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General Category => Politics & Current Affairs => Topic started by: Nearly Sane on January 11, 2017, 09:09:13 AM

Title: Trump appoints anti vaxxer
Post by: Nearly Sane on January 11, 2017, 09:09:13 AM
This seems extremely worrying. The anti vaxxer movement is filled. with a denial of fact, and a worship of anecdote.




http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-meets-with-vaccine-skeptic-robert-kennedy-jr/
Title: Re: Trump appoints anti vaxxer
Post by: Aruntraveller on January 11, 2017, 09:22:05 AM
Extremely worrying, but sadly entirely predictable.
Title: Re: Trump appoints anti vaxxer
Post by: floo on January 11, 2017, 09:23:43 AM
Nothing surprises me about Trump anymore! >:(
Title: Re: Trump appoints anti vaxxer
Post by: jeremyp on January 11, 2017, 10:24:19 AM
Nothing surprises me about Trump anymore! >:(
Not even the g*lden shower allegations?
Title: Re: Trump appoints anti vaxxer
Post by: floo on January 11, 2017, 10:35:54 AM
Not even the g*lden shower allegations?

Certainly not that as Trump seems unable to keep it in his knickers! >:(
Title: Re: Trump appoints anti vaxxer
Post by: jeremyp on January 11, 2017, 10:42:47 AM
Certainly not that as Trump seems unable to keep it in his knickers! >:(
Yes but the allegation is he had prostitutes urinate on a bed (previously) slept in by the Obamas in a hotel that was well known to be bugged by the Russian FSB. Doesn't that sound a little bit far fetched even for Trump?
Title: Re: Trump appoints anti vaxxer
Post by: floo on January 12, 2017, 08:55:01 AM
Yes but the allegation is he had prostitutes urinate on a bed (previously) slept in by the Obamas in a hotel that was well known to be bugged by the Russian FSB. Doesn't that sound a little bit far fetched even for Trump?

As I said, nothing surprises me about that ghastly man.
Title: Re: Trump appoints anti vaxxer
Post by: jakswan on January 12, 2017, 12:40:10 PM
Yes but the allegation is he had prostitutes urinate on a bed (previously) slept in by the Obamas in a hotel that was well known to be bugged by the Russian FSB. Doesn't that sound a little bit far fetched even for Trump?

It does sound a bit out there to sya the least but I did always wonder why he seemed to like Russia so much.

Meanwhile Russia is upping the ante, starting to get scary. Trump will do anything to stay in power, Russia tests him very early.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38592448
Title: Re: Trump appoints anti vaxxer
Post by: Rhiannon on January 12, 2017, 12:44:59 PM
Yes but the allegation is he had prostitutes urinate on a bed (previously) slept in by the Obamas in a hotel that was well known to be bugged by the Russian FSB. Doesn't that sound a little bit far fetched even for Trump?

If I'm honest, no, not really.
Title: Re: Trump appoints anti vaxxer
Post by: Aruntraveller on January 12, 2017, 12:49:26 PM
If I'm honest, no, not really.

Glad its not just me.
Title: Re: Trump appoints anti vaxxer
Post by: Nearly Sane on January 12, 2017, 12:49:47 PM
If I'm honest, no, not really.
which is a bit of a problem since that it doesn't seem absurd means nothing is impossible
Title: Re: Trump appoints anti vaxxer
Post by: Aruntraveller on January 12, 2017, 12:53:36 PM
which is a bit of a problem since that it doesn't seem absurd means nothing is impossible

It certainly highlights the difficulty over "fake news". Once you get into these sort of realms you start to doubt everything you hear, and whilst a certain amount of skepticism is useful, nay, necessary in one's life - I'm not sure being unsure of everything is useful.

Anyway Jeremy Hunt's an alien. True fact.
Title: Re: Trump appoints anti vaxxer
Post by: Walter on January 12, 2017, 12:54:29 PM
This seems extremely worrying. The anti vaxxer movement is filled. with a denial of fact, and a worship of anecdote.




http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-meets-with-vaccine-skeptic-robert-kennedy-jr/
who needs facts , its how we feel that's important.  ;)
Title: Re: Trump appoints anti vaxxer
Post by: wigginhall on January 12, 2017, 12:55:39 PM
Well, the watersports explains Trump's orange hair. 
Title: Re: Trump appoints anti vaxxer
Post by: Aruntraveller on January 12, 2017, 12:56:03 PM
Well, the watersports explains Trump's orange hair.

Eeeewww!
Title: Re: Trump appoints anti vaxxer
Post by: Walter on January 12, 2017, 12:57:24 PM
It certainly highlights the difficulty over "fake news". Once you get into these sort of realms you start to doubt everything you hear, and whilst a certain amount of skepticism is useful, nay, necessary in one's life - I'm not sure being unsure of everything is useful.

Anyway Jeremy Hunt's an alien. True fact.
alien?  I thought he was a lady garden.
Title: Re: Trump appoints anti vaxxer
Post by: Aruntraveller on January 12, 2017, 12:58:16 PM
alien?  I thought he was a lady garden.

That as well, obviously.
Title: Re: Trump appoints anti vaxxer
Post by: Owlswing on January 12, 2017, 01:11:49 PM
Certainly not that as Trump seems unable to keep it in his knickers! >:(

This is why he is so anti-Bill-Clinton! Two of a kind!
Title: Re: Trump appoints anti vaxxer
Post by: Aruntraveller on January 12, 2017, 01:23:38 PM
This is why he is so anti-Bill-Clinton! Two of a kind!

I'm not sure that disqualifies you from office - I was watching Dan Snow's programme last night  about Lloyd-George also not renowned for keeping it in his knickers and if judged on those standards we would not have had that leader. So judgements of that type are not that useful in isolation.

To my mind it is more about the double standards and hypocrisy involved.
Title: Re: Trump appoints anti vaxxer
Post by: Rhiannon on January 12, 2017, 01:28:11 PM
which is a bit of a problem since that it doesn't seem absurd means nothing is impossible

If he hasn't been shot soon then it means that the CIA have seriously rubbish assassins.
Title: Re: Trump appoints anti vaxxer
Post by: wigginhall on January 12, 2017, 01:30:19 PM
I'm not sure that disqualifies you from office - I was watching Dan Snow's programme last night  about Lloyd-George also not renowned for keeping it in his knickers and if judged on those standards we would not have had that leader. So judgements of that type are not that useful in isolation.

To my mind it is more about the double standards and hypocrisy involved.

Yes, I was thinking that about Trump's attacks on the elite, and Clinton cronyism.   As far as I can see, Trump is filling his cabinet with cronies who are billionaires.   Ah but, you see, this is an anti-elitist elite. 
Title: Re: Trump appoints anti vaxxer
Post by: Aruntraveller on January 12, 2017, 03:30:48 PM
An interesting article about the post-truth situation we find ourselves in:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-38557838
Title: Re: Trump appoints anti vaxxer
Post by: Nearly Sane on January 12, 2017, 03:50:25 PM
An interesting article about the post-truth situation we find ourselves in:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-38557838

I have an issue with the approach that this is (a) new but (b) it's like the 1930s. I think the problem is not so much fake news as too much news and a lack of time to find out what is true.
Title: Re: Trump appoints anti vaxxer
Post by: Aruntraveller on January 12, 2017, 03:54:57 PM
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I think the problem is not so much fake news as too much news and a lack of time to find out what is true.

Surely the implication from your own sentence is that there is fake news?

I wouldn't disagree that there is too much news. There's too much of everything these days. But fake news at the levels they appear to be at - although that in itself is difficult to gauge - is very worrying.

Echoes of the 30's - don't know I was reading another article about Marine LePen - if not echoes, there is definitely a zephyr in the air.
Title: Re: Trump appoints anti vaxxer
Post by: Nearly Sane on January 12, 2017, 04:00:16 PM
Surely the implication from your own sentence is that there is fake news?

I wouldn't disagree that there is too much news. There's too much of everything these days. But fake news at the levels they appear to be at - although that in itself is difficult to gauge - is very worrying.

Echoes of the 30's - don't know I was reading another article about Marine LePen - if not echoes, there is definitely a zephyr in the air.
There is undoubtedly fake news, but there has always been. That's why you can have echoes  of the 30s, but if anyone can actually give me the truth on Aleppo, i have yet to find them despite scouring media.
Title: Re: Trump appoints anti vaxxer
Post by: Walter on January 12, 2017, 04:11:58 PM
I have an issue with the approach that this is (a) new but (b) it's like the 1930s. I think the problem is not so much fake news as too much news and a lack of time to find out what is true.
I wonder if prof. Grayling signed off that article before it was published by the BBC?
Title: Re: Trump appoints anti vaxxer
Post by: Hope on January 12, 2017, 05:39:34 PM
If he hasn't been shot soon then it means that the CIA have seriously rubbish assassins.
Was listening to Radio 5 this afternoon, and the 'impeachment' phrase cropped up.  Would this be the first time that a President-Elect was mentioned in the same sentence as that process?
Title: Re: Trump appoints anti vaxxer
Post by: Nearly Sane on January 12, 2017, 06:06:24 PM
Was listening to Radio 5 this afternoon, and the 'impeachment' phrase cropped up.  Would this be the first time that a President-Elect was mentioned in the same sentence as that process?
Nope, Obama and the birther pish, as supported by the Donald, coveted this
Title: Re: Trump appoints anti vaxxer
Post by: jeremyp on January 13, 2017, 06:01:07 PM
It does sound a bit out there to sya the least but I did always wonder why he seemed to like Russia so much.
That's easy to answer. He owes them lots of money.

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Meanwhile Russia is upping the ante, starting to get scary. Trump will do anything to stay in power, Russia tests him very early.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38592448

We'll see what happens, if he withdraws the troops, we should all get worried.
Title: Re: Trump appoints anti vaxxer
Post by: jeremyp on January 13, 2017, 06:07:06 PM
If I'm honest, no, not really.

Here is the problem I have. I really want it to be true because I loathe Trump so much that anything that humiliates him is good IMO. But that leads me to question my acceptance of every bad story that comes up about him because I am fighting my confirmation bias.

Also, we must remember that he's in charge of a massive pile of atom bombs for the next four years. If this story is true, we need to start cacking our pants, if we haven't done already.
Title: Re: Trump appoints anti vaxxer
Post by: jeremyp on January 13, 2017, 06:08:11 PM
alien?  I thought he was a lady garden.
It's true, I heard it on Radio 4.
Title: Re: Trump appoints anti vaxxer
Post by: jeremyp on January 13, 2017, 06:09:31 PM
If he hasn't been shot soon then it means that the CIA have seriously rubbish assassins.

FBI or DHS

The CIA is not allowed to operate inside the USA.
Title: Re: Trump appoints anti vaxxer
Post by: Owlswing on January 13, 2017, 07:43:42 PM
FBI or DHS

The CIA is not allowed to operate inside the USA.

There lies the problem - they may NOT be ALLOWED - this does not mean that they do not!
Title: Re: Trump appoints anti vaxxer
Post by: SqueakyVoice on January 13, 2017, 11:19:51 PM
If this story is true, we need to start cacking our pants
Why? How much does he pay for that?