's righteous teaching...but only if we want saving so that we clearly cannot be mistaken as being part of that Biblical number, 666...it is the number of a man.
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Sparky,
You missed the point Steve...being,that, future prophecy is entitled to use a future truth in its description. For instance...who would have thought that a 'Red Dragon would appear in our skies, but now, 2000 years later...observers are saying, it is here.
Where?
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Of course, the 'Red Dragon' is a Biblical prophecy in Revelation which deserves its very own thread...but there are many observers all over Youtube, if you care to look...but, be warned, it is being hidden from those who only look with half a Biblical insight.
Ah, right....
So no red dragon yet.
I'm well aware of Revelation, NM.
Wee story:
When the Good News Bible was being issued, you could buy the individual books as handy pocket sized versions.
Revelation was thirty eight pages.
On the shelf below, there were about thirty tomes purporting to understansd Revelation.
One such had thirteen hundred pages.
I rest my case.
Thanks
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Of course, the 'Red Dragon' is a Biblical prophecy in Revelation which deserves its very own thread...but there are many observers all over Youtube, if you care to look...but, be warned, it is being hidden from those who only look with half a Biblical insight.
Like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhkMP7a0vgE
Doesn't look like a dragon to me Nicholas.
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Sparky,
Where?
Circling our sun, of course, bhs, building up into a huge and powerful centrifugal force, which will make itself known in the twinkling of an eye, when it is ready. There are vast amounts of evidence pointing towards it, not the least being those who have the number 666 embroidered in their spiritual make-up, hiding it from you.
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Circling our sun, of course, bhs, building up into a huge and powerful centrifugal force, which will make itself known in the twinkling of an eye, when it is ready. There are vast amounts of evidence pointing towards it, not the least being those who have the number 666 embroidered in their spiritual make-up, hiding it from you.
Utter bonkers!
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Sparky,
Circling our sun, of course, bhs, building up into a huge and powerful centrifugal force, which will make itself known in the twinkling of an eye, when it is ready. There are vast amounts of evidence pointing towards it, not the least being those who have the number 666 embroidered in their spiritual make-up, hiding it from you.
Oh "of course". Just out of interest though, how come no-one has spotted any of this "vast amount of evidence" you claim there to be?
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Ah, right....
So no red dragon yet.
I'm well aware of Revelation, NM.
Wee story:
When the Good News Bible was being issued, you could buy the individual books as handy pocket sized versions.
Revelation was thirty eight pages.
On the shelf below, there were about thirty tomes purporting to understansd Revelation.
One such had thirteen hundred pages.
I rest my case.
Thanks
The Red Dragon is a celestial body which doesn't require much scrutiny to expose its presence within our solar mechanics. The climate changes, the many earthquakes, nasty flooding, numerous sink-holes, and if you care to look at our sun you will see that it has changed drastically...still, according to Jesus, you, should be looking into the heavens for the signs of these 'end times'...and 666 is heavily involved in the deceit that surrounds them.
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Sparky,
Oh "of course". Just out of interest though, how come no-one has spotted any of this "vast amount of evidence" you claim there to be?
When the evidence is so apparent, and someone asks that question, bhs, then the fault is theirs, not mine. My previous post to Anchorman describes many of the global changes...but of course we have to be interested to put it all together whilst the '666 contingency' are going to enormous lengths to conceal it from us...but this is its greatest proof.
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Utter bonkers!
It's not just me saying it BeRational...It is many, many people, who are noticing the changes and give sound, scientific explanations for it. It is in the Holy Bible, that it will cause all the mayhem that is happening on a global scale right now. The same source tells us how to tackle the problem which, we are told, will affect us all greatly...that is, turn to righteousness, so that the 666 contingent can't fool us.
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Sparky,
When the evidence is so apparent, and someone asks that question, bhs, then the fault is theirs, not mine. My previous post to Anchorman describes many of the global changes...but of course we have to be interested to put it all together whilst the '666 contingency' are going to enormous lengths to conceal it from us...but this is its greatest proof.
Except that post was a mixture of phenomena that are explained by natural means (climate change principally) and flat out untruths (supposed increases in earthquakes – something you’ve been corrected on before as I recall).
Where then is this “evidence” you claim to exist, and why moreover has it been entirely ignored by the scientific community who would have the methods and tools to investigate it if it was there?
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Sparky,
Except that post was a mixture of phenomena that are explained by natural means (climate change principally) and flat out untruths (supposed increases in earthquakes – something you’ve been corrected on before as I recall).
Where then is this “evidence” you claim to exist, and why moreover has it been entirely ignored by the scientific community who would have the methods and tools to investigate it if it was there?
You will say, on the day that it is revealed to you by its undeniable presence...'I don't believe you are there...go away you huge red celestial ball of God's wrath against those who don't want truth, honesty, good-order, good-will, happiness, repair and everlasting life...Where is the word of our scientists telling us you exist?'
It will say to you...sorry, then suck you into its fiery lake of sulphur...before being hurled out into space again. But, thankfully, someone will guide you to its existence, beforehand, and you can do your own analysis...knowing that those with 666 embroidered on their uniform will be among those who will be lost.
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Sparky,
You will say, on the day that it is revealed to you by its undeniable presence...'I don't believe you are there...go away you huge red celestial ball of God's wrath against those who don't want truth, honesty, good-order, good-will, happiness, repair and everlasting life...Where is the word of our scientists telling us you exist?'
It will say to you...sorry, then suck you into its fiery lake of sulphur...before being hurled out into space again. But, thankfully, someone will guide you to its existence, beforehand, and you can do your own analysis...knowing that those with 666 embroidered on their uniform will be among those who will be lost.
Wibble.
Oh, and it's not "undeniable" at all by the way - I've just denied it for starters, on the not unreasonable ground that you're spouting utter incoherent bollocks.
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Sparky,
Wibble.
Oh, and it's not "undeniable" at all by the way - I've just denied it for starters, on the not unreasonable ground that you're spouting utter incoherent bollocks.
Not a scientific response bhs. But you are capable of looking at the sun occasionally throughout the day and see the same things I'm seeing...especially at sunset. If you are in denial, that's okay...but if you are a part of the deniers because you prefer to support the 666 contingent, well that's okay as well...but it is a little foolish because the reading in Revelation 21:8 tells us where they will all go and it is the part of us that will never die, our spirit, which will never forgive you.
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Good to see you're apparently O K Nick, I wish you well, I'm sure you'll try your best to not let em get to you, couldn't help noticing you're still into the god stuff, have you managed to find any evidence that supports your god idea yet?
Regards ippy
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Sparky,
Not a scientific response bhs.
Actually it was – no evidence is no evidence.
But you are capable of looking at the sun occasionally throughout the day and see the same things I'm seeing...especially at sunset.
Sunshine?
If you are in denial, that's okay...
Of sunshine? Defintiely not. Why only just now I went to pick up my daughter from school and blow me if it wasn’t all over the place.
…but if you are a part of the deniers because you prefer to support the 666 contingent, well that's okay as well...but it is a little foolish because the reading in Revelation 21:8 tells us where they will all go and it is the part of us that will never die, our spirit, which will never forgive you.
Dammit man, you and your cunning inquisitor ways – you’ve caught me out again! Oh well, might as well confess all now I suppose – yup, every second Tuesday of the month myself and a few pals (or “the coven” as we call ourselves) schlepp out to the Old Cloven Hoof for a night of wild carousing, chanting the name of Beelzebub and a spot of virgin bothering (and they're not easy to find round these parts I can tell you). We even have a special dartboard with all the numbers changed to sixes so, you know, you’re right on the money there too. Uncanny eh?
Mind how you go Sunny Jim, and do be careful of sharp objects won’t you?
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Good to see you're apparently O K Nick, I wish you well, I'm sure you'll try your best to not let em get to you, couldn't help noticing you're still into the god stuff, have you managed to find any evidence that supports your god idea yet?
Regards ippy
Hi ippy, thanks for that. Well, I have continued to understand my science better which enables me to warn of the greatest calamity everyone of us will suffer by, in the not too distant future. It's all in the Holy Bible and so I must conclude that this science is at the root of Jesus Christ's accurate teaching...it's called the science of righteousness, which, in a nut-shell, tells us that electric laws control everything in the universe and they are all owned by Almighty God, for very special, spiritual reasons...Reasons that many oppose because they directly, and wilfully, work in opposition to them. We are now able to see these rebels more clearly because they are amalgamating under one philosophy encompassed by a number...it is the number of a man who wrote about this evil and these end times, when all those in opposition to righteousness will be dealt with, just as those mentioned in Isaiah 666.
At least we will all know what our repentance will deliver us from.
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Hi ippy, thanks for that. Well, I have continued to understand my science better which enables me to warn of the greatest calamity everyone of us will suffer by, in the not too distant future. It's all in the Holy Bible and so I must conclude that this science is at the root of Jesus Christ's accurate teaching...it's called the science of righteousness, which, in a nut-shell, tells us that electric laws control everything in the universe and they are all owned by Almighty God, for very special, spiritual reasons...Reasons that many oppose because they directly, and wilfully, work in opposition to them. We are now able to see these rebels more clearly because they are amalgamating under one philosophy encompassed by a number...it is the number of a man who wrote about this evil and these end times, when all those in opposition to righteousness will be dealt with, just as those mentioned in Isaiah 666.
At least we will all know what our repentance will deliver us from.
Well thank you Nick, but if it's all right with you that post of yours to me was a bit more into the 'Twilight Zone' than I care to go, so for the mo unless you can come up with some viable evidence to support your assertions?
Kind regards ippy.
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ipster,
Well thank you Nick, but if it's all right with you that post of yours to me was a bit more into the 'Twilight Zone' than I care to go, so for the mo unless you can come up with some viable evidence to support your assertions?
But didn't you hear Sparky - he's got evidence: YouTube videos! So that's official then - what more do you want? Surely not all that boring observation and data and testing and peer review and stuff? Oh ye of little faith!
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ipster,
But didn't you hear Sparky - he's got evidence: YouTube videos! So that's official then - what more do you want? Surely not all that boring observation and data and testing and peer review and stuff? Oh ye of little faith!
You need to open your mind a little bhsR else cling to righteous truth...because you are being misled by people who should know better. Look for honesty and little financial gain when analysing what people are telling you.
Under the guise of avoiding panic you are being left in the dark...but that is up to you. Under analysis it is under the guise of those operating under the 666 contingent that are trying to fool us.
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Sparky,
You need to open your mind a little bhsR else cling to righteous truth...because you are being misled by people who should know better. Look for honesty and little financial gain when analysing what people are telling you.
Under the guise of avoiding panic you are being left in the dark...but that is up to you. Under analysis it is under the guise of those operating under the 666 contingent that are trying to fool us.
As someone once said, if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out. Have you tried looking under the sideboard for yours?
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ipster,
But didn't you hear Sparky - he's got evidence: YouTube videos! So that's official then - what more do you want? Surely not all that boring observation and data and testing and peer review and stuff? Oh ye of little faith!
Blue
The super abundant 'Flash Gordon' stuff on YouTube is O K for a little bit of reality; one of my other dynamic favourites is from when the studio was filming 'Robin Hood' on the plot next door to 'Flash' and all of the aliens had 'Robin Hood' outfits on, feather'n all and of caus it was good when the epic ancient Roman film was being shot next door, aliens dressed as Roman soldiers in uniforms sprayed with silver paint, the Sparky bit must be from the tail end of the space ships, then you know people still try to make me think it wasn't all reality? I didn't see 666 on any of the super fast space ships, might be because they keep getting diverted when they're flying upside down?
Regards ippy
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ippy/bhsR...
It's the difference of being responsible about serious issues or flippant. Judgment Day is fast approaching and you see it as fun...I see it as being the time when all those using that same philosophy of 'The evil will inherit the Earth' will be taken away because they couldn't accept righteous truth. Those that can't accept righteous truth will fall into the category of the those embracing the number 666...in truth, an evil monster of many people...I'm just trying to save as many as possible before the Red Dragon arrives which has in tow the fiery lake of sulphur...but, still, it is already hitting us hard...Revelation 21:8 explains where all those tagged with the number 666 will go and I'm just mentioning it so that you can be saved...cus there the will be much weeping and gnashing of teeth when it dawns on us, if we no righteous escape plan in place.
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ipster,
The super abundant 'Flash Gordon' stuff on YouTube is O K for a little bit of reality; one of my other dynamic favourites is from when the studio was filming 'Robin Hood' on the plot next door to 'Flash' and all of the aliens had 'Robin Hood' outfits on, feather'n all and of caus it was good when the epic ancient Roman film was being shot next door, aliens dressed as Roman soldiers in uniforms sprayed with silver paint, the Sparky bit must be from the tail end of the space ships, then you know people still try to make me think it wasn't all reality? I didn't see 666 on any of the super fast space ships, might be because they keep getting diverted when they're flying upside down?
Nah, you're alright - the upside down ones were the Australian space ships. That's why they had "999" painted on the sides. (The ones with just "99" on them by the way were the emergency auxiliary ice cream supply spaces ships). Apparently old Sparky sitting in his pants looking at the sun through his old Woolworth's sunglasses (well you can't be too careful can you) in his Mum's back bedroom knows more about solar science than the entire scientific community that studies it (they're all taking backhanders apparently though gawd knows who from - sun cream manufacturers maybe?). So you know, maybe we should be more "open minded" or something. Or maybe we should just ask Matron whether he can have an extra garibaldi with his tea before lights out time. Who can possibly say?
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What ever happened to your last prediction of the end of the world NM? We're still here!
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What ever happened to your last prediction of the end of the world NM? We're still here!
No one knows the hour or the day.
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No one knows the hour or the day.
You thought you did - you were wrong weren't you?
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You thought you did - you were wrong weren't you?
No...I'm not wrong because that is the Biblical teaching which I believe implicitly, Maeght. Jesus said that not even the son of man knows the hour or the day, only the father, who is in Heaven. Amongst other things this tells us that Almighty God, and Jesus, are two separate beings working from tha same text-book, the same science, and within that science Revelation warns us of an approaching celestial system...The Red Dragon with ten heads and seven horns if I remember correctly...and this approaching celestial system seems to match that description...whilst the passage concerning the number 666 seems to indicate a multi-headed beast who will rear up in the last days trying to ensnare us all...and this seems to correspond with what many observers are reporting all over the world, now, today.
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No...I'm not wrong because that is the Biblical teaching which I believe implicitly, Maeght. Jesus said that not even the son of man knows the hour or the day, only the father, who is in Heaven. Amongst other things this tells us that Almighty God, and Jesus, are two separate beings working from tha same text-book, the same science, and within that science Revelation warns us of an approaching celestial system...The Red Dragon with ten heads and seven horns if I remember correctly...and this approaching celestial system seems to match that description...whilst the passage concerning the number 666 seems to indicate a multi-headed beast who will rear up in the last days trying to ensnare us all...and this seems to correspond with what many observers are reporting all over the world, now, today.
You predicted the iminent coming of Neburu or whatever it was. It didn't come. You were wrong. Why was that?
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You predicted the iminent coming of Neburu or whatever it was. It didn't come. You were wrong. Why was that?
No Maeght...I have always insisted that no one knows the hour or the day...but I am open to the idea that the Nemesis/Nibiru celestial system is with us now, and resembles the prophecy in Revelation of the Red Dragon/Wormwood/and the fiery lake of sulphur...which will cause great tribulations for us all, here on planet Earth, and these are happening right now, as we speak....but...all of a sudden, the media are quiet about it all, pointing us in other directions whilst the 666 contingency are filling our skies with heavy pollutants with no care for the nasty effects they are causing.
I know...you don't believe me...but you only have to look with your own eyes to see it.
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No Maeght...I have always insisted that no one knows the hour or the day...but I am open to the idea that the Nemesis/Nibiru celestial system is with us now, and resembles the prophecy in Revelation of the Red Dragon/Wormwood/and the fiery lake of sulphur...which will cause great tribulations for us all, here on planet Earth, and these are happening right now, as we speak....but...all of a sudden, the media are quiet about it all, pointing us in other directions whilst the 666 contingency are filling our skies with heavy pollutants with no care for the nasty effects they are causing.
I know...you don't believe me...but you only have to look with your own eyes to see it.
Nope, it takes a huge amount of imagination and bizarre thinking. Thankfully I display neither.
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...knowing that those with 666 embroidered on their uniform will be among those who will be lost.
Where can we get those uniforms?
Army surplus stores?
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Nope, it takes a huge amount of imagination and bizarre thinking. Thankfully I display neither.
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ekim/Seb/Maeght
So...okay...all the commotion that is happening around the globe today is of little interest to you all...Your decision!!
Me, personally, who has made a little study of it all, objects strongly to all the air pollution that is being pumped out above our heads and which many other people are getting very concerned about. I wont labour the point, but in terms of coming to accept what is going on in the world it is wise to understand things....and its all in the Holy Bible. All of that 666 contingent are gathering together to declare war on Almighty God...and, I'm afraid, they will be fairly successful...until the Red Dragon arrives...and its associated planetary bodies...and we are told that in the twinkling of an eye all those who are opposed to our God, made known to us by Jesus Christ, will be sucked into the fiery lake of sulphur...which I interpret as being that the part of us that never dies, our spiritual identity, will be whisked away, snatched into the imploding force of that sulphurous environment, were they will stay for all eternity, regretting their decision of ridiculing the only help on offer...being the accurate, righteous, teaching, of Jesus Christ.
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Or alternatively we are fucking the planet due to a mixture of greed, encouraged ignorance, disinterest and an also encouraged "What can I do about it Im only one person" attitude.
The number 666 need not be invoked. It is a number, that is all. By giving it this mystical power you are the one adopting avoidance tactics instead of facing reality.
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Or alternatively we are fucking the planet due to a mixture of greed, encouraged ignorance, disinterest and an also encouraged "What can I do about it Im only one person" attitude.
The number 666 need not be invoked. It is a number, that is all. By giving it this mystical power you are the one adopting avoidance tactics instead of facing reality.
Nearly right...except we can do something about it...we can stop just following the madness and individually try to live the life that will save us, thus divorcing ourselves from every element of that number 666 which is totally evil...and who crucified our saviour....so that he could show us about the part of us that lives forever.
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ekim/Seb/Maeght
So...okay...all the commotion that is happening around the globe today is of little interest to you all...Your decision!!
What is really happening is of interest. What is the product of your over active imagination and bizarre thinking isn't.
Me, personally, who has made a little study of it all, objects strongly to all the air pollution that is being pumped out above our heads and which many other people are getting very concerned about. I wont labour the point, but in terms of coming to accept what is going on in the world it is wise to understand things....and its all in the Holy Bible. All of that 666 contingent are gathering together to declare war on Almighty God...and, I'm afraid, they will be fairly successful...until the Red Dragon arrives...and its associated planetary bodies...and we are told that in the twinkling of an eye all those who are opposed to our God, made known to us by Jesus Christ, will be sucked into the fiery lake of sulphur...which I interpret as being that the part of us that never dies, our spiritual identity, will be whisked away, snatched into the imploding force of that sulphurous environment, were they will stay for all eternity, regretting their decision of ridiculing the only help on offer...being the accurate, righteous, teaching, of Jesus Christ.
More over active imagination stuff.
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What is really happening is of interest. What is the product of your over active imagination and bizarre thinking isn't.
More over active imagination stuff.
It's all in the Holy Bible.
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It's all in the Holy Bible.
Only if you read it with your over active imagination.
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Only if you read it with your over active imagination.
The Holy Bible encourages a very active mind...What could be more mind inspiring than resurrection...which is a wonderful principle behind God's 'word'.
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The Holy Bible encourages a very active mind...What could be more mind inspiring than resurrection...which is a wonderful principle behind God's 'word'.
An active mind is great, but not over active imagination and fantasy.
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The Holy Bible encourages a very active mind...What could be more mind inspiring than resurrection...which is a wonderful principle behind God's 'word'.
Nick doesn't it ever occur to you to look for evidence that supports the stories in your bible, only there isn't any evidence that supports the magical, mystical or superstitional based ideas in the bible, the most likely thing in the bible is that this nothing special Jew bloke Jesus is likely to have existed, nothing supernatural about him though.
Regards ippy
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Nicholas, as a JW I thought you may take the historicist view.
The dragon was originally a symbol of a monarch. In Revelation I'd suggest it means the persecuting monarchy of Rome.
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Nicholas, as a JW I thought you may take the historicist view.
The dragon was originally a symbol of a monarch. In Revelation I'd suggest it means the persecuting monarchy of Rome.
The Holy Bible can be a book of multi-symbolism SweetPea. Who would have thought that a rogue celstial system of planets, headed by the Red Dragon, would threaten our very existence 2000 after it was first told us that it would??
Jesus Christ himself is a being of multi-symbolism. He rose from the dead but who would have thought he was showing us a science whereby we can each be resurrected, dependant upon our level of sin beforehand. It all revolves around an invisible, superabundant, indestructible, dynamic energy...which puts the whole record of God's 'word' into a new perspective...same words, but a different realisation that when we abuse this energy we abuse our genetic health so that by our sins, death came into the world.
The opposite is also true then...that by our individual repentance, as Jesus alone taught us, we restore the inballence of our nervous vigour, add to it, and reap the benefits that Jesus taught us that his followers will reap, both now and, after God's Judgement.
Nice speaking with you again SweetPea.
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Nicholas, as a JW I thought you may take the historicist view.
The dragon was originally a symbol of a monarch. In Revelation I'd suggest it means the persecuting monarchy of Rome.
Rev. 20:2... it's the symbol Revelation uses for the serpent/devil/Satan.
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The Holy Bible can be a book of multi-symbolism SweetPea. Who would have thought that a rogue celstial system of planets, headed by the Red Dragon, would threaten our very existence 2000 after it was first told us that it would??
Jesus Christ himself is a being of multi-symbolism. He rose from the dead but who would have thought he was showing us a science whereby we can each be resurrected, dependant upon our level of sin beforehand. It all revolves around an invisible, superabundant, indestructible, dynamic energy...which puts the whole record of God's 'word' into a new perspective...same words, but a different realisation that when we abuse this energy we abuse our genetic health so that by our sins, death came into the world.
The opposite is also true then...that by our individual repentance, as Jesus alone taught us, we restore the inballence of our nervous vigour, add to it, and reap the benefits that Jesus taught us that his followers will reap, both now and, after God's Judgement.
Nice speaking with you again SweetPea.
Why are you basing your fears on a Greco-Roman constelation?
The same 'group of stars' looks entitrely differnt to Chinese, Egyptian, Persian or whatever astrologers.
Constellations might have seen.
Ultimately, they are a random group of stars.
Mind you, the JW religion was founded by a twit who thought the Great Pyramid was 'a second Bible in stone'....so, we can dismiss that, then, can't we?
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Why are you basing your fears on a Greco-Roman constelation?
The same 'group of stars' looks entitrely differnt to Chinese, Egyptian, Persian or whatever astrologers.
Constellations might have seen.
Ultimately, they are a random group of stars.
Mind you, the JW religion was founded by a twit who thought the Great Pyramid was 'a second Bible in stone'....so, we can dismiss that, then, can't we?
My understanding of the Holy Bible comes from the Holy Bible itself and especially the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ. My study says that the truth contained throughout the Holy Bible is supported by a wonderful dynamic energy which is behind all scientific laws that control us, as well as far distant galaxies, and even any other entities of life that might exist out there...the same scientific laws apply to us all.
This dynamic energy is owned by Almighty God because we wouldn't even know of its existence if God hadn't told us about it, but even so, science is realising something of this nature must exist to help get their equations to make sense...they call it dark energy and dark matter. Now...if something of this nature scientifically exists it might be wise to say that maybe, just maybe, that this material, somehow, comes together and erupts in such a way that it built all the stars and atoms, as are now proven to exist today in the form of galaxies, stars, atoms and life...and by the clever way this material has come together and behaves, that somehow, on a very high intellectual level, it has an owner, a benevolent being who can tell us how it all works from the viewpoint of a righteous God, who wants the best for us all, providing we aren't part of that terrible equation summed up as 666. They, it seems, have burnt all their bridges.
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No one knows the hour or the day.
So how do you know Judgement Day is "fast approaching"?
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Nick, I see that you're still on your the bible proves the bible tack, it surprises me that you can't seem to see anything wrong with thinking the bible proves the bible, surly you must realise that you need to establish the veracity of the bible with evidence obtained from sources outside of the bible, this must be obvious to you or anyone else with only a fraction of the necessary functional brain power?
Regards ippy
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So how do you know Judgement Day is "fast approaching"?
Well jp...Jesus gives us the clues...he told his followers to look into the stars and the skies for signs. To be honest, I can't remember the last time I saw the stars in our night sky due to the heavy pollution being pumped into it...and the sun, itself, is showing some powerful disturbances upon it. Still, if you are missing all of this, you wont know what I'm talking about...All the signs are coming together in a powerful and undeniable way...and many, many people, are getting very concerned...except those who are responding righteously to those signs.
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NM: There is no indication that the sun has changed in the last four billion years. NONE. Again, this 'star watching' - are you talking about astrology? Not even the pyramidiot Russell who invented the JW cult was daft enough tobelieve THAT guff! Because, NM, we simply don't know which astrology those first centurey believers would have heard about....the Greeks, Persians, Egyptians and the rst all used different combinations of stars as their constellations - constellations which are themselves bunkum, why is why Jesus Himself wasn't an astrologer. By 'watching the heavens'? Yes! Good idea...meteors, comets and the rest pose a distinct danger....but with respect, NM, we can't see them coming without optical telescopes - which didn't exist in first century Palestine. Or are you suggesting Jesus predicted radio-telescopy, which is, of course possible? If so, then He was telling us to look for EVIDENCE......Evidence, NM, which you seem singularly unable to provide whenever I ask foe it.
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Nick, I see that you're still on your the bible proves the bible tack, it surprises me that you can't seem to see anything wrong with thinking the bible proves the bible, surly you must realise that you need to establish the veracity of the bible with evidence obtained from sources outside of the bible, this must be obvious to you or anyone else with only a fraction of the necessary functional brain power?
Regards ippy
The Holy Bible does indeed prove its own veracity...and, for me, that veracity is proven by the simple fact that it identifies a science of profound importance in this day and age.
That science dictates why we should be nice to each other...it is because we are then harnessing our inner righteous energy in a repairing way...all other routes are sin, or wasting this inner strength which leads to all the genetic malfunctions known to man. It is another aspect of evolution which moulds and bends our genetics to meet critical difficulties but in righteousness we are using the same electrical force to refresh and strengthen our genetic health to the highest degree possible. It all works because everything is restructured, dynamic energy...the same stuff that all stars, all atoms and all life are made from so you might guess that the first laws of all scientific knowledge is made from it too...but to gain individual benefit from it all we must attach ourselves to Jesus Christ's accurate teaching...else follow the accidental form of this science, heavily manipulated by the 666 contingent, and suffer the consequences.
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. To be honest, I can't remember the last time I saw the stars in our night sky due to the heavy pollution being pumped into it...
Honestly Nick? Are you being honest here Nick?
Unless you live in a tent, pitched underneath a cooling stack which for some reason is never switched off then quite frankly, I dont believe you.
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..and the sun, itself, is showing some powerful disturbances upon it.
...what disturbances?
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NM: There is no indication that the sun has changed in the last four billion years. NONE. Again, this 'star watching' - are you talking about astrology? Not even the pyramidiot Russell who invented the JW cult was daft enough tobelieve THAT guff! Because, NM, we simply don't know which astrology those first centurey believers would have heard about....the Greeks, Persians, Egyptians and the rst all used different combinations of stars as their constellations - constellations which are themselves bunkum, why is why Jesus Himself wasn't an astrologer. By 'watching the heavens'? Yes! Good idea...meteors, comets and the rest pose a distinct danger....but with respect, NM, we can't see them coming without optical telescopes - which didn't exist in first century Palestine. Or are you suggesting Jesus predicted radio-telescopy, which is, of course possible? If so, then He was telling us to look for EVIDENCE......Evidence, NM, which you seem singularly unable to provide whenever I ask foe it.
Oh Anchorman...you make many mistakes before telling me that it is me who is mistaken.
The first mistake is in telling me that Jesus was the same intellect as the people of his day. He was far superior in his knowledge than even we are today he just reduced his teaching to reach the intellectual level of the people he was speaking to...a population of people who had to be deliberately structured by the will of God so that they could receive the first scientific level of his righteous teaching. Jesus himself said look into the skies for the clues of his impending return and in a wonderful way describes events of this day and age. Events that many world leaders are preparing for but who forget to tell you about because, perhaps, you aren't included in their plans.
My experience is that if we are forewarned of a great catastrophe then we can be prepared for it, and just knowing, allows us to prepare for it, which takes out the sting when it comes...well...the Holy Bible, and in particular, Revelation, does just that...so be ready. ps...anyone who is looking at our sun today, knows, it is enlarged, glaring, displaying many peculiarities, constantly pumping out excessive ultraviolet rays and has a vast amount of observers on youtube showing images of rogue celestial bodies coming in and out of view around it.
Time to look up Anchorman and respond to Jesus Christ's call for righteous obedience...but use caution.
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Honestly Nick? Are you being honest here Nick?
Unless you live in a tent, pitched underneath a cooling stack which for some reason is never switched off then quite frankly, I dont believe you.
It's true in my observations Seb...but of course you have your own perspective and maybe live in a part of the world that has a window through what is blocking my view. What is more than likely though is that you are following a pattern that many others are doing and, without any observations at all, accept that what is above you is what you remember and , without looking critically, you expect it is still the same...an illusion which it is wise to break by doing your own research.
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It's true in my observations Seb...but of course you have your own perspective and maybe live in a part of the world that has a window through what is blocking my view.
What part of the world do you live in Nick?
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The Holy Bible does indeed prove its own veracity...and, for me, that veracity is proven by the simple fact that it identifies a science of profound importance in this day and age.
That science dictates why we should be nice to each other...it is because we are then harnessing our inner righteous energy in a repairing way...all other routes are sin, or wasting this inner strength which leads to all the genetic malfunctions known to man. It is another aspect of evolution which moulds and bends our genetics to meet critical difficulties but in righteousness we are using the same electrical force to refresh and strengthen our genetic health to the highest degree possible. It all works because everything is restructured, dynamic energy...the same stuff that all stars, all atoms and all life are made from so you might guess that the first laws of all scientific knowledge is made from it too...but to gain individual benefit from it all we must attach ourselves to Jesus Christ's accurate teaching...else follow the accidental form of this science, heavily manipulated by the 666 contingent, and suffer the consequences.
Oooooh dear I should have known better, don't let it worry you Nick.
Kind regards ippy
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Oooooh dear I should have known better, don't let it worry you Nick.
Kind regards ippy
But that's my point ippy...Though there are many great concerns in the world today, not the least being the 666 contingent...we all have a promise that reduces those worries and it is relayed to us by Jesus Christ...though I'm afraid it means following him accurately so that his electric laws become our electric laws.
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Nicholas, have you read about Michael Faraday? A lot of what you say about electricity corresponds with his beliefs and discoveries (he was a Sandemanian Christian).
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It's true in my observations Seb...but of course you have your own perspective and maybe live in a part of the world that has a window through what is blocking my view. What is more than likely though is that you are following a pattern that many others are doing and, without any observations at all, accept that what is above you is what you remember and , without looking critically, you expect it is still the same...an illusion which it is wise to break by doing your own research.
Do you live in the UK Nick?
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It's true in my observations Seb...but of course you have your own perspective and maybe live in a part of the world that has a window through what is blocking my view. What is more than likely though is that you are following a pattern that many others are doing and, without any observations at all, accept that what is above you is what you remember and , without looking critically, you expect it is still the same...an illusion which it is wise to break by doing your own research.
Stars remain clearly visible. If you're struggling, maybe a vision to Specsavers?
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... ps...anyone who is looking at our sun today, knows, it is enlarged, glaring, displaying many peculiarities, constantly pumping out excessive ultraviolet rays and has a vast amount of observers on youtube showing images of rogue celestial bodies coming in and out of view around it.
More evidence that you need to visit Specsavers.
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Nicholas, have you read about Michael Faraday? A lot of what you say about electricity corresponds with his beliefs and discoveries (he was a Sandemanian Christian).
Thanks for that Robbie...Though, of course, I know of him as an electrical scientist, I had no idea of his serious religious commitment. Shows us all that dedicated scientists can also have a deep and precious attitude towards Christian teaching...as many scientists did/do.
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Nicholas, have you read about Michael Faraday? A lot of what you say about electricity corresponds with his beliefs and discoveries (he was a Sandemanian Christian).
Which beliefs do NM and Faraday share Robbie?
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Seb/Maeght...
Yes I live in uk...and you are probably right that I need to go to specsavers...but it doesn't alter...one iota... that strange things are happening in our skies and, in particular, around our sun. Now, you can ridicule me, which is the standard way of dealing with things you don't want to stretch your mind around, but it is a bit harder to ridicule the hard core of observers who are proclaiming the same things I am seeing, and been observing for a long time now. You too, and your families, are living under all that pollution that is being pumped out above your heads...and one of my many life experiences (not me) tell me that suffering from critical bronchitis and asthma isn't a joyride...but it is up to you...it is the pay-off for allowing the 666 contingent to take advantage of us at a time of great tribulations which the naivest of observers could spot quickly and realise that something scary is going on.
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Nicholas, have you read about Michael Faraday? A lot of what you say about electricity corresponds with his beliefs and discoveries (he was a Sandemanian Christian).
Perhaps Nick should avail himself of a Faraday cage for some of his more superabundant electric days?
Regards ippy
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Seb/Maeght...
Yes I live in uk...and you are probably right that I need to go to specsavers...but it doesn't alter...one iota... that strange things are happening in our skies and, in particular, around our sun. Now, you can ridicule me, which is the standard way of dealing with things you don't want to stretch your mind around, but it is a bit harder to ridicule the hard core of observers who are proclaiming the same things I am seeing, and been observing for a long time now. You too, and your families, are living under all that pollution that is being pumped out above your heads...and one of my many life experiences (not me) tell me that suffering from critical bronchitis and asthma isn't a joyride...but it is up to you...it is the pay-off for allowing the 666 contingent to take advantage of us at a time of great tribulations which the naivest of observers could spot quickly and realise that something scary is going on.
No one is denying that we are polluting thus planet and that asthma etc are serious medical conditions. The issue comes when you use your overactive imagination to link this to some conspiracy theories and the imagined changes in solar activity. Just because you're not the only one with such an over active inagination and you can find others on line who share your beliefs doesn't make them right.
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Seb/Maeght...
Yes I live in uk...and you are probably right that I need to go to specsavers...but it doesn't alter...one iota... that strange things are happening in our skies and, in particular, around our sun. Now, you can ridicule me, which is the standard way of dealing with things you don't want to stretch your mind around, but it is a bit harder to ridicule the hard core of observers who are proclaiming the same things I am seeing, and been observing for a long time now. You too, and your families, are living under all that pollution that is being pumped out above your heads...and one of my many life experiences (not me) tell me that suffering from critical bronchitis and asthma isn't a joyride...but it is up to you...it is the pay-off for allowing the 666 contingent to take advantage of us at a time of great tribulations which the naivest of observers could spot quickly and realise that something scary is going on.
Wait a minute. Are you now saying that you cannot see the stars because if your poor eyesight rather than there being too much pollution for anyone to see them?
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Seb/Maeght...
that strange things are happening in our skies and, in particular, around our sun.
What, in particular, is happening around our sun?
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Which beliefs do NM and Faraday share Robbie?
Not only Farady, Maeght....the greatest of early archaeologists, W.M. Flinders Petrie, was a committed Christian. Like Russell, he went to Egypt as a pyramidiot, determined to prove the Pentateuch innerant, and the parousia guaranteed through the insane 'pyrajmid Inch' so beloved of the Jehovah Witness cult and found to be complete balderdash....but he found evidence....real, substantive evidence....for genuine history.
Also like Farady, this did not shake his faith in Christ one iota.....I really wish NM would emulate both of them, and produce genuibne evidence, instead of producing the same diatribe over and over again.
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I was doing a bit of digging about Nick's beliefs, Anchor, and came across Faraday, his faith and scientific research (he was called a 'Natural Philosopher' in those days), which of course led to electromagnetism. However, on the way, I came across a site that dealt with Egyptology and electricity & immediately thought of you!
Amazing what you can find when you start googling. I started off with 'Jesus and electricity' !
(I did find something about God and an electric power shower but didn't open that link, mind boggles.)
Faraday is certainly an interesting character, I'd love to see a TV drama-doc about him.
The reason I was looking into NM's beliefs was because someone above said he was a JW; I don't think so, he hasn't said as much has he? I doubt he would confine himself to a single box. Could be wrong of course.
I must say I can see the stars on a clear night - & we do have them, nor have I noticed anything different about the sun.
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Not only Farady, Maeght....the greatest of early archaeologists, W.M. Flinders Petrie, was a committed Christian. Like Russell, he went to Egypt as a pyramidiot, determined to prove the Pentateuch innerant, and the parousia guaranteed through the insane 'pyrajmid Inch' so beloved of the Jehovah Witness cult and found to be complete balderdash....but he found evidence....real, substantive evidence....for genuine history.
Also like Farady, this did not shake his faith in Christ one iota.....I really wish NM would emulate both of them, and produce genuibne evidence, instead of producing the same diatribe over and over again.
Oh yes, I know they and other scientists have been and are Christians. But NM has a particular take on it andxwondered if this was shared by Faraday.
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I was doing a bit of digging about Nick's beliefs, Anchor, and came across Faraday, his faith and scientific research (he was called a 'Natural Philosopher' in those days), which of course led to electromagnetism. However, on the way, I came across a site that dealt with Egyptology and electricity & immediately thought of you!
Amazing what you can find when you start googling. I started off with 'Jesus and electricity' !
(I did find something about God and an electric power shower but didn't open that link, mind boggles.)
Faraday is certainly an interesting character, I'd love to see a TV drama-doc about him.
The reason I was looking into NM's beliefs was because someone above said he was a JW; I don't think so, he hasn't said as much has he? I doubt he would confine himself to a single box. Could be wrong of course.
I must say I can see the stars on a clear night - & we do have them, nor have I noticed anything different about the sun.
Well Rob, now they've spoiled page three for me, certainly took my mind off of world pollution for a moment or two.
Regards ippy
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ippy/Maeght/Robbie/Anchorman/Seb...
Much of what I am telling you is provable by valid scientific analysis of the subject...Many scientists have conducted detailed analysis on this problem and have expressed their sincere concerns, have had conferences on the subject, and realised that they are being ignored. Its such a huge problem but its all linked in with that contingent of 666...Those who have turned their backs on Almighty God.
You cannot possibly be looking up into the skies with an honest desire to learn the truth else you would see the truth as well...unless you think that the constant barrage of air-planes that are pouring out chem-trails into the upper atmosphere are on a sunday jaunt. Like the Holy Bible, it needs a genuine study to realise the truth and, I'm afraid, ridiculing the truth will achieve nothing scientific what-so-ever...but when the stifling atmosphere comes into play you will be able to see that all your coughing and wheezing is the payment for your ridicule, whilst those causing it will be sitting in their protective dwellings laughing at your dilemma. Fortunately, the Holy Bible offers protection to those who haven't burnt their bridges. It is first law electronics that we should upbuild a righteous spirit within us to safeguard us against every eventually, and resurrection is on our side.
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ippy/Maeght/Robbie/Anchorman/Seb...
Much of what I am telling you is provable by valid scientific analysis of the subject..
Nick
What scientific or otherwise, proof do you have that from where you live, the stars cannot be seen at night due to being blocked out by pollution?
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ippy/Maeght/Robbie/Anchorman/Seb...
Much of what I am telling you is provable by valid scientific analysis of the subject...Many scientists have conducted detailed analysis on this problem and have expressed their sincere concerns,
In that case, there will be valid scientific papers published on these matters.
Care to share them?
Nick?
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ippy/Maeght/Robbie/Anchorman/Seb...
.unless you think that the constant barrage of air-planes that are pouring out chem-trails into the upper atmosphere are on a sunday jaunt.
Vapour trails are not chem trails.
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ippy/Maeght/Robbie/Anchorman/Seb... Much of what I am telling you is provable by valid scientific analysis of the subject...Many scientists have conducted detailed analysis on this problem and have expressed their sincere concerns, have had conferences on the subject, and realised that they are being ignored. Its such a huge problem but its all linked in with that contingent of 666...Those who have turned their backs on Almighty God. You cannot possibly be looking up into the skies with an honest desire to learn the truth else you would see the truth as well...unless you think that the constant barrage of air-planes that are pouring out chem-trails into the upper atmosphere are on a sunday jaunt. Like the Holy Bible, it needs a genuine study to realise the truth and, I'm afraid, ridiculing the truth will achieve nothing scientific what-so-ever...but when the stifling atmosphere comes into play you will be able to see that all your coughing and wheezing is the payment for your ridicule, whilst those causing it will be sitting in their protective dwellings laughing at your dilemma. Fortunately, the Holy Bible offers protection to those who haven't burnt their bridges. It is first law electronics that we should upbuild a righteous spirit within us to safeguard us against every eventually, and resurrection is on our side.
If 'much of what I say is provable', NM, then give the3 blasted proofs! Show us the evidence that proves it! Simple!
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ippy/Maeght/Robbie/Anchorman/Seb...
Much of what I am telling you is provable by valid scientific analysis of the subject...Many scientists have conducted detailed analysis on this problem and have expressed their sincere concerns, have had conferences on the subject, and realised that they are being ignored.
Conferences on Global Warming etc - yes.
Its such a huge problem but its all linked in with that contingent of 666...Those who have turned their backs on Almighty God.
In what way exactly?
You cannot possibly be looking up into the skies with an honest desire to learn the truth else you would see the truth as well...unless you think that the constant barrage of air-planes that are pouring out chem-trails into the upper atmosphere are on a sunday jaunt. Like the Holy Bible, it needs a genuine study to realise the truth and, I'm afraid, ridiculing the truth will achieve nothing scientific what-so-ever...but when the stifling atmosphere comes into play you will be able to see that all your coughing and wheezing is the payment for your ridicule, whilst those causing it will be sitting in their protective dwellings laughing at your dilemma. Fortunately, the Holy Bible offers protection to those who haven't burnt their bridges. It is first law electronics that we should upbuild a righteous spirit within us to safeguard us against every eventually, and resurrection is on our side.
Trails left by aeroplanes are not chemicals they are water vapour.
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Maeght/Seb/Anchorman...
It's not my job to do your research for you...it's all out there in the public domain. You are just voicing the standard replies that have been proven worthless against the evidence. Geoengineering and patents held in the US are among the excuses given for disguising what is happening but the main concern is the rogue celestial system which Biblically will grow in distress, (great tribulations), like birth pains of a pregnant women about to give birth...and it is happening now.
The Holy Bible gives an account which is now manifesting itself to us identifying the fact of just how terrible it will all be, including the fate of the 666 contingent...it is recorded in Revelation 21:8...and so it is with loving concern that I urge you to find out about it for yourselves.
The only safeguard needed is in following the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ, in a sincere and righteous way.
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Maeght/Seb/Anchorman...
It's not my job to do your research for you...it's all out there in the public domain. You are just voicing the standard replies that have been proven worthless against the evidence. Geoengineering and patents held in the US are among the excuses given for disguising what is happening but the main concern is the rogue celestial system which Biblically will grow in distress, (great tribulations), like birth pains of a pregnant women about to give birth...and it is happening now.
The Holy Bible gives an account which is now manifesting itself to us identifying the fact of just how terrible it will all be, including the fate of the 666 contingent...it is recorded in Revelation 21:8...and so it is with loving concern that I urge you to find out about it for yourselves.
The only safeguard needed is in following the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ, in a sincere and righteous way.
You cannot provide the evidence because there is none other than in your over fertile imagination. Your "I cannot see the stars" proving that point.
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Maeght/Seb/Anchorman...
It's not my job to do your research for you...it's all out there in the public domain. You are just voicing the standard replies that have been proven worthless against the evidence. Geoengineering and patents held in the US are among the excuses given for disguising what is happening but the main concern is the rogue celestial system which Biblically will grow in distress, (great tribulations), like birth pains of a pregnant women about to give birth...and it is happening now.
The Holy Bible gives an account which is now manifesting itself to us identifying the fact of just how terrible it will all be, including the fate of the 666 contingent...it is recorded in Revelation 21:8...and so it is with loving concern that I urge you to find out about it for yourselves.
The only safeguard needed is in following the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ, in a sincere and righteous way.
All the conspiracy theory nonsense you are talking about has been debunked and is no more than then product of over active imaginations such as yours. I urge you to take a step back from all this, and to view things a fresh after a break. You'll find that you wonder why on earth you thought what you do now.
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NM; The conspiracy guff some idiots post on you tube isn't evidence, you know. Evidence is something reputable scholars in the field can scrutinise, and either confirm or reject,. Much of the drivel on these 'sites' is worse than useless. Remember the 'Nabiru' rot? The planet which was absolutely, definitely, utterly going to collide with us two years ago? - a planet no-one has as yet seen, and we've found REAL planets hundreds of light years away. Or the nonsense of misinterpreting the Maya ca lender to definitely show the end of the world in 2016? Or the deluded twit CT Russell, founder of the Jehovah Witness cult, who definitely predicted the end of the world in the early twentieth century using garbage called a 'pyramid inch', and calling the Great Pyramid "A work of God; a second Bible in stone"? You throw in words such as "Accurate", "Science" and the like....but completely fail to take account of real, accurate science from noted experts in their disciplines. You make arguments without providing evidence to back those arguments. How are we expected to take you seriously?
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Seb/Maeght/Anchorman
The Holy Bible and in particular Revelation is the only evidence I need and because of all the earthquakes, the floodings, the magnetic upheavals, the mass die-offs, the terrible threats of wars and rumours of wars...plus all the points made here, by me,...I suggest we are entering into the 'last days' of this wicked system and as it seems to describe a huge, rogue, celestial system, disturbing planet Earth in many calamitous ways, I would give those observers, of whom valid scientists have contributed, a second take...even research it yourselves, if you are able.
So, what should we expect?
No more and no less than is happening now...but progressively getting worse...But here is a helping hand... The universe is all electric and we have an electric strength, proven by the fact that the 666 contingent works in ways to deplete their targets of that inner strength to make them docile and unable even to be able to register the evidence of the evil behaviour that they are perpetrating...but the fiery lake of sulphur will have the last word and this will be the cut off point for any further repentance.
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Seb/Maeght/Anchorman
The Holy Bible and in particular Revelation is the only evidence I need and because of all the earthquakes, the floodings, the magnetic upheavals, the mass die-offs, the terrible threats of wars and rumours of wars..
Nick
There have always been earthquakes, floodings, mass die-offs, threats of wars and rumours of wars..
Only some people with an over fertile imagination link them to the writings of someone who had a hyper over fertile imagination. Add the two together and you get "predictions" and every single one of them has come to nothing.
Just step back and think for a moment as to how many years that you personally have been "predicting" and how many things you have been switching from and to, to support your "predictions".
You are a classic conspiracy theory type bandwagon jumper.
Nibaru, Wormwood, Red Dragon, electric universe, unspinning earth, kick started evolution, eathquakes, very ropey Youtube videos with absolutely no proof behind them etc etc. The list goes on and on and on.
Take a step back for a while Nick and go and do some real living. You just might enjoy it!
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Sparky,
…and because of all the earthquakes, the floodings, the magnetic upheavals…
Long ago you told us that there was an increase in the incidence of earthquakes, and that you thought this had some religious significance. I gave you the actual statistics that showed that the incidence of earthquakes is exactly as it always had been – there’s been neither an increase nor a decrease.
I then invited you on numerous occasions to withdraw your false claim, in response to which you evaded and avoided and eventually just ran away from your mistake.
I see that you’ve now returned to the same false claim. Should we conclude therefore that you’re forgetful, or dishonest?
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Sparky,
No...I'm not wrong because that is the Biblical teaching which I believe implicitly...
No doubt you do believe it implicitly. Can you think of any reason though for anyone else who isn't credulous to believe it implicitly too?
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Seb/Maeght/Anchorman
The Holy Bible and in particular Revelation is the only evidence I need and because of all the earthquakes, the floodings, the magnetic upheavals, the mass die-offs, the terrible threats of wars and rumours of wars...plus all the points made here, by me,...I suggest we are entering into the 'last days' of this wicked system and as it seems to describe a huge, rogue, celestial system, disturbing planet Earth in many calamitous ways, I would give those observers, of whom valid scientists have contributed, a second take...even research it yourselves, if you are able.
So, what should we expect?
No more and no less than is happening now...but progressively getting worse...But here is a helping hand... The universe is all electric and we have an electric strength, proven by the fact that the 666 contingent works in ways to deplete their targets of that inner strength to make them docile and unable even to be able to register the evidence of the evil behaviour that they are perpetrating...but the fiery lake of sulphur will have the last word and this will be the cut off point for any further repentance.
Have looked at it, and it is all nonsense. People with over active imaginations peddling bizarre, unsupported ideas to other people with over active imaginations. Take no notice, relax, and enjoy life. Please.
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Maeght/bhs R/Seb...
Just as a quick exercise, especially for you Seb/bhs R...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deadly_earthquakes_since_1900
For a 22 year period 1900-1921 there were 106 earthquakes which took life whilst through the 22 year period of 1990-2011 there were 479 such earthquakes. The earliest period 1900-21 averaged...5 earthquakes per year whilst 1990-2011 averaged...23 earthquakes per year.
Only individual scrutiny of the data can reveal truth because in this digital age data can be manipulated to suit organisations with an axe to grind against the truth...and the unprepared and the unsuspecting fall for it every time...and...dare I say it...you are believing what you are told instead of verifying the facts...Jesus Christ can help you.
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Maeght/bhs R/Seb...
Just as a quick exercise, especially for you Seb/bhs R...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deadly_earthquakes_since_1900
For a 22 year period 1900-1921 there were 106 earthquakes which took life whilst through the 22 year period of 1990-2011 there were 479 such earthquakes. The earliest period 1900-21 averaged...5 earthquakes per year whilst 1990-2011 averaged...23 earthquakes per year.
Only individual scrutiny of the data can reveal truth because in this digital age data can be manipulated to suit organisations with an axe to grind against the truth...and the unprepared and the unsuspecting fall for it every time...and...dare I say it...you are believing what you are told instead of verifying the facts...Jesus Christ can help you.
Well what verifcation did you do to ensure that the stars could not in fact be seen at night due to "pollution"?
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The reason I was looking into NM's beliefs was because someone above said he was a JW; I don't think so, he hasn't said as much has he? I doubt he would confine himself to a single box. Could be wrong of course.
Hi Robbie
I think I can affirm fairly positively that NM is not a JW. I was ensnared by them between the ages of eleven and fourteen (a very long time ago) and they would not let such a loose canon as NM claim to be one of their own - they are a very controlling sect and their doctrines are proclaimed by the 'infallible' Watchtower Inc. (They may have changed a few of these in the last few decades, but only with a slightly looser attitude to predictions about Armageddon, I think).
NM's connections to the JWs seem to relate to two things: he claims that the New World Translation is the most accurate of all (though without his having the slightest acquaintance with ancient Hebrew, Aramaic or Koine Greek), and accepts their doctrine of the non-divinity of Christ. Judging by his gleeful references to "The Lake of Fire" and other post-mortem torments, he would appear to directly contradict the JWs on their doctrine of the fate of the 'unsaved', which they believe is a state of absolute death and unconsciousness - this is perhaps the one and only aspect of real JW teaching which is at all wholesome, and it certainly has a lot of support from the Old Testament at least.
Beyond that, his pronouncements are entirely the result of his imaginative speculation, fuelled by his trawling the more lunatic fringes of the Internet.
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Nick. What reputable verification have you got to back up your claim if air planes constantly spewing out chem trails?
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Sparky,
Maeght/bhs R/Seb...
Just as a quick exercise, especially for you Seb/bhs R...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deadly_earthquakes_since_1900
For a 22 year period 1900-1921 there were 106 earthquakes which took life whilst through the 22 year period of 1990-2011 there were 479 such earthquakes. The earliest period 1900-21 averaged...5 earthquakes per year whilst 1990-2011 averaged...23 earthquakes per year.
Only individual scrutiny of the data can reveal truth because in this digital age data can be manipulated to suit organisations with an axe to grind against the truth...and the unprepared and the unsuspecting fall for it every time...and...dare I say it...you are believing what you are told instead of verifying the facts...Jesus Christ can help you.
You’re cheating.
First, let’s get the actual statistics for the incidence of earthquakes alone here:
http://earthsky.org/earth/are-large-earthquakes-increasing-in-frequency
And some extracts from the article here:
“Earthquakes 8.0 magnitude and above have struck at a record rate since 2004. But the increased rate was not statistically different from what you’d expect from random chance.
Large earthquakes greater than 8.0 in magnitude have struck the Earth at a record high rate since 2004 but scientists have analyzed the historical record and found that the increase in seismic activity was likely due to mere chance. Peter Shearer at Scripps Institution of Oceanography and Philip Stark at the University of California, Berkeley examined the global frequency of large magnitude earthquakes from 1900 to 2011. They discovered that while the frequency of magnitude 8.0 and higher earthquakes has been slightly elevated since 2004 – at a rate of about 1.2 to 1.4 earthquakes per year – the increased rate was not statistically different from what one might expect to see from random chance. The results of the study were published on January 17, 2012 in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
Shearer is a Professor of Geophysics at Scripps Institution of Oceanography, and Stark is a Professor and Vice Chair of Statistics at the University of California. In looking through the historical record, these scientists noticed that a disproportionately high number of large earthquakes greater than 8.0 in magnitude also occurred between 1950 and 1965. Then, there was a bit of a slump in seismic activity from 1996 to 2003.”
To summarise, sometimes the incidence of earthquakes goes up a bit within statistically expected norms, and sometimes it goes down a bit, within statistically expected norms.
The variances in each direction are not in other words statistically significant.
Second, you just changed the criterion from “earthquakes” to “earthquakes which took life”. If I take the mid points in the two spreads you referenced moreover (ie, 1910 and 2000 respectively) the global populations were 1,750m and 6,094m respectively, ie around 3.5 times more in the year 2000 than in the year 1910 (http://www.ecology.com/population-estimates-year-2050/).
That is, even without allowing for distribution effects (ie, populations growing or appearing in high risk areas along tectonic fault lines like Japan and California) that means that crudely there were some 3.5 times as many opportunities for people to be killed at the later date. Which, by a remarkable co-incidence, isn't too far from what happened.
Can you see now were you’ve gone wrong again? You might think that "Jesus Christ can help you", but even a basic grasp of the data will help you a lot more
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Maeght/bhs R/Seb...
Just as a quick exercise, especially for you Seb/bhs R...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deadly_earthquakes_since_1900
For a 22 year period 1900-1921 there were 106 earthquakes which took life whilst through the 22 year period of 1990-2011 there were 479 such earthquakes. The earliest period 1900-21 averaged...5 earthquakes per year whilst 1990-2011 averaged...23 earthquakes per year.
Only individual scrutiny of the data can reveal truth because in this digital age data can be manipulated to suit organisations with an axe to grind against the truth...and the unprepared and the unsuspecting fall for it every time...and...dare I say it...you are believing what you are told instead of verifying the facts...Jesus Christ can help you.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/18/2018-set-to-be-year-of-big-earthquakes
http://www.earthquakes.bgs.ac.uk/news/EQ_increase.html
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/18/2018-set-to-be-year-of-big-earthquakes
http://www.earthquakes.bgs.ac.uk/news/EQ_increase.html
Nick. Do you actually read the links that you post?
From your second link:
"Recent devastating earthquakes in Haiti, Chile and China, as well as magnitude 7 plus earthquakes in Indonesia and California, might give the impression that earthquake activity is increasing. In fact, a quick look at earthquake statistics over the last twenty years shows that this is not the case. On average there are about fifteen earthquakes every year with a magnitude of 7 or greater. As with any quasi-random phenomena, the number of earthquakes each year varies slightly from this average, but in general, there are no dramatic variations. So far this year, there have been six magnitude 7+ earthquakes, in keeping with the annual rate"
You couldn't make it up!
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I posted that, not NM.
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Seb,
Nick. Do you actually read the links that you post?
From your second link:
"Recent devastating earthquakes in Haiti, Chile and China, as well as magnitude 7 plus earthquakes in Indonesia and California, might give the impression that earthquake activity is increasing. In fact, a quick look at earthquake statistics over the last twenty years shows that this is not the case. On average there are about fifteen earthquakes every year with a magnitude of 7 or greater. As with any quasi-random phenomena, the number of earthquakes each year varies slightly from this average, but in general, there are no dramatic variations. So far this year, there have been six magnitude 7+ earthquakes, in keeping with the annual rate"
You couldn't make it up!
He just did - or at least he just made up his conclusion.
So, what have we learned here (apart from Sparky's failure to grasp how data works)? For starters, I guess we've learned that Jesus wasn't much of a seismologist, which'll be useful to know if ever I'm faced with a choice between running for an earthquake shelter or praying to be saved.
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bhs R/Maeght/Sebastian Toe/Dicky Underpants...
Though I continue to maintain that earthquakes are dramatically on the increase, in diverse place, it is wise to understand what constitutes an earthquake. Bombs make the earth quake...volcanoes...sinkholes...even the sun creates earthquakes. There are constant rumblings around the world, especially in US, highlighted by tremors under the ground, shaking houses...but what would certainly contribute to all of this would be rogue, planetary systems, gravitationally pulling on, and underneath, the Earth's tectonic plates, and as this appears to be happening right now, we can expect many more earthquakes, with devastating consequences. This might be, just might be, why there have been secret and reinforced, underground facilities springing up all around the world and why they are being kept secret, and why amateur observers are required to bring it all to your attention.
Not to worry, all these things must happen before that Great Earthquake which will signal the deathblow for all those listed in Revelation 21:8 (666)...but don't be surprised if the part of them that is indestructible, their unholy spirit, is dragged into the fiery lake of sulphur, for evermore, when it could have endured for all eternity, here on planet Earth, with a new universal science and freedom from all evil...but you have to be in it to win it...That means, following Jesus Christ accurately.
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bhs R/Maeght/Sebastian Toe/Dicky Underpants...
Though I continue to maintain that earthquakes are dramatically on the increase, in diverse place, it is wise to understand what constitutes an earthquake. Bombs make the earth quake...volcanoes...sinkholes...even the sun creates earthquakes. There are constant rumblings around the world, especially in US, highlighted by tremors under the ground, shaking houses...but what would certainly contribute to all of this would be rogue, planetary systems, gravitationally pulling on, and underneath, the Earth's tectonic plates, and as this appears to be happening right now, we can expect many more earthquakes, with devastating consequences. This might be, just might be, why there have been secret and reinforced, underground facilities springing up all around the world and why they are being kept secret, and why amateur observers are required to bring it all to your attention.
Not to worry, all these things must happen before that Great Earthquake which will signal the deathblow for all those listed in Revelation 21:8 (666)...but don't be surprised if the part of them that is indestructible, their unholy spirit, is dragged into the fiery lake of sulphur, for evermore, when it could have endured for all eternity, here on planet Earth, with a new universal science and freedom from all evil...but you have to be in it to win it...That means, following Jesus Christ accurately.
No evidence for rogue planetary systems. There are other explanations for perceived and real variations seen in earthquakes, as per my links.
Secret bunkers? Any evidence for those (evidence not stories on conspiracy websites)?
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Sparky,
Though I continue to maintain that earthquakes are dramatically on the increase, in diverse place, it is wise to understand what constitutes an earthquake.
Why would you “continue to maintain” a demonstrable lie?
Bombs make the earthquake...volcanoes...sinkholes...even the sun creates earthquakes.
What on earth are you talking about? Earthquakes are the shaking of the surface of the Earth, resulting from the sudden release of energy in the Earth's lithosphere that creates seismic waves. It is possible to create seismic wave artificially (by detonating an underground thermo-nuclear device for example) but it’s a rare event. Sinkholes and the Sun have nothing to do with it.
There are constant rumblings around the world, especially in US, highlighted by tremors under the ground, shaking houses...but what would certainly contribute to all of this would be rogue, planetary systems, gravitationally pulling on, and underneath, the Earth's tectonic plates, and as this appears to be happening right now, we can expect many more earthquakes, with devastating consequences. This might be, just might be, why there have been secret underground facilities springing up all around the world and why they are being kept secret, and why amateur observers are required to bring it all to your attention.
Utter nonsense. The extent to which tectonic movement is affected by gravitational effects is debatable, but the “rogue planetary movements”, “we can expect many more earthquakes” etc is just the product of your overactive imagination.
Not to worry…
No-one does worry about your fantasies.
…all these things must happen before that Great Earthquake which will signal the deathblow for all those listed in Revelation 21:8 (666)...but don't be surprised if the part of them that is indestructible, their unholy spirit, is dragged into the fiery lake of sulphur, for evermore, when it could have endured for all eternity, here on planet Earth, with a new universal science and freedom from all evil...but you have to be in it to win it...That means, following Jesus Christ accurately.
Utter gibberish noted.
So back on planet Earth for a moment, what the evidence tells us is that earthquakes occur with the same statistically insignificant variances that have been known about since records began. We also know by the way that when more people live in earthquake-prone areas then more people will be killed by earthquakes – a basic mistake you made and that I corrected for you, but that you have just ignored.
Why is that?
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bhs R/Maeght/Sebastian Toe/Dicky Underpants...
but what would certainly contribute to all of this would be rogue, planetary systems, gravitationally pulling on, and underneath, the Earth's tectonic plates,
What you plainly and demonstratively fail to understand is that any "rogue" planetary influence on gravity enough to affect the Earth's crust would be pulling the other planets out of their normal orbit. As none of this is currently being observed then your assertions can safely be put where they belong - in the rubbish bin.
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bhs R/Maeght/Sebastian Toe/Dicky Underpants...
Though I continue to maintain that earthquakes are dramatically on the increase, in diverse place, it is wise to understand what constitutes an earthquake. Bombs make the earth quake...volcanoes...sinkholes...even the sun creates earthquakes.
In that sense Nick, dropping a pencil on the ground creates an "earthquake" a very small one but one nevertheless!
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In that sense Nick, dropping a pencil on the ground creates an "earthquake" a very small one but one nevertheless!
... even Mexico beating Germany .... https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/world-cup-2018-mexico-earthquake_uk_5b275554e4b0783ae12a9a4f?qbc&utm_hp_ref=uk-homepage
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This is rubbish, NM. Not only rubbish, but really bad aoplogetics. Scientists - real scientists, that is, are tryying to determihne the existyance of an object which should orbit outside that of Neptune. By infinitely small changes in orbit, they know something is there. ....but can't as yet find it. "Infinately small", NM. So small that this body has as much influence as a feather orbiting Mars does on Earth's orbit and climate. They've been trying to find this object for over a ecade, using all the instruments at their disposal, but no luck. So how the blood and stomach pills could the greatest scientists - many of them Christian - miss an entire planetary system which you claim.....with absolutely no evidence whatsoever - is influencing Earth in some way? That's an insult to the intelligence.....and takes away from the Gospel. Way to go, NM, double negative......
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This is rubbish, NM. Not only rubbish, but really bad aoplogetics. Scientists - real scientists, that is, are tryying to determihne the existyance of an object which should orbit outside that of Neptune. By infinitely small changes in orbit, they know something is there. ....but can't as yet find it. "Infinately small", NM. So small that this body has as much influence as a feather orbiting Mars does on Earth's orbit and climate. They've been trying to find this object for over a ecade, using all the instruments at their disposal, but no luck. So how the blood and stomach pills could the greatest scientists - many of them Christian - miss an entire planetary system which you claim.....with absolutely no evidence whatsoever - is influencing Earth in some way? That's an insult to the intelligence.....and takes away from the Gospel. Way to go, NM, double negative......
Well put Anchor, only trouble is I think your'll find that your target is impenetrable to reason.
Regards ippy
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It's true in my observations Seb...but of course you have your own perspective and maybe live in a part of the world that has a window through what is blocking my view. What is more than likely though is that you are following a pattern that many others are doing and, without any observations at all, accept that what is above you is what you remember and , without looking critically, you expect it is still the same...an illusion which it is wise to break by doing your own research.
Oh, come on, Nicholas! The stars are perfectly visible on a clear night!
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Seb/Maeght/bhs R/Steve H/ippy/Anchorman/ekim...
There is enough evidence to prove that I'm right...especially by way of the hydrogen bombs and the nuclear bombs and all the other bombs of the two world wars...If they aren't earthquakes, in diverse places, I don't know what is...diverse here being places where they shouldn't happen.
As far as gravity is concerned, I'm afraid it is an unknown property until we realise the true nature of the universe. Gravity is an imploding force created by mass warping space and space can only be warped if there is a clash of two universal forces...and indeed there are...our dimension is one of those forces and the static dimension, made known to us in the Holy Bible, is the other. They run side by side except the static universe is a relic from before the big-bang whilst ours is travelling at the high speed of the expanding universe...hence all the scientific laws that are made known to us by our modern science becomes null and void when we accept there is a higher science, of which, Jesus Christ, is the only scientist of any worth.
What this all means then is that when someone makes a point which is difficult to understand then it is wise to do some research before shooting from the hip.
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Seb/Maeght/bhs R/Steve H/ippy/Anchorman/ekim...
There is enough evidence to prove that I'm right...especially by way of the hydrogen bombs and the nuclear bombs and all the other bombs of the two world wars...If they aren't earthquakes, in diverse places, I don't know what is...diverse here being places where they shouldn't happen.
As far as gravity is concerned, I'm afraid it is an unknown property until we realise the true nature of the universe. Gravity is an imploding force created by mass warping space and space can only be warped if there is a clash of two universal forces...and indeed there are...our dimension is one of those forces and the static dimension, made known to us in the Holy Bible, is the other. They run side by side except the static universe is a relic from before the big-bang whilst ours is travelling at the high speed of the expanding universe...hence all the scientific laws that are made known to us by our modern science becomes null and void when we accept there is a higher science, of which, Jesus Christ, is the only scientist of any worth.
What this all means then is that when someone makes a point which is difficult to understand then it is wise to do some research before shooting from the hip.
Nothing about time in there then Nick?
Regards ippy
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Nothing about time in there then Nick?
Regards ippy
There is if we include that in God's declaration about the static universe...a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years a day...a few thousand years before Einstein said...at the speed of light, time stands still.
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There is if we include that in God's declaration about the static universe...a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years a day...a few thousand years before Einstein said...at the speed of light, time stands still.
What about the distortion of space and time combined pushing us down on to this little speck called Earth.
Don't tell me your little righteous superabundant electromagnetic inexhaustible forces are giving up on you and not giving you all of the necessary info?
Now I'm starting to worry about you Nick.
Regards ippy
PS Any idea where I can get some black candles Nick?
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Seb/Maeght/bhs R/Steve H/ippy/Anchorman/ekim...
There is enough evidence to prove that I'm right...especially by way of the hydrogen bombs and the nuclear bombs and all the other bombs of the two world wars...If they aren't earthquakes, in diverse places, I don't know what is...diverse here being places where they shouldn't happen.
As far as gravity is concerned, I'm afraid it is an unknown property until we realise the true nature of the universe. Gravity is an imploding force created by mass warping space and space can only be warped if there is a clash of two universal forces...and indeed there are...our dimension is one of those forces and the static dimension, made known to us in the Holy Bible, is the other. They run side by side except the static universe is a relic from before the big-bang whilst ours is travelling at the high speed of the expanding universe...hence all the scientific laws that are made known to us by our modern science becomes null and void when we accept there is a higher science, of which, Jesus Christ, is the only scientist of any worth.
What this all means then is that when someone makes a point which is difficult to understand then it is wise to do some research before shooting from the hip.
Research is good. Believing the nonsense on Conspiracy Theory websites written by people with over active imaginations isn't.
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Seb/Maeght/bhs R/Steve H/ippy/Anchorman/ekim...
There is enough evidence to prove that I'm right...
...about not being able to see the stars because of 'pollution' in the UK?
I don't think so.
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What this all means then is that when someone makes a point which is difficult to understand then it is wise to do some research before shooting from the hip.
Were you shooting from the hip Nick when you gave us this?
"Recent devastating earthquakes in Haiti, Chile and China, as well as magnitude 7 plus earthquakes in Indonesia and California, might give the impression that earthquake activity is increasing. In fact, a quick look at earthquake statistics over the last twenty years shows that this is not the case. On average there are about fifteen earthquakes every year with a magnitude of 7 or greater. As with any quasi-random phenomena, the number of earthquakes each year varies slightly from this average, but in general, there are no dramatic variations. So far this year, there have been six magnitude 7+ earthquakes, in keeping with the annual rate"
Thanks to your accurate research Nick, we can rest assured that there are no issues with earthquake statistics for now.
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Sparky,
There is enough evidence to prove that I'm right...especially by way of the hydrogen bombs and the nuclear bombs and all the other bombs of the two world wars...If they aren't earthquakes, in diverse places, I don't know what is...diverse here being places where they shouldn't happen.
As far as gravity is concerned, I'm afraid it is an unknown property until we realise the true nature of the universe. Gravity is an imploding force created by mass warping space and space can only be warped if there is a clash of two universal forces...and indeed there are...our dimension is one of those forces and the static dimension, made known to us in the Holy Bible, is the other. They run side by side except the static universe is a relic from before the big-bang whilst ours is travelling at the high speed of the expanding universe...hence all the scientific laws that are made known to us by our modern science becomes null and void when we accept there is a higher science, of which, Jesus Christ, is the only scientist of any worth.
What this all means then is that when someone makes a point which is difficult to understand then it is wise to do some research before shooting from the hip.
Your assertion was that the incidence of earthquakes is increasing. You've had the fact explained to you that the incidence of earthquakes is in fact only varying (ie, both increasing and decreasing over time) within narrow, statistically expected and unexceptional ranges. This means that you were mistaken.
If you ignore the facts and continue to make your evidence-assertions, this means that you are lying.
Why are you lying?
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Seb/Maeght/bhs R/Steve H/ippy/Anchorman/ekim...
There is enough evidence to prove that I'm right...especially by way of the hydrogen bombs and the nuclear bombs and all the other bombs of the two world wars...If they aren't earthquakes, in diverse places, I don't know what is...diverse here being places where they shouldn't happen.
As far as gravity is concerned, I'm afraid it is an unknown property until we realise the true nature of the universe. Gravity is an imploding force created by mass warping space and space can only be warped if there is a clash of two universal forces...and indeed there are...our dimension is one of those forces and the static dimension, made known to us in the Holy Bible, is the other. They run side by side except the static universe is a relic from before the big-bang whilst ours is travelling at the high speed of the expanding universe...hence all the scientific laws that are made known to us by our modern science becomes null and void when we accept there is a higher science, of which, Jesus Christ, is the only scientist of any worth.
What this all means then is that when someone makes a point which is difficult to understand then it is wise to do some research before shooting from the hip.
Look, guys; I need a bit of help here:
If I run this through Google Translate, will it, perchance, make sense?
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Anchs,
Look, guys; I need a bit of help here:
If I run this through Google Translate, will it, perchance, make sense?
Try selecting the setting "English → Gibberish".
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I'm giving up here Nicholas, all the best to you.
(Unless Trippy wants to start a dialogue about Evasion & something, I'll join in with that.)
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Ah, right....
So no red dragon yet.
I'm well aware of Revelation, NM.
Wee story:
When the Good News Bible was being issued, you could buy the individual books as handy pocket sized versions.
Revelation was thirty eight pages.
On the shelf below, there were about thirty tomes purporting to understansd Revelation.
One such had thirteen hundred pages.
I rest my case.
Thanks
And you! what say you? Can you explain Revelations? Or do you only know what you have read?
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And you! what say you? Can you explain Revelations? Or do you only know what you have read?
I don't know ANY theologian worth reading who fully understands Revelation, Sass.
But I DO know that Revelation, like all Scriptural books, needs to be read in context.
Revelation is classed as "Apocalyptic writing".
By its' nature, it is couched in language familiar to its' hearers, but lost to modern hearers - because most of those original hearers were first century Jewish believers steeped in the apocalyptic language of the later O.T and Apocryphal books...and living in first-century Asia Minor under the duress of Roman rule.
Much of Revelation can be shown to represent, not some parousial happening - though of course the parousia looms large in the later chapters - but first century Rome.
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In that sense Nick, dropping a pencil on the ground creates an "earthquake" a very small one but one nevertheless!
It's not the dropping of the pencil that causes the earthquake Sebastian.
It is the enormous fart given out when you stand up straight after bending down to pick it up.
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It's not the dropping of the pencil that causes the earthquake Sebastian.
It is the enormous fart given out when you stand up straight after bending down to pick it up.
;D
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It's not the dropping of the pencil that causes the earthquake Sebastian.
It is the enormous fart given out when you stand up straight after bending down to pick it up.
No, that would be a hurricane.
If you are going to attempt to be funny, do try make some effort?
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No, that would be a hurricane.
If you are going to attempt to be funny, do try make some effort?
It got a smiley face Seb.
That's one more than the entire history of antitheist comedy.
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If I had my way Revelation would be removed from the Bible, and flushed down the sewer. The interpretations of that stupid book people have come up with since it was included in the Bible, have often done harm to gullible believers. >:(
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If I had my way Revelation would be removed from the Bible, and flushed down the sewer. The interpretations of that stupid book people have come up with since it was included in the Bible, have often done harm to gullible believers. >:(
And yet, much of the book is in plain language, and offered both soundadvice and comfort toindividuals andchurches undergoing persecution.
A sweeping statement, LR, as per usual.
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And yet, much of the book is in plain language, and offered both soundadvice and comfort toindividuals andchurches undergoing persecution.
A sweeping statement, LR, as per usual.
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Give some examples of 'sound advice' from that horrible book?
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Give some examples of 'sound advice' from that horrible book?
Rev 3:
All of it.
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Rev 3:
All of it.
Having re-read that chapter, I cannot see anything beneficial about that silly nonsense.
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Having re-read that chapter, I cannot see anything beneficial about that silly nonsense.
You have my condolaences.
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Rev 3:
All of it.
Just read it. What's the sound advice?
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Just read it. What's the sound advice?
I couldn't see any, just twaddle.
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Having re-read that chapter, I cannot see anything beneficial about that silly nonsense.
I think Arron Banks might benefit from pondering the following:
For you say, I am rich, I have prospered, and I need nothing; not knowing that you are wretched, pitiable, poor, blind, and naked.
I'm not sure that the remedy offered in subsequent verses is valid.
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Rev 3:
All of it.
In the past, during some appalling testing times, I have wished that the lines "Behold I stand at the door and knock etc" were true. Sadly, I have found this not to be the case.
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In the past, during some appalling testing times, I have wished that the lines "Behold I stand at the door and knock etc" were true. Sadly, I have found this not to be the case.
Whist as an individual, I have found them very true, if you read the words in context, you might see that they are actually directed at the congregation, which the writer seems to think has shut the door.
I sometimes think the verse thing, whilst a great aid to navigating the Bible, stops us reading the words in context.
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I don't know ANY theologian worth reading who fully understands Revelation, Sass.
But I DO know that Revelation, like all Scriptural books, needs to be read in context.
Revelation is classed as "Apocalyptic writing".
By its' nature, it is couched in language familiar to its' hearers, but lost to modern hearers - because most of those original hearers were first century Jewish believers steeped in the apocalyptic language of the later O.T and Apocryphal books...and living in first-century Asia Minor under the duress of Roman rule.
Much of Revelation can be shown to represent, not some parousial happening - though of course the parousia looms large in the later chapters - but first century Rome.
So that would be an honest NO!.
For all the world up until the last minute when Christ returns they will see life going on taking whatever form it takes.
But we know that in the last days there will be believers who give others their food of the day.
Do you believe it remains hidden only from those believers who have no active part in the end or because nothing anyone can do will stop the will of God coming into fruition?
I think of Satan in the world when Christ was here. He like Judas did not see the outcome of what their actions would be. Satan believed they could achieve something by killing the Messiah. Judas thought by his actions he could get money and no harm would come to Christ. We believe given the temptation that Satan knew his bible well. But we saw the twist his words gave to consequences. Christ knew what Gods word meant but Satan only knew what was written.
What we can be sure about, is that Satan lacked truth and the Spirit to know the Word of God. Judas lacked truth and Spirit which meant he knew nothing of who Christ really was. In the end it is about getting the answer to that question right and making a decision. The Spirit will lead us into all truth. What is your thoughts on this matter and how do you believe the difference affects people / believers today?
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- Quote from: Phyllis Tyne on November 10, 2018, 11:48:15 AM
It's not the dropping of the pencil that causes the earthquake Sebastian.
It is the enormous fart given out when you stand up straight after bending down to pick it up.
;D
Given the enormous amount of drivel and wind which comes out of the mouths of humans... the earth should of been destroyed by now using that theory. ;D