Religion and Ethics Forum
General Category => Politics & Current Affairs => Topic started by: Nearly Sane on January 20, 2017, 05:02:20 PM
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As this is now the case, the US election thread is let go on the mercy of the forum, as we welcome in the 45th President - feel free to post here about Trump
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Have to admit that so far it's going well!
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Not viewing - if I want to hear an arsehole make a noise, I can fart anytime.
Repeat as necessary for any other 'Trump' pronouncement for the rest of his tenure.
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Has no one shot him yet?
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Give it time. Despite being arguably the hardest person to kill on the planet, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if somebody has a go at some point.
I take pleasure in the death of nobody save Jeremy Kyle and those people who keep ringing trying to get me to claim compensation for a car accident I never had and PPI I never took out, but maybe Trump ought to be kept safe - if he croaks then Pence will jump in, and next to him Trump is a model of sanity and easygoing reasonableness.
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The sun rises on the tangerine nightmare - and sets on America. Shame that they have sunk so low.
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The sun rises on the tangerine nightmare - and sets on America. Shame that they have sunk so low.
Agreed. It's an abject day for the world :(
I want to be wrong. I want to be proven to be cynical, defeatist and unfair. I want him to demonstrate that, now in power, the clowning around will stop and that he'll show himself to be a serious, thoughtful man of grace, gravitas and substance.
But he's such a petulant man-child that, when informed that some 800-900,000 people were due to attend the inauguration (compared to 1.8 million for Obama) and that many hotels in the capital simply weren't filling up, he instantly declared these reports as "phony" and "rigged" (remember that one?). So I suspect I'm highly likely to be disappointed.
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My guess is he'll last around 18 months before he is either impeached or is forced to resign. Whether it will be due to deviousness, incompetence or inconvenient skeletons exiting from cupboards remains to be seen.
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Agreed. It's an abject day for the world :(
I want to be wrong. I want to be proven to be cynical, defeatist and unfair. I want him to demonstrate that, now in power, the clowning around will stop and that he'll show himself to be a serious, thoughtful man of grace, gravitas and substance.
But he's such a petulant man-child that, when informed that some 800-900,000 people were due to attend the inauguration (compared to 1.8 million for Obama) and that many hotels in the capital simply weren't filling up, he instantly declared these reports as "phony" and "rigged" (remember that one?). So I suspect I'm highly likely to be disappointed.
That was because Obama was the first black president, so it was a novelty. I enjoyed Obama's inauguration but I also thought Trump did well, and he appears to be more God-fearing than I had expected.
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That was because Obama was the first black president, so it was a novelty. I enjoyed Obama's inauguration but I also thought Trump did well, and he appears to be more God-fearing than Obama
I'm not convinced that is at all reassuring, Spud.
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I'm not convinced that is at all reassuring, Spud.
I found the overall Christian emphasis very reassuring. Praise the Lord.
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I found the overall Christian emphasis very reassuring. Praise the Lord.
He's playing to his audience, Spud. My dog knows more about Christian values than he does.
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That was because Obama was the first black president, so it was a novelty. I enjoyed Obama's inauguration but I also thought Trump did well, and he appears to be more God-fearing than I had expected.
tell me how God likes pussy grabbing?
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tell me how God likes pussy grabbing?
That's fake news.
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That's fake news.
mmm, boy says he wants he wants to grab pussy, boy can claim false news, boy needs to wash his mouth out then say, anything I said is a lie
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Why, in a country whose Constitution states the following:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..
is it necessary for a new President to swear an oath on ... not one ... but two bibles simultaneously?
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I found the overall Christian emphasis very reassuring. Praise the Lord.
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Spud: If you fill a cake with maggots and dressit with icing, the maggots don't go away.
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I found the overall Christian emphasis very reassuring. Praise the Lord.
It's America. Did you expect anything different in a country where atheism is still stigmatised to the extent that atheists are trusted as much as Muslims?*
Do you consider a six-times bankrupt racist misogynist who mocks the disabled, approves of waterboarding and who fathered a child by the woman with whom he was having an affair to be an inspirational example of a god-fearing man, Spud?
* Source: http://tinyurl.com/kmgjzl6
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is it necessary for a new President to swear an oath on ... not one ... but two bibles simultaneously?
Insincerity in stereo?
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Nah. One for each face.
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It's America. Did you expect anything different in a country where atheism is still stigmatised to the extent that atheists are trusted as much as Muslims?*
Do you consider a six-times bankrupt racist misogynist who mocks the disabled, approves of waterboarding and who fathered a child by the woman with whom he was having an affair to be an inspirational example of a god-fearing man, Spud?
* Source: http://tinyurl.com/kmgjzl6
But, but, but he said he was a Christian. SO it's all ok - it's part of God's plan ::)
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"trump" >:(
I've bought my tin hat!
If someone added Donald Trump as president in a film, it would have been an unbelievable character.
At least in the film "King Ralph" the guy was funny with it and likeable.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Ralph
Donald Trump is neither.
I can't believe anyone would vote him in, but they have.
🙄
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But, but, but he said he was a Christian.
Over there he can't say anything but.
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But, but, but he said he was a Christian. SO it's all ok - it's part of God's plan ::)
God must have been on vacation, and Satan was left in charge 😜🍷
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Trump is Faust n'est ce pas?
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Closer to Mephistopheles, surely. Faust was a scholar and a hugely learned man.
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I was putting Roy Kohn in that role.
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I found the overall Christian emphasis very reassuring. Praise the Lord.
I thought it was cringe-making. As for his emotional, forceful 'God will protect America' .... well, if there was such a thing as God, then I recommend he send a note to Trump saying that he will be a bit busy for a few years as he has to visit a friend in Betelgeuse or somewhere similar.
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I suspect the bookies might be taking bets on how long Trump will reign, as short a time as possible one hopes!
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That was because Obama was the first black president, so it was a novelty. I enjoyed Obama's inauguration but I also thought Trump did well, and he appears to be more God-fearing than I had expected.
It was nice to hear God mentioned.
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tell me how God likes pussy grabbing?
He should have had Ted Nugent playing "Cat Scratch Fever" at his party (OK probably too subtle for him)
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I found all the Christian stuff very nice after years of PC stuff.
However I think Obama is a much better Christian than Trump in terms of values, family and lifestyle.
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It was nice to hear God mentioned.
Yes, he doesn't often get much of a look-in over there, does he.
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I have read a post elsewhere which points out that many of the sentences in Trump's speech were lifted almost wholesale from Hollywood (sci-fi) movies.
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I thought it was cringe-making. As for his emotional, forceful 'God will protect America' .... well, if there was such a thing as God, then I recommend he send a note to Trump saying that he will be a bit busy for a few years as he has to visit a friend in Betelgeuse or somewhere similar.
I thought it was cringe-making. As for his emotional, forceful 'God will protect America' .... well, if there was such a thing as God, then I recommend he send a note to Trump saying that he will be a bit busy for a few years as he has to visit a friend in Betelgeuse or somewhere similar.
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I'd agree, Susan.
I recognised nothing Christian in yesterday's shenanigans - and that numpty Franklin Graham saying that the rain was God's sign of blessing shows me just how cardboard Christianity the American right is.
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I found all the Christian stuff very nice after years of PC stuff.
However I think Obama is a much better Christian than Trump in terms of values, family and lifestyle.
What years of PC stuff have you seen in US presidential elections and inaugurations?
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I suspect the bookies might be taking bets on how long Trump will reign, as short a time as possible one hopes!
currently he is evens to get impeached and not see out term, but he is still the favourite by some distance to be elected next time
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Trump seems to be very inspirational. Already he has people breaking shop windows and torching cars etc. He has even motivated people to hope he is assassinated soon.
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Also, I see there are many protests around the world today, standing up women's rights which apparently, are under attack?
The BBC are reporting about what angers one group, which they say is Aleppo, racial shootings in America, rape and tampon tax. That Trump has a lot to answer for.
Anyway, can I ask what rights women in the USA are going to lose under the new POTUS, and also women in the wider world as they are protesting against this in the four corners.
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I have read a post elsewhere which points out that many of the sentences in Trump's speech were lifted almost wholesale from Hollywood (sci-fi) movies.
I've seen the Avatar one, which I find hard to believe. Must double check it. Who the hell would stick that in? As a joke? The Batman one is less close, but close enough.
http://www.jantakareporter.com/world/trump-lifted-lines-hollywood-films/95860/
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Also, I see there are many protests around the world today, standing up women's rights which apparently, are under attack?
The BBC are reporting about what angers one group, which they say is Aleppo, racial shootings in America, rape and tampon tax. That Trump has a lot to answer for.
Anyway, can I ask what rights women in the USA are going to lose under the new POTUS, and also women in the wider world as they are protesting against this in the four corners.
I imagine the immediate issue will be abortiom rights and acees.
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Perhaps they should see what is actually going to happen first.
I have just been looking at a few videos of the protesters. Quite a few show them punching Trump supporters in the head, that's when they're not torching or using baseball bats on property.
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Why, in a country whose Constitution states the following:
is it necessary for a new President to swear an oath on ... not one ... but two bibles simultaneously?
It isn't necessary at all. Several presidents did not swear on the Bible.
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It isn't necessary at all. Several presidents did not swear on the Bible.
But not many, and none more recent than Theodore Roosevelt in 1901*.
Interestingly, Roosevelt was one of the few presidents not to conclude the oath with "So help me God." He said "And thus I swear" instead. Not because he was an atheist or had any time at all for unbelievers (he famously referred to Thomas Paine as a "filthy little atheist", which he was not). Perhaps he just took the foundational documents seriously.
* Excepting Lyndon Johnson, who was sworn in after JFK's assassination with a Catholic missal rather than the Bible.
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I take pleasure in the death of nobody save . . . those people who keep ringing trying to get me to claim compensation for a car accident I never had and PPI I never took out . . . !
Oh Shaker, I am soooo glad to find I have at least one companion in this particular travail!
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Oh Shaker, I am soooo glad to find I have at least one companion in this particular travail!
More than one companion. ;)
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President Trump:
“We will reinforce old alliances and form new ones and unite the civilized world against radical Islamic terrorism, which we will eradicate from the face of the Earth,”
Eradicate from the face of the earth? Since when has it been one countries business to dictate to others what to believe?
What one person sees as radical " Islam " is a bit subjective.. For some any item of clothing, including a head scarf is a sign of radical Islam. In some people's eyes that indicates a terrorist or secretly supporting terrorist person.
One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter, and in all this fighting in the Middle East I'm not sure we always make the best choices for these countries when we knock out these leaders.
I hope Theresa May has more integrity than Tony Blair, and doesn't get tempted to back up this moron because we get a few trade deals, in light of trying to sort out Brexit.
As far as I'm concerned it's not up to the Trump and the radical right wing Christians in the USA to dictate what the rest of the world believes or even what political system they want to live under.
I think the stupid Trump is going to irritate even more Muslims to join Isis, because the man is a total and complete PRAT.
>:( :o
Ww3 is much more likely, with him and his stupid speeches that sound like were written by Disney.
Donald Trump could quite easily turn the whole of the rest of the world into being radical Muslims. The bloke is just THAT irritating!
He dangerous, and unfortunately he is president.
Reminds me of the stories you hear about Edgar Hoover. I'm not surprised so many Americans are objecting to him, they can see what's coming.
Donald Trumps speeches sound like they come from films, because he's Mickey Mouse man.
He's going to be a Mickey Mouse President, and have a Mickey Mouse presidency and it's not good :(
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/mickey-mouse
Not for the USA, and not for the rest of the world.
Now where is that niquab >:(
Ah! Next to my tin hat :o
And the President Mickey Mouse t shirt
https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/478870862/unisex-t-shirt-operation-mickey-mouse?utm_so
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Clearly rhetoric is more important than reality (even reality with supporting evidence).
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38707722
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Clearly rhetoric is more important than reality (even reality with supporting evidence).
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38707722
The man has a worse relationship with reality than with his hair.
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Since when has it been one countries business to dictate to others what to believe?
Since 'Murrica.
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I imagine the immediate issue will be abortiom rights and acees.
http://tinyurl.com/hlew6ef
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I'd agree, Susan.
I recognised nothing Christian in yesterday's shenanigans - and that numpty Franklin Graham saying that the rain was God's sign of blessing shows me just how cardboard Christianity the American right is.
I think you're being a bit perfectionist, Am
The "rain" comment wasn't meant to be taken literally. I thought there appeared to be quite a genuine request for God to bless the country under its new leader.
Trump has apologized for the lewd historical comments he made and it looks like this experience has been humbling for him. It will be a good thing if he as a person ends up more humble or closer to God, provided he doesn't make a hash of the presidency. I think that there is a place for a "secular" person to mention God, because it shows that he was not taking all the glory for himself. For instance, Trump mentioned the Creator, and the other readers mentioned Jesus several times. There was no theological problem with the way it was done (except in the rabbi's speech - I can't remember what he said but remember part of it being a plug for Israel??). Also the mention of King Solomon in one of the readings brought with it the possibility of a good ruler turning into a bad one.
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The "rain" comment wasn't meant to be taken literally.
Clearly it referred to any kind of precipitation.
Trump has apologized for the lewd historical comments he made and it looks like this experience has been humbling for him.
I don't think he can spell humble, let alone be it. Have you seen today's news yet?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38707722
This is not a president. This is a petulant man-child who thinks that everything he doesn't like or everything that goes against him is "rigged". You seem to forget that this ridiculously-coiffed tangerine-coloured idiot said that if he lost the election (which in terms of numbers he actually did) it will have been because it was fixed - somehow. By somebody. Somewhere.
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I think you're being a bit perfectionist, Am
The "rain" comment wasn't meant to be taken literally. I thought there appeared to be quite a genuine request for God to bless the country under its new leader.
Trump has apologized for the lewd historical comments he made and it looks like this experience has been humbling for him. It will be a good thing if he as a person ends up more humble or closer to God, provided he doesn't make a hash of the presidency. I think that there is a place for a "secular" person to mention God, because it shows that he was not taking all the glory for himself. For instance, Trump mentioned the Creator, and the other readers mentioned Jesus several times. There was no theological problem with the way it was done (except in the rabbi's speech - I can't remember what he said but remember part of it being a plug for Israel??). Also the mention of King Solomon in one of the readings brought with it the possibility of a good ruler turning into a bad one.
Spud;
The tangerine nightmare can bleat apologies till his hair turns blue.
Untill he starts putting his oversized gob into gear and gettting what passes for his brain in action, and puts policies whhich favour 'these, the least of my brothers' into practice, I'll treat him with the contempt he deserves.
A parrot can memorise Scripture.
Christians have to LIVE them.
And don't even start me on Franklin Graham, please - I don't want to vomit on the Sabbath.
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Hear hear!
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Spud;
The tangerine nightmare can bleat apologies till his hair turns blue.
Untill he starts putting his oversized gob into gear and gettting what passes for his brain in action, and puts policies whhich favour 'these, the least of my brothers' into practice, I'll treat him with the contempt he deserves.
A parrot can memorise Scripture.
Christians have to LIVE them.
And don't even start me on Franklin Graham, please - I don't want to vomit on the Sabbath.
Careful or you might start to sound like him.
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Spud; The Gospel I read tells me that, whether we want to or not, we need to look after "the least, the last and the lost". The rabid bile Trump spewed against immigrants, women, Moslems etc, during his campaign suggests that he was woefully unfamiliar with these texts.
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Spud; The Gospel I read tells me that, whether we want to or not, we need to look after "the least, the last and the lost".
Yes and wasn't his main focus on helping all of these in his country?
The rabid bile Trump spewed against immigrants, women, Moslems etc, during his campaign suggests that he was woefully unfamiliar with these texts.
Firstly, he is concerned about radical Islam. Secondly, I think the reaction to his comments about women is over hyped. Thirdly, his comments about immigration seem to be aimed at putting Americans first, the problem being that the whole world wants to live in the US.
You call it rabid bile, but to be honest it was no worse than what the others spewed out.
Thanks for making me look up Franklin Graham, btw. I didn't know he is Billy Graham's son.
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Franklin Graham was (and probably still is) making something like a million dollars a year from his charities.
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Yes and wasn't his main focus on helping all of these in his country?
Firstly, he is concerned about radical Islam. Secondly, I think the reaction to his comments about women is over hyped. Thirdly, his comments about immigration seem to be aimed at putting Americans first, the problem being that the whole world wants to live in the US.
You call it rabid bile, but to be honest it was no worse than what the others spewed out.
Thanks for making me look up Franklin Graham, btw. I didn't know he is Billy Graham's son.
It seems that Trump's reaction to 'strangers' was, rather than to welcome them - as the Lord Jesus said - but to either tell them to get out and stop them coming in if they were Moslem, or build a wll to stop them coming in if they were Mexican.
And his attitude to a disabled reporter - caught on camera - was a disgrace - mocking the man's disability. Hardly Christ like, was it?
We have the latest - lies spewed by his press chief this very morning, trying to deny the truth of the poor figures attending his inauguration. Oh, yes, and rolling back health provision for the poorer sectors in his country.
Where is this allowed or even promoted in Scripture, please?
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First there was 'fake news'. Now we have 'alternative facts'.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38712182
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You'd have thought that he, or one of his underlings, would know when to stop digging: but clearly not.
The way he's alienating his home media (except the fawning Fox of course) he'll turn the deserved disrespect for him personally into disrespect for the office he holds.
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You'd have thought that he, or one of his underlings, would know when to stop digging: but clearly not.
The way he's alienating his home media (except the fawning Fox of course) he'll turn the deserved disrespect for him personally into disrespect for the office he holds.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/22/sean-spicer-inauguration-groucho-marxist-asking-us-not-believe-our-own-eyes
More darkly still, the authoritarian regards telling the population lies to be a test of strength. The Trump White House will now watch closely to see who repeats Spicer’s falsehoods without protest and who objects. Among the media, the former will be rewarded and the latter punished.
But it’s even more basic than that. Authoritarian strongmen crave control. If they can control what you believe – even make you believe that black is white and night is day – then their power over you is total. Not for nothing did George Orwell’s 1984 have the omnipotent Party persuade Winston Smith that if a Party official said he was holding up five fingers, then he really was holding up five – even if Smith could only see four.
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I'd like to say that I think Trump should be given a chance, not least because we are completely powerless to do anything about him being president and that is stressful. But I really believe that with him nobody can afford to let their guard down.
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Secondly, I think the reaction to his comments about women is over hyped.
So can you tell us in what circumstances, and with whom, you think it is acceptable to talk about, no lets be more honest here, boast about grabbing pussies?
You say the other side spewed out things just as bad. Really??
I mean I'm not Hillary's biggest fan (more of Bernie man myself) but as far as I can recall she said nothing, absolutely nothing, that was as repugnant as this man's sexist leerings.
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We have the alt-right.
We now have alt-facts:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/trump-aide-kellyanne-conway-alternative-facts-inauguration_uk_5884e066e4b020854098911e?owvefdhwzksps0pb9
I'd like to say you couldn't make this stuff up. But I clearly have just not been trying hard enough.
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Have I missed something that has happened here in the UK. Have women been ordered not to leave the kitchen or something? Has Trump that much influence?
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This is a wake-up call for the globe. As a mother Trump makes me fear for my kids' future - it's a small world and he and his 'team' make it a whole lot less safer. These things no longer happen in isolation and its incredibly naive to think that this election won't affect British people.
But one stated aim of the protests is for this to galvanise minority rights globally -in other words, for people to look at their own local injustices, not just against women but against anyone who is powerless or who is having their rights taken away. I don't have a problem with that.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-38703840
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It seems that Trump's reaction to 'strangers' was, rather than to welcome them - as the Lord Jesus said - but to either tell them to get out and stop them coming in if they were Moslem, or build a wll to stop them coming in if they were Mexican.
Reason= drugs trade.
And his attitude to a disabled reporter - caught on camera - was a disgrace - mocking the man's disability. Hardly Christ like, was it?
Agreed.
We have the latest - lies spewed by his press chief this very morning, trying to deny the truth of the poor figures attending his inauguration.
The press secretary said security measures prevented crowds from quickly accessing the Mall; this would explain the empty Mall in the photo before it started; but this photo taken later show it packed full:
http://tinyurl.com/zm8kvso
He also said that "this was the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration, period, both in person and around the globe"
This seems to suggest that he might have been referring to a combined audience of TV viewers and attendees.
Oh, yes, and rolling back health provision for the poorer sectors in his country.
Where is this allowed or even promoted in Scripture, please?
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This is a wake-up call for the globe. As a mother Trump makes me fear for my kids' future - it's a small world and he and his 'team' make it a whole lot less safer. These things no longer happen in isolation and its incredibly naive to think that this election won't affect British people.
The marchers seem to be concerned about the rights of women but you seem to mean people as in the general population - I agree with you if its people as we are politically and militarily linked to the USA, as is a lot of the world. If you mean British women - then I fail to see where you are coming from.
But one stated aim of the protests is for this to galvanise minority rights globally -in other words, for people to look at their own local injustices, not just against women but against anyone who is powerless or who is having their rights taken away. I don't have a problem with that.
And they have had to wait until Trump was elected to do this?
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And they have had to wait until Trump was elected to do this?
The situation wasn't quite as desperate or as urgent as it is now that the Orange One is behind the big desk. US women, for example, are stockpiling the morning after pill for a reason. It's considered highly likely that President Fart is going to install a conservative justice, making the Supreme Court majority conservative. If he decides to go after Roe v. Wade, as he has indicated that he will*, that could put abortion rights at serious risk.
As Rhiannon put it, this is a wake-up call for the globe.
* Source: http://tinyurl.com/hrjgece
EDIT: "He also cut funding for international groups that provide abortions."
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Shaker: "...the orange one...." I suspect I'm not the only one who ferevently hopes he isn't orange as well as everything else.... Visions of a mysoginist xenophobe hurling insults at disabled people, while banging a bloomin great drum, wearing a daft looking sash and sporting a Laurel and Hardy bowler hat are a bit over the top. But, hey, give him time.......
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Reason= drugs trade.Agreed.The press secretary said security measures prevented crowds from quickly accessing the Mall; this would explain the empty Mall in the photo before it started; but this photo taken later show it packed full:
http://tinyurl.com/zm8kvso
He also said that "this was the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration, period, both in person and around the globe"
This seems to suggest that he might have been referring to a combined audience of TV viewers and attendees.
This is the uncompressed link you've provided (with a few spaces to avoid shagging the forum's formatting up).
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=trump+inauguration+photos+of+crowd &view=detailv2 &adlt=STRICT&id=E7BBF7291FA4CB811879A732A1FF6A47045DA39B &selectedindex=15 &ccid=C7J6jhQl &simid=608002533889739546 &thid=OIP.C7J6jhQljHrCV4_QHpdzPQEsC7 &mode=overlay&first=1
What makes you think any of those images demonstrate anything other than the Tiny handed Orange Liar and his minions are lying?
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This is a wake-up call for the globe. As a mother Trump makes me fear for my kids' future - it's a small world and he and his 'team' make it a whole lot less safer. These things no longer happen in isolation and its incredibly naive to think that this election won't affect British people.
But one stated aim of the protests is for this to galvanise minority rights globally -in other words, for people to look at their own local injustices, not just against women but against anyone who is powerless or who is having their rights taken away. I don't have a problem with that.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-38703840
Yes, the sisterhood. Women support each other round the globe, against attacks and prejudice, and as you say, also defend other minorities, e.g. LGBT, black people, Muslims. Right wing governments (and individuals) tend to attack such people.
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Yes, the sisterhood. Women support each other round the globe, against attacks and prejudice, and as you say, also defend other minorities, e.g. LGBT, black people, Muslims. Right wing governments (and individuals) tend to attack such people.
And then we need to factor in his stated desire to support fossil fuel and piss all over climate accords, treaties and targets*.
* Or, possibly, get some Russian ladies of financially negotiable affections to do it for him. Allegedly.
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Not looking like Trump is open to the possibility of trade deals:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38721056
Doesn't bode well for May and her hopes of a preferential UK/USA deal post-brexit. Trump seems interested only in protectionism and why would he be more open to the UK taking American jobs than Canada, Japan or Australia, who are in the firing line today.
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Have I missed something that has happened here in the UK. Have women been ordered not to leave the kitchen or something? Has Trump that much influence?
Yes. People only react when it is bleeding obvious that something is wrong but they are too stupid to see that they have been pissed on for years by something much more dangerous than Trump - and who claims he wants to deal with these "Pissers", but they, the people, can't see that he wants to help remove these "Pissers".
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Yes. People only react when it is bleeding obvious that something is wrong but they are too stupid to see that they have been pissed on for years by something much more dangerous than Trump - and who claims he wants to deal with these "Pissers", but they, the people, can't see that he wants to help remove these "Pissers".
Aye, right
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/donald-trump-abortion-rights-executive-order_uk_58863bbfe4b0208540990e96
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Aye, right
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/donald-trump-abortion-rights-executive-order_uk_58863bbfe4b0208540990e96
That is not what I was referring to. Though important it is not a major issue with regards to the corrupt Neo-Liberal, Neo-Con Elitist that runs the world and has caused massive inequalities in this world. I also never claimed that he is perfect; just going to be good to see the various elitists fight it out.
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That is not what I was referring to. Though important it is not a major issue with regards to the corrupt Neo-Liberal, Neo-Con Elitist that runs the world and has caused massive inequalities in this world. I also never claimed that he is perfect; just going to be good to see the various elitists fight it out.
I see you have the same problem with facts that he does.
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I see you have the same problem with facts that he does.
I see you still have the problem of making meaningless statements.
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I see you still have the problem of making meaningless statements.
No, I was just pointing out that instead of trotting out a vacuous slogan about neo capitalism, the details of what he has actually done is an issue. I take it you also support his recruiting 6 people from Goldman Sachs is indicative of his fighting against neo Capitalism?
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No, I was just pointing out that instead of trotting out a vacuous slogan about neo capitalism, the details of what he has actually done is an issue. I take it you also support his recruiting 6 people from Goldman Sachs is indicative of his fighting against neo Capitalism?
Why is it vacuous? There are realities behind those terms that have affected your life. Things these people have done; as you put it.
I don't know what he is up to but he is not business as usual, he is not the political establishment.
Just viewing what someone has done in the immediacy of the Now is rather stupid and naïve if one doesn't take a wider view of what has been going on for years.
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Why is it vacuous? There are realities behind those terms that have affected your life. Things these people have done; as you put it.
I don't know what he is up to but he is not business as usual, he is not the political establishment.
Just viewing what someone has done in the immediacy of the Now is rather stupid and naïve if one doesn't take a wider view of what has been going on for years.
So no matter what he actually does, it doesn't matter. Great. So when he appoints judges who roll back Roe V Wade, you will tell women not to bother their pretty little heads because the actual effect on them needs to be seen from your much wider perspective where actions are not the important thing.
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So no matter what he actually does, it doesn't matter. Great. So when he appoints judges who roll back Roe V Wade, you will tell women not to bother their pretty little heads because the actual effect on them needs to be seen from your much wider perspective where actuibs are not the impiratnt thing.
I never said he was perfect. When has any politician done everything you wanted and nothing to disappoint you? The status quo was not a viable option and as these things are what first comes as a replacement is often than not a very poor fit but it is start out of the madness we have been in for the last three decades.
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Three decades takes us back to 1987. What madness are you referring to?
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Three decades takes us back to 1987. What madness are you referring to?
Don't be so literal. I'm talking about the Neo-Liberal project.
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I never said he was perfect. When has any politician done everything you wanted and nothing to disappoint you? The status quo was not a viable option and as these things are what first comes as a replacement is often than not a very poor fit but it is start out of the madness we have been in for the last three decades.
Any notion that Trump might bring a breath of sanity to the proceedings seems perverse in the extreme.
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I never said he was perfect. When has any politician done everything you wanted and nothing to disappoint you? The status quo was not a viable option and as these things are what first comes as a replacement is often than not a very poor fit but it is start out of the madness we have been in for the last three decades.
Who said you had suggested he was perfect? Why are you putting up a straw man!
I just think you judge people on what they do and his actions so far seem to give no real support to your hopes, and indeed contradict them in a number of ways. That you then think this should be ignored seems very odd.
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Any notion that Trump might bring a breath of sanity to the proceedings seems perverse in the extreme.
Who said anything about sanity. I'm looking for a fight. As I said to NS when change comes the first proposition is often a poor fit and so starts the ball rolling.
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Who said anything about sanity. I'm looking for a fight. As I said to NS when change comes the first proposition is often a poor fit and so starts the ball rolling.
and in the long run we are all dead. Your position that it needed to be evaluated in some grand scheme would need you to have any idea that the outcome would be in any way better. Do you have such a thing or are you happy to have people suffer just to entertain you?
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Don't be so literal. I'm talking about the Neo-Liberal project.
If you are going to use figures, then you need to expect them to be taken literally. What do you actually think was so good avpbput some time ago, why, and when was it?
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Who said you had suggested he was perfect? Why are you putting up a straw man!
I'm just responding to what you implied.
I just think you judge people on what they do and his actions so far seem to give no real support to your hopes, and indeed contradict them in a number of ways. That you then think this should be ignored seems very odd.
He hasn't hardly started yet. What hopes? - this implies an issue of perfection again.
I ignore them because I don't have any real expectations from him except his propensity to have a short temper - Sonny Corleone.
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and in the long run we are all dead. Your position that it needed to be evaluated in some grand scheme would need you to have any idea that the outcome would be in any way better. Do you have such a thing or are you happy to have people suffer just to entertain you?
The grand scheme, as you put it, was about what has been going on and the need for change.
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I'm just responding to what you implied.
He hasn't hardly started yet. What hopes? - this implies an issue of perfection again.
I ignore them because I don't have any real expectations from him except his propensity to have a short temper - Sonny Corleone.
Where did I imply it? I suggest you need to look back at the post from JP that you initially replied to wondering about women protesting, to which you went on your little schtick about 'Pissers'. My post was factually picking you up on why they might be right to protest based on action. There is nothing implying that you think Trump is perfect,so again stop with the straw man.
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If you are going to use figures, then you need to expect them to be taken literally. What do you actually think was so good avpbput some time ago, why, and when was it?
Where did those questions come from which I assume were based on what you thought I said? I was saying that the present system hasn't worked and is falling to bits and it is time for a change - no good old days there.
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no good old days there.
I think posters are referring to the fact that you said the madness started 3 decades ago, implying that prior to that it was not 'madness'. Perhaps you could clarify?
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The grand scheme, as you put it, was about what has been going on and the need for change.
but you were talking earlier about you being able to ignore what he dies because you have some bigger picture, which is what I asked you about leadunh to your evasion above.
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Where did those questions come from which I assume were based on what you thought I said? I was saying that the present system hasn't worked and is falling to bits and it is time for a change - no good old days there.
Your statement that the madness started 3 decades ago, and is some specific thing you are stating.if it wasnymadness before, surely the implication is that it was better?
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Where did I imply it? I suggest you need to look back at the post from JP that you initially replied to wondering about women protesting, to which you went on your little schtick about 'Pissers'. My post was factually picking you up on why they might be right to protest based on action. There is nothing implying that you think Trump is perfect,so again stop with the straw man.
My post to JP was about how people only protest when it is obvious that they are being screwed etc. They seem to have failed to see how they have been screwed over the years by an insidious system which some seem to want to be back in power.
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I think posters are referring to the fact that you said the madness started 3 decades ago, implying that prior to that it was not 'madness'. Perhaps you could clarify?
Neo-Liberalism.....ok?
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but you were talking earlier about you being able to ignore what he dies because you have some bigger picture, which is what I asked you about leadunh to your evasion above.
The picture is the need for change....
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My post to JP was about how people only protest when it is obvious that they are being screwed etc. They seem to have failed to see how they have been screwed over the years by an insidious system which some seem to want to be back in power.
A minority, in the case of voting Americans.
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Your statement that the madness started 3 decades ago, and is some specific thing you are stating.if it wasnymadness before, surely the implication is that it was better?
Better is a strange word. Neo-Liberalism has given us the crash of 2008 and nothing about that has been dealt with, in fact it has been heap upon to greater proportions and a humongous disintegration will take place.
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The picture is the need for change....
The need for change isn't a picture, what needs to change and how?we could change things by killing all gingers, should we? If not why not?
The people you seem to say are trying not to change, are, I would argue, those that have been fighting for change more obcpviously than those supporting Trump. Indeed change has been one of the things that has been used as a thing to be avoided.
I am cynical about grand plans generally, but when the grand plan you seem to offer is to create any type of change then I doe see how you can either evaluate it or having any aim in sight.
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Better is a strange word. Neo-Liberalism has given us the crash of 2008 and nothing about that has been dealt with, in fact it has been heap upon to greater proportions and a humongous disintegration will take place.
Why is better a strange word in your approach that this 'madness started some three decades ago'? If it's madness surely you the nk that it wasn't madness before?
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The situation wasn't quite as desperate or as urgent as it is now that the Orange One is behind the big desk. US women, for example, are stockpiling the morning after pill for a reason. It's considered highly likely that President Fart is going to install a conservative justice, making the Supreme Court majority conservative. If he decides to go after Roe v. Wade, as he has indicated that he will*, that could put abortion rights at serious risk.
So let me get this right. The situation was desperate and urgent before Trump, just not quite as much so? Wtf have these protesters been doing then, where have they been, where was the global fight before Trump?
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So let me get this right. The situation was desperate and urgent before Trump, just not quite as much so? Wtf have these protesters been doing then, where have they been, where was the global fight before Trump?
The protesters were protesting - I can only assume that either (a) they didn't receive as much media coverage (although I seem to have picked up on it nonetheless) or (b) you weren't paying attention.
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Yes, the sisterhood. Women support each other round the globe, against attacks and prejudice, and as you say, also defend other minorities, e.g. LGBT, black people, Muslims. Right wing governments (and individuals) tend to attack such people.
The global sisterhood eh? Where would that be. All I can see so far are people worried about getting the morning after pill or an abortion.
I have never seen a mass movement to help bring an end to FGM, honour killings, or to help women who are treat like animals in domestic slavery.
Oh hang on though, a win for the global sisterhood. I see they have managed to get the Brownies to allow anyone who identifies as female to join, so your 9 year old daughter could be in a dorm with someone who has a penis, and as a parent you will not be allowed to know that.
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The protesters were protesting - I can only assume that either (a) they didn't receive as much media coverage (although I seem to have picked up on it nonetheless) or (b) you weren't paying attention.
Protesting for what?
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The global sisterhood eh? Where would that be. All I can see so far are people worried about getting the morning after pill or an abortion.
Which typically tends to be disproportionately women, generally speaking, i.e. that segment of the population which can get pregnant.
I have never seen a mass movement to help bring an end to FGM, honour killings, or to help women who are treat like animals in domestic slavery.
I can only assume you haven't been looking.
Oh hang on though, a win for the global sisterhood. I see they have managed to get the Brownies to allow anyone who identifies as female to join, so your 9 year old daughter could be in a dorm with someone who has a penis, and as a parent you will not be allowed to know that.
That's a worrying thing, is it?
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C24NoJSWQAYLSAH?format=jpg&name=large
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C24NoJSWQAYLSAH?format=jpg&name=large
Is there supposed to be some point to this twaddle created by some clown who clearly doesn't understand the term 'false equivalence'?
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I have never seen a mass movement to help bring an end to FGM, honour killings, or to help women who are treat like animals in domestic slavery.
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I can assure there are such movements, also involved in stopping children being married off to old men. You only have to google and you'll find out about them and how you can help because it isn't just women who care about such things; support from men is welcome.
PS: I just came across this article whilst looking for news about Trump defunding the Planned Parenthood organisation:
http://www.vox.com/identities/2017/1/23/14356582/trump-global-gag-rule-abortion
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Today I heard on CNN one person from Canada criticizing his PM for inaction....and actually praising Trump for his fast pace of working.
Maybe that is what is bothering people everywhere. Too much analysis, too much talk, too many 'experts'.....but very little actual change on the ground. People perhaps want to see something stirring, even if a little troubling.
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Today I heard on CNN one person from Canada criticizing his PM for inaction....and actually praising Trump for his fast pace of working.
Maybe that is what is bothering people everywhere. Too much analysis, too much talk, too many 'experts'.....but very little actual change on the ground. People perhaps want to see something stirring, even if a little troubling.
Much better to take your time and make the right decision, informed by people who know what they are talking about rather than rush into a hasty ill informed decision and regret at leisure.
This idea that experts are somehow a problem is becoming pervasive and just about the most dangerous aspect of this whole 'populist' wave.
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Today I heard on CNN one person from Canada criticizing his PM for inaction....and actually praising Trump for his fast pace of working.
Maybe that is what is bothering people everywhere. Too much analysis, too much talk, too many 'experts'.....but very little actual change on the ground. People perhaps want to see something stirring, even if a little troubling.
That's humans for you. We'd often prefer to believe a naive gratifying lie rather than take the trouble to think things through in depth.
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I can assure there are such movements, also involved in stopping children being married off to old men. You only have to google and you'll find out about them and how you can help because it isn't just women who care about such things; support from men is welcome.
PS: I just came across this article whilst looking for news about Trump defunding the Planned Parenthood organisation:
http://www.vox.com/identities/2017/1/23/14356582/trump-global-gag-rule-abortion
I know there are people campaigning. I spend a fair bit of time in the car and leave radio 4 on for most of the time, including women's hour. There are small but steady pressure groups at work but nobody in Liverpool or London organising a mass march against it though, although they can manage one for a bloke who will have no bearing on their rights as a woman in the UK.
I ikno
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Is there supposed to be some point to this twaddle created by some clown who clearly doesn't understand the term 'false equivalence'?
What is the feminist obsession with the vagina?
Ashley Judd....
And our pussies ain’t for grabbin’. Therefore, reminding you that our walls are stronger than America’s ever will be. Our pussies are for our pleasure. They are for birthing new generations of filthy, vulgar, nasty, proud, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Sheikh—you name it—for new generations of nasty women. So if you [are] a nasty woman or love one who is, let me hear you say, “HELL YEAH!”
And yet, there seemed to be no problem with Bill Clinton who did more than grab a pussy.
She also said
Blacks are still in shackles and graves just for being Black
Really, even after eight years of Obama. Where was she then, where did she protest then?
https://ello.co/ellowrites/post/sq-ovph3frmwjzcbvdcoiq
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And yet, there seemed to be no problem with Bill Clinton who did more than grab a pussy.
You may claim to have Radio 4 on a bit and yet you come across as woefully ill-informed. Plenty of people have been - to put it mildly - vocally critical of Clinton, W. J. and Clinton, H. R. both.
Really, even after eight years of Obama.
Yes, still, alas. Perhaps a good deal less Radio 4 and a bit of a broader outlook would reveal these things. You ask
Where was she then, where did she protest then?
All over the shop. Try Wikipedia:
While she is best known for an ongoing acting career spanning more than two decades, she has increasingly become involved in global humanitarian efforts and political activism [...]
Ashley Judd's humanitarian work has revolved around AIDS. Judd has travelled with YouthAIDS to places affected by illness and poverty such as Cambodia, Kenya, Rwanda, and many others.
Inspired by her travels, which allowed her to witness the life of the poor and uneducated, she has since become an advocate for preventing poverty and promoting awareness internationally. She has met with political and religious leaders, heads of states, diplomats, and leaders on behalf of the deprived to convey the message to those who have the power to bring about political and social change. Judd has also narrated three documentaries for YouthAIDS which aired internationally on the Discovery Channel, in National Geographic, and on VH1.
In 2011, she joined the Leadership Council of the International Center for Research on Women (ICRW).
Other organizations Judd has been involved with include Women for Women International and Equality Now, along with other non-governmental organizations that direct attention to social, educational, health, economic, cultural and financial funding of the unfortunate.
Judd is active on the speakers' circuit, giving speeches about humanitarian topics.
Judd has supported the following charities and foundations:
Children's Medical Research Institute
Creative Coalition
Defenders of Wildlife
Eracism Foundation
Five & Alive
Jeans for Genes
International Center for Research on Women (ICRW)
Listen Campaign
Malaria No More
Population Services International
SixDegrees.org
YouthAIDS
Women for Women International
Equality Now
San Francisco Child Abuse Prevention Center
She was appointed Global Ambassador for YouthAIDS, an education and prevention program of the international NGO Population Services International (PSI), promoting AIDS prevention and treatment. Judd was honored November 10, 2009, as the recipient of the fourth annual USA Today Hollywood Hero, awarded for her work with PSI. On October 29, 2006, Judd appeared at a "Women for Ford" event for Democratic Tennessee Senate candidate Harold Ford, Jr. She has also campaigned extensively locally and nationally for a variety of Democratic candidates, including President Barack Obama in critical swing states.
On September 8, 2010, CNN interviewed Judd about her second humanitarian mission to the Democratic Republic of Congo. Judd traveled with the Enough Project, a project to end genocide and crimes against humanity. In the interview, Judd discussed her efforts to raise awareness about how conflict minerals fuel sexual violence in Congo. During her trip, Judd visited hospitals for victims of sexual violence, camps for displaced persons, mines, and civil society organizations.
Does that answer your question?
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Today I heard on CNN one person from Canada criticizing his PM for inaction....and actually praising Trump for his fast pace of working.
Maybe that is what is bothering people everywhere. Too much analysis, too much talk, too many 'experts'.....but very little actual change on the ground. People perhaps want to see something stirring, even if a little troubling.
Oh yes - because not planning for things always works out for the best. ::)
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That's humans for you. We'd often prefer to believe a naive gratifying lie rather than take the trouble to think things through in depth.
There is...'paralysis by analysis'. And also intellectual solutions that are not always emotionally satisfying.
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There is...'paralysis by analysis'. And also intellectual solutions that are not always emotionally satisfying.
rather like religions, then ....
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rather like religions, then ....
Well...actually Trump means nothing to me. I live far away. But there are some parallels with the situation in India.
Our present PM Modi is the opposite of Trump in many ways ....he is not highly educated, had humble beginnings, is a teetotaler, believes in celibacy and so on. But he is an impulsive decision maker like Trump. And it works! Most Indians are loving him and his emotional, brusque style. Something getting done at last!
His predecessor was a PhD from Harvard...very intellectual, quiet, modest and all that. But a lame duck PM, dull, always status quo. No action at all!
Maybe a similar sentiment is at work with Trump.
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Well...actually Trump means nothing to me. I live far away. But there are some parallels with the situation in India.
Unfortunately, I think Trump (and, more broadly, the Republican dominated house and senate that are operating with/alongside him) means a lot to us all. His policies on power and fossil fuels will undermine the climate agreements that, as one of the most influential economies in the world, are predicate on the involvement of the major players in order to operate. His policies on reducing global intervention opens up the field to the expansionists in Russia and China. His policies on biotechnology and reproductive rights will influence the major American firms working in this area, who are the majority players in the field. Whether you appreciate it or not, there isn't really anyone for whom Trump's election should be seen as an unimportant event.
Our present PM Modi is the opposite of Trump in many ways ....he is not highly educated, had humble beginnings, is a teetotaler, believes in celibacy and so on. But he is an impulsive decision maker like Trump. And it works! Most Indians are loving him and his brusque style. Something getting done at last!
Movement rather than progress...
His predecessor was a PhD from Harvard...very intellectual, quiet, modest and all that. But a lame duck PM, dull, always status quo. No action at all!
Maybe a similar sentiment is at work with Trump.
Yes, a very similar sentiment. Uneducated, ignorant people with little real grasp of the knock-on effects, who think that there are simple solutions to complex problems voting for people are prepared to say whatever it takes to get approval, and the consequences be damned. It has always been the problem with democracy, that the people get what they want, not necessarily what is best for them or the situation.
O.
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Yes, a very similar sentiment. Uneducated, ignorant people with little real grasp of the knock-on effects, who think that there are simple solutions to complex problems voting for people are prepared to say whatever it takes to get approval, and the consequences be damned. It has always been the problem with democracy, that the people get what they want, not necessarily what is best for them or the situation.
O.
Don't believe this applies to Modi really. He is a popularist and nationalist but hardly an out and out liar like Trump, or even an "impulsive decision maker". He is trying to disentangle India from corrupt systems which strangle progress.
Trumps actions will affect India enormously, hopefully Modi will be able to find the opportunities to limit the adverse effects by using opportunities presented by the massive trade re-alignments expected.
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Climate change - who cares. Quick decision. People die all fine, quick decision.
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The need for change isn't a picture, what needs to change and how?we could change things by killing all gingers, should we? If not why not?
The people you seem to say are trying not to change, are, I would argue, those that have been fighting for change more obcpviously than those supporting Trump. Indeed change has been one of the things that has been used as a thing to be avoided.
I am cynical about grand plans generally, but when the grand plan you seem to offer is to create any type of change then I doe see how you can either evaluate it or having any aim in sight.
But the systems (political etc.) of the world are corrupt and those with the plans for change often than not do not have access to these political platforms. So what usually happens is that the likes of Trump pop up to rock the boat - that's just life. There isn't a plethora of choices here and so one has to take what there is no matter how bad it looks. Look at the French revolution, should the peasants just have put up until the perfect solution came along? I think not. And those that started it off were out and guillotined with in a year or two, I believe. If you are going to wait until the perfect solution presents itself in the political arena, championed by the venal elitists, we will all be here until hell freezes over.
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Why is better a strange word in your approach that this 'madness started some three decades ago'? If it's madness surely you the nk that it wasn't madness before?
Because it is imposing a straw man on me. It is a superfluous comment.
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Because it is imposing a straw man on me. It is a superfluous comment.
in what way? You called it madness? Is what existed before not better, if not how do judge it madness?
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But the systems (political etc.) of the world are corrupt and those with the plans for change often than not do not have access to these political platforms. So what usually happens is that the likes of Trump pop up to rock the boat - that's just life. There isn't a plethora of choices here and so one has to take what there is no matter how bad it looks. Look at the French revolution, should the peasants just have put up until the perfect solution came along? I think not. And those that started it off were out and guillotined with in a year or two, I believe. If you are going to wait until the perfect solution presents itself in the political arena, championed by the venal elitists, we will all be here until hell freezes over.
and again strawman. Not aiming for perfect but if you don't aim or even know what you think is better, seems ok to behead people.
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Much better to take your time and make the right decision, informed by people who know what they are talking about rather than rush into a hasty ill informed decision and regret at leisure.
This idea that experts are somehow a problem is becoming pervasive and just about the most dangerous aspect of this whole 'populist' wave.
But it is these so called experts that have caused this mess in the first place. They aren't qualified to put it right.
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But it is these so called experts that have caused this mess in the first place. They aren't qualified to put it right.
Yeah, let's give the idiots a shot at it Real clever Jack.
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in what way? You called it madness? Is what existed before not better, if not how do judge it madness?
It is a straw man because it is presenting a binary choice. Who said anything about going back to what there was? And better does not always mean good enough.
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and again strawman. Not aiming for perfect but if you don't aim or even know what you think is better, seems ok to behead people.
But didn't the French and Russian revolutions think they were coming up with something better; a solution to aim for to deal with the mess they faced. You make the best judgements you can. But at times like that people have different ideas and seek power, and those with the biggest gun tend to win.
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Yeah, let's give the idiots a shot at it Real clever Jack.
As I said it is these so called experts that have caused this mess, so who are the real idiots here?
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It is a straw man because it is presenting a binary choice. Who said anything about going back to what there was? And better does not always mean good enough.
again who said it did? I didn't make the binary choice, you did with the term madness. You seen confused.
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As I said it is these so called experts that have caused this mess, so who are the real idiots here?
What mess and what is your solution? You seem to think that beheading people is good. Have a biscuit.
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But didn't the French and Russian revolutions think they were coming up with something better; a solution to aim for to deal with the mess they faced. You make the best judgements you can. But at times like that people have different ideas and seek power, and those with the biggest gun tend to win.
You want to kill people.mmmm
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What mess and what is your solution? You seem to think that beheading people is good. Have a biscuit.
- I'd suggest a Garibaldi.
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An appropriate name but not very Nice.
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An appropriate name but not very Nice.
Stop it. All these biscuit based puns are leaving me cream-crackered.
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Stop it. All these biscuit based puns are leaving me cream-crackered.
Yes, they are appalling. I feel quite ill. I'm in need of some rich tea as a digestive.
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That's enough of this biscuit-based nonsense, I'm out of here.
I'm not hobnobbing with you lot.
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I'm now in need of a holiday. I'm off to Abernethy.
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Join the Club.
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trump biscuit
noun / trump bis cuit / /trʌmp 'bɪskɪt/
: glittering, unrepentant falsehood
: an unabashed, confident lie
:a statement given by a person who ironically believes its truth is self evident, despite its obvious falseness
He's got a great temperament? Talk about a trump biscuit!
Enough with all these trump biscuits, let's look at the facts.
#falsehood #lie #malarkey #bullshit #horseshit #balderdash #nonsense #drivel
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trump%20biscuit
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Better is a strange word. Neo-Liberalism has given us the crash of 2008
So the last Republican executive caused the crash. Obama has spent eight years recovering from the crash and now you want change. Why?
Trump is a property developer. He has appointed bankers and oil executives to his cabinet. The neo capitalists you abhor are in charge now.
Be afraid.
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There is...'paralysis by analysis'.
And there is a whole spectrum in between rushing the wrong decision through and doing nothing.
And also intellectual solutions that are not always emotionally satisfying.
So you might not do the right thing because you don't find it emotionally satisfying? Humanity is screwed.
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Given that 'The Donald' has ripped up a couple of trade deals already, is he he having a breakaway?
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What mess and what is your solution? You seem to think that beheading people is good. Have a biscuit.
Who are the beheading people?
I've told you about the mess caused by the Neo-Liberal project.
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You want to kill people.mmmm
No. Just pointing to the facts of life...
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So the last Republican executive caused the crash. Obama has spent eight years recovering from the crash and now you want change. Why?
Trump is a property developer. He has appointed bankers and oil executives to his cabinet. The neo capitalists you abhor are in charge now.
Be afraid.
Are you aware of the nonsense you come out with. Do your homework on what has been going on in the financial world since 1971 when the US came off the gold standard and resorted to the petro-dollar.
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Waterboarding! Yay!
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Trump wants to bring back torture for terrorists suspects, which make that evil turd as bad as ISIS! >:(
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38753000
Didn't that nice ex POTUS Obama kill innocent people with drones so he was as bad as ISIS too?
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Didn't that nice ex POTUS Obama kill innocent people with drones so he was as bad as ISIS too?
It's a bit more hands off, that one.
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It's a bit more hands off, that one.
And that makes a difference?
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And that makes a difference?
Probably to Obama's conscience.
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So the PM we didn't vote for is off on a fawning visit to 'the Donald'. Her gift? A quaich - a Scottish drinking cup......for a man most of Scotland treats with derision, and who chooses not to drink alcohol. Par for the course, Theresa, par for the course..... (Scots posters might get that bit...)
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Voting fraud (maybe) and Bernhard Langer (maybe)
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/25/us/politics/trump-bernhard-langer-voting-fraud.html?_r=1
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There is no longer any need for satire when real life is delivering this stuff in spades.
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Not a good sign
Trump executive order prompts Google to recall staff
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38781420
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Not a good sign
Trump executive order prompts Google to recall staff
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38781420
People who act in this quick positive manner are not usually good long term operators, which we know is true of Trump as he's been bankrupt 4 times (I think) and the stories that have come out about him with regards to his attitude and conduct in his businesses, so I can't see him lasting too long. Though for this to happen the Democrats would need to get their act together as they have fallen apart - a bit like Labour.
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The populist posturing is to distract from the fact that the 'man of the ordinary American' has surrounded himself with billionaire businessmen who've never given a shit about ordinary workers and who aren't about to start now. Classic smoke and mirrors.
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Not a good sign
Trump executive order prompts Google to recall staff
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38781420
Good for Trump. We could do with some of that (and a bit more) in Europe.
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Oh look the Trump/Putin cheerleader is back.
Racism tick. Domestic violence tick. Pussy grabbing tick.
Common human decency out of the window and not likely to make any appearance soon.
And among other stats:
Annual deaths form being shot by an American in the USA: 11,737
Annual deaths from Islamic Jihadist immigrants: 2
Perhaps the Donald should start deporting Americans. ::)
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You can't do much about domestic psychos but you can stop foreign psychos from being there in the first place. I would have thought that was fucking obvious. To be blunt, I couldn't really give a flying fuck about America. It's a complete basket case and I wouldn't lose any sleep if it all of a sudden miraculously ceased to exist. I do care about Europe and mostly my own country. We could do with politicians with balls who said "no more muslims".
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You can't do much about domestic psychos
You can stop giving them guns. That's something.
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You can stop giving them guns. That's something.
I agree. No argument from me there.
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You can't do much about domestic psychos but you can stop foreign psychos from being there in the first place. I would have thought that was fucking obvious. To be blunt, I couldn't really give a flying fuck about America. It's a complete basket case and I wouldn't lose any sleep if it all of a sudden miraculously ceased to exist. I do care about Europe and mostly my own country. We could do with politicians with balls who said "no more muslims".
Eh?
Where is Christ in Trump - the 'Christian's action?
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As I said, I don't really give a fuck about America. As for Trump, I only agree with him in as much as we should follow his example of putting our (Europe's) interests first. That means no more muslims who are a direct threat to our Christian heritage and values, as well as a cultural and ethnic Europe. It also means patching things up with Russia.
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As I said, I don't really give a fuck about America.
Unfortunately for everywhere else America doesn't feel the same.
That means no more muslims who are a direct threat to our Christian heritage and values
Not that I give a shite about Christian heritage and values; the point is that Trump, as a remarkably stupid individual, can't tell or pretends that he can't tell the difference between an infinitesimally small number of Islamists who may pose a threat and an overwhelming majority of perfectly ordinary Muslims who do not.
it also means patching things up with Russia.
Why would any civilised country want to patch things up with such a backward, benighted hell hole, a homophobic cesspit in thrall to the beardy weirdies of the Russian Orthodox Church which has just relaxed its laws on domestic violence? When the planet needs an enema, Moscow is where they'll stick the tube.
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Another person who wants war, it seems. Nevermind, because if it all kicks off it won't be in your backyard, will it.
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Another person who wants war, it seems.
Who's that?
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You.
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Where did I say that?
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Where did I say that?
It seems you support the policy of Obama and Clinton of antagonising Russia to the point of war but, as I said, I'm sure you don't care because it won't be in your backyard where it all kicks off. Me? I just want to live in peace with our neighbour and to be able to trade with them without some cunt in Washington or Brussels having any say.
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It seems you support the policy of Obama and Clinton of antagonising Russia to the point of war
Since there is no war with Russia I'd say that any such policy has been a dismal failure (not that it actually exists, of course). On the other hand I don't believe in kissing the arse cheeks of a foul despot who presides over a foul regime.
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Trump must be incandescent.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38786660
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As I said, I don't really give a fuck about America. As for Trump, I only agree with him in as much as we should follow his example of putting our (Europe's) interests first. That means no more muslims who are a direct threat to our Christian heritage and values, as well as a cultural and ethnic Europe. It also means patching things up with Russia.
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Again, this is NOT 'our Christian heritage' -whatever that is.
As Christians, we have no right to discriminate on grounds of need - quite the opposite, in fact. I rejoice that many American Christian groups are amongst those suing Trump claiming his policies are illegal under U.S. law.
They are certainly antichristian.....you HAVE read the media this morning? People granted visas now turned away - not only Moslems, or perceived 'enimies', but women and children, and some who even helped America in her illegal wars.
the 'Land of the free' is soiled by a man like Trump.
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Maybe Trump will deport the Judge to Mars, for defying him!
I would think it more likely that President Fart's secret agents are trying to dig up some dirt on the Judge .
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An interesting quote from 'The Art of the Deal' a book by Donald Trump.
"The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people's fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That's why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It's an innocent form of exaggeration - and a very effective form of promotion."
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https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928
Donald Trump's well documented misogyny and vulgarity disqualifies him from being received by Her Majesty the Queen or the Prince of Wales. Therefore during the term of his presidency Donald Trump should not be invited to the United Kingdom for an official State Visit.
TBH, I couldn't really careless how "vulgar" a visitor to these shores may be, it's the racism, the authoritarianism and the attempts to ban dissent that should see him banned, but the tiny-handed orange fool would still be pissed off if he couldn't meet at least some of the Royals.
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https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928
TBH, I couldn't really careless how "vulgar" a visitor to these shores may be, it's the racism, the authoritarianism and the attempts to ban dissent that should see him banned, but the tiny-handed orange fool would still be pissed off if he couldn't meet at least some of the Royals.
Given some of the so-called royals track record where women are concerned, Mr tangerine man will do just fine.
He might have trouble with Charlie over green issues, though.
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Bored now.
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I see the petition to not have Trump on a state visit has a lot of signatures.
Pity the moral compass of the same people did not stretch to the one trying to get the same for King Salman from good old Saudi Arabia. A country which, unlike the USA, beheads people for sorcery, where women are stoned to death for adultery and are banned from driving, where human rights defenders and government critics are imprisoned and suffer flogging and torture. A country from which thousands of migrants were simply kicked out, many to countries where they were at risk of serious human rights violations and where thousands of others have their passports removed and kept almost as slaves.
None of which happens in the USA, yet this petition gathered 400 signatures.
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Leaving aside Trump and his brusque way of doing things....I am shocked at the way people around the world take America for granted. As though migrating to America is their birthright! A free for all, literally!
If I was American, I wouldn't have liked people taking my country for granted like that, frankly!
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Leaving aside Trump and his brusque way of doing things....I am shocked at the way people around the world take America for granted. As though migrating to America is their birthright! A free for all, literally!
I don't think that is true - America has always had a strong history of welcoming migrants, but I don't think it is a given that you will get in and be able to live and work. Getting a green card, for example, isn't straightforward.
If I was American, I wouldn't have liked people taking my country for granted like that, frankly!
If you were American you probably would be a migrant yourself, or have had your family migrate to the USA a few generations back.
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Inside the pedestal of the Statue of Liberty, on Ellis Island in the harbour of Donald Trump's home city, is a plaque bearing the following poem:
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
“Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
I wonder if Donald Trump's command of English goes as far as understanding the meaning of:
“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,"
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Back to the subject of the thread: the petition to prevent Trump's state visit has reached 1 million signatures...
http://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928
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Back to the subject of the thread: the petition to prevent Trump's state visit has reached 1 million signatures...
http://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928
Remember, we must defend the honour of the Queen.
Imagine what might happen if she had to meet a elderly privileged foreign chap, whose children have no real jobs but hanging around and doing stuff their father doesn't want to do and who goes around offending almost everyone he comes across, especially the ("slitty-eyed") Chinese.
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Back to the subject of the thread: the petition to prevent Trump's state visit has reached 1 million signatures...
http://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928
I have not signed the petition , have you ?
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I see the petition to not have Trump on a state visit has a lot of signatures.
Pity the moral compass of the same people did not stretch to the one trying to get the same for King Salman from good old Saudi Arabia. A country which, unlike the USA, beheads people for sorcery, where women are stoned to death for adultery and are banned from driving, where human rights defenders and government critics are imprisoned and suffer flogging and torture. A country from which thousands of migrants were simply kicked out, many to countries where they were at risk of serious human rights violations and where thousands of others have their passports removed and kept almost as slaves.
None of which happens in the USA, yet this petition gathered 400 signatures.
I agree with you. It just goes to show that the media highlights or sensationalises what they want. I wasn't even aware that a petition against the Saudi King's visit existed, otherwise I would have signed it and shared it amongst all the people I know - all of whom are anti-Saudi government.
Yet the petition against Trump is all over the media - even the Daily Mail, whose readers would presumably be very pro-Trump and anti-Muslim, is highlighting the petition against Trump. Probably for the same reason certain sections of the media highlight the words of Muslim extremists but not the condemnation of extremists by the Muslim community. Sensationalism for the purpose of publicity and sales and who cares about the truth or a balanced story.
ETA: JP - do you have a link to the petition against King Salman - when I Googled it, I got news about the petition against Trump?
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Remember, we must defend the honour of the Queen.
Imagine what might happen if she had to meet a elderly privileged foreign chap, whose children have no real jobs but hanging around and doing stuff their father doesn't want to do and who goes around offending almost everyone he comes across, especially the ("slitty-eyed") Chinese.
Yes the reason is a bit on the silly side - it should just say that he's an obnoxious, dishonest, racist, misogynist fool (or something like that).
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Moderator:
There has been a derail into theology, which is way off topic for this Board, so I'm going to remove these posts.
Those interested in these aspects of theology are free to start a thread on a more appropriate Board.
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Given that Trump has temporarily banned people from Yemen, he should have a word with Theresa about Britain's foreign policy, now that the two of them have a special relationship. The EU Parliament voted to ban arms sales to Saudi back in early 2016 because of Saudi's intervention in Yemen and the ensuing carnage and human rights abuse. But the UK conveniently ignored the non-binding EU resolution and apparently "cashed in" on the carnage against civilians in Yemen.
Figures reported by the Independent in January showed British arms firms cashing in on the conflict, with sales of bombs and missiles to the autocratic regime surging from £9 million to £1 billion in just three months last year.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/saudi-arabia-arms-export-embargo-european-parliament-eu-wide-arms-export-embargo-uk-a6895226.html
Peter Tatchell started a petition last year - one amongst many petitions started by concerned citizens - to halt UK arms sales to Saudi.
What seems to be happening is that the US arms itself and uses its military and economic power to interfere in other regions helped by its special friend, the UK, all in the name of national interest. This prompts other countries or militants in other countries to arm themselves against US intervention, everyone experiences blow-back and proxy wars, squeals and borders start closing. Meanwhile ordinary people on all sides are caught in the middle. Wonder where this latest tactic by Trump will lead, given Trump's support for the Saudi King (his citizens aren't banned despite protection against 9/11 terrorist incidents being used as one of the pretexts for this temporary ban), Trump wants to move the US embassy in Israel to Jerusalem and Trump apparently supports Israel building settlements on occupied Palestinian land.
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Inside the pedestal of the Statue of Liberty, on Ellis Island in the harbour of Donald Trump's home city, is a plaque bearing the following poem:
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
“Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
I wonder if Donald Trump's command of English goes as far as understanding the meaning of:
“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,"
Yeah ... but how many can fit on a small island?
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Moderator:
Just to note that the posts removed from here on theology have been used for a new thread to allow those involved to continue their discussion.
http://www.religionethics.co.uk/index.php?topic=13319.0
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The discussion about petitions is an interesting one. Many thousands more signed one calling for Katie Hopkins to be sacked than called for a change in policy for rescuing refugees in the Med.
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Gabriella wrote:
What seems to be happening is that the US arms itself and uses its military and economic power to interfere in other regions helped by its special friend, the UK, all in the name of national interest. This prompts other countries or militants in other countries to arm themselves against US intervention, everyone experiences blow-back and proxy wars, squeals and borders start closing. Meanwhile ordinary people on all sides are caught in the middle. Wonder where this latest tactic by Trump will lead, given Trump's support for the Saudi King (his citizens aren't banned despite protection against 9/11 terrorist incidents being used as one of the pretexts for this temporary ban), Trump wants to move the US embassy in Israel to Jerusalem and Trump apparently supports Israel building settlements on occupied Palestinian land.
Cynics are saying that Trump has exempted countries where he does business, e.g. Saudis, Pakistan. I wondered also about Nigeria, where Boko Haram exist. It's also said that the seven countries banned have never produced terrorism on US soil, although the US seems to have bombed most of them!
It's possible also that is is a Muslim ban by token, since a total Muslim ban would be bad for business.
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Perhaps we're all now in the Twilight Zone and Trump is a genius.
To most of us plebs his edicts look like precipitous and ill-planned interventions taken with less diligence than he'd employ choosing the carpets for his latest hotel: not how we expect international politics to be done. Then again he has dramatically moved the line in the sand, so that even if he retreats a little the new line in the sand isn't where it was before, and presumably he's done this far more quickly than would otherwise have been the case.
Reminds me a bit of a syllogism I always thought applied to most senior NHS managers I encountered during my working life: 'something must be done, this is a something, therefore let's do this'.
As regards the State Visit no doubt he'll be encouraged to diplomatically postpone (to be announced at a point when the international news agenda is preoccupied with other matters).
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There may be method in his madness. I mean, that a total Muslim ban is probably not going to work, partly because it would be bad for business and trade, and also would annoy allies, such as the Saudis, and would freak out European allies. So he has picked on 7 poor countries, who are probably not involved much in US business.
He is certainly talking to his base, whether or not the opposition will be substantial, is unclear. And the long term effects seem totally unpredictable.
And it may be a godsend to ISIS recruiters and propaganda workers, who will surely milk this as much as possible. 'We told you the US hates Muslims, now they can't even travel to the US', and so on.
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ETA: JP - do you have a link to the petition against King Salman - when I Googled it, I got news about the petition against Trump?
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/118022
If you had signed it there would have been **drum roll** 401 signatories.
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Yes - I didn't know there was a Katy Hopkins petition either - interesting what the media choose to focus on. I would have shared the petition so probably more than 401.
Anyway Trump's ban is part of his America First publicity stunt. He knows he needs to be seen to be doing something to satisfy the baying masses (even if he leaves Saudi Arabia off the list), while the US arms industry can carry on business as usual selling terrorism abroad, and hope that there won't be a tipping point when too many US citizens die from blow-back terrorism at home. His policy on arms spending seems undecided and his tweets seem t cause the value of stocks of the arms industry companies to fluctuate a bit - he wants cost-cutting and also increased spending on arms. As an America First businessman he wants the US to have lots of weapons that kill people in other countries effectively at a cheaper price.
http://money.usnews.com/investing/articles/2016-12-16/defense-stocks-not-so-safe-after-all-under-donald-trump-ba-lmt
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Blowback is an interesting one. I would think that ISIS are cockahoop at the moment, what a propaganda gift. They will be already printing the leaflets and making the videos - 'the US hates Muslims', and so on. But who can say how this will pan out - totally unpredictable. How will Iran react? - make a nuclear bomb? - no idea.
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We will be in for four whole years of this as most anything Trump does will elicit howls of anger followed by mass protests claiming Trump is a fascist, no return to the 1930's etc, blah, blah, blah.
All bollocks of course. The left are just showing their true colours, people who do not respect the fact that he won the election, shed tears when they do not get their own way. They are protesting against democracy as they are bad losers.
What they don't realise is, that they helped put Trump to get to the Whitehouse. They thought it was theirs but when people went into the ballot booth, those who were silent outside voted for Trump inside, and what the lefties are doing now is setting the fertile ground for him to be there for a further four.
I voted to stay in the EU but if there was another vote I would vote go just because of the insufferable remain lot. I have no time from Trump but if I was a Yank.....
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JP
I tend to agree with you . And he displays all the traits of an excellent sales person (make good your promises).
Also , if we live in a capitalist society countries should be run by business people if the bottom line is so important.
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Yes, I think business is to the fore here, since countries such as the Saudis, with whom both the US and Trump have commercial and military ties, are exempt from the ban, even though they have sponsored terrorism, and of course, most of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi.
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Yes, I think business is to the fore here, since countries such as the Saudis, with whom both the US and Trump have commercial and military ties, are exempt from the ban, even though they have sponsored terrorism, and of course, most of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi.
liking who you do business with is irrelevant as long as all your goals are being met.
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liking who you do business with is irrelevant as long as all your goals are being met.
You do know that six of Trump's companies filed for bankruptcy - 3 in Atlantic City, the Plaza Hotel in New York in the 1990s, then Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts in 2004 and Trump Entertainment Resorts in 2009.
Being a good salesman isn't enough to be a good businessman. The bottom line relies on controlling costs - and Trump is clearly rubbish at that.
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You do know that six of Trump's companies filed for bankruptcy - 3 in Atlantic City, the Plaza Hotel in New York in the 1990s, then Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts in 2004 and Trump Entertainment Resorts in 2009.
Being a good salesman isn't enough to be a good businessman. The bottom line relies on controlling costs - and Trump is clearly rubbish at that.
Hmm, he certainly missed out not having you on his team eh?
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We will be in for four whole years of this as most anything Trump does will elicit howls of anger followed by mass protests claiming Trump is a fascist, no return to the 1930's etc, blah, blah, blah.
All bollocks of course. The left are just showing their true colours, people who do not respect the fact that he won the election, shed tears when they do not get their own way. They are protesting against democracy as they are bad losers.
Protests are hallmarks of democracy and legitimate expressions of free speech - even Trump acknowledged that about the Women's March - and these are British values.
Let's not pretend there weren't some protests and even racial incidents after Obama was elected, in protest of his election. This included a life-sized likeness of Obama hanging from a noose at the University of Kentucky, the torching of a mainly black Church in Massachusetts, and some assaults of Obama supporters.
What they don't realise is, that they helped put Trump to get to the Whitehouse. They thought it was theirs but when people went into the ballot booth, those who were silent outside voted for Trump inside, and what the lefties are doing now is setting the fertile ground for him to be there for a further four.
I voted to stay in the EU but if there was another vote I would vote go just because of the insufferable remain lot. I have no time from Trump but if I was a Yank.....
You're right that people became fed up with not being heard and voted for Trump. Not sure what they hoped to achieve - there are no easy solutions and simplistic, decisive action might make them feel better for a little while but it also creates a whole load of other problems. Some people are more focused on the harm caused by Trump's policies than they are on the feel-good nationalism that doesn't actually solve anything if Trump is going to continue to meddle in the rest of the world.
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All bollocks of course. The left are just showing their true colours, people who do not respect the fact that he won the election, shed tears when they do not get their own way. They are protesting against democracy as they are bad losers.
Who is protesting against democracy?
Democracy is not a dictatorship of the majority, still less should it be a dictatorship of a minority by virtue of the vagaries of an electoral system (as is the case for both the Orange Bigot and the UK government). Everybody in a functioning democracy should have the right to peaceful protest.
I voted to stay in the EU but if there was another vote I would vote go just because of the insufferable remain lot.
Nobody voted for the plan the PM is now proposing. Just one example: what happened to the £350 million per week that was going to fund the NHS ( http://tinyurl.com/zf8mrxt )?
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The right wing wave and anti open door policy has been coming for some time now. It is almost everywhere. Trump is not the cause, only a symptom.
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And those who protest did not see it coming through their smugness.
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Who is protesting against democracy?
Democracy is not a dictatorship of the majority, still less should it be a dictatorship of a minority by virtue of the vagaries of an electoral system (as is the case for both the Orange Bigot and the UK government). Everybody in a functioning democracy should have the right to peaceful protest.
Nobody voted for the plan the PM is now proposing. Just one example: what happened to the £350 million per week that was going to fund the NHS ( http://tinyurl.com/zf8mrxt )?
Not that I disagree, but neverending democracy by way of constant elections and protests, nevererendums and petitions.
Supposing they bring Trump down. How well do you think that would be received and do you think the next round would help to heal or would it fracture even further. Supposing the Democrats win and the Republicans take to the street, after all it worked the last time so we can bring them down like they brought us down. Perpetual "democracy".
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And those who protest did not see it coming through their smugness.
brilliant ;D
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brilliant ;D
**doffs cap**
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And those who protest did not see it coming through their smugness.
Where do you get the idea from that people did not see it coming? They saw it coming and were protesting long before the US 2016 election. There were numerous anti-GOP, anti-right-wing protests in the US and anti-EDL and other anti-right wing extremist protests here in the UK. Especially after Al-Qaeda types and the arms industry started pushing the "clash of civilisations" narrative in an attempt to cause division and gain more support from that division to further their own agendas. There were also many protests against corporate greed, that resulted in ordinary people being left behind while a tiny minority made huge profits and avoided tax.
People protested then and are continuing to protest because division is what extremists in all parts of the world unite under. Not surprising therefore that people are not going to sleep-walk into the "them and us" nationalism that Trump and various extremist militants are trying to create, because they see it as a threat to peace and stability for their families. Of course they are going to continue protesting. Not sure why you would expect them to shrug their shoulders and not protest against threats to the people they care about.
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Methinks you have the wrong end of the stick
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Methinks you have the wrong end of the stick
Which part of the stick specifically are you referring to?
People are protesting against Trump because they think his policies are divisive and do not solve the problems they want solved. I am not just talking about this temporary 90 day ban of citizens from countries that have not committed terrorist attacks on US soil, while allowing in citizens from countries who have committed terrorist acts on US soil.
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Read #218
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Read #218
I did. You responded to #218 in #219 that those protesting did not see it coming and I responded to your #219 comment in #223 that they did see it coming and were protesting against the right-wing agenda for a long time before trump was elected. You still haven't answered my question - what makes you think they did not see it coming?
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I did. You responded to #218 in #219 that those protesting did not see it coming and I responded to your #219 comment in #223 that they did see it coming and were protesting against the right-wing agenda for a long time before trump was elected. You still haven't answered my question - what makes you think they did not see it coming?
I am making the assumption here that we are both taking about the protestors, the left, the democrats.
Okay. Tell me in simple terms what it was they saw coming. No add-ons, no point to make, just what it was they saw coming.
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Firstly, all the people protesting aren't Democrats. Many Republicans opposed Trump being the Republican candidate and now that he is President, there are Republicans who oppose his policies.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/01/25/john-mccain-donald-trump-voter-fraud-torture/97059232/
In answer to your question - many of the people protesting saw divisive politics, nationalism, and a right-wing agenda based on simplistic slogans winning the US election and they protested against it both before and after the election.
http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/
I think many people were afraid Trump was going to win the election, and are exercising their democratic right to protest against his divisive policies, because they cannot see that the policies solve any of the problems people are concerned about - it just seems to be empty posturing to temporarily and arbitrarily ban people from countries that have never committed a terrorist act on US soil while not banning people from Saudi Arabia - what happened to protecting people in the US from acts like 9/11 where most of the terrorists were apparently from Saudi Arabia?
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One of the strangest aspects of this ban is that people already living in the US may be affected. There are reports that Iranians who live in the US (about 1 million), dare not leave, as they may not be allowed back.
This seems both unjust and amateurish, and it's hard to believe that it will make the US safer.
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Firstly, all the people protesting aren't Democrats. Many Republicans opposed Trump being the Republican candidate and now that he is President, there are Republicans who oppose his policies.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/01/25/john-mccain-donald-trump-voter-fraud-torture/97059232/
In answer to your question - many of the people protesting saw divisive politics, nationalism, and a right-wing agenda based on simplistic slogans winning the US election and they protested against it both before and after the election.
http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/
I think many people were afraid Trump was going to win the election, and are exercising their democratic right to protest against his divisive policies, because they cannot see that the policies solve any of the problems people are concerned about - it just seems to be empty posturing to temporarily and arbitrarily ban people from countries that have never committed a terrorist act on US soil while not banning people from Saudi Arabia - what happened to protecting people in the US from acts like 9/11 where most of the terrorists were apparently from Saudi Arabia?
You can add to that Turkey, Pakistan, Qatar, and Afghanistan, where terrorism has been sponsored or harboured. I'm guessing that Trump is exempting richer countries, where the US does business? Doesn't apply to Afghans. Money talks.
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I imagine that this will increase Islamist radicalization around the world, but then Trump will probably say, told you so.
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In answer to your question - many of the people protesting saw divisive politics, nationalism, and a right-wing agenda based on simplistic slogans winning the US election and they protested against it both before and after the election.
The dazed, slack jawed, weeping, teddy bear clutching democrats who were waiting for Hilary to win did not suggest to me that they saw it coming. Unlike Micheal Moore they clearly did not see the writing on the wall even though it had been appearing for a long time. Probably due to an inability to see things through the eyes of another. Same as the stunned silence that followed the Brexit vote, same type of people did not see that coming either for the same reasons.
There is now momentum and Europe awaits the elections in The Netherlands, France, Germany and Italy.
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I imagine that this will increase Islamist radicalization around the world, but then Trump will probably say, told you so.
Might, might not. Even if we never know he can be the worlds whipping boy so any future Paris x 7, Nice, Berlin, Istanbul, Brussels x 2 can be blamed on him.
Tbh I think there is enough for the radicals to be going on. Israel does very well for a small country and they hate the USA for being the USA anyway.
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BBC News giving a running commentary on how many people have signed the petition. Over 1,300,000 now.
This means that over 60,000,000 have not signed it.
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BBC News giving a running commentary on how many people have signed the petition. Over 1,300,000 now.
This means that over 60,000,000 have not signed it.
.. which needless to say doesn't equate to 60,000,000 approving of a state visit. Obviously.
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BBC News giving a running commentary on how many people have signed the petition. Over 1,300,000 now.
This means that over 60,000,000 have not signed it.
oh no we're all doomed , soon there will be a shortage of dummies and teddies and then there will be a petition about that.
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On the BBC Radio 4 news at lunchtime, Sir Malcolm Riffkind gave a very good assessment of the situation I thought.
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.. which needless to say doesn't equate to 60,000,000 approving of a state visit. Obviously.
Well I dunno. In this democratic new age where results don't matter when things don't go your way perhaps some lawyers can do a pro bono to try and redefine what a petition means. Not signing may mean you oppose it which in this case there is massive support for Trump to come. I mean, I want him to come but I have no way of getting it out to the nation other than to not sign it.
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The dazed, slack jawed, weeping, teddy bear clutching democrats who were waiting for Hilary to win did not suggest to me that they saw it coming. Unlike Micheal Moore they clearly did not see the writing on the wall even though it had been appearing for a long time. Probably due to an inability to see things through the eyes of another. Same as the stunned silence that followed the Brexit vote, same type of people did not see that coming either for the same reasons.
There is now momentum and Europe awaits the elections in The Netherlands, France, Germany and Italy.
Oh so you were just referring to the dazed, slack jawed etc, etc protesters who didn't see it coming. Not all the other non-dazed, non-slack jawed protesters who saw it coming when they heard all the brainless reasons why people supported Trump and who protested against it and continue to legitimately protest against Trump now he has been elected.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/trump-supporters-shown-identical-photos-of-hillary-clinton-guess-which-is-her-secret-double-a7324726.html%3Famp?client=safari
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So Gabriella, you are saying that the vast majority of Democrats expected Clinton to lose? They saw that coming so were not surprised.
Had a quick glance at the link. I believe it is about a thick Trump voter. Is that correct?
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Had a quick glance at the link. I believe it is about a thick Trump voter. Is that correct?
No need to repeat yourself ;)
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It's about various Trump voters and their various reasons for supporting Trump. It was worrying in the run up to the election.
I have no stats to say what percentage of the people legitimately protesting saw it coming. If you have stats on that, be happy to see them.
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I imagine that this will increase Islamist radicalization around the world, but then Trump will probably say, told you so.
I don't think it will have a huge effect. What it will do though - and this is just as if not far more damaging - is deter the brave and the just Muslims in places like Iraq and Syria who act as interpreters, pass on information and act as spies and infiltrators in order to aid US military action and intelligence - and by extension our own. Why take a risk if later when you need asylum it is denied to you with a stroke of a pen?
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One of the strangest aspects of this ban is that people already living in the US may be affected. There are reports that Iranians who live in the US (about 1 million), dare not leave, as they may not be allowed back.
This seems both unjust and amateurish, and it's hard to believe that it will make the US safer.
Yes, amateurish is spot on. Injustices aside, it makes the US presidency a laughing stock.
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Yes, amateurish is spot on. Injustices aside, it makes the US presidency a laughing stock.
I have an American friend whose husband is Iranian, with a green card, I think, living in SF. They are freaking out, not just because they daren't leave the country, but what's next?
They came for the Jews, and I did nothing ...
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I have an American friend whose husband is Iranian, with a green card, I think, living in SF. They are freaking out, not just because they daren't leave the country, but what's next?
They came for the Jews, and I did nothing ...
Just heading back on the tube from Downing St protest. Took a photo of a banner that said "Jews standing withMuslims. We have seen this before and will not look away"
My homemade banner said "No to Trump. No to arms to Saudi" - made by my older daughter complete with fake splattered blood.
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Just heading back on the tube from Downing St protest. Took a photo of a banner that said "Jews standing withMuslims. We have seen this before and will not look away"
My homemade banner said "No to Trump. No to arms to Saudi" - made by my older daughter complete with fake splattered blood.
Well done. I saw an interview with Brunhilde Pomsel, Goebbel's secretary, and she said: "The people who today say they would have done more for those poor, persecuted Jews… I really believe that they sincerely mean it," she said in interviews for A German Life. "But they wouldn't have done it either."
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Zzzzz! I agree that countries like Saudi Arabia and Turkey should be added to the list.
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Zzzzz! I agree that countries like Saudi Arabia and Turkey should be added to the list.
Clearly right-wing politicians like Trump are far too pragmatic to do that - cheered on by the Trump supporters. It seems terrorism by Saudis is simply the price you have to pay for your economy to function well .
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Clearly right-wing politicians like Trump are far too pragmatic to do that - cheered on by the Trump supporters. It seems terrorism by Saudis is simply the price you have to pay for your economy to function well .
Or, its the price you have to pay for the Tiny-handed Orange Fool having business interests in Saudi Arabia (and Egypt and the UAE).
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/trump-muslim-ban-excludes-countries-linked-businesses-article-1.2957956
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I hear this morning that he has already sacked his Attorney General (or whatever the title is) for disagreeing with his immigration order, also another of his appointees.
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He should have done it properly and ban all muslims.
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Why? How would that help? I fly to the US fairly often. I have Muslim friends who go there for work or to study or who live there and pay taxes. What would be the point of banning us? Or was there no logical thought behind that comment and you were just bored and wanted to get a reaction?
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He should have done it properly and ban all muslims.
On what grounds?
And what about the millions of muslims already living and working in the US?
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He should have done it properly and ban all muslims.
And that's a sound, reasonable, proportionate policy of a rational individual, is it?
Still: makes a change from the Jews, I suppose.
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Why? How would that help? I fly to the US fairly often. I have Muslim friends who go there for work or to study or who live there and pay taxes. What would be the point of banning us? Or was there no logical thought behind that comment and you were just bored and wanted to get a reaction?
It's what I reckon Europe should do. At the moment Europe's committing cultural and ethnic suicide. We should be doing qhat Trump is doing but better.
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So you're in favour of bigoted, divisive, unjust and lunatic policies, then.
Glad we cleared that one up.
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'Supposed to be' - there's your answer.
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So you're in favour of bigoted, divisive, unjust and lunatic policies, then.
Glad we cleared that one up.
What I want is for us to remain a distinct people. let's take Sweden as an example. The rate Sweden is going there won't be any Swedes in an hundred years time. They will have been wiped out, except in a strict legal sense of course, but then a piece of paper means fuck all. What it is is genocide. Of course if we were talking about anyone other than Europeans you'd all be agreeing.
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What a sick comment, especially from one who is supposed to be religious! >:(
So you approve of genocide. Let's wipe out European people.
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Spot the poster who doesn't know what genocide means.
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Spot the poster who doesn't know what genocide means.
I know what it means and it's exactly what is happening via a sort of reverse colonialism through mass immigration.
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'Supposed to be' - there's your answer.
I totally agree with that sentiment ,however the greatest threat to human civilisation is not climate change , there is something else for more immediate and dangerous and the sooner more people pull the scales from their eyes the safer we will be .
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Come back, Adolf, all is forgiven?
Are there no lessons from history which should inform our lives?
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I know what it means and it's exactly what is happening via a sort of reverse colonialism through mass immigration.
Ah. So you don't know what it means after all.
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Come back, Adolf, all is forgiven?
Are there no lessons from history which should inform our lives?
As I said, if it wasn't Europeans this was happening to you'd most likely be agreeing with me.
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I totally agree with that sentiment ,however the greatest threat to human civilisation is not climate change
Isn't it?
there is something else for more immediate and dangerous and the sooner more people pull the scales from their eyes the safer we will be .
Such as? If it's so immediate and dangerous why can't you say what it is without all the verbal asterisks?
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http://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/genocide
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As I said, if it wasn't Europeans this was happening to you'd most likely be agreeing with me.
Why's that?
Because you assume that everybody else is a racist asshat as well?
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It's what I reckon Europe should do. At the moment Europe's committing cultural and ethnic suicide. We should be doing qhat Trump is doing but better.
Why do you think banning Muslims will help Europe? When have there ever been simplistic solutions to complex social problems?
Many countries in Europe face the costs of an aging population - they need immigrants to pay taxes and do the jobs that need doing so that the country does not grind to a halt. That is the reality that economists, businesses and certain European leaders have had to face.
Not much you can do about ethnic changes to the population, unless you can persuade ethnically European women to become baby machines for you to create the workers and tax payers that Europe needs. But increasingly you see mixed-race relationships, so I think you can't turn the clock back.
If you are worried about cultural suicide, given you need workers and tax payers, your best bet is to promote policies that tackle criminal behaviour, preferably without the huge costs of running more prisons, and promote policies of integration into whatever the culture is in the area. That way you don't end up with crippling social and healthcare costs because of the aging population and not enough workers, but you do continue to maintain some of your cultural heritage despite the increasing need for immigrants. One problem for you is that individualism is part of the culture in Europe - each person free to express their identity and associating in groups of like-minded people so long as they are not engaging in criminal behaviour - which is why you end up with so many mosques and halal shops as the majority of Muslims peacefully go about their lives, work, pay taxes etc.
Do you want to change European culture to discourage individualism? Individualism tends to lead to innovation and entrepreneurship - new ideas to boost the economy. Do you think the majority opinion in Europe is that it is better to discourage individualism and go back to more social control and conformity?
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When have there ever been simplistic solutions to complex social problems?
Ever since stupid and/or fearful people, who don't like or just can't think complicated things about complicated issues.
Not much you can do about ethnic changes to the population, unless you can persuade ethnically European women to become baby machines for you to create the workers and tax payers that Europe needs.
I'm sure he'd be absolutely delighted with that.
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I think that what scares Christians is the fact the they are losing adherents across Europe while Islam is growing, partly due to migration, but also a higher birth rate and there are European converts also. It won't be long before Islam is the majority faith in many European countries, and Christianity will no longer be able to claim its privileged status.
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I think that what scares Christians is the fact the they are losing adherents across Europe while Islam is growing, partly due to migration, but also a higher birth rate and there are European converts also. It won't be long before Islam is the majority faith in many European countries, and Christianity will no longer be able to claim its privileged status.
I'd have thought that in England specifically that's already the case and we have the stats to prove it.
Not that those with privilege ever give it up easily, of course.
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I think that what scares Christians is the fact the they are losing adherents across Europe while Islam is growing, partly due to migration, but also a higher birth rate and there are European converts also. It won't be long before Islam is the majority faith in many European countries, and Christianity will no longer be able to claim its privileged status.
the last figures I saw on projections up to 2030 don't bear out that many European countries will have Islam as the majority faith, are there some new extrapolations?
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I'd have thought that in England specifically that's already the case and we have the stats to prove it.
Not that those with privilege ever give it up easily, of course.
we have the stats to prove that England has Islam as its largest religion?
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I think there is a very skewed narrative presented by the media on this. They focus on the dopey, Trump-supporting type converts to Islam who are also looking for simplistic solutions to complex problems - hence they do stupid things like get brainwashed by ISIS or retreat behind a burka - but the media do not shine a spotlight on the other types of Muslims. There is a huge amount of diversity that just gets ignored - and I don't just mean the Muslims who are atheists, or the Muslims who are gay, but the huge amount of individualism amongst ordinary Muslims.
Ad-O's problem seems to be a problem with individualism and a lack of social conformity - he should therefore persuade politicians to figure out solutions to that rather than shoot himself and his fellow-Europeans in the foot by depriving the economy of a much-needed workforce.
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we have the stats to prove that England has Islam as its largest religion?
No no no, I didn't mean that - I meant that Christianity is a minority religion, so given that, how much longer can the C of E trade on past glories and continue to insist that it ought to keep its privileged position by being the established state church?
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Why do you think banning Muslims will help Europe? When have there ever been simplistic solutions to complex social problems?
Many countries in Europe face the costs of an aging population - they need immigrants to pay taxes and do the jobs that need doing so that the country does not grind to a halt. That is the reality that economists, businesses and certain European leaders have had to face.
Not much you can do about ethnic changes to the population, unless you can persuade ethnically European women to become baby machines for you to create the workers and tax payers that Europe needs. But increasingly you see mixed-race relationships, so I think you can't turn the clock back.
If you are worried about cultural suicide, given you need workers and tax payers, your best bet is to promote policies that tackle criminal behaviour, preferably without the huge costs of running more prisons, and promote policies of integration into whatever the culture is in the area. That way you don't end up with crippling social and healthcare costs because of the aging population and not enough workers, but you do continue to maintain some of your cultural heritage despite the increasing need for immigrants. One problem for you is that individualism is part of the culture in Europe - each person free to express their identity and associating in groups of like-minded people so long as they are not engaging in criminal behaviour - which is why you end up with so many mosques and halal shops as the majority of Muslims peacefully go about their lives, work, pay taxes etc.
Do you want to change European culture to discourage individualism? Individualism tends to lead to innovation and entrepreneurship - new ideas to boost the economy. Do you think the majority opinion in Europe is that it is better to discourage individualism and go back to more social control and conformity?
It's a myth that we need mass immigration. All it is is a means by which large corporations get workers who will work for peanuts. What needs to be done is to give more incentives to have children.
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Back to the baby machines, exactly as Gabriella predicted.
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As I said, if it wasn't Europeans this was happening to you'd most likely be agreeing with me.
Some previously isolated tribal cultures need protection at certain points, otherwise they do risk being completely exterminated. Europeans are hardly in that category. I should think they only way that they could even get anywhere near that is by choosing to cut off all contact and interaction with anyone outside some designated region. ie. set up for driving themselves towards extinction.
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Kinder, Küche, Kirche, will purify the Aryan nation!
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It's a myth that we need mass immigration. All it is is a means by which large corporations get workers who will work for peanuts. What needs to be done is to give more incentives to have children.
Lots of women don't like having more children - currently it causes all kinds of problems for your body and mental state - high blood pressure, diabetes, incontinence, tiredness, mood swings caused by hormones, you could die in childbirth - plus looking after children is really hard work especially if you are a single parent, plus parenting leaves you stressed and irritable especially if you are trying to maintain your financial independence by working in case your relationship with the co-parent breaks down , and there is huge media pressure to have a perfect body or you might get dumped or cheated on, which then adds to your pressure because looking good becomes very expensive....
What are these proposed incentives you speak of?
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No no no, I didn't mean that - I meant that Christianity is a minority religion, so given that, how much longer can the C of E trade on past glories and continue to insist that it ought to keep its privileged position by being the established state church?
Mmm I'm not convinced there's a lot of 'insisting' going on. I suspect rather there isn't a lot of push for it to be disestablished. Given the split between it's establishment and the overall state, the fact most people do not see any great effect, and that it might be seen as an attack on the monarchy, still bizarrely popular, I think most people who might consider it see it as too much effort.
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Kinder, Küche, Kirche, will purify the Aryan nation!
That man hits the nail on the head again.
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Back to the baby machines, exactly as Gabriella predicted.
You could use financial incentives to encourage more "Christian" children but the chances are that those children will reject religion just as the current generations are doing. Anyway, Trump certainly can't take that route.
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Back to the baby machines, exactly as Gabriella predicted.
have a look at current birth rates of Muslims and non Muslims in England and what that means for the future
I'm not able to do it myself at the moment so would appreciate your help
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You could use financial incentives to encourage more "Christian" children but the chances are that those children will reject religion just as the current generations are doing.
Precisely. What will keep these "Christian" children "Christian" in 2037 if they're not in 2017? In the past Professor Davey has provided some interesting statistics in this area.
You could always pray for some sort of revival, I suppose.
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Well I dunno. In this democratic new age where results don't matter when things don't go your way perhaps some lawyers can do a pro bono to try and redefine what a petition means. Not signing may mean you oppose it which in this case there is massive support for Trump to come. I mean, I want him to come but I have no way of getting it out to the nation other than to not sign it.
Or you could sign this one
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178844
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have a look at current birth rates of Muslims and non Muslims in England and what that means for the future
I'm not able to do it myself at the moment so would appreciate your help
What does it mean for the future according to you and by what means do you claim to know this? Is it Tarot cards, tea leaves or everybody's favourite, the crystal ball?
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Back to the baby machines, exactly as Gabriella predicted.
I am also curious about how he proposes to limit baby production to ethnic Europeans only doing the deed with ethnic Europeans. People keep jetting off on holiday or work to different parts of the world and connecting with people of a different ethnicity, finding common ground, shared values, falling in love....that includes Muslims changing cultural values as they are exposed to new cultures.
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I am also curious about how he proposes to limit baby production to ethnic Europeans only doing the deed with ethnic Europeans.
Perhaps we could introduce some sort of mass registration and controlled breeding scheme so that we only get the right kind of babies?
We could call it the Eurovision Bonk Contest. Get your end away for white Europe today.
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have a look at current birth rates of Muslims and non Muslims in England and what that means for the future
I'm not able to do it myself at the moment so would appreciate your help
Well, you can't just project from current birth rates, as the rates are bound to change.
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What does it mean for the future according to you and by what means do you claim to know this? Is it Tarot cards, tea leaves or everybody's favourite, the crystal ball?
I'm not looking for an argument here , just trying to establish some facts about the matter as it stands now
Sorry , have to go now !
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I'm not looking for an argument here , just trying to establish some facts about the matter as it stands now
Sorry , have to go now !
This is probably about as in depth as you'll get.
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Well, you can't just project from current birth rates, as the rates are bound to change.
As John O'Farrell(?) once put it, "A futurologist is someone who notes that in winter its cold in summer it's hot and that must mean that by Christmas the temperature will be so high that the seas will have boiled from the Earth."
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Perhaps we could introduce some sort of mass registration and controlled breeding scheme so that we only get the right kind of babies?
We could call it the Eurovision Bonk Contest. Get your end away for white Europe today.
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I'm not sure that Ad-O is more hung-up about the colour or ethnicity than many other people. People in other communities put social pressure on young people to marry within their ethnicity so it's not any worse if Europeans want to do that too, but that does not stop people in all communities from marrying out of their religion, culture or ethnic background as the world becomes more closely connected and open to new perspectives.
If all the immigrants converted to Christianity.... maybe Ad-O would have less of a problem with the immigration issue, but presumably he would have a problem if they became Protestants?
His other main problem seems to be businesses exploiting cheap labour, which they do both in Europe and the US to try to compete with the likes of China and keep up with the demands of consumers for cheaper products. But banning Muslims won't fix the job losses caused by technology or off-shoring or hiring foreigners due to skills shortages in the domestic market.
I think that issue and the failure to enforce rule of law - seems to be behind Brexit and Trump. But given that countries and their leaders are not following the rule of law and are often seen behaving in a morally dubious way to protect national interests or their own self-interest, not really suprising that the people in the countries they govern also look after their own interests first and screw the law. As for skills shortages - the only way for people to get around that is to want to learn and to commit to it by putting in the hours.
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I'm not sure that Ad-O is more hung-up about the colour or ethnicity than many other people. People in other communities put social pressure on young people to marry within their ethnicity so it's not any worse if Europeans want to do that too, but that does not stop people in all communities from marrying out of their religion, culture or ethnic background as the world becomes more closely connected and open to new perspectives.
If all the immigrants converted to Christianity.... maybe Ad-O would have less of a problem with the immigration issue, but presumably he would have a problem if they became Protestants?
His other main problem seems to be businesses exploiting cheap labour, which they do both in Europe and the US to try to compete with the likes of China and keep up with the demands of consumers for cheaper products. But banning Muslims won't fix the job losses caused by technology or off-shoring or hiring foreigners due to skills shortages in the domestic market.
I think that issue and the failure to enforce rule of law - seems to be behind Brexit and Trump. But given that countries and their leaders are not following the rule of law and are often seen behaving in a morally dubious way to protect national interests or their own self-interest, not really suprising that the people in the countries they govern also look after their own interests first and screw the law. As for skills shortages - the only way for people to get around that is to want to learn and to commit to it by putting in the hours.
I'm worried that we won't be a distinct people, culturally and ethnically. I gave the example of Sweden. It has nothing to do with superiority or any such thing. The current situarion, should it continue, is a death sentence to our people. Blood, sweat an tears.
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I'm worried that we won't be a distinct people, culturally and ethnically. I gave the example of Sweden. It has nothing to do with superiority or any such thing. The current situarion, should it continue, is a death sentence to our people. Blood, sweat an tears.
why are 'distinct people' so important to you?
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What even are 'distinct people'?
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No no no, I didn't mean that - I meant that Christianity is a minority religion, so given that, how much longer can the C of E trade on past glories and continue to insist that it ought to keep its privileged position by being the established state church?
I know what I'd like to see happen of course, but atheism as the majority is a very, very long way off, and in the meantime, from a practical, realistic point of view an empty space left by the background culture here of CofE and others, is, with its more rational, liberal attitudes better than Islam, as far as I'm concerned.
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I'm worried that we won't be a distinct people, culturally and ethnically. I gave the example of Sweden. It has nothing to do with superiority or any such thing. The current situarion, should it continue, is a death sentence to our people. Blood, sweat an tears.
There was a 30 year civil war in Sri Lanka, supposedly over precisely that - though it was hard to tell as the politicians, Buddhist monks, charismatic militants all got involved to whip up violent nationalism and it stopped being a debate and negotiation and turned very violent - quotas to maintain the ethnic majority's privilege rather than basing education and jobs on merit, suicide bombers committed to the cause etc
My mother was very non-violently committed to the idea of preserving cultural heritage but eventually she had to concede that it was impossible to control that or legislate for that - people were going to inter-marry, populations were going to fluctuate, people were going to adopt other cultures and religions as they were exposed to new ideas.
From my perspective as the member of a minority, I was slightly baffled by all the worry about offending minorities here in the UK - maybe those kind of ideas are where people should seek change rather than banning people, because my experience is the more you molly-coddle someone the more fragile they seem to get collectively. Maybe that's why previous generations of immigrants were more robust and prepared to integrate. I grew up here during the racism of the 70s - you just got on with it and tried to fit in, and people started giving you a chance once they got to know you.
My community takes the same view in terms of giving aid to Sri Lanka - certain communities in Sri Lanka seem to have developed a dependency culture that was never there before, so we stopped doing so much and told them 50% of the effort needed to come from them, despite the bombing, torture, deaths, living under the rule of militants, living under the rule of the army, rape, female sexual exploitation etc etc they had endured. As time passes and as the younger generation who didn't experience the war grow up, more and more people in those communities are starting to show enthusiasm for helping themselves, especially as their community are encouraging them because they want them to have a future.
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why are 'distinct people' so important to you?
It's who we are, our fathers, the land we fought for and grew up in. It's sbout diversity. Mass immigration diminishes diversity.
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It's who we are, our fathers, the land we fought for and grew up in. It's sbout diversity. Mass immigration diminishes diversity.
Funny; I'd have thought that by definition it increases it.
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It's who we are, our fathers, the land we fought for and grew up in. It's sbout diversity. Mass immigration diminishes diversity.
Not sure what amount 'mass' is but I'd have thought immigration would involve increased diversity.
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It's who we are, our fathers, the land we fought for and grew up in. It's sbout diversity. Mass immigration diminishes diversity.
The first part, why is that important? Why do you think fighting is good! And the second part is Newspeak.
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My great uncle and his mates fought against a gang of blackshirts. They got a pasting but hey, they fought and won against the next lot of fascists they came up against. That's what I want their legacy to be - standing up to those who hate, not the preservation of some fantasy master race.
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My great uncle and his mates fought against a gang of blackshirts. They got a pasting but hey, they fought and won against the next lot of fascists they came up against. That's what I want their legacy to be - standing up to those who hate, not the preservation of some fantasy master race.
Rhi
ive just been tricked by accessing the link you provide at the foot of your posts . I thought it was ' women said' not womens aid !
worra dope!
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Not sure what amount 'mass' is but I'd have thought immigration would involve increased diversity.
It diminishes diversity because there is no longer distinctness because everything has been mingled so much you can't recognise anything anymore. It's about identity.
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I'm not insecure about identity - I've got mirrors in my house.
Perhaps it's just me but this conversation reminds me of that General in Doctor Strangelove who's always boring on about protecting the integrity of "our precious bodily fluids."
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My great uncle and his mates fought against a gang of blackshirts. They got a pasting but hey, they fought and won against the next lot of fascists they came up against. That's what I want their legacy to be - standing up to those who hate, not the preservation of some fantasy master race.
As I ssid, it has nothing to do with superiority but remaining who we are, maintaining our identity as a people. Why can't Europeans be proud of who they are and where they're from?
Reverse colonialisn. Reverse racism.
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As I ssid, it has nothing to do with superiority but remaining who we are, maintaining our identity as a people. Why can't Europeans be proud of who they are and where they're from?
Why can't they do that in a richly ethnically diverse melting-pot kind of society? Plenty of people seem to.
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Why can't they do that in a richly ethnically diverse melting-pot kind of society? Plenty of people seem to.
Because eveything becomes so mingled it becomes lost.
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Because eveything becomes so mingled it becomes lost.
We've always been 'mingled'. What utter nonsense.
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Because eveything becomes so mingled it becomes lost.
No, I don't see how. I certainly don't see it at work anywhere.
Besides, what's up with mingling?
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We've always been 'mingled'. What utter nonsense.
... on stilts. Genetically, socially, culturally, linguistically, we're all mongrels through and through, and always have been. And as any geneticist will be happy to tell you, that's a good thing.
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We've always been 'mingled'. What utter nonsense.
Rhi
I love a good mingle and I would like to preserve my right to do it. Also I would like my daughters to be able to show off their beautiful hair as they see fit . As long as that remains the case I don't see a problem but I know people who don't agree with me.
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Rhi
I love a good mingle and I would like to preserve my right to do it. Also I would like my daughters to be able to show off their beautiful hair as they see fit . As long as that remains the case I don't see a problem but I know people who don't agree with me.
Who's in danger of preventing your daughters from wearing their hair as they wish?
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No one has ever asked me to cover my hair, regardless of who I've mingled with.
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Because eveything becomes so mingled it becomes lost.
Can you provide a list of what 'becomes lost?
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Can you provide a list of what 'becomes lost?
'Everything', apparently. That'll be a big list then.
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Can you provide a list of what 'becomes lost?
1. The integrity of our precious bodily fluids.
2. Everything else.
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I was going to add: we are all the richer for knowing and meeting many different people world-wide, but I left the question a simple one instead!
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Brilliant set of protest signs from Scotland.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-38809265
Trump is a bigly eejit.
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I was going to add: we are all the richer for knowing and meeting many different people world-wide, but I left the question a simple one instead!
SD
I think I'm a simple one!
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Brilliant set of protest signs from Scotland.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-38809265
Trump is a bigly eejit.
laughed out loud ,thanks Rhi,
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As I ssid, it has nothing to do with superiority but remaining who we are, maintaining our identity as a people. Why can't Europeans be proud of who they are and where they're from?
Reverse colonialisn. Reverse racism.
That's a romantic notion - land of our forefathers etc - but does your country not have an ageing population that needs young tax paying workers to support them or a skills shortage or competition from cheap foreign goods? Given people are freely choosing to have kids later in life because they don't want the responsibility or having fewer kids, European leaders need an alternative policy to forcing ethnically European people to have more children and training them up to plug the gap - it's either immigrants or robots. I assume immigrants seemed a more feasible and cost-effective option.
What's your alternative proposal to immigrants and how do you propose to make it work and fund it?
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Obviously Scandinavians are really proud of their viking heritage, because of all the staying at home and weaving baskets they did.
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As I ssid, it has nothing to do with superiority but remaining who we are, maintaining our identity as a people. Why can't Europeans be proud of who they are and where they're from?
Reverse colonialisn. Reverse racism.
'Who we are' in a cultural sense evolves - it always has done and it always will do. The suggestion that we can somehow ossify culture at one point in time and stop it continuing to evolve is like Cnut and the sea.
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Back to the baby machines, exactly as Gabriella predicted.
So 7 billion people isn't enough. Planet Earth is straining under our abuse as it is!!!
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So 7 billion people isn't enough. Planet Earth is straining under our abuse as it is!!!
I'm not agreeing with it - I'm using Gabriella's view of Ad_o's opinions against him.
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That's a romantic notion - land of our forefathers etc - but does your country not have an ageing population that needs young tax paying workers to support them or a skills shortage or competition from cheap foreign goods? Given people are freely choosing to have kids later in life because they don't want the responsibility or having fewer kids, European leaders need an alternative policy to forcing ethnically European people to have more children and training them up to plug the gap - it's either immigrants or robots. I assume immigrants seemed a more feasible and cost-effective option.
What's your alternative proposal to immigrants and how do you propose to make it work and fund it?
You give incentives to have children.
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How do you encourage those who choose benefits rather than wages to work? I realise that some of the difficulties are costs of travelling to work which is not near enough for short bus ride, etc; lack of public transport at places and times required; lack of a sort of automatic work ethic; nowhere near enough value given to jobs which do not need a university degree; and of course home backgrounds all too often provide a bad example; can't think of any more at the moment. But there are many people in this country who will not take, or turn down, the jobs that immigrants will do.
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You give incentives to have children.
So people have children to get the money.
Hmm - not sure that is really the way to ensure that every child is wanted and loved.
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Presumably this state visit will have to be honoured now Theresa May has invited him.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38805196
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How do you encourage those who choose benefits rather than wages to work? I realise that some of the difficulties are costs of travelling to work which is not near enough for short bus ride, etc; lack of public transport at places and times required; lack of a sort of automatic work ethic; nowhere near enough value given to jobs which do not need a university degree; and of course home backgrounds all too often provide a bad example; can't think of any more at the moment. But there are many people in this country who will not take, or turn down, the jobs that immigrants will do.
For the numbers of them that there are, why worry about it? Why not worry more about how do you make sure that the wealthy and the corporations pay their share so that we don't have to worry about the very few who don't have a work ethic?
O.
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For the numbers of them that there are, why worry about it? Why not worry more about how do you make sure that the wealthy and the corporations pay their share so that we don't have to worry about the very few who don't have a work ethic?
O.
Because some, maybe many, people seem to think there are too many immigrants, not realising they will do the jobs that British workers won't.
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One possible take
https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/trial-balloon-for-a-coup-e024990891d5
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Because some, maybe many, people seem to think there are too many immigrants, not realising they will do the jobs that British workers won't.
Isn't it also that immigration boosts the economy, thus providing more jobs? I was watching a film about Oldham recently, which talked about an influx of immigrants, and then mentioned rather quietly at the end, that unemployment had been going down. Of course, it might not be cause/effect.
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You give incentives to have children.
Simplistic answer, doesn't fix the problem now, and takes at least 18 years to produce a tax-paying worker. What are these incentives and more importantly, how do you fund these incentives? If you don't know, then what makes you think it can be done? Which is probably why the government went for the immigrant option, which definitely does work in terms of boosting the economy and generating tax revenue.
Raising a child to adulthood in increasingly urbanised societies, and helping them buy their own home is a huge cost - far more than any government could afford in terms of incentives. Having a child is a huge open-ended responsibility as there is no guarantee that they will become a productive worker, will have the skills to get a job or will even want to do the jobs where there is a shortage, and will not have any health issues that prevent them from working.
Also parenting usually results in the mother's earnings being reduced from what it probably would have been if she had not had the child, since she would either have to take time away from her job to care for the child either by reducing her hours or staying at home for a few years. So the government would have to provide enough money to compensate for lost earnings, a bigger house, nursery, education, clothing, food, not to mention the risk that she might end up a single parent etc
People are more likely to have more than one or 2 kids if they sense there is an expanding economy in which they think their children have a chance of a better life and there is good family/ community support to help care for and nurture the child to become a productive adult. Potential parents are usually motivated by access to affordable childcare and good education, access to affordable housing, cheap mortgages. This is not a description of the economy we currently live in, whereas immigrants do boost the economy now - immigrants mean more people working, spending money in the economy, paying taxes, providing resources to pay for the ageing population.
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One possible take
https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/trial-balloon-for-a-coup-e024990891d5
Yes - worrying if it is the case that Trump is establishing a kleptocracy to funnel money to his businesses and his administration is ignoring court judgments - Michael Moore also thinks there is a coup taking place in the US.
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I suspect that one reason Trump didn't go for a total Muslim ban, was that it could have unforeseen consequences in terms of the economy and of course political relations. He has picked 7 relatively poor countries, but if he had included the Saudis, Egypt, Turkey, and Indonesia, who knows what would ensue? All kinds of retaliations, sanctions, trade war? He has enough rationality to realize this (well, I am guessing really).
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I suspect that one reason Trump didn't go for a total Muslim ban, was that it could have unforeseen consequences in terms of the economy and of course political relations. He has picked 7 relatively poor countries, but if he had included the Saudis, Egypt, Turkey, and Indonesia, who knows what would ensue? All kinds of retaliations, sanctions, trade war? He has enough rationality to realize this (well, I am guessing really).
I saw one criticism was that he didn't pick Saudi Arabia because it would hurt his own investments, that the countries he chose didn't put him at a disadvantage, business wise.
How true that is I'm not sure.
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I think a coup in America isn't beyond the bounds of possibility if Trump presses ahead with some of his extremist measures, like trying to ban abortion and gay marriage. :o
Those aren't his stated positions.
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There is a report on it here, by the independant
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/muslim-majority-countries-donald-trump-travel-ban-immigration-entry-visa-three-main-countries-exempt-a7552526.html
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For the numbers of them that there are, why worry about it? Why not worry more about how do you make sure that the wealthy and the corporations pay their share so that we don't have to worry about the very few who don't have a work ethic?
O.
Business-owners, CEOs, top management are each earning hundreds of times more than the average employee who works in their firm. As these people are also responsible for deciding the salaries everyone earns, no surprise that the divide between rich and poor is just getting bigger and bigger.
All the more irrational that voters would elect Trump to sort out the inequality divide - a person who pays himself huge amounts of money from his businesses, files for bankruptcy to avoid paying workers and suppliers and is not transparent about the tax he pays. All because he said he would ban Muslims and Mexicans.
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I suspect that one reason Trump didn't go for a total Muslim ban, was that it could have unforeseen consequences in terms of the economy and of course political relations. He has picked 7 relatively poor countries, but if he had included the Saudis, Egypt, Turkey, and Indonesia, who knows what would ensue? All kinds of retaliations, sanctions, trade war? He has enough rationality to realize this (well, I am guessing really).
Yes - the Saudis for example spend a lot of money - no doubt enough of that finds its way to Trump's businesses interests in the Middle East and the US for Trump to ignore Saudi Muslims who fund terrorism against US, UK, and European citizens, not to mention the victims in the developing countries throughout the world.
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Business-owners, CEOs, top management are each earning hundreds of times more than the average employee who works in their firm. As these people are also responsible for deciding the salaries everyone earns, no surprise that the divide between rich and poor is just getting bigger and bigger.
All the more irrational that voters would elect Trump to sort out the inequality divide - a person who pays himself huge amounts of money from his businesses, files for bankruptcy to avoid paying workers and suppliers and is not transparent about the tax he pays. All because he said he would ban Muslims and Mexicans.
Disraeli called them angels in marble, that is, poor people who vote for right-wing governments. The Tory party has relied on them often. I suppose there is an argument a bit like 'trickle-down', that such govts produce wealth, which helps the poor.
But in the US, you also have issues such as abortion, which cut across economic issues. Thus, many evangelicals voted Trump, plus gun-owners, plus root-tootin' good ole boys, who don't like gumment.
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The view from Kilmarnock
http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/88778653/scathing-donald-trump-poem-wins-new-zealand-competition
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Possibly kite flying but what a kite!
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-executive-order-christian-pre-marital-sex-same-sex-marriage-abortion-wrong-religious-a7558691.html
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What happened to equal marriage being "a settled matter," Mr President?
http://tinyurl.com/hm4xgvt
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How much hope is there, do you think, that this will not be one of his signed EOs?
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You have to watch out for fake news now, as there is a lot of it about, in relation to Trump. It does sound like Pence, of course.
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You have to watch out for fake news now, as there is a lot of it about, in relation to Trump. It does sound like Pence, of course.
My thoughts exactly. It's the trade off for him giving the green light to Trump's own self interested projects, or turning a blind eye to them.
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You have to watch out for fake news now, as there is a lot of it about, in relation to Trump. It does sound like Pence, of course.
"Fake news" is like Fox News's "expert" announcing to the world that cities like Birmingham in the UK have been taken over by Muslims, and it's a no go zone for non Muslims.
I bet President trump likes Fox News, and I bet they like him.
What a combination!
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/02/02/donald-trumps-pest-control-problem.html
Propaganda here we come.
Some Americans seem quite concerned that Donald Trump will use his position of power to suppress his critics and erode their freedoms.
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Simplistic answer, doesn't fix the problem now, and takes at least 18 years to produce a tax-paying worker. What are these incentives and more importantly, how do you fund these incentives? If you don't know, then what makes you think it can be done? Which is probably why the government went for the immigrant option, which definitely does work in terms of boosting the economy and generating tax revenue.
Short term fix with long term consequences or unknown future parameters.
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You have to watch out for fake news now, as there is a lot of it about, in relation to Trump. It does sound like Pence, of course.
...and that's fake news.
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Its amazing the extent to which people the world over see themselves in one way or the other, as dependent on the US. And also the extent to which most people expect the US to conform to their specific requirements and aspirations. Its almost as if the US is not a sovereign state but some common playground that has suddenly been closed to the public.
Other countries like China, Russia, Saudi Arabia are also large economies that trade and interact with other countries, but no one takes these countries for granted or expects their internal policies to fall in line with the aspirations of people the world over.
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Its amazing the extent to which people the world over see themselves in one way or the other, as dependent on the US. And also the extent to which most people expect the US to conform to their specific requirements and aspirations. Its almost as if the US is not a sovereign state but some common playground that has suddenly been closed to the public.
Other countries like China, Russia, Saudi Arabia are also large economies that trade and interact with other countries, but no one takes these countries for granted or expects their internal policies to fall in line with the aspirations of people the world over.
Sriram
The USA has quite an effect on the UK one way or another, USA is thought of as the leader of the free world none of the other countries you mention, come anywhere close.
So the ideology of the USA has far more significance in the uk than say China, Saudi Arabia or Russia.
the USA tends to be a leader in lots of things and very often it filters through to the uk, sooner or later.
They are influential, and often we tend to follow.
Therefore we tend to be concerned if we see developments we don't like, after all if Donald Trump starts some war, the chances are the uk will get dragged into it.
Just seen a news report on the BBC where a BBC reporter asked him some questions and his response was about it damaging the special relationship between us.
He is unable to take any criticism, and he's vindictive, and frankly doesn't seem to have much sense.
I have heard people say, not being a politician, he is refreshingly honest giving it as he sees it.
He's too much of a dictator for my liking.
Probably because he is used to business where you do what the boss says, or you are out.
He gives me the heebi jeebies.
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Its amazing the extent to which people the world over see themselves in one way or the other, as dependent on the US. And also the extent to which most people expect the US to conform to their specific requirements and aspirations. Its almost as if the US is not a sovereign state but some common playground that has suddenly been closed to the public.
Other countries like China, Russia, Saudi Arabia are also large economies that trade and interact with other countries, but no one takes these countries for granted or expects their internal policies to fall in line with the aspirations of people the world over.
The whole world is our playground and no-one is going to want another bully and his gang carve off another massive area for use as their own fiefdom.
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Even the President of the USA is bound by the law, apparently.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38868571
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Even the President of the USA is bound by the law, apparently.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38868571
Sounds like he's not going down without a fight though.
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Even with his order in force there was a lot of confusion, including British citizens with valid documentation being refused boarding because of racial/ethnic profiling and such. Different airlines applying different rules. Who knows what was happening on entry after landing - which has always been inconsistent anyway?
As Trump causes chaos, through incompetence, he will turn to to more and more authoritarian measures to enforce his failing plans.
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I suspect that one reason Trump didn't go for a total Muslim ban, was that it could have unforeseen consequences in terms of the economy and of course political relations. He has picked 7 relatively poor countries, but if he had included the Saudis, Egypt, Turkey, and Indonesia, who knows what would ensue? All kinds of retaliations, sanctions, trade war? He has enough rationality to realize this (well, I am guessing really).
He didn't go for a total Muslim ban because that would have been illegal under the US cinstitution. He's given his ban the illusion that it wasn't about religion.
P.S.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38872680
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I am glad the US federal court has rejected Trump's demand to have the travel ban reinstated.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38872328
'agreed - just a small silver lining of common sense.
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Even with his order in force there was a lot of confusion, including British citizens with valid documentation being refused boarding because of racial/ethnic profiling and such. Different airlines applying different rules. Who knows what was happening on entry after landing - which has always been inconsistent anyway?
As Trump causes chaos, through incompetence, he will turn to to more and more authoritarian measures to enforce his failing plans.
He can try but as we have seen there are checks and balances which restrict the scope of the President.
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Dear Sane,
http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/88778653/scathing-donald-trump-poem-wins-new-zealand-competition
Brilliant, am I right in thinking it is very Burns like?
Gonnagle.
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The Speaker of the House of Commons doesn't want Trump to address Parliament, and who can blame him!
John Bercow has given a very measured statement to the House. It is now up to MPs to heed his words.
I suspect that Mrs May wants to be seen as being "in control" of events and is pushing for activity which will make her seem to be decisive and purposeful (hence Article 50 by the end of March etc). I think that she went to Washington far too soon and suggested too much far too soon.
Mr Trump promised to uphold the Constitution of the USA a couple of weeks ago. The Constitution is now being used to temper his excesses. Let's wait until we have an idea of just how competent a president - and a politician - he really is before pretending he is someone worth respecting.
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Re: Nordstroms.
The power of the American presidency turned against a retailer for declining to enrich one of the president’s daughters (Ivanka)
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https://mobile.twitter.com/RejectTrump/status/829356948176842752/photo/1
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I suppose that in such a litigious culture as that of the USA, that Nordstroms might consider taking some action.
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This is the view of one of his top advisors ...... http://tinyurl.com/ha5omub
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http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/08/europe/europe-donald-trump-travel-ban/index.html
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'Our people first:' Trump's travel ban finds fans in Europe.
Many in Britain have condemned Trump's ban, which prompted protests across the country, but Nigel Farage -- the leader of the UK Independence Party and a leading figure in the Brexit campaign -- has welcomed the order.
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http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/08/europe/europe-donald-trump-travel-ban/index.html
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'Our people first:' Trump's travel ban finds fans in Europe.
Many in Britain have condemned Trump's ban, which prompted protests across the country, but Nigel Farage -- the leader of the UK Independence Party and a leading figure in the Brexit campaign -- has welcomed the order.
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In other news ursine faecal matter found in sylvan environment
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Many in Britain have condemned Trump's ban, which prompted protests across the country, but Nigel Farage -- the leader of the UK Independence Party and a leading figure in the Brexit campaign -- has welcomed the order.
CNN need to do their homework: Farage isn't actually the leader of the Very Nasty Party (aka UKIP) any more.
Does remind me though (can't think why) of when the BBC's Norman Smith called Farage's UKIP a "personality cunt"...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt_qCVlYV94
How we laughed!
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Ekim
Thank you for that article. I recall that one Karl Marx believed that "history" was subject to "laws" as though it were a science. I assume that Mr Trump, having appointed Steve Bannon supports these views - his rejection of the scientific evidence for man-made global warming does not suggest an entirely rational approach to theoretical information.
Perhaps he will declare a nuclear war and make immediate pre-emptive strikes on his supposed enemies in his assumed role as the Grey Champion.
Be prepared for all good Tory MPs to support the Grey Champion.
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http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/08/europe/europe-donald-trump-travel-ban/index.html
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'Our people first:' Trump's travel ban finds fans in Europe.
Many in Britain have condemned Trump's ban, which prompted protests across the country, but Nigel Farage -- the leader of the UK Independence Party and a leading figure in the Brexit campaign -- has welcomed the order.
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The real problem here isn't necessarily the 'ban', as it could be technically shown to be prudent, but the cack handed way in which it was done which would disgrace and shame even the fumbling's of a sixth form student. The guys an incompetent idiot.
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In other news ursine faecal matter found in sylvan environment
Where have you been digging, NS? ???
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TRUMP If the Country do not get behind their president they leave themselves wide open to the worse attacks and failures in their countries history.
NO ONE and I mean NO ONE here, has the information required to make an informed decision as to why America wanted Trump. Make no mistake, the Countries People voted this man into power. If that Country divides it will fall. Whatever disagreements they need to let Trump do what the people voted him to do.
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TRUMP If the Country do not get behind their president they leave themselves wide open to the worse attacks and failures in their countries history.
NO ONE and I mean NO ONE here, has the information required to make an informed decision as to why America wanted Trump.
We know that they didn't want Trump. Clinton won the popular vote by 3 million
If that Country divides it will fall. Whatever disagreements they need to let Trump do what the people voted him to do.
So far he's filled most of the executive posts with people who do not know what they are doing. He's caused diplomatic incidents with five countries, including a threat to invade Mexico. He instituted a badly thought out travel ban which has caused chaos. He's dismantled the ACA which will leave millions without healthcare cover. He's going to dismantle the EPA because who needs clean drinking water? He's been caught lying several times including claiming violent crime is at a 47 year high and that the media do not report terrorist incidents. He's using the office of the president to influence business decisions relating to his daughter.
Sorry Sassy but only a fucking idiot would cut Trump any slack at this time.
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Trump's EU ambassador - head of a non existent body
http://www.scotsman.com/news/trump-s-eu-ambassador-pick-was-head-of-non-existent-scots-body-1-4362740
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Trump's EU ambassador - head of a non existent body
http://www.scotsman.com/news/trump-s-eu-ambassador-pick-was-head-of-non-existent-scots-body-1-4362740
So they are going to send a congenital liar to be EU ambassador. Why am I not surprised.
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Just incredible
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38925753
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'I am the evidence' - some Scottish comments on Trump - NSFW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pbTmXsfiYk
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TRUMP If the Country do not get behind their president they leave themselves wide open to the worse attacks and failures in their countries history.
NO ONE and I mean NO ONE here, has the information required to make an informed decision as to why America wanted Trump. Make no mistake, the Countries People voted this man into power. If that Country divides it will fall. Whatever disagreements they need to let Trump do what the people voted him to do.
OMG that would probably lead to WW3 the man is insane! >:(
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'I am the evidence' - some Scottish comments on Trump - NSFW
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;D ;D ;D
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Just incredible
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38925753
You have to laugh at the stupidity of it all. This is more like playground antics than top leaders of the world.
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TRUMP If the Country do not get behind their president they leave themselves wide open to the worse attacks and failures in their countries history.
Why on earth should they get behind Trump when 3 million more of them voted for the other candidate.
Sure he won the election via the electoral college rules, but he lacks legitimacy. That coupled with his appalling views and clear inability to understand the office he now holds mean that it is quite right that people in the USA aren't behind him - indeed he should be treated with derision as he is rapidly bring the office he holds (arguably the most important on the planet) into disrepute.
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TRUMP If the Country do not get behind their president they leave themselves wide open to the worse attacks and failures in their countries history.
NO ONE and I mean NO ONE here, has the information required to make an informed decision as to why America wanted Trump. Make no mistake, the Countries People voted this man into power. If that Country divides it will fall. Whatever disagreements they need to let Trump do what the people voted him to do.
I would say it is already divided just that the full implications of this have not been made manifest yet.
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Make no mistake, the Countries People voted this man into power.
No they didn't - the electoral college did.
The Countries [sic] people actually voted as follows:
Hilary Clinton - 65,853,625
Donald Trump - 62,985,106
I make that that the Country's people voted for Clinton, not Trump.
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We know that they didn't want Trump. Clinton won the popular vote by 3 million
TRUMP won this election he is president of the united states of America.
So far he's filled most of the executive posts with people who do not know what they are doing.
Your opinion does not mean anything in the great scheme of things. What is it they don't know what they are doing? You should not repeat things which you cannot prove or even give a satisfactory answer to. They are in and they know what needs to be done.
He's caused diplomatic incidents with five countries, including a threat to invade Mexico. He instituted a badly thought out travel ban which has caused chaos.
Diplomatic incidents with five countries. You mean he scared the crap out of those countries? As for invading Mexico the idea is to keep drugs out of America as well as the bad element of Mexican criminals. The travel ban was about the safety of the American people. From Terrorism which those countries supported one way or another. As President of the USA it is constitutional for him to do things which protect the people he represents.
He's dismantled the ACA which will leave millions without healthcare cover.
Is he not providing a better replacement?
He's going to dismantle the EPA because who needs clean drinking water?
Enviromental protection agency??? You really believe he is going to get rid of clean water?
He's been caught lying several times including claiming violent crime is at a 47 year high and that the media do not report terrorist incidents.
The Media not reporting it, doesn't mean it isn't happening.
Do you have point? Not caught lying it requires proof. Surely the President of the USA KNOWS more about his own Country than you do?
He's using the office of the president to influence business decisions relating to his daughter.
Don't make me laugh. A store cancelled his daughters collection. Surely you don't cause that influencing his daughters business... :o
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So most the USA people are idiots and you a British Citizen have the right to tell the American people they are idiots when it is their Country and their President?
I disagree on what you say constitutes an idiot.
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Why on earth should they get behind Trump when 3 million more of them voted for the other candidate.
Sure he won the election via the electoral college rules, but he lacks legitimacy. That coupled with his appalling views and clear inability to understand the office he now holds mean that it is quite right that people in the USA aren't behind him - indeed he should be treated with derision as he is rapidly bring the office he holds (arguably the most important on the planet) into disrepute.
Having watched the news on completely different news channels it has been proved there was no cheating in the votes. Need to move on and see no rigged elections.
The crowds were actually paid well before the results of the elections. How do I know. I watch the news channels from America and those which show that this was the very party Clinton lead who is behind all this trouble. You can hold on to your unrealistic information but it does you no good as the world and America know Trump did nothing wrong. It is Clintons party causing this trouble. SORE LOSERS.
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I would say it is already divided just that the full implications of this have not been made manifest yet.
It isn't fully divided... It is the Clinton fall out that is really making things worse for themselves and stopping any future chance of a woman getting into power.
Just stupidity for a few like here with the Brexit who cannot accept a democratic vote that does not their way.
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No they didn't - the electoral college did.
The Countries [sic] people actually voted as follows:
Hilary Clinton - 65,853,625
Donald Trump - 62,985,106
I make that that the Country's people voted for Clinton, not Trump.
He won 276 he needed only 270 to win. But you deliberately misrepresent what does not count when it comes to a presidential election. Why is that?
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He won 276 he needed only 270 to win. But you deliberately misrepresent what does not count when it comes to a presidential election. Why is that?
You didn't say that the electoral college voted this man into power, you said that the Countries People voted this man into power.
The former is correct - the latter isn't because clearly, by a margin of 3 million votes the the Country's People voted voted for Clinton.
I fully accept that under the rules of the election he won, however it isn't correct to imply that he won the popular vote - he didn't, by a considerable margin.
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Just stupidity for a few like here with the Brexit who cannot accept a democratic vote that does not their way.
But you can't have it both ways:
The Breixt vote provided a 4% winning margin in the popular vote for leave, the US presidential election provided a 4% margin in the popular vote for Clinton.
So equating the two is deeply muddled thinking.
But there is a further point - that in a democratic society you are required to roll over if a vote goes against you, simply shut up and stop opposing. Quite the reverse, it is perfectly acceptable in a democratic society to continue to disagree with the policies of the winner even after then won. That was most oppositions do, and in a proper democratic system they will get an opportunity, un due course to overturn that result if they win the argument. So in the US presidential election that opportunity will come in 2020, in the case of Brexit it will come in ... err - hmm.
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A look at the under reporting of terrorism.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/07/white-house-list-donald-trumps-undereported-terror-list-paris-attacks-berlin-truck-killings
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Having watched the news on completely different news channels it has been proved there was no cheating in the votes. Need to move on and see no rigged elections.
Where did I ever say there was cheating in the vote - I didn't.
What I said was that Trump lost the popular vote by a significant margin, and that although under the electoral college rules he won, he will aways have a problem justifying his mandate. And in that respect he will be like all other Presidents who won the election but lost the popular vote. But he stands out because his losing margin in the popular vote is unprecedented for a winning president.
The crowds were actually paid well before the results of the elections.
What are you on about - what crowds? paid what?, by whom?
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You should not repeat things which you cannot prove or even give a satisfactory answer to.
This is excellent advice, Sassy. You should be congratulated for stating it.
Now, why don't you follow it yourself and stop making yourself appear to be foolish?
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On Radio 4 yesterday can't remember which programme - apparently the Trump tweet about the danger to America was written entirely in capital letters.
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On Radio 4 yesterday can't remember which programme - apparently the Trump tweet about the danger to America was written entirely in capital letters.
Has he been taking lessons from Sassy?
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It isn't fully divided... It is the Clinton fall out that is really making things worse for themselves and stopping any future chance of a woman getting into power.
Just stupidity for a few like here with the Brexit who cannot accept a democratic vote that does not their way.
Don't understand your reference to women being in power, I was talking on general terms.
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But you can't have it both ways:
The Breixt vote provided a 4% winning margin in the popular vote for leave, the US presidential election provided a 4% margin in the popular vote for Clinton.
So equating the two is deeply muddled thinking.
But there is a further point - that in a democratic society you are required to roll over if a vote goes against you, simply shut up and stop opposing. Quite the reverse, it is perfectly acceptable in a democratic society to continue to disagree with the policies of the winner even after then won. That was most oppositions do, and in a proper democratic system they will get an opportunity, un due course to overturn that result if they win the argument. So in the US presidential election that opportunity will come in 2020, in the case of Brexit it will come in ... err - hmm.
Given the loathing of Trump in America and the fact of the popular vote outcome there this could harbinger some very interesting future events, especially as the people are vey willing to go out and protest, and that the other US institutions are willing to use all their means to challenge this guy.
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Emo Trump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CopDK_jI6DI
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You didn't say that the electoral college voted this man into power, you said that the Countries People voted this man into power.
The former is correct - the latter isn't because clearly, by a margin of 3 million votes the the Country's People voted voted for Clinton.
I fully accept that under the rules of the election he won, however it isn't correct to imply that he won the popular vote - he didn't, by a considerable margin.
Who voted for the 276? What made his victory sure was what the USA had allowed and could easily have been Hilary. It isn't the total number of votes but the fact the way they calculate and the individual rules which got him into power. He was still voted in by the voting system whichever way you look at it. And a free hundred people paid to protest is hardly ACCEPTABLE by any standard. To win by fair means is acceptable to try and prevent it by foul means is not acceptable.
How many people in the USA? 2016 324,118,787 How many votes actually cast? How many homeless people and others who did not get a vote because they had no home? You see the reality is that not all the people voted and some who would have voted could not and others were illegal or legal aliens and could not vote. You see whatever the total number of voted TRUMP still won by the means allowed so all this arguing about actual votes is useless.
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But you can't have it both ways:
The Breixt vote provided a 4% winning margin in the popular vote for leave, the US presidential election provided a 4% margin in the popular vote for Clinton.
Silly and not productive to use two different systems and try and compare them.
In both cases Clinton lost, Trump won. In Brexit the exits won.
You know that you cannot twist what is accepted as the way in both countries for a win.
So equating the two is deeply muddled thinking.
But you were equating the two not I. Trump won the American way. The Brexit votes won the UK way.
So no point on those moaning about it, is there?
But there is a further point - that in a democratic society you are required to roll over if a vote goes against you, simply shut up and stop opposing. Quite the reverse, it is perfectly acceptable in a democratic society to continue to disagree with the policies of the winner even after then won. That was most oppositions do, and in a proper democratic system they will get an opportunity, un due course to overturn that result if they win the argument. So in the US presidential election that opportunity will come in 2020, in the case of Brexit it will come in ... err - hmm.
It will come when they have exhausted all channels of trying to stop it. Because any system which does not allow the outcome falls into chaos.
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Sassy.
Why I should bother replying to your ill-informed and confused posts I do not really know. It is clear that you have little understanding of the American electoral system nor of the political objectives of Donald Trump nor of the philosophies of the dominant political parties.
Take the electoral system: the Electoral College is broken, it does not reflect the national population. It gives the voters in small states greater power than those in large states. In Wyoming each Electoral College vote required 81,000 votes, in California each EC vote required 254,000. So an individual vote in Wyoming was about three times as effective as a vote in California.
Your post is full of bleeding heart rubbish about the poor and homeless. The Democrats have a consistently more favourable attitude towards welfare and the well-being of less-well-off Americans than the Republicans. One of Trump's main promises was to abolish "Obamacare". In the USA health care is a private enterprise activity. The largest single cause of bankruptcy is the cost of health care. The Obama plan was to put a small levy on health insurance premiums so that a surplus of funds would be available to provide health care for those who could not afford health insurance. The potentially benefited millions of poorer Americans.
Trump's argument was that middle class people who were relatively well-off should not be supporting poorer people who could not afford the premiums. The poor and homeless should not be subsidised by better-off people. If they could not afford the premiums it was their own fault. The Trump approach abandons the poor and homeless. You appear to approve of this.
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Lock him up?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38965557
Well he certainly thinks so
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFBAjhxjQ90
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Because any system which does not allow the outcome falls into chaos.
Any system which fails to allow those who have lost an election to continue to campaign for their beliefs quickly descends into authoritarianism and rapidly fails to be democratic.
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Any system which fails to allow those who have lost an election to continue to campaign for their beliefs quickly descends into authoritarianism and rapidly fails to be democratic.
But it is sad that many of them turnout to be sore losers and whingers!!!
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Sassy.
Why I should bother replying to your ill-informed and confused posts I do not really know. It is clear that you have little understanding of the American electoral system nor of the political objectives of Donald Trump nor of the philosophies of the dominant political parties.
Ill-informed??? Confused? Surely you realise your reply is based on your opinions of Trump and nothing to do any factual evidence?
Take the electoral system: the Electoral College is broken, it does not reflect the national population. It gives the voters in small states greater power than those in large states. In Wyoming each Electoral College vote required 81,000 votes, in California each EC vote required 254,000. So an individual vote in Wyoming was about three times as effective as a vote in California.
So are you saying the Electoral College did not vote Trump in? What are you saying because the above does NOT make Trump being president null or void. DO you really have a point?
Your post is full of bleeding heart rubbish about the poor and homeless.
So you believe children being homeless is a bleeding heart rubbish? What is it, does the truth hurt you that you would deride such heartless truths?
The Democrats have a consistently more favourable attitude towards welfare and the well-being of less-well-off Americans than the Republicans. One of Trump's main promises was to abolish "Obamacare".
The health care payments went up by 300% making any care unaffordable for most people under Obama. Had you been following you would know Christians set up a way of everyone paying what they can afford and all chipping the money to make care affordable for others as they required it. Mind you this is the Americans tell us this. Do you live in America or pay for health care?
In the USA health care is a private enterprise activity.
I am well aware of the above as my last post shows. I also know how the health care have soared in America.
Like I know they wanted to implement such things here. And no payment no treatment.
The largest single cause of bankruptcy is the cost of health care. The Obama plan was to put a small levy on health insurance premiums so that a surplus of funds would be available to provide health care for those who could not afford health insurance. The potentially benefited millions of poorer Americans.
Instead it went up 300% so a family paying $500 per month were suddenly asked for $1500 per month. You seem to think you are on top of the reality but clearly you are not.
Trump's argument was that middle class people who were relatively well-off should not be supporting poorer people who could not afford the premiums. The poor and homeless should not be subsidised by better-off people. If they could not afford the premiums it was their own fault. The Trump approach abandons the poor and homeless. You appear to approve of this.
It wasn't just the poorer people who could not afford medical costs the truth was even those you thought middle class could not afford it either. But new ideas came in which made it affordable through Christians. But Obama didn't make anything better as far as health care he made it worse.
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Any system which fails to allow those who have lost an election to continue to campaign for their beliefs quickly descends into authoritarianism and rapidly fails to be democratic.
Anyone who goes against the democratic vote has no right to campaign anything. Sore losers are not excusable for their bad behaviour.
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Anyone who goes against the democratic vote has no right to campaign anything. Sore losers are not excusable for their bad behaviour.
Sooo how do think MPs should have voted in the Commons Brexit vote last week:
1. With their own conciences?
2. As the majority in their constituency voted?
3. Pro-Brexit as that's what the majority voted for?
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But new ideas came in which made it affordable through Christians.
Really?
Christians cut the cost of healthcare?
Roll up roll up get your jar of Dr. Truth's medicine here?
Encourages not only fake news but completely made up stories - in five volumes with gold-edged pages, especially embossed with "Christ can save you money - pay your deposit now."
I'm reminded of lyrics from an old song, Sassy are you Sister Fatima?
I'm a servant of fate in this garden of truth,
A humble recruit of the taffeta booth
Where all things are known, but few are revealed.
Where sins are forgotten, and sickness is healed,
For five dollars.
The flower is free.
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Take the electoral system: the Electoral College is broken, it does not reflect the national population. It gives the voters in small states greater power than those in large states. In Wyoming each Electoral College vote required 81,000 votes, in California each EC vote required 254,000. So an individual vote in Wyoming was about three times as effective as a vote in California.
The US is a federation which is why they have the electoral college system, so that small states can still have a voice unlike, say, the EU where small countries have to just have to go along with what the big countries want even when it's against their own interests.
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The US is a federation which is why they have the electoral college system, so that small states can still have a voice unlike, say, the EU where small countries have to just have to go along with what the big countries want even when it's against their own interests.
So you approve of a system where a person's vote in one state carries 3 times as much weight as a persons vote in another state?
Wow. Just wow.
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So you approve of a system where a person's vote in one state carries 3 times as much weight as a persons vote in another state?
Wow. Just wow.
Just to note that the system for MEPs is similar
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apportionment_in_the_European_Parliament
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And I don't recall being asked to choose between Junker and someone else.
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So you approve of a system where a person's vote in one state carries 3 times as much weight as a persons vote in another state?
Wow. Just wow.
Yes, I approve because it's fair.
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Yes, I approve because it's fair.
In what way is it fair that certain individual votes are worth far more than others in determining the outcome of an election?
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In what way is it fair that certain individual votes are worth far more than others in determining the outcome of an election?
The electoral college system gives each state an equal voice. That's why it's fair.
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The electoral college system gives each state an equal voice. That's why it's fair.
No, it doesn't, since that would mean the same number of votes.
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No, it doesn't, since that would mean the same number of votes.
Eh?
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Eh?
In the electoral college. It doesn't. States are neither treated as equal in terms of electoral college votes, nor in the worth of individual voters.
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And I don't recall being asked to choose between Junker and someone else.
In the EU you don't count, you're lower than a pawn. They treat their dogs better than they would treat you.
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In the EU you don't count, you're lower than a pawn. They treat their dogs better than they would treat you.
Yeah really hard bastards what with their lower mobile phone charges and clean beaches.
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Yeah really hard bastards what with their lower mobile phone charges and clean beaches.
Ask the Greeks about how lovely the EU and Troika are, and the way they have trashed Greece - some are in such despair they are committing suicide. They have a debt to GDP of about 280%. The accepted critical point for this is 90% yet the EU/ECB want to pile more debt on the Greeks so they can bailout the banks, saving those cunts from having to take responsibility for their immoral and criminal activities in their derivatives and the like. The last Greek bailout of about €65 billion went straight onto the Greek books and straight out again to the banks. Not a penny went to the Greeks. All in name of the political project of the EU - an action that would have been perfectly congruous with the processes of the USSR.
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Sooo how do think MPs should have voted in the Commons Brexit vote last week:
1. With their own conciences?
2. As the majority in their constituency voted?
3. Pro-Brexit as that's what the majority voted for?
Brexit has already been decided by the peoples vote.
So any MP representing the Countries system should have photed for the Brexit.
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Really?
Christians cut the cost of healthcare?
Roll up roll up get your jar of Dr. Truth's medicine here?
Encourages not only fake news but completely made up stories - in five volumes with gold-edged pages, especially embossed with "Christ can save you money - pay your deposit now."
I'm reminded of lyrics from an old song, Sassy are you Sister Fatima?
You need to do your homework before you make uninformed opinions public.
https://www.chministries.org
Seems you just don't like the truth.... dislike it so much you make false accusations.
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You need to do your homework before you make uninformed opinions public.
https://www.chministries.org
Seems you just don't like the truth.... dislike it so much you make false accusations.
Hmm - seems a touch derivation, from a far better and universal scheme - it is called the tax and welfare system. Guess what civilised social democratic countries have been doing for decades. And those countries that seem to have it nailed best are the Scandinavian countries, which are characterised by being routinely ranked the best for quality of life and also have some of the highest proportions of atheists and non religious by choice on the planet.
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Trump says that Russia and the US are major nuclear powers and should be friends. Makes perfect sense to me.
US people (the west in general) have been paranoid about Russia for decades just because they don't believe in a capitalistic model. I think it is time to end that paranoia and become friends.
Trump is not all bad it seems. He thinks like a common man...which could have its pluses.
Most professional politicians get trained to watch their backs all the time. Trump seems to be different! He thinks laterally. Not bad!
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Brexit has already been decided by the peoples vote.
So any MP representing the Countries system should have photed for the Brexit.
This shows ignorance of the system of parliamentary democracy in this country.
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Trump's mental health debate
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38991171
Seems that some professionals are openly questioning his mental health. Some suggesting that he has Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
Others disagree...
Dr Allen Frances, who helped write the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders IV, one of the main key manuals used to classify mental disorders, said that "most amateur diagnosticians have mislabelled" Mr Trump with the diagnosis of "narcissistic personality disorder".
"He may be a world-class narcissist, but this doesn't make him mentally ill, because he does not suffer from the distress and impairment required to diagnose mental disorder."
He added: "Mr Trump causes severe distress rather than experiencing it and has been richly rewarded, rather than punished, for his grandiosity, self-absorption and lack of empathy.
"It is a stigmatising insult to the mentally ill (who are mostly well behaved and well meaning) to be lumped with Mr Trump (who is neither).
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This shows ignorance of the system of parliamentary democracy in this country.
Indeed it does.
And I think I am correct in saying that 649 out of the 650 MPs were voted in in the 2015 General Election representing parties whose manifesto commitment was to remain in the EU.
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Trump's mental health debate
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38991171
Seems that some professionals are openly questioning his mental health. Some suggesting that he has Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
Others disagree...
Dr Allen Frances, who helped write the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders IV, one of the main key manuals used to classify mental disorders, said that "most amateur diagnosticians have mislabelled" Mr Trump with the diagnosis of "narcissistic personality disorder".
"He may be a world-class narcissist, but this doesn't make him mentally ill, because he does not suffer from the distress and impairment required to diagnose mental disorder."
He added: "Mr Trump causes severe distress rather than experiencing it and has been richly rewarded, rather than punished, for his grandiosity, self-absorption and lack of empathy.
"It is a stigmatising insult to the mentally ill (who are mostly well behaved and well meaning) to be lumped with Mr Trump (who is neither).
If Trump had been mentally ill the professionals in his life would have noticed it long before today.
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That sounds mighty dodgy to me. :o
Does indeed - from what I can see this scheme only supports people in need ... if they are Christians - how very charitable ... NOT.
So it is kind of 'from each according to their ability to pay, to each according to their need (provided they are Christians, and if not we don't give a damn)'.
I rather prefer our tax and welfare system which provides according to need irrespective of religion or lack thereof. Far more ethical.
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So would any decent person, imo.
Agreed.
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Indeed it does.
And I think I am correct in saying that 649 out of the 650 MPs were voted in in the 2015 General Election representing parties whose manifesto commitment was to remain in the EU.
Besides the point. Parliament voted for the referendum.
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Besides the point. Parliament voted for the referendum.
Not decide the point at all - and don't forget that parliament voted for an advisory referendum - they could have voted for a binding one, but they didn't.
MPs gain their authority from the personal vote they receive in their constituencies and the party manifesto they stood on in that election, which (as I've pointed out) in 649 out of 650 cases involved remaining in the EU.
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Not decide the point at all - and don't forget that parliament voted for an advisory referendum - they could have voted for a binding one, but they didn't.
MPs gain their authority from the personal vote they receive in their constituencies and the party manifesto they stood on in that election, which (as I've pointed out) in 649 out of 650 cases involved remaining in the EU.
So are you telling me that every voter reads all the manifestos, cogitating on every point presented therein, and decides on how to vote? What do they do if they only agree with some of the issues in each of the manifestos? Oh yes, that right, they weigh up the pros and cons and vote for the best fit - if they actually read them. So your claim above is bollocks.....and, oh yes, we had a referendum specifically on this point about Brexit which clarified the matter.
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Trump lies and is caught out and lies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhZhxgz5yJU
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Stephen Colbert"s take on the press conference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8BXFfZCWEA
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So are you telling me that every voter reads all the manifestos, cogitating on every point presented therein, and decides on how to vote? What do they do if they only agree with some of the issues in each of the manifestos? Oh yes, that right, they weigh up the pros and cons and vote for the best fit - if they actually read them. So your claim above is bollocks.....and, oh yes, we had a referendum specifically on this point about Brexit which clarified the matter.
Where did I ever say that every voter read every word of each manifesto. I didn't. What I said is that 'MPs gain their authority from the personal vote they receive in their constituencies and the party manifesto they stood on in that election' - and that is true, and it doesn't matter whether or not the voters have actually read the manifesto, MPs gain their authority from being elected as the candidate of a party and on a platform (i.e. the manifesto of that party).
And while we are on the topic do you think that the voters in the referendum read everything provided from each side or do you think in many cases it was just a 'gut feeling' or a hunch, or believing what it said on the side of a bus.
And the referendum hasn't clarified the matter - if it had there wouldn't be any debate about the type of Brexit. The referendum has clarified nothing and created more uncertainty and lack of clarity than we have seen in this country for decades.
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John Oliver on Trump and the truth: 'a pathological liar'
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2017/feb/13/john-oliver-trump-relationship-truth-last-week-tonight
The full video (second one on the page) is well worth a watch.
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Where did I ever say that every voter read every word of each manifesto. I didn't. What I said is that 'MPs gain their authority from the personal vote they receive in their constituencies and the party manifesto they stood on in that election' - and that is true, and it doesn't matter whether or not the voters have actually read the manifesto, MPs gain their authority from being elected as the candidate of a party and on a platform (i.e. the manifesto of that party).
And while we are on the topic do you think that the voters in the referendum read everything provided from each side or do you think in many cases it was just a 'gut feeling' or a hunch, or believing what it said on the side of a bus.
And the referendum hasn't clarified the matter - if it had there wouldn't be any debate about the type of Brexit. The referendum has clarified nothing and created more uncertainty and lack of clarity than we have seen in this country for decades.
What the voters read or did not read in any vote is besides the point. The general elections and referendum were done on the same available information basis. So the referendum trumps the 2015 election on this matter of Brexit, as it came later.
There is only debate on this because the whinging Remoaner are too spinless to accept the result, that's all. The type of Brexit was clear at the referendum. Control back to the UK, which means, besides other things, no membership of the Single market and out of the Tariff Union.
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That was not clear at all, even if it is a good idea, which I doubt. Many people only heard the unpleasant siren voices which suggested voting out would stop migrants coming to the UK.
And don't forget the £350 million for the NHS. Which is currently undergoing it's worst financial crisis. Ever.
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A politician being economic with the truth - that must be a first.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/historian-says-donald-trumps-presidency-likely-to-be-second-shortest-in-history-a7583181.html
http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/165201
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Fisrt it was Bowling Green, now, er, somewhere in Sweden...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-last-night-in-sweden-terror-attack-melbourne-florida-campaign-rally-a7588021.html
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I hope that becomes a fact.
Yeah. President Pence isn't a great option but at least he's reasonably stable.
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Fisrt it was Bowling Green, now, er, somewhere in Sweden...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-last-night-in-sweden-terror-attack-melbourne-florida-campaign-rally-a7588021.html
I think in the case of Trump we need to learn a new way of parsing. The link below covers what he might have been saying.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/19/trump-refers-non-existent-refugee-incident-sweden-rally/
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That was not clear at all, even if it is a good idea, which I doubt. Many people only heard the unpleasant siren voices which suggested voting out would stop migrants coming to the UK.
The difference between what they heard and what they had access to, on the TV etc., is besides the point, the argument put forward by the leave campaign was what was on offer if we voted to leave. Therefore, that was and is the mandate for our leaving.
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And don't forget the £350 million for the NHS. Which is currently undergoing it's worst financial crisis. Ever.
We haven't left yet and are still paying into that shit hole the EU.
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I forgot that promise 'Farage' made in jest! ::)
Your memory is as crap as your arguments. Farage and UKIP never made it, it was the official leave group that made that promise.
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I heard Farage promise it, and then backtrack on that promise.
Yeah right, you're so good at that gossip, Floo!!!
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Yeah right, you're so good at that gossip, Floo!!!
is that like Farage lying about family support groups for Hillsborough banning Paul lying Nuttall?
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I heard Farage promise it, and then backtrack on that promise.
when? You need a citation for that.
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when? You need a citation for that.
NS, you've lost it. You are asking Floo for a citation, she probably doesn't even know what the word means!!!
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is that like Farage lying about family support groups for Hillsborough banning Paul lying Nuttall?
More gossip. As you asked Floo, that needs a citation.
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NS, you've lost it. You are asking Floo for a citation, she probably doesn't even know what the word means!!!
Yes , I am. I am pretty consistent on stuff like this. But you like Paul Nuttall's lies
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More gossip. As you asked Floo, that needs a citation.
All ready, provided on the thread on Paul Nuttall's lies.
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You poor darling, didn't Farage ask you into his inner circle? That must have hurt like crazy, especially as you are so supportive of him! ;D
any evidence that Farage said it!
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Well. at least the Donald has one country's leader backing him. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-39027611?ocid=socialflow_facebook&ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbcnews&ns_source=facebook So that's OK, then.
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Mike Pence and toilets
http://chaser.com.au/world/mike-pence-horrified-to-discover-unisex-toilet-in-own-house/
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39085235
I see Trump banned the BBC and CNN, amongst others, from a news briefing! :o
He takes everything so personally, it's probably because they don't create fake positive news about him like Fox News ( and we know the sort of news Fox News reports on " Birmingham their Experts" >:( and the BBC did ask those " awkward questions when Theresa May was there.
He's vindictive.
He's totally the wrong person for the leader of such a big powerful country.
I see he's stirring up bad feeling with the Mexicans again over the wall. I was reading this morning that much of the border in Texas is privately owned and some of them might fight it, as it would be on their land.
:o
I expect he'll just ignore them or make them out to be unpatriotic or something
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A bit more about it here.
Some people own land that is going to be divided by it, which is bad news for their livelihoods.
http://www.npr.org/2017/02/23/516895052/landowners-likely-to-bring-more-lawsuits-as-trump-moves-on-border-wall
Imagine accessing the rest of your land, if you have cattle 🐮
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Tweety McTangerine
Love it :D
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/27/donald-trump-border-wall-mexico
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My daughter and family were supposed to be going to Mexico in August with her in-laws, who were treating them. However, due to her father-in-law becoming very unwell, and her husband not too clever healthwise either, the trip has been called off. I can't say I am sorry, I wasn't keen on the idea of them going there after Trump and his wall nonsense.
Yes we were thinking of Mexico too, but we'll see how it goes.
I wanted to go to the USA too, sometime.
By the time I've saved up enough to go to the states and tour round the places I want to see, I expect Trump will be long gone.
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https://youtu.be/Tu1otiBLPko
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This belongs here, too.
Thus far, Mr Trump has failed to comment on the battle between Bible and Broomstick.
Witches cast 'mass spell' against Donald Trump
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39090334
TBH some of the Christian reactions of Trump supporters are more scary
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Following on from news that Trump's state visit might mostly take place in Scotland
http://newsthump.com/2017/03/02/donald-trumps-scottish-welcome-to-be-led-by-begbie/
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Probably Fake News but....
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/05/tony-blair-has-attended-secret-meeting-white-house-amid-claims/
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Bloody hell.
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Transcript of Trump's interview with Tucker Carlson covering amongst other things the wiretapping tweets.
'POLONIUS
What do you read, my lord?
HAMLET
Words, words, words.'
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/03/16/donald-trump-explained-twitter-the-universe-and-everything-to-tucker-carlson/?utm_term=.bfb577e9e36a
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Transcript of Trump's interview with Tucker Carlson covering amongst other things the wiretapping tweets.
'POLONIUS
What do you read, my lord?
HAMLET
Words, words, words.'
And why couldn't Theresa May have disengaged her hand and said " I took you for your better"?
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And why couldn't Theresa May have disengaged her hand and said " I took you for your better"?
After he had said 'Do you think I meant country matters?'?
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After he had said 'Do you think I meant country matters?'?
Mrs Merkel is in Washington now. Perhaps she will let him lie in her lap?
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Fox News and it's "so called " experts are lying again and Trump is believing every word of it.
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Trump distances White House from GCHQ wiretap claim
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39310075
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Ah yes, sure and begorrah, the shillelaghs are in Glocca Morra!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/17/trumps-irish-proverb-causes-derision-on-the-web
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President Trump is getting a hard time by the look of it
https://mic.com/articles/171457/ireland-s-prime-minister-roasted-donald-trump-while-standing-inches-away-from-him#.9BS8H36Xh
Donald Trumps face, doesn't look too happy. ( in the video)
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The supreme Randy Rainbow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub5GkBtIjhc
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Fox News and it's "so called " experts are lying again and Trump is believing every word of it.
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Trump distances White House from GCHQ wiretap claim
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39310075
Theresa May should be feeling very uncomfortable.
Not only has she invited a petulant child on a state visit with unseemly haste, said petulant child doesn't care who he alienates to justify his lies.
Since May thinks this is the man to save us after Brexit I hope she's bright enough to be worried
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Ah yes, sure and begorrah, the shillelaghs are in Glocca Morra!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/17/trumps-irish-proverb-causes-derision-on-the-web
To be fair, I don't think Trump ever said it was an Irish proverb.
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To be fair, I don't think Trump ever said it was an Irish proverb.
True though contextually implied. Mmm contextually? No, you are right he didn't say it.
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Collapse of the name Donald - as long as you ignore the very small numbers involved.
http://www.scotsman.com/news/trump-slump-sees-scots-parents-ditch-donald-name-1-4396871
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Seems it's going swimmingly for the Prez (not).
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39387550
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A lame duck Presidency in less than 100 days! Great news for Friday.
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If the report I heard is true, then someone ought to be investigating his intellectual fitness for office.
According to him, the failure for his proposal was due to insufficient Democrats supporting his proposal not too many Republicans not supporting his proposal. He blamed his failure on the opposition not changing its mind rather than an insufficient number of his own party members prepared to support him.
I suspect ... I hope ... that his inadequacies as a politician will sooner or later (preferably sooner) push him into resignation from his Office.
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I suspect ... I hope ... that his inadequacies as a politician will sooner or later (preferably sooner) push him into resignation from his Office.
Problem is that even were he to resign we wouldn't get an election, we'd get Pence as president for the rest of the 4 year term. And that wouldn't be good.
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Oh, I agree Pentz wouldn't be good, Prof - but at least he knows how the system works. Last night's farce shows a very much weakened presidency, and, whether we like it or not, that is never a good thing.
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If the report I heard is true, then someone ought to be investigating his intellectual fitness for office.
According to him, the failure for his proposal was due to insufficient Democrats supporting his proposal not too many Republicans not supporting his proposal. He blamed his failure on the opposition not changing its mind rather than an insufficient number of his own party members prepared to support him.
I suspect ... I hope ... that his inadequacies as a politician will sooner or later (preferably sooner) push him into resignation from his Office.
What makes you think that is a bad political move? Trump's supporters will lap this up. It's all the fault of the evil Democrats.
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Oh, I agree Pentz wouldn't be good, Prof - but at least he knows how the system works. Last night's farce shows a very much weakened presidency, and, whether we like it or not, that is never a good thing.
Yes but last night's debacle was good for Americans. If Pence was in charge, the bill might have gone through, in fact a more extreme bill might have gone through. A lot of the Republican dissenters were people who thought the new law didn't go far enough.
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Maybe they should be taking seriously the women who have complained about Trump's wandering hands. If they have substance, maybe it would be one way of getting him out of office, before more drastic measures are employed!
As has already been noted that just gets us President Pence
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As unpleasant as that would undoubtedly be, Pence appears to be sane, unlike Trump.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/shaenamontanari/2016/11/10/vp-elect-mike-pence-does-not-accept-evolution-heres-why-that-matters/#49f7abbb15a7
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As unpleasant as that would undoubtedly be, Pence appears to be sane, unlike Trump.
Which is a problem because his policies would likely be even worse than Trump's but he might be competent enough to get then through.
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Who says you can't have your own facts?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/28/arctic-researcher-donald-trump-deleting-my-citations
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Can it be?
Is Trump an illiterate constipated Pongo?
Comedian Samantha Bee created a great round-up of the evidence back in October citing his dislike of teleprompters, a clumsy deposition hearing and numerous telling quotes from his past.
Recently, former “SNL” star and Donald Trump impersonator Taran Killam has confirmed everyone’s worst suspicions about the commander-in-chief’s time on “Saturday Night Live”: Trump “struggled to read.”
“He struggled to read at the table read, which did not give many of us great confidence. Didn’t get the jokes, really. He’s just a man who seems to be powered by bluster.”
Great. Good job he doesn’t have many important intelligence decisions to make. Oh, wait...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LFkN7QGp2c
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Who says you can't have your own facts?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/28/arctic-researcher-donald-trump-deleting-my-citations
That's scary, he's putting businesses before our welfare, by hiding the evidence there is a problem.
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If the Pongo-Wotsit-Faced-Tango-Monster is illiterate... how the fuck does he know what he is signing?
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Turns out Trump is a low level hoodlum. He's going for extortion now.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39591989
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It is nothing new for people to choose to dislike or agree with a persons beliefs or what they represent.
What I find oddly amusing and even sometimes prejudicial is the way you believe the worst or the best of news about
a person based on your own personal 'like' or 'dislike' of the person.
Donald Trump could not have got where he is today if he did not have the intelligence and forethought of a good business
deal. He represented the thoughts of the majority of Americans and even when it added up he won.
It is a fact of life that people treat others how they think they deserve to be treated based on their own personal dislike or like
of the person.
How did Hitler come across with the promises of a better and stronger nation and future?
Do you think that if those people had seen the results in the years ahead, they would still have put him in power?
The prejudicial thinking of mankind is without doubt the reason so many evils happen in the world.
Why do many people are harmed or hurt by other humans.
I would ask all who posted to examine their own thinking. Where have you offended or hurt another person simply because
you did not like them or their beliefs?
President Trump whether illiterate or not still became a successful business man and billionaire and even President of the United States of America. For a man to achieve that if he was illiterate makes him one of the greatest presidents of America that has been. Because he showed he is capable of achieving great things even when lacking in the basic skills of mankind.
A man to be reckoned with, if it was true. But man does not look at personal achievement and exception they look to their own bias. And so no individual really recognised for their capabilities or exceptions. They are purely judged by the personal prejudice and dislike by other individuals towards them.
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Meh - Trump is a failed Businessman prone to multiple bankruptcies. In fact, he's not quite the self-made mogul he makes himself out to be.
For a start, he got considerable assistance in his business ventures thanks to his real-estate developer father; whose name helped open many doors for the young Trumpster when he began his career in real estate, after all his father was one of the richest individuals in America at the time with a net worth of roughly $200 million. (The equivalent of $1 billion today.)
His early success was ultimately depended on many important privileges that were obtained with his father's extensive support, including having a name that opened doors to banks and insurance companies and New York City Hall, Trump also benefited from financial assistance from daddy that was worth many times more than $1 million he claims he started out with.
In fact, he and his businesses have also enjoyed public help in the form of tax breaks, loans from his siblings, and protection from bankruptcy courts worth well in excess of $100 million.
So it was his father who made sure Donald got a big head start in life and really not anything to do with his so-called acumen!!
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Bad Eggs!
What ever money he used. His investments proved good.
He bought up all the old buildings and turned them into something new and made a lot of money doing so.
The fact his Father helped him up the ladder is neither here or there.He succeeded.
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Bad Eggs!
What ever money he used. His investments proved good.
He bought up all the old buildings and turned them into something new and made a lot of money doing so.
The fact his Father helped him up the ladder is neither here or there.He succeeded.
By riding roughshod over other people.
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It is nothing new for people to choose to dislike or agree with a persons beliefs or what they represent.
What I find oddly amusing and even sometimes prejudicial is the way you believe the worst or the best of news about
a person based on your own personal 'like' or 'dislike' of the person.
Donald Trump could not have got where he is today if he did not have the intelligence and forethought of a good business
deal. He represented the thoughts of the majority of Americans and even when it added up he won.
It is a fact of life that people treat others how they think they deserve to be treated based on their own personal dislike or like
of the person.
How did Hitler come across with the promises of a better and stronger nation and future?
Do you think that if those people had seen the results in the years ahead, they would still have put him in power?
The prejudicial thinking of mankind is without doubt the reason so many evils happen in the world.
Why do many people are harmed or hurt by other humans.
I would ask all who posted to examine their own thinking. Where have you offended or hurt another person simply because
you did not like them or their beliefs?
President Trump whether illiterate or not still became a successful business man and billionaire and even President of the United States of America. For a man to achieve that if he was illiterate makes him one of the greatest presidents of America that has been. Because he showed he is capable of achieving great things even when lacking in the basic skills of mankind.
A man to be reckoned with, if it was true. But man does not look at personal achievement and exception they look to their own bias. And so no individual really recognised for their capabilities or exceptions. They are purely judged by the personal prejudice and dislike by other individuals towards them.
He ripped people off Sassy, he succeeded in business because he's ruthless.
How much money a person manages to make, isn't a measure of them as a human being.
IMO how they made it, matters.
Donald Trump might be a success as far as material things go, but as someone I respect, he fails. I'm not that taken with " people with money" HOW they got it, is all important to me.
He fails because he doesn't know how to treat other people, especially people he considers beneath him. Vulnerable people.
You might admire someone because they have lots of money and see it as success, but I don't. Some people would sell their own grandmother to get it.
I look at how they treat people they consider beneath them, how well they keep their word if it isn't in their own best interest, their honesty, their personal integrity.
Donald Trump fails.
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By riding roughshod over other people.
Yes, I find it quite astonishing that a good Christian woman like Sassy would be endorsing the pussy handler.
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Sassy
I know that you are, at heart, a christian, but all too often your posts show a misunderstanding about the nature of behaviour expected of christians.
Perhaps if I said that Trump has made money a false god, and has coveted his neighbour's ass (and pussy) among other varieties of "shalt not"s, would that make it easier for you to understand the viewpoints of other posters?
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if I remember rightly Sass defended that pervert Saville. :o
Citation needed! That's quite a serious allegation, you need to be certain of what you are saying.I wonder ifyou misread one of her posts from way back.
Meh - Trump is a failed Businessman prone to multiple bankruptcies. In fact, he's not quite the self-made mogul he makes himself out to be.
For a start, he got considerable assistance in his business ventures thanks to his real-estate developer father; whose name helped open many doors for the young Trumpster when he began his career in real estate, after all his father was one of the richest individuals in America at the time with a net worth of roughly $200 million. (The equivalent of $1 billion today.)
His early success was ultimately depended on many important privileges that were obtained with his father's extensive support, including having a name that opened doors to banks and insurance companies and New York City Hall, Trump also benefited from financial assistance from daddy that was worth many times more than $1 million he claims he started out with.
In fact, he and his businesses have also enjoyed public help in the form of tax breaks, loans from his siblings, and protection from bankruptcy courts worth well in excess of $100 million.
So it was his father who made sure Donald got a big head start in life and really not anything to do with his so-called acumen!!
That is all true. In fact Trump is not known to be an especially clever businessman, he's lost money. It is merely the fact that he had a big head start that has ensured his success. I've no quarrel with anyone who has a fortune handed to them and then tries to make it work, fails, has another go, but Trump lacks humility.
Rose said - "He fails because he doesn't know how to treat other people, especially people he considers beneath him. Vulnerable people."
That is evident.
Trump is not stupid but he lacks the intellect necessary to be a politician. He just has a lot of front.
It's frightening that someone like himself is in charge over the pond.
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You haven't responded to the first part of my post floo.
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I know that floo but earlier you said ":-
"if I remember rightly Sass defended that pervert Saville. :o"
and in the post to which you responded to the last bit, I said :-
"Citation needed! That's quite a serious allegation, you need to be certain of what you are saying.I wonder ifyou misread one of her posts from way back."
I don't want to derail the thread or go on about this but if you make an accusation like that you do need to back it up or say you got it wrong & then we'll move on. So please respond.
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OK but I don't know why you said it off the top of your head, it was a vile accusation.
I won't say any more about it, back to Trump.
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if I remember rightly Sass defended that pervert Saville. :o
You remembered WRONG!
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Sassy
I know that you are, at heart, a christian, but all too often your posts show a misunderstanding about the nature of behaviour expected of christians.
Perhaps if I said that Trump has made money a false god, and has coveted his neighbour's ass (and pussy) among other varieties of "shalt not"s, would that make it easier for you to understand the viewpoints of other posters?
Trump took derelict buildings and built skyscrapers.The truth is that others just did not get in before he did.
AS FOR the rest of the down trodding.... Banks are just as much responsible
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Bad Eggs!
What ever money he used. His investments proved good.
He bought up all the old buildings and turned them into something new and made a lot of money doing so.
The fact his Father helped him up the ladder is neither here or there.He succeeded.
His businesses have gone bankrupt five times. He frequently strong arms subcontractors into accepting much lower fees than they contracted for. Trump is a vile businessman and a vile president.
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Apparently, when Trump met Angela Merkel on the subject of trade, she had to explain eleven times that it was not possible to trade direct with Germany, it had to be done through the EU. (I saw this subject on IS this morning.)
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His businesses have gone bankrupt five times. He frequently strong arms subcontractors into accepting much lower fees than they contracted for. Trump is a vile businessman and a vile president.
What is the difference between companies charging the public high costs and the businessman charging each other lower fees?
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As well as being a vile human being who likes to touch up women.
Is that slander? You need to be careful Floo,
We don't know because we never witnessed it.
Mud throwing is something the USA do very well.
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Is that slander? You need to be careful Floo,
We don't know because we never witnessed it.
Mud throwing is something the USA do very well.
We never witnessed the resurrction of Christ . . . but you KNOW thgat it happened . . .
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Sassy
You seem to have a great admiration for Donald Trump, why is this?
As far as his business methods are concerned, he ensured that risk was borne by people working for him and not by him. He ensured that he did not suffer at the expense of others: this was theft.
THOU SHALT NOT STEAL
Among other things, he tried to get Barack Obama unseated from the presidency by stating that he was not born an American citizen. This was a lie.
THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS
There is a well-aired recording of him boasting that he could get women by "grabbing their pussy".
THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY
THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOUR'S WIFE
You are the one who parades nuggets of "wisdom" from the Old Testament in the apparent belief that it portrays you as a biblical scholar. Have you come across the Ten Commandments? If you examine Donald Trump's behaviour using these commandments for reference, does he come across as someone to be admired? If so, why?
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We never witnessed the resurrction of Christ . . . but you KNOW thgat it happened . . .
Why bring that up on a thread about Trump in the Politics section? It has no relevance at all, you're just trying to score points without making any points of your own.
I dislike Trump, the puffed up buffoon, and agree with Harrowby's post above mine which does outline salient points. Nevertheless Trump does have supporters, he tapped into the mood of some sections of American society but they aren't all blue collar. We may wonder why they can't see the bigger picture but it's a fact so not surprising tht a few people over here approve of him too, like sassy.
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I don't see how unless she's an American citizen with voting rights & don't think she is, she'll correct me if i;m wrong. We can laugh at him & say what we like about him over here but won't affect him being president. Only the Americans can change that eventually.
There's a programme hosted by Jeremy Paxman on BBC1 at 9pm tonight about Trump's first hundred days as president, might be interesting. He travels across America interviewing people trying to make sense of the man & his policies.
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What is the difference between companies charging the public high costs and the businessman charging each other lower fees?
Huh? That doesn't make sense as a response to my post.
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What is the difference between companies charging the public high costs and the businessman charging each other lower fees?
No you haven't got it Sassy, Trump refused to pay what he had agreed.
He broke promises.
Almost lost some small business men their livelihood
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/13/politics/trump-small-business-owners/
Small businessmen can't afford not to be paid.
3500 claims of him not keeping promises and not paying people, is a lot.
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/06/donald-trump-lawsuit-contractors
He thinks he can do what he wants, to anyone.
Including women.
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Good piece in the Slate yesterday:
Donald Trump has just three months in office, but even now, we can see what he brings to the White House. Not the strength or mastery he works to project with every public appearance, but its opposite: insecurity. As president, Trump is profoundly insecure: insecure about his electoral victory, insecure about his public standing, and insecure about his progress as chief executive.
President Trump’s smothering insecurity is evident in his recent interview with the Associated Press. Throughout the long and meandering exchange, Trump repeatedly turns from questions of policy and program to the obsessions and insecurities that seem to consume his attention. When asked, for example, if he’ll reject a bill to fund the government if it doesn’t include funding for a border wall, Trump pivots from the issue at hand to a discussion of the Electoral College. “You know, it’s funny. The Democrats, they have a big advantage in the Electoral College,” said Trump, later adding that “the Electoral College is very difficult for a Republican to win.”
This focus on the Electoral College—and how difficult it’s supposed to be for Republican presidential candidates—is a regular tic for Trump. “You know, look, the Democrats had a tremendous opportunity because of the Electoral College, as I said, is so skewed to them,” said Trump in response to questions about his White House team. “The Electoral College is so skewed in favour of a Democrat that it’s very, very hard.”
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/04/donald_trump_s_defining_trait_his_insecurity.html
I have to add I find it really difficult to listen to him on any form of media, he has the attention span of a dead goldfish and the mental capacity of a puppy.
He seems incapable of stringing his words together to create any coherent sentences; he strings sentences together that seem totally unrelated to each other.. [see here for example. https://youtu.be/2E2vLjJOig0]
He is the supreme definition of a Nobber!!
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Silly wotsit!
I wondered about the Christian enthusiasm in the USA for Donald Trump and googled - Is Trump a Christian?
Loads of stuff came up, too much to pick one to post here. One talked about his recent conversion, another said he is quiet about his faith because if he talks about it it comes out wrong.
Catholic Herald went on a bit and ddin't reach a point.
Hey ho.
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Good piece in the Slate yesterday:
I have to add I find it really difficult to listen to him on any form of media, he has the attention span of a dead goldfish and the mental capacity of a puppy.
He seems incapable of stringing his words together to create any coherent sentences; he strings sentences together that seem totally unrelated to each other.. [see here for example. https://youtu.be/2E2vLjJOig0]
He is the supreme definition of a Nobber!!
I agree. He's falling apart and that won't do his ego any good which, for people like him, is very dangerous and explosive.
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On the News Quiz yesterday, there was an American comedian (actually, I don't think he was very funny!) who said that Trump has a wooden box on his desk with a red button in it which he presses to call a member of staff. The implication was that he had It made to resemble the nuclear button box so that he could pretend to , or practise?!, pressing it. I wouldn't be surprised!!
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Me neither. What Susan said is alarming!
(Is there really a nuclear button though?)
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Whether the so called 'nuclear button' is real or apocryphal, I have no idea.
It's called the nuclear football (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_football) but it's actually a briefcase containing the launch codes and the procedures for launching various kinds of nuclear strike. I don' suppose it is a button as such, it's probably some sort of secure telephone.
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Me neither. Hope not! One can imagine an idiot being drawn towards it....reminds me of a Father Ted episode in which Frs Ted and Dougal were on a plane. Fr Dougal saw the red 'Mayday' button and couldn't take his eyes off it, it seemed to pulsate and glow in his sight. Of course he had to press it, can't remember what happened.
I digress, apologies.
PS Saw your post,thanks. Nuclear football - 'spect they call it 'nuclear soccer ball' in USofA.
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Me neither. Hope not! One can imagine an idiot being drawn towards it....reminds me of a Father Ted episode in which Frs Ted and Dougal were on a plane. Fr Dougal saw the red 'Mayday' button and couldn't take his eyes off it, it seemed to pulsate and glow in his sight. Of course he had to press it, can't remember what happened.
Google - Derren Brown dont kill the kitten.
If you dare!
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If you feel the need to find out what #PresidentWotsitFacedTangoMonster has been up to today, this is my goto site:
http://www.politico.com/news/donald-trump
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Trump's novel take on his own country's history....... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39773280?ocid=socialflow_facebook&ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbcnews&ns_source=facebook
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Interesting examination of the tribal split in the U.S.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/02/opinion/the-collapse-of-american-identity.html
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Of course
http://www.distractify.com/trending/2017/05/04/Z229lpv/gop-bill-preexisting-conditions
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Kim Jung-un is claiming the CIA are planning to assassinate him. Of course he would be no loss to the world if that were true. I wonder if the CIA also has a little accident planned for someone else too?
You mean Donald Trump?
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I certainly don't want to see Trump assassinated, would just like him not to be president of the USA. It is a risky business for anyone to be the President, there are always people ready to gun them down & sometimes succeeded. No it would be horrible for him to be murdered, no need for that, there must be better ways to depose him.
(Wouldn't lose sleep over Kim J-u)
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Donald Trump is no better than Kim Jung-u, in my opinion.
So he's a dictator who kills and starves his people?
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He is a dictator. Getting rid of Obama Care, will probably cause some to die. >:(
Thus whole democracy thing is a bit confusing for you?
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Donald Trump is no better than Kim Jung-u, in my opinion.
Much as I loathe Donald Trump and deplore many of his policies and think he should probably be in prison, he would have a fair way to go before he is as bad as Kim Jong Un.
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Thus whole democracy thing is a bit confusing for you?
You mean like the Electoral College?
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You mean like the Electoral College?
In the sense that it shows Trump isn't a dictator, yes.
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Trump isn't a dictator, he was elected and can(will) be voted out, no comparison between him and Kim J-u.
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I heard a talk about the meeting of Henry VIII and Francois I at the Field of the Cloth of Gold a few days ago.
A meeting of Kim Jong-un and Donald Trump might just be a 21st century re-enactment.
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Trump isn't a dictator, he was elected and can(will) be voted out, no comparison between him and Kim J-u.
There is on the strange hair do.
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I think there is plenty of comparison with that sick idiot Trump, North Korean despot, and Putin as well.
They are all power hungry men, who don't have a high regard for the vulnerable people in their respective countries.
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We never witnessed the resurrction of Christ . . . but you KNOW thgat it happened . . .
##Christ walked on water and raised the dead..did Donald Trump?
Not the same thing Owlswing. Hence you believe in something you know to be false and we believe in something no one has ever proved false.
Guess credence plays a big part in everything. Jesus Christ baptised with the Spirit he made difference which we can experience today.
Trump changes politics and the lives of people in a way according to earthly power. God and Christ change the lives of people on a spiritual scale.
We both believe things but the difference is why.
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I believe the Americans will wake up to that fact floo, let's hope not too much damage is down before then.
(Still can't work out why poster's personal faith was brought up in the first place on previous page when this is a non-religious thread. Seems irrelevant.)
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(Still can't work out why poster's personal faith was brought up in the first place on previous page when this is a non-religious thread. Seems irrelevant.)
You've not met our Sassy before, then?
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As Jesus wouldn't say 'you lepers, dropping fingers and bad intentions everywhere, no healing!"
https://trofire.com/2017/05/03/republican-congressman-says-people-lead-good-lives-dont-pre-existing-conditions1/
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You've not met our Sassy before, then?
Yes a few times, she posts here occasionally but didn't introduce religion on this thread, if you look at previous page it was brought up out of the blue by someone else & she has now responded.
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If you have a few hours to spare, use them to wade through old threads. You will more Biblical authority for ... err ... non-conventional views than you ever thought existed.
And if you want some relief, look up Sassy's cogent views on the Moon landings. ::)
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That would be time consuming & wouldn't be fair. Neither would it alter the fact that this isn't a thread about religious views & she wasn't the one to introduce religious beliefs.
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Assertions NO factual evidence. People can't water on walk that is IMPOSSIBLE.
As for that idiot Trump, under his rule the USofA will be an even worse place in which to live, imo.
You mean worse things will happen than the 9/11 where the people were allowed into the country to perform the executions?
To be honest the USA was already in trouble just as the UK before they put Maggie in to do the dirty work they could blame
on her being a woman and still get into power again.
You honestly! have no idea, do you how men run the countries behind the scenes.
Donald Trump did not get to be where he is because he is an idiot!
Adolf Hitler did not get to be where his is, because he was an idiot!
You see for men to get into power it takes more than the man. For people to vote it takes more than being an idiot.
These men get into power because people are tired of the system letting them down and men working for the power of the rich and ignoring the poor. No Country trusts another country. Just as most men do not trust each other.
If people want to ignore the threat of a Country whose kill people of other countries in their own streets, then they are the real idiots/fools.
Personality contests do not make good reasoning for putting people in power.
The idiots who block what the people voted for show they are not to be trusted and do not want what the people want if it does not agree with their wants. Not democratic at all. Just people showing they want power even if it causes destruction for others.
A little like the mentality which caused the 9/11 in the first instance.
How can another Country dictate their beliefs onto a Country which is not theirs?
The world is in such a state at present. The poor and oppressed being continually abused and lessened in the eyes
of mankind as 'scroungers' and 'lazy good for nothings'.
The truth is the poorer people in Countries, the working class are the backbone of the country. Rid the world of them
then the next line up become the working classes and eventually the people who reap what they sowed.
Removing the safety net means all who fall eventually fall without a net to catch them.
One rule for all, means class will not save you nor those who helped build the system.
The truth is you have to think very carefully of what you think others deserve.
Eventually what you give for them will be the rule for yourselves. You place people in poverty, then you yourself will find that is where you will end up.
People should let Donald Trump do the job he was voted into power to do.
If he failed then that would be a good sign to vote in someone else.
But where people deliberately make it impossible to do what he pledged. Then that is not failure that is showing that
democracy is no longer a ruling factor in that country. That the powers that be are abusing the trust put in them and the systems they are in power to authorise.
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I believe the Americans will wake up to that fact floo, let's hope not too much damage is down before then.
(Still can't work out why poster's personal faith was brought up in the first place on previous page when this is a non-religious thread. Seems irrelevant.)
You've not met our Sassy before, then?
We never witnessed the resurrction of Christ . . . but you KNOW thgat it happened . . .
As you can see should that not have been " You've met our Owlswing before then, then?"
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That has never stopped Sass! ;D
Shouldn't that be!
"Never stopped Owlswing?"
We never witnessed the resurrction of Christ . . . but you KNOW thgat it happened . . .
Do you think that most posters on here have it in for me? LOL
As you can see Owlswing started the religious bit off.
I merely posted about your statement and it being seen as:-
Quote from: Sassy on April 24, 2017, 05:09:57 AM
Is that slander? You need to be careful Floo,
We don't know because we never witnessed it.
Mud throwing is something the USA do very well.
Apologies accepted... ::)
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Yes a few times, she posts here occasionally but didn't introduce religion on this thread, if you look at previous page it was brought up out of the blue by someone else & she has now responded.
Thank you Robinson.
Have shown them. :D
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No you haven't got it Sassy, Trump refused to pay what he had agreed.
He broke promises.
Almost lost some small business men their livelihood
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/13/politics/trump-small-business-owners/
Small businessmen can't afford not to be paid.
3500 claims of him not keeping promises and not paying people, is a lot.
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/06/donald-trump-lawsuit-contractors
He thinks he can do what he wants, to anyone.
Including women.
Aren't you mixing business with politics?
The fact is he is being stopped from keeping the promises he made.
He cannot and will not be able to run his businesses as president of the USA.
They are two different things. JeremyP out of everyone here should have known that.
Complaining about him as a business man has no bearing on his role as the President of the USA.
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Good piece in the Slate yesterday:
I have to add I find it really difficult to listen to him on any form of media, he has the attention span of a dead goldfish and the mental capacity of a puppy.
He seems incapable of stringing his words together to create any coherent sentences; he strings sentences together that seem totally unrelated to each other.. [see here for example. https://youtu.be/2E2vLjJOig0]
He is the supreme definition of a Nobber!!
You mean he has the same affect as alcohol on you? Were you drunk or drinking when watching him?
Personal dislike of him is human nature, but for goodness sake at least bring some evidence to the table of what he has done
in his role as president to deserve your disdain of him. Or do you just hate anyone who isn't you?
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-39743332/what-trump-misses
Is this guy for real? He says he thought being President would be less busy than that of his previous life!!!! :o
Guess you have no idea of how a top business mans life would be when busy?
You think he plays golf all day and let's others make his decisions?
I too, given the number of aides the President has, would of thought his life less busy.
But I suppose having people in power who won't let you do what the people put you in power to do, would make it more difficult and requiring a lot more effort and work.
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The fact is he is being stopped from keeping the promises he made.
No I think you'll find his promises were not possible in the first place.
'We'll build a wall and the Mexicans will pay for it.'
Good luck with that.
'We'll replace Obamacare with a better health system.'
The very same poor working class people you so correctly defend are being targeted by Trump's changes to healthcare. He isn't sticking up for ordinary working people. He's sticking it to them.
He's failing bigly, because he lied bigly.
FYI List of conditions that were covered by Obamacare but not covered by Trumpcare. You think the rich will suffer, nah me neither.
AIDS/HIV
Lupus
Alcohol abuse/ Drug abuse with recent treatment
Mental disorders (severe, e.g. bipolar, eating disorder)
Alzheimer’s/dementia
Multiple sclerosis
Arthritis (rheumatoid), fibromyalgia, other inflammatory joint disease
Muscular dystrophy
Cancer within some period of time (e.g. 10 years, often other than basal skin cancer)
Obesity, severe
Cerebral palsy
Organ transplant
Congestive heart failure
Paraplegia
Coronary artery/heart disease, bypass surgery
Paralysis
Crohn’s disease/ ulcerative colitis
Parkinson’s disease
Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD)/emphysema
Pending surgery or hospitalization
Diabetes mellitus
Pneumocystic pneumonia
Epilepsy
Pregnancy or expectant parent
Hemophilia
Sleep apnea
Hepatitis (Hep C)
Stroke
Kidney disease, renal failure
Transsexualism
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Silly wotsit!
I wondered about the Christian enthusiasm in the USA for Donald Trump and googled - Is Trump a Christian?
Loads of stuff came up, too much to pick one to post here. One talked about his recent conversion, another said he is quiet about his faith because if he talks about it it comes out wrong.
Catholic Herald went on a bit and ddin't reach a point.
Hey ho.
If you a mock a believer you mock the God who made him and the saviour (in this case) who died for him.
Why do you believe that it is written:-
King James Bible
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
It isn't a personality contest of whether I like Donald Trump or Not. I believe in higher powers and that all powers are their by the will of God. Do I know why God put Donald Trump in power? Guessing and looking at facts in the world it could be because of the lack of the last president to help secure Israel the nation and the City of Jerusalem where they need to be. It could also, (which I do believe) be about end times coming into force and the powers that be finally being brought to book.
What I do know is that God is no ones fool he has told the end from the beginning.
My personal beliefs about Donald Trump as a man or business man has no bearing on the fact he is in power because God allowed it, and it will eventually serve the greater plans of God for the good and future of mankind.
You mention you have a faith Robinson. Well, so do I, but it is not based or founded in what others call the 'rights' and 'wrongs' of the world. It is based on belief in God and that he has everything worked out to the last detail.
If Trump is in power you need to know God has real good reasons for it.
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If you a mock a believer you mock the God who made him and the saviour (in this case) who died for him.
That is hilarious, even for you Sass! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I suppose you have laugh, otherwise how would you explain what you actually understood from it?
I love you, Floo. Never afraid to voice something, even if, you don't really understand it.
But I worry one day you might miss something important.
Faith in God, is not really an 'us' and 'them' situation.
When you think seriously for a minute... you yourself have said how horrible the death of Jesus Christ was.
Do you not realise that in mocking someone who believes in God and Christ Jesus you are mocking those
they believe in? What about Christ's death or the way he died, do you find hilarious?
I know you wrote what you did because you did not understand what I said. I took no offense at what you said.
In the reality of what Christ did and went through because he wanted to save mankind.
Can you think anything which would be funny about it?
Sometimes the reason people do things is not always clear. But you could ask what they mean rather than just laugh and say
it is hilarious. :(
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I didn't know Donald Trump was a believer.
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My personal beliefs about Donald Trump as a man or business man has no bearing on the fact he is in power because God allowed it, ......
If Trump is in power you need to know God has real good reasons for it.
I think God must have had a little too much altar wine. In his inebriated state he let Hilary Clinton win 3,000,000 more votes than Donald Trump. So, knowing that he had cocked it up, he had do a fiddle whereby each voter in Wisconsin was worth three times the vote of each elector in California.
He certainly works in a mysterious way. I suppose he could be ensuring that, by eliminating their access to affordable life-saving medical attention, the poorest God-fearing (what a condition) Republican supporters will die early and thus get to Heaven quickly.
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You mean worse things will happen than the 9/11 where the people were allowed into the country to perform the executions?
Trump's healthcare reforms will almost certainly kill more people than died on that day. His environmental policy might end up killing us all.
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Complaining about him as a business man has no bearing on his role as the President of the USA.
It's the same ammoral arsehole. He admitted he likes sexually assaulting women on video, for Dog's sake. How bad does he have to be before you'll reluctantly admit he is a bad man?
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Going back a bit because I still don't know: is Donald Trump 'a believer'? If he is I would not mock or criticise for his faith which is entirely his affair but feel at liberty to criticise him as a politician.
Apart from that I have problems with the idea that God put him in power. By same token God would have put Saddam Hussein or Hitler in power!
I don't believe God puts people in power, people do that. God doesn't stop us from from having success nor making mistakes & we bear the consequences.
Trump being President of the USA is not God-ordained.
(I realise all this is academic to anyone who doesn't believe in God but as it has come up, it made me think.)
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Going back a bit because I still don't know: is Donald Trump 'a believer'? If he is I would not mock or criticise for his faith which is entirely his affair but feel at liberty to criticise him as a politician.
Apart from that I have problems with the idea that God put him in power. By same token God would have put Saddam Hussein or Hitler in power!
I don't believe God puts people in power, people do that. God doesn't stop us from from having success nor making mistakes & we bear the consequences.
Trump being President of the USA is not God-ordained.
(I realise all this is academic to anyone who doesn't believe in God but as it has come up, it made me think.)
so you can mock him for his beliefs as a politician but you think you shouldn't because of faith beliefs? What's the difference ?
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I knew I would regret saying all that!
if someone worships in private it's their business.
I might criticise him/her if he linked some outrageous (in my view)political policies and actions to religious beliefs, like using religion to justify them.
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I think God must have had a little too much altar wine. In his inebriated state he let Hilary Clinton win 3,000,000 more votes than Donald Trump. So, knowing that he had cocked it up, he had do a fiddle whereby each voter in Wisconsin was worth three times the vote of each elector in California.
He certainly works in a mysterious way. I suppose he could be ensuring that, by eliminating their access to affordable life-saving medical attention, the poorest God-fearing (what a condition) Republican supporters will die early and thus get to Heaven quickly.
Humbling ourselves we see that God works things for good would if trusting make us see that nothing has been left to chance.
You have no faith, I understand that. But even so, you have no way of knowing personally if trump was the lesser of all evils.
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Going back a bit because I still don't know: is Donald Trump 'a believer'? If he is I would not mock or criticise for his faith which is entirely his affair but feel at liberty to criticise him as a politician.
How do you measure his politics compared to others in the great scheme of things?
Apart from that I have problems with the idea that God put him in power. By same token God would have put Saddam Hussein or Hitler in power!
God allowing these people into power has nothing to do with anything but the fact God has told the end from the beginning.
God allowed them into power and we all know what happened to them. They fell really hard at the end.
I don't believe God puts people in power, people do that. God doesn't stop us from from having success nor making mistakes & we bear the consequences.
Trump being President of the USA is not God-ordained.
(I realise all this is academic to anyone who doesn't believe in God but as it has come up, it made me think.)
King James Bible
There are many devices in a man's heart; nevertheless the counsel of the LORD, that shall stand.
16 We may make our plans, but God has the last word.[a]
The final outcome is always Gods. Who created Trump? How did Trump come to faith?
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If you a mock a believer you mock the God who made him and the saviour (in this case) who died for him.
Why do you believe that it is written:-
King James Bible
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
It isn't a personality contest of whether I like Donald Trump or Not. I believe in higher powers and that all powers are their by the will of God. Do I know why God put Donald Trump in power? Guessing and looking at facts in the world it could be because of the lack of the last president to help secure Israel the nation and the City of Jerusalem where they need to be. It could also, (which I do believe) be about end times coming into force and the powers that be finally being brought to book.
What I do know is that God is no ones fool he has told the end from the beginning.
My personal beliefs about Donald Trump as a man or business man has no bearing on the fact he is in power because God allowed it, and it will eventually serve the greater plans of God for the good and future of mankind.
You mention you have a faith Robinson. Well, so do I, but it is not based or founded in what others call the 'rights' and 'wrongs' of the world. It is based on belief in God and that he has everything worked out to the last detail.
If Trump is in power you need to know God has real good reasons for it.
Does that apply to people like Hitler, pol pot, and other unpleasant people in power? Do you support them as well?
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I didn't know Donald Trump was a believer.
Apparently in the USA it's a big issue, anyone who wants to get on in politics has to pay lip service to Christianity, atheists don't get taken seriously.
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If you a mock a believer you mock the God who made him and the saviour (in this case) who died for him.
Why do you believe that it is written:-
King James Bible
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
It isn't a personality contest of whether I like Donald Trump or Not. I believe in higher powers and that all powers are their by the will of God. Do I know why God put Donald Trump in power? Guessing and looking at facts in the world it could be because of the lack of the last president to help secure Israel the nation and the City of Jerusalem where they need to be. It could also, (which I do believe) be about end times coming into force and the powers that be finally being brought to book.
What I do know is that God is no ones fool he has told the end from the beginning.
My personal beliefs about Donald Trump as a man or business man has no bearing on the fact he is in power because God allowed it, and it will eventually serve the greater plans of God for the good and future of mankind.
You mention you have a faith Robinson. Well, so do I, but it is not based or founded in what others call the 'rights' and 'wrongs' of the world. It is based on belief in God and that he has everything worked out to the last detail.
If Trump is in power you need to know God has real good reasons for it.
Trouble is your post kind of answers why Christians in Germany in ww2 could support Hitler and gaily wave the Jews into gas ovens.
It was all ordained by God, and no one should point out the negative side of it all.
After all Hitler had the same aims, make Germany a great nation, just like Donald Trump wants to make America great again.
If god did have a purpose Sassy, maybe it's to sort those who blindly follow someone like Hitler, instead of objecting to the things they do and evil traits they have.
A lot of Christians over there (USA) seem to have fallen off the narrow path, into the precipice.
Believing Trump or any leader is beyond criticism because they are God ordained is horrific imo.
https://pjmedia.com/faith/2017/02/16/pat-robertson-opposing-trump-is-revolting-against-what-gods-plan-is-for-america/
Not surprisingly the wolves in sheeps clothing support this idea.
That tells me all I need to know.
No one should be above criticism, especially those who are in control of others.
It's how atrocities happen, people don't question.
How Donald Trump behaves to those beneath him, matters.
How he behaves when he thinks he can't be held accountable, matters.
It's those things that matter.
It's what shapes a persons integrity.
Unfortunately many Christians who support him don't know what integrity is.
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Rose
I was thinking of responding to Sassy in much the same way that you have done.
You beat me to it, and you have done so splendidly. Your response is more complete than ever mine would have been. I concur with you every word. Thank you.
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How he behaves when he thinks he can't be held accountable, matters.
Prescient given this morning's news about the head of the FBI.
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Incredible that Trump actually praised Comey at the time for investigating Clinton, now he gets fired for it. Obviously, lots of stories that Trump is trying to protect himself from investigations into Russia links. Very Nixonian.
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He's just made it clear to just about everyone that he's got stuff to hide. Idiot.
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Yes, he's like the kid who comes out of the kitchen with his face covered in chocolate, and says, who me, I've been doing nothing.
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Does that apply to people like Hitler, pol pot, and other unpleasant people in power? Do you support them as well?
Rose,
Why does evil exist in the world?
Because man exists.
But whatever we believe evil cannot exist without men committing evil.
You have God wanting man to be saved.
The Jews believed that their Messiah would not come until the people of the world were truly evil or truly good.
The arguments about Trump or anyone in power has to work to the greater evil or the greater good.
If Trump is for the greater good in an evil world what is the arguments and attacks about if not?
It isn't about support.. I never voted any of the people you mention into power.
What is Trump to do with anyone here? None of us had a say and none of us had a say in the people you mentioned.
But in history like with Hitler is was Christian Nations who went in to stop the evil.
Whilst you lack any faith in a great power, Rose. The lesser evils need to be in power to stop the people as you mentioned above. Winston Churchill, was a Christian. He even was known to have said words to the effect:- " Until, I came to lead the Nation during the word, all I had learned did not really make sense." In other words all the studying he did and the way his life went was not understood till God brought him to power during the War. Then he understood why he had learned everything he had. What the purpose of it, was for.
I do believe that everything happens for a reason. God in the case of my faith works everything through to the good of man.
I feel the fact man has not destroyed himself or the earth yet is a sign a higher power is watching over us.
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Apparently in the USA it's a big issue, anyone who wants to get on in politics has to pay lip service to Christianity, atheists don't get taken seriously.
I don't believe that is true.
It is has been for years that Politicians have got on by using causes like the homosexual rights and abortion rights.
Now men have turned to God in the USA they are now jumping on that band wagon. Any cause to get into power.
But so far Trump has really tried hard against difficult odds to implement his promises.
Those few who do not want to let go in places of power are abusing that power to try and stop him.
They are not following the wishes of the people or their own ways which voted and got him into power.
If a country divides it will certainly fall. But it won't be Trumps fault but the people who went against the rights of the people and
Trump as President to act as he was empowered to do so.
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Trouble is your post kind of answers why Christians in Germany in ww2 could support Hitler and gaily wave the Jews into gas ovens.
It was all ordained by God, and no one should point out the negative side of it all.
After all Hitler had the same aims, make Germany a great nation, just like Donald Trump wants to make America great again.
If god did have a purpose Sassy, maybe it's to sort those who blindly follow someone like Hitler, instead of objecting to the things they do and evil traits they have.
A lot of Christians over there (USA) seem to have fallen off the narrow path, into the precipice.
Believing Trump or any leader is beyond criticism because they are God ordained is horrific imo.
https://pjmedia.com/faith/2017/02/16/pat-robertson-opposing-trump-is-revolting-against-what-gods-plan-is-for-america/
Not surprisingly the wolves in sheeps clothing support this idea.
That tells me all I need to know.
No one should be above criticism, especially those who are in control of others.
It's how atrocities happen, people don't question.
How Donald Trump behaves to those beneath him, matters.
How he behaves when he thinks he can't be held accountable, matters.
It's those things that matter.
It's what shapes a persons integrity.
Unfortunately many Christians who support him don't know what integrity is.
Unfortunately, that view is not based on anything but personal opinion due to you being an atheist.
That last sentence of mine is the truth.
Because as the post before this shows. In your own human mind the only evil in the world can be HUMAN caused.
But the fact remains that all democratic countries have put laws and rules in place for the governing of the Country.
USA are not keeping their own laws and rules when it comes to the President elected or his power to then run the country.
God knows the end from the beginning. As you lack knowledge of God you lack the understanding to see God being in all places in all times at the same time.
A day and a thousand years the same for him.
So the book of life written before the world began because God has seen everything from beginning to end before it began.
He knew what and who would vote Trump in, as he knew people would put Hitler in power.
ALL THESE ARE HUMAN DOINGS. God just ensures the greater good comes out for the world.
Hitlers aim was to take the English Woman and the German man and make the greatest nation on earth.
Anything else was surplus to requirements. The Pope could have stopped Hitler at any time.
As a Roman Catholic the Church saw themselves as becoming the ONLY religion on the planet through Hitler.
Did they know the reality of what Hitler was doing before the war ended?
Where was the worlds integrity when they allowed Hitler to do these things?
Where was our own Countries integrity when:-
1938: 'Peace for our time' - Chamberlain
The British Prime Minister has been hailed as bringing "peace to Europe" after signing a non-aggression pact with Germany.
Sometimes, we have to realise human beings are out for themselves. That the evil exists because nations including our own allow it. What would have Hitler gone on to do had God not raised up men to oppose him?
You may never have been born. God sees everything and he raises up men who know him like Winston Churchill who stop those men who do evil to others and stop it being far worse.
What you don't see is the fact that Christians rise up to stop the greater evil not to enforce it.
Why do you think Hitler killed so many Jews? When it comes to Satan, you are already his. The Jews are not they have a Covenant and the Roman Catholics think that they are alone the people of God, a branch who ignore they are not and never will be the root. Satan hit's out where people like yourself will fail to recognise the truth.
The Jews harmed because they are Gods people. Hitler thought, however misguided - that they were an affront to God rejecting their Messiah. But in reality Hitler did not love God or his Neighbour. The word 'Integrity'the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles.
the state of being whole and undivided.
the condition of being unified or sound in construction.
The moral integrity of a Christian has no part in the things happening in the USA.
There is no moral integrity where they try and stop the people and the system which put Trump in power to do what he was elected to do.
It isn't about morality and integrity. We know people with integrity allow the man in power to do what he was voted in to do and allow the way he was voted in, their own way, to run it's course.
Christians are not to blame for for Trump getting into power. Previous presidents are and those in power who sold them out for the dollar. You see the truth is the USA got fed up of terrorist attacks on their own soil where their own country have funded the actual acts of terrorism. They got fed up of being told they have to accept something to be right they felt morally wrong.
The government used band wagons in all elections to get in.
Our OWN Country blames the depleated resources on the poor in our nation.
Unemployed, disabled, sick and not the reality. A lot unemployed because of lack of jobs and those which are available being
filled by immigrants or those who came in from the EU.
The disabled -disabled due to many reasons, a lot from industrial through work they did in life.
One man I know dying due to working in the building trade and being in contact with aspestos.
The sick who are terminally ill being taken of benefits weeks before they die being told they are fit for work.
So all the good atheist rich people vote in Conservative and they make the above possible. Christians also vote
conservative who have no idea what love your neighbour means when it comes to their true false god their MONEY.
We need to sort out own Country out before attempting to sort the USA.
Our money went into paying for mistakes the Government made in investments.
It went into paying billions into the EU to bail out Countries whose economy could not compete with the richer countries.
It paid the over paid members of Parliament wages. Our Country is a laughing stock because it starves and kills it's own people whilst handing over large sums of money to foreigners.
I bet you did not know that people who come here are getting £2,000 hand outs to get a car and look for work.
My friend a full time carer like myself had been called into the job centre for a back to work interview. I kid you not.
A Gentleman pointing down at a payment was saying, ?" Not enough, I need more money cannot buy a car for £2,000.
What in the world is our government doing handing out such cash amounts to foreigners and leaving our people who
are terminally ill to die in poverty having removed their benefits?
I believe they are giving 'illegal immigrant' £2,000 in cash to leave as well. :o
Seems our Government leaves their own people to die and hands the cash out to foreigners.
Our own house needs cleaning before we clean America. Because what they do to the poor in our own Country
is really immoral and it shows no integrity at all.
Why are you not moaning and complaining about the wrongs done here?
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This thread isn't about Christians though, it's about Trump. I still don't know what religious beliefs Trump holds if he has any but anyway that isn't relevant, he'is leader of a country with many faiths.
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Moderator:
I've removed a couple of posts (by Sass and Floo) which were focused on religion. While religion is an aspect of US politics the emphasis in this thread should be on the politics element.
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But it won't be Trumps fault but the people who went against the rights of the people and
Trump as President to act as he was empowered to do so.
you do realize what nonsense you are spouting here don't you?
You are essentially saying that you cannot oppose anybody elected.
If May and the tories are elected in June 2017 and they, as is rumoured, try to allow hunting with dogs - you expect people to say OK you are empowered to do so - go right ahead. It's all fine and dandy because you have been elected.
What you are suggesting is the complete suppression of any opposition to governments in power.
I have to ask are your middle names Joseph Vissarionovich perchance?
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I'm not an atheist, Sassy. You are not judging correctly, other options are available.
Do you normally go round telling people they belong to Satan? Just because they don't see the world the way you do?
:o
You defend people with bad fruits, Sassy.
Perhaps you need to practice that discernment that Christians go on about.
Your beliefs are leading you to some bizarre ideas which leads you to defend those that need to be accountable.
Like Donald Trump.
Plus Sassy it wasn't Christian countries vs Hitler in Ww2.
Germany was a very Christian country, a lot of the hatred aimed at Jews was generated by Christian beliefs. They were called Christ killers.
Winston Churchill did believe in a greater power, but his family was concerned he might become a Muslim
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11314580/Sir-Winston-Churchill-s-family-feared-he-might-convert-to-Islam.html
I don't think he saw things the same way as you.
I think you have assumed he shared your beliefs, well unless you have a very high regard for Islam and Muslims, he didn't.
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You couldn't make it up could you floo?
Sass the person your friend saw in Jobcentre saying he needed two thou for car, for all we know he needs a car for work. Many do jobs where a car is essential, going from place to place, carrying stuff. He woudn't have been expecting the Benefit people to hand him the money, was just explaining his position. Nothing to do with 'foreigners' surely. Remarks must always be quoted in context,on their own they can give the wrong impression.
Also can't understand why you thought Rose was an atheist, she's said nothing to indicate that.
(Quote from: Robinson on May 09, 2017, 04:48:41 PM
I didn't know Donald Trump was a believer.
Rose-"Apparently in the USA it's a big issue, anyone who wants to get on in politics has to pay lip service to Christianity, atheists don't get taken seriously."
I meant to reply to you before Rose; yes I know that but it seems such a silly thing when America has so many faiths.
I'm glad here we don't care about the religious beliefs of politicians.)
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Look at these
http://www.marieclaire.co.uk/entertainment/people/donald-trump-quotes-57213
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I'm not an atheist, Sassy. You are not judging correctly, other options are available.
Do you normally go round telling people they belong to Satan? Just because they don't see the world the way you do?
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You defend people with bad fruits, Sassy.
Why write something you know is not true?
But Christ did say:
John 8:44-45King James Version (KJV)
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
I judge no one and I can see the bigger picture regarding God and Trump.
If, you had faith and knew God you would be able to see the bigger picture too.
Note the divide that Trump being in power is causing.
We see the sheep and the goat being divided. We see a country who speaks a loud of how great it is, and it's constitution.
Trouble is, it is all talk. Their constitution is like the paper it is written on. Only works when the people believe and act in accordance with the declarations. Right now it is showing they do not believe in it.
Perhaps you need to practice that discernment that Christians go on about.
I know the value of the things happening at present. What you mean is like all the other Americans in America against Trump.
You only believe in something like democracy whilst it is in your way of thinking and favour. Same with religions you
only subscribe to a point of view if acceptable to your personal beliefs. TRUTH does not work according to the individuals wants or reasoning. Trust me, in these situations ONLY GOD knows what is the best way forward.
Your beliefs are leading you to some bizarre ideas which leads you to defend those that need to be accountable.
Wrong: My beliefs lead me to the correct reasoning that Americans and people like yourself, only believe in constitutions or democracy's whilst it is going your way. That somehow some people believe their way is the only right way and everything including religion and politics must bow down to it.
Like Donald Trump.
The ONLY thing Donald Trump and I believe in, which is the same is that he became president by the PEOPLES way and choice.
And that without God, he would not be president. His policies are NOT my concern or what he does. He is not president of my Country and I did not vote him in. What he does or says has nothing to do with me, I do not live under anything he does.
So you wrongly assumed I somehow support TRUMP. When the only thing I am sure about is God put him in power.
Did not stop you trying to make me out to be something I am not. Did not stop you making this a personal issue about something it was never about. Are you sure you are capable of reasoning through everything to do with Donald Trump and America? You don't live there, you know nothing of the way of life, there.
Hence I have no reason to judge anything he does and neither do you. It is none our business, what the Americans do in their own Country and who they elect is NOT our business.
Plus Sassy it wasn't Christian countries vs Hitler in Ww2.
It was far bigger than that... it was Hitler and his belief that the English Woman and German man would make the elite nation.
Jews, disabled and anyone not matter what faith who did not fit into that plan or go along with Hitlers were put to death.
Just as you and your beliefs in stopping TRUMP could cause a worst thing to happen for the people of America.
They already have families living in trailers, cars and even cardboard boxes because the benefit system (which ours is fast becoming the twin system) is leaving children with parents on the street and no one responsible to give aid etc.
I do know what is going on have seen it all over the internet and the news over the years in USA documentaries.
Germany was a very Christian country, a lot of the hatred aimed at Jews was generated by Christian beliefs. They were called Christ killers.
Christian Country? They called themselves a christian country but the Roman Catholic Church generated the Christ Killer part. Hence they did nothing to stop him because they foolish fool themselves to believing they are new root
and not grafted into the tree.
Winston Churchill did believe in a greater power, but his family was concerned he might become a Muslim
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11314580/Sir-Winston-Churchill-s-family-feared-he-might-convert-to-Islam.html
He also once said: "I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion."
What we make of a letter is of no use without the before and after.
His sister-in-law could have taken it into his head that a remark made by him lead her down that path.
It has no bearing on God using him or him remaining a Christian. You should read some of the things he said.
Anything can be taken out of context but his remark about himself and God cannot be.
I don't think he saw things the same way as you.
I think you have assumed he shared your beliefs, well unless you have a very high regard for Islam and Muslims, he didn't.
Whilst, I have obviously never met him, I have met with members of his family. You, like many can make of what others have said., whatever you want. But we can see clearly that we do not know what his personal remarks meant regarding the letter from his sister-in-law. We do know he said many things which could appear controversial by todays standards. It shows that despite everything he still won the war and did what he was put in charge to do.
My belief is not in the man or men, it is in the God who created and knows me. So far, he has done all he said he would.
Whether someone, even yourself shares my belief is immaterial because at the end of the day you and I, do not decide the outcome of anything. A person who think they can, is a fool. Only God decides the outcome and men make their plans.
But anyone who is fool enough to destroy their own country by removing the constitution or the power of democracy, they deserve all they get.
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God didn't put Donald Trump inpower floo, he and his supporters are responsible for him being in the White House.
As I said before in post 644 on previous page -
" ...I have problems with the idea that God put him in power. By same token God would have put Saddam Hussein or Hitler in power!
I don't believe God puts people in power, people do that. God doesn't stop us from from having success nor making mistakes & we bear the consequences.Trump being President of the USA is not God-ordained."
Rose and others have said the same.
I don't quite get whatSassy means on this issue.
What God allows (which Christians believe) is for us to make our own decisions some of which will be mistakes and we will reap the consequences, good or bad - we hope we'll learn from them. (Apols for repeat myself.)
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God didn't put Donald Trump inpower floo, he and his supporters are responsible for him being in the White House.
As I said before in post 644 on previous page -
" ...I have problems with the idea that God put him in power. By same token God would have put Saddam Hussein or Hitler in power!
I don't believe God puts people in power, people do that. God doesn't stop us from from having success nor making mistakes & we bear the consequences.Trump being President of the USA is not God-ordained."
Rose and others have said the same.
I don't quite get whatSassy means on this issue.
What God allows (which Christians believe) is for us to make our own decisions some of which will be mistakes and we will reap the consequences, good or bad - we hope we'll learn from them. (Apols for repeat myself.)
IGNORANCE is not a good thing Robinson.
I also showed you that NO man can come to power unless God allows it.
Why do you make statements according to the flesh and not according to the truth?
Man isn't like God. We know that many things happened in the bible not liked. But God worked his purpose through them.
King James Bible 1 John 5:19
And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
Romans 13(KJV)
13 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
It requires understanding...
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God allowing is not the same as God doing. I already said I believe God allows us, or does not stop us, from making our own decisions. So I believe God did not put Trump in power but allowed human beings to do so for good or bad.
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God allowing is not the same as God doing. I already said I believe God allows us, or does not stop us, from making our own decisions. So I believe God did not put Trump in power but allowed human beings to do so for good or bad.
So how did Joseph or Moses get into power.
God knows the end from the beginning. HE HAS made it clear the powers that be are only there because HE ALLOWS.
Remind me how the end times develop and how God tells us about the beast etc and what GOD is going to do at the end of time?
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Sassy said HE ALLOWS and that is what I said, not the same thing as actually putting Trump where he is.
However floo, back to the latest which you have posted.
Floo:- Getting back to the bad comedy show which is Trump's presidency
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39944520
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If all that is true Sass, it says nothing good about your version of god! >:(
Getting back to the bad comedy show which is Trump's presidency
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39944520
NOTHING written in my post could bring you to that conclusion.
WHY do you write things which are purely from your own 'wanna be' perspective and NOTHING to do with what is actually written.
Ever thought you are reflecting your own true nature onto God and others. That you are all the things you accuse God and others of being?
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Sassy said HE ALLOWS and that is what I said, not the same thing as actually putting Trump where he is.
However floo, back to the latest which you have posted.
Floo:- Getting back to the bad comedy show which is Trump's presidency
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39944520
Can you not understand the truth that God has seen all things BUT HIS WILL HIS DONE so therefore he has the final decision as to whether Trump in power or not? You do not understand God or his purpose. You remind me of someone....
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Can you not understand the truth that God has seen all things BUT HIS WILL HIS DONE so therefore he has the final decision as to whether Trump in power or not? You do not understand God or his purpose. You remind me of someone....
Possibly Sassy, i have thought about it a lot. Might be better if I didn't think about it from that angle at all! I said earlier in the thread i didn't thinki it was a good idea to bring any religious beliefs into this & wish I'd stuck to that even if others didn't.
Floo how on earth could you make such comparisons & don't be obsessed with Brady FGS he no longer exists.
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If a country divides it will certainly fall. But it won't be Trumps fault but the people who went against the rights of the people and
The people voted for Clinton. She won the popular vote by more than two million
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Yes she did,we forget that. Stupid electoral system.
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Yes she did,we forget that. Stupid electoral system.
as of course is FPTP.
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The American system is also FPTP - but with a post-election manipulation which makes some votes more powerful than others.
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I don't think he will be President much longer. Impeachment has been mentioned. So - relax and let things take their course. We can't do much anyway.
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I don't think he will be President much longer. Impeachment has been mentioned. So - relax and let things take their course. We can't do much anyway.
what do you think he will be impeached on?
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The American system is also FPTP - but with a post-election manipulation which makes some votes more powerful than others.
No, it isn't. It has its own wrinkles but is not like FPTP
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He could be impeached because of giving Russians classified information.
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No, it isn't. It has its own wrinkles but is not like FPTP
One person, one vote.
Individuals vote for State representatives who pledge their support for one candidate in the Electoral College. Simple majority determines that all that State's representatives will support just one candidate - First Past The Post.
Electoral College - Simple majority - First Past the Post.
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He could be impeached because of giving Russians classified information.
Putin is enjoying it too much, so I don't think so. ..... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-39957800/putin-laughs-at-political-chaos-in-the-us
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39957358
Hopefully the latest enquiry will have Trump banged to rights. We should be very concerned about the way Trump is behaving as it could impinge on our national security.
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One person, one vote.
Individuals vote for State representatives who pledge their support for one candidate in the Electoral College. Simple majority determines that all that State's representatives will support just one candidate - First Past The Post.
Electoral College - Simple majority - First Past the Post.
And again that isn't FPTP. If it was a case of FPTP, Clinton would be President.
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hmm ... FPTP isn't FPTP itself then as it is perfectly possible to get a UK government in on a minority popular vote.
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hmm ... FPTP isn't FPTP itself then as it is perfectly possible to get a UK government in on a minority popular vote.
except you don't vote for a govt. FPTP is descriptive not presciptive.
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Trump is now complaining that no politician in history has been treated as badly as him!!! YE GODS that man is totally crazy!!!!! >:(
I read that earlier today. It was a caption on a picture of a young Nelson Mandela looking out of a prison window. Pedantically, Mandela wasn't a politician at the time he was in prison, but the point was well made.
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The American system is also FPTP - but with a post-election manipulation which makes some votes more powerful than others.
It is first past the post effectively.
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And again that isn't FPTP. If it was a case of FPTP, Clinton would be President.
Here's how it works:
Each state has a number of delegates to the electoral college. All of the delegates normally vote according to which presidential candidate won inn their state.
How is that not like FPTP?
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Here's how it works:
Each state has a number of delegates to the electoral college. All of the delegates normally vote according to which presidential candidate won inn their state.
How is that not like FPTP?
Because FPTP describes the election of ondividuals in a vote. Nothing about electoral colleges. Had the US Presisdential Election been FPTP, Clinton would win on number of votes.
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Because FPTP describes the election of ondividuals in a vote. Nothing about electoral colleges. Had the US Presisdential Election been FPTP, Clinton would win on number of votes.
No.
First Past the Post describes any system in which only a simple tally of votes determines the outcome. Its alternative is Proportional Representation.
Just as PR can take many forms, so can FPTP.
In the case of the US Presidential system delegates from each state to the Electoral College are elected on (1) FPTP and (2) All or Nothing.
The tally of delegates in the Electoral College determination is FPTP.
Your logical error (you like those) is to assume that US presidents are directly elected. They are not.
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No.
First Past the Post describes any system in which only a simple tally of votes determines the outcome. Its alternative is Proportional Representation.
Just as PR can take many forms, so can FPTP.
In the case of the US Presidential system delegates from each state to the Electoral College are elected on (1) FPTP and (2) All or Nothing.
The tally of delegates in the Electoral College determination is FPTP.
Your logical error (you like those) is to assume that US presidents are directly elected. They are not.
No, I'm arguing rather that because it isn't a direct vote it doesn't amount to FPTP. Further while the convention is that electors will follow the popular vote they don't have to.
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The fact that it isn't a direct vote is immaterial. FPTP determination is by arithmetic not philosophy.
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The fact that it isn't a direct vote is immaterial. FPTP determination is by arithmetic not philosophy.
in order to cope for non direct electiins , it has to be a philosophy else it would've simple arithmetic. And Clinton would have won. The very reason for the electoral college is to effect and non equalised value for votes.
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Individuals vote for State representatives who pledge their support for one candidate in the Electoral College. Simple majority determines that all that State's representatives will support just one candidate - First Past The Post.
Not true - although in most states a majority vote in the election triggers a convention that all its college members vote for that candidate, it isn't the case for all states, Nebraska and Maine being examples. Also there is, in many cases, no 'requirement' for the electoral college, hence the notion of 'faithless electors' college members who vote counter to the majority vote in their state.
Electoral College - Simple majority - First Past the Post.
True, but that doesn't mean that the overall presidential election is first past the post, quite the reverse.
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True, but that doesn't mean that the overall presidential election is first past the post, quite the reverse.
Since the whole process is just to identify a single person - what else can it be?
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Since the whole process is just to identify a single person - what else can it be?
That implies that STV for a single position is FPTP. I presume you didn't mean that?
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Since the whole process is just to identify a single person - what else can it be?
As I have said, the final electoral college is first past the post. The process for determining (guiding) how those electoral college votes are cast most definitely is not first past the post.
Actually I think the term is often misused. The French presidential election is clearly FPTP - the post being 50% of all votes cast.
But I don't see how our own electoral system is actually first past the post, as there is no defined post - an MP doesn't need any particular % of the votes (i.e. the post) to be elected, merely to poll more than any other candidate, meaning that many MPs get elected with a pretty small proportion of the vote, and there will be losing candidates in other constituencies that poll more but lose.
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Yeah, not only is there no post, but everyone finishes at the same time!
Well .. this has descended to debating the meaning of a silly idiom.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting
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But there is a post. It is 10.00pm on election day.
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But there is a post. It is 10.00pm on election day.
A time isn't a post.
There is no set number of votes or proportion of votes that ensures a winner. Unlike true FPTP which usually involves the first to 50% of votes cast.
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A time isn't a post.
There is no set number of votes or proportion of votes that ensures a winner. Unlike true FPTP which usually involves the first to 50% of votes cast.
only the true FPTPoster denies that they have less the 50% of votes cast. Are you now arguing that the UK parliamentary elections ate not FPTP given the above isn't required?
Electoral policy when even geeks go to die of boredom!
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But there is a post. It is 10.00pm on election day.
How can you be first to a time - I think all candidates get to 10pm on election day at exactly the same time ... i.e. 10pm!!
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only the true FPTPoster denies that they have less the 50% of votes cast. Are you now arguing that the UK parliamentary elections ate not FPTP given the above isn't required?
Electoral policy when even geeks go to die of boredom!
I think convention suggests we describe our election system as FPTP (e.g. rather than proportional representation etc), but thinking about this further it seems rather perverse, as there is no set post to be first past.
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I think convention suggests we describe our election system as FPTP (e.g. rather than proportional representation etc), but thinking about this further it seems rather perverse, as there is no set post to be first past.
The most votes in a single preference election. That's the post, that is all that's important. Happy if against convention you want to call it wanky cheese biscuits.
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The most votes in a single preference election. That's the post, that is all that's important. Happy if against convention you want to call it wanky cheese biscuits.
But that isn't a post, as you don't know where it is until after the election. I recognise FPTP is the conventional term used, but it actually makes no sense when you think about it.
We do have genuine FPTP election, both in the UK and elsewhere, where there is a clear post set at 50% - first past this wins. And then you need mechanisms to deal with situations where no-one reaches the post.
In the French presidential election is no-one reaches the post in the first round the top 2 'run off' against each other in a second round, guaranteeing that one of the two will reach the 50% post.
In the London mayoral election there is a variant approach which doesn't require a second round. In that election if no-one reaches 50% all but the top two are eliminated and second choices are reallocated until one candidate reaches the 50% post.
But this isn't what happens in UK constituency elections, where there is no post - it is actually more correctly a plurality-winner system.
You can snide scoff all you like, all I'm doing is discussing things - and in this case thinking about something which I'd always unthinkingly accepted as a term, but with a little more thought is strange. And indeed I suspect you aren't quite clear about it too, nor is HH, in that you can't agree on what the 'post' is - you think it is most votes, he thinks it is 10pm.
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But that isn't a post, as you don't know where it is until after the election. I recognise FPTP is the conventional term used, but it actually makes no sense when you think about it.
We do have genuine FPTP election, both in the UK and elsewhere, where there is a clear post set at 50% - first past this wins. And then you need mechanisms to deal with situations where no-one reaches the post.
In the French presidential election is no-one reaches the post in the first round the top 2 'run off' against each other in a second round, guaranteeing that one of the two will reach the 50% post.
In the London mayoral election there is a variant approach which doesn't require a second round. In that election if no-one reaches 50% all but the top two are eliminated and second choices are reallocated until one candidate reaches the 50% post.
But this isn't what happens in UK constituency elections, where there is no post - it is actually more correctly a plurality-winner system.
You can snide scoff all you like, all I'm doing is discussing things - and in this case thinking about something which I'd always unthinkingly accepted as a term, but with a little more thought is strange. And indeed I suspect you aren't quite clear about it too, nor is HH, in that you can't agree on what the 'post' is - you think it is most votes, he thinks it is 10pm.
Why would me disagreeing about what constitutes wanky cheese biscuits with HH mean I wasn't clear. After all if you and Sassy were to disagree about what mouldy ginger nuts meant, would that mean you were confused about it?
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How can you be first to a time - I think all candidates get to 10pm on election day at exactly the same time ... i.e. 10pm!!
You are the one who has the pot which is most full. (You have to think laterally. There are more ways of reaching a specific point that just moving.)
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Why would me disagreeing about what constitutes wanky cheese biscuits with HH mean I wasn't clear. After all if you and Sassy were to disagree about what mouldy ginger nuts meant, would that mean you were confused about it?
Surely the key point about FPTP is that there is a post - yet you and HH seem not to be clear on what that post is.
Point is that although it is accepted convention to describe out system as FPTP it actually makes no sense.
Our election system is more like the LeMans 24 hour, in which the winner is the car that is ahead at the end of the 24 hour (and there is no actual winning post, merely a set time at which the race ends), rather than a genuine FTPT race such as a 100m sprint, where the winner is ... well the first person past the winning post, in this case 100m from the start.
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You are the one who has the pot which is most full. (You have to think laterally. There are more ways of reaching a specific point that just moving.)
I am thinking laterally which is why the anomaly of us describing our system as FPTP struck me.
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Surely the key point about FPTP is that there is a post - yet you and HH seem not to be clear on what that post is.
Point is that although it is accepted convention to describe out system as FPTP it actually makes no sense.
Our election system is more like the LeMans 24 hour, in which the winner is the car that is ahead at the end of the 24 hour (and there is no actual winning post, merely a set time at which the race ends), rather than a genuine FTPT race such as a 100m sprint, where the winner is ... well the first person past the winning post, in this case 100m from the start.
You say potato, I say wanky cheese biscuits, HH says hakuna matata...
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Udayana is right. This becoming pointless.
However, if you will permit a final word, I have been looking at the 12th Amendment of the American Constitution. The following is my understanding:
Constitutionally, the president of the USA is elected by the Electoral College. The national vote has no constitutional value. Holding it would be simply a case of custom and practice. Like the Brexit referendum it is advisory only and, strangely, it appears to be binding.
Since the national vote has no constitutional value it is immaterial whether it is FPTP or not. However, as Prof Davey concurs, the Electoral College vote is FPTP.
I will say no more.
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Why would me disagreeing about what constitutes wanky cheese biscuits with HH mean I wasn't clear. After all if you and Sassy were to disagree about what mouldy ginger nuts meant, would that mean you were confused about it?
So would you describe the following as FPTP:
Olympics 100m final
The Derby
The Monaco Grand Prix
Probably yes, as there is a post and the winner is the first past it.
Would you describe the following as FPTP
Olympic high jump
LeMan 24 hour
Premier league golden boot
Hmm - probably not as there is no post to be first past - you win by having jumped the highest, travelled the furthest or scored the most goals in a set time or number of games/attempts.
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So would you describe the following as FPTP:
Olympics 100m final
The Derby
The Monaco Grand Prix
Probably yes, as there is a post and the winner is the first past it.
Would you describe the following as FPTP
Olympic high jump
LeMan 24 hour
Premier league golden boot
Hmm - probably not as there is no post to be first past - you win by having jumped the highest, travelled the furthest or scored the most goals in a set time or number of games/attempts.
I describe that as mainly wanky cheese biscuits. I wouldn't use FPTP to describe any of them.
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I describe that as mainly wanky cheese biscuits. I wouldn't use FPTP to describe any of them.
So you don't believe that Usain Bolt won the Olympics 100m because he was the first to pass the winning post 100m from the start line - how very odd.
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So you don't believe that Usain Bolt won the Olympics 100m because he was the first to pass the winning post 100m from the start line - how very odd.
I think if I said to Usain Bolt, congratulations on your FPTP triumph, he would think I was talking manky cheese biscuits.
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I think if I said to Usain Bolt, congratulations on your FPTP triumph, he would think I was talking manky cheese biscuits.
I think he would be rather more favourable to you congratulating him on being first past the 100m winning post, than congratulating him on his wanky cheese biscuits, which seems to be your view.
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I think he would be rather more favourable to you congratulating him on being first past the 100m winning post, than congratulating him on his wanky cheese biscuits, which seems to be your view.
Were you very young when your parents had your sense of humour circumcised?
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Were you very young when your parents had your sense of humour circumcised?
Hmm - that's rich from someone who seems to think that:
'You say potato, I say wanky cheese biscuits, HH says hakuna matata...'
Somehow passes as humour.
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Hmm - that's rich from someone who seems to think that:
'You say potato, I say wanky cheese biscuits, HH says hakuna matata...'
Somehow passes as humour.
Maybe they just lost it, have you looked down the back of the sofa? To be fair it might be with some wanky cheese biscuits but it might be ok....
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Maybe they just lost it, have you looked down the back of the sofa? To be fair it might be with some wanky cheese biscuits but it might be ok....
By the way, what is a wanky cheese biscuit, when it's at home. I wouldn't know as I don't have the humour of a sniggering 13 year old grammar school boy.
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By the way, what is a wanky cheese biscuit, when it's at home. I wouldn't know as I don't have the humour of a sniggering 13 year old grammar school boy.
or indeed that of a wanky cheese biscuit. I think you need to have a wee hakuna matata time.
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Because FPTP describes the election of ondividuals in a vote. Nothing about electoral colleges.
No you don't seem to get it.
In FPTP everybody votes for a representative for an area and the representative helps determine who will be prime minister. If you like, the House of Commons is de facto an electoral College for our prime minister.
Had the US Presisdential Election been FPTP, Clinton would win on number of votes.
That's complete bollocks. You have to know how the constituencies would be divided up in order to predict the result of a FPTP election.
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As I have said, the final electoral college is first past the post. The process for determining (guiding) how those electoral college votes are cast most definitely is not first past the post.
It is in most states.
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It is in most states.
Not really as FPTP really refers to election of a single member (noting I think the term isn't really correct) but states don't elect a single representative to the electoral college - indeed they don't really directly elect them at all in the general election as except in rare circumstances the names of the potential electoral college members aren't on the ballot paper.
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Not really as FPTP really refers to election of a single member (noting I think the term isn't really correct) but states don't elect a single representative to the electoral college - indeed they don't really elect them at all in the general election.
Given that the delegates in most states vote as a single body, based on which presidential candidate the people in their state voted for, I think it's perfectly reasonable to describe it as a form of FPTP.
The effect is the same: the final result doesn't necessarily match the overall vote of the country as a
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Excuse me, I hope you can help. I was looking for a thread on President Trump, but I seem to have taken a wrong turning somewhere. Perhaps you could point me in the right direction?
...meanwhile Ivanka shows the Maybot what to do with the Tiny Handed One's stubby offering...
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/05/22/melania-trump-appears-swat-presidents-hand-away/102012848/
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...meanwhile Ivanka shows the Maybot what to do with the Tiny Handed One's stubby offering...
This gets worse ... Ivanka is masquerading as her step-mother.
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This was a tweet from Trump in 2013 when Frankie got elected
The new Pope is a humble man, very much like me, which probably explains why I like him so much!
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That is a very funny remark!!! I wonder if Trump knew he was being funny? A bit of me thinks he said it quite naturally & unthinkingly.
However someone would have explained it to him fairly quckly and he can now try to pass himself off as a self-deprecating wit, nice fella who doesn't take himself too seriously.
As floo said -
Yeh right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D
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I see May is going to have strong words with Trump about the leaking of information appertaining to the Manchester atrocity!
Surely that should be strong and stable words?
I'm sure the Trumpster is quaking in his boots. ::)
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Surely that should be strong and stable words?
I'm sure the Trumpster is quaking in his boots. ::)
He will probably tell her that freedom of speech is something she should try ...
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So, the G7 conference has broken up.
Can't those idiot, wooden-headed politicians see how readily they allow themselves to be duped by self-styled "experts"? It is clear to anyone that there is no global climate catastrophe awaiting the world. Anthropogenic climate change is a FAKE. If he can only get the world to see what is absolutely clear to him, like the damage that vaccination does, then Donald J Trump may go down in history ...
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Are you crazy, or what?
it's called sarcasm
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Are you crazy, or what?
Well, I certainly might be a bit "or what" ... but you are remarkably unperceptive.
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Well, I certainly might be a bit "or what" ... but you are remarkably unperceptive.
So you weren't being serious?
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So you weren't being serious?
Yes. I was being very serious.
I think that it is a very serious matter that the figurehead and chief executive officer of richest and most powerful country on Earth considers anthropogenic climate change a hoax and also appears to be opposed to vaccination and presumably a supporter of Andrew Wakefield.
I had hoped that my earlier comment would have been recognised as scorn.
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If you say so.
Well I got it.
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So did I.
Lateral thinking floo but it doesn't really matter in the big scheme of things. We get used to eachothers' idiosyncrasies.
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Oh Covfefe, bam ba lam...Covfefe had a child, bam ba lam...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40104063
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A 'Press Covfefe' sounds like an instrument of torture used in S&M.
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Ah ha, so you know about these things eh ?
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Watched 'Fifty SHades' on Netflix one night with my sister & never recovered, can't even look at a tin opener now without flashbacks, never mind the vacuum cleaner. My sister has been going round with her mouth open ever since.
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Watched 'Fifty SHades' on Netflix one night with my sister & never recovered, can't even look at a tin opener now without flashbacks, never mind the vacuum cleaner. My sister has been going round with her mouth open ever since.
Good news. There's a sequel.
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No thanks haven't recovered from the last one.
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Have you ever read the Bible? The deeds attributed to the Biblical god, make even Brady look good! :o
Your problem is that you have no respect or idea of authority or position of justice in life.
You lack because you attack anything you don't want to understand or don't want to apply truth and justice too.
You would moan your bloody head off is someone walked into your house and kicked you on the street taking ALL YOU HAVE.
You would want someone to come to your aid and give your back what is yours.. But then you have to admit an authority has to exist
to be able to make that decision to give you your stuff back.,
God has that right when it comes to his creation and you don't, you are selective when it comes to right and wrong and authority.
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You claim your assertions are the 'truth' when they are activated by what lies under your skull!
If god put Trump into power it is as crazy as Trump.
Name the assertions I claim to be truth...
See you talk absolute rubbish and have no idea what your talking about... Truth is I have more under my skull and understanding about the bible and God,. even from a none religious view, than you will ever have. I have forgotten more than you will ever learn,.
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IF the Biblical god exists, and the deeds attributed to it are true, it is evil. Only a psychopathic monster would flood a whole world killing off most of the inhabitants and animals because it was having a temper tantrum. Even the worst of humans is no match for the evil of that depiction of god.
Shut up, Floo. According to your reckoning, the Judges in America are all murderers and psychopaths for executing murderers and rapist etc.
It is because bloody humans are evil they get punished. Had you actually understood... Gods Authority and his person measured with Mercy and Justice and the evil of man needing punishing you would not look so ridiculously ignorant as you do.
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The people voted for Clinton. She won the popular vote by more than two million
They decided on how the President is elected. Hence Trump is President. So the facts are the facts. He is the Presidents by the means provided by the Americans so butt out and stop looking ridiculous by arguments that are no a logical answer.
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Yes she did,we forget that. Stupid electoral system.
No one forgot. The Americans made and provided that electoral system. Your opinion does not count to them.
Nor would they think you know anything about the system.
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Fifty shades of *Bull Shit* LOL That is certainly true of this thread.
Good thing everyone can smell it... ;D
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1st June 2017; the date the US under Donald Trump finally relinquished the last vestige of any global leadership. Mr Trump's decision to leave the Paris accord shows contempt for the rest of the world, valuing the rust belt votes that put him in power above all else, setting the US on a downward trajectory dwindling into isolation,and irrelevance. Now is the moment that China will establish itself in the role of global leadership; better start teaching your kids Mandarin.
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Indeed, Torridon.
I'm now trying to put these events into some sensible framework.
Thank heavens that we have the wisdom and perspicacity of Sassy to aid us. Almighty God personally ensured that an inadequate presidential election system would ensure that the will of the fundamental Christians of the American rust belt, of the underpopulated agricultural states, would prevail and ensure that a boorish, self-obsessed, womanising, half-competent, politically-illiterate megayob would become their president. Thus He ensured that His divine will that China should be the world's dominant country.
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Randy Rainbow's take on covfefe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UW2ZndKqcg
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Fifty shades of *Bull Shit* LOL That is certainly true of this thread.
Good thing everyone can smell it... ;D
You will probably smell it first given that you are closest to it! :D
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Who says that Donald J Trump is not inspirational?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz7SfkhJe74
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1st June 2017; the date the US under Donald Trump finally relinquished the last vestige of any global leadership. Mr Trump's decision to leave the Paris accord shows contempt for the rest of the world, valuing the rust belt votes that put him in power above all else, setting the US on a downward trajectory dwindling into isolation,and irrelevance. Now is the moment that China will establish itself in the role of global leadership; better start teaching your kids Mandarin.
I do not believe China in a position because of it's population to establish any real world leadership.
You think the USA has only power if it is friendly with everyone else?
The facts are that countries keep in good relations with the USA because of the power the country has, both military and money wise.
Global leadership is about power not friendship. It the Countries who do not support the Donald Trump who are the ones who do not support the leadership and choice of the American people their way.
It does nothing to diminish the power that the USA has. China will never be accepted in a role of global leadership.
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You will probably smell it first given that you are closest to it! :D
I am glad you realise I would only smell it, and not be those presenting it...
You did understand your comment didn't you?
Being close to it, is not the same a producing it.
Do you think of yourself as a presenter or a smeller?
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Who says that Donald J Trump is not inspirational?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz7SfkhJe74
Well, at least you both have something in common, now? 8)
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I am glad you realise I would only smell it, and not be those presenting it...
You did understand your comment didn't you?
Being close to it, is not the same a producing it.
Do you think of yourself as a presenter or a smeller?
Wooooooooooooooooossssshhhhhhhhhhh.....................!!!!!!!!
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No Floo, he is not untouchable. The problem is that his position in the constitutional entity which is the United States of America is so central and pivotal that the prosecuters must ensure that there is no possibility of error.
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I would have thought the crazy way Trump behaves in public makes him unfit for office, at the very least it should seriously call his mental health into question.
and your qualifications in such matters are?
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No Floo, he is not untouchable. The problem is that his position in the constitutional entity which is the United States of America is so central and pivotal that the prosecuters must ensure that there is no possibility of error.
He thinks he untouchable, probably because he's always succeeded in bullying his way though life in the past.
Trump-Russia inquiry: President 'probed for obstruction of justice'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40283036
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Does the way he behaves suggest all is right in his top storey? I seem to remember that details of his mental health were kept under wraps.
And again what qualifications do you have in such matters?
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He's not bonkers, merely daft and totally out of his depth. In my unqualified opinion.
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Trump's an American floo & Americans are inclined to have their mental health checked out more than we do.
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Possible floo. Where'd you get it from?
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Just read a couple of articles in the Independent in which eminent psychiatrists cast their doubts on Trump's mental health without knowing him, based on what they see of him.
However he did release a current medical report after Hilary said she would:-
http://www.npr.org/2016/09/15/494081537/trump-releases-weight-cholesterol-blood-sugar-and-other-medical-information
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Probably because it was vague, unequivocal. I mean, if he was schizophrenic no doctor would say Trump was fit but if he has had reactive or clinical depression, anxiety, panic attacks or the like, well, so have lots of people. It doesn't make them beyond the pale by any means but people are shy about revealing that sort of thing.
No doubt, when he is no longer President, we will find out more details.
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So, Trump has been vindicated once again...
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40361464
Republicans won in Georgia.
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Having read the article it appears - not my surprise, I have to say - that you don't seem to know what the word 'vindicated' means.
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The result in Georgia was predictable.
Trump & his supporters will certainly feel vindicated and use the result accordingly.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-40377075
'Why did you do it, Johnny?
Nobody agrees.
You who had everything,
What made you bring
A nation to its knees?
Some say it was your voice had gone,
Some say it was booze.
Some say you killed a country, John,
Because of bad reviews.'
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Like this bit floo :-
"..pair are said to have repaired ties."
He's a bit of a spoilsport too:-
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/eid-al-fitr-donald-trump-white-house-stops-tradition-muslim-american-ramadan-fast-religious-freedom-a7806836.html
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Trump just proves over and over again how unfit he is to be President. :o
You have softer edges than I do: I share the sentiment but would have put it differently.
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Like Johnny Depp?
This one?
"Me, I’m dishonest, and you can always trust a dishonest man to be dishonest. Honestly, it’s the honest ones you have to watch out for."
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No not that one.
This one then?
"If someone were to harm my family or a friend or somebody I love, I would eat them. I might end up in jail for 500 years, but I would eat them"
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No
What about.........
"For a long time I tried to manage an honesty and openness about my personal life because I'm human and I'm normal - well, semi-normal"
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From Pew Research : "U.S. Image Suffers as Publics Around World Question Trump’s Leadership"
Only two countries (Israel and Russia) reported higher confidence in Trump than in Obama. Every other country reported dramatic falls in confidence in the American President. Angela Merkel now regarded as the most favoured world leader.
www.pewglobal.org/2017/06/26/u-s-image-suffers-as-publics-around-world-question-trumps-leadership/pg_2017-06-26-us_image-00-3/ (http://www.pewglobal.org/2017/06/26/u-s-image-suffers-as-publics-around-world-question-trumps-leadership/pg_2017-06-26-us_image-00-3/)
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It is disturbing if Israel and Russia rate Trump! :o
Is it just coincidence that the only major nation to rate Mr Trump is also the one implicated in interfering in American democracy to help get him elected ? Circumstantial evidence lending plausibility to FBI claims.
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Is it just coincidence that the only major nation to rate Mr Trump is also the one implicated in interfering in American democracy to help get him elected ? Circumstantial evidence lending plausibility to FBI claims.
Don't see it. This is the public's perception not a state rating. Trump has been more concialiatory to Russia in his rhetoric.
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Trump trumping
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40452779
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He has been accused of blackmailing and threatening them.
Mika Brzezinski-Trump row: White House accused of smear threat
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40458145
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And now this.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40474118
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If we are honest, we know this is just another ploy to get someone out of office because he not particularly liked by the party he beat or the
fact he is now in office.
Trump will not be moved by the farce or the things happening.
If the charges are 'trumped up' they will not stand against him, if anything I believe once everything is over there will be none left to accuse
and none will dare to press anything further.
A country who can do these things needs watching it cannot be trusted.
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If we are honest, we know this is just another ploy to get someone out of office because he not particularly liked by the party he beat or the
fact he is now in office.
Trump will not be moved by the farce or the things happening.
If the charges are 'trumped up' they will not stand against him, if anything I believe once everything is over there will be none left to accuse
and none will dare to press anything further.
A country who can do these things needs watching it cannot be trusted.
For someone with two "O" levels in English you have great difficulty in understanding reality.
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Trump is a farce, he is an idiot who is doing his country and the world no good at all.
He is a 'farce' in your opinion who made president of the United States of America.
A multi-millionaire business man who seems to have done a lot better than you, for a farce.
Idiots do not become presidents.
Your opinion is based on your personal dislike. No man accomplishes what he has if an idiot.
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He is a 'farce' in your opinion who made president of the United States of America.
Just look at him. FFS
He's a child in a seventy year old body.
He is a useless twat who tweets insults about journalists, who constantly undermines his own staff, who by his own admission assaults women, who has bankrupted five companies, who let his daughter take his chair in a G20 meeting.
He's broken the sanctity of marriage twice. It's somewhat ironic to see a Christian object to same sex marriage and support Trump who has ridden roughshod over the institution.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40566786
Trump is now supposed to make his state visit to the UK in 2018. With a bit of luck, and a following wind, he might not be in office by then.
Trump will not be impeached before the mid term elections, which, I think happen in November 2018. If the visit is scheduled for 2018, he'll almost certainly still be in office.
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Maybe this is the game changer.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40574564
Although why on earth he's released the emails I've no clue.
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Mmm seems to show Baby Trump as an idiot who will now be relentlessly targeted by Nigerian Crown Prince Prosecutors offering their services and a gajillion dollars for a one off fee but the story seems to overplay. There has been too much non news on this and it isn't making an impact.
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It shows that tbey*wanted* to collude. Even if the Russian Nigerian Crown Prosecution Princes weren't involved.
We've definitely established that Trump Minor is a gullible idiot.
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It shows that tbey*wanted* to collude. Even if the Russian Nigerian Crown Prosecution Princes weren't involved.
We've definitely established that Trump Minor is a gullible idiot.
Being interested in information here is a long way from being guilty from using real or supposed real info . And the Trump the Even Lesser offered interest here doesn't seem enough to me.
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Being interested in information here is a long way from being guilty from using real or supposed real info . And the Trump the Even Lesser offered interest here doesn't seem enough to me.
I guess we'll find out.
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He won't last four years - he'll be impeached or forced to resign before then, and good bloody riddance.
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No, he can pardon anyone, including himself. Apparently.
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Just when you thought the man couldn't get any worse..... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/25/donald-trump-speech-boy-scouts-jamboree
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Just when you thought the man couldn't get any worse..... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/25/donald-trump-speech-boy-scouts-jamboree
I know, I had no words when he got elected. I still have no words. Well not words that I could type in front of decent, respectable people like yourselves. :P
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I'm surprised no-one in the crowd shot him out of boredom.
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Just when you thought the man couldn't get any worse..... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/25/donald-trump-speech-boy-scouts-jamboree
To b e fair that's quite an old story. It is about yesterday evening. He seems to have kept out of trouble since then,
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To b e fair that's quite an old story. It is about yesterday evening. He seems to have kept out of trouble since then,
An old story - I thought this was yesterday evening USA time.
I know the 24 hour news cycle means that anything is an 'old news story' but that's taking it a bit far.
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An old story - I thought this was yesterday evening USA time.
I know the 24 hour news cycle means that anything is an 'old news story' but that's taking it a bit far.
I think jeremyp is being a tad facetious here, and mocking Trump's inability to stay out of trouble.
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I think jeremyp is being a tad facetious here, and mocking Trump's inability to stay out of trouble.
Indeed - good point.
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The Girl Scouts react
http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/girl-scouts-obtain-restraining-order-against-trump
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I am fully supportive of transgender to be allowed to bomb other people just like the rest of us.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40729996
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My daughter read this and said 'wait, what, gay people were once banned from the military too?' Like it was the most insane thing she'd ever heard.
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Did you explain 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' to her? If so, I would love to here the explanation because that was just weird.
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I fully expect that this is going to die in, if not the first, a second or third ditch of equality legislation.
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I fully expect that this is going to die in, if not the first, a second or third ditch of equality legislation.
Maybe he thinks there are no transgender people in foxholes?
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Maybe he thinks [...]
Obvious error is obvious.
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Obvious error is obvious.
Now because of this and AB's dualism on the Searching for God thread, I have has a sudden vision of a homunculus Trump. A bit like the dwarf in The Singing Ringing Tree but even scarier.
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I think Trump is making a call out to his loyal base, as he has been struggling of late. So he thinks he can keep support with stuff like this. Don't forget that I hate gays as much as you do, (but he can't say that).
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Indeed - good point.
NS is correct.
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For the view from the front
http://uk.businessinsider.com/kristin-beck-trump-transgender-ban-2017-7?r=US&IR=T
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Finally the real reason revealed:
http://newsthump.com/2017/07/26/donald-trump-bans-transgender-people-from-military-after-distressing-pussy-grabbing-incident/
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So it is fine to touch a woman inappropriately, but terrible if the poor chap discovers it is another guy! >:( :o
YE GODS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well it was a spoof - but that was the point of it.
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It is hard to work out what is factual and what is false where Trump is concerned. So much of what he says and does in reality is surreal, to put it mildly!
This is very true!
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This is very true!
...........or is it?
(Strokes-chin-smileyface)
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Quite extraordinary.
http://www.newyorker.com/news/ryan-lizza/anthony-scaramucci-called-me-to-unload-about-white-house-leakers-reince-priebus-and-steve-bannon
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Writing satire is getting harder
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/27/anthony-scaramucci-veep-quotes-quiz
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And stuff like this makes House of Cards lack drama
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40750071
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Well, I'll say this for Trump. He's making history.... The shortest term of any American White House Chief of staff in history."
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James Corden's take on Trump and transsexuals:
https://youtu.be/SfOxiapXLrE
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40759132
It appears Trump's administration is getting more authoritarian by the day, which is most concerning. With him at the helm, the US will soon cease to be a democracy! :o
If that happens then the Separation of Powers will no longer exist.
The Constitution of the USA can cope with a national politico-pathology like Trump - he does not control Congress or the Judiciary.
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Meanwhile back in the good old USSR .......... http://tinyurl.com/y7mf32we
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And now Scaramucci has gone after 10 days!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40782299
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And now Scaramucci has gone after 10 days!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40782299
As someone else pointed out elsewhere -
Maybe he couldn't do the fandango?
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As someone else pointed out elsewhere -
Maybe he couldn't do the fandango?
or maybe Steve Bannon can autofellate
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You couldn't make this up really. It would probably get rejected by producers of West Wing as too fantastical a story line.
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it's great entertainment.
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I expect that it is amusing to Putin.
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I'm running out of popcorn. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/robert-mueller-grand-jury-russia-probe_us_59837b30e4b0cb15b1bd6508?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009
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And the WH leaks like a big leaky thing.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40817253
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Extraordinary
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/08/australias-pm-slowly-realizes-trump-is-a-complete-idiot.html
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How the heck has this clown managed to stay in office so long?
It's quite simple. In 2018, there are the midterm elections (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_midterm_election). In essence , the whole of the House of Representatives are up for re-election and 1/3 of the Senate.
Trump still has a 37% approval rating and it's been hovering about the 38 to 40% level since the election which means his base support is not eroding away. Imagine what those people who voted for Trump would think of a Republican Congress that had him impeached. How do you think they will vote at the midterm elections? Do you think they will vote Republican, or will they try to exact revenge for stabbing their president in the back?
If the Democrats regain control of Congress at the midterms, Trump will probably be impeached. If they don't, Trump may get impeached anyway because the thought of a second Trump term is too awful even for many Republicans. Plus, by then, the evidence of his wrongdoing may be too strong to ignore.
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How can even the most gullible American think Trump is a good president?
He tells them stuff they want to hear.
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He tells them stuff they want to hear.
And also tells flat-out lies.
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And also tells flat-out lies.
The two are not mutually exclusive.
"We're gonna build a wall to keep brown people out..." - a sentiment that plays well to a certain demographic (not just USAians, to be fair) and also probably a lie
"... and we are going to make Mexico pay for it" - also plays well to that demographic and an absolute flat out lie that almost anybody should be able to see through easily, and yet they didn't because they wanted it to be true.
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Extraordinary
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/08/australias-pm-slowly-realizes-trump-is-a-complete-idiot.html
An extraordinary and frightening analysis of Trump's conversation with Turnbull, all the more so because it makes Turnbull like good.
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He tells them stuff they want to hear.
Yes. Maybe the Trump moment is a canary in the coal mine moment that speaks to the debate between Gray and Pinker as to whether humans are becoming better and more civilised. Maybe this tells us that when the going gets tough, people will revert to the uncivilised, preferring in this case an incompetent ignorant loudmouth over expertise and thoughtfulness, just as history shows we opt for war over diplomacy to resolve disputes when the stakes are high enough. And the stakes are only going to get higher in the future with dwindling resources nourishing a growing population amid shifting climate patterns.
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How to babysit Trump
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2017/08/04/notes-for-the-presidents-babysitter-on-john-kellys-night-off/?utm_term=.21bc7f276de7
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Maybe this tells us that when the going gets tough, people will revert to the uncivilised, preferring in this case an incompetent ignorant loudmouth over expertise and thoughtfulness
In what way is the going tough at the moment?
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Disappointingly, Trump is going for a well earned break.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40829060
There's going to be a seventeen day shortage of trumpisms.
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I'm sorry for posting this, because the tangerine numpty has added to the list considerably in the last month: perhaps someone can find a more complete list. Anyway, here's a list of the lies of the Donald as at June 21 this year. It makes interesting reading. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html
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And still huge numbers of Americans think he is wonderful.
What does that say about Americans?
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And still huge numbers of Americans think he is wonderful.
What does that say about Americans?
His approval rating is 37% so it doesn't say anything about all Americans.
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I'm sorry for posting this, because the tangerine numpty has added to the list considerably in the last month: perhaps someone can find a more complete list. Anyway, here's a list of the lies of the Donald as at June 21 this year. It makes interesting reading. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html
But as regular as they have become...
This increasingly common solecism seriously pisses me off. It should be "But regualr as they have become...". Two "as"es should only be used when making a direct comparison, e.g. "as big as a house" or "as orange as Donald Trump".
OK, carry on.
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This increasingly common solecism seriously pisses me off. It should be "But regualr as they have become...". Two "as"es should only be used when making a direct comparison, e.g. "as big as a house" or "as orange as Donald Trump".
OK, carry on.
Will do: my thought for the day is 'when criticising the grammar of others one should not make spelling mistakes.' :)
Cheers Steve - you started my day off with a smile.
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Will do: my thought for the day is 'when criticising the grammar of others one should not make spelling mistakes.' :)
Cheers Steve - you started my day off with a smile.
If you mean "as"es, it's difficult to know how to spell it.
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If you mean "as"es, it's difficult to know how to spell it.
No - it was your 'regualr' that I noticed.
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No - it was your 'regualr' that I noticed.
Oh bum! After I read your earlier comment, I read through it twice, looking for the spelling mistake, and didn't notice that!
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This is where Synthetic Dave is very useful! It pronounces words as they are spelt, although in all modesty, I would like to say that I am a fairly good speller anyway.! :)
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The Trumpster is on holiday and I'm already missing him.
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The Trumpster is on holiday and I'm already missing him.
He seems to be keeping up the good work even on his hols.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40869319
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He seems to be keeping up the good work even on his hols.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40869319
Yeah, you see the kind of stories I like are the ones which just show Trump up to be an incompetent buffoon and a liar. If there's also a hint of global thermonuclear war, it tends to spoil my enjoyment.
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Yeah, you see the kind of stories I like are the ones which just show Trump up to be an incompetent buffoon and a liar. If there's also a hint of global thermonuclear war, it tends to spoil my enjoyment.
You and me both.
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I don't know why but Private Fraser keeps popping into my head.
We're doomed.
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I don't know why but Private Fraser keeps popping into my head.
We're doomed.
I'm more in the Arthur Dent camp.
"So this is it. We're going to die."
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Still he can't lose the 2020 election if there's no 2020.
(pinched from FB)
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You have nuclear weapons in the hands of Japan, China and Russia... you think you are safe?
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Oh look the defender of the pussy handler is back.
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You have nuclear weapons in the hands of Japan, China and Russia... you think you are safe?
Just to point out that Japan does not have nuclear weapons and is strongly against anyone having them their experience as having been the only nation that has suffered from them informs this. Part of the while issue with NK is that they would be able to target Japan.
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Oh look the defender of the pussy handler is back.
And she has demonstrated her total lack of understanding of the situation in Japan. An hour at the Peace Park and Museum in Hiroshima would be very instructive.
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In many ways, there isn't much Trump can do here. He's made at least some effort to get the Chinese on side and while the rhetoric is both overblown and unconvincing, it's standard tactics. As with nearly all geopolitical crises, there is an air of inevitability with the actual choices open to countries restricted by previous decisions. I think that Trump has made this a bit worse than it might be but it isn't a problem of his own making.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40871754
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In many ways, there isn't much Trump can do here. He's made at least some effort to get the Chinese on side and while the rhetoric is both overblown and unconvincing, it's standard tactics. As with nearly all geopolitical crises, there is an air of inevitability with the actual choices open to countries restricted by previous decisions. I think that Trump has made this a bit worse than it might be but it isn't a problem of his own making.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40871754
Well, no NK building nuclear weapons made the problem, but the rain of fire and fury line makes him look extremely weak because NK immediately called his bluff and what's he going to do now? He can't actually rain fire and fury on NK without killing a lot of people and potentially starting a war with China. So now he's going to look weak for making threats he can't carry out...
... or, is he egotistical enough to carry out his threat? If that's the case, I'm stocking up on canned goods.
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And the campaign for the reelection of the President (with the appropriate trafitiinal acronym) has started
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-trump-election-idUKKCN1AT0NZ
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Trump's response here is one baby step up from 'you smell of poo and wee'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40921600
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Trump's response here is one baby step up from 'you smell of poo and wee'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40921600
Oh his staff at thecWH must be thrilled.
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Oh his staff at thecWH must be thrilled.
They know they have the life expectancy of a GoT character.
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So goodbye Bannon? (Cynical face)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40927089
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So goodbye Bannon? (Cynical face)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40927089
Hmm so what leverage was brought to bear? Someone must have threatened to quit something.
Scaramucci's convinced Bannon is out.
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Hmm so what leverage was brought to bear? Someone must have threatened to quit something.
Scaramucci's convinced Bannon is out.
It doesn't need that much leverage. Trump is happy to backtrack to avoid looking bad. The comments across the board were enough. I think Gorka will go before Bannon.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/sebastian-gorka-charlottesville-white-supremacists-not-problem-white-house-adviser-breitbart-news-a7893156.html
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I worry that I see this in some echo chamber fashion and that perhaps there is another way of reading it, but how can you consider anyone marching in a protest with swastikas as part of it as a good person is beyond me. The 'slip' of referring to a group of white supremacists and Nazis as 'us' is scary.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40943425
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I think we now know that Trump wasn't just playing to his far right support, but actually saying what he thinks.
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On Five Live - I think it was about 3:0 a.m., Trump was facing, apparently by choice, journalists in New York, and was arguing with them and shouting them down. Well, that's how it sounded to me. Presidential? No!! The sort of person you'd want making sensible decisions for his country? *shudder*
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Just to highlight this
'Mr Trump's remarks were welcomed by David Duke, a former leader of the Ku Klux Klan, who tweeted: "Thank you President Trump for your honesty & courage to tell the truth about #Charlottesville & condemn the leftist terrorists in BLM/Antifa."'
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Just to highlight this
'Mr Trump's remarks were welcomed by David Duke, a former leader of the Ku Klux Klan, who tweeted: "Thank you President Trump for your honesty & courage to tell the truth about #Charlottesville & condemn the leftist terrorists in BLM/Antifa."'
Says it all, really.
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Says it all, really.
As I think I have remarked before, I have no words. The whole thing is beyond parody, sense, humanity. It is completely bonkers. Dangerous bonkers at that.
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I agree, it is frightening they don't seem to be able to kick Trump out.
On what basis do you suggest he should be 'kicked out'?
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On what basis do you suggest he should be 'kicked out'?
Election ? Should be able to do it in 3 years plus
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Trump is crazy, dangerous and making America the laughing stock of the planet. It appears he can do what he likes and it is impossible for them to get rid of him! I wonder how long a British PM would last if they behaved in the way Trump carries on?
what do you think he has done that would be justification to get rid of him, n the terms of the constitution. That some person on a message board in the UK thinks he's nut isn't an impeachable offence.
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Do you think Trump is behaving like someone in full possession of their marbles?
I certainly don't, but NS's point is that that alone isn't enough to oust him. There needs to an actual reason, some charge, to do that.
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Do you think Trump is behaving like someone in full possession of their marbles?
I'm not a qualified medic in a relevant field, are you?
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I certainly don't, but NS's point is that that alone isn't enough to oust him. There needs to an actual reason, some charge, to do that.
Plus, of course, to adapt Groucho Marx, I think anyone wanting to be President should be disqualified from standing.
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I certainly don't, but NS's point is that that alone isn't enough to oust him. There needs to an actual reason, some charge, to do that.
Yes - also I think it would be a mistake to think that all his supposed gaffes are actually gaffes - there is, I think, an element of calculation, in that if enough confusion is sown then it becomes more and more difficult to sort the wheat from the chaff as t'were.
But he is also nuts. And ok NS I'm not qualified. But he is. Really.
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On an American religious forum on which I post, many of the fundamentalist Christians have listed in their profiles that they support Trump! How can they support a man who is reputed to touch women inappropriately, whose tax and business affairs are dodgy, and who would overturn a health service which caters for they poor?
Because they have the same values.
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Yes - also I think it would be a mistake to think that all his supposed gaffes are actually gaffes - there is, I think, an element of calculation, in that if enough confusion is sown then it becomes more and more difficult to sort the wheat from the chaff as t'were.
But he is also nuts. And ok NS I'm not qualified. But he is. Really.
But as your first point names clear there's an element of crazy like a fox here. And the opinions of random message board posters as to Hus madness is irrelevant to an impeachment.
As jeremyp notes people agree with him because they share many of the values, and it needs to be remembered that those are generic American values not particularly one party or another.
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On what basis do you suggest he should be 'kicked out'?
The best basis so far is "obstruction of a federal investigation". He should have been impeached on that one, but he won't because the GOP has too much to lose.
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The best basis so far is "obstruction of a federal investigation". He should have been impeached on that one, but he won't because the GOP has too much to lose.
Surely though he still might be? The investigation is ongoing.
I agree that it's likely that the Republicans will try to block any impeachment but there is a definite possibility that an unholy alliance of those who are more moderate and those who are more evangelical might support an impeachment for for different reasons, and we get President Pence.
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As jeremyp notes people agree with him because they share many of the values, and it needs to be remembered that those are generic American values not particularly one party or another.
I was actually talking about the values that Floo listed, not "American values". They dismiss the pussy grabbing thing because "hey it's locker room talk, we all do it". Nobody pays more taxes than they need to and if there are ways of getting one up on the tax man, we all do it right? And, as for healthcare, it's often a case of "I'm all right Jack, get your hands off my stack" (to quote a song).
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I was actually talking about the values that Floo listed, not "American values". They dismiss the pussy grabbing thing because "hey it's locker room talk, we all do it". Nobody pays more taxes than they need to and if there are ways of getting one up on the tax man, we all do it right? And, as for healthcare, it's often a case of "I'm all right Jack, get your hands off my stack" (to quote a song).
And part of that is based around views of freedom and the ability to make good, combined with in the case of healthcare a fear of what govt control looks like. There are many who might well disagree with some of his statements and positions but they see the alternative as just as bad and in certain areas worse.
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Surely though he still might be? The investigation is ongoing.
That would be "collusion with a foreign power" - a different reason. I'm not sure that Trump was personally involved in that. He definitely did fire the head of the FBI though and it looks like it was because of the investigation.
I agree that it's likely that the Republicans will try to block any impeachment but there is a definite possibility that an unholy alliance of those who are more moderate and those who are more evangelical might support an impeachment for for different reasons, and we get President Pence.
There will be no impeachment before the mid term elections. The Republican Congress cannot afford to make an enemy of Trump's base support if they want to keep control of Congress.
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That would be "collusion with a foreign power" - a different reason. I'm not sure that Trump was personally involved in that. He definitely did fire the head of the FBI though and it looks like it was because of the investigation.
There will be no impeachment before the mid term elections. The Republican Congress cannot afford to make an enemy of Trump's base support if they want to keep control of Congress.
I thought it was both still ongoing
https://www.rt.com/usa/392326-mueller-obstruction-trump-investigation/
I would doubt even in terns of timing we would get a full outcome before the mid terns but I agree that any switch to Pence will only happen after.
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So it would appear Bannon has gone
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At least the numpty has done something right - for once.
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The Mooch called it.
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As I think I have remarked before, I have no words. The whole thing is beyond parody, sense, humanity. It is completely bonkers. Dangerous bonkers at that.
That's 27 words. Avoid un-thought-out cliches.
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I think this is real
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/08/21/trump_looks_at_solar_eclipse_without_glasses.html
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-41003929/solar-eclipse-2017-donald-trump-looks-directly-at-the-sun
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That's 27 words. Avoid un-thought-out cliches.
At the time I did think I need to edit that because it doesn't read correctly, but then life intervened and hey ho it got forgotten and would have stayed so except for your helpful reminder.
So the deal is I'll avoid un-thought out clichés if you avoid unhelpful pedantry. :P
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41008116
"Trump rules out Afghan troops withdrawal"
Good, at least he has been listening to reasoned advice on some issues. Maybe without Bannon's constant interfering noise?
As long as he doesn't undo it with a tweet in the middle of the night
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41008116
"Trump rules out Afghan troops withdrawal"
Good, at least he has been listening to reasoned advice on some issues. Maybe without Bannon's constant interfering noise?
As long as he doesn't undo it with a tweet in the middle of the night
Or alternatively, like other leaders have realized in the past, there is nothing like a good conflict to boost your patriotic support at home. Cynical, moi?
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Scottish ministers supporting the needy.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/22/trump-turnberry-hotel-receives-110000-scottish-tax-rebate
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Stock up on tinned goods now: http://tinyurl.com/y8aekdb3
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Stock up on tinned goods now: http://tinyurl.com/y8aekdb3
Come on. Like they've given him the real ones.
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Come on. Like they've given him the real ones.
You seem to be have the delusional idea that 'intelligence agencies' reflect in some way the first word in that phrase. ;)
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One hopes not, but I suspect he has the actual codes so we should be very afraid! :o
..... or are we being manipulated to be afraid? ...... http://tinyurl.com/y9n2777o
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One hopes not, but I suspect he has the actual codes so we should be very afraid! :o
They've told him it's 'password'. Don't worry.
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This has got to be fake news, right?
Or, with the Donald's track record, possibly not....
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-jews-anti-semitic-hate-crimes-false-flag-reverse-david-duke-kkk-ku-klux-klan-a7604801.html
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Just to point out that Japan does not have nuclear weapons and is strongly against anyone having them their experience as having been the only nation that has suffered from them informs this. Part of the while issue with NK is that they would be able to target Japan.
Quite correct about Japan but they are calling for a reversal of that decision due to North Korea.
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And she has demonstrated her total lack of understanding of the situation in Japan. An hour at the Peace Park and Museum in Hiroshima would be very instructive.
Hey silly Billy?
Actually, it was no lack it was just an omission on my part. I am afraid, I don't copy and paste from news threads as you do.
I actually watch officials and officers from America speaking in person on the tv.
I have over the years had discussions about Hiroshima and Nagasaki on forums. My great Uncle was a Japanese prisoner of war and came back like stick insect having suffered much at the hands of the armed forces of Japan. It was the events of the bombings which kept them from Nuclear weapons. But North Korea has now caused them to have second thoughts. What has got into HH I know who you are but you think it won't come back to bite you on the bottom. My great Uncle Joe was an original Dessert Rat. Our family have military history and my great grandfather fought in the first world war too.
My own Father was in the forces. What military action have you seen or your family been a part of?
Not to mention my youngest brother and a sister who also went into the forces.
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Actually, it was no lack it was just an omission on my part.
What was the omission exactly?
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So, Sassy, of what relevance is the WW2 record of your sundry relatives (one of whom ate rodents for pudding, apparently) to current events in the far east?
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Interesting pick from Trump (or at least someone who has his ear.)
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/30/us-lines-up-north-korea-expert-as-ambassador-to-seoul-victor-cha
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Just reading thst Mexico are sending troops to help the relief effort in Texas. The Mexican Red Cross are already there.
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Just reading thst Mexico are sending troops to help the relief effort in Texas. The Mexican Red Cross are already there.
But what about the wall ... ?
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Prob'ly but they'll build hole in the wall to get in & the USA citizens will be glad becos they depend on the Mex's for so much. Just like:-
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1291166/
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A lot of this has been said before but it's an interesting perspective
https://platypus1917.org/2017/08/29/slavoj-zizek-donald-trump-left/
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A lot of this has been said before but it's an interesting perspective
https://platypus1917.org/2017/08/29/slavoj-zizek-donald-trump-left/
It's all very well saying Trump will disrupt the US political system and it certainly needs shaking up, but he's in for at least four years. It's entirely possible we won't survive his presidency.
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The tangerine man is, apparenty, branching out into exo-geography;
courtesy of CNN:
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/09/21/africa/trump-nambia-un-africa-trnd/index.html?sr=fbCNN092117trump-nambia-un-africa-trnd1022AMStory
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Seen on another site:
"Trump has two parts to his brain; the left an the right.
On the left side, there's nothing right.
On the right side, there's nothing left."
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-41356836
The North Korean despot refers to Trump as deranged, and whilst that appears to be the case, it is a pot and kettle statement as Kim Jong-un appears to be in that category too. ::)
Yes, but I feel incredibly uncomfortable about the fact that I agree with this fat deranged megalomanic with a stupid haircut* on this subject.
*Kim Jong Un, not Donald Trump.
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Sad elites supporting the first amendment! Total disrespect for flag and country! MAGA!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41376317
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Apparently there was an NFL match at Wembley and pretty much both teams, the trainers and the owners did a "kneel down" protest which was a yuge FU to Trump.
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To be fair, though many on the ;religious right'* are under the impression that the flag and anthem are, in some way, sacred icons, and failure to respect them is worse than blasphemy.
~* - oxymoron alert.
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Quite extraordinary that Trump reacts to this devastated island as he has
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41452995
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtY9OtQ5vE8
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Obviously part of the problem is Big Water!Ocean Water!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfJIX_hCaek
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An interesting talk on BBC Radio 4 this morning.
in A Point of View at 8.50 this morning, Andrew Sullivan says that Donald Trump is teaching America that the way to the top is to lie, bully and cheat. He considers the consequences for aspects of American government and life.
You can hear it on iPlayer radio.
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An interesting talk on BBC Radio 4 this morning.
in A Point of View at 8.50 this morning, Andrew Sullivan says that Donald Trump is teaching America that the way to the top is to lie, bully and cheat. He considers the consequences for aspects of American government and life.
You can hear it on iPlayer radio.
I think in order to be fully Trumpian one would need to have NPD.
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What was the omission exactly?
Don't be lazy read the thread. ::)
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Don't be lazy read the thread. ::)
I did.
Unfortunately I coulnt spot the omission.
Othewise if I had spotted it then I wouldnt have asked for help, would I?
If you can't be arsed to help, then fair enough.
::)
Have a good day.
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II coulnt spot the omission.
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Nor that one.
At least you were gracious enough to point it out!
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Nor that one.
At least you were gracious enough to point it out!
I could have gone for the apostrophe as well.
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I could have gone for the apostrophe as well.
Soi would I if I had one to go for!
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Next, an actual pissing contest!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41570266
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Next, an actual pissing contest!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41570266
They're having lunch together today. I guess this is Tillerson's last day in the job.
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Not even surprised now.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41584194
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Trump's presidency is completely bizarre. :o
40 pages of bizarreness and you've only just figured it out? :-)
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It's depressing, though, Jeremy, to think someone like him has quite a large section of the USA in thrall. Some (who are Christian), believe he is a Christian, God alone knows why (no pun intended). He is stopping the birth control subsidy to firms that provide health care. That may appeal to fundamentalist Catholics but how many of them are there? I don't know any who would support that.
You couldn't make it up.
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It's depressing, though, Jeremy, to think someone like him has quite a large section of the USA in thrall. Some (who are Christian), believe he is a Christian, God alone knows why (no pun intended). He is stopping the birth control subsidy to firms that provide health care. That may appeal to fundamentalist Catholics but how many of them are there? I don't know any who would support that.
You couldn't make it up.
It's all about subjugating women. It plays well to his constituency (even the female members) so that's why he does it.
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It's depressing, though, Jeremy, to think someone like him has quite a large section of the USA in thrall. Some (who are Christian), believe he is a Christian, God alone knows why (no pun intended). He is stopping the birth control subsidy to firms that provide health care. That may appeal to fundamentalist Catholics but how many of them are there? I don't know any who would support that.
You couldn't make it up.
I think his bigger constituency here is fundamentalists of various beliefs and denominations? Not sure if it is a particularly RC grab?
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It's all about subjugating women. It plays well to his constituency (even the female members) so that's why he does it.
It's perhaps an overworked comparison - actually it is an overworked comparison - but anybody who saw the recent adaptation of The Handmaid's Tale will recall that (some) women were active creators, planners and instigators of the system that led to their oppression down the line. A sorcerer's apprentice situation, if you like.
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Ehhhhhhhh?
This thread now consists of 40 pages of bizarreness about Donald Trump.
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The only thing worse than being talked about....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41695667
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You won't be happy when he get's in for a second term.
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You won't be happy when he get's in for a second term.
I'm not doing cartwheels about the first.
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I'm not doing cartwheels about the first.
S'alright - Sassy's cheerleader in chief for groper in chief. Self confessed pussy grabber and he gets away with it. Other are accused and all hell breaks loose - but with the orange one a certain Teflon attribute seems to apply. Funny old world, innit.
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With the Russian enquiry arrests, it looks like he is getting desperate.
However, I predict Trump will survive the scandal, even if everybody around him goes to prison.
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With the Russian enquiry arrests, it looks like he is getting desperate.
However, I predict Trump will survive the scandal, even if everybody around him goes to prison.
As someone pointed out somewhere recently - it is impossible to shame the shameless. Therein lies his strength.
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With the Russian enquiry arrests, it looks like he is getting desperate.
However, I predict Trump will survive the scandal, even if everybody around him goes to prison.
The worst of it is that there will still be cretins / Fox nws viewers - daft enough to think he knows what he's doing, and support him.
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http://newsthump.com/2017/10/31/television-president-held-to-higher-standards-than-the-real-one/
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You won't be happy when he get's in for a second term.
No chance. He's a one-term prez if ever there was one.
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No chance. He's a one-term prez if ever there was one.
I'm not sure he would want to be President for a second term
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Why do you say that? Trump seems to be loving the attention the office of president is giving him.
My personal take on that would be - he is too lazy. He'd rather be playing golf or having dinner at Mar el Lago (Or whatever it's called) and being president gets in the way of him having fun. Plus he has realized he isn't up to it.
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I don't think he finds it that interesting, and he'll still get the attention as an ex President and make more money
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Well the sooner he gets bored and goes off to play golf the better for this planet.
He's played golf 80 days or so far. Just because you are lazy doesn't make you less dangerous
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I meant he should resign as president and inflict himself on the golf course 24/7.
Then you get Mike Pence. And the right wing rapture Christianity as President.
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True, but even with his crazy religious nonsense he would be marginally better than Trump who is a dangerous loose cannon.
So you think someone who actually thinks the end of the world is a good thing is better than someine who doesn't?
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No chance. He's a one-term prez if ever there was one.
And everybody said he'd be a zero term president before the last election. I'd be a little bit concerned until the 2020 race is called.
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True, but even with his crazy religious nonsense he would be marginally better than Trump who is a dangerous loose cannon.
I'm not sure about that. If he's competent, he'd be a lot worse than Trump.
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Does Pence want to bring it about, is that what you are saying?
I think if you think it's a good thing you have way less incentive to try and stop it.
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I'm not sure about that. If he's competent, he'd be a lot worse than Trump.
I share your fears. However, I think that the Republican Party, aware of the damage that Trump is doing, may well try to keep a very firm hold on Pence. I suspect that Congress may well turn into a close scrutiny organisation.
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I share your fears. However, I think that the Republican Party, aware of the damage that Trump is doing, may well try to keep a very firm hold on Pence. I suspect that Congress may well turn into a close scrutiny organisation.
I wonder if that could be thought of as the silver lining to all the gloomof Trump's presidency?
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Nice of Trump to piss on the idea of a fair trial.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41848151
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I share your fears. However, I think that the Republican Party, aware of the damage that Trump is doing, may well try to keep a very firm hold on Pence. I suspect that Congress may well turn into a close scrutiny organisation.
They show no signs of doing it now and it's not as if Trump is stopping them.
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Trump's Sceretary of Energy on how fossil fuels stop sexual assault
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rick-perry-says-fossil-fuels-can-help-prevent-sexual-assault/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab6a&linkId=44237100
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And an interesting article that is not completely condemnatory of Trump - though part of the points about the U.S. stock markets and business is nothing much to do with Trump at this stage.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41826022
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You can't fault the effort in the research but in the end Trump's mother, Mary, still appears as a ghost in this article.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/03/mary-macleod-trump-donald-trump-mother-biography-mom-immigrant-scotland-215779
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Trump the weak
https://newrepublic.com/article/145529/knew-trump-weak-president
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Poor dog!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/england/tyne_and_wear
Long tradition
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/06/14/dog-bottom-jesus-sighting_n_3440005.html
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Dis you look at both photographs?
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If you look closely the dog's backside including its arsehole bears a resemblance to how Jesus is depicted.
Obviously someone thought so, hence the publication. Not very nice.
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Ah yes death squads, great if you get a nice song.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-41964930
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A friend had posted this elsewhere in high dudgeon but not sure their take is consistent if it was a theist who believed in miracles.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42001038
ETA strangely that he's never actually appeared in court is secondary
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A friend had posted this elsewhere in high dudgeon but not sure their take is consistent if it was a theist who believed in miracles.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42001038
ETA strangely that he's never actually appeared in court is secondary
Failed to divulge a conflict of interest and was "unanimously deemed "not qualified" by the American Bar Association to serve an appointment on the US District Court for the Middle District of Alabama".
I'd say believing in ghosts is the least of the problems here.
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Elephants, bad.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42005819
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Trump will bring back the colour bar soon! >:( >:( >:(
As long as it's orange I won't be entirely unhappy.
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Fake tan floo.
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http://tinyurl.com/ycpd3f3x
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The idea of a ban on elephant products - particularly ivory - is an attempt to stop the hunting of these magnificent animals. Clearly something must be done. But I wonder if, for instance, the wholesale destruction of ivory and ivory products is not going to be counter productive.
If the amount of ivory in circulation is reduced, is that not likely to create a black market in which the price of ivory increases, making its possession even more attractive (to those who find it attractive) than it is now? Instead of burning ivory stocks, would it not be more effective to flood the market - thus making it (relatively) commonplace?
The people who then acquire could be mocked as vulgar and tasteless ... rather like Donald Trump.
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The idea of a ban on elephant products - particularly ivory - is an attempt to stop the hunting of these magnificent animals. Clearly something must be done. But I wonder if, for instance, the wholesale destruction of ivory and ivory products is not going to be counter productive.
I favour brutality - many, many, many more boots on the ground (literally) with automatic weapons. Poachers are the problem, therefore kill the poachers. One of the links in the link above ('The War on Elephants') makes it abundantly clear that there simply aren't enough rangers to cope with the scale of the problem.
If the amount of ivory in circulation is reduced, is that not likely to create a black market in which the price of ivory increases, making its possession even more attractive (to those who find it attractive) than it is now? Instead of burning ivory stocks, would it not be more effective to flood the market - thus making it (relatively) commonplace?
The people who then acquire could be mocked as vulgar and tasteless ... rather like Donald Trump.
That doesn't seem to work though does it? The vulgar and tasteless and endlessly mocked Donald Trump is now President of the USA*.
* Inevitably, since in so many ways the USA is a vulgar and tasteless nation.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42166663
As an aside, this topic isn’t going away so maybe it could be stickied?
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42166663
As an aside, this topic isn’t going away so maybe it could be stickied?
Done. Perhaps it was just wishful thinking that it would go away if it wasn't stickied
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42166663
As an aside, this topic isn’t going away so maybe it could be stickied?
Trump sows his usual grasp of both diplomacy and tact....again.
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Trump sows his usual grasp of both diplomacy and tact....again.
And May says "Tut, tut!"
She should tell him that he had blown his chance of a state visit to this country - and that he would not be let in on any private visit.
But we all know that she won't ...
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Mmm I have no great love for Trump but we let in far worse heads of state. Now I would be happy for us to really consider what we mean by ethical in this area but I done see reasons to refuse a private visit, and as the President of one of our democratic allies, an official if not a state visit seems fine.
Tbh, I think the whole State visit stuff is pointless high flummery.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42176507
Trump appears to have completely lost the plot, I wonder if he is suffering from dementia? By mistake he even sent the tweet intended for May to the wrong Twitter account!
No, he’s a not very bright man with a personality disorder. I was married to someone similar.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42035832
Trump has put the import of elephant products on hold.
Hopefully he'll decide to build a wall around the elephants to keep poachers out?
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Trump seems to have got a lot worse in the last few months, and could be in the early stages of dementia. But whether he has a serious personality disorder or dementia, he needs to be removed before he does something irrevocably dangerous.
And he gets replaced by the rapture-ready End Timer Pence. Yeah, tempting.
ETA someone with a personality disorder is likely to escalate in their behaviour as they lose control and lose face. Given the situation with Russia, as thing get hotter for Trump and he feels more and more out of his depth, we can expect increasingly erratic and dangerous behaviour.
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ETA someone with a personality disorder is likely to escalate in their behaviour as they lose control and lose face. Given the situation with Russia, as thing get hotter for Trump and he feels more and more out of his depth, we can expect increasingly erratic and dangerous behaviour.
Yes that sounds right, and does appear to be being borne out by his current behaviour.
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I agree Pence isn't a pleasing prospect, but compared with Trump who seems to have completely lost it, even a preforming monkey would be better.
Be careful what you wish for.
The main advantage to retaining Trump over Pence is Trump's incompetence. Trump has beenn defeated and delayed on so many of his measures that he is already a lame duck president. Pence is a different proposition altogether. He is a seasoned politician with an agenda of hatred.
If you doubt this see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Pence
He is not stupid and his ascendancy to presidential status would be much, much worse than the present situation.
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And he gets replaced by the rapture-ready End Timer Pence. Yeah, tempting.
ETA someone with a personality disorder is likely to escalate in their behaviour as they lose control and lose face. Given the situation with Russia, as thing get hotter for Trump and he feels more and more out of his depth, we can expect increasingly erratic and dangerous behaviour.
US politics has always been slightly crazy, the left-wing Democrats more align with Tories on the political spectrum. Trump is beyond normal though, very dangerous man.
Just hope the US constitution can keep him in check, without it I have no doubt that the horrors he would unleash would make the worst leaders in history blush.
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I am not sure that it could be much worse than the present situation, which is totally surreal.
President Pence. That would be worse.
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I don't see how he could be worse!
Because he knows what he wants to do, amd what he wants to do in the word of the president is "bad" - and he doesn't have Trumps need for constant approval from adoring admirers which, whilst annoying, actually distracts him from his proper job of being president.
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Hello Everybody
Regarding President Fart's Britain First tweets, I would like to point out that Fatso Golding comes from Swanley, and Frau Golding aka Jayda Fransen lives in Penge, neither have a connection with Brommers. Thank You.
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I don't see how he could be worse!
It's been explained clearly by trentvoyager that because he is more likely to be successful in implementing legislation based on hate. What is it that you think is wrong with that?
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It is an opinion, to which he is entitled, we don't know for sure what a Pence presidency would actually be like. Unless someone takes Trump out in the near future, we are unlikely to discover how bad a Pence presidency will actually be.
We are pretty sure because of what he has said and done as a politician. Just calling things opinions as if the opinion of someone who thinks there is a planet Nibiru about to destroy us all and someone who thinks that Man City are top of the English Premiership are of equivalent value is worthless.
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Isn't Man City top of the English Premiership?
That's the point. They are. So if someone states it as an opinion they have evidence. Just as trentvoyager did but you dismissed the evidence because you don't agree with the conclusion.
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I don't agree or disagree, I was just saying we can't know for sure how Pence would be in office. Maybe he would be every bit as bad as stated.
As NS has stated, we can construct an entirely reasonable idea on his past record as an active politician. Trump came out of big business and reality TV; Pence however has been in the political game for a long time and has had plenty of opportunity to show his malignant and baleful influence.
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Not that I know enough about Pence but I think Bill Maher is on record as saying Pence would be no worse than Trump.
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I don't agree or disagree, I was just saying we can't know for sure how Pence would be in office. Maybe he would be every bit as bad as stated.
This is disagreeing 'I don't see how he could be worse!' Again evidence is important here. Trump is failing to get things through as trentvoyager pointed out. were someone to do so, and Pence has form, then it would be worse
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Not that I know enough about Pence but I think Bill Maher is on record as saying Pence would be no worse than Trump.
So you think someone said something? This is of value in what way?
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So you think someone said something? This is of value in what way?
Bill Maher is a liberal left wing.commentator held in high record in some circles, just wanted to enlighten people that there are different opinions.
Not sure what your routine sneer adds much value frankly. 😀
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Bill Maher is a liberal left wing.commentator held in high record in some circles, just wanted to enlighten people that there are different opinions.
Not sure what your routine sneer adds much value frankly. 😀
I know who Bill Maher is. I don't see why it is of any significant value. Pointing that out isn't a 'sneer'
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I know who Bill Maher is. I don't see why it is of any significant value. Pointing that out isn't a 'sneer'
As you refered to Bill as someone I presumed you had no idea who he was.
I explained why I thought it was of value, feel free to disagree or ignore.
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Well I find it very hard to imagine a president worse than Trump, if or when Pence takes over, and is as predicted, I shall eat humble pie.
Just before the planet turns radioactive and we all disintegrate.
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As you refered to Bill as someone I presumed you had no idea who he was.
I explained why I thought it was of value, feel free to disagree or ignore.
because effectively he is just someone here. That other people might think of him highly doesn't validate his opinion on this or anything else. We already know there are different opinions that's why we are having the discussion. That Bill Maher might take one opinion doesn't seem to add anything.
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Now Trump's really gone and done it.
He's actually made Theresa May look good in comparison to him.
One can only have much sympathy for Theresa....
... that's Theresa May Scrivener, the original target of his rebuttal to our PM's statement https://twitter.com/Masters_JamesD/status/936245534335041536
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because effectively he is just someone here. That other people might think of him highly doesn't validate his opinion on this or anything else.
Why this has to be so drawn out?
So your statement:-
Trump is failing to get things through as trentvoyager pointed out. were someone to do so, and Pence has form, then it would be worse
I assumed was opinion since you can't know it would be worse and Trent's analysis is flawed anyway. Trump does have a fan club but is hated, in the US, I was in New York last year, 'impeach the freak' T-Shirts etc, Trump wants to feel important, which makes him very dangerous.
I think he isn't getting stuff through because of the political system in the US, not because of his preoccupation with adoring fans. But hey I'm no expert in US politics.
So instead of explaining all that and being forced to learn more about Pence, I cited a well known political commentator in the US who has a different opinion.
Which was a counter narrative to 'he will be worse' for Floo's benefit more than anything.
Floo may have ignored the comment or simply noted it I suggest you do the same because it must get very boring querying every post that you don't think 'adds much value'.
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Why this has to be so drawn out?
So your statement:-
Trump is failing to get things through as trentvoyager pointed out. were someone to do so, and Pence has form, then it would be worse
I assumed was opinion since you can't know it would be worse and Trent's analysis is flawed anyway. Trump does have a fan club but is hated, in the US, I was in New York last year, 'impeach the freak' T-Shirts etc, Trump wants to feel important, which makes him very dangerous.
I think he isn't getting stuff through because of the political system in the US, not because of his preoccupation with adoring fans. But hey I'm no expert in US politics.
So instead of explaining all that and being forced to learn more about Pence, I cited a well known political commentator in the US who has a different opinion.
Which was a counter narrative to 'he will be worse' for Floo's benefit more than anything.
Floo may have ignored the comment or simply noted it I suggest you do the same because it must get very boring querying every post that you don't think 'adds much value'.
Sorry what is being so drawn out? I happen to disagree with your posts here, why would that be being drawn out?
And yes, it is opinion but some opinion has value evidence such as Pence's record, and some opinion doesn't. And no, you can't know for certain but since no one has said that, why the straw?
I don't see how your comments that there are some people who dislike Trump and his supporters relates to how much Trump tries to appeal to his own supporters, or why you think that that makes trentvoyager's statement flawed.
And I don't see why citing someone's opinion, even if they are well known, is a useful argument.
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Sorry what is being so drawn out? I happen to disagree with your posts here, why would that be being drawn out?
Look if I changed my original post to read something like 'opinion as to who would be worst President is split on both sides, even well known liberal commentators like Maher have stated as that he didn't think Pence would be worse' would that do?
And yes, it is opinion but some opinion has value evidence such as Pence's record, and some opinion doesn't. And no, you can't know for certain but since no one has said that, why the straw?
Its not a strawman to ask for clarification as to what you meant.
I don't see how your comments that there are some people who dislike Trump and his supporters relates to how much Trump tries to appeal to his own supporters, or why you think that that makes trentvoyager's statement flawed.
I said his analysis of Trump was flawed in my opinion. Trump strikes me the way he carries and conducts himself as an egotistical dick, the look on his face 'I'm in the important one' he doesn't care if people hate him or adore him as long as its about him.
That is besides the point though, Trent claimed that Trump was not getting stuff through because of his concern for his adoring fans, he hasn't got stuff through because the US political system has stopped him, that same system would work against Pence.
I don't know much about Pence but it is Trump's ego that makes him very dangerous, its not just his politics he doesn't seem to have an ideology, its just about him.
And I don't see why citing someone's opinion, even if they are well known, is a useful argument.
You never cite someone in an argument who has more expertise in the field than yourself?
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Look if I changed my original post to read something like 'opinion as to who would be worst President is split on both sides, even well known liberal commentators like Maher have stated as that he didn't think Pence would be worse' would that do?
Its not a strawman to ask for clarification as to what you meant.
I said his analysis of Trump was flawed in my opinion. Trump strikes me the way he carries and conducts himself as an egotistical dick, the look on his face 'I'm in the important one' he doesn't care if people hate him or adore him as long as its about him.
That is besides the point though, Trent claimed that Trump was not getting stuff through because of his concern for his adoring fans, he hasn't got stuff through because the US political system has stopped him, that same system would work against Pence.
I don't know much about Pence but it is Trump's ego that makes him very dangerous, its not just his politics he doesn't seem to have an ideology, its just about him.
You never cite someone in an argument who has more expertise in the field than yourself?
Again you just cite the opinion as if opinion is argument. That Maher is liked by some 'left wing' people doesn't validate the opinion.
It's a straw man because no one has said they know that Pence would be worse And yet that is the position you put forward.
Trent's position that Trump was more concerned with playing to those who followed him than getting legislation through. You seem to be misrepresenting that. He suggested that Pence as a successful politician with a record and a focus would be more successful. That doesn't say that there the system would not be an issue. So more straw.
If his ego gets in the way of actually achieving things then it makes him less dangerous which is Trent's point.
I often cite people who have more expertise. You just haven't justified that Maher is more expert other than say some people agree with him. Indeed you did say you just cited it to show there were different viewpoints - could you make up your mind what the point is that you are trying to make?
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Again you just cite the opinion as if opinion is argument. That Maher is liked by some 'left wing' people doesn't validate the opinion.
No, I don't have an opinion that he would be worse, I don't know enough about Pence to really have that strong an opinion. Someone I know on the left of Politics has a different opinion than you and is well regarded in some circles hence the quote.
It's a straw man because no one has said they know that Pence would be worse And yet that is the position you put forward.
Trump is failing to get things through as trentvoyager pointed out. were someone to do so, and Pence has form, then it would be worse
I asked you if it was your opinion that he would be worse, you didn't say could you said would. I assumed it was your opinion and asked for clarification.
Trent's position that Trump was more concerned with playing to those who followed him than getting legislation through. You seem to be misrepresenting that.
No I disagree that Trumps main concern that he plays well to his adoring fans, as I've explained he has a massive ego and wants to be the 'big man', that is my opinion, Trent has another opinion, which is fine.
He suggested that Pence as a successful politician with a record and a focus would be more successful. That doesn't say that there the system would not be an issue. So more straw.
He also suggetsed and I quote:-
he (Pence) doesn't have Trumps need for constant approval from adoring admirers which, whilst annoying, actually distracts him from his proper job of being president.
So not straw, again.
To accuse me of strawmen is to accuse me of effectively lying, please stop making unfounded accusations.
If his ego gets in the way of actually achieving things then it makes him less dangerous which is Trent's point.
His ego might well get in the way of him achieving things however what has stopped Trump is the US system. Fine take your point that Pence as a seasoned pro might prove to be more effective although this is debatble as he likely to feel more accountable to the Republican Party, Trump seems to ignore them and Pence would still have to fight the US system, a system he is part of.
I often cite people who have more expertise. You just haven't justified that Maher is more expert other than say some people agree with him. Indeed you did say you just cited it to show there were different viewpoints - could you make up your mind what the point is that you are trying to make?
Maher is more expert than me, I don't need to justify that to you.
Honestly 'hey did you know that Maher a seasoned commentator from the left of US politics has a view on this matter and its this'. It is just an observation don't find it adds much value to the discussion then don't read it and go on with your day, no need to get your knickers in a twist. :)
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as I've explained he has a massive ego and wants to be the 'big man', that is my opinion, Trent has another opinion, which is fine.
Nope, Trent has exactly the same perception. But Trump's need to have his ego stroked actually takes him away from the business of being a 'real' president. That is my point. Or one of them. Anyway stop it you two - it is only a matter of degree. They are both fucking disasters waiting to happen.
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Nope, Trent has exactly the same perception. But Trump's need to have his ego stroked actually takes him away from the business of being a 'real' president. That is my point. Or one of them. Anyway stop it you two - it is only a matter of degree. They are both fucking disasters waiting to happen.
Well yes and no actually. I think you on the left have been parading demonisation of right wing politicians as an everyday occurrence, May, Gove, IDS, Johnson they are all shit, but Corbyn, Macdonnell, Balls and Umunna all flip flop to some degree.
Meanwhile a real demon emerges, Trump, very dangerous, you are in danger of crying wolf. I don't know much about Pence, he seems atypical Republican, not in my political landscape as a centrist, but Trump is the real deal, very dangerous.
Trump is a egotistical dick, on that surely we can agree.
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Well yes and no actually. I think you on the left have been parading demonisation of right wing politicians as an everyday occurrence, May, Gove, IDS, Johnson they are all shit, but Corbyn, Macdonnell, Balls and Umunna all flip flop to some degree.
Meanwhile a real demon emerges, Trump, very dangerous, you are in danger of crying wolf. I don't know much about Pence, he seems atypical Republican, not in my political landscape as a centrist, but Trump is the real deal, very dangerous.
Trump is a egotistical dick, on that surely we can agree.
And those on the right don't demonise Corbyn? Didn't a poster on here post something about Corbyn being more dangerous for the UK than Brexit. Or perhaps I dreamt that.
Anyway nice of you to include me as being on the left as if it was one single mass with but one set of thoughts. Life must be very easy and convenient for you with all those ready made boxes you have for people. FTR I have never liked McDonnell, although I have to admit that I have come round to Corbyn's style and much of his substance. And also FTR IDS is an absolute shit.
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And those on the right don't demonise Corbyn? Didn't a poster on here post something about Corbyn being more dangerous for the UK than Brexit. Or perhaps I dreamt that.
Possibly depends on how you define it. 'Trump is a egotistical dick' is me demonising Trump, 'Corbyn's economic policy might damaging to the economy says bank' is me being critical of policy and not demonising Corbyn.
I'm certainly to the right of you but a centrist in the UK political landscape.
Anyway nice of you to include me as being on the left as if it was one single mass with but one set of thoughts. Life must be very easy and convenient for you with all those ready made boxes you have for people.
You know what hypocrisy is don't you?
FTR I have never liked McDonnell, although I have to admit that I have come round to Corbyn's style and much of his substance.
I would like to explore that but not on thread about Trump, my initial reaction is that I like Corbyn but don't think his policies or ideology will work.
And also FTR IDS is an absolute shit.
Meanwhile Trump...........
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You know what hypocrisy is don't you?
I do.
However if you are assuming I think of all those on the right as being the same, you are mistaken in your assumption.
Therefore your implied accusation of hypocrisy has no basis.
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I don't know much about Pence, he seems atypical Republican, not in my political landscape as a centrist,
I understand only too well the enthusiasm which grips us as we type our considered(!) views - but a little proof reading before pressing "Post" would help to ensure that our intended meaning is clear.
Atypical ... or ... a typical?
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No, I don't have an opinion that he would be worse, I don't know enough about Pence to really have that strong an opinion. Someone I know on the left of Politics has a different opinion than you and is well regarded in some circles hence the quote.
Which is exactly that just an opinion with no argument. And Agin that there are some people who like Maher doesn't give any validation to that opinion
I asked you if it was your opinion that he would be worse, you didn't say could you said would. I assumed it was your opinion and asked for clarification.
I have no idea what point you think you are making here with would/could. As pointed out no one has claimed to KNOW that Pence would be worse but I think he would be because of the reasons put forward by trentvoyager amongst others things. Note trentvoyager explained those reasons which is exactly not what you have done in citing Maher
No I disagree that Trumps main concern that he plays well to his adoring fans, as I've explained he has a massive ego and wants to be the 'big man', that is my opinion, Trent has another opinion, which is fine.
He also suggetsed and I quote:-
he (Pence) doesn't have Trumps need for constant approval from adoring admirers which, whilst annoying, actually distracts him from his proper job of being president.
So not straw, again.
To accuse me of strawmen is to accuse me of effectively lying, please stop making unfounded accusations.
The straw was in suggesting that people didn't think the system would hinder Pence - no one has said that - so I take it you retract your comment?
His ego might well get in the way of him achieving things however what has stopped Trump is the US system. Fine take your point that Pence as a seasoned pro might prove to be more effective although this is debatble as he likely to feel more accountable to the Republican Party, Trump seems to ignore them and Pence would still have to fight the US system, a system he is part of.
Trump ignoring them is exactly why he struggles to get a lot through see health care reforms. That pence wouldn't alienate them increases his chances of getting things done.
Maher is more expert than me, I don't need to justify that to you.
Honestly 'hey did you know that Maher a seasoned commentator from the left of US politics has a view on this matter and its this'. It is just an observation don't find it adds much value to the discussion then don't read it and go on with your day, no need to get your knickers in a twist. :)
No twisted knickers, I just don't see that citing an opinion adds anything to the argument. Why is Maher being from the left of US politics of any significance here?
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I have been thinking about Pence wondering how he, as a supposedly committed Christian, could possibly serve as Trump's VP? Trump has a reputation for touching up women, and his business dealings are not ethical, by all accounts. Political ambition obviously overrides Pence's religious scruples. ::)
It doesn't look as if Trump's state visit will happen any time soon.
Pence is in a position of influence. Trump knows enough to realise he needs the religious right on board. Pence knows this too. He can get through his agenda that appeals to religion conservatives who like a lot of what Trump says even if they don't approve of who he is.
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It just goes to show how sick and morally corrupt some of them are! >:(
In his mind what he is doing is moral - getting 'God's will' enacted into US law.
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Which is exactly that just an opinion with no argument. And Agin that there are some people who like Maher doesn't give any validation to that opinion
Its not even that, you ask me would Pence be worse than Trump?
me: I don't know
many forum members: oh he would for these reasons
me: well I'm not sure I know Maher in the US has this view, so I'm going to stay on the fence.
I have no idea what point you think you are making here with would/could. As pointed out no one has claimed to KNOW that Pence would be worse but I think he would be because of the reasons put forward by trentvoyager amongst others things. Note trentvoyager explained those reasons which is exactly not what you have done in citing Maher
You accused me of straw, again asking for clarification on what you meant is not straw. Unfounded accusation.
The straw was in suggesting that people didn't think the system would hinder Pence - no one has said that - so I take it you retract your comment?
Three accusations two unfounded as I recall, the last one you address. Where did I suggest that someone thinks the system would not hinder Pence? I happily fix the comment and apologise.
No twisted knickers, I just don't see that citing an opinion adds anything to the argument. Why is Maher being from the left of US politics of any significance here?
Explained that a few times now, we disagree, so what?
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The end justifying the means! ::)
Trump is God's tool
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Trump is God's tool
Well a tool certainly
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Well a tool certainly
Seconded.
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I do.
However if you are assuming I think of all those on the right as being the same, you are mistaken in your assumption.
Therefore your implied accusation of hypocrisy has no basis.
Oh ok,
If you think I think of all those on the left as being the same, you are mistaken in your assumption.
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Oh ok,
If you think I think of all those on the left as being the same, you are mistaken in your assumption.
Except it was you who used the phrase "You on the left..." which indicated that you regarded all on the left as one. But thanks for the clarification.
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Oh ok,
If you think I think of all those on the left as being the same, you are mistaken in your assumption.
I usually vote for the Lib Dems, do you consider me as being "on the left?"
(This is a genuine question)
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I usually vote for the Lib Dems, do you consider me as being "on the left?"
(This is a genuine question)
No.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-42250399
Is there no end to Trump's idiocy? >:(
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-42250399
Is there no end to Trump's idiocy? >:(
Although he is indeed an idiot, it's a bit more complicated than that.
As far as I'm aware the controversy around Israel's capital city is not wholly about it being Jerusalem per se but the disputed territory of East Jerusalem.
One good thing to come out of it is the unintentional comedy of Boris Johnson saying that he viewed Trump's comments "with concern".
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Even the Pope has raised his concerns.
Pope Francis said: "I cannot silence my deep concern over the situation that has emerged in recent days. At the same time, I appeal strongly for all to respect the city's status quo, in accordance with the relevant UN resolutions."
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I had referred to Trump as insane. I withdraw that. Instead, in taking this action over Jerusalem, he is, in fact, dangerously insane.
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I had referred to Trump as insane. I withdraw that. Instead, in taking this action over Jerusalem, he is, in fact, dangerously insane.
Agreed.
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I had referred to Trump as insane. I withdraw that. Instead, in taking this action over Jerusalem, he is, in fact, dangerously insane.
This is what a personality disorder looks like. What is in Trump’s own personal interest, what he gets off on, what fulfills his needs and desires, are all that matters.
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This is what a personality disorder looks like. What is in Trump’s own personal interest, what he gets off on, what fulfills his needs and desires, are all that matters.
It's long been policy of the right wing of the Republican party, and indeed passed by Congress. I don't see this as much more than evidence that Trump isn't in conflict with them when it doesn't make sense to be so. I doubt he really cares but he'll take the adulation and see the opposition as confirmation that this is a bold important step.
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It's long been policy of the right wing of the Republican party, and indeed passed by Congress. I don't see this as much more than evidence that Trump isn't in conflict with them when it doesn't make sense to be so. I doubt he really cares but he'll take the adulation and see the opposition as confirmation that this is a bold important step.
Of course he doesn't care. This is all to do with his ego.
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Of course he doesn't care. This is all to do with his ego.
I have read on the Internet that some of President Fart's supporters are arguing that he is simply enacting something enabled by the Obama administration ?
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I have read on the Internet that some of President Fart's supporters are arguing that he is simply enacting something enabled by the Obama administration ?
No. I think they mean this.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/congress-passed-act-accept-jerusalem-israel-capital-1995-article-1.3681235
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I watched this odious failure of a human being appending his signature to (what I assume is) an executive order effecting this decision.
It took him about 10 seconds to sign his name and the result looked like an EEG trace of his REM sleep.
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That madman's signature has sparked off trouble between the Israelis and Palestinians! :o
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That madman's signature has sparked off trouble between the Israelis and Palestinians! :o
There was trouble anyway - you've probably heard, it was on the news every five minutes since 1948.
I place the blame squarely on the maladapted morons who call for a 'day of rage' when something happens they don't like.
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There was trouble anyway - you've probably heard, it was on the news every five minutes since 1948.
I place the blame squarely on the maladapted morons who call for a 'day of rage' when something happens they don't like.
It had been fairly quiet in that region just lately until that US moron stirred it up, putting the peace process at risk. >:(
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Is it possible that President Fart's strategy is to bring forward Armageddon before he has to stand for re-election?
(Given that we are in a crazy situation, we now have to consider crazy answers)
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Is it possible that President Fart's strategy is to bring forward Armageddon before he has to stand for re-election?
(Given that we are in a crazy situation, we now have to consider crazy answers)
Everything concerning Trump is crazy, dangerously so. >:(
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I heard an Israeli on Radio 4 within the last hour saying that god had given them the land and that they would live there for ever.
Wouldn't it be interesting to see someone really challenge this - take a case to court, ask for documentary evidence, with a witnessed signature from god...... world-wide coverage of Court case, finally the message getting through to the majority - there is no God.
Ah, well.
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Wouldn't get to court.
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I heard an Israeli on Radio 4 within the last hour saying that god had given them the land and that they would live there for ever.
Wouldn't it be interesting to see someone really challenge this - take a case to court, ask for documentary evidence, with a witnessed signature from god...... world-wide coverage of Court case, finally the message getting through to the majority - there is no God.
Ah, well.
FTR God does exist the in the English Courts, an example would be a car crash caused by the driver dying at the wheel,and being dead before the car causes any damage. The same is then referred to as "An act of God", whilst the insurers have to pay, the deceased's estate does not.
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FTR God does exist the in the English Courts, an example would be a car crash caused by the driver dying at the wheel,and being dead before the car causes any damage. The same is then referred to as "An act of God", whilst the insurers have to pay, the deceased's estate does not.
It is about time god was dropped from the court system, like people swearing on the Bible, which is crazy as most people don't believe in it anyway.
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It is about time god was dropped from the court system, like people swearing on the Bible, which is crazy as most people don't believe in it anyway.
It's not compulsory - it's there for those who want it; anybody who doesn't can affirm.
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I realise that. However, some people don't consider affirmation as binding as swearing on the Bible, which seems rather silly to me.
I've heard of cases where whoever it is in court who arranges these things (usher?) being decidedly sniffy with those who choose to affirm, though it's possible that that's only because they have to go and get another card or something.
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It's not compulsory - it's there for those who want it; anybody who doesn't can affirm.
One of the occasionally intrusive and unwelcome religious inserts on BBC Radiq 4, Beyond Belief, looked at this subject last Monday. I found this particular edition of the programme quite interesting. Included in the discussion was consideration as to whether juries are influenced by the practice: might it be that someone who swears an oath is preceived by a jury to be less likely to be lying than some who "merely" affirms?
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Reminded me of this: https://tinyurl.com/3sz96bz
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I've heard of cases where whoever it is in court who arranges these things (usher?) being decidedly sniffy with those who choose to affirm, though it's possible that that's only because they have to go and get another card or something.
I have done Jury Service, we were all asked before we went into court as to our preferences.
Glorious True story. At a certain London County Court sometime in the seventies, the Court Usher produced the bible for an oath to be taken, the book was very old & was held together with an elastic band. The contents of the covers fell onto the floor as the bible was being handed to the witness.......it was the London A-Z!
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There was trouble anyway - you've probably heard, it was on the news every five minutes since 1948.
I place the blame squarely on the maladapted morons who call for a 'day of rage' when something happens they don't like.
Day of rage? That’s one way of describing the Israeli Defence Force’s disproportionate fire power against Palestinian civilian targets that invariably results in the mass slaughter of Palestinian children, while helping Israeli settlers flout international law and move further and further into illegally occupied Palestinian land. You’re right it has been going on since 1948. But the Israeli poaching of land and execissive force generally lasts longer than a day. You had an interesting suggestion about the best way of dealing with poachers.
This land grab reminds me of how the Native Americans lost their land to settlers so not surprised that Trump is a fan of such tactics.
ETA: Or perhaps you were referring to this secular day of rage in Israel. Seems to be the in thing to call it these days - using the term “protest” has become so passé I suppose.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/237618
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I have done Jury Service, we were all asked before we went into court as to our preferences.
Glorious True story. At a certain London County Court sometime in the seventies, the Court Usher produced the bible for an oath to be taken, the book was very old & was held together with an elastic band. The contents of the covers fell onto the floor as the bible was being handed to the witness.......it was the London A-Z!
I certainly used to swear by the A-Z if not on it. Unfortunately, it is somewhat obsolete now.
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So Trump down to a one seat majority now that Moore has been defeated. Even more interesting times.
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So Trump down to a one seat majority now that Moore has been defeated. Even more interesting times.
Only in the Senate.
In the House of Representatives the Republicans have a 45 seat majority.
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Only in the Senate.
In the House of Representatives the Republicans have a 45 seat majority.
Yes - but anything that makes his life a little more difficult and uncomfortable is fine by me.
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Yes - but anything that makes his life a little more difficult and uncomfortable is fine by me.
I have no argument with that particular sentiment.
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Yes - but anything that makes his life a little more difficult and uncomfortable is fine by me.
I knew we would 100% agree on something one day.
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I am fairly sure I heard on PM Radio 4 just now the defeated Roy Moor saying 'Remember, God was with us.'
Yuk! WQhat ghastly man.
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So Trump was right all along
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42343054
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I knew we would 100% agree on something one day.
I'm sure we agree on a lot more than you perhaps realise.
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Nice bit of commentary from USA Today: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/12/12/trump-lows-ever-hit-rock-bottom-editorials-debates/945947001/
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goodness knows what it will take to stop him in his tracks short of an assassin's bullet.
Losing at the next general election in 2020 or impeachment.
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Losing at the next general election in 2020 or impeachment.
Ain't going to be impeached.
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Ain't going to be impeached.
Not before the mid term elections, but it could happen after.
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Not before the mid term elections, but it could happen after.
Possibly but it seems to me a big risk for the Dems. Trump could be easily disowned by the Republicans as what the people chose, a semi-Rep and the bitterness of any such procedure could cost as it will take up politics for an age. In order to do it, it cannot be about anything other than a watertight case.
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Possibly but it seems to me a big risk for the Dems. Trump could be easily disowned by the Republicans as what the people chose, a semi-Rep and the bitterness of any such procedure could cost as it will take up politics for an age. In order to do it, it cannot be about anything other than a watertight case.
If there are any reasonable grounds for bringing Trump to trial, a Democrat Congress will impeach him. Their core support will be screaming at them to do it, so not doing it will be an impossibility. The only people who'd be against it are Trump's core support and they aren't voting Democrat anyway.
A Republican congress might do it also - they do not want Trump winning a second term but for them it is obviously more risky because having Trump's core support turn against the GOP would be fatal without an open and shut case.
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If there are any reasonable grounds for bringing Trump to trial, a Democrat Congress will impeach him. Their core support will be screaming at them to do it, so not doing it will be an impossibility. The only people who'd be against it are Trump's core support and they aren't voting Democrat anyway.
A Republican congress might do it also - they do not want Trump winning a second term but for them it is obviously more risky because having Trump's core support turn against the GOP would be fatal without an open and shut case.
I think the second is never going to happen without a desire to lose the next presidential election.
The problem for the first is that they need the same watertight case. There are currently no smoking guns.
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It appears that it would be much easier to remove a British PM than to remove a US president.
given that a PM isn't elected directly that isn't surprising.
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So apparently at 'ministerial level' they think sending Trump to Lewis will sine how be a suitable memorial for the Iolaire.
Fucking witless.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/donald-trumps-uk-visit-could-11690989
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I think the second is never going to happen without a desire to lose the next presidential election.
If they think having Trump in charge is worse than a Democrat they will do it. If they think Trump will definitely lose they will do it. If they think they can win without Trump, they will do it.
All the above does require a pretty strong case that Trump has done something illegal.
The problem for the first is that they need the same watertight case. There are currently no smoking guns.
They need a strong case, it doesn't need to be completely watertight. In fact, if the Democrats have a strong case, they will have to impeach, or be accused of putting politics ahead of justice.
However, I agree that there is currently no smoking gun. Lots of Americans seem pretty optimistic about the Mueller inquiry, but I think that is wishful thinking, there is no evidence that Mueller has got a case against Trump himself at the moment.
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So apparently at 'ministerial level' they think sending Trump to Lewis will sine how be a suitable memorial for the Iolaire.
Fucking witless.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/donald-trumps-uk-visit-could-11690989
Wouldn't that be seen as abject cowardice?
Also, I wouldn't be so confident that they could prevent significant numbers of protestors from turning up.
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My doubt is that in the absence of anything that isn't a watertight case, no intentions work. I see no case so how can he be impeached. No one will touch it without that.
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Wouldn't that be seen as abject cowardice?
Also, I wouldn't be so confident that they could prevent significant numbers of protestors from turning up.
It's pretty well all nonsense but the suggestion the the centenary of the Iolaire might be used in this way is vile.
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My doubt is that in the absence of anything that isn't a watertight case, no intentions work. I see no case so how can he be impeached. No one will touch it without that.
My only disagreement is in your use of the term "watertight". The case has to be strong, but not necessarily watertight.
If there is a case to answer, he must be impeached otherwise that would throw the whole machinery of government into disrepute.
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My only disagreement is in your use of the term "watertight". The case has to be strong, but not necessarily watertight.
If there is a case to answer, he must be impeached otherwise that would throw the whole machinery of government into disrepute.
This may well just be semantics. I can't see it working if this takes x years and we don't understand the charge and the evidence clearly. Currently there is nothing.
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This may well just be semantics. I can't see it working if this takes x years and we don't understand the charge and the evidence clearly. Currently there is nothing.
Well if Mueller does discover evidence of Trump colluding with the Russians, he will have to be impeached. If evidence comes to light that Trump fired James Comey to obstruct the FBI investigation, he will have to be impeached. If there is evidence he is guilty of corruption, he will have to be impeached.
Impeachment, it should be said, is just the first step in the process of removal of the president. He then has to be convicted. Bill Clinton, for example, was impeached for perjury but then acquitted. I guess, on that basis, a Republican congress could impeach in the knowledge that they would then be acquitting the president.
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Well if Mueller does discover evidence of Trump colluding with the Russians, he will have to be impeached. If evidence comes to light that Trump fired James Comey to obstruct the FBI investigation, he will have to be impeached. If there is evidence he is guilty of corruption, he will have to be impeached.
Impeachment, it should be said, is just the first step in the process of removal of the president. He then has to be convicted. Bill Clinton, for example, was impeached for perjury but then acquitted. I guess, on that basis, a Republican congress could impeach in the knowledge that they would then be acquitting the president.
Both of those seem incredibly difficult to prove. If that's what an impeachment is based on unless you get a video of Trump stating that is what he is doing ( which given he has admitted to sexual assault is possible) then nothing, and given he is recorded as admitting or falsely 'claiming' sexual assault not seeing why he doesn't easily survive.
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Both of those seem incredibly difficult to prove.
A single email would be enough to sink him in the Mueller case or testimony from somebody in the know trying to save themselves.
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A single email would be enough to sink him in the Mueller case or testimony from somebody in the know trying to save themselves.
Would it? And the evidence for that is?
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Would it? And the evidence for that is?
An email showing that that Donald Trump colluded with the Russians is, by definition, evidence that Donalds Trump colluded with the Russians. Testimony by somebody who witnessed Donald Trump colluding with the Russians is, by definition, evidence that Donald Trump colluded with the Russians.
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An email showing that that Donald Trump colluded with the Russians is, by definition, evidence that Donalds Trump colluded with the Russians. Testimony by somebody who witnessed Donald Trump colluding with the Russians is, by definition, evidence that Donald Trump colluded with the Russians.
What sort of email would that be that is that clear? That isn't questionable? That doesn't have the question about colluded as a subjective term?
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What sort of email would that be that is that clear?
From: donald.trump@trumptowers
To: vladimir.putin@the.kremlin
Subject: The election
Hi Vlad,
Just to let you know, I won the primary so now is the time to start rigging the election. I'm going to be an awesome president. Great.
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From: donald.trump@trumptowers
To: vladimir.putin@the.kremlin
Subject: The election
Hi Vlad,
Just to let you know, I won the primary so now is the time to start rigging the election. I'm going to be an awesome president. Great.
Which would then have to be proved as real, and tons of his voters would assume it was a conspiracy
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Which would then have to be proved as real, and tons of his voters would assume it was a conspiracy
Proving it real wouldn't be too difficult. If such an email were found, it would almost certainly be in some archive whose providence could be traced.
I think it's more likely that somebody else in the frame for prison time would blab, to be honest.
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I see Trump might get his tax legislation through congress seeing the Senate has passed it. It is more likely to benefit the rich rather than those of much more modest means! >:(
True, Petites Eglantines, no doubt he will argue that the better off will use their increased income to employ more of those of modest means. Wasn't this one of the basic principles of Reaganomics?
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True, Petites Eglantines, no doubt he will argue that the better off will use their increased income to employ more of those of modest means. Wasn't this one of the basic principles of Reaganomics?
I believe it also had the term "Trickledown" attached to it.
It may be just me but that particular theory seems mightily flawed.
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Some dreadful weather in the US and some dreadful thinking in the White House.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42506726
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-42549687
"My nuclear button is bigger than your nuclear button." YE GODS!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:(
Aye. I was chatting with an American friend of mine yesterday evening and she was so apologetic about Trump - she still can't believe he is president. She says there are at least 60% of the population now going around wondering what the fuck they've done.
Things are bad - my friend Mary Ann never swears. I mean in the 40 years I have known her - never.
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Trump and his playground pal will probably be comparing the size of their manhood next, nothing would surprise me! ::)
Yes. Who's is the smaller ...
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He does it this way..... https://tinyurl.com/ydx9e2q7
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20 Iranian dead according to the BBC and Trump is the only one to say anything.
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Trump moving the US embassy triggers howls from world leaders. Twenty deaths in Iran protests, silence.
I wonder how many Iranians are currently locked up, facing beatings and trumped up charges.
Never mind, Trump was once seen putting ketchup on a steak.
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Trump is such a cretin he makes a bad situation worse with his words and actions.
In what way could he make things in Iran worse?
Had he been speaking to the Poles protesting in the communist era, or the protests against apartheid South Africa would it be any different?
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There's a new book coming out in the USA on 9/1/2018. This excerpt makes it sound very interesting
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/01/michael-wolff-fire-and-fury-book-donald-trump.html
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There's a new book coming out in the USA on 9/1/2018. This excerpt makes it sound very interesting
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/01/michael-wolff-fire-and-fury-book-donald-trump.html
Maybe not,
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42570555
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I agree that Trump does not present a very sophisticated, intelligent and statesman like image. He is brash, has knee jerk reactions, populistic and so on.
But on the plus side, he is spontaneous, says what he thinks and takes a common sense approach. That has its freshness and usefulness....however uncomfortable it may make some people feel.
Cautious diplomacy, political correctness, sweet talk and impotent intellectualism can be tiresome.
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Common sense and Trump are an oxymoron! ::)
I suspect that depends on whether you agree with him or not. Common sense is so often simply 'what I think'.
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Maybe not,
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42570555
Yes, I read about all that. It's interesting because the author must have been given permission by the Trump team to access all the people he interviewed. Furthermore, quite a lot of the book has already been published. I suspect we have the beginnings of another Streisand effect example here.
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But on the plus side, he is spontaneous
This is not a good thing when you control the world's biggest arsenal of nuclear weapons.
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This is not a good thing when you control the world's biggest arsenal of nuclear weapons.
When I quickly glanced at your post earlier this morning, part of, "Biggest arsenal", 'read' a bit differently to me ;).
I'm not so sure that spontaneity is such a great quality in a leader, nor that Trump is particularly spontaneous. He's so self-centred and arrogant, can't even laugh at himself and silences anyone who disagrees with him. He's dangerous.
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Trump is cutting Aid to Pakistan because they have been double dealing with him and harboring terrorists all along...! Finally, a US President has seen the Truth! There has to be something good in him I say!
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Trump tweeted he was mentally fit, adding that he was a "genius....and a very stable genius at that".
His behaviour shows that statement to be a lie.
it might show it to be incorrect but it does not show it is a lie.
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It is untrue therefore a lie!
No, a lie is a deliberate untruth. Being incorrect about sonething doesn't mean you are lying.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie
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I hope Trump's nuclear button is a toy one, just to make him feel important!
I doubt he would be able to find the button easily.
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He is asserting that the new embassy is in the wrong place and that the sale of the old building was botched. He is stating that these errors were fault of the Obama regime.
I suspect that none of his lickspittal cronies are prepared to tell him that the decisions were taken before Obama took office.
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The sale seems to have taken place under Obama.
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I have little time for Trump but I do find the idea that the democratically elected head of state of one of our closest allies might not be invited because some people wish to stop it, uncomfortable.
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I have little time for Trump but I do find the idea that the democratically elected head of state of one of our closest allies might not be invited because some people wish to stop it, uncomfortable.
The issue isn't that he hasn't been invited - he has for both state and working visits. The point is that (on this occasion) he has declined to visit, and in the case of the state visit he has kicked it into the long grass.
But on the broader point - certainly for state visits - it is for our country to decide whether, or not, to extend an invite and that should be done sensitively with reference to public opinion. So should the Head of State choose not to extend an invite due to public opinion, so be it (although I think this is pretty unlikely to happen). Moreover, in a democracy that respects freedom of speech it is perfectly reasonable for people to oppose any visit and demonstrate robustly against (within the law) if a controversial leader is invited and comes.
So it actually looks more like Trump is snubbing the UK, rather than the UK is snubbing Trump.
It speaks volumes for our supposed 'special relationship', that Trump has already visits virtually all of his 'key allies' (Germany, France, Italy, Japan, Israel, South Korea, Saudi Arabia, Belgium etc) plus other major powers, most notably China, but hasn't visited the UK.
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The issue isn't that he hasn't been invited - he has for both state and working visits. The point is that (on this occasion) he has declined to visit, and in the case of the state visit he has kicked it into the long grass.
But on the broader point - certainly for state visits - it is for our country to decide whether, or not, to extend an invite and that should be done sensitively with reference to public opinion. So should the Head of State choose not to extend an invite due to public opinion, so be it (although I think this is pretty unlikely to happen). Moreover, in a democracy that respects freedom of speech it is perfectly reasonable for people to oppose any visit and demonstrate robustly against (within the law) if a controversial leader is invited and comes.
Absolutely it is reasonable for people to protest but I would be worried if we simply said that because people will protest and it will cost something in policing, then they shouldn't come as Floo suggested down thread.
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This makes perfect sense.
http://newsthump.com/2018/01/12/donald-trump-cancels-london-trip-after-learning-hed-have-to-go-south-of-the-river/
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Absolutely it is reasonable for people to protest but I would be worried if we simply said that because people will protest and it will cost something in policing, then they shouldn't come as Floo suggested down thread.
But that isn't what has happened is it - he has been invited and it is his decision to turn down the invite and/or kick it into the long grass.
Now that the proposed working visit has been shelved we will be the very last of the G7 countries that Trump visits as President (the only other one not visited currently being Canada, but that will happen in June).
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But that isn't what has happened is it - he has been invited and it is his decision to turn down the invite and/or kick it into the long grass.
I haven't said it is what happened. I am talking about the idea that seems to appear on this thread here and was the subject of the large petition that he either shouldn't be invited or have any such invitation withdrawn. That isn't to say that people can't or indeed shouldn't protest.
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Ahhh... a snowflake president - who would have thunk it.
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This makes perfect sense.
http://newsthump.com/2018/01/12/donald-trump-cancels-london-trip-after-learning-hed-have-to-go-south-of-the-river/
Ah yes, pinching this
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Meanwhile in the Netherlands
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-42657567/us-ambassador-still-can-t-answer-netherlands-questions
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Ahhh... a snowflake president - who would have thunk it.
shitholes! Hahaha , the truth will set you free 👍
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This makes perfect sense.
http://newsthump.com/2018/01/12/donald-trump-cancels-london-trip-after-learning-hed-have-to-go-south-of-the-river/
What is now being marketed as "Nine Elms" is the vicinity of the former Battersea Power Station.
TBH I don't blame President Fart, I would not want to go there either.
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What is now being marketed as "Nine Elms" is the vicinity of the former Battersea Power Station.
TBH I don't blame President Fart, I would not want to go there either.
You are being unnecessarily sniffy about Battersea, Humph. The power station is being redeveloped into a very upmarket location - both residential and commercial. It will house the UK headquarters of Apple. I suspect that President Shit-hole doesn't like the idea because it show up his own inadequacies as a real estate developer.
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What is now being marketed as "Nine Elms" is the vicinity of the former Battersea Power Station.
TBH I don't blame President Fart, I would not want to go there either.
but then surely you would have preferred if the embassy was outside of the 'shithole' of London? ;)
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but then surely you would have preferred if the embassy was outside of the 'shithole' of London? ;)
As far as I am concerned Battersea is outside of the City of London.
Although TBH this is one case of urban regeneration which few could object to. I think that the Americans wanted a custom built Embassy rather than the restrictions that their former home in Belgravia gave them.
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You are being unnecessarily sniffy about Battersea, Humph. The power station is being redeveloped into a very upmarket location - both residential and commercial. It will house the UK headquarters of Apple. I suspect that President Shit-hole doesn't like the idea because it show up his own inadequacies as a real estate developer.
Ok nothing to do with Trump-so we get another Canary Wharf on the south side, is that good?
Yes I know, separate subject.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42757091
The US Government is shutting down, what a mess that country is in all thanks to that idiot Trump. :o Apparently he has been voted the worst president in modern times, now there is a surprise, NOT. ::)
Littleroses, be careful about how you vent your indignation.
The inability of Congress to agree a budget is an occasional occurrence in USA Federal politics. It last happened just a few years ago - in 2013 when government shut down for (I think) 16 days.
Guess who was president then: Barack Obama.
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all thanks to that idiot Trump
This is not true. It has almost nothing whatever to do with Trump.
Apparently he has been voted the worst president in modern times, now there is a surprise, NOT. ::)
Citation needed.
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Littleroses, be careful about how you vent your indignation.
The inability of Congress to agree a budget is an occasional occurrence in USA Federal politics. It last happened just a few years ago - in 2013 when government shut down for (I think) 16 days.
Guess who was president then: Barack Obama.
It's not that occasional.
The fundamental problem seems to be you need 60 votes in the Senate to pass a budget. For various reasons, that isn't happening at the moment. The Democrats are not passing the budget because it is the only leverage they have to prevent the Republicans from doing various other stupid things.
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Looks like the Dems didn't get much in return for caving. It is though still a temporary hold.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news
Trump says he will apologise for supporting the British First racist mob, but he knew nothing about them. Surely any sensible person would have found out about them first! :o
The worst part about that IMHO is not Trump yet again making an idiot of himself, but by giving worldwide publicity to a minor bunch of racist thugs. They call themselves "Kent battalion" , I doubt if they have any other "battalions", unless you count a couple of their mates living in Croydon. I have made my opinions of Fuhrer Golding & his unpleasant other half quite plain across various media,and YES I have attended the local rally against them, it is more risky than one would perhaps think since anybody attending the same may well be recognised by Golding's morons at other times and places.
Believe it or not, the face they showed at their "rally" outside Bromley plod station was actually their more attractive one!
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With any other President the very idea that' US President Donald Trump obtained a restraining order against an adult film actress to prevent her from speaking publicly about their alleged affair, legal documents show' wold I suspect have been news for weeks in the main headlines = but this is part of Trump's 'genius'. Those that hate him just see it as another thing, those who support him as unimportant or fake news.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43327856
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And in these interesting times, the extraordinary continues. Earlier in this thread, I wondered if the very oddness of his approach might work in certain circumstances, perhaps it is working here. I expect a tweet saying 'The fake media called me crazy - crazy like a FOX!!!'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43339901
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And in a week like this, the idea of a trade war seems just another thing.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43340203
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Smoke and mirrors.
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Or ... engage in a who has the bigger ... err ... haircut disaster competition.
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And in these interesting times, the extraordinary continues. Earlier in this thread, I wondered if the very oddness of his approach might work in certain circumstances, perhaps it is working here. I expect a tweet saying 'The fake media called me crazy - crazy like a FOX!!!'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43339901
Quite a diplomatic coup for NK
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And now Tillerson is sacked!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43388723
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And now Tillerson is sacked!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43388723
A bigger turnover than KFC.
You couldn't make it up.
Can you imagine an American author submitting a book based on a Trump-like president with a penchant for emptying his administration every five minutes?
No serious publisher would touch it with a box of hair dye.
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Now there's a surprise, Tillerson supported the UK against Russia over this nerve agent crime.
First of all, despite the some circumstantial evidence, it' s not clear that Russia are responsible. The nerve agent was produced for a long time in Uzbekistan - where there has been a lot of U..S involvement. And that too is merely circumstantial.
Secondly, I am not seeing a huge distancing from the rest of the U.S. govt in its support for May's position so not sure what fuel this is for conspiracy theories.
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Quite a diplomatic coup for NK
Possibly but not sure that is important in Trumpworld. If it stood the nuclear programme then he wins, if it doesn't he tried and had dialogue and then bombs someone. What massive achievement did the previous administration have?
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Possibly but not sure that is important in Trumpworld. If it stood the nuclear programme then he wins, if it doesn't he tried and had dialogue and then bombs someone. What massive achievement did the previous administration have?
I think that this is Trump living in deal-making fantasy land. He believes his own propaganda! From a distance it would seem that Kim Jong-Un is every bit as ... err ... idiosyncratic as Trump and that nothing can be predicted. Trump also runs the risk of alienating China (even further than he has done so far). The potential damage to the greater interests of the USA may be catastrophic.
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I think that this is Trump living in deal-making fantasy land. He believes his own propaganda! From a distance it would seem that Kim Jong-Un is every bit as ... err ... idiosyncratic as Trump and that nothing can be predicted. Trump also runs the risk of alienating China (even further than he has done so far). The potential damage to the greater interests of the USA may be catastrophic.
In what way is that an answer to the question about what the previous administration achieved? I'm not arguing that Trump is successful here but we appear to have no definition of success in which case, being unsuccessful is simply a matter of feeling.
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I would be more than surprised if Russia isn't behind this attempted murder.
Argument by personal incredulity fallacy
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Well we shall see, won't we.
That won't change that your argument was a fallacy
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As is yours!
Which fallacy do you think my argument here is?
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Which fallacy do you think my argument here is?
Is there a fallacy of "arguing without actually putting an argument" ?
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Is there a fallacy of "arguing without actually putting an argument" ?
I don't know. Is this post of mine doing that?
'First of all, despite the some circumstantial evidence, it' s not clear that Russia are responsible. The nerve agent was produced for a long time in Uzbekistan - where there has been a lot of U..S involvement. And that too is merely circumstantial.
Secondly, I am not seeing a huge distancing from the rest of the U.S. govt in its support for May's position so not sure what fuel this is for conspiracy theories.'
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I don't know. Is this post of mine doing that?
'First of all, despite the some circumstantial evidence, it' s not clear that Russia are responsible. The nerve agent was produced for a long time in Uzbekistan - where there has been a lot of U..S involvement. And that too is merely circumstantial.
Secondly, I am not seeing a huge distancing from the rest of the U.S. govt in its support for May's position so not sure what fuel this is for conspiracy theories.'
It is throwing in some information that others may not be aware of, but itself may or may not be relevant and also expressing your own uncertainties and doubts.
LR was not making an argument but expressing her conclusion/belief based on who knows what data.
In any event, we need to apply logic to known facts and act (or not act) in some appropriate timeframe according to our conclusions. Even with the best information we end up making decisions based on "a balance of probabilities" - how we decide to act eventually comes down to instinct, intuition, credulity, empathy, politics, ad pop and probably other fallacious thinking or conditioning.
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It is throwing in some information that others may not be aware of, but itself may or may not be relevant and also expressing your own uncertainties and doubts.
LR was not making an argument but expressing her conclusion/belief based on who knows what data.
In any event, we need to apply logic to known facts and act (or not act) in some appropriate timeframe according to our conclusions. Even with the best information we end up making decisions based on "a balance of probabilities" - how we decide to act eventually comes down to instinct, intuition, credulity, empathy, politics, ad pop and probably other fallacious thinking or conditioning.
Which goes so far down the path of relativism as to make discussion pointless.
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Surely we can share, check and verify facts and logic by discussion, and to an extent share subjective views and feelings, intuitions and emotions?
What we can't do is come to conclusive, complete and consistent, judgements about the morality or suitability of particular actions.
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Surely we can share, check and verify facts and logic by discussion, and to an extent share subjective views and feelings, intuitions and emotions?
What we can't do is come to conclusive, complete and consistent, judgements about the morality or suitability of particular actions.
That I fully agree with but as part of that verifying we can point out where arguments appear wrong and for what reasons.
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Not sure any of this is a 'great day for democracy'.
http://www.newsweek.com/democrats-have-offered-sacked-former-fbi-deputy-chief-andrew-mccabe-two-day-850349
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Brilliant leader, trying to put America first, exactly how a leader should be...
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Brilliant leader, trying to put America first, exactly how a leader should be...
Oh it's so nice to see satire making a return to the board.
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I think he is like a breath of fresh air, which given his name that seems odd..lol
I seriously like the guy as a leader...
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I think he is like a breath of fresh air, which given his name that seems odd..lol
I seriously like the guy as a leader...
Can you explain why?
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I think he is like a breath of fresh air, which given his name that seems odd..lol
I seriously like the guy as a leader...
Really. Wow.
The greatest problem facing the USA internally is the problem of gun deaths, if he was truly putting America and Americans first he's be trying to solve that. Oh but I keep forgetting the NRA have him in their pocket.
If he was putting Americans first he wouldn't be giving tax breaks to the richest and depriving health care to the poorest.
If he was putting Americans first he wouldn't be taking more holidays than any previous US president and incurring the huge costs of his trips to Mar-el Lago which the US taxpayer has to foot. (although it could be argued that he is putting America first in this instance, by virtue of the fact that he is spending less time governing and more time playing golf)
If Trump were the moral leader some seem to think he is, he would not have been consorting with Stormy Daniels.
I could go on, but I have found with Trump supporters an amazing ability to ignore things like evidence and things actually said - have you grabbed any felines lately?
I do find a surprising reluctance on their part to entertain any doubts as to the suitability of the man for the office he holds.
And I wonder how that whole building a wall thing is coming along. A beautiful wall, the most beautiful wall you've ever seen. Oh yes, that the Mexicans are going to pay for.
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Really. Wow.
The greatest problem facing the USA internally is the problem of gun deaths, if he was truly putting America and Americans first he's be trying to solve that. Oh but I keep forgetting the NRA have him in their pocket.
If he was putting Americans first he wouldn't be giving tax breaks to the richest and depriving health care to the poorest.
If he was putting Americans first he wouldn't be taking more holidays than any previous US president and incurring the huge costs of his trips to Mar-el Lago which the US taxpayer has to foot.
If Trump were the moral leader some seem to think he is, he would not have been consorting with Stormy Daniels.
I could go on, but I have found with Trump supporters an amazing ability to ignore things like evidence and things actually said - have you grabbed any felines lately?
I do find a surprising reluctance on their part to entertain any doubts as to the suitability of the man for the office he holds.
And I wonder how that whole building a wall thing is coming along. A beautiful wall, the most beautiful wall you've ever seen. Oh yes, that the Mexicans are going to pay for.
I also heard he sleeps with the devil....lol
I suppose you thought Clinton would have been like snow white and obama wasn't really a bad guy..lol
I wonder if not taking his presidential wage saves some of those travel costs... who knows...
Even the president cannot do what he pleases.. bearing in mind all America seems to have done since his election is work as hard as they ca against him, then scream about his failing..lol, if the linemen stand by and watch a sack is inevitable..
here's a thought why not stand by a DEMOCRATICALLY elected president and see what he can do...
it seems America is as much against democracy as Britain...
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As I have said many times, Trump is a dangerous joke who makes his country looks stupid.
A democratically elected president, the risk of standing against democracy is frightening..
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Democratically elected is debateable, it looks as if he might have had a little help from his pal Putin.
I'm not sure Putin can vote or that many Russians for that matter... :)
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Democratically elected with Hillary Clinton gaining more than 3 million votes than Trump. He won because of an unusual quirk of the American electoral system called the electoral college, and for no other reason.
Did I claim that Bill Clinton was whiter than white, I think you'll find I didn't so that would be a straw man (although I get confused with these terms but someone here will put me right if I am wrong).
I'd not heard about the devil, just Stormy, and the fact that he cheated on his previous wives. All a matter of public record btw. As is the fact that although Obama wasn't a perfect president, at least he isn't a man who disrespects women - and if you really can't see the difference between the two men in that respect then you really are not paying enough attention.
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A democratically elected president, the risk of standing against democracy is frightening..
Democratically elected president? He was elected by an electoral college - not by "the people".
Three million more people voted for his opponent than for him in a rather bizarre popularity poll held before the electoral college's decision.
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I think he is like a breath of fresh air, which given his name that seems odd..lol
I seriously like the guy as a leader...
Might be a breath of air.
"Fresh" might be subjective.
There's a pretty ripe dung heap on the farm next to my street.
When the wind blows in the right direction, it's fresh....ripe, rancid and fly blown.
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Democratically elected with Hillary Clinton gaining more than 3 million votes than Trump. He won because of an unusual quirk of the American electoral system called the electoral college, and for no other reason.
Did I claim that Bill Clinton was whiter than white, I think you'll find I didn't so that would be a straw man (although I get confused with these terms but someone here will put me right if I am wrong).
I'd not heard about the devil, just Stormy, and the fact that he cheated on his previous wives. All a matter of public record btw. As is the fact that although Obama wasn't a perfect president, at least he isn't a man who disrespects women - and if you really can't see the difference between the two men in that respect then you really are not paying enough attention.
could this quirk have worked for clinton, the fact is Trump is president and America and Americans have a choice, help make it a good choice or shoot your own country in the foot...
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could this quirk have worked for clinton, the fact is Trump is president and America and Americans have a choice, help make it a good choice or shoot your own country in the foot...
No it didn't work for Clinton:
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/9/13572112/trump-popular-vote-loss
As you can see in recent times it has worked for Trump and Bush. Both Republicans.
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......and the merry-go-round goes on. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43509695?ocid=socialflow_facebook&ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbcnews&ns_source=facebook
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Really. Wow.
The greatest problem facing the USA internally is the problem of gun deaths, if he was truly putting America and Americans first he's be trying to solve that. Oh but I keep forgetting the NRA have him in their pocket.
I disagree. The biggest problem facing the USA internally is the problem of providing universal healthcare. Vastly more Americans die each year because of the USA's healthcare system than do from gun violence. Unfortuately, president Fuckwit is making the situation worse.
The second biggest problem is the pressure under which the US public education system finds itself. Again, Trump is making the situation worse.
If the objective is to make the USA a feudal state with a small elite of rich educated people and a large class of serfs to do the drudge work for little reward and then dies before they become economically unproductive, Trump is doing very well. However,, most Americans will be in the serf class, not the elite and it won't be fun.
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The most disturbing thing about this is how it doesn't seem disturbing any more
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-43747922
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It also seems bizarre that the world is now waiting for some more erratic tweets from Trump. Will it be war or no war? Did he have a good night, or is he in a bad mood? It's a bit like waiting for some Roman emperor to hand down his judgments. Presumably, Mrs May is tuned into the twittersphere, to see what happens next.
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Meanwhile it's just business as usual....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43755990
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So if Trump manages to bring about some reconciliation on the Korean peninsula does he get the Nobel peace prize?
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So if Trump manages to bring about some reconciliation on the Korean peninsula does he get the Nobel peace prize?
Better deserved in that case than Obama
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Better deserved in that case than Obama
Yes my thoughts exactly. Funny old world.
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So if Trump manages to bring about some reconciliation on the Korean peninsula does he get the Nobel peace prize?
Well, If Henry Kissinger and Menachem Begin can win it, why not Trump? The Nobel Peace Prize lost all credibility long ago.
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Depends what favours they can do for eachother.
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Sanctions? What sanctions?
http://www.krdo.com/news/politics/trump-decided-to-abandon-plans-for-more-russia-sanctions/731501509
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He's coming here within three months:-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43913414
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Should be the 12th for an orange man.
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Should be the 12th for an orange man.
'Bang a drum for Donald' would make a great slogan, and after all he's surely already a paid-up member of the 'orange' order.
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So it is going to be the greatest visit ever according to the turd that is the Foreign Secretary. What a bunch of dangerous fuckwits we have as as a govt!
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And here you have the Tory view of their 'precious union' in a nutshell. We don't want Trump cluttering up our nice city with those nasty demos - send him to Scotland instead.... Aye, right.....and we won't protest here? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-43908976
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Balloons will be available
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamieross/the-ballooning-of-donald-trump
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'Bang a drum for Donald' would make a great slogan, and after all he's surely already a paid-up member of the 'orange' order.
I blame the Billyites for a lot - but not even they would accep a bigoted, mysoginistic, somewhat erratic, undiscilined....oh, hang on - Spot on,
Gordon.
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I love the way those miserable bastards all have "LOL" on their sashes.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/grasp-nettle-on-ending-twelfth-parade-disputes-orange-order-1.2717108
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They are a very sick organisation of which NI should be ashamed. >:(
You think that the group is an NI problem only?
Really?
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You think that the group is an NI problem only?
Really?
LR didn't say that. Read people's posts properly before coming on all superior and patronising.
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And here you have the Tory view of their 'precious union' in a nutshell. We don't want Trump cluttering up our nice city with those nasty demos - send him to Scotland instead.... Aye, right.....and we won't protest here? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-43908976
That’s not the Tory view. Stop lying and quit with that tedious chip on your shoulder.
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That’s not the Tory view. Stop lying and quit with that tedious chip on your shoulder.
Have you ever visited "Trump Turnberry"?
The locals, who once patronised its' facilities, won't touch it wirth a ten foot barge pole.
The so-called business genious has managed to alienete a populace which is desperate for employment in a very hard pressed rural area. MY own presbytery of the Kirk - which has Turnberry within its' bounds - has expressed deep concern on this matter on several occasions.
So, yes, you bet there will be demos...most of them from disgruntled locals who used to use the facilities.
His organisation has actually banned one disabled group, and quadrupled the fees for another, thus stoppiong them using his facility.
Demos? Yes - you bet!
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Have you ever visited "Trump Turnberry"?
The locals, who once patronised its' facilities, won't touch it wirth a ten foot barge pole.
The so-called business genious has managed to alienete a populace which is desperate for employment in a very hard pressed rural area. MY own presbytery of the Kirk - which has Turnberry within its' bounds - has expressed deep concern on this matter on several occasions.
So, yes, you bet there will be demos...most of them from disgruntled locals who used to use the facilities.
His organisation has actually banned one disabled group, and quadrupled the fees for another, thus stoppiong them using his facility.
Demos? Yes - you bet!
What’s that got to do with your claim that the Tories were trying to push him up to Scotland? You really can’t blame the English for what he did to Scotland, although you do have my sympathies because he is a blight on everything he touches.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43970908
Trump's doctor claims it was Trump who wrote the letter claiming he was in excellent health, which he purported came from the medic. Surprise, surprise.
Let's hope he is right. If Trump pegs out,, we'll be left with President Pence.
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Would he be any worse?
Yes.
Pence is a far right conservative Christian and also a mildly competent politician. That means he has some obnoxious ideas (at least in the eyes of those of us with less extreme views) and a chance of actually getting them implemented.
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I am aware of that, but is he any worse than Trump who is loony tunes, to say the least?
And he's a politician.
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There are some good politicians, like my father, who was well thought of. There is a portait to his memory in a prominent place in my home island.
There are many portraits of politicians, statues too - doesn't mean that were good at anything other than being remembered.
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Thank you for that! ::) However, my father was well thought of as he did an excellent job in the posts in which he held office. Even the Queen sent a rep to his funeral.
The point is nothing to do with your father. It's to do with saying that because there is a portrait, a statue, or a rep from the Queen, doesn't mean that the person is good for anything else than being remembered.
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This week Donald Trump’s former doctor, Harold Bornstein, prepared a formal letter about the president’s health which he says was dictated by Mr Trump.
Shouldn’t he be struck off?
Also, to say that having Mr Trump’s medical records taken away left him feeling ‘raped’ is a ridiculous statement.
Medical professional? I think not!
:o
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This week Donald Trump’s former doctor, Harold Bornstein, prepared a formal letter about the president’s health which he says was dictated by Mr Trump.
Shouldn’t he be struck off?
Also, to say that having Mr Trump’s medical records taken away left him feeling ‘raped’ is a ridiculous statement.
Medical professional? I think not!
:o
So his challenge should be ignored?
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I am aware of that, but is he any worse than Trump who is loony tunes, to say the least?
Yes.
Can you understand the difference between having bad ideas but being too incompetent to get them implemented and having bad ideas and being competent enough to get them implemented?
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And just when I thought Trump couldn't get anymore loonie!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44007312
Why do you think that making a speech that many of his supporters will love is anything other than good politics?
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Simple retort. Hospitals with blood on floor vs Schools with blood on floor.
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He made the retort in a speech to the NRA. His version of preaching to the converted.
I hope he gets the public welcome he deserves when he arrives in London.
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Randy Rainbow strikes again:
https://youtu.be/rLtEaZtz1E4
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If you were negotiating some deal with the USA on behalf of your country, how would you convince your parliament that the USA can be trusted not to renege on its commitments?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44045957
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I think our Government is very unhappy about Trump's dangerous stupidity over Iran, and doesn't need any convincing.
Was that in answer to my question? If it was,, you missed the point.
There's two aspects to Trump's decision. There's the obvious one about how dangerous and stupid it is in terms of Iran getting hold of nuclear weapons. But there is another issue - perhaps as dangerous in the long term - in that it appears you cannot do any kind of deal with the USA because the next president could just overturn it.
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Sorry I didn't get the point of your question, I thought you were referring to the idiot who is the preseent incumbent of the White House.
There's that too. It might not be the next president, it might be the current one in the case of Trump who seems to change his mind on a whim.
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Isn't there another factor?
I have heard on the radio someone suggest that Trump may make it awkward for any other country trading with Iran to trade with the USA. So, for instance, Airbus, with operations in (at least) France, UK, Germany and Spain - with a holding company, EADS, based in the Netherlands may find it difficult to get components made in the USA. In addition, as was the case briefly with Bombardier of Canada, Airbus products may be hit with a 200% tariff.
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Isn't there another factor?
I have heard on the radio someone suggest that Trump may make it awkward for any other country trading with Iran to trade with the USA. So, for instance, Airbus, with operations in (at least) France, UK, Germany and Spain - with a holding company, EADS, based in the Netherlands may find it difficult to get components made in the USA. In addition, as was the case briefly with Bombardier of Canada, Airbus products may be hit with a 200% tariff.
Yes, I read this somewhere too. It seems to be about a trade war as much as any kind of moral position. The problem is that Trump is actually a really shit businessman and doesn't realise he’s heading for ruining the economies of both his own country and the world as a whole; against a background of seeing Iran dash back towards nuclear arms (followed by Saudi?) and Russia throwing its weight around this seems even more insane.
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Also the idea that Trump wants regime change in Iran is circulating among journos. This sounds crazy to me, but I think the plan is not so much military, as economic. In other words, the US will now implement intense sanctions against Iran, bringing about conflict within the country, and the rise of an opposition to take power. However, it may well have the opposite effect, that is, helping the hard-liners regain influence, and producing intense Iranian patriotism.
Military solutions seem crazy, although I suppose that Israel may act as a proxy, attacking Iranian positions in Syria, attacking Hezbollah, and so on.
Wow, is this dangerous, or what? There is a joke about regime change, which regime might fall?
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In other words, the US will now implement intense sanctions against Iran, bringing about conflict within the country, and the rise of an opposition to take power. However, it may well have the opposite effect, that is, helping the hard-liners regain influence, and producing intense Iranian patriotism.
Oh dear.
Doesn't the orange headed idiot president realise that there are no "normal" politics in Iran? The "government" is only a front. The real power is held by a bunch of clerics who have a band of youthful zealots prepared to use violence to enforce the clerics' will.
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He'd pay the polygraph examiner ,telling him to name his price!
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44143960
It would be very entertaining to see Trump featured on the ghastly Jeremy Kyle show, having taken a lie detector test regarding his 'affair' the porn star Stormy Daniels. No doubt he would say the test was wrong, if it revealed he was telling porkies! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Unfortunately, the test could well be wrong. Lie-detectors are little better than guesswork at detecting lies, which why results from them are not admissible as evidence in court. They are a con trick, really: the person taking one thinks they work, and is thus deterred from lying; or an accused person knows that they don't work, and offers to take one, knowing that they can still get away with lying through their teeth.
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https://liedetectortesting.co.uk/how-accurate-is-a-lie-detector-test/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI8cmrk72R2wIVzrXtCh1eqQ7-EAAYAiAAEgLXO_D_BwE
Although no forensic testing of any kind can be guaranteed to be 100% accurate, research gathered by The American Polygraph Association has suggested that qualified polygraph examiners can achieve an accuracy of 95% to 98% when an examination is conducted in an accurate manner, with issue-specific questions and using validated polygraph techniques.
I'm thinking of as number. You pick a number between 1 and 20 and if it's the same as mine you go to prison for the rest of your life. Do you want to play that game?
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Well, well, well......
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44242558
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Well, well, well......
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44242558
Not remotely surprised, and now he has decided to start a trade war with his closest allies.
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Not remotely surprised, and now he has decided to start a trade war with his closest allies.
Although he has, of course, changed tack again on the summit.
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Of course - he is not a strategist. He operates in the short term - he is a "deal maker". And the deal can change from day to day.
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And for his own supporters he is doing very well
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44324545
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And for his own supporters he is doing very well
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44324545
Yes, this is why he will not be impeached.
It's been said that, in the current climate, Nixon would get away with Watergate.
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And in further news:
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/united-states-un-human-rights_uk_5b293c0ce4b0f0b9e9a5e0fc?5ev
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I read a recent tweet from Trump talking of Democrats who are telling "phoney stories of sadness and grief", in relation to children being separated from parents. This stuff is scary; I am thinking of how the Jews were treated in the 30s. How do the Christians who vote Trump sleep at night?
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Yes, Fox News had a woman saying these kids are actors reading ‘scripts given to them by liberals’.
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I wonder if Christians who support him, genuinely think It's fake news, or that you have to crack down on immigration, and removing children is necessary? It's what Jesus would want, after all.
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I think there’s a perception of scarcity. Trump fuels that by making others the enemy, even those who have been friends. I guess living your enemies doesn’t extend to treating them with humanity.
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It's what Jesus would want, after all.
Indeed. Suffer the little children.
Trump probably thinks he is approaching sainthood by making children suffer!
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Indeed. Suffer the little children.
Trump probably thinks he is approaching sainthood by making children suffer!
No doubt. >:(
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Trump and Elton John
https://www.intomore.com/culture/so-it-seems-like-trump-is-obsessed-with-elton-john
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Hope Elton doesn't reciprocate!
(The fact that Trump doesn't have an organ explains a lot.)
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Now the Orange Oaf has decided to interfere in domestic UK politics. If May were not the gutless incompetent that she is, then she would terminate his visit to this country immediately and order the departure of him and his entourage.
She should follow the example of Lester Pearson, who in 1967, encouraged Charles de Gaulle to leave Canada following his "vive le Quebec livre" speech in Montreal.
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The Queen's Guard of Honour should escort Trump to the Tower, OFF WITH HIS HEAD! >:(
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Just realised how easy it is to get from my gaffe to Turnberry... And the weather's fine as well. Might go for a walk later.
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After slagging May off in the Sun yesterday, Trump was in love with her again at lunchtime! ::)
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After slagging May off in the Sun yesterday, Trump was in love with her again at lunchtime! ::)
In the sun! And showing how news reports have to be taken in context!!
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In the sun! And showing how news reports have to be taken in context!!
But they had it taped as well and people were able to hear the idiot's exact words.
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Now the Orange Oaf has decided to interfere in domestic UK politics. If May were not the gutless incompetent that she is, then she would terminate his visit to this country immediately and order the departure of him and his entourage.
She should follow the example of Lester Pearson, who in 1967, encouraged Charles de Gaulle to leave Canada following his "vive le Quebec livre" speech in Montreal.
No, by taking such action, she would lower this country to the non-diplomatic, conceited, ignorant, etc attitude of Trump. Did you hear the interview on 'Today' this morning with a man well up in the diplomacy side of things who explained clearly why the visit must go ahead as planned?
Anyway, I reckon the Queen will give him a look which will put im in his place! :)
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No, by taking such action, she would lower this country to the non-diplomatic, conceited, ignorant, etc attitude of Trump. Did you hear the interview on 'Today' this morning with a man well up in the diplomacy side of things who explained clearly why the visit must go ahead as planned?
Anyway, I reckon the Queen will give him a look which will put im in his place! :)
She certainly would if he tried to get touchy feely with her. ;D
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But they had it taped as well and people were able to hear the idiot's exact words.
Well he didn't slag her off.
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Well he didn't slag her off.
Yes he did.
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Yes he did.
Please provide quote please.
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Please provide quote please.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6766531/trump-may-brexit-us-deal-off/
It was not only put in print it was recorded as well.
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6766531/trump-may-brexit-us-deal-off/
It was not only put in print it was recorded as well.
If you look in a dictionary at what "slag off" means you will discover that nowhere in the interview does he do that; ironically it's you who is slagging him off!
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If you look in a dictionary at what "slag off" means you will discover that nowhere in the interview does he do that; ironically it's you who is slagging him off!
To slag off means to criticise and he was criticising May in no uncertain terms. I make no apologies for criticising that ghastly man who is a danger to our planet.
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slag somebody ↔ off phrasal verb British English informal
to criticize someone in an unpleasant way, especially when this is unfair
He’s always slagging her off behind her back.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.ldoceonline.com/amp/english/slag-off
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He said nuclear weapons are the biggest problem the world has. That maybe one day they could be eliminated for good.
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He said nuclear weapons are the biggest problem the world has. That maybe one day they could be eliminated for good.
He says a lot of things then the next second the idiot retracts them, like when he was threatening to nuke North Korea.
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I don't swear, on or off forum....but some of the posters in Glasgow's George square last night were brilliant. There's a phrase we use here to indicate that, basically, we're all the same under the skin, to which a protester added.... the banner said as follows; "We're a' Jock Tamson's bairns... Except Trump - he's a b*****d" Well, someone knows the meaning of the word, then......
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I wonder why illegitimacy is still considered a swear word.
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I wonder why illegitimacy is still considered a swear word.
Especially as Jesus was supposedly the illegitimate son of god.
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Especially as Jesus was supposedly the illegitimate son of god.
The French call William the Conqueror “William the Bastard”, mainly because he was illegitimate but also partly because he was a bastard.
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Do the anti Trump protests actually achieve anything? They must cost a lot in terms of resources.
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Do the anti Trump protests actually achieve anything? They must cost a lot in terms of resources.
Peaceful protest is a necessary part of democracy.
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Peaceful protest is a necessary part of democracy.
And while I agree, not sure that's what Rhiannon was getting at. In proper Life of Brian terms we have to have the right to peaceful protest but that doesn't mean any, or all actually achieve anything. With the Trump protests, I don't really see what was being aimed at.
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I see that Trump has blamed the bad relationship between U.S. and Russian 'many years of U.S. foolishness and stupidity'. And the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs has agreed.
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Trump seems to have built bridges with North Korea and with Russia. That's more than his predecessors did.
I guess a bit of brusque action is better than a lot of sophisticated... talk...talk...
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Trump seems to have built bridges with North Korea and with Russia. That's more than his predecessors did.
I guess a bit of brusque action is better than a lot of sophisticated... talk...talk...
Supports a rogue state murdering people in the UK, and a dictatorial regime that suppresses its own people. If only be had been about in the 2nd World War, he could have built bridges with Hitler and maybe sold him some bombs.
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Putin is the one who is in the driving seat, not his bestie, Trump. ::)
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Building bridges with Russia, by shitting on Obama, NATO, the EU, etc.
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Likes people who buys bombs and lock up journalists because they do things the right way
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-fist-bumped-turkish-leader-erdogan-said-he-does-things-the-right-way/
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Paul Ryan has just slagged off POTUS.
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As indeed have lots of Republicans. And even Fox News presenters.
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Still has very strong approval rating amongst Republicans
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-approval-rating-2018-1004364
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That was before today.
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That was before today.
Yes, but until there is a drop it remains what we have as a guide. I doubt that those who support him trust the CIA and I think they will see Ryan as yesterday's man. So let's see if it makes any difference
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Incredibly enough, an alleged Russian agent has been arrested, just as Trump seems to state that he believes Putin more than his own intelligence agencies.
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Seems like the mob just want a scapegoat. I've been to the US 5 times and understand a bit about the American way. Trump reminds me of all that was great about the country, particularly his optimism. What a breath of fresh air.
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Especially as Jesus was supposedly the illegitimate son of god.
That's the sort of completely irrelevant, gratuitously offensive, and fucking stupid comment we've come to expect from you.
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Seems like the mob just want a scapegoat. I've been to the US 5 times and understand a bit about the American way. Trump reminds me of all that was great about the country, particularly his optimism. What a breath of fresh air.
Are you sure that we are discussing the same Trump?
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That's the sort of completely irrelevant, gratuitously offensive, and fucking stupid comment we've come to expect from you.
Glad it pleased you! ;D If you read the Bible you will discover the claim that Jesus was not the child of Joseph Mary's husband.
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Trump has made such an idiot of himself sucking up to Putin, even Republicans think he has lost it.
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Seems like the mob just want a scapegoat. I've been to the US 5 times and understand a bit about the American way. Trump reminds me of all that was great about the country, particularly his optimism. What a breath of fresh air.
Spud, I grew up around Americans and he bears no resemblance to them.
Trump isn't an optimist. He sells optimism and then lines his own nest knowing ha he will have made enough for it not to affect him when the shit hits.
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Incredibly enough, an alleged Russian agent has been arrested, just as Trump seems to state that he believes Putin more than his own intelligence agencies.
Yes, the same agencies that told us Saddam still had WMD's. Even if Russia did interfere in the presidential election I don't blame Russia for looking after its own interests. The US has been doing it for decades, the most recent example being Ukraine.
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Yes, the same agencies that told us Saddam still had WMD's. Even if Russia did interfere in the presidential election I don't blame Russia for looking after its own interests. The US has been doing it for decades, the most recent example being Ukraine.
I don't think you can 'blame' Russia for being Russia. But what Trump is doing ...treason just about covers it.
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I don't think you can 'blame' Russia for being Russia. But what Trump is doing ...treason just about covers it.
Agreed.
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Randy Rainbow gets better and better. Worthy of William Schwenck:
https://youtu.be/k-LTRwZb35A
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And while I agree, not sure that's what Rhiannon was getting at. In proper Life of Brian terms we have to have the right to peaceful protest but that doesn't mean any, or all actually achieve anything. With the Trump protests, I don't really see what was being aimed at.
I guess they wanted him to know how much everybody hates him.
And what it achieves is a demonstration that Britain is not yet a police state, that democracy is not dead here.
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Trump seems to have built bridges with North Korea and with Russia. That's more than his predecessors did.
You know there are reasons why they didn't?
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I guess they wanted him to know how much everybody hates him.
And what it achieves is a demonstration that Britain is not yet a police state, that democracy is not dead here.
It also achieves the effect of supporting people in the US who are feeling bigly threatened at the moment. I was speaking with friends in Mississipi yesterday and they were very pleased that some of the Uk were demonstrating against Trump. I dont think some people here are fully aware of what is potentially coming down the track in terms of individuals rights in the States.
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I guess they wanted him to know how much everybody hates him.
And what it achieves is a demonstration that Britain is not yet a police state, that democracy is not dead here.
But we know that.
Funny you should mention the police. I was reading about the impact on the police. They were dealing with Trump's visit, the WC, and then the protests on top. That comes out of police budgets for dealing with the everyday things that impact people. And the accommodation that frontline officers got during the visit and protests were mattresses on a floor.
I dont think anyone can be in any doubt that we aren't a police state, and that we still cling onto at leats a veneer of democracy; we regularly have protests, there was an anti-Brexit one a few weeks' ago. But Trump is not the kind of person to be cowed by people hating him; like any narcissist it won't result in a period of self-reflection, but rage, hate and a determination to be even more himself and to do more of the things that people don't like. In that sense I fear the protests won't just be ineffective, but counter productive.
And the Trump baby blimp reminds me of the trend for signing petitions and then thinking that your bit is done; the crowdfunding for that could have been put into refugee relief or donated to any number of non profits Stateside, but instead we opted for a self-congratulatory empty gesture.
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For those who have twitter, the long thread on how the Queen snubbed Trump silently with brooches.
https://mobile.twitter.com/SamuraiKnitter/status/1018570246037352449
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It also achieves the effect of supporting people in the US who are feeling bigly threatened at the moment. I was speaking with friends in Mississipi yesterday and they were very pleased that some of the Uk were demonstrating against Trump. I dont think some people here are fully aware of what is potentially coming down the track in terms of individuals rights in the States.
I do follow it, Trent, and it is alarming. As I have just said though, I think the resources could have been better employed elsewhere. In a way I'm pleased that we protested too. But short term pleasure doesn't achieve much. The effort put in could have been channelled towards something that actually produces more tangible results. And as I said, Trump will react by being more Trump, it's what his kind do.
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For those who have twitter, the long thread on how the Queen snubbed Trump silently with brooches.
https://mobile.twitter.com/SamuraiKnitter/status/1018570246037352449
Can be read without having Twitter.
Every now and then the queen rocks.
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I do follow it, Trent, and it is alarming. As I have just said though, I think the resources could have been better employed elsewhere. In a way I'm pleased that we protested too. But short term pleasure doesn't achieve much. The effort put in could have been channelled towards something that actually produces more tangible results. And as I said, Trump will react by being more Trump, it's what his kind do.
To an extent I agree. But as was pointed out elsewhere on social media (Godwin approaching) appeasement has been tried before and was proven lacking. I also do think the support it gives others across the pond should not be underestimated and from that pov I think it was worth it.
Quite how to deal with this particularly gross distortion of manchild I'm not sure. And I'm not sure anybody else is sure either.
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To an extent I agree. But as was pointed out elsewhere on social media (Godwin approaching) appeasement has been tried before and was proven lacking. I also do think the support it gives others across the pond should not be underestimated and from that pov I think it was worth it.
Quite how to deal with this particularly gross distortion of manchild I'm not sure. And I'm not sure anybody else is sure either.
What on earth makes you think I was even beginning to suggest appeasement as a solution?
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What on earth makes you think I was even beginning to suggest appeasement as a solution?
Apologies, didn't mean to. I was following a line of thought prompted by the aforementioned social media post. But just what is the solution? Ignore him he'll do what he wants. Demonstrate, he'll do what he wants. Point out he's lying, fake news. Point out his actual recorded words, fake news. I don't see a way of deposing this repugnant excuse for a human being. Although that being said his Helsinki performance does appear to be causing some to pause for thought.
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Apologies, didn't mean to. I was following a line of thought prompted by the aforementioned social media post. But just what is the solution? Ignore him he'll do what he wants. Demonstrate, he'll do what he wants. Point out he's lying, fake news. Point out his actual recorded words, fake news. I don't see a way of deposing this repugnant excuse for a human being. Although that being said his Helsinki performance does appear to be causing some to pause for thought.
I spent a lot of my life trying to manage a person like Trump. They will just say that black is white and some people will fall for it. In the end the only way to deal with it is to remove it from your life.
I strongly suspect that the US intelligence services will deal with the Trump problem one way or another.
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Apologies, didn't mean to. I was following a line of thought prompted by the aforementioned social media post. But just what is the solution? Ignore him he'll do what he wants.
Possibly, though it's not a given. Just a day or two ago, somebody on the steam-driven wireless was saying that as the malignant narcissist that he is, pretty much the only way of needling him is to ignore him; simply to look the other way and not give him the attention he craves.
I'll defend the right to peaceful protest to the last ditch, but the protests in that regard may well have been counter-productive. Trump is precisely the sort of arse who sees large-scale, clearly organised protests against him and takes that as confirmation that since these are people he hates, he's doing the right thing.
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Possibly, though it's not a given. Just a day or two ago, somebody on the steam-driven wireless was saying that as the malignant narcissist that he is, pretty much the only way of needling him is to ignore him; simply to look the other way and not give him the attention he craves.
I'll defend the right to peaceful protest to the last ditch, but the protests in that regard may well have been counter-productive. Trump is precisely the sort of arse who sees large-scale, clearly organised protests against him and takes that as confirmation that since these are people he hates, he's doing the right thing.
Exactly. The constructive thing to do is focus on the things that make a tangible difference. The blimp money going to free medical care non profits in the States instead would have been a start.
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I spent a lot of my life trying to manage a person like Trump. They will just say that black is white and some people will fall for it. In the end the only way to deal with it is to remove it from your life.
I strongly suspect that the US intelligence services will deal with the Trump problem one way or another.
He's coming up for 2 years in the job. In about another 20 months, we will be back in campaign mode. Any legal process of remove will likely take that ling. If there is another method then that would be disastrous all round. And with any method we end up with President Pence.
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Some responses sound very rational to me. But Trump isn't a rational being, and people feel enraged, frightened, upset, by him, and their response is not going to be rational. Well, politics isn't. For example, if you have fascists on the streets in the US, (emboldened by Trump), do we just sit at home and anayze it?
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Some responses sound very rational to me. But Trump isn't a rational being, and people feel enraged, frightened, upset, by him, and their response is not going to be rational. Well, politics isn't. For example, if you have fascists on the streets in the US, (emboldened by Trump), do we just sit at home and anayze it?
Surely though that's a false dichotomy? The choices aren't flying a blimp balloon or sit at home?
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Some responses sound very rational to me. But Trump isn't a rational being, and people feel enraged, frightened, upset, by him, and their response is not going to be rational. Well, politics isn't. For example, if you have fascists on the streets in the US, (emboldened by Trump), do we just sit at home and anayze it?
My great uncle got the shit kicked out of him by blackshirts marching for Moseley when he tried to intervene. Not sure it really achieved much though.
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He's coming up for 2 years in the job. In about another 20 months, we will be back in campaign mode. Any legal process of remove will likely take that ling. If there is another method then that would be disastrous all round. And with any method we end up with President Pence.
Are we still convinced Pence is scarier?
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I had missed this one of Trump's lies
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/396630-trump-falsely-claims-for-third-time-that-reagan-didnt-win-wisconsin
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Are we still convinced Pence is scarier?
Comparing track records, many are.
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Are we still convinced Pence is scarier?
In that I still think he could achieve more that I would dislike yes.
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But we know that.
Funny you should mention the police. I was reading about the impact on the police. They were dealing with Trump's visit, the WC, and then the protests on top. That comes out of police budgets for dealing with the everyday things that impact people. And the accommodation that frontline officers got during the visit and protests were mattresses on a floor.
So what do you propose? People keep their feelings to themselves because protest is expensive for the state?
I dont think anyone can be in any doubt that we aren't a police state,
And yet here you are objecting to peaceful protest.
But Trump is not the kind of person to be cowed by people hating him; like any narcissist it won't result in a period of self-reflection, but rage, hate and a determination to be even more himself and to do more of the things that people don't like. In that sense I fear the protests won't just be ineffective, but counter productive.
The only way to deal with Trump is first for the American voters to vote Republicans out of congress later this year and Trump out of the White House in 2020. I do not know whether these demonstrations will help or hinder that process but I do know that censoring legitimate protest because you think it won't achieve anything and because you think it is too expensive is a really bad idea for democracy.
Is there going to be a panel to decide which protests are cost effective and should therefore be allowed? Who's going to be on it?
And the Trump baby blimp reminds me of the trend for signing petitions and then thinking that your bit is done; the crowdfunding for that could have been put into refugee relief or donated to any number of non profits Stateside, but instead we opted for a self-congratulatory empty gesture.
People recently spent thousand of pounds to go and watch grown men kick balls around fields. Shouldn't they have donated that money to charity instead?
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Hang on, Jeremy, that is bang out of order, I didn't object to the peaceful protest, I questioned whether it was counter productive and the resources better used elsewhere. I'd like an apology for that. There's no point in engaging with the rest of your argument of you are just going to indulge in wilful misrepresentation.
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Hang on, Jeremy, that is bang out of order, I didn't object to the peaceful protest,
Well that is what it looks like from your post, so no, it's not bang out of order.
I questioned whether it was counter productive and the resources better used elsewhere.
i.e. you were objecting to a peaceful protest.
I'd like an apology for that.
I'm not apologising for what I see as an accurate interpretation of your posts. Perhaps you would like to explain how saying people should not protest because a) it has no real effect and b) costs the tax payer money is not objecting to the protest.
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Well that is what it looks like from your post, so no, it's not bang out of order.i.e. you were objecting to a peaceful protest.
I'm not apologising for what I see as an accurate interpretation of your posts. Perhaps you would like to explain how saying people should not protest because a) it has no real effect and b) costs the tax payer money is not objecting to the protest.
But you accused me of supporting a 'police state'. That isn't objecting to one specific protest (and I question it, not object to it). You are accusing me of objecting to the right to peaceful protest full stop. And for that I want an apology.
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Well that is what it looks like from your post, so no, it's not bang out of order.i.e. you were objecting to a peaceful protest.
I'm not apologising for what I see as an accurate interpretation of your posts. Perhaps you would like to explain how saying people should not protest because a) it has no real effect and b) costs the tax payer money is not objecting to the protest.
Rhi is quite right. Questioning the usefulness or effectiveness of a protest isn't the same as saying it shouldn't have happened and it sure as shit isn't a call for censorship - which word you used, not her, AFAIK.
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My great uncle got the shit kicked out of him by blackshirts marching for Moseley when he tried to intervene. Not sure it really achieved much though.
Well, I have been impressed by women's opposition to Trump in the US. They used their imagination and creativity on the streets, and also in the media, to oppose misogyny, and white supremacism.
I thought that the battle of Cable Street was a big setback for fascism in the UK.
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Well, I have been impressed by women's opposition to Trump in the US. They used their imagination and creativity on the streets, and also in the media, to oppose misogyny, and white supremacism.
I thought that the battle of Cable Street was a big setback for fascism in the UK.
And the efforts of women in the US feels like something tangible to me. It's taking the fight to where it is needed.
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Well that is what it looks like from your post, so no, it's not bang out of order.i.e. you were objecting to a peaceful protest.
I'm not apologising for what I see as an accurate interpretation of your posts. Perhaps you would like to explain how saying people should not protest because a) it has no real effect and b) costs the tax payer money is not objecting to the protest.
Reads like a complete misinterpretation of what Rhiannon said. She questioned one specific protest on a cost benefit issue, didn't say it should be banned. didn't object to the right to hold it, and didn't say there should be some restriction based on cost.
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And the efforts of women in the US feels like something tangible to me. It's taking the fight to where it is needed.
And is about specific issues, not just We Hate Trump.
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Spud, I grew up around Americans and he bears no resemblance to them.
Trump isn't an optimist. He sells optimism and then lines his own nest knowing ha he will have made enough for it not to affect him when the shit hits.
I hear he is blessed with several skyscrapers, yes... I guess someone's got to own them though. In the 80's I did some work experience at West Palm Beach airport, with Missionary Flights International. Was there about a month, couldn't believe the ice cream, 50 channel TV etc I went on a couple of flights to Haiti in a DC 3, once with passengers (missionaries) and the other time with freight. Also learned how to fly a Cessna!
Anyway, just googled Missionary Flights International Donald Trump, and found this from Facebook:
There are many things that go unreported. In the 90's Donald Trump donated the generator that had been purchased for Mar-a-Lago, and had very few hours on it, to Missionary Flights International. Our speaker, Capt. Ken Gumpel, a pilot for MFI, spoke at our Primetimers luncheon yesterday. He said that generator was so large it had to be dismantled and flown to Haiti in several flights and powered an entire city until now, when they finally got power. Thank you, Lord.
One of the DC 3 pilots, a Christian, drove me to Miami to fly home, and at one point shouted out, "stick it in your ear" to another driver who was getting impatient in a queue for the road tolls.
So I think you can justify being a bit brusque sometimes.
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And the efforts of women in the US feels like something tangible to me. It's taking the fight to where it is needed.
Well, you are saying that opposing the Blackshirts was pointless, but the women's struggle isn't. OK, these are subjective decisions, aren't they?
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And is about specific issues, not just We Hate Trump.
Yes, the blimp thing in particular made me think of the thousands that signed the Change petition to get Katie Hopkins sacked for being foul about refugees, while the petition asking the government/EU to actually do something about the refugees drowning in the Med got an nth of the attention. It felt very self-congratulatory.
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Well, you are saying that opposing the Blackshirts was pointless, but the women's struggle isn't. OK, these are subjective decisions, aren't they?
I don't think that Rhiannon is saying opposing the Blackshirts was pointless, just that her great uncle getting the shit kicked out of him by them may not have achieved much in itself.
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Yes, the blimp thing in particular made me think of the thousands that signed the Change petition to get Katie Hopkins sacked for being foul about refugees, while the petition asking the government/EU to actually do something about the refugees drowning in the Med got an nth of the attention. It felt very self-congratulatory.
Agree, though having Farage interview Bannon on LBC is worrying.
Not sure if you have read Fintan O'Toole's article from last month that's been doing the rounds.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-trial-runs-for-fascism-are-in-full-flow-1.3543375
I have real worries that the protests seem like a physical twitter storm.
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Well, you are saying that opposing the Blackshirts was pointless, but the women's struggle isn't. OK, these are subjective decisions, aren't they?
This is another misrepresentation. :(
NS is right - did my great uncle taking a beating turn things or not? No idea. The is what I question. Do I think he should have protested? Absolutely. And that story influences me still, because I grew up with the idea that it is important to speak out when you see something wrong in front of you.
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For those who have twitter, the long thread on how the Queen snubbed Trump silently with brooches.
https://mobile.twitter.com/SamuraiKnitter/status/1018570246037352449
I simply cannot listen through those tweets or messages so would be grateful if you would tell me what the brooch she wore was and whether Trump gave her a gift of another!
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Agree, though having Farage interview Bannon on LBC is worrying.
Not sure if you have read Fintan O'Toole's article from last month that's been doing the rounds.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-trial-runs-for-fascism-are-in-full-flow-1.3543375
I have real worries that the protests seem like a physical twitter storm.
Yes, that makes sense.
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I simply cannot listen through those tweets or messages so would be grateful if you would tell me what the brooch she wore was and whether Trump gave her a gift of another!
It's the story of three brooches she wore at the 3 occasions she met him. The thread has loads more details but a quick summary is:
First brooch was a brooch the Obamas had given her personally. Not one from the US but one given as friends
Second brooch was one from Canada never been worn before which Trump has obviously been insulting and is above the US
Third brooch was one she had inherited from her mother that had been worn by her mother to the funeral of the king, of her father. i
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That's the sort of completely irrelevant, gratuitously offensive, and fucking stupid comment we've come to expect from you.
Yes you've articulated how I feel about it.
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Yes you've articulated how I feel about it.
But the complete opposite to what I think about it. Little Roses' reply was perfectly reasonable.
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Sorry but LR's comment was both nonsense and off topic. Not gratuitously offensive though and I'm surprised anyone bothered worrying about to.
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Sorry but LR's comment was both nonsense and off topic. Not gratuitously offensive though and I'm surprised anyone bothered worrying about to.
Agree. Trump on the other hand....
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Agree. Trump on the other hand....
Quite.
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NS
Thank you for the info about the brooches. I think the Queen's choice was just right!
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Quite.
Following on from the question of the Trump protests and my twitter storm comment. Part of my unease about how we treat these protests is that they are immediately part of the whole social media phenomenon with the best Trump placards displayed across all forms. The echo chambers of social media become the echo chambers of real life. To an extent it's always ben that way but anger seems so easily magnified. I am uneasy that this seems linked by the phenomenon of finding, naming shaming and punishing 'bad behaviour' such as the daft girl dancing on the ambulance, or the various bigots on the Tommy Robinson march. Getting the police to use the footage if the law is broken fine, but there is a whiff of vigilanteism in a lot of the approach.
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Donald lying
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44864739
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Seen elsewhere on the interwebsphere:
Similarly, when Trump said he "would" run into a school unarmed to protect children from a gunman, he meant he "wouldn't."
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Trump lives in a parallel universe to the rest of us. ::)
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Trump lives in a parallel universe to the rest of us. ::)
If only.
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Even some of Trump's loyal supporters are having doubts about him, after this latest fiasco. It is about time they found a way of giving him the heave ho?
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Even some of Trump's loyal supporters are having doubts about him, after this latest fiasco. It is about time they found a way of giving him the heave ho?
as ever the prospect of President Pence fills me with no joy.
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as ever the prospect of President Pence fills me with no joy.
As you have said before. Admittedly that guy is pretty awful too :o The US is in a right mess, and a very loose cannon at the moment.
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As you have said before. Admittedly that guy is pretty awful too :o The US is in a right mess, and a very loose cannon at the moment.
And having someone properly organised at denying rights to women and homosexuals as Pence would be would make it worse. This is a no win situation.
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Seen elsewhere
'You can't see the wouldn't for the treason'
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And having someone properly organised at denying rights to women and homosexuals as Pence would be would make it worse. This is a no win situation.
We'll just have to put up with Trump until 2020, then hope he can be defeated by the Democratic candidate, who will hopefully be someone with more credibility than Hil.
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We'll just have to put up with Trump until 2020, then hope he can be defeated by the Democratic candidate, who will hopefully be someone with more credibility than Hil.
Any suggestions?
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Any suggestions?
I'd love Bernie again, but he's probably too old. Michelle Obama?
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And Tweet from Richard Marx (For Littleroses - 'He is a popular beat combo, m'lud)
'I misspoke. I meant to say I “wouldn’t” be right here waiting for you.'
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I'd love Bernie again, but he's probably too old. Michelle Obama?
I agree about Bernie. I don't like the dynastization of the presidency. Warren?
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Sure that I won't be the only person to have made this joke but I have not seen it, so for me it is original
I wouldn't, couldn't, shouldn't are the last words of a fool
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Randy Rainbow gets better and better. Worthy of William Schwenck:
https://youtu.be/k-LTRwZb35A
Ap-feckin-plause
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And Tweet from Richard Marx (For Littleroses - 'He is a popular beat combo, m'lud)
'I misspoke. I meant to say I “wouldn’t” be right here waiting for you.'
What is a beat combo, and who is Bernie?
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Bernie Sanders.
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What is a beat combo, and who is Bernie?
A group of syncopated musicians, and Sanders, m'lud
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https://tinyurl.com/yd7e9ed9
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A group of syncopated musicians, and Sanders, m'lud
Constipated musicians, dear dear. ;D
Of course Bernie Sanders, I had forgotten about him, he didn't stand out from the crowd as a potential president, imo.
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Constipated musicians, dear dear. ;D
Of course Bernie Sanders, I had forgotten about him, he didn't stand out from the crowd as a potential president, imo.
Except he did because of his policies.
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Except he did because of his policies.
My American friends didn't vote for Hillers because they wanted Bernie, so they didn't vote at all. I wonder how many did the same, and whether such acts of principle contributed to Trump getting in.
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My American friends didn't vote for Hillers because they wanted Bernie, so they didn't vote at all. I wonder how many did the same, and whether such acts of principle contributed to Trump getting in.
Hillary received 3 million more votes than Trump.
It is likely that your American friends live in either East Coast or West Coast affluent states like California or New York. It would not have mattered how many of them voted for Hillary, since the presidency is not determined by the popular vote.
The presidential Electoral College operates on an all or nothing principle - all the state votes go to the candidate who secured the most support in that state, so if Hillary received 60% of the votes and Trump 40% of the votes in a particular state and that state has ten Electoral College voters then all ten will vote for Hillary. Trump's victory came from the fact that he secured the Electoral College votes in a large number of small states in which, relative to the overall state population there are more Electoral College places than in the large states.
The inequalities don't stop there: in some states the total state population determines the Electoral College representation, in others it is the results in individual electoral districts. Say that a state has three electoral districts, one with an electorate of 100,000, the second with 40,000 and the third with 30,000. If the two smaller ones each voted for Trump and the large one voted for Hillary, the the state's representation would support Trump.
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Except he did because of his policies.
He stood out from the crowd but not as a potential president.
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all the state votes go to the candidate who secured the most support in that state,
Except in Maine and Nebraska where two EC votes go to the winner of the popular vote (in the whole state) and the others are determined by the winer of the vote in each congressional district.
There's also an agreement which some states have signed up for which states that when the electoral college votes controlled by the signatories exceeds a majority of all EC votes, then the signatories' EC votes will all go to the candidate that wins the popular vote throughout the USA. i.e. that will effectively convert the presidential election into a contest based on the national popular vote, which is as it should be. The votes currently controlled by the signatories are 172 and they need 270.
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Fair enough, jeremyp. It is 46 years since I did the American (and Russian and British) Constitution as part of my Politics minor studies at university. I guess that there may have been some slight changes.
Anyway, thanks for that. It is interesting to see that there is not a consistent method across all the states in compiling the Electoral College votes.
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Fair enough, jeremyp. It is 46 years since I did the American (and Russian and British) Constitution as part of my Politics minor studies at university. I guess that there may have been some slight changes.
The systems in Maine and Nebraska were instituted in the 90's I believe. Forty six years ago, it was probably as you said.
Anyway, thanks for that. It is interesting to see that there is not a consistent method across all the states in compiling the Electoral College votes.
Yes, I find it fascinating.
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Hillary received 3 million more votes than Trump.
It is likely that your American friends live in either East Coast or West Coast affluent states like California or New York. It would not have mattered how many of them voted for Hillary, since the presidency is not determined by the popular vote.
The presidential Electoral College operates on an all or nothing principle - all the state votes go to the candidate who secured the most support in that state, so if Hillary received 60% of the votes and Trump 40% of the votes in a particular state and that state has ten Electoral College voters then all ten will vote for Hillary. Trump's victory came from the fact that he secured the Electoral College votes in a large number of small states in which, relative to the overall state population there are more Electoral College places than in the large states.
The inequalities don't stop there: in some states the total state population determines the Electoral College representation, in others it is the results in individual electoral districts. Say that a state has three electoral districts, one with an electorate of 100,000, the second with 40,000 and the third with 30,000. If the two smaller ones each voted for Trump and the large one voted for Hillary, the the state's representation would support Trump.
In short, it's absolutely bloody bonkers.
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There have been attempts to abolish the Electoral College and elect the president and vice president by popular vote - the most recent being a proposal by Jimmy Carter. This would mean a constitutional amendment.
The present system means that in Wyoming the votes of about 200,000 electors are required to determine each electoral college place for the state. In California about 700,000 electors are required. I can't see Donald Trump supporting any change.
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There have been attempts to abolish the Electoral College and elect the president and vice president by popular vote - the most recent being a proposal by Jimmy Carter. This would mean a constitutional amendment.
Actually, a constitutional amendment is not required. Individual states can appoint their electoral college delegates in any way they see fit. If enough states to control more than half the electoral college choose to appoint their delegates on the basis of who wins the national vote, the electoral college is rendered meaningless.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact
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It would require the amendment or abolition of Article 2 of the Constitution of the United States of America.
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Most republicans still think he's bigly great
https://nypost.com/2018/07/19/most-republican-voters-were-fine-with-trump-putin-summit-poll/
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It would require the amendment or abolition of Article 2 of the Constitution of the United States of America.
Nope.
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just another day in the White House. I don't understand how even hinting at the possibility of letting McFaul be questioned isn't seen as some form of kowtowing to Putin
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44895384
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In case any of you still thought Trump was a bumbling fool, proof that he isn't. He knows exactly what he is doing and why:
https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2018/07/trump-declared-war-lgbtq-rights-heres-everything-hes-done-far/
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Only a small thing but Melania finds her fun where she can. And it isn't the first time.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45070210
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45079377
Trump now admits that his son met up with people in the Kremlin, pre election, to discover information on Clinton.
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Make America Anti-gay Again
https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/08/14/trump-white-house-freedom-to-discriminate-directive/
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This is extraordinary, if there is a deep state it seems to write open letters.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/17/opinion/cia-brennan-trump-letters.html#click=https://t.co/g2UCU4EYRL
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Truth isn't truth
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45254374
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Truth isn't truth
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45254374
Yep!
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Manafort and Cohen both have Guilty verdicts.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/21/manafort-cohen-guilty-verdicts-vindicate-mueller-investigation-trump
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Apparently it is well nigh impossible to charge a serving president with a crime, they have to go down the impeachment route which can take ages! It is about time the US changed their constitution.
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Maybe not.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/21/trump-manafort-cohen-plea-bargain
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Maybe not.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/21/trump-manafort-cohen-plea-bargain
Trump appears to be invincible! >:(
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Trump appears to be invincible! >:(
A lot of people appear to be invincible. Until they aren't.
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A lot of people appear to be invincible. Until they aren't.
Yup.
Even Superman had his kryptonite.
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I suspect that Trump will see out his presidency and pardon himself as his last act.
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I suspect that Trump will see out his presidency and pardon himself as his last act.
Well he won't run for a second term.
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Well he won't run for a second term.
I wouldn't be too sure about that. A lot of people, including myself, didn't think he would last this long.
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I wouldn't be too sure about that. A lot of people, including myself, didn't think he would last this long.
It's not about him being stopped. it's about why would he want to. He'll have all the kudos from having been President and the use he has and will make of it to have money making opportunities. He can play golf, and get lots of people to turn up to speeches. He doesn't have to do the boring stuff. And he will be able to pardon himself for all previous actions.
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It's not about him being stopped. it's about why would he want to. He'll have all the kudos from having been President and the use he has and will make of it to have money making opportunities. He can play golf, and get lots of people to turn up to speeches. He doesn't have to do the boring stuff. And he will be able to pardon himself for all previous actions.
I think that maybe whoever follows him might try to do something about the last bit but yes, I don't think he ever wanted the job except to make money out of it if he did get in, and he will have huge money-making opportunities once he's retired (see Blair, Tony) and none of the headache of running the country.
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I think that maybe whoever follows him might try to do something about the last bit but yes, I don't think he ever wanted the job except to make money out of it if he did get in, and he will have huge money-making opportunities once he's retired (see Blair, Tony) and none of the headache of running the country.
Presidential pardons are quite hard to void, and anyone getting in could look as if they were besmirching the office of President, and wasting time. Given that they will have been elected before the pardon, they won't have been able to campaign on the basis to overturn it.
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Presidential pardons are quite hard to void, and anyone getting in could look as if they were besmirching the office of President, and wasting time. Given that they will have been elected before the pardon, they won't have been able to campaign on the basis to overturn it.
I think it will be to question whether he has the power to pardon himself.
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I think it will be to question whether he has the power to pardon himself.
Which is a huge legal question that whoever follows would have to pursue through the courts, and Senate for a long time. No Republican president is going to consider that, and if there is going to be a Republican president he won't need to pardon himself, as they will do it to avoid any blowback on the Republican Party. Any Democrat will likely have been elected on a fairly middle of the road policy. Even if they weren't they are going to have to ask themselves if they want so much time of their Presidency chasing up this and what effect that will have on the other things they might want to achieve. The Republican party won't help any President trying to do it because of the blowback issue already covered.
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Well he won't run for a second term.
I very much hope not - or that he's defeated.
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I very much hope not - or that he's defeated.
I think defeat unlikely. If he does decided to run again the way he'll lose will be because something comes out that is so catastrophic he has to withdraw.
I don't think Melania will stick another term.
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/22/michael-cohen-has-information-on-conspiracy-by-russians-says-lawyer
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/22/cancer-trump-presidency-michael-cohen-guilty-plea-criminal
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/22/michael-cohen-has-information-on-conspiracy-by-russians-says-lawyer
It looks like Trump and is former lawyer have fallen out big time.
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Isn't the main consideration going to be the result of the midterm Congressional elections?
If the Republican Party loses its majority in either of the houses of Congress then Trump's ability to act will be compromised. If both houses change hands he may find himself politically impotent.
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Isn't the main consideration going to be the result of the midterm Congressional elections?
If the Republican Party loses its majority in either of the houses of Congress then Trump's ability to act will be compromised. If both houses change hands he may find himself politically impotent.
His impotency doesn't really matter to him, his impeachment does. Even if the midterms go against the Republicans, impeaching him in the time will be difficult.
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His impotency doesn't really matter to him, his impeachment does. Even if the midterms go against the Republicans, impeaching him in the time will be difficult.
How long do you think it takes to impeach somebody? From the start of Clinton's impeachment to his acquittal took less than three months.
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How long do you think it takes to impeach somebody? From the start of Clinton's impeachment to his acquittal took less than three months.
Yeah, you're right. I had in my head the idea that the investigation took longer and some of it did but that equivalent is already done. So let's see the midterms.
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None of the issues having any real impact on his core support. I have to admit that reading these comments reminded me of Corbyn supporters on Twitter.
Also while the economy is doing well, even if it's not clear that has anything to with Trump, then as the phrase went 'It's the economy, stupid!'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45274175
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45285585
Trump is claiming the US economy will collapse if he is impeached! ::)
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"You won't survive without me" - Trump has finally and openly become America's domestic violence/spousal abuser.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45302865
I see Trump has had to call off the trip by one of his poodles to N Korea because things are starting to fall apart. Surprise, Surprise. Trump boasted far too soon about his success, STUPID CLOWN! ::)
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Meanwhile the President googling himself.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-45331210
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45285585
Trump is claiming the US economy will collapse if he is impeached! ::)
He's right if by "everybody will be very poor" he is referring to himself and his associates and by "very poor" he means "not as obscenely rich as we are now".
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Here's another good story which might need to be taken with a pinch of salt.
Trump was on a photo-op with some school children and he joined in with the task of colouring in the Stars and Stripes. The only problem is he got it wrong:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-us-flag-wrong-colour-blue-stripe-a8508556.html
Of course, the girl in front is colouring her stripes in yellow, so maybe the task was an art task to provide an alternative colouring.
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Of course, Donald
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45340275
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Of course, Donald
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45340275
Trump must be concerned about the outcome of the mid term elections, hopefully the Republicans will lose out.
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Trump must be concerned about the outcome of the mid term elections, hopefully the Republicans will lose out.
What major difference do you think what number of Democrat wins will make?
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What major difference do you think what number of Democrat wins will make?
Wouldn't it affect the crazier legislation Trump might try to impose on his country?
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Wouldn't it affect the crazier legislation Trump might try to impose on his country?
Would it? In what way? What legislation? And what change in the election numbers are you proposing?
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Would it? In what way? What legislation? And what change in the election numbers are you proposing?
I am making an assumption, as he seems worried about the Democrats doing well. I am not that au fait with the American political arena.
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I am making an assumption, as he seems worried about the Democrats doing well. I am not that au fait with the American political arena.
He's worried about impeachment, not legislation.
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He's worried about impeachment, not legislation.
Whatever, I hope he has good cause to be worried.
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Whatever, I hope he has good cause to be worried.
So what good are you hoping will happen?
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So what good are you hoping will happen?
I hope they manage to impeach him, or force him to resign. There seems to be enough skeletons in that guy's cupboard to sink a ship.
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I hope they manage to impeach him, or force him to resign. There seems to be enough skeletons in that guy's cupboard to sink a ship.
Yes, but will that actually do any good since it introduces President Pence?
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Yes, but will that actually do any good since it introduces President Pence?
Pence is ghastly, I agree, but I don't think he has the support 'Trump' has, so with luck the Democrats might win the next election.
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You're just falling for Trump's rhetoric. I would think a new Pence would have a better chance of winning than Trump, and I doubt Trump will stand again.
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You're just falling for Trump's rhetoric. I would think a new Pence would have a better chance of winning than Trump, and I doubt Trump will stand again.
Well time will tell, there is nothing we can do about it.
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Well time will tell, there is nothing we can do about it.
Which is essentially a non sequitur to the discussion. One big films difference between Trump and Pence is that Trump may talk about Armageddon, Pence believes it is a good thing.
https://www.haaretz.com/amp/opinion/lucky-the-jews-didn-t-get-what-pence-was-really-saying-1.5764424#click=https://t.co/iv80EQ8PtT
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He's worried about impeachment, not legislation.
No. He's also worried about legislation. If part of Congress becomes Democrat controlled, they can pretty much stop any of his proposals. His wall will become even less likely to be built, for example.
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You're just falling for Trump's rhetoric. I would think a new Pence would have a better chance of winning than Trump, and I doubt Trump will stand again.
Even though he's already started his 2020 campaign?
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No. He's also worried about legislation. If part of Congress becomes Democrat controlled, they can pretty much stop any of his proposals. His wall will become even less likely to be built, for example.
My take is that he's bothered by none of that. The wall was a means to get elected, nothing more. It's like his warblings about Google yesterday, it's not about legislation, it's about the Donald.
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Even though he's already started his 2020 campaign?
Yep, I think he's just doing that to keep people happy, I doubt he will be able to be bothered.
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Yep, I think he's just doing that to keep people happy, I doubt he will be able to be bothered.
I don't think he's enjoying it. If he gets through his first term he will quit while he's ahead.
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I don't think he's enjoying it. If he gets through his first term he will quit while he's ahead.
I think he is enjoying himself. Also when he leaves office he won't have the same presidential protection he has now to prevent him being prosecuted for the things of which he is currently accused.
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I think he is enjoying himself. Also when he leaves office he won't have the same presidential protection he has now to prevent him being prosecuted for the things of which he is currently accused.
Will resign the day before he is due to go and Pence will issue a pardon.
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Will resign the day before he is due to go and Pence will issue a pardon.
If it’s down to Pence I bet he doesn’t.
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If it’s down to Pence I bet he doesn’t.
Pence, or Trump?
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Will resign the day before he is due to go and Pence will issue a pardon.
I get the impression Pence isn't too thrilled with Trump.
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The wall was a means to get elected, nothing more. It's like his warblings about Google yesterday, it's not about legislation, it's about the Donald.
The wall is not like his warbling at Google. The latter was all about discrediting reliable sources of information in order to keep the faithful believing. The wall is just one of many pieces of legislation he wants to get done. Trump seems to love his monuments. The wall and all the other legislation would be his monument. A Democrat House might take that away from him.
By the way, Trump will go for re-election unless he believes he will lose. His ego will demand it. On the other hand, if impeachment looks inevitable, I think he will resign like Nixon but he will spin the narrative to make it look like it was a witch hunt. I think that will be very bad for the Republican party.
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Pence, or Trump?
Pence is ideologically at least as bad as Trump, but he is politically more competent. I think president Pence with a Republican congress would be much worse than what we see now because stuff would get done.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45364150
Waaaaaaaaaah! everybody treats me so unfairly (actually, no).
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How insensitive can one get?
Ask Donny....
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-complained-john-mccain-coverage-over-top-distract-trade-deal-1093579
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When Trump does the world a favour and leaves it, hopefully his send off will be treated with the contempt he deserved in life.
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When Trump does the world a favour and leaves it, hopefully his send off will be treated with the contempt he deserved in life.
And that's why I hate Trump and his ilk so much.
So very often they manage to reduce people to their level.
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And that's why I hate Trump and his ilk so much.
So very often they manage to reduce people to their level.
Being so insensitive is quite bad but I could forgive a leader that was insensitive if they werern’t also so destructive.
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Bob Woodward has a new book out called "Fear". Read the summary on CNN
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/09/04/politics/bob-woodward-book-donald-trump-fear/index.html
I've preordered the Kindle edition.
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Resistance is not futile. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45427838?ocid=socialflow_facebook&ns_source=facebook&ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbcnews
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S who, then? And why?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/06/trump-op-ed-new-york-times-who-wrote-it-mike-pence-pompeo-deny-authorship
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They call him Don the Con for a reason: https://tinyurl.com/y9gjvzc2
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America needs to amend its constitution so it is much easier to get rid of a president. Trump is a conman of the worst sort, imo.
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I love this stuff, and it even comes with a pointless but pretty picture of Benedict,
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45435813
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of course
https://deadline.com/2018/09/armando-iannucci-hollywood-fake-america-great-again-1202458829/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
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S who, then? And why?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/06/trump-op-ed-new-york-times-who-wrote-it-mike-pence-pompeo-deny-authorship
Here's the original piece in the NYT
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/05/opinion/trump-white-house-anonymous-resistance.html
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It smacks of desperation to get rid of Trump, and who can blame them?
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America needs to amend its constitution so it is much easier to get rid of a president. Trump is a conman of the worst sort, imo.
What mechanism do you suggest? Bear in mind that he is the duly elected president of the United States, so any methods must take into account that he was appointed as the result of a democratic vote.
Note that there are already three ways to get rid of
- impeachment followed by conviction
- resignation
- The 25th amendment (https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxxv)
The first requires a crime to have been committed and at present we do not have evidence of that.
The second requires the cooperation of the president.
The last of these deals with situations where the president is unable to perform his duties for any reason and may only are temporary. I don't think it covers incompetence or dishonesty.
So I would be interested to hear your thoughts on a new method that could be used on Donald Trump.
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Trump is almost certainly personality disordered. Does that make him unfit? Cameron said the same thing of Obama, and it may be true.
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Trump is almost certainly personality disordered. Does that make him unfit? Cameron said the same thing of Obama, and it may be true.
There's no way to get rid of a president that is unfit for office unless he does something as a result of his unfitness that renders him liable for impeachment.
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There's no way to get rid of a president that is unfit for office unless he does something as a result of his unfitness that renders him liable for impeachment.
The 25th covers incapacity. It's been used temporarily for presidents undergoing anaesthesia. If Trump was felt to be sufficiently mentally disordered then I think that is covered by the 25th even if he doesn't do anything impeachable, at least in theory.
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The 25th covers incapacity.
which is not the same as unfit.
It's been used temporarily for presidents undergoing anaesthesia.
It's clearly designed mainly for such situations, although it was brought in after the Kennedy assassination when the theoretical question was posed "what if he hadn't died and had remained in a vegetative state?" There would have been no way to remove him.
President Woodrow Wilson had a stroke in 1919 and was left badly incapacitated and probably unable to perform his duties for the last year of his term. His wife effectively ran the presidency for a while. But they could not invoke the 25th because it didn't exist.
If Trump was felt to be sufficiently mentally disordered then I think that is covered by the 25th even if he doesn't do anything impeachable, at least in theory.
Trump would have to be so mentally disordered that he was unable to perform the duties of his office. I'm not saying that is impossible, but being narcissistic and stupid clearly doesn't qualify according to the people that can invoke the 25th.
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What mechanism do you suggest? Bear in mind that he is the duly elected president of the United States, so any methods must take into account that he was appointed as the result of a democratic vote.
Indeed, he was duly elected - but not by the people.
Is it possible that, following the investigation which appears to be underway into circumstances surrounding the presidential election campaign, if serious malpractices are proven then the Electoral College could be asked to reconsider its decision?
Perhaps a further investigation could be conducted into the Electoral College itself and the unfair inequalities which exist within the Electoral College and the electoral districts whose consequences distort the popular vote.
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Indeed, he was duly elected - but not by the people.
The people voted for the electoral college delegates who voted for him. Them's the rules.
Is it possible that, following the investigation which appears to be underway into circumstances surrounding the presidential election campaign, if serious malpractices are proven then the Electoral College could be asked to reconsider its decision?
No. There's no constitutional provision for this.
Perhaps a further investigation could be conducted into the Electoral College itself and the unfair inequalities which exist within the Electoral College and the electoral districts whose consequences distort the popular vote.
That's a complicated question because of the way members of the electoral college are selected. Firstly, each state gets a number of electors based on the number of representatives it has in the house and the senate. Since each state gets two senators regardless of size, small states get a disproportionate number of electors. Most states require all of their electors to vote in the same way as the popular vote for the whole state. Two states allocate electors in proportion to the popular vote.
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What mechanism do you suggest? Bear in mind that he is the duly elected president of the United States, so any methods must take into account that he was appointed as the result of a democratic vote.
Note that there are already three ways to get rid of
- impeachment followed by conviction
- resignation
- The 25th amendment (https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxxv)
The first requires a crime to have been committed and at present we do not have evidence of that.
The second requires the cooperation of the president.
The last of these deals with situations where the president is unable to perform his duties for any reason and may only are temporary. I don't think it covers incompetence or dishonesty.
So I would be interested to hear your thoughts on a new method that could be used on Donald Trump.
My method wouldn't be illegal, I would ship him off to join his bestie in the Kremlin.
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which is not the same as unfit.
It's clearly designed mainly for such situations, although it was brought in after the Kennedy assassination when the theoretical question was posed "what if he hadn't died and had remained in a vegetative state?" There would have been no way to remove him.
President Woodrow Wilson had a stroke in 1919 and was left badly incapacitated and probably unable to perform his duties for the last year of his term. His wife effectively ran the presidency for a while. But they could not invoke the 25th because it didn't exist.
Trump would have to be so mentally disordered that he was unable to perform the duties of his office. I'm not saying that is impossible, but being narcissistic and stupid clearly doesn't qualify according to the people that can invoke the 25th.
I think that depends on what 'unable' means. We aren't simply talking about narcissism, but NPD, or similar. Arguably un rode to do his job properly he'd have to make rational decisions. Someone with NPD doesn't do that. You might as well have someone with dementia in charge.
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You might as well have someone with dementia in charge.
Increasingly I suspect that this may well be the case.
I'm not a professional, or claiming to be; I can't diagnose, or claiming to; all I can do is go on what I know via reading fairly widely and personal experience, and what I know is that people in the earlier stages of certain forms of dementia have an uninhibitedness (is that a word? It is now), a lack of 'filter' as to what is appropriate and inappropriate behaviour in company which seems to be the case with Chump. He looks and acts like someone with no control or filter between brain and mouth.
It's not by any means what the colonists call a slam-dunk case, but it is to my mind suggestive.
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I think that depends on what 'unable' means. We aren't simply talking about narcissism, but NPD, or similar. Arguably un rode to do his job properly he'd have to make rational decisions. Someone with NPD doesn't do that. You might as well have someone with dementia in charge.
I agree.
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A couple of years ago, my reader read 'America 1927' by Bill Bryson. some of the Presidents he talks about there make Donald Trump seem almost reasonable!
I think that is the right title. Super book, by the way.
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My method wouldn't be illegal, I would ship him off to join his bestie in the Kremlin.
Sorry, I was actually asking a serious question. I thought you might have a serious answer.
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I think that depends on what 'unable' means.
Yes. So is he unable or is he just doing it really badly?
We aren't simply talking about narcissism, but NPD, or similar. Arguably un rode to do his job properly he'd have to make rational decisions. Someone with NPD doesn't do that. You might as well have someone with dementia in charge.
I’m not qualified to diagnose President Trump’s mental illnesses if he has any so I’m not going to comment on that.
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Sorry, I was actually asking a serious question. I thought you might have a serious answer.
The answer I actually had in mind would see me the naughty stair for a good while.
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Yes. So is he unable or is he just doing it really badly?
I’m not qualified to diagnose President Trump’s mental illnesses if he has any so I’m nope going to comment on that.
We're discussing hypotheticals. I haven't diagnosed anything either. Hypothetically, if Trump as a personality disorder, then that will prevent him from making rational decisions. The difficulty would be that it might look as though he was doing his job, just screwing it up, when in reality he would never be mentally capable of doing his job at all.
Hypothetically.
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The American Constitution needs amending so they can more easily get rid of a sitting president if it is clear he is not functioning properly. I have heard Ronald Reagan was suffering from dementia during his last term in the White House, Nancy was making his decisions for him.
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The American Constitution needs amending so they can more easily get rid of a sitting president if it is clear he is not functioning properly. I have heard Ronald Reagan was suffering from dementia during his last term in the White House, Nancy was making his decisions for him.
He probably did have dementia, but I doubt whether Nancy was making any major decisions. Who knows, but I suspect that a team of White House advisors kept things ticking over until the next election. Removing him would have been destabilising. Arguably the reverse is true when it comes to Trump.
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[Ronald Reagan] probably did have dementia, but I doubt whether Nancy was making any major decisions. Who knows, but I suspect that a team of White House advisors kept things ticking over until the next election. Removing him would have been destabilising. Arguably the reverse is true when it comes to Trump.
Churchill was increasingly senile during the last few years of his second premiership, and government was increasingly conducted by the rest of the cabinet.
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Churchill was increasingly senile during the last few years of his second premiership, and government was increasingly conducted by the rest of the cabinet.
Dementia, or not, Churchill was not a very good peacetime PM.
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Dementia, or not, Churchill was not a very good peacetime PM.
Indeed not. He was the man we needed during the war, and is rightly honoured for that, but not one of the better post-war pms.
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We're discussing hypotheticals. I haven't diagnosed anything either. Hypothetically, if Trump as a personality disorder, then that will prevent him from making rational decisions.
He wasn't voted in to make rational decisions, he was voted in to make the decisions that the people who voted for him want.
For example, there's nothing rational about supporting the American coal industry. Coal's time is past. However, Trump's promise to rejuvenate it was key to him winning the election.
The difficulty would be that it might look as though he was doing his job, just screwing it up, when in reality he would never be mentally capable of doing his job at all.
If Trump is mentally compromised to the point that he is unable to perform his duties, then article 25 should be invoked. However, we don't know if he is or not. What the USA needs is a way to get rid of a president before his or her term is up if they are really just very bad at their job. This is why I was interested to know if LR has any ideas how it might be done, but it turns out she doesn't.
Most US state governors can be fired before the end of their term by means of a recall vote. Perhaps something similar needs to be instituted for the president.
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He wasn't voted in to make rational decisions, he was voted in to make the decisions that the people who voted for him want.
For example, there's nothing rational about supporting the American coal industry. Coal's time is past. However, Trump's promise to rejuvenate it was key to him winning the election.
If Trump is mentally compromised to the point that he is unable to perform his duties, then article 25 should be invoked. However, we don't know if he is or not. What the USA needs is a way to get rid of a president before his or her term is up if they are really just very bad at their job. This is why I was interested to know if LR has any ideas how it might be done, but it turns out she doesn't.
Most US state governors can be fired before the end of their term by means of a recall vote. Perhaps something similar needs to be instituted for the president.
The thing about personality disorders is that they can be devastatingly hard to spot. It takes a forensic psychotherapist or psychiatrist a minimum of 25 hrs working with someone, and even then they make mask it (as an aside, family courts allocate three hours maximum by non-specialists for this work to be carried out. But I digress).
We can see someone with narcissistic tendencies at work. Does that make him personality disordered? I don't know.
I like the recall idea.
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The thing about personality disorders is that they can be devastatingly hard to spot. It takes a forensic psychotherapist or psychiatrist a minimum of 25 hrs working with someone, and even then they make mask it (as an aside, family courts allocate three hours maximum by non-specialists for this work to be carried out. But I digress).
We can see someone with narcissistic tendencies at work. Does that make him personality disordered? I don't know.
I like the recall idea.
If I remember rightly, Trump's physician commented on his physical health, when he was standing for office, but there was no mention of his mental health.
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/10/trump-almost-sent-tweet-north-korea-imminent-attack
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Personality disorder or Multiple personalities disorder?
I don't believe Trump has the latter and I do not believe he has any kind of personality disorder.
To become the business icon he is, he has to have been dedicated and very forcefull in his business tactics.
As a president the world of business has made him who he is and have placed him where they want him.
Economically, Trump is where he is because that is where the big wigs in economy want him.
A book was published some years ago foretelling his rise to the president of the USA.
Trump did not come from the back ground that politicians normally rise up from. He is outside the field of the in-crowd.
He is playing in a play ground where he was not welcome.
The powers that be and the Almighty power chose him to be where he is.
What do you think that means for all of us who have no say in this matter? Does our intelligence and our back ground in business and politics really match those who put him there?
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God chose a pussy grabber and a serial adulterer and a liar?
Wow, great judge of character your God.
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God chose a pussy grabber and a serial adulterer and a liar?
Wow, great judge of character your God.
He's chosen some interesting people over the years, hasn't he?
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Personality disorder or Multiple personalities disorder?
I don't believe Trump has the latter and I do not believe he has any kind of personality disorder.
To become the business icon he is, he has to have been dedicated and very forcefull in his business tactics.
As a president the world of business has made him who he is and have placed him where they want him.
Economically, Trump is where he is because that is where the big wigs in economy want him.
A book was published some years ago foretelling his rise to the president of the USA.
Trump did not come from the back ground that politicians normally rise up from. He is outside the field of the in-crowd.
He is playing in a play ground where he was not welcome.
The powers that be and the Almighty power chose him to be where he is.
What do you think that means for all of us who have no say in this matter? Does our intelligence and our back ground in business and politics really match those who put him there?
Many highly successful businessmen, like Trump, are psychopaths, and that is a personality disorder. So is narcissism, which is also compatible with being very successful. I think Trump is both.
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Trump definitely has a personality disorder of some sort, but because he tells the extreme right wing mob what they wish to hear, they will continue to support him.
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The powers that be and the Almighty power chose him to be where he is.
Vladimir Putin is God? Never knew that.
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/16/impeachment-trump-manafort-robert-mueller-deal
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/16/impeachment-trump-manafort-robert-mueller-deal
One can only hope they will find some way of getting rid of Trump.
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/16/impeachment-trump-manafort-robert-mueller-deal
I don't think they'll find a way to pin anything on Trump himself.
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I don't think they'll find a way to pin anything on Trump himself.
It's like watching a box set.
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An interesting article..... https://a.msn.com/r/2/AAAr8Bq?m=en-gb&referrerID=InAppShare
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An interesting article..... https://a.msn.com/r/2/AAAr8Bq?m=en-gb&referrerID=InAppShare
Without the help of the Kremlin I doubt Trump would have become President. >:(
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Without the help of the Kremlin I doubt Trump would have become President. >:(
Even if that was true, and I'm not saying it is, then it's only what the Americans have done for donkeys years. Now they have the buffoon they deserve. Trump won not because of the Russians but because Clinton had no interest in appealing to American working class, plus that she's a warmonger.
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Every time I think of Trump I now envisage a survivor from the Devonian comprising a primitive brain that supports a large ego and an alimentary canal with an arsehole at both ends.
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plus that she's a warmonger.
That has never been a negative in US politics, unless your name is Susan Sarandon.
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Every time I think of Trump I now envisage a survivor from the Devonian comprising a primitive brain that supports a large ego and an alimentary canal with an arsehole at both ends.
I think that might be doing the Devonian period an injustice! More likely Trump is a one off mutant, deposited by an alien spaceship dumping its garbage. ;D
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And Trump isn't a warmonger?
What wars has he started?
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What wars has he started?
Give him time. And he's still carrying on the ones started by previous administrations. It's what the US does, to that extent I don't think Trump is any more or less guilty than his predecessors, what is more worrying is his sheer unpredictability and apparent lack of knowledge on geo-political situations.
(PS I don't even know why I used the word "apparent" there!)
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What wars has he started?
The idiot was threatening to nuke North Korea.
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Give him time. And he's still carrying on the ones started by previous administrations. It's what the US does, to that extent I don't think Trump is any more or less guilty than his predecessors, what is more worrying is his sheer unpredictability and apparent lack of knowledge on geo-political situations.
(PS I don't even know why I used the word "apparent" there!)
Trump is an arse and there's not much I would disagree with there.
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That has never been a negative in US politics, unless your name is Susan Sarandon.
Actually, it has been a negative but only for Democrats.
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Give him time. And he's still carrying on the ones started by previous administrations.
Only because the USA can't get out. Trump is very much against the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and wanted the US to get out of both ASAP. The reason it hasn't happened is because, now he is president, he has been confronted with the realities of the situation by people who know what they are talking about. This is the same reason why the USA was still in those wars after eight years of a president who was elected on the basis of stopping them
Hilary, btw, is not a war monger, but she understood the realities better than Trump during the election campaign.
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Ouch.
http://newsthump.com/2018/09/26/donald-trump-to-become-opening-act-for-louis-ck/
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-45696420/trump-on-kim-jong-un-we-fell-in-love
Trump gets crazier with each passing day! :o
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He's a fucking disgrace
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45727618
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Sexual misconduct claims are a bit close to home for Trump.
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He's a fucking disgrace
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45727618
And his supporters lap it up.
It is one of those wtf moments, when you realise this man is the President of the USA.
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And his supporters lap it up.
It is one of those wtf moments, when you realise this man is the President of the USA.
And you wonder if you are having a very bad dream!
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I'm trying not to watch drives me insane.
November, come on Democrats!
Just want it to be over, can you believe he is favourite to win again in 2020! :(
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.128151441
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There was a moment of irony after Trump had been recommending innocent until proven guilty, when some of his fans were shouting "lock her up". I don't know if they meant Clinton or Ford. But he actually used the word evil about Ford's supporters.
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A reminder that some Republicans are capable of humanity.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45736951
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Yes, a bit of common decency, something Trump lacks.
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A reminder that some Republicans are capable of humanity.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45736951
Because anyone who is right of centre isn't normally human?
Mmmm did Trump getting elected could only happen in a world where political debate gets shut down in a such a fashion?
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Because anyone who is right of centre isn't normally human?
Mmmm did Trump getting elected could only happen in a world where political debate gets shut down in a such a fashion?
Did I say that? Come on, Democrats are right of centre by and large. But too many Republicans demonstrated huge inhumanity to Dr Ford. It's good to see that some aren't like that.
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Did I say that? Come on, Democrats are right of centre by and large. But too many Republicans demonstrated huge inhumanity to Dr Ford. It's good to see that some aren't like that.
Democrats are left of centre (USA).
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Democrats are left of centre (USA).
Not compared to what we in the UK regard as left of centre.
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Not compared to what we in the UK regard as left of centre.
Quite: the yanks don't, by global standards, have a left-wing party of any consequence. The Dems are like moderate, centre-right Tories, and the Reps the hard-right Thatcherites.
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Quite: the yanks don't, by global standards, have a left-wing party of any consequence. The Dems are like moderate, centre-right Tories, and the Reps the hard-right Thatcherites.
Thatcher didn't do Evangelical Christianity.
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Quite: the yanks don't, by global standards, have a left-wing party of any consequence. The Dems are like moderate, centre-right Tories, and the Reps the hard-right Thatcherites.
Bernie?
In the age of Blair - Cameron, I would suggest Democrats would more align with Blair.
Now the hard left are back in town not so much, but there again many Labour MPs are not hard left either.
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Bernie?
I think Bernie went Democrat to maximise his chances, because no party except the Dems and the Reps has a cat in hell's chance of providing the president.
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For anyone who ever doubyed the much-vaunted business acumen of the genious in the White House... not that we ever would; heaven forbid! https://stv.tv/news/west-central/1431597-donald-trump-s-turnberry-golf-resort-loses-3-4m/
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Got rid of mine - but the link is very odd - goes to FB and is very long.
STV, eh?
Mind you, I know some people who worked at "Trump Turnberry" (What a daft name....).
I say 'worked' because their conditions employment changed in 2015, and the friendly atmosphere of the place became somewhat toxic.
Quite a few locals from South Ayrshire were 'encouraged' to seek other employment, and replaced by immigrants - not that that's a problem per se, but the replacements were mainly from the Phillipines, and their command of English, far less ayrshire Scots is patchy.
The result? Most local golfers go elsewhere, and the locals use other hostelries to drink in.
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the replacements were mainly from the Phillipines, and their command of English, far less ayrshire Scots is patchy.
Really? English is the public language of the Philippines - government, commerce and education are conducted in English. Tagalog is used at home.
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Trump channels his inner Alex Jones and goes down the whole antisemitic Soros paid trope.
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1048196883464818688
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Really? English is the public language of the Philippines - government, commerce and education are conducted in English. Tagalog is used at home.
My GP is a Fillipino, HH; I have no problems communicating with him until he starts talking about blooming baseball - which is, for some reason, a passion. However, I reiterrate that Trump Turnberry's present turnover of staff and the communication barrier has cots it dear in custom and local atmosphetre. Whilst the tourist tade here is heavly dependanton migrant workers, most establishments - golf resorts such as Troon, Belleisle, Prestwick, etc, reteained their local and warm welcoming atmosphere whilst employing such workers: Trump Turnberry has not. Oh....and they banned Irn Bru, which is, of course, blasphemy. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/may/09/trump-angers-scots-with-ban-on-irn-bru-at-luxury-golf-resort
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God chose a pussy grabber and a serial adulterer and a liar?
Wow, great judge of character your God.
Moses murdered a man.
King James Bible
Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
Judge of character is a human thing only.
God knows what his plans are and who is suited best.
Joseph for instance went into slavery and falsely accused of rape and put in prison.
TRUTH... Only God knew Joseph was innocent and his accuser. Women will do many things just as men will.
If sin stopped us being the person God intended us to be when using our skills be it Doctor, Surgeon, Judge, even teacher or film star then all positions would be vacant.
God choses the right people to get the Job done and we as humans try and do the same. A person may lie, they commit adultery and many other sins which a routine for most humans. But those sins do not stop a surgeon or any other profession from fulfilling their duty and using their expertise to save others.
We cannot think as you do. Every person has committed sin and lied but not necessarily in their job. I believe that people lie and do most of those things like adultery but they still save lives and bring justice.
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Many highly successful businessmen, like Trump, are psychopaths, and that is a personality disorder. So is narcissism, which is also compatible with being very successful. I think Trump is both.
There lies the problem Steve H, you think... The Queen successful and very rich do you accuse her of the same thing?
What about the big bankers? You see there is absolutely nothing but conjecture in your opinion. You don't have enough facts about him on a psychological examination which would be necessary to determine what Trump is or isn't, So do you think your opinion really useful in the great scheme of things when you yourself are not trained in any form of psychiatry?
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Vladimir Putin is God? Never knew that.
What is God? Is God a human being? Remember you allowed yourself to post this Jeremyp. Would never have allowed myself to post something so off the chart.
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Every time I think of Trump I now envisage a survivor from the Devonian comprising a primitive brain that supports a large ego and an alimentary canal with an arsehole at both ends.
But surely that is your opinion on what you have allowed others to tell you and you chose to believe about Trump?
So what is the value of what you are saying?
Men like Trump do not get to be president unless someone somewhere believes there is purpose to it.
Truth is he is President and America are solely responsible for this as our Country was for Margaret Thatcher and Theresa May. Both used to change things and blame the sex rather than the position they hold and the men who back them. Method in their madness... No one will be able to judge to their period in office ends. Maggie Thatcher given a rough ride but nevertheless she has gone down in the history books as the iron lady. What I want to see is opinions based on facts not supposition.
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Give him time. And he's still carrying on the ones started by previous administrations. It's what the US does, to that extent I don't think Trump is any more or less guilty than his predecessors, what is more worrying is his sheer unpredictability and apparent lack of knowledge on geo-political situations.
(PS I don't even know why I used the word "apparent" there!)
Who started the Vietnam war? How long did it last? 1955 to 1975. about 17 years in combat.
You think he could start one that long and let it drag out all those years with young men coming home in body bags?
I think sometimes prevention is better than cure. Threaten war if they are out of line threatening to use atomic weapons or types like nerve gas etc. But like any Country has never gone to war when a president or prime minister been in power? Isn't that we have these people to decide on our behalf for our protection? :o You cannot use what might or might not happen. Because these events happen because of circumstances all in power have to face.
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We cannot think as you do. Every person has committed sin and lied but not necessarily in their job. I believe that people lie and do most of those things like adultery but they still save lives and bring justice.
Ah, now I understand why God chose Stalin.
To murder several million people.
And Hitler, he was chosen because all of those annoying Jewish people needed a solution for them.
Now its all perfectly clear!
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Looking at the replies there is a clear dislike of Trump but no factual evidence for those disgruntled remarks.
I sometimes wonder why the business across the Pond is any business of ours? The present day regulations regarding prison and even our benefit system and health care are all
inherited from USA. These people allow their families to live in cars on the street. They allow them to starve and allow them to be treated less than human.
You are all busy giving an opinion on Donald Trump but what about our own Government and the people in our Country being made homeless and being starved and put into poverty.
You need to get your priorities right before you don't get a choice in the matter.
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Ah, now I understand why God chose Stalin.
To murder several million people.
And Hitler, he was chosen because all of those annoying Jewish people needed a solution for them.
Now its all perfectly clear!
Did you write the above post? Do you believe in God? So tell me why you were chosen by anyone to write the above?
Well Seb! Your own thinking is shown to be lacking because to make the above statement true you would need to believe in God and you would have to make the statement work of how the actions of those men were from God and not Satan.
If you are going to do the 'good God' against the 'evil Devil' at some point in your thinking you need to know the bible and to address the issues as to why evil is in the world.
Satan would obviously have lead you to blame God for he and you did together. The sad part in this world is that if you don't chose God, you automatically have chosen the devil.
God knows what we will do he does not interfere. But Satan has no knowledge of the future or Gods plans for the good of man. He is going to hell and taking many with him.
Satan hates mankind not God. Satan works well in your train of thought because like you he wants you to hate the notion and refrain from the truth even when it is right in front of you written in the bible. It is a fallen world and the world is like the humans corrupt and wrong thinking when outside Christ.
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I sometimes wonder why the business across the Pond is any business of ours?
Then wonder no more........
The present day regulations regarding prison and even our benefit system and health care are all
inherited from USA. These people allow their families to live in cars on the street. They allow them to starve and allow them to be treated less than human.
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Did you write the above post? Do you believe in God? So tell me why you were chosen by anyone to write the above?
Well Seb! Your own thinking is shown to be lacking because to make the above statement true you would need to believe in God and you would have to make the statement work of how the actions of those men were from God and not Satan.
Did God choose those men to be the leaders of their countries or did he not choose them?
A simple yes or no will suffice.
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Bernie?
Only joined the Democrat Party when he wanted to run for president and then failed to get nominated.
In the age of Blair - Cameron, I would suggest Democrats would more align with Blair.
That's a fair assessment I think .
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What is God? Is God a human being? Remember you allowed yourself to post this Jeremyp. Would never have allowed myself to post something so off the chart.
It was a joke. You said God chose Trump to be president. We all know that Putin rigged the election to get Trump in power. Therefore Putin is God.
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It doesn't say much that is good about god if it chose that dangerous psycho across the pond to be president.
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God (that's for those who believe in God) leaves us to choose people who are supposed to lead us. He doesn't put them in power, people do. We often choose wrongly. Good thing is, in relatively democratic countries, they can be voted out eventually. All we can do is hope they don't do irreparable damage while they're 'in' - & that the next choice is at least a bit better. None are perfect but Trump is so stupid, stubborn & arrogant he could do very serious damage during his term & that's frightening.
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The present day regulations regarding prison and even our benefit system and health care are all
inherited from USA.
Are you sure you even have a clue about what you are typing?
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Are you sure you even have a clue about what you are typing?
I was wondering that too.
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Trump's new painting deconstructed
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/15/president-trump-new-painting-white-house-republican
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Even Trump can do something sensible and compassionate occasionally.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/30/trump-signs-right-to-try-legislation-on-experimental-medicines.html
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Even Trump can do something sensible and compassionate occasionally.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/30/trump-signs-right-to-try-legislation-on-experimental-medicines.html
Could this not also be a quack's charter, with vulnerable people being victims to hoaxters or unqualified practitioners?
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Could this not also be a quack's charter, with vulnerable people being victims to hoaxters or unqualified practitioners?
It could be. Depends on where the funding comes from and what the treatments are. It could also bring relief and prolong life.
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Could this not also be a quack's charter, with vulnerable people being victims to hoaxters or unqualified practitioners?
Given that the drugs would have to have passed phase 1 of the FDA approval process, I don't see that as being more likely than currently. In addition there is nothing that stops snake oil sellers at the moment as long as they neither advertise false claims nor cause actual harm.
It should be pointed out that despite Trump's liking of the title 'Right to Try', it isn't a right since it is up to the drug suppliers to chose to provide. It might not lead to that many treatments since they might be wary of being sued even with the new legislation if certain side effects were to happen.
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Could this not also be a quack's charter, with vulnerable people being victims to hoaxters or unqualified practitioners?
No - read the article. The drugs still have to have passed part of the testing procedure.
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Given that the drugs would have to have passed phase 1 of the FDA approval process, I don't see that as being more likely than currently. In addition there is nothing that stops snake oil sellers at the moment as long as they neither advertise false claims nor cause actual harm.
I accept that. My thoughts, however, were that - aware of Donald Trump's considerable antipathy to global climate change science - he might support anti-vax sympathies and believe that unorthodox medicine is as valid as clinical medicine.
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I accept that. My thoughts, however, were that - aware of Donald Trump's considerable antipathy to global climate change science - he might support anti-vax sympathies and believe that unorthodox medicine is as valid as clinical medicine.
There certainly have been some questions in the past about that but I don't see this measure as necessarily being part of the idea. I think it just looks like an easy piece of legislation. I'm still cynical about how much affect it will have in practice. In addition, I think it will be used to incorrectly contrast with 'socialised medicines death committees'.
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I thought this was an interesting article about Trump.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45817222
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The man who was the ghost writer for Trump: The Art of the Deal (he states that he wrote the whole thing ... but Trump says otherwise and claimed 50% of the royalties) was interviewed on Radio 4 PM this evening. His characterisation of Trump is possibly the most frightening I have heard yet.
You should be able to listen to it on iPlayer.
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The man who was the ghost writer for Trump: The Art of the Deal (he states that he wrote the whole thing ... but Trump says otherwise and claimed 50% of the royalties) was interviewed on Radio 4 PM this evening. His characterisation of Trump is possibly the most frightening I have heard yet.
You should be able to listen to it on iPlayer.
Yes, I heard that too and came here this morning to mention it. I am glad they played it through.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45913921
What a lovely man Trump is! ::)
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Normally I would post this on the music thread but I feel it is far more relevant here. Barbra Streisand in rather good and startling form:
https://youtu.be/kNrj87Q-4Yk?list=RDkNrj87Q-4Yk
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news
Hopefully the Democrats can now block Trump's crazier legislation.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news
Hopefully the Democrats can now block Trump's crazier legislation.
You realise you linked to the News front page. You really wanted
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46120373
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Here is Trump's tweet on the election
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1060056007316045825?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1060056007316045825&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fworld-us-canada-46120373
There’s only been 5 times in the last 105 years that an incumbent President has won seats in the Senate in the off year election. Mr. Trump has magic about him. This guy has magic coming out of his ears. He is an astonishing vote getter & campaigner.
Julius Caesar also wrote about himself in the third person. He ended up genociding a nation.
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Here is Trump's tweet on the election
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1060056007316045825?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1060056007316045825&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fworld-us-canada-46120373
Julius Caesar also wrote about himself in the third person. He ended up genociding a nation.
From James Naughtie's comments on the News at 1:0 p.m., it would appear that trump has gained some sort of advantage. At least, the People have voted in strong enough numbers to give the Democrats some power. Let's hope they use it wisely.
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You realise you linked to the News front page. You really wanted
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46120373
Sorry about that.
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Stop press.... Has Trump's successor already been elected to a lesser office....? https://www.itv.com/news/2018-11-07/dead-brothel-owner-dennis-hof-wins-by-a-landslide-in-nevada-state-election/?fbclid=IwAR0Vxons7AwmhNRG848KVy0BtXRhn1AYRjHy2YIPf9F10WytgSov3QGcOzE
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Did God choose those men to be the leaders of their countries or did he not choose them?
A simple yes or no will suffice.
The fact is that the end is written from the beginning. If you ever read the bible Prophecies you can answer your own questions.
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It was a joke. You said God chose Trump to be president. We all know that Putin rigged the election to get Trump in power. Therefore Putin is God.
Can I sell you some sky hooks?
Basically your reply is about as useful and as purposeful as the question I asked.
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The fact is that the end is written from the beginning. If you ever read the bible Prophecies you can answer your own questions.
Looks like I'll need to, as you obviously cannot. ::)
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Can I sell you some sky hooks?
Basically your reply is about as useful and as purposeful as the question I asked.
Try looking up the word "joke" in a dictionary.
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If Trump cannot be got rid of by impeachment, I suspect he might be taken out by an assassin's bullet. I have heard quite a number of people voicing that opinion. If that were to be the case I doubt too many this side of the pond would be upset by his demise.
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If Trump cannot be got rid of by impeachment, I suspect he might be taken out by an assassin's bullet. I have heard quite a number of people voicing that opinion. If that were to be the case I doubt too many this side of the pond would be upset by his demise.
You don't half write some irresponsible bollocks. Posts like that could get you into trouble.
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If Trump cannot be got rid of by impeachment, I suspect he might be taken out by an assassin's bullet. I have heard quite a number of people voicing that opinion. If that were to be the case I doubt too many this side of the pond would be upset by his demise.
Eh? Are you seriously saying people would not mind someone taking the law into their own hand?
Are you an anarchist?
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If Trump cannot be got rid of by impeachment, I suspect he might be taken out by an assassin's bullet. I have heard quite a number of people voicing that opinion. If that were to be the case I doubt too many this side of the pond would be upset by his demise.
I would, in that circumstance: killing people because you don't like them or their politics (or indeed any other aspect of them) is no solution.
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I would, in that circumstance: killing people because you don't like them or their politics (or indeed any other aspect of them) is no solution.
Of course it is wrong to assassinate a person however awful they are, but Trump is really putting his neck on the line by his behaving in the way he does.
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Of course it is wrong to assassinate a person however awful they are, but Trump is really putting his neck on the line by his behaving in the way he does.
Your original post could be read as incitement.
Besides, history tends to show that it's the good guys that get taken out.
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Your original post could be read as incitement.
Besides, history tends to show that it's the good guys that get taken out.
Because only bad guys think assassination is acceptable.
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Of course it is wrong to assassinate a person however awful they are, but Trump is really putting his neck on the line by his behaving in the way he does.
Then to correct way to deal with him is through politico-legal processes.
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Then to correct way to deal with him is through politico-legal processes.
And the sooner the better, that man gets crazier with each passing day. :o
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You don't half write some irresponsible bollocks. Posts like that could get you into trouble.
How?
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If Trump cannot be got rid of by impeachment, I suspect he might be taken out by an assassin's bullet. I have heard quite a number of people voicing that opinion. If that were to be the case I doubt too many this side of the pond would be upset by his demise.
Not a question of being 'upset'. Assassination is awful. Would you fire the gun?
I wonder about you sometimes.
I've no love for Trump but don't want him murdered.I would, in that circumstance: killing people because you don't like them or their politics (or indeed any other aspect of them) is no solution.
Exactly. Are you a ruthless revolutionary by any chance?
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Your original post could be read as incitement.
No it couldn't. Judging by the amount of security that Trump has (in common with previous incumbents of the post) I'd say a lot of people have a suspicion he might be a target for assassination.
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How?
It could be seen as incitement.
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It could be seen as incitement.
Nowhere did I say he should be assassinated, I suggested the way Trump behaves is making him a target.
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I didn't say he should be assassinated, I suggested the way Trump behaves is making him a target.
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It could be seen as incitement.
No it couldn't.
LR at no point tried to persuade people to go out and assassinate Trump.
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Nowhere did I say he should be assassinated, I suggested the way Trump behaves is making him a target.
If you take a woodenly literal view of your words, yes, but reading between the lines, it could be interpreted as incitement. I'm sure that wasn't your intention, but all the same...
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It’s actually the ‘if he can’t be got rid of by impeachment’ thing that makes it read badly. ‘He could be assassinated’ is just plain fact. ‘If all else fails he could be assassinated’ is somewhat different.
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If you take a woodenly literal view of your words, yes, but reading between the lines, it could be interpreted as incitement. I'm sure that wasn't your intention, but all the same...
No, I think it could only be interpreted as incitement by somebody looking for a fight*.
* a metaphorical fight, not an actual one.
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/nov/23/i-made-a-tremendous-difference-trump-heaps-thanksgiving-praise-on-himself
YE GODS! >:(
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/nov/23/i-made-a-tremendous-difference-trump-heaps-thanksgiving-praise-on-himself
YE GODS! >:(
I don’t think he’s got any self awareness whatsoever.
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I don’t think he’s got any self awareness whatsoever.
Trump doesn't appear to have any boundaries! :o :o
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-us-national-debt-economy-spending-cuts-government-federal-tax-republicans-a8670046.html
Trump says he doesn't care abvout the US national debt!!!!!! That man is really something else! :o
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Since nobody else has brought it up: Trump is about to lose his second Chief of Staff
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46496756
To lose one chief of staff... etc etc.
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Since nobody else has brought it up: Trump is about to lose his second Chief of Staff
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46496756
To lose one chief of staff... etc etc.
Agreed.
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Looks like I'll need to, as you obviously cannot. ::)
REALLY! :)
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Try looking up the word "joke" in a dictionary.
YOU mean you actually make Jokes.. Am I really on religion and ethics or some other twilight zone forum? ::)
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If Trump cannot be got rid of by impeachment, I suspect he might be taken out by an assassin's bullet. I have heard quite a number of people voicing that opinion. If that were to be the case I doubt too many this side of the pond would be upset by his demise.
Life is Life... cowards take out their opponents by foul means not intelligent and capable people. The fact is, that if they are looking for ways to take him out, they don't really have anything and are clutching at straws. The powers that be in American have lost control of the presidency and they cannot make him a puppet as in the past. When too powerful they kill them and that is a coward. American politics should be about election and the running of the country. Not who controls the president and the powers which impact the decisions made for the country.
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Life is Life... cowards take out their opponents by foul means not intelligent and capable people. The fact is, that if they are looking for ways to take him out, they don't really have anything and are clutching at straws. The powers that be in American have lost control of the presidency and they cannot make him a puppet as in the past. When too powerful they kill them and that is a coward. American politics should be about election and the running of the country. Not who controls the president and the powers which impact the decisions made for the country.
Trump is a very dangerous idiot who is not only a danger to his own country but to the rest of the world as well, imo.
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Your original post could be read as incitement.
Besides, history tends to show that it's the good guys that get taken out.
Heydrich?
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There's a meme going round that Trump signed his name in the wrong place on the new NAFTA treaty.
https://twitter.com/MillenPolitics/status/1069733073502330882
It turns out to be false.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/albertonardelli/trump-trudeau-trade-deal-signature
but as Buzzfeed says: "Yes, Trump signing a document in the right place is a news story in 2018."
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46556676
More porkies from Trump!
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46556676
More porkies from Trump!
Which bit are you claiming is lies? Maybe he didn't direct Cohen to break the law in any way that doesn't come with plausible deniability.
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Which bit are you claiming is lies? Maybe he didn't direct Cohen to break the law in any way that doesn't come with plausible deniability.
As Trump has been caught out telling so many lies, I think it highly likely this one is a porkie as well.
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As Trump has been caught out telling so many lies, I think it highly likely this one is a porkie as well.
I think you'll find that under a strict legal definition, he did not direct Cohen to break the law.
See the first part of this to see what I mean.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgX6JFoV0TM
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46583285
What a prat, this guy says," Trump is a terrible human being", which he is, but still supports him. ::)
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Trump is a very dangerous idiot who is not only a danger to his own country but to the rest of the world as well, imo.
Trump is one of the few people in power who is really seeing things as it is. Watching a broadcast this morning it revealed why Trump is making other countries look out for their own defense.
France riots is due to many things including the fact that the president of France Emmanuel Macron's Plans to Create an 'Islam of France. The country already has MEN ONLY quarters and even cafe's, bars and other public footpaths which are MEN ONLY.
Italy is now thinking of leaving the EU.
When are people going to wake up and smell the coffee. The WORLD is a stage.... but for whom the bell tolls is a different story.
The EU now want to build a European Army...Trump is no danger but a united Europe with an army is a very realistic danger. Especially with the force of Islam being pushed on every country in that union. Call Trump all you want and fear your Brexit but we have greater problems and being out of the EU is our safest bet.
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Trump is one of the few people in power who is really seeing things as it is. Watching a broadcast this morning it revealed why Trump is making other countries look out for their own defense.
France riots is due to many things including the fact that the president of France Emmanuel Macron's Plans to Create an 'Islam of France. The country already has MEN ONLY quarters and even cafe's, bars and other public footpaths which are MEN ONLY.
Italy is now thinking of leaving the EU.
When are people going to wake up and smell the coffee. The WORLD is a stage.... but for whom the bell tolls is a different story.
The EU now want to build a European Army...Trump is no danger but a united Europe with an army is a very realistic danger. Especially with the force of Islam being pushed on every country in that union. Call Trump all you want and fear your Brexit but we have greater problems and being out of the EU is our safest bet.
It is sad that you can't see what a dangerous clown that man in the White House is! But I suppose it isn't surprising you support him as you appear to be a right wing extremist. >:(
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46407999
If all that is true, Trump is a scam merchant and then some! >:(
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Being out of the EU with a wild man in the White House, sounds exactly wrong for the UK. We can't look to the US as an ally, so who? China, yeah, right.
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Trump is one of the few people in power who is really seeing things as it is. Watching a broadcast this morning it revealed why Trump is making other countries look out for their own defense.
Trump is a dangerous idiot. He has no grasp whatsoever of geopolitics. He doesn't understand the economics of international trade. He's a liar and a crook.
He's also a serial adulterer and has admitted sexual assault on tape.
I recommend you read Fear: Trump in the Whitehouse by Bob Woodward. He doesn't read his briefing papers. He doesn't listen to experts. He gets most of his "information" from Fox News.
France riots is due to many things including the fact that the president of France Emmanuel Macron's Plans to Create an 'Islam of France. The country already has MEN ONLY quarters and even cafe's, bars and other public footpaths which are MEN ONLY.
Citation needed.
Italy is now thinking of leaving the EU.
Citation needed.
When are people going to wake up and smell the coffee.
You mean covfefe, surely.
The WORLD is a stage.... but for whom the bell tolls is a different story.
True. The first is a quote from As You Like It by Shakespeare. The second is a novel by Earnest Hemmingway.
The EU now want to build a European Army...Trump is no danger but a united Europe with an army is a very realistic danger. Especially with the force of Islam being pushed on every country in that union. Call Trump all you want and fear your Brexit but we have greater problems and being out of the EU is our safest bet.
If we weren't Brexiting, we'd be involved in any European army - or maybe vetoing it.
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True. The first is a quote from As You Like It by Shakespeare. The second is a novel by Earnest Hemmingway.
"For whom the bell tolls" was originally from John Donne - EH was quoting.
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Being out of the EU with a wild man in the White House, sounds exactly wrong for the UK. We can't look to the US as an ally, so who? China, yeah, right.
Good question.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46611178
Trump's charitable foundation is to close down as there are allegations he used the funds for his own use!
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46614138
The made me giggle. ;D
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46611178
Trump's charitable foundation is to close down as there are allegations he used the funds for his own use!
Allegations, not proven yet. I loath Trump, but let's stick with proven facts.
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Allegations, not proven yet. I loath Trump, but let's stick with proven facts.
I said allegations. ::)
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"For whom the bell tolls" was originally from John Donne - EH was quoting.
It is not the name of a literary work by John Donne, it's a quotation from Devotions Upon Emergent Occasions, Meditation XVII. Sassy said "for whom the bell tolls is a different story". The only story I know called "For Whom the Bell Tolls" was written by Hemmingway.
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Gen Mattis resigns:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46640114
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Trump's team are like rats leaving a sinking ship. I hope it sinks without trace before long.
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Of course
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-says-president-when-asked-who-gets-fired-in-obama-shutdown_us_5c1ebfbae4b0407e907b9d10
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Trump's team are like rats leaving a sinking ship. I hope it sinks without trace before long.
No. They are like people who are leaving a sinking ship because a rat is in charge.
Has anyone seen the short video sequence showing the latest departing person (Defense Secretary, I think) with an army officer and Trump, saluting during the national anthem? The other two are ram-rod rigid but Trump is swaying to the music.
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http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/donald-trump-tells-far-right-brazil-president-after-inauguration-usa-is-with-you/ar-BBRGOpq?ocid=ientp
Of course he does....
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This made me smile.
@TranslateRealDT
BECAUSE OF ME, IT'S NOW 2019. THAT'S THE HIGHEST NUMBERED YEAR EVER. MUCH HIGHER THAN OBAMA EVER HAD!
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Righty ho. We now have a deadlock situation. The Federal government is partially shut down because Trump will not sign a budget that does not include his Wall into law, and the Dems will not pass any bill that has funding for the Wall in it.
I see two possible outcomes
1. The Dems make concessions to at least make it look like Trump gets his Wall funding
2. The Republicans eventually come round to the Democrat point of view and help them to force the budget bill through without a wall.
A third theoretical possibility "Trump backs down" exists but I don't think any of us believe he is going to do that.
I guess that:
4. This impasse continues until either Trump is voted out of office or the Dems lose control of the House and the Reps control 60 seats in the Senate
also exists.
Place your bets now...
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46848435
I feel so sorry for the people who are in financial difficulties due to this Government shutdown, the longest in US history!
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-46859164
And now that psycho is threatening to devastate the Turkish economy! >:(
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46915909
The net is closing in. It's getting to the point that the Democrat House of Representatives will have to impeach even if there is little chance that the Senate will convict.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46915909
The net is closing in. It's getting to the point that the Democrat House of Representatives will have to impeach even if there is little chance that the Senate will convict.
Compared to Trump, Nixon would have been a candidate for sainthood.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46915909
The net is closing in. It's getting to the point that the Democrat House of Representatives will have to impeach even if there is little chance that the Senate will convict.
I think that you imply an important point here. People talk as though impeachment were some kind of trial ending in a punitive sentence (eg removal from office). It is not, it is an investigation leading to a statement of possible wrongdoing. It is an indictment not a sentence - as the impeachment of Bill Clinton demonstrated.
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I think that you imply an important point here. People talk as though impeachment were some kind of trial ending in a punitive sentence (eg removal from office). It is not, it is an investigation leading to a statement of possible wrongdoing. It is an indictment not a sentence - as the impeachment of Bill Clinton demonstrated.
Yes, that is completely correct. The House of Representatives impeaches the President. This means they think he has done something that makes him unfit to be president. Once they have impeached him, there is a kind of trial in which the Senate (currently Republican controlled) acts as the jury.
I happen to think that if the Democrat controlled House impeaches and the Republican controlled Senate acquits, that would be a complete catastrophe for the Democrat Party which is probably why they haven't done it yet.
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Another of Trump's associates has been arrested.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47002713
Does Trump attract crooks to his staff or does working for Trump turn people into crooks?
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Another of Trump's associates has been arrested.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47002713
Does Trump attract crooks to his staff or does working for Trump turn people into crooks?
Since this is a report of an indictment not a sentence you are making an unsubstantiated assumption about his guilt. Of course, he may well be a crook, but that has not yet been established.
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Trump and his associates appear to be very dodgy characters. >:(
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Since this is a report of an indictment not a sentence you are making an unsubstantiated assumption about his guilt.
Since you have decided to get all forum lawyerly about it, I'll point out the fact that all I said about Roger Stone is that he has been arrested and that is factually true.
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You implied that he is a crook. I am saying that even though this may be true it has not yet been proved so. Of course you may be using the term "crook"in a less than literal sense.
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Some wag on the internet suggested that if Trump really did want to "lock her up" he should just have employed Hilary at the start of his administration.
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You implied that he is a crook. I am saying that even though this may be true it has not yet been proved so. Of course you may be using the term "crook"in a less than literal sense.
Explain how I implied he was guilty?
| said he has been arrested (which is true). I went on to make a general comment about the relationship of Trump and crooks. At no point did I claim Stone was a crook.
As a matter of interest, what makes you think that the condition of being a crook is defined by whether the person in question has been convicted in court or not? I am pretty sure that Trump is a crook even though he has never been convicted. Famously, despite his assertion to the contrary, president Nixon was definitely a crook even though he was never even indicted.
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Breaking news: a thief has broken into the White House library, and stolen both of President Trump's books - and to make matters worse, he hadn't finished colouring one of them in.
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Breaking news: a thief has broken into the White House library, and stolen both of President Trump's books - and to make matters worse, he hadn't finished colouring one of them in.
Dear, dear that will cause him to have a major temper tantrum and throw all his toys out of his pram. ;D
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Breaking news: a thief has broken into the White House library, and stolen both of President Trump's books - and to make matters worse, he hadn't finished colouring one of them in.
Well, that would appear to be one more book than what was available when John Major visited George Bush senior. According to Major, all that was on offer was The Book of Farts. Still, at least it contained words.
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Well, that would appear to be one more book than what was available when John Major visited George Bush senior. According to Major, all that was on offer was The Book of Farts. Still, at least it contained words.
That’s a relief. From the title, you might suspect it contained something else.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47066659
Apparently god wanted Trump to be president, according to his press secretary!!!!!!!!! The White House should be renamed The Mad House! :o
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47066659
Apparently god wanted Trump to be president, according to his press secretary!!!!!!!!! The White House should be renamed The Mad House! :o
God .. or the devil ... random chance or idiots armed with votes .. is there any difference? :(
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Trump's State of the Union speech gives the impression he thinks he is the greatest president in the history of that country. ::) He will soon be demanding he is made a saint, no doubt also the will of god! ;D
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Says everything you need to know. https://babylonbee.com/news/belligerent-enters-capitol-building-rants-crowd/?fbclid=IwAR05nhHJ-G09F08GR9QRHE83hMF_Hm9pNe4GScO8wD2nPLG51EcF1egnwdQ
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Says everything you need to know. https://babylonbee.com/news/belligerent-enters-capitol-building-rants-crowd/?fbclid=IwAR05nhHJ-G09F08GR9QRHE83hMF_Hm9pNe4GScO8wD2nPLG51EcF1egnwdQ
That sums it up very well.
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Trump is about to have a 3.5 hr physical medical examination, a president of the US is required to have one annually. I think a mental assessment should be requirement too.
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Was idly reading a quotations site and came across this from H. L. Mencken (who died in 1956);
'On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.'
https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/h_l_mencken_490503
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Trump had been boasting about how well he and Kimmy were getting on and how he had done more than any other president to sort out the Korean situation. However it seems to have all fallen apart, and they have no deal.
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Trump had been boasting about how well he and Kimmy were getting on and how he had done more than any other president to sort out the Korean situation. However it seems to have all fallen apart, and they have no deal.
Yes that went well, didn’t it. My notification from BBC news that the summit had collapsed came only 58 minutes after the notification that it had started.
Anyway, it was all designed as a ruse to distract from the Cohen testimony.
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What a spunkbubble he is!
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47418956
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaWa61AyT3g&feature=youtu.be
Jesus H Christ, the man is a moron.
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Trump is to infest the UK with his presence when he makes a two day state visit in June. What a disgusting waste of public money, which could be put to much better use. He should be made to pay for it himself, or better still not come at all.
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Trump is to infest the UK with his presence when he makes a two day state visit in June. What a disgusting waste of public money, which could be put to much better use. He should be made to pay for it himself, or better still not come at all.
I think it will be fun. I think he will find he is not at all popular here,
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I think it will be fun. I think he will find he is not at all popular here,
I'm pretty certain that he know this already. Stand by for the promotion of hormone and antibiotic riddled beef and chlorinated chicken ... as his contribution to a post Brexit deal for Britain.
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I'm pretty certain that he know this already.
I don't. I think he lives in a little fantasy World of his own making.
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I don't. I think he lives in a little fantasy World of his own making.
Last time he put in an appearance in the UK there where a lot of protests, so maybe even that daft clown might have noticed he isn't welcome here.
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Last time he put in an appearance in the UK there where a lot of protests, so maybe even that daft clown might have noticed he isn't welcome here.
If you listen to his pronouncements, it's clear that he has constructed his own little narrative. For example, the Mueller report is fairly damning in terms of his obstruction of justice and yet he is claiming it is a witch hunt that totally exonerates him.
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If you listen to his pronouncements, it's clear that he has constructed his own little narrative. For example, the Mueller report is fairly damning in terms of his obstruction of justice and yet he is claiming it is a witch hunt that totally exonerates him.
I take your point. Trump does seem to think he is some kind of saint.
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Breaking news: a thief has broken into the White House library, and stolen both of President Trump's books - and to make matters worse, he hadn't finished colouring one of them in.
Steve,
Do you wonder why Trump is a rich business man and president of the United States whilst you are not?
Let me see why would anyone think this comment is useful?
Do you think your joke works when you put your positions in life side by side.
He is the one having the last laugh. You are the one whose cage his position has rattled.
A joke belongs in the joke section not in politics and current affairs. We may never see eye to eye with trump but a man who owns and has developed most of New York and is now the President
is not a man you can make such jokes stand about. Whatever you may think he is an high achiever and he is successful.
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I'm pretty certain that he know this already. Stand by for the promotion of hormone and antibiotic riddled beef and chlorinated chicken ... as his contribution to a post Brexit deal for Britain.
You believe our cattle are not given antibiotics or vaccinations?
You yourself know that antibiotics will pass out of the system of whoever takes them when course finished.
You also know that if you use them too often then they are likely to stop working.,
What is it, with everyone they do not want to think for themselves?
We do not need chicken from the USA or the beef. We can do as we always did, make our own.
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Trump is a very sick joke! He has made his money in a very dodgy way, he even boasted about having accounts in tax havens during the election campaign! >:(
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... a man who owns and has developed most of New York ...
Would you mind telling us where you obtained this piece of information?
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Steve,
Do you wonder why Trump is a rich business man and president of the United States whilst you are not?
Steve doesn't seem to be around much but one of the reasons is that Steve was not born in the USA.
Let me see why would anyone think this comment is useful?
Nobody claimed it was useful. It was funny though.
He is the one having the last laugh. You are the one whose cage his position has rattled.
Of Steve and Trump, Trump is the one most likely to end up in prison. I doubt he will have the last laugh.
A joke belongs in the joke section not in politics and current affairs.
I quite agree. Let's evict this joke from the Whitehouse before he screws up even more.
We may never see eye to eye with trump but a man who owns and has developed most of New York and is now the President
is not a man you can make such jokes stand about.
He doesn't own most of New York. I don't know where you got that idea from. Did you know that Trump Tower has 58 floors but there are gaps in the numbering to make the top floor number 64. Do you know what that is? It's Trump lying about the height of his building.
Trump lies more than any other president in history by a factor of at least ten, maybe a hundred. Trump has told more than 10,000 lies while president. Is that the conduct of a man who deserves our respect?
Whatever you may think he is an high achiever and he is successful.
Well he achieved the bankruptcy of five casinos.
Get your head out of his arse.
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Steve,
Do you wonder why Trump is a rich business man and president of the United States whilst you are not?
Let me see why would anyone think this comment is useful?
Do you think your joke works when you put your positions in life side by side.
He is the one having the last laugh. You are the one whose cage his position has rattled.
A joke belongs in the joke section not in politics and current affairs. We may never see eye to eye with trump but a man who owns and has developed most of New York and is now the President
is not a man you can make such jokes stand about. Whatever you may think he is an high achiever and he is successful.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6b/85/34/6b85347c9d6c473ec32899fe8fc3704b.jpg
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Steve,
Do you wonder why Trump is a rich business man and president of the United States whilst you are not?
Let me see why would anyone think this comment is useful?
Do you think your joke works when you put your positions in life side by side.
He is the one having the last laugh. You are the one whose cage his position has rattled.
A joke belongs in the joke section not in politics and current affairs. We may never see eye to eye with trump but a man who owns and has developed most of New York and is now the President
is not a man you can make such jokes stand about. Whatever you may think he is an high achiever and he is successful.
Your whole post is constructed in such a way as to leads me to the conclusion that you, like Trump, are an admirer of that great god Mammon.
I'm pretty sure there is a book you are fond of quoting that isn't that keen on that particular false god.
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We do not need chicken from the USA or the beef. We can do as we always did, make our own.
Delusional or what?
Look on most frozen chicken meals and more often than not the chicken comes from Thailand, I repeat Thailand, how this is even cost effective beats me. That however is not the point, we have not been self-sufficient in supplying our own food for decades, we are currently hovering at about 60% self sufficient. We have to get it from somewhere.
I wish you would engage with facts before posting nonsense.
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Trump is claiming to be strongly pro-life except in cases of rape, incest or if there is a serious risk to the health of the mother. As Trump has a reputation for not being able to keep it in his trousers, I wonder if any of his victims have had abortions?
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There’s a new drama on BBC called Years and Years, Trump features in a pivotal role. Whatever criticisms of the writing and characterisations might be made, I thought the scenario was chillingly plausible. Takes me back to the 80s.
I’m finding it hard to be optimistic. If Trump gets re-elected after everything he’s done and said, there’ll be no effective constraints on idiocy. I’m glad I’m not a young person facing the future now.
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In one way, Trump hasn't really achieved much at all. The problem going forward will be with the Supreme Court.
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There’s a new drama on BBC called Years and Years, Trump features in a pivotal role.
I'll have to watch out for that. Who plays Trump?
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I'll have to watch out for that. Who plays Trump?
Nobody, but the story predicts a second term for Trump which drives one of the storylines. It is on the evidence of the first episode well worth watching. In fact I found it rather brilliant. But I am biased as I like nearly everything RT Davies does.
More info here:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8694364/?ref_=ttfc_fc_tt
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There’s a new drama on BBC called Years and Years, Trump features in a pivotal role. Whatever criticisms of the writing and characterisations might be made, I thought the scenario was chillingly plausible. Takes me back to the 80s.
Hi Christine
I thought it was brilliant, and all too plausible. I thought Russell T. Davis squandered too much of his talents on Dr Who (though fans are no doubt grateful to him for its resurrection) - but he's given us much else that is superb. Including A Very English Scandal re. Thorpe.
I’m finding it hard to be optimistic. If Trump gets re-elected after everything he’s done and said, there’ll be no effective constraints on idiocy. I’m glad I’m not a young person facing the future now.
A glance at the world leaders around doesn't inspire confidence: apart from Trump we have Bolsonaro, Edogan, the Crown Prince of Saudi, Assad, Kim Yong Un - what a bunch of beauties! And who's that Italian guy - I'll have to look him up... Salvini?
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One of these two (https://www.duluthnewstribune.com/sites/default/files/styles/16x9_620/public/fieldimages/1/0709/unassembly15.jpg?itok=EqtmcKDL) is an overweight, blond, hard-right nutcase with a silly hairstyle, and is a serial adulterer and a serial liar, and the other is President Trump.
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Trump and Boris have a lot in common. >:(
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Though it must be said that Boris is far more intelligent and better-educated than Trump. He'd be a disastrous prime minister, all the same.
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Though it must be said that Boris is far more intelligent and better-educated than Trump. He'd be a disastrous prime minister, all the same.
I agree, a primate would be more intelligent than Trump.
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I agree, a primate would be more intelligent than Trump.
and yet he is a President and you are...……………….?
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and yet he is a President and you are...……………….?
Now that would be telling, but it is impolite to blow one's own trumpet.
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I agree, a primate would be more intelligent than Trump.
He is a primate, as are you.
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He is a primate, as are you.
True, but of course I was referring to the apes.
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True, but of course I was referring to the apes.
And he and you are apes too
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And he and you are apes too
No wonder I am covered in black hair! ;D
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No wonder I am covered in black hair! ;D
omg ! the mental imagery is becoming terrifying
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omg ! the mental imagery is becoming terrifying
I assure you the reality is even more terrifying! ;D
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I assure you the reality is even more terrifying! ;D
I won't sleep tonight
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48458780
Trump attacks Robert Mueller! ::)
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And he and you are apes too
It’s pretty obvious that LR was referring to non human primates and/or apes.
Disclaimer: if you hadn’t got in first I was going to post more or less the exact same comments as you did.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48458780
Trump attacks Robert Mueller! ::)
I don’t know what’s going on but that story is currently one about the world’s smallest surviving premature baby. (I like the way they thought it necessary to pixelate her genitals)
The story you really want is now here https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48461356
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I don’t know what’s going on but that story is currently one about the world’s smallest surviving premature baby. (I like the way they thought it necessary to pixelate her genitals)
The story you really want is now here https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48461356
I humbly apologise, :-[I should have checked, having posted about that baby on another thread. I feel bad about that heart warning story being put on a heart destroying thread about that dangerous joke in the White House!
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I'm worried for the Queen ... Trump could just plonk himself down in the wrong place and accidentally crush or obliterate her!
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I'm worried for the Queen ... Trump could just plonk himself down in the wrong place and accidentally crush or obliterate her!
Then Trump would be taken to the Tower and, 'Off with his head'. Now that would be worth watching. ;D
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I tried writing a poem about Donald Trump's state visit, but I had to give up. I couldn't think of a rhyme for "Ivanka".
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I tried writing a poem about Donald Trump's state visit, but I had to give up. I couldn't think of a rhyme for "Ivanka".
How about 'I thank ya'? (done in your best Jimmy Durante prose)
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I've stopped listening to R4 Today because of the naked pro-Conservative, anti-Corbyn bias displayed, particularly by Robinson and Humphrys (Humphrys appears to do no research into any subject at all, I hope he doesn't describe himself as a journalist on his passport). So I check Twitter, just to make sure war hasn't been declared while I was asleep.
This morning I saw a Nuremberg-style rally with a mob chanting "send her back" about an American member of congress, who in my innocence I would have described as the epitome of the "American Dream". The mob was encouraged by the President of the United States, who looked pleased.
I was frightened; it's hard to imagine how women in headscarves feel walking around US cities today. What should sane, reasonable people have done in the early 30s in Germany? What should I do now? Apart from feel upset and helpless, which is quickly becoming normal.
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I am always dubious about claims of bias. I don't think Robinson is. I honestly don't know what Humphreys is but the 'Send her back' chant is both racist and misogynist.
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I am always dubious about claims of bias. I don't think Robinson is. I honestly don't know what Humphreys is but the 'Send her back' chant is both racist and misogynist.
I stopped listening to Today after numerous examples of the same presenter (usually Robinson or Humphrys) doing two interviews on the same programme, one with some Labour representative, one with any Tory. I say naked bias because it was so obvious. Tory: "Do you have any wise words for a grateful electorate?" ... silence from presenter while (usually pro-hard-brexit) right-winger spouts utter rubbish for several minutes. And now Labour: "What have you got to say for yourself?" interviewee begins sentence, gets to 4th or 5th word and presenter cuts them off. Usually with something along the lines of "That Jeremy Corbyn is a terrible racist though, isn't he?" You can check it out for yourself, I think Today programmes are available on line. Robinson has held a number of senior posts in Conservative associations in the past and the programme editor, Sarah Sands, was previously editor of the Standard. It's since her arrival that Today standards have fallen off a cliff. And Rod Liddle used to be the editor! Humphrys is, on the evidence of his interviews on subjects ranging from tennis to physics, brexit, climate change and trans-gender issues, less informed than the average cat. The man is pinching a living.
Trump being a racist and misogynist is a given, it's the enthusiasm with which people embrace this kind of fascistic manipulation that I find so upsetting and worrying. The 2nd World War is still within living memory.
I've heard it suggested that it's better for bad people to be open about it, so we all know exactly what we're dealing with, but personally I'd prefer racists and misogynists that might be walking our streets not to feel empowered by having their views endorsed by people in positions of power.
My hope at the moment is that he's frantically trying to distract from the Epstein case which will finally bring him down, but it's a faint hope. His supporters seem impervious, no matter how grotesque and uncivilised his words and behaviour.
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I stopped listening to Today after numerous examples of the same presenter (usually Robinson or Humphrys) doing two interviews on the same programme, one with some Labour representative, one with any Tory. I say naked bias because it was so obvious. Tory: "Do you have any wise words for a grateful electorate?" ... silence from presenter while (usually pro-hard-brexit) right-winger spouts utter rubbish for several minutes. And now Labour: "What have you got to say for yourself?" interviewee begins sentence, gets to 4th or 5th word and presenter cuts them off. Usually with something along the lines of "That Jeremy Corbyn is a terrible racist though, isn't he?" You can check it out for yourself, I think Today programmes are available on line. Robinson has held a number of senior posts in Conservative associations in the past and the programme editor, Sarah Sands, was previously editor of the Standard. It's since her arrival that Today standards have fallen off a cliff. And Rod Liddle used to be the editor! Humphrys is, on the evidence of his interviews on subjects ranging from tennis to physics, brexit, climate change and trans-gender issues, less informed than the average cat. The man is pinching a living.
Trump being a racist and misogynist is a given, it's the enthusiasm with which people embrace this kind of fascistic manipulation that I find so upsetting and worrying. The 2nd World War is still within living memory.
I've heard it suggested that it's better for bad people to be open about it, so we all know exactly what we're dealing with, but personally I'd prefer racists and misogynists that might be walking our streets not to feel empowered by having their views endorsed by people in positions of power.
My hope at the moment is that he's frantically trying to distract from the Epstein case which will finally bring him down, but it's a faint hope. His supporters seem impervious, no matter how grotesque and uncivilised his words and behaviour.
I don’t think Trump is a racist in the conventional sense of the word. I don’t think he cares about anybody except himself. He made those racist remarks about the “squad” because he perceives his base would like them and he calculated (wrongly, I hope) it would drive a wedge between the squad and the party leadership.
As far as Trump is concerned everybody is there to be exploited by him no matter what the colour of their skin or where they their ancestors came from.
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I stopped listening to Today after numerous examples of the same presenter (usually Robinson or Humphrys) doing two interviews on the same programme, one with some Labour representative, one with any Tory. I say naked bias because it was so obvious. Tory: "Do you have any wise words for a grateful electorate?" ... silence from presenter while (usually pro-hard-brexit) right-winger spouts utter rubbish for several minutes. And now Labour: "What have you got to say for yourself?" interviewee begins sentence, gets to 4th or 5th word and presenter cuts them off. Usually with something along the lines of "That Jeremy Corbyn is a terrible racist though, isn't he?" You can check it out for yourself, I think Today programmes are available on line. Robinson has held a number of senior posts in Conservative associations in the past and the programme editor, Sarah Sands, was previously editor of the Standard. It's since her arrival that Today standards have fallen off a cliff. And Rod Liddle used to be the editor! Humphrys is, on the evidence of his interviews on subjects ranging from tennis to physics, brexit, climate change and trans-gender issues, less informed than the average cat. The man is pinching a living.
Trump being a racist and misogynist is a given, it's the enthusiasm with which people embrace this kind of fascistic manipulation that I find so upsetting and worrying. The 2nd World War is still within living memory.
I've heard it suggested that it's better for bad people to be open about it, so we all know exactly what we're dealing with, but personally I'd prefer racists and misogynists that might be walking our streets not to feel empowered by having their views endorsed by people in positions of power.
My hope at the moment is that he's frantically trying to distract from the Epstein case which will finally bring him down, but it's a faint hope. His supporters seem impervious, no matter how grotesque and uncivilised his words and behaviour.
The BBC is a well oiled machine that has had so many years of experience practising it's propaganda, making sure that we the overall percentage of the public are kept thinking in the way they think is good for us.
They treat us in much the way, I would describe as comparable with the use of the way the paddles are operated on a pinball machine, little and often points are made almost unnoticeable adjustments without missing a one so that when you add all of these minor adjustments together they're not such a small beer.
Regards ippy
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I don’t think Trump is a racist in the conventional sense of the word. I don’t think he cares about anybody except himself. He made those racist remarks about the “squad” because he perceives his base would like them and he calculated (wrongly, I hope) it would drive a wedge between the squad and the party leadership.
As far as Trump is concerned everybody is there to be exploited by him no matter what the colour of their skin or where they their ancestors came from.
I'll go with this post of yours jp, good post.
Regards ippy
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I think Trump is a nationalist. He cares for his country and is telling everyone to care for their country instead of focusing on the US. That is not a bad thing.
Thinking of the US as a free playground where anyone can walk in.....is not correct. The American Dream is not sustainable if the whole world has the same dream.
I think Trump is only trying to reverse the trend that started in the 60's and 70's. If everyone worked for their own country (with lesser salaries and benefits of course) however hard it may be, the whole world could be like America someday.
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I think Trump is a nationalist. He cares for his country and is telling everyone to care for their country instead of focusing on the US. That is not a bad thing.
Thinking of the US as a free playground where anyone can walk in.....is not correct. The American Dream is not sustainable if the whole world has the same dream.
I think Trump is only trying to reverse the trend that started in the 60's and 70's. If everyone worked for their own country (with lesser salaries and benefits of course) however hard it may be, the whole world could be like America someday.
Nope. He's a racist. And arguably a fascist (time will tell on that one).
"Send her back".
"Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how...."
As three out of the four congresswomen involved were born in the US, is that the country Trump was talking about?
Your defence of him as telling everyone to care for the country is nonsense. He uses divisive language and enables legislation against women, people of colour, the LGBT community and anyone more left wing than Marine Le Pen. If you are caring for a nation that means the whole nation not just the 40% of nut jobs that voted for you.
He is using the oldest tricks in the bigots toolbox. Divide and conquer. Othering. Hatred.
Your post is shameful.
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I think Trump is a nationalist. He cares for his country
No he clearly doesn't care about his country except insofar as he can exploit it for his own personal gain.
and is telling everyone to care for their country instead of focusing on the US. That is not a bad thing.
The only problem with that is that, for the four people he directed his remarks at, their country is the USA.
Thinking of the US as a free playground where anyone can walk in.....is not correct.
You mean like Trump's own grandparents and two of his wives?
The American Dream is not sustainable if the whole world has the same dream.
What is the American Dream?
I think Trump is only trying to reverse the trend that started in the 60's and 70's. If everyone worked for their own country (with lesser salaries and benefits of course) however hard it may be, the whole world could be like America someday.
What? like a country where getting into an argument could get you shot? Where there is no guarantee that you can get healthcare without bankrupting yourself?
No thanks.
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No he clearly doesn't care about his country except insofar as he can exploit it for his own personal gain.
The only problem with that is that, for the four people he directed his remarks at, their country is the USA.
You mean like Trump's own grandparents and two of his wives?
What is the American Dream?
What? like a country where getting into an argument could get you shot? Where there is no guarantee that you can get healthcare without bankrupting yourself?
No thanks.
You could use Trump as an example of a pure capitalist and Ill settle for the relationship we have the US remaining as it is, no more or any less.
I'm at one with this post of yours jp, I just thought I'd add the above.
Regards ippy
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Here's a clever piece of humour which avoided detection by the authorities : https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49116539
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Here's a clever piece of humour which avoided detection by the authorities : https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49116539
I was disappointed they didn't manage to work the McDonalds logo into it.
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Donny throws a hissy fit bcause those pesky Vikings won't play ball.... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49416740
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Donny throws a hissy fit bcause those pesky Vikings won't play ball.... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49416740
Had to laugh when I heard. Why on earth would Denmark sell it. Or then Denmark all Austin Powers and demand some ridiculous price "100 trillion dollars!"
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So, the animated bundle of excrement known as Trump has cancelled its State Visit to Denmark.
Denmark doesn't realise just how fortunate it is.
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So, the animated bundle of excrement known as Trump has cancelled its State Visit to Denmark.
Denmark doesn't realise just how fortunate it is.
Doesn't it? They seemed mighty gleeful about turning down Trump's offer.
Anyway, I'm looking forward to Trump asking England how much we want for the island of Ireland.
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There was a comment on Radio 4 this morning re Trump being due to give a talk at a university while he was there, and Obama being booked also to give a talk there around the same time. The thinking is that Trump was terrified of a rapturous reception for Obama and a lousy one for him, so he concocted the Greenland nonsense as an excuse to get off the hook.
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There was a comment on Radio 4 this morning re Trump being due to give a talk at a university while he was there, and Obama being booked also to give a talk there around the same time. The thinking is that Trump was terrified of a rapturous reception for Obama and a lousy one for him, so he concocted the Greenland nonsense as an excuse to get off the hook.
That seems highly plausible. He could have just cancelled the university talk though.
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Apparently he is, according to himself that is, now the 'Chosen One'.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/21/trump-press-conference-greenland-jewish-democrats
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Democracy to Pathocracy to Autocracy? ..... https://tinyurl.com/y2xmzjee
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Apparently he is, according to himself that is, now the 'Chosen One'.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/21/trump-press-conference-greenland-jewish-democrats
He's a megalomaniac. I sincerely hope his 'supporters' wake up to that fact in the near future.
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Looks like he's decided to conquer space - just as well Dr Who is British.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/29/trump-space-command-launch
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Trump's latest stupidity was to threaten to nuke hurricanes! :o Maybe he nuked this terrible one over the Bahamas, and that it why it is at a standstill!
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Trump's latest stupidity was to threaten to nuke hurricanes! :o Maybe he nuked this terrible one over the Bahamas, and that it why it is at a standstill!
I think that was at least a couple back, since then there's been this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49518612?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world/us_and_canada&link_location=live-reporting-story, and this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49532408?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world/us_and_canada&link_location=live-reporting-correspondent
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I think that was at least a couple back, since then there's been this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49518612?intlink_from_url=/news/world/us_and_canada&link_location=live-reporting-story, and this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49532408?intlink_from_url=/news/world/us_and_canada&link_location=live-reporting-correspondent
That man gets crazier with each passing day if that is possible. :o
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Apparently he's warned Alabama about the hurricane....despite Alabama not being threatened by it. So, that's all right, then. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/hurricane-dorian-trump-twitter-florida-weather-forecast-mar-a-lago-a9089476.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2ueOJrYlQNbxudE6nU_jlPX4tsRpNQj7tU8UPcuqNnNbMduE6W_MTtfiA#Echobox=1567502817
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Bigly storm. So sad. Wet in terms of water, windy in terms of air.
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I think that was at least a couple back, since then there's been this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49518612?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world/us_and_canada&link_location=live-reporting-story, and this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49532408?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world/us_and_canada&link_location=live-reporting-correspondent
Don't forget he's also expressed surprise that such a thing as a category 5 hurricane exists. Also, he cancelled a trip to Poland in order to oversee the disaster relief operations but then went to play golf instead.
Also, I think his missing a G7 meeting about the environment in order to have talks with Angela Merkel when Angela Merkel was actually in the meeting he missed might postdate the nuclear hurricane thing.
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Don't forget he's also expressed surprise that such a thing as a category 5 hurricane exists. Also, he cancelled a trip to Poland in order to oversee the disaster relief operations but then went to play golf instead.
Also, I think his missing a G7 meeting about the environment in order to have talks with Angela Merkel when Angela Merkel was actually in the meeting he missed might postdate the nuclear hurricane thing.
The sheer weight means that it's often quite difficult to maintain proper anger. It's a version of compassion fatigue with mad idiocy fatigue
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Not only is he the greatest meteorologist, but, apparently, a wonder when it comes to map making as well...... https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-fake-map-alabama-hurricane-dorian-storm-forecast-a9092321.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1TToJjGQgl2h2JkyeALWZ7FzBvYifW7W9eyymXJXoIYCZdOLBfIyVqqXQ#Echobox=1567660863
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Not only is he the greatest meteorologist, but, apparently, a wonder when it comes to map making as well...... https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-fake-map-alabama-hurricane-dorian-storm-forecast-a9092321.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1TToJjGQgl2h2JkyeALWZ7FzBvYifW7W9eyymXJXoIYCZdOLBfIyVqqXQ#Echobox=1567660863
And none of it seems to matter. It's the sheer inconsequence of his veniality at times which somehow makes people ignore the big lies.
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And none of it seems to matter. It's the sheer inconsequence of his veniality at times which somehow makes people ignore the big lies.
It definitely matters. US main stream media has been banging on about this since it happened. The problem is that the Trump base has become like a cult, ignoring facts that they don't like.
By the way, the map he showed, even without the Trump bulge, would be disingenuous, it's several days old and the track of the hurricane has altered considerably since then.
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It definitely matters. US main stream media has been banging on about this since it happened. The problem is that the Trump base has become like a cult, ignoring facts that they don't like.
By the way, the map he showed, even without the Trump bulge, would be disingenuous, it's several days old and the track of the hurricane has altered considerably since then.
Except the point I was making is that, as you say, it doesn't impact the base support. It's factored in, or will be fake news to them.
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Here's a thought. In recent weeks, Trump has been a no show at or cancelled meetings in Denmark, Poland, at the G7 and now with the Afghan government and the Taliban. There seems to be a pattern emerging and one explanation would be that he really is suffering sort of mental degenerative disease and his staff are trying to keep him away from situations where that would be uncovered.
Any thoughts?
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Here's a thought. In recent weeks, Trump has been a no show at or cancelled meetings in Denmark, Poland, at the G7 and now with the Afghan government and the Taliban. There seems to be a pattern emerging and one explanation would be that he really is suffering sort of mental degenerative disease and his staff are trying to keep him away from situations where that would be uncovered.
Any thoughts?
That is an interesting suggestion and one which might well have some merit.
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Here's a thought. In recent weeks, Trump has been a no show at or cancelled meetings in Denmark, Poland, at the G7 and now with the Afghan government and the Taliban. There seems to be a pattern emerging and one explanation would be that he really is suffering sort of mental degenerative disease and his staff are trying to keep him away from situations where that would be uncovered.
Any thoughts?
For me, it's a show - he created a reason (being refused negotiations on buying Greenland) to show how no-nonsense he is by arbitrarily cancelling unilaterally, or he makes a big display of his capacity to take it or leave it (G7). It's about re-establishing his reputation for being able to dictate timeframes to people and only going places where he can get something concrete. Now he's cancelled a meeting so super-secret no-one in Congress apparently even knew it was happening - I've not seen anything concrete yet to suggest that it actually was ever happening and he's not just throwing more shit at the wall he hasn't built yet either to see what sticks with his following.
O.
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I've not seen anything concrete yet to suggest that it actually was ever happening
Both the Afghan government and the Taliban have confirmed they were set to go and meet him.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-49624132
Do you think the degenerative disease hypothesis has any merit? It would also explain why Trump takes Ivanka to a lot of these international meetings. She's there to protect him.
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Donald has a lightbulb moment, though not an especially illuminating one.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/sep/13/trump-orange-skin-hue-lightbulbs-energy-efficient
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...Dr Who is British.
Gallifreyan, I think you'll find.
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Meanwhile it looks like impeachment might be more likely as more Democrats coming out in support.
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And impeachment even more likely
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49814927
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[quo >:(
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49814927
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No doubt all Trump's sycophants, who think he can do no wrong, will support him to the hilt.
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[quo >:(
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49814927
No doubt all Trump's sycophants, who think he can do no wrong, will support him to the hilt.
Most of this information you present here seems to come to you via the BBC or the Guardian, try somewhere else.
Regards, ippy.
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Most of this information you present here seems to come to you via the BBC or the Guardian, try somewhere else.
Regards, ippy.
Why should we?
IF you think the info is wrong point out how. If not just stop with your ridiculous vendetta against these two organisations.
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Why should we?
IF you think the info is wrong point out how. If not just stop with your ridiculous vendetta against these two organisations.
I didn't say either way deliberately but surly it must be good or better or preferable to gather information from as wide a spectrum of sources as possible before making up your mind about any subject and equally good to avoid the sources that declare you persona non grata if you don't align yourself with their viewpoint, I would have thought, if you haven't noticed this persona thing with some outlets more than others where have you been?
Regards, ippy.
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I didn't say either way deliberately but surly it must be good or better or preferable to gather information from as wide a spectrum of sources as possible before making up your mind about any subject and equally good to avoid the sources that declare you persona non grata if you don't align yourself with their viewpoint, I would have thought, if you haven't noticed this persona thing with some outlets more than others where have you been?
Perhaps - some outlets (say, Fox News) are not journalism, they are propoganda masquerading as journalism, the news equivalent of WWE as sport. Others, such as the Daily Mail, have a demonstrable history of only reporting some of the facts, and building narratives that suit their ideological perspective based upon that.
The Guardian, whilst with a well-established left-of-centre ideological point of view, at least reports the available facts in as much of their entirety as is viable - they then produce opinion influenced by their take on those facts, the facts themselves are there.
The BBC is consistently one of the most even-handed, issue-neutral journalistic outlets in the world. Right and left extremes in pretty much equal measure criticise the coverage claiming bias against them - individual presenters and shows have an inclination one way or the other, to the point where there are even internal arguments played out (Andrew Neil and the Mash Report springs to mind, recently), but as an organisation, overall they've proven consistently reliable on the vast majority of issues to the point where, if there is a consistent criticism, it's that in the quest for balance they give the oxygen of publicity to extremist nonsense that has no place in the public realm: climate change deniers, anti-vaxxers, pseudoscience homeopaths, Nigel Farage and the like.
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Most of this information you present here seems to come to you via the BBC or the Guardian, try somewhere else.
Regards, ippy.
OK. Here's the memorandum of the telephone conversation:
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/25/politics/donald-trump-ukraine-transcript-call/index.html
Note CNN calls it a transcript, but it is not, it's a reconstruction from notes taken during the call. Anyway, the text on the page is exactly what the Trump administration released.
Here you can read the whistleblower letter
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/sep/26/whistleblower-trump-ukraine-read-in-full-text-document
Yes, I know it's a Guardian story, but it has the full letter published so you can make up your own mind.
Having read both those documents, I think Trump is as guilty as a puppy sitting next to a pile of poo.
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I too think Trump is guilty as charged.
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OK. Here's the memorandum of the telephone conversation:
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/25/politics/donald-trump-ukraine-transcript-call/index.html
Note CNN calls it a transcript, but it is not, it's a reconstruction from notes taken during the call. Anyway, the text on the page is exactly what the Trump administration released.
Here you can read the whistleblower letter
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/sep/26/whistleblower-trump-ukraine-read-in-full-text-document
Yes, I know it's a Guardian story, but it has the full letter published so you can make up your own mind.
Having read both those documents, I think Trump is as guilty as a puppy sitting next to a pile of poo.
I've had a brief look at both links given in your post and can't see any connection with our brexit goings on.
The only connection I think there might be is where out of the continuing sheer desperation of remainers to use anything they can find to flout leave that they're trying to make some sort of, or somehow connect the general negative feelings some people have for Trump and to hopefully plant very similar feelings about Trump on to Boris into the minds general populace over here in the UK.
Regards, ippy.
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The behaviour of Boris and his buddy, Trump, is idiotic at best and is doing neither of their countries any good at all. >:(
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The behaviour of Boris and his buddy, Trump, is idiotic at best and is doing neither of their countries any good at all. >:(
Looks like it's working.
Regards, ippy
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Looks like it's working.
Regards, ippy
Hopefully people will see sense and Boris and Trump will be consigned to the sewer of history where they both belong. >:(
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Hopefully people will see sense and Boris and Trump will be consigned to the sewer of history where they both belong. >:(
Fine I'm OK with that L R as long as he gets us out of the EU, hopefully, before he goes.
Regards, ippy.
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Fine I'm OK with that L R as long as he gets us out of the EU, hopefully, before he goes.
Regards, ippy.
Hopefully people will see sense and realise we need the EU, probably even more than the EU needs us.
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Hopefully people will see sense and realise we need the EU, probably even more than the EU needs us.
Well there's the thing L R remain or leave we both think we've got it right, the biggest part of that difference is there was a free and fair vote for leave or stay, well you know the rest.
Regards, ippy.
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Well there's the thing L R remain or leave we both think we've got it right, the biggest part of that difference is there was a free and fair vote for leave or stay, well you know the rest.
Regards, ippy.
Fixed that for you.
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Fixed that for you.
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Like I keep on saying we'll never be agreeing on this one.
Regards, ippy.
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Fixed that for you.
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Like I keep on saying we'll never be agreeing on this one.
Regards, ippy.
If only multiple court cases had made it clear that one side repeatedly violated campaign finance regulations, if only one side hadn't demonstrably accepted money from foreign powers to influence the domestic campaign, if only there wasn't a well-documented investigation into the deliberate lies of one side of the debate....
If only we had that.
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I've had a brief look at both links given in your post and can't see any connection with our brexit goings on.
Why would there be? This is the Trump thread.
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I wonder if Trump and Boris are related, they are getting more and more like each other? Boris has now been accused of inappropriately touching women, just like Trump! :o
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Like I keep on saying we'll never be agreeing on this one.
I think the point is that the Electoral Commission doesn't agree with you: https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/media-statement-vote-leave (https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/media-statement-vote-leave)
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I wonder if Trump and Boris are related, they are getting more and more like each other? Boris has now been accused of inappropriately touching women, just like Trump! :o
They were both born in New York City ...
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They were both born in New York City ...
I thought Trump had decided he was German now? ::)
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They were both born in New York City ...
Trump is 18 years older than Boris, so could be his Daddy. ;D
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"As I have stated strongly before, and just to reiterate, if Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey (I’ve done before!). They must, with Europe and others, watch over....the captured ISIS fighters and families. The U.S. has done far more than anyone could have ever expected, including the capture of 100% of the ISIS Caliphate. It is time now for others in the region, some of great wealth, to protect their own territory. THE USA IS GREAT!'
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"As I have stated strongly before, and just to reiterate, if Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey (I’ve done before!). They must, with Europe and others, watch over....the captured ISIS fighters and families. The U.S. has done far more than anyone could have ever expected, including the capture of 100% of the ISIS Caliphate. It is time now for others in the region, some of great wealth, to protect their own territory. THE USA IS GREAT!'
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Tomorrow that idiot will probably do or say something which contradicts his present stance on Turkey! >:(
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Great and unmatched losses
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/losses-more-than-double-to-10m-at-donald-trump-s-turnberry-resort-1-5019490/amp?__twitter_impression=true
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So we can expect the total destruction and obliteration of the Economy of Turkey any minute.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-49983357
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It will be interesting to see what Trump will do, threaten to nuke Turkey, maybe? ::)
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So we can expect the total destruction and obliteration of the Economy of Turkey any minute.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-49983357
No, because Trump doesn't consider stabbing your allies in the back to be off limits (in his wisdom that I agree is unmatched).
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No, because Trump doesn't consider stabbing your allies in the back to be off limits (in his wisdom that I agree is unmatched).
But Trump is the best at TRUTH. His truthiness knows no bounds. It is the truth of the ages, and people everywhere say that to him. He is the TRUTHBEARER.
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Meanwhile
https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/10/08/us/carter-building-houses-after-stitches-falling-trnd/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0mYeUKxRQT8OIfeIMbNEKDdIsjeyVIbYEovnOLxvGn-E_sYUEZfZCjV2g&r=https%3A%2F%2Fm.facebook.com%2F
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Kurds, what are they good for?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2019/oct/10/donald-trump-says-kurds-didnt-help-us-with-normandy-video?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium=&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1570669518
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But Trump is the best at TRUTH. His truthiness knows no bounds. It is the truth of the ages, and people everywhere say that to him. He is the TRUTHBEARER.
Trump gives a whole new meaning to the word TRUTH, LIES
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Bizarre, and quite scary
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-shooting-video-graphic-spoof-video-depicts-trump-image-shooting-political-enemies-news-kingsman-church-scene/
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Bizarre, and quite scary
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-shooting-video-graphic-spoof-video-depicts-trump-image-shooting-political-enemies-news-kingsman-church-scene/
What lovely people, NOT! :o
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Not at all corrupt
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-has-awarded-next-years-g-7-summit-of-world-leaders-to-his-miami-area-resort-the-white-house-said/2019/10/17/221b32d6-ef52-11e9-89eb-ec56cd414732_story.html#click=https://t.co/c2LNkzJIOZ
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Look at the interpreter's reaction to the geographical genius.... https://www.indy100.com/article/trump-syria-turkey-mattarella-white-house-oval-office-sand-9159881?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1F-OffBypAJw2Iq06WdcAhYpob_uwoLxHJXaUVR7N2Fl_0wIlVfn66n24#Echobox=1571328908
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The next G7 summit will not now be held at Trumps' golf course in Florida. People thought he wanted to have it there to feather his own next, which is highly likely.
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So.....a timely revision of the Lewisian Trilemma....
https://babylonbee.com/news/podcast-20-trump---liar-lunatic-or-lord-with-ben-howe
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So.....a timely revision of the Lewisian Trilemma....
https://babylonbee.com/news/podcast-20-trump---liar-lunatic-or-lord-with-ben-howe
Trump is a liar and a lunatic who thinks he is a lord. >:(
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Trump is a liar and a lunatic who thinks he is a lord. >:(
Wel he is the president of the United States, so, under a broad definition of "lord" (and "lunatic") he is all three.
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Wel he is the president of the United States, so, under a broad definition of "lord" (and "lunatic") he is all three.
True. :o
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50200339
One sick and depraved man talking about another! ::)
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Completely normal for a sitting president
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-ordered-to-pay-2-million-to-charities-over-misuse-of-foundation-court-documents-say/2019/11/07/b8f804e2-018e-11ea-9518-1e76abc088b6_story.html#click=https://t.co/iJIZ5GVA5e
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Trump is a liar and a lunatic who thinks he is a lord. >:(
I didn't notice your above quoted post before LR.
My response is:-
Not quite - Trump thinks he is THE Lord :-).
I'll come back and look at NS's link.
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I didn't notice your above quoted post before LR.
My response is:-
Not quite - Trump thinks he is THE Lord :-).
I'll come back and look at NS's link.
Which lord there are so many of them?
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-ordered-to-pay-2-million-to-charities-over-misuse-of-foundation-court-documents-say/2019/11/07/b8f804e2-018e-11ea-9518-1e76abc088b6_story.html
I wonder if the painting of The Donald which he purchased can be copied and made into gift shop icons (to be sold to the 'Faithful', all proceeds going to charity). NS. On candles too except he'd gradually melt away.
LR: Zeus?
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Apparently Trump is favouring the UK with his presence 10 days before the election. >:(
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Apparently Trump is favouring the UK with his presence 10 days before the election. >:(
He'll probably be seeking political asylum by then. The impeachment hearings are not going well for him.
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Apparently Trump is favouring the UK with his presence 10 days before the election. >:(
When he will no doubt make some deeply inappropriate comment.
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When he will no doubt make some deeply inappropriate comment.
Of course, no doubt whilst cuddling up to his dearest buddy Farage! >:(
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Utterly bizarre (a phrase I am sure I have written many times on this thread)
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-impeachment-hearings-twitter-ambassador-testimony-marie-yovanovitch-tweets-a9204606.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2Mfip6VFwMlkmpa_EFCVbX2mSB9e608OT7Ot05GRWJ7j4H2M7HIASsEjw#Echobox=1573832745
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50438196
Trump's ally Roger Stone has been convicted of lying, he and Trump should share a prison cell.
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Utterly bizarre (a phrase I am sure I have written many times on this thread)
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-impeachment-hearings-twitter-ambassador-testimony-marie-yovanovitch-tweets-a9204606.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2Mfip6VFwMlkmpa_EFCVbX2mSB9e608OT7Ot05GRWJ7j4H2M7HIASsEjw#Echobox=1573832745
He really doesn't know when to STFU.
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He really doesn't know when to STFU.
And yet he gets away with it in some ways because he doesn't know when to STFU. I've never really understood if it's just how he is or if it's a brilliant tactic.
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Another in the performance art piece that is President Trump
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/11/trump-coin-commemorative-coin-centennial-100-year-anniversary-womens-suffrage.html
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Another in the performance art piece that is President Trump
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/11/trump-coin-commemorative-coin-centennial-100-year-anniversary-womens-suffrage.html
Trust Trump to appear to take the credit for the coin being minted! Soon he will be claiming Women's Suffrage was down to him! ;D
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Trust Trump to appear to take the credit for the coin being minted! Soon he will be claiming Women's Suffrage was down to him! ;D
I think plenty of women have suffered because of him.
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I think plenty of women have suffered because of him.
That would seem to be the case. >:(
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He'll probably be seeking political asylum by then. The impeachment hearings are not going well for him.
Except that he doesn't really need to care about the impeachment hearings. If they get far enough that the house recommends impeachment, he knows that the Senate Republican majority will back him as much to spite the Democrats and be able to accuse them of a witch-hunt. Impeachment serves his interests so long as he has a loaded Senate, and he knows it. He has to do a little firefighting in the meantime whilst there's nothing else on the news, but the cretins that elected him did so BECAUSE he'll do this sort of shit - it shows he's not the 'normal' politician, which is what they think they want, when what they actually want is different politics, but the likes of Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders aren't being pitched to them by the right wing media that they're misinformed by.
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Except that he doesn't really need to care about the impeachment hearings. If they get far enough that the house recommends impeachment, he knows that the Senate Republican majority will back him as much to spite the Democrats and be able to accuse them of a witch-hunt. Impeachment serves his interests so long as he has a loaded Senate, and he knows it. He has to do a little firefighting in the meantime whilst there's nothing else on the news, but the cretins that elected him did so BECAUSE he'll do this sort of shit - it shows he's not the 'normal' politician, which is what they think they want, when what they actually want is different politics, but the likes of Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders aren't being pitched to them by the right wing media that they're misinformed by.
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The objective at this point is not to get Trump fired or even to persuade Trump supporters to vote for somebody else. The objective is to persuade as many non-Trump supporters as possible to actually vote and to vote for somebody else. As things stand, it is obvious to everybody except, apparently, Republicans that Trump is as guilty as hell. This will hopefully feed into the general election and then, if Trump loses, his immunity from prosecution will be revoked and he will be going to prison.
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The objective at this point is not to get Trump fired or even to persuade Trump supporters to vote for somebody else. The objective is to persuade as many non-Trump supporters as possible to actually vote and to vote for somebody else. As things stand, it is obvious to everybody except, apparently, Republicans that Trump is as guilty as hell. This will hopefully feed into the general election and then, if Trump loses, his immunity from prosecution will be revoked and he will be going to prison.
I think some Republicans aren't thrilled by Trump either, but still prefer him to the idea of a president from the other party, unfortuately.
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I think some Republicans aren't thrilled by Trump either, but still prefer him to the idea of a president from the other party, unfortuately.
Last act of a Trump presidency will be a Trump pardon to Trump with a Supreme Court that will likely back it.
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The objective at this point is not to get Trump fired or even to persuade Trump supporters to vote for somebody else. The objective is to persuade as many non-Trump supporters as possible to actually vote and to vote for somebody else. As things stand, it is obvious to everybody except, apparently, Republicans that Trump is as guilty as hell. This will hopefully feed into the general election and then, if Trump loses, his immunity from prosecution will be revoked and he will be going to prison.
Surely, the REAL problem associated with him being re-elected is the undemocratic distortion effected by the Electoral College. The size of the popular vote is of little importance if the voting pattern of the last presidential election is repeated.
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Last act of a Trump presidency will be a Trump pardon to Trump with a Supreme Court that will likely back it.
You are probably right. :o
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The objective at this point is not to get Trump fired or even to persuade Trump supporters to vote for somebody else. The objective is to persuade as many non-Trump supporters as possible to actually vote and to vote for somebody else. As things stand, it is obvious to everybody except, apparently, Republicans that Trump is as guilty as hell. This will hopefully feed into the general election and then, if Trump loses, his immunity from prosecution will be revoked and he will be going to prison.
I'm pretty sure most of the Republican Party are well aware that he's guilty as hell, half of them are just hoping the investigation doesn't uncover their own indiscretions - but he's useful for their purpose, so they'll back him. The Republicans, like the Tories over here, are the party of cynicism - it doesn't have to be good or right, it just has to get us elected.
Long-winded public hearings with regular disruptions from stooge Republicans aren't going to convince anyone of anything in a click-bait media world - an impeachment gets broadcast as a witchhunt, and no impeachment gets broadcast as vindication and everything else gets lost twenty seconds later when Kanye West does nothing with the sort of blank, emotionless, soulless stare that gets Greta Thunberg pilloried, and then we're back onto Doris finding an image of Jesus in her Big Mac...
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The performance art previously mentioned continues:
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/11/27/both-sad-and-funny-whole-new-level-president-united-states-america-just-tweeted?
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Last act of a Trump presidency will be a Trump pardon to Trump with a Supreme Court that will likely back it.
I don't think a president can pardon himself, and even if he can, it only provides immunity to federal crimes. New York State currently has investigations in progress on Trump's financials.
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Long-winded public hearings with regular disruptions from stooge Republicans aren't going to convince anyone of anything in a click-bait media world - an impeachment gets broadcast as a witchhunt, and no impeachment gets broadcast as vindication and everything else gets lost twenty seconds later when Kanye West does nothing with the sort of blank, emotionless, soulless stare that gets Greta Thunberg pilloried, and then we're back onto Doris finding an image of Jesus in her Big Mac...
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You clearly haven't been following the public hearings. CNN's coverage hasn't been witch-hunt-like at all. Only Fox News of the major media has been spinning it in Trump's favour and even they are having trouble digesting Republican crap. But Fox doesn't matter, they cater to the people who you will not persuade to vote against Trump. The entire point is to mobilise enough of the other people to overwhelm Trump supporters in the general election.
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Trust Trump to appear to take the credit for the coin being minted! Soon he will be claiming Women's Suffrage was down to him! ;D
I think you may be missing the point. The daft sod wondered why a coin to commemorate the centenary wasn't minted a long time ago.
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The UK is polluted by the presence of the White House idiot, who arrived yesterday! >:(
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He's going to Watford, just down the road from me.
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He's going to Watford, just down the road from me.
You better wear a pollution protection outfit. ;D
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He's going to Watford, just down the road from me.
Perhaps he is going to apply for the football team manager's job.
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Perhaps he is going to apply for the football team manager's job.
I'd give him 5, 6 minutes top in the job
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'I Love Watford, Watford LOVES ME Bigly!!! I am the best Soccerist ever. Mourinho is an idiot that I have never had anything to do with, and I'll beat the Beatles team. Hornets will sting everyone. Go Watford!! Go Me!!!'
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I'd give him 5, 6 minutes top in the job
Long enough for him to tweet ' I am going to make Watford great again'.
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'I Love Watford, Watford LOVES ME Bigly!!! I am the best Soccerist ever. Mourinho is an idiot that I have never had anything to do with, and I'll beat the Beatles team. Hornets will sting everyone. Go Watford!! Go Me!!!'
Trump's foray into American Football ended in exactly the way you'd expect a Trump enterprise to end.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/Yh3tYKfmj87t47gP0XfXHW/what-happened-when-donald-trump-bought-a-football-team
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Trump's foray into American Football ended in exactly the way you'd expect a Trump enterprise to end.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/Yh3tYKfmj87t47gP0XfXHW/what-happened-when-donald-trump-bought-a-football-team
And there is the time he did the cup draw with Saint and Greavsie
https://youtu.be/RRMJ3ftUtnw
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The 'conservative Christians' who think Trumps' remarks here are Biblical obviously haven't quite managed to get to the New Testament yet. Maybe their poor ickle fingers got tired reading. https://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2018/03/conservative-christians-accept-trumps-incest-fantasy-its-biblical/?fbclid=IwAR0Zbm23wssdUzi4IZGexZ19rJKrQ0zBroh_a3cHVGANshyCSU9LOV04b6g
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It has just been announced that the impeachment of Trump will go ahead. I doubt it will get very far as the Senate who have the final say, have a Republican majority.
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The 'conservative Christians' who think Trumps' remarks here are Biblical obviously haven't quite managed to get to the New Testament yet. Maybe their poor ickle fingers got tired reading. https://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2018/03/conservative-christians-accept-trumps-incest-fantasy-its-biblical/?fbclid=IwAR0Zbm23wssdUzi4IZGexZ19rJKrQ0zBroh_a3cHVGANshyCSU9LOV04b6g
Words fail me ;D.
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We knew this anyway - unfortunately. https://www.businessinsider.com/david-duke-kkk-trump-election-2016-11?fbclid=IwAR2qXmJywO_xBKqECB7MVSa_xbLntsaxxwh0ucM4C5eILrW1OJVD2q8RcK8&r=US&IR=T
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We knew this anyway - unfortunately. https://www.businessinsider.com/david-duke-kkk-trump-election-2016-11?fbclid=IwAR2qXmJywO_xBKqECB7MVSa_xbLntsaxxwh0ucM4C5eILrW1OJVD2q8RcK8&r=US&IR=T
I think the KKK would be a banned organisation if it existed here in the UK, as it should be in the US. >:(
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The charges
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50731010
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I heard on CNN that the impeachment has actually helped Trump. His supporters are now more determined than before. And the lack luster democrat nominees don't seem to inspire much confidence either...
The impeachment really was a rushed affair.... and doesn't seem to have made much of a dent somehow....!
What do you think?
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As the Senate has a Republican majority it will make no difference to Trump's election chances and might even enhance them. >:(
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He's going to Watford, just down the road from me.
Perhaps he'll fall into the Gap and disappear.
I heard on CNN that the impeachment has actually helped Trump. His supporters are now more determined than before. And the lack luster democrat nominees don't seem to inspire much confidence either...
The impeachment really was a rushed affair.... and doesn't seem to have made much of a dent somehow....!
What do you think?
I fear you may be correct.
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As the Senate has a Republican majority it will make no difference to Trump's election chances and might even enhance them. >:(
Perhaps his slogan should be - You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can fool all of the Republicans all of the time.
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I heard on CNN that the impeachment has actually helped Trump. His supporters are now more determined than before. And the lack luster democrat nominees don't seem to inspire much confidence either...
The impeachment really was a rushed affair.... and doesn't seem to have made much of a dent somehow....!
What do you think?
Too soon to say. The thing is that the Dems needed to do something to shore up their own support. Not impeaching him was going to look like cowardice. The Senate 'trial' depends on what approach is taken. He won't be impeached but damage might still be done dependent on the process and whether some Reps support some Dem demands.
Also it's important how any approach Trump takes to the hearing plays with the floating voters.
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Too soon to say. The thing is that the Dems needed to do something to shore up their own support. Not impeaching him was going to look like cowardice.
It was already beginning to look like cowardice. That plus the fact of the 25 July phone call made it virtually impossible not to start impeachment proceedings. If they weren't going to impeach for something as blatant as that, what would they impeach for?
He won't be impeached
Pedantry alert: he has been impeached. What hasn't happened (and what won't happen) is conviction in the Senate.
but damage might still be done dependent on the process and whether some Reps support some Dem demands.
Also it's important how any approach Trump takes to the hearing plays with the floating voters.
Nobody's mind is going to be changed by anything that happens from now on. Pretty much everybody who isn't a registered Republican (and some who are) knows he's corrupt and incompetent. The Republicans who support him are caught in a web of cult behaviour and confirmation bias. What natters is who is going to be able to persuade the most voters to go out and vote at the general election.
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After missing out on Time Person of the Year, Trump has now won an award
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/dec/16/lie-of-the-year-donald-trump-whistleblower-wrong/
Yes, he's won "Lie of the Year 2019"
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After missing out on Time Person of the Year, Trump has now won an award
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/dec/16/lie-of-the-year-donald-trump-whistleblower-wrong/
Yes, he's won "Lie of the Year 2019"
Very well deserved!
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Funny isn't it that everyone calls Trump a fool and Boris Johnson a fool....yet these people are so popular and are winning elections.
Is it that popular support is often seen as the support of the 'masses' who are unthinking and uneducated people....even though that is no longer true?!
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Funny isn't it that everyone calls Trump a fool and Boris Johnson a fool....yet these people are so popular and are winning elections.
Is it that popular support is often seen as the support of the 'masses' who are unthinking and uneducated people....even though that is no longer true?!
ooooh ! And it makes me wonder .....🎶🎵
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Funny isn't it that everyone calls Trump a fool and Boris Johnson a fool....yet these people are so popular and are winning elections.
Is it that popular support is often seen as the support of the 'masses' who are unthinking and uneducated people....even though that is no longer true?!
Never thought Johnson is a fool but he is a dangerous lying racist
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Funny isn't it that everyone calls Trump a fool and Boris Johnson a fool...
I don't think Johnson's a fool in the same way Trump is (thick as shit), but they are both narcissistic liars who tell a significant proportion of the people what they want to hear, rather than the truth.
...yet these people are so popular and are winning elections.
Is it that popular support is often seen as the support of the 'masses' who are unthinking and uneducated people....even though that is no longer true?!
Well, half the electorate are still below average intelligence...
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It seems that wind turbines (or as he calls them, 'windmills') have caught his attention sufficiently to expound on the subject - clearly his expertise know no bounds, as this quote shows.
But they’re manufactured tremendous if you’re into this, tremendous fumes. Gases are spewing into the atmosphere. You know we have a world, right? So the world is tiny compared to the universe. So tremendous, tremendous amount of fumes and everything.
“You talk about the carbon footprint, fumes are spewing into the air, right? Spewing. Whether it’s in China, Germany, it’s going into the air. It’s our air, their air, everything, right?”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/23/trump-bizarre-tirade-windmills
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Twelve moments (and counting) of Trumpmas. https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/trump-2019-quotes-impeachment-allegations-north-korea-racism-tweets-a9254241.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3JlzXMSJSmLXaBMjv-M1z4p0zHCT5H7-N9S-bdzt1qQyIm2sF5zs8YZcM#Echobox=1577103352
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'Interesting times'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-50979463
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'Interesting times'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-50979463
The extermination of this unpleasant sewer rat is likely to stir up more trouble in the region, even though he deserved to die.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50982313
Oil prices have risen due to increased tension in the Middle East since that man was killed.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50982313
Oil prices have risen due to increased tension in the Middle East since that man was killed.
I bloody knew it!
My stockpile of Three-in-One will be worth a fortune by tonight👍
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Of course
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/trump-once-said-only-a-weak-and-ineffective-president-like-obama-would-try-and-start-a-war-with-iran-to-get-re-elected/ar-BBYzrrW
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NS
That tweeted (or whatever it was) quote of Trump that you posted above is desperately, utterly, unbelievably stupid. And even more sadly, it is not unbelievable that he said it.
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Nothing is unbelievable where that cretin, Trump, is concerned!
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-50996602
Trump is ratcheting up the tension in the Middle East by making those threats.
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Charming or what?
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/01/01/outrage-and-disgust-after-serial-killer-navy-seal-pardoned-trump-war-crimes-rebrands?fbclid=IwAR2BgftH1zJSEWTVtpIWVd5ylFnwXHlcsNxWbUiiaz2HR5XOPloSOEjpq3Y
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Charming or what?
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/01/01/outrage-and-disgust-after-serial-killer-navy-seal-pardoned-trump-war-crimes-rebrands?fbclid=IwAR2BgftH1zJSEWTVtpIWVd5ylFnwXHlcsNxWbUiiaz2HR5XOPloSOEjpq3Y
SICK and then some!
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A take on the killing of Soleimani
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/01/lies-the-bethlehem-doctrine-and-the-illegal-murder-of-soleimani/?fbclid=IwAR3pfJhjQ1p-oISmOoaCcEcRzSv86VyRwLAvQvCno0Cz3SxthrzS5uAJ_aQ
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51010441
It is being suggested that the US/Iranian crisis could assist Trump to win the upcoming presidential election. It is just possible he engineered the present situation with that in mind.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51010441
It is being suggested that the US/Iranian crisis could assist Trump to win the upcoming presidential election. It is just possible he engineered the present situation with that in mind.
"just possible"? Seems obvious that he wants to show that he is "Making America Great Again".
If Iran inflicts further violence to "take revenge", I expect that would be fine with Trump and he can roll out the big guns. He could fabricate any excuse anyway.
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"just possible"? Seems obvious that he wants to show that he is "Making America Great Again".
If Iran inflicts further violence to "take revenge", I expect that would be fine with Trump and he can roll out the big guns. He could fabricate any excuse anyway.
That dangerous man needs to be kicked out of office before he starts WW3!
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"just possible"? Seems obvious that he wants to show that he is "Making America Great Again".
If Iran inflicts further violence to "take revenge", I expect that would be fine with Trump and he can roll out the big guns. He could fabricate any excuse anyway.
https://www.newyorker.com/cartoons/daily-cartoon/thursday-june-20th-reelection-campaign
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I wonder if the Donald remembers what he has said in the past;he said Republicans beware, Obama was going to start a war with Iran in order to be re-elected and now he is threatening to do the same - presumably in order to be re-elected.
Do the American people really want more war and will UK be expected to support them if they do. It's worrying.
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A take on the killing of Soleimani
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/01/lies-the-bethlehem-doctrine-and-the-illegal-murder-of-soleimani/?fbclid=IwAR3pfJhjQ1p-oISmOoaCcEcRzSv86VyRwLAvQvCno0Cz3SxthrzS5uAJ_aQ
I think Murray is overanalysing it. Pompeo was simply lying. At a later press conference, he claimed the imminent attacks were ones that had already happened.
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That dangerous man needs to be kicked out of office before he starts WW3!
Though others might see him as not appeasing and therefore more likely to stop war.
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I think Murray is overanalysing it. Pompeo was simply lying. At a later press conference, he claimed the imminent attacks were ones that had already happened.
And yet the support for the U.S. action from Johnson today is based on it.
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Some interesting numbers on Trump and other world leaders approval ratings around the world. Would like to see them for Johnson.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51012853
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I have to agree with those that see trump as rather a brash personality and he certainly manages to brush a lot of peoples feathers the wrong way.
However I do also think he's one of those people that can only be fairly judged after some long term and not by how abrasive he is but by the results he manages to acquire.
I'm reserving my judgement, I don't know yet.
I hope he doesn't see this mailing of mine only I wouldn't want to worry him too much.
ippy.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-51063149
Trump thinks he should have been awarded the 2019 Nobel Peace Prize!!!! ;D
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And yet the support for the U.S. action from Johnson today is based on it.
That doesn't put my mind at rest.
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However I do also think he's one of those people that can only be fairly judged after some long term and not by how abrasive he is but by the results he manages to acquire.
I don't judge him by how abrasive he is, I judge him by the overwhelming evidence that he is a corrupt liar and a crook.
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That doesn't put my mind at rest.
I wasn't trying to
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An interesting and depressing view of Trump’s foreign policy
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/01/trump-iran-war-crimes-cultural-bomb-foreign-policy.html
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The Iranian statements sound unusually honest.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51073621 :D
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???
https://www.indy100.com/article/trump-rally-toilets-dishwashers-showers-lightbulbs-milwaukee-speech-9284171?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0AZjQxTSKfBHXs_svTuVQN31zEp8pvdHwxFxCUE6LhHx_qJLnf-vqC7To#Echobox=1579086671
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I suppose it was only a matter of time that this would happen:
https://www.euronews.com/2020/01/21/iran-mp-offers-three-million-dollar-bounty-to-whoever-kills-trump
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Romney to vote to accept the impeachment of Trump. Hmmmm
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Hmm...We all laud democracy and yet...when things happen against our wishes...words like populism, majoritarianism, view of uneducated masses...etc. start being used.
Should the majority vote and then get that vote approved by the minority...?! Seems paradoxical to me! ::)
This applies to the Brexit thread and to the India situation also.
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Hmm...We all laud democracy and yet...when things happen against our wishes...words like populism, majoritarianism, view of uneducated masses...etc. start being used.
Should the majority vote and then get that vote approved by the minority...?! Seems paradoxical to me! ::)
This applies to the Brexit thread and to the India situation also.
The majority voted for Hillary Clinton
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As NS said, the majority voted for Hillary Clinton.
In case Sriram is not aware of the American system for acquiring a president: the president is not elected by the people of the USA but by an Electoral College.
The nationwide election is not to elect a president but to determine each state's representation in the Electoral College. Each state's representation in the College is the number of members of the House of Representatives (Congressmen) that state returns (which is dependent of the state's population) plus its two Senators. The larger states, such as California and New York, tend to have proportionally fewer Congressmen than small states. All Electoral College members vote for the candidate who "won" their state.
Hence, the majority of American voters (by a considerable margin) voted for Hillary Clinton but the distortions of the Electoral College ensured that Donald Trump became president. You may recall that - among other things - Donald Trump attempted to dispute the reality of the national public vote.
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As NS said, the majority voted for Hillary Clinton.
In case Sriram is not aware of the American system for acquiring a president: the president is not elected by the people of the USA but by an Electoral College.
The nationwide election is not to elect a president but to determine each state's representation in the Electoral College. Each state's representation in the College is the number of members of the House of Representatives (Congressmen) that state returns (which is dependent of the state's population) plus its two Senators. The larger states, such as California and New York, tend to have proportionally fewer Congressmen than small states. All Electoral College members vote for the candidate who "won" their state.
Hence, the majority of American voters (by a considerable margin) voted for Hillary Clinton but the distortions of the Electoral College ensured that Donald Trump became president. You may recall that - among other things - Donald Trump attempted to dispute the reality of the national public vote.
Indeed - and what an insane system it is. It should be a simple head-count.
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And another thing: why does every state, no matter how big or small its population, have two senators?
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Hmm...We all laud democracy and yet...when things happen against our wishes...words like populism, majoritarianism, view of uneducated masses...etc. start being used.
Should the majority vote and then get that vote approved by the minority...?! Seems paradoxical to me! ::)
This applies to the Brexit thread and to the India situation also.
Unfortunately democracy is crap and there's no perfect way of implementing it anyway - at base it relies on an "argumentum ad populum" fallacy - except we're not even saying that we get the "right" decisions, just that we can resolve many conflicts without falling back into violence.
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President Donald Trump said, “People are dying who have never died before.”
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Some minor inaccuracies in the below:
The nationwide election is not to elect a president but to determine each state's representation in the Electoral College. Each state's representation in the College is the number of members of the House of Representatives (Congressmen) that state returns (which is dependent of the state's population) plus its two Senators. The larger states, such as California and New York, tend to have proportionally fewer Congressmen than small states. All Electoral College members vote for the candidate who "won" their state.
The senators are not in the Electoral College. The electoral college consists of delegates. Each state gets a delegate for each member of the House of Representatives and a delegate for each senator of which there are always two per state. The number of representatives (i.e. members of the House of Representatives) are roughly in proportion to the population of the state based on the ten yearly census.
The imbalance arises because all states - even really small ones - are entitled to at least one representative and exactly two senators.
Most states instruct all of the electoral college delegates to vote for the presidential candidate that won the popular vote in their state. So, for example, in California, the Democrat candidate almost always wins the popular vote and therefore all 55 electoral college delegates are instructed to vote for the Democrat. However, Maine and Nebraska instruct two delegates to vote based on the winner of the popular vote and the other delegates to vote based on the split of representatives. So Maine has 11 delegates, two of them will vote based on the popular vote over the whole state and the other nine will vote based on the representatives returned. If the Dems win four districts and the GOP wins five and the popular vote goes too the GOP, then seven Maine delegates will vote Republican and four will vote Dem.
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President Donald Trump said, “People are dying who have never died before.”
Well, that made me laugh of course! But it's really desperate when the US has such an idiot in charge.
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Some minor inaccuracies in the below:
The senators are not in the Electoral College.
Where do I say they are?
Your second point is well made - the use of electoral districts determining the state representation rather than the popular vote is a clear distortion.
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Where do I say they are?
Each state's representation in the College is the number of members of the House of Representatives (Congressmen) that state returns (which is dependent of the state's population) plus its two Senators
Your second point is well made - the use of electoral districts determining the state representation rather than the popular vote is a clear distortion.
I think both ways are problematic. In California, if the Dems get 50.1% of the vote, the Dem candidate gets all 55 delegates. The best way IMO is to do away with the Electoral College altogether and use the popular vote over the whole USA, perhaps using a single transferable vote model.
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President Donald Trump said, “People are dying who have never died before.”
It's a lovely quote but, unfortunately, not true.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-quote-never-died-before/
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Although the US is very badly affected by Covid-19 the White House cretin had declared he hopes it will be over by Easter Sunday, and life will return to normal. It is about time a place is found for him in a lunatic asylum. >:(
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52029546
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Would you mind telling us where you obtained this piece of information?
I found the information when reading up on him.
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Although the US is very badly affected by Covid-19 the White House cretin had declared he hopes it will be over by Easter Sunday, and life will return to normal. It is about time a place is found for him in a lunatic asylum. >:(
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52029546
Let’s hope he’s right.
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Oh, good heavens. Someone has woken the sleeping beauty.
On 13 May, last year, Sassy wrote:
Steve,
Do you wonder why Trump is a rich business man and president of the United States whilst you are not?
Let me see why would anyone think this comment is useful?
Do you think your joke works when you put your positions in life side by side.
He is the one having the last laugh. You are the one whose cage his position has rattled.
A joke belongs in the joke section not in politics and current affairs. We may never see eye to eye with trump but a man who owns and has developed most of New York and is now the President
is not a man you can make such jokes stand about. Whatever you may think he is an high achiever and he is successful.
I asked her to justify her statement that Trump "owns and has developed most of New York" and I now have a reply.
I found the information when reading up on him.
I suspect you were reading a fairy tail, Sassy, and a pretty grim one at that. The word "most" implies more than 50%, so you stated that Donald J Trump owns more than half of New York (City). The Wikipedia entry Donald Trump contains the following:
When he filed mandatory financial disclosure forms with the Federal Elections Commission (FEC) in July 2015, Trump claimed a net worth of about $10 billion; however FEC figures cannot corroborate this estimate because they only show each of his largest buildings as being worth over $50 million, yielding total assets worth more than $1.4 billion and debt over $265 million. Trump said in a 2007 deposition, "My net worth fluctuates, and it goes up and down with markets and with attitudes and with feelings, even my own feelings."
$1.4 billion represents only a tiny portion of the real estate value of NYC.
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Trump is claiming that the 85,000 positive test results in the US are a tribute to testing, what a moron!
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No testing - no cases or related deaths :)
To be fair they have got their testing regime going after the initial delays, failures and faulty kits.
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Oh, good heavens. Someone has woken the sleeping beauty.
On 13 May, last year, Sassy wrote:
Steve,
Do you wonder why Trump is a rich business man and president of the United States whilst you are not?
Let me see why would anyone think this comment is useful?
Do you think your joke works when you put your positions in life side by side.
He is the one having the last laugh. You are the one whose cage his position has rattled.
A joke belongs in the joke section not in politics and current affairs. We may never see eye to eye with trump but a man who owns and has developed most of New York and is now the President
is not a man you can make such jokes stand about. Whatever you may think he is an high achiever and he is successful.
I asked her to justify her statement that Trump "owns and has developed most of New York" and I now have a reply.
I suspect you were reading a fairy tail, Sassy, and a pretty grim one at that. The word "most" implies more than 50%, so you stated that Donald J Trump owns more than half of New York (City). The Wikipedia entry Donald Trump contains the following:
When he filed mandatory financial disclosure forms with the Federal Elections Commission (FEC) in July 2015, Trump claimed a net worth of about $10 billion; however FEC figures cannot corroborate this estimate because they only show each of his largest buildings as being worth over $50 million, yielding total assets worth more than $1.4 billion and debt over $265 million. Trump said in a 2007 deposition, "My net worth fluctuates, and it goes up and down with markets and with attitudes and with feelings, even my own feelings."
$1.4 billion represents only a tiny portion of the real estate value of NYC.
Seems the usual things in the throw. But no one had yet shown why Trump should not be present or why if any it was by default when it was all done within the law and lines of election in the USA. They will probably never have another JFk or another Abe Lincoln some not keen on his abolishing slavery but the fact is there is always a reason why some people voted into office. Winston Churchill for instance said " He had no idea why he had learned all he had done all he had done till he became prime minister during war time. Then everything made sense/ He believed this was Gods plan for his life. The Queen also believes her being Queen was Gods plan for her life. Personal worth does not always show the real worth and value of a person or how much money they make. Wealth does fluctuate but truth remains the same. So far nothing has changed to make a difference to the truths we learn. The night before he died, Lincoln dreamed of himself laying in a coffin in his residence. He knew he had been shot but met his destiny still going to the theatre. It was his choice and yet today he one of the greatest presidents in the history of the USA. If someone is making decisions for a country it should be about the benefit for the good of all in health and wealth. At the end of the day this is important to every man and woman.
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It was his choice and yet today he one of the greatest presidents in the history of the USA.
Yes. So he keeps telling us. ::)
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Trump will go down as the worst president the US has ever had. >:(
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Yes. So he keeps telling us. ::)
I think, in that instance, Sassy was talking about Lincoln.
As LR says, Trump is the worst president in US history. This would be a challenging time for any president, but Trump is showing unparalleled levels of incompetence.
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Trump will go down as the worst president the US has ever had. >:(
To be fair, he's got unemployment to a record low, although the downward trend under Obama has simply continued down at the same rate, and the American economy is fairly healthy under him.
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I think, in that instance, Sassy was talking about Lincoln.
As LR says, Trump is the worst president in US history. This would be a challenging time for any president, but Trump is showing unparalleled levels of incompetence.
My apologies. So she was.
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To be fair, he's got unemployment to a record low, although the downward trend under Obama has simply continued down at the same rate, and the American economy is fairly healthy under him.
There's a slight dent in that record
https://images.fastcompany.net/image/upload/w_596,c_limit,q_auto:best,f_auto/wp-cms/uploads/2020/03/i-1-90483028-new-york-times-front-page-graphic-e1585318943997.png
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I think, in that instance, Sassy was talking about Lincoln.
As LR says, Trump is the worst president in US history. This would be a challenging time for any president, but Trump is showing unparalleled levels of incompetence.
Trump does a brilliant job of being totally incompetent.
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I have seen this on another forum.
https://www.gq.com/story/the-cult-of-trump
Trump is even worse than I thought, and that is saying something. :o
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try this;
https://youtu.be/t4yZaoA90Jk
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Trump claimed Seoul has a population of 38 million (wrong by a margin of 28 million).
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/03/30/824202653/fact-check-trumps-claims-on-u-s-testing-and-seoul-s-population?t=1585742583747
It turns out that Seoul has an elevation of 38 metres. Coincidence? I think not.
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Jonathan Freedland appraises the orange-tinged arse.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/27/trump-narcissism-american-blood-coronavirus
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I have seen this on another forum.
https://www.gq.com/story/the-cult-of-trump
Looks like he's coming out of a space ship like in Close Encounters.
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Looks like he's coming out of a space ship like in Close Encounters.
I wish they would put that dangerous imbecile in space ship and send him on a one way trip to the over side of the universe!
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My sister sent me a very amusing photo the title of which is, 'A properly fitted mask can save many thousands of lives'. It featured Trump with his whole face covered in silver duct tape. ;D
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My sister sent me a very amusing photo the title of which is, 'A properly fitted mask can save many thousands of lives'. It featured Trump with his whole face covered in silver duct tape. ;D
I've seen it on FB. ;D
With Trump in the Oval Office, to me it's been like being in a crowded room where we all are seated in chairs with our hands tied behind our backs with a toddler in the center of the room playing with a loaded gun. The worst of it? His approval ratings actually rose once he started holding his televised briefings (I can't bear to watch them.)
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I've seen it on FB. ;D
With Trump in the Oval Office, to me it's been like being in a crowded room where we all are seated in chairs with our hands tied behind our backs with a toddler in the center of the room playing with a loaded gun. The worst of it? His approval ratings actually rose once he started holding his televised briefings (I can't bear to watch them.)
Are you near the reopened beach in Florida?
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I've seen it on FB. ;D
With Trump in the Oval Office, to me it's been like being in a crowded room where we all are seated in chairs with our hands tied behind our backs with a toddler in the center of the room playing with a loaded gun. The worst of it? His approval ratings actually rose once he started holding his televised briefings (I can't bear to watch them.)
Compare his approval ratings with what happened to Bush 43's ratings after 9/11. Bush got a 35% boost, Trump got a 5% boost which is already dissipating.
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Many of us thought Bush was pretty hopeless, but compared with Trump he was a brilliant president.
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Are you near the reopened beach in Florida?
No, I'm in Orlando. But, after reading that COVID-19, like all viruses, doesn't last long at all in the sun, in high humidity, and when it's windy. That describes a beach perfectly, so I'm wondering if opening the beaches might be a good thing. Uber minimal risk, and a big does of mental health supply. (Some really need this kind of thing to stay sane--but not me. I was never crazy about the beach, except in the evening for a walk. Divine.)
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I have seen this on another forum.
https://www.gq.com/story/the-cult-of-trump
Trump is even worse than I thought, and that is saying something. :o
Last night, an old evangelical acquaintance (old friends of my parents) sent me a private message urging me to listen to a youtube video of a preacher talking about Trump's godly aunts who were part of some movement (I guess you have to be a good evangelical to recognize the name.) He went on about how these were Trump's mother's aunts, and that his mother named him "Donald" after one of the key people in this movement, how that very same Bible his aunts used sits in the oval office today. barf. She implored that I listen to him through to the end. I did, and I replied that I just can't see Jesus in anything he says, in anything Trump is or has done or is still doing. She replied how Trump supports the Military, Israel, Christians who were losing their freedoms. He's anti-globalism, and anti abortion. In my reply, I defended that I can't see Jesus caring about any of these things. And Israel? The Jesus I follow would be with the Palestinians. He would speak new parables about the "Good Palestinian," and the Palestinian who by law deserves to be executed--the one he rescues by simply asking the vengeful crowd one question. The Jesus I follow would direct his famous woes to Israel, and to American Christians who simply don't see what is happening at our southern borders to mothers, fathers, and their lost children; or what is happening in our government where all the wealth and entitlements are reserved for the very rich and the plight of the poor just gets harder and harder.
She told we can never worship together, but that she loved me. (scratching my head with that one.)
I'm so glad I left all this when I did. But, having been there makes Trump and even more painful reminder to me of just how cruel Christians can be in their arrogant disregard for pain and suffering in this world. They don't even mind being part of what causes it. I did end by telling her that if I'm damned, then I'm counting on Jesus being my final judge.
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I suspect Jesus would not have wanted Trump or the Christians who support him as his followers.
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I'm taking the Trump's mother and aunts will be the Wee Frees, given his mother came from the island of Lewis. By any stretch Trump would be an abomination to the Wee Frees but they might accept him in order to allow whatever happens to the Supreme Court - which has been the most important decision that the election, and the next election have been about.
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his mother named him "Donald" after one of the key people in this movement,
His surname wouldn't have been 'Duck' by any chance, would it?
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His surname wouldn't have been 'Duck' by any chance, would it?
Sounds almost exactly like Duck (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XhuIMGpOec).
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Sounds like Duck.
Please don't insult the cartoon character, by linking him to the White House lunatic.
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Read an OpEd in The Atlantic this morning a friend had posted to FB, and the writer suggests that Trump's strategy behind prematurely reopening the economy has two ends in mind: first, a culling of the poorest and most desperate among us who will go to work first (not to disclude the elderly and their penchant for wanting Social Security and Medicare preserved) and second, as a way to restart the economy so Trump can claim economic victory just in time for the Nov 2020 elections. There is a third in what he said too. Trump's war with State Governors is also playing right into his hands creating an unprecedented division between all the states and the federal government. As I write this, the gun-toting nuts are out in the streets protesting their governors for taking away their precious freedoms.
One thing about Trump, as much as I despise the man, I fear most of us underestimate his brazen cunning and how brilliantly it works in his favor, every. single. time. Ugh!!
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Trump's supporters lap it all up and think he can do no wrong so he gets away with it, making him all the more dangerous. >:(
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One thing about Trump, as much as I despise the man, I fear most of us underestimate his brazen cunning and how brilliantly it works in his favor, every. single. time. Ugh!!
Yes it is quite impressive how he has managed to turn his disastrous handling of the pandemic into a call to arms for freedom. I watched a clip on the internet yesterday of these so-called "protesters" berating medical staff who are dealing with the crisis who tried to make them see sense.
The only outcome I can see from this particular part of the Trump madness is more infection and more heartbreak for the American people.
Almost as if he wants to encourage the virus so that if he doesn't manage to galvanise his base he could have a reason to postpone the election.
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Yes it is quite impressive how he has managed to turn his disastrous handling of the pandemic into a call to arms for freedom. I watched a clip on the internet yesterday of these so-called "protesters" berating medical staff who are dealing with the crisis who tried to make them see sense.
The only outcome I can see from this particular part of the Trump madness is more infection and more heartbreak for the American people.
Almost as if he wants to encourage the virus so that if he doesn't manage to galvanise his base he could have a reason to postpone the election.
I think if he can postpone the election he will do so.
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I think if he can postpone the election he will do so.
It doesn't occur to you that postponing it might be the appropriate thing to do?
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It doesn't occur to you that postponing it might be the appropriate thing to do?
It may well be, but that would not be Trump's reasoning for postponing.
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It doesn't occur to you that postponing it might be the appropriate thing to do?
Not really.
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It may well be, but that would not be Trump's reasoning for postponing.
Probably not, but I get seriously fed up with LR banging on about the evil of Trump (whom I despise as much as anyone) on every single thread, and at every opportunity.
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Probably not, but I get seriously fed up with LR banging on about the evil of Trump (whom I despise as much as anyone) on every single thread, and at every opportunity.
I will continue to bang on about that lunatic, whether you like it or not. :P
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I will continue to bang on about that lunatic, whether you like it or not. :P
I don't doubt it. ::)
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It doesn't occur to you that postponing it might be the appropriate thing to do?
Trump's actions are killing people. He must be removed from office and there are three legitimate ways to do this.
1. impeachment
2. 25th amendment
3. losing a general election.
Options 1 and 2 are closed at the moment, so that leaves you with option 3. There absolutely must be a general election in November. If not, the USA will become a dictatorship.
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Trump's actions are killing people. He must be removed from office and there are three legitimate ways to do this.
1. impeachment
2. 25th amendment
3. losing a general election.
Options 1 and 2 are closed at the moment, so that leaves you with option 3. There absolutely must be a general election in November. If not, the USA will become a dictatorship.
I agree, the US is looking more and more like a dictatorship with that ghastly excuse for a human in charge. >:(
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I've always believed he knows something the rest of us don't, a kind of trump card (forgive the pun) where he basically takes over. I don't see how it could happen, but I believe he is planning something of the sort, and even if he doesn't fully succeed, he will have destroyed the integrity of the American political system permanently (if that hasn't already happened.)
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I've always believed he knows something the rest of us don't, a kind of trump card (forgive the pun) where he basically takes over. I don't see how it could happen, but I believe he is planning something of the sort, and even if he doesn't fully succeed, he will have destroyed the integrity of the American political system permanently (if that hasn't already happened.)
I can understand that but I used to see the exact same statements about Obama from some Republicans
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I've always believed he knows something the rest of us don't, a kind of trump card (forgive the pun) where he basically takes over. I don't see how it could happen, but I believe he is planning something of the sort, and even if he doesn't fully succeed, he will have destroyed the integrity of the American political system permanently (if that hasn't already happened.)
Trump does seem to be trying to turn the US into a dictatorship where he will reign until he kicks the bucket, like Putin is trying to achieve in Russia.
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Trump does seem to be trying to turn the US into a dictatorship where he will reign until he kicks the bucket, like Putin is trying to achieve in Russia.
And, as America is the one nation that has beenleading the hold on Russian expansion in check for years, Putin is, I have no doubt, thinking that the longer Trump is in power the freer hand he has to get away with more murder than he has so far!
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And, as America is the one nation that has beenleading the hold on Russian expansion in check for years, Putin is, I have no doubt, thinking that the longer Trump is in power the freer hand he has to get away with more murder than he has so far!
That may well be the case. >:(
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I can understand that but I used to see the exact same statements about Obama from some Republicans
I really hate these "both sides are as bad as each other" arguments. Look at the evidence. Obama was not a threat to American democracy, Trump is.
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I really hate these "both sides are as bad as each other" arguments. Look at the evidence. Obama was not a threat to American democracy, Trump is.
I'm not really making the 'both sides are as bad as each other' point, I think Trump is much worse but it's easy to see things as a bigger threat from the 'other side' so I think we need tl check our own confirmation biases continually.
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I really hate these "both sides are as bad as each other" arguments. Look at the evidence. Obama was not a threat to American democracy, Trump is.
Agreed.
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Remember when Hilary Clinton said about half of Trump supporters are deplorable?
Well here's one of the said deplorables
https://twitter.com/ConorBlenner/status/1252870171422715907/photo/1
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkU1ob_lHCw
The Liar Tweets Tonight.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkU1ob_lHCw
The Liar Tweets Tonight.
Watching that was the best thing that happened to me today.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkU1ob_lHCw
The Liar Tweets Tonight.
BRILLIANT, BRILLIANT, BRILLIANT. Thank you so much for posting that. ;D
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Remember when Hilary Clinton said about half of Trump supporters are deplorable?
Well here's one of the said deplorables
https://twitter.com/ConorBlenner/status/1252870171422715907/photo/1
Well, that is the country where Ayn "The Virtue Of Selfishness" Rand is widely admired.
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No huge fan of Cuomo but just compare and contrast how he speaks about CV as opposed to Trump.
https://youtu.be/biorRAQJhH8
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I await, with morbit anticipation, the funeral of the first cretin who actually thought Trump's invitation to inject disinfectant aws in
any way intelligent.
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I await, with morbit anticipation, the funeral of the first cretin who actually thought Trump's invitation to inject disinfectant aws in
any way intelligent.
Currently trending on twitter in the UK are Cilit Bang and Toilet Duck - not joking.
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I await, with morbit anticipation, the funeral of the first cretin who actually thought Trump's invitation to inject disinfectant aws in
any way intelligent.
It could backfire and decimate the Republican party as they are the people most likely to believe in him.
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It could backfire and decimate the Republican party as they are the people most likely to believe in him.
Every cloud.........
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It could backfire and decimate the Republican party as they are the people most likely to believe in him.
When he suggested chloroquine phosphate was effective, only a couple of people died from eating it.
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When he suggested chloroquine phosphate was effective, only a couple of people died from eating it.
Though disinfectant is a bit easier to source
https://www.scotsman.com/health/coronavirus/makers-dettol-warn-public-not-inject-disinfectant-after-trump-suggests-covid-19-cure-2548851
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Though disinfectant is a bit easier to source
https://www.scotsman.com/health/coronavirus/makers-dettol-warn-public-not-inject-disinfectant-after-trump-suggests-covid-19-cure-2548851
The couple who died found their choloquine in fish tank cleaner. It was probably easier to find than disinfectant for a while, although I admit the supermarket today had plenty of disinfectant.
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The couple who died found their choloquine in fish tank cleaner. It was probably easier to find than disinfectant for a while, although I admit the supermarket today had plenty of disinfectant.
The numbers of people who have fish tank cleaner in their house are by a huge number smaller than those who have disinfectant in their house
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The Guardian in good form today:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/24/revealed-leader-group-peddling-bleach-cure-lobbied-trump-coronavirus
The leader of the most prominent group in the US peddling potentially lethal industrial bleach as a “miracle cure” for coronavirus wrote to Donald Trump at the White House this week.
In his letter, Mark Grenon told Trump that chlorine dioxide – a powerful bleach used in industrial processes such as textile manufacturing that can have fatal side-effects when drunk – is “a wonderful detox that can kill 99% of the pathogens in the body”. He added that it “can rid the body of Covid-19”.
A few days after Grenon dispatched his letter, Trump went on national TV at his daily coronavirus briefing at the White House on Thursday and promoted the idea that disinfectant could be used as a treatment for the virus. To the astonishment of medical experts, the US president said that disinfectant “knocks it out in a minute. One minute!”
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The Guardian in good form today:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/24/revealed-leader-group-peddling-bleach-cure-lobbied-trump-coronavirus
I think that could be considered as an incitement to commit suicide and therefore criminal enough for Trump to be arrested. Won't happen though.
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I think that could be considered as an incitement to commit suicide and therefore criminal enough for Trump to be arrested. Won't happen though.
I agree with you, but as you say it won't happen.
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Now this is Pam Ayers
At last, we have a cure for all!
Ailments large and ailments small,
Good health is not beyond my reach, If I inject myself with bleach.
Radiant, I’ll prance along
Every trace of limescale gone,
With disinfectant as my friend,
Like him, I’m clean around the bend
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LOL!
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Seeing as yet unconfirmed reports that there has been a spike in people being treated for ingesting of bleach in US hospitals.
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Seeing as yet unconfirmed reports that there has been a spike in people being treated for ingesting of bleach in US hospitals.
Ye gods, I hope that is fake news! :o
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The numbers of people who have fish tank cleaner in their house are by a huge number smaller than those who have disinfectant in their house
Except there was a shortage of disinfectant in the shops for a while. I doubt if there's ever been a shortage of fishtanks cleaner.
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Ye gods, I hope that is fake news! :o
I don't they'll be Trump supporters, and the more of them who kill themselves before the election, the better!
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I don't they'll be Trump supporters, and the more of them who kill themselves before the election, the better!
very unpleasant post.
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I don't they'll be Trump supporters, and the more of them who kill themselves before the election, the better!
What a horrible thing to say, and you claim to be a Christian! >:(
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Get a sense of humour, the pair of you - obviously I was joking! ::)
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Get a sense of humour, the pair of you - obviously I was joking! ::)
If that is what passes for a sense of humour where you are concerned, it doesn't work, you aren't funny!
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Get a sense of humour, the pair of you - obviously I was joking! ::)
And given there have already been deaths in part due to Trump's maunderings about chloroquinine, it's an unpleasant mean spirited joke.
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If you want funny about Trump's deranged dangerous idiocy, this.
https://youtu.be/DPDPzbLFeP4
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https://www.salon.com/2020/04/26/trump-and-the-coronavirus-have-exposed-america-as-a-declining-empire-lets-face-that-honestly/ (https://www.salon.com/2020/04/26/trump-and-the-coronavirus-have-exposed-america-as-a-declining-empire-lets-face-that-honestly/)
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Get a sense of humour, the pair of you - obviously I was joking! ::)
Or maybe you were being sarcastic?
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https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trumps-mom-call-him-idiot/
Trump's mother is supposed to have called her son an 'idiot' who should never go into politics! If that is true, how right she was!
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https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trumps-mom-call-him-idiot/
Trump's mother is supposed to have called her son an 'idiot' who should never go into politics! If that is true, how right she was!
Your OWN LINK says that it's false, ffs! ::)
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Your OWN LINK says that it's false, ffs! ::)
I posted it because I think it is amusing, true or not.
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Your OWN LINK says that it's false, ffs! ::)
My mother frequently calls me an idiot.
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My mother frequently calls me an idiot.
Not long before my maternal grandmother died she didn't use the word 'idiot' to describe her daughter, but definitely implied it. :o
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Trumpergeist the movie:
https://vimeo.com/410026286
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Good piece on the orange-tinged moron's latest PR escapade.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/06/donald-trump-lincoln-memorial-dishonest-don-monumental-backdrop-highlights-his-monumental-errors
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Good piece on the orange-tinged moron's latest PR escapade.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/06/donald-trump-lincoln-memorial-dishonest-don-monumental-backdrop-highlights-his-monumental-errors
Clicked on the link but can't get the article.
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Good piece on the orange-tinged moron's latest PR escapade.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/06/donald-trump-lincoln-memorial-dishonest-don-monumental-backdrop-highlights-his-monumental-errors
I suppose that lunatic will be wanting an even larger memorial to himself! >:(
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Clicked on the link but can't get the article.
Susan, it may be a popup from the Guardian site that is confusing your software ? It asks you to support the paper etc. Clicking that away takes you to the article.
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Susan, it may be a popup from the Guardian site that is confusing your software ? It asks you to support the paper etc. Clicking that away takes you to the article.
Thank you - I'll try again.
ETA Interesting article - I have now listened to it.
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Joe Biden in trouble over sex case by Tara Reade. She is going for it full throttle by calling for a lie detector test....and asking him to quit the race for President.
So, Trump it is again.....
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Joe Biden in trouble over sex case by Tara Reade. She is going for it full throttle by calling for a lie detector test....and asking him to quit the race for President.
So, Trump it is again.....
I don't know. That would depend on Dem voters caring more about allegations of sexual assault then Rep ones. Given the polarisation in Us politics not sure that is the case. And the biggest impact on the election by far is Vivid 19 and its effects.
As an aside lie detectors are woo.
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Joe Biden in trouble over sex case by Tara Reade. She is going for it full throttle by calling for a lie detector test....and asking him to quit the race for President.
So, Trump it is again.....
I don't think her accusation is credible.
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I don't think her accusation is credible.
Why?
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From everything I've followed, I believe her. I'll still vote for Biden, because the alternative is unthinkable, but I do hope if he ends up in office that he is held accountable. (In part, that's why I'm eager to see who he picks for his VP.)
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Why?
I read this article
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/04/29/joe-biden-sexual-assault-allegation-tara-reade-column/3046962001/
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Also this one
https://medium.com/@macarthur.cliff/the-tara-reade-case-eight-things-the-media-wont-tell-you-27d3ca14978
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Trumpergeist the movie:
https://vimeo.com/410026286
I love the comment just beow the video:
Trumpergeist
Flush the turd, november 3rd
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I love the comment just beow the video:
Trumpergeist
Flush the turd, november 3rd
;D
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If this has already been aired then I apologise. I have been having computer problems for several days.
However:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57jRBt4h6ks
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Another YouTube classic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eR0ckpJ3bk
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I love the comment just beow the video:
Trumpergeist
Flush the turd, november 3rd
;D
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Loon
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/its-beautiful-to-see-nurses-running-into-death-just-like-soldiers-running-into-bullets-trump/15/05/?fbclid=IwAR0CjoHFGf9fqQLdlAaEfu4o9JrwuiiFoLC-mZZJt1AwBJjVWYQ3LOJFGkY
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He's been dying to have a war. The unnerving thing is in how the FOX crowd just eat this up. >:(
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Loon
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/its-beautiful-to-see-nurses-running-into-death-just-like-soldiers-running-into-bullets-trump/15/05/?fbclid=IwAR0CjoHFGf9fqQLdlAaEfu4o9JrwuiiFoLC-mZZJt1AwBJjVWYQ3LOJFGkY
I could not have seen this on a worse day!
My daughter 'phoned me this afternoon to tell me that my sister-in-law, her aunt, a Matron at a local hospital, has tested positve and is now a patient in her own hospital!
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My daughter 'phoned me this afternoon to tell me that my sister-in-law, her aunt, a Matron at a local hospital, has tested positve and is now a patient in her own hospital!
Really sorry to hear that. Sending your family good thoughts (and prayers.)
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Really sorry to hear that. Sending your family good thoughts (and prayers.)
Blessed be and thanks Flower Girl.
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Blessed be and thanks Flower Girl.
I hope she gets better very soon.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52685487
Trump has announced that vaccine or no vaccine the US must get back to normal very soon. You can be sure that sewer rat of a president will ensure he is kept safe even if the rest of his country is in danger! >:(
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52685487
Trump has announced that vaccine or no vaccine the US must get back to normal very soon. You can be sure that sewer rat of a president will ensure he is kept safe even if the rest of his country is in danger! >:(
I wonder if Americans are regretting voting a big cheese quiche as president.
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I wonder if Americans are regretting voting a big cheese quiche as president.
An actual big cheese quiche would make a much better president! ;D
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I hope she gets better very soon.
Thanks Littleroses, Blessed be.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52685487
Trump has announced that vaccine or no vaccine the US must get back to normal very soon. You can be sure that sewer rat of a president will ensure he is kept safe even if the rest of his country is in danger! >:(
He is probably hoping that most Covid 19 deaths are of Democrat voters.
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He is probably hoping that most Covid 19 deaths are of Democrat voters.
More than likely.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52688658
Trump is a despot he fires people who don't see it his way. >:(
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I could not have seen this on a worse day!
My daughter 'phoned me this afternoon to tell me that my sister-in-law, her aunt, a Matron at a local hospital, has tested positve and is now a patient in her own hospital!
The whole situation is terrible, especially when someone you know is affected. Hoping for a speedy recovery.
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I could not have seen this on a worse day!
My daughter 'phoned me this afternoon to tell me that my sister-in-law, her aunt, a Matron at a local hospital, has tested positve and is now a patient in her own hospital!
Just seen this Owl - sorry to hear this. All my hopes fora quick recovery.
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I wonder if Americans are regretting voting a big cheese quiche as president.
Trump has an approval rating of 44.1%
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/?ex_cid=rrpromo
So no. They don't regret it, at least not a sizeable minority of them.
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I wonder if Americans are regretting voting a big cheese quiche as president.
As Jeremyp has posted, Trump has an approval rating of 44.1%. Ugh! He didn't win the popular vote. Hillary did by a couple million, but we have a system where this can happen, and if the big wins are in the "battleground" states (which often can comprise of fewer votes) then the Electoral College chooses the next president. They chose him. Ugh!
There is also a concerted propaganda effort that bathes Trump in glory and praise led mainly by FOX but perpetuated by other conservative media that promote "ideals" such as patriotism, In God We Trust, and an otherwise squeaky clean persona (think Hitler posters with smartly dressed, clean, blonde children.)
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As Jeremyp has posted, Trump has an approval rating of 44.1%. Ugh! He didn't win the popular vote. Hillary did by a couple million, but we have a system where this can happen, and if the big wins are in the "battleground" states (which often can comprise of fewer votes) then the Electoral College chooses the next president. They chose him. Ugh!
There is also a concerted propaganda effort that bathes Trump in glory and praise led mainly by FOX but perpetuated by other conservative media that promote "ideals" such as patriotism, In God We Trust, and an otherwise squeaky clean persona (think Hitler posters with smartly dressed, clean, blonde children.)
I think Hitler and Trump would have got on well! >:(
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Was having a zoom discussion yesterday and the thought was raised as to what might happen if the election takes place and Trump were to win the popular vote but lose the electoral college vote. There was a general unease.
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Just seen this Owl - sorry to hear this. All my hopes fora quick recovery.
Thanks TV - appreciated!
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The whole situation is terrible, especially when someone you know is affected. Hoping for a speedy recovery.
Thanks AO - Appreciated!
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I could not have seen this on a worse day!
My daughter 'phoned me this afternoon to tell me that my sister-in-law, her aunt, a Matron at a local hospital, has tested positve and is now a patient in her own hospital!
My friend who was on a ventilator for 4 weeks may get out of hospital this week. Thoughts are with you.
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My friend who was on a ventilator for 4 weeks may get out of hospital this week. Thoughts are with you.
I truly hope that "may get out" becomes "is getting out" with great rapidity!
I shall ask Brigid for some healing to be sent - as with all the Goddesses you never know what their reaction is going to be - I am just hoping!
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I truly hope that "may get out" becomes "is getting out" with great rapidity!
I shall ask Brigid for some healing to be sent - as with all the Goddesses you never know what their reaction is going to be - I am just hoping!
Appreciate that. The long recovery time will be when she gets home. The treatment of those with Covid 19 has been getting better over time. I hope that will help with your sister in law
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Appreciate that. The long recovery time will be when she gets home. The treatment of those with Covid 19 has been getting better over time. I hope that will help with your sister in law
Thanks Bro!
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I have a sis in law of whom I think the world & her husband and children: I truly hope yours makes a good recovery Owl, thinking of her,, you & family.
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I have a sis in law of whom I think the world & her husband and children: I truly hope yours makes a good recovery Owl, thinking of her,, you & family.
Thanks Robbie!
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52717161
If Trump kills himself good riddance to bad rubbish, but encouraging others to take the drug, which could damage or kill them is proving, if any proof were needed, what a dangerous lunatic that man is. >:(
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52717161
If Trump kills himself good riddance to bad rubbish, but encouraging others to take the drug, which could damage or kill them is proving, if any proof were needed, what a dangerous lunatic that man is. >:(
It is incredible (to me at least) that he manages to do this. By which I mean, he does something and I think well that is PTS (Peak Trump Stupidity), but then I find actually we are just in the foothills and there is a whole mountain range of peaks in front of us.
It is some kind of gift he has.
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It is incredible (to me at least) that he manages to do this. By which I mean, he does something and I think well that is PTS (Peak Trump Stupidity), but then I find actually we are just in the foothills and there is a whole mountain range of peaks in front of us.
It is some kind of gift he has.
I just cannot believe the total gullibility of his followers, who still worship that awful man, and blind to all his dangerous faults. :o
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I just cannot believe the total gullibility of his followers, who still worship that awful man, and blind to all his dangerous faults. :o
You mean you don't like him? I'd never have guessed! I'm shocked - shocked, I tell you!
Seriously - we are all well aware now of your low opinion of Trump (which I and others share), so perhaps you could give it a rest for a bit. You are getting a bit boring on the subject.
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You mean you don't like him? I'd never have guessed! I'm shocked - shocked, I tell you!
Seriously - we are all well aware now of your low opinion of Trump (which I and others share), so perhaps you could give it a rest for a bit. You are getting a bit boring on the subject.
In your dreams! ;D
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You mean you don't like him? I'd never have guessed! I'm shocked - shocked, I tell you!
Seriously - we are all well aware now of your low opinion of Trump (which I and others share), so perhaps you could give it a rest for a bit. You are getting a bit boring on the subject.
As are you on a lot of subjects!
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You mean you don't like him? I'd never have guessed! I'm shocked - shocked, I tell you!
Seriously - we are all well aware now of your low opinion of Trump (which I and others share), so perhaps you could give it a rest for a bit. You are getting a bit boring on the subject.
Seems to me that the latest ramblings from him are very dangerous, and worthy of comment.
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Seems to me that the latest ramblings from him are very dangerous, and worthy of comment.
Thanks NS.
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Seems to me that the latest ramblings from him are very dangerous, and worthy of comment.
Agreed!
I am truly amazed at how few rejections or negative comments about his ramblnigs are coming out of tne States via the news media.
I can only think that they are being censored.
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Agreed!
I am truly amazed at how few rejections or negative comments about his ramblnigs are coming out of tne States via the news media.
I can only think that they are being censored.
I saw a clip on the news earlier and I think they are challenging it. Even Fox news normally rabid in their support of Trump are telling their viewers not to do this (take Chloroquine) as it could kill them if they have certain underlying conditions. Very unusual for Fox.
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I saw a clip on the news earlier and I think they are challenging it. Even Fox news normally rabid in their support of Trump are telling their viewers not to do this (take Chloroquine) as it could kill them if they have certain underlying conditions. Very unusual for Fox.
Almost gives you back your faith in the media, doesn't it?
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I saw a clip on the news earlier and I think they are challenging it. Even Fox news normally rabid in their support of Trump are telling their viewers not to do this (take Chloroquine) as it could kill them if they have certain underlying conditions. Very unusual for Fox.
My guess is that it is self preservation, assuming that their viewers could be the most likely to follow anything Trump does!
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Was having a zoom discussion yesterday and the thought was raised as to what might happen if the election takes place and Trump were to win the popular vote but lose the electoral college vote. There was a general unease.
It would mean that he is no longer president.
I think there's going to be some unrest whatever happens. Trump will claim the election was stolen whatever the result (unless he wins, of course) and there will be protests, but I think we'l find his supporters are less fierce than they make out once they are faced with LEOs with guns.
What concerns me more is, between losing the election and leaving office, there are about two months in which Trump can do massive damage. Even just refusing to cooperate with his replacement's administration would be hugely damaging.
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I saw a clip on the news earlier and I think they are challenging it. Even Fox news normally rabid in their support of Trump are telling their viewers not to do this (take Chloroquine) as it could kill them if they have certain underlying conditions. Very unusual for Fox.
I guess it depends on the demographic of their viewers. Maybe they're worried about falling viewer figures.
Sorry, that's very cynical of me. I watched a clip of the Fox news presenter commenting on the hydroxychloroquine ramble as it was happening and he seemed pretty distressed at what Trump was saying.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52717161
If Trump kills himself good riddance to bad rubbish, but encouraging others to take the drug, which could damage or kill them is proving, if any proof were needed, what a dangerous lunatic that man is. >:(
He won't kill himself because he's not taking hydroxychloroquine. Either he is lying or his doctor is supplying him with Tic-tacs. We'll know which if he starts commenting on hydroxychloroquine's minty freshness.
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He won't kill himself because he's not taking hydroxychloroquine. Either he is lying or his doctor is supplying him with Tic-tacs. We'll know which if he starts commenting on hydroxychloroquine's minty freshness.
You could be right, I was beginning to wonder that myself, as he is not one to put his life in danger. I have heard that he gets one of his guards to taste his food before he eats it.
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It would mean that he is no longer president.
I think there's going to be some unrest whatever happens. Trump will claim the election was stolen whatever the result (unless he wins, of course) and there will be protests, but I think we'l find his supporters are less fierce than they make out once they are faced with LEOs with guns.
What concerns me more is, between losing the election and leaving office, there are about two months in which Trump can do massive damage. Even just refusing to cooperate with his replacement's administration would be hugely damaging.
I hope you are right about the first part, but my worry is that the election if held at the normal time will be in the midst of another raft of redundancies as large firms committed to keeping staff on till September will be in the midst of the job shedding. The combination of factors, along with Trump could lead to a bigger confrontation than under other circumstances.
As to your second point, yes, a Trump in that circumstances seems unlikely to be restrained.
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He won't kill himself because he's not taking hydroxychloroquine. Either he is lying or his doctor is supplying him with Tic-tacs. We'll know which if he starts commenting on hydroxychloroquine's minty freshness.
This is my thinking. He's likely hoping a lot of Americans will try it out, though. A great human experiment that wouldn't cost the government a thing.
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Not sure if all will be able to read this, but it's an interesting OpEd written by David Markowitz for Forbes where he tallied all of Trump's lies by categories. The rivaling highest are between COVID19 and Ukraine scandal.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidmarkowitz/2020/05/05/trump-is-lying-more-than-ever-just-look-at-the-data/?fbclid=IwAR3UxeDq3QpKDB_dKWyeWGl2DfAuhNidcfB1WaQfxy4-tbBt7EciTFiCSx0#629273941e17 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidmarkowitz/2020/05/05/trump-is-lying-more-than-ever-just-look-at-the-data/?fbclid=IwAR3UxeDq3QpKDB_dKWyeWGl2DfAuhNidcfB1WaQfxy4-tbBt7EciTFiCSx0#629273941e17)
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Ukraine scandal must have passed me by, maybe I need a refresher course.
Nothing about Trump surprises me now & am beginning not to care any more.
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Ukraine scandal must have passed me by, maybe I need a refresher course.
Nothing about Trump surprises me now & am beginning not to care any more.
Ukraine is was what he was impeached for ... trying to force a foreign power to act against a US political opponent using illegal methods and lying about it.
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Another slice of lunacy from the orange-tinged arse: wonder if Twitter will eventually have the guts to suspend his account.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52748844
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I doubt Twitter will ban that lunatic, they would probably be too scared of the consequences if they did.
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And another step from Twitter
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52846679
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Trump gets madder and badder by the day. >:(
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Trump gets madder and badder by the day. >:(
Not to mention dangerouser to know.
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He needs incarcerating in a secure psychiatric unit before he starts nuking anyone who disagrees with him.
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The executive order covering social media
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-preventing-online-censorship/?fbclid=IwAR1XWxBwGmkBv__jli112I9OYXpMr9D6amdvT6hC3fTqf4LCKKoiuI-FLgY
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The executive order covering social media
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-preventing-online-censorship/?fbclid=IwAR1XWxBwGmkBv__jli112I9OYXpMr9D6amdvT6hC3fTqf4LCKKoiuI-FLgY
Trump is all for free speech unless it is critical of him. ::)
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Trump is all for free speech unless it is critical of him. ::)
Free speech is deemed in many quarters across the political spectrum to be your freedom to agree with me.
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Free speech is deemed in many quarters across the political spectrum to be your freedom to agree with me.
That would appear to be the case.
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A very interesting article on The diagnosis of Donald Trump’s psychopathy.
https://medium.com/@vgwcct/a-duty-to-differentially-diagnose-the-validity-underpinning-the-diagnosis-of-the-president-371354142a02
It’s quite long, so if you want to get straight to the Trump part, skip to section 13.
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A peaceful protest has been tear gassed so that Trump could do a photo-op outside a church.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-52876499
at 7.46.
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A peaceful protest has been tear gassed so that Trump could do a photo-op outside a church.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-52876499
at 7.46.
Is that excuse for a human real? >:(
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A peaceful protest has been tear gassed so that Trump could do a photo-op outside a church. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-52876499 at 7.46.
Glad to see the Episcopal bishop is rightly outraged over this tawdry political gesture.
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It beats me how any decent Christian can support Trump, who has no interest in anything but what suits him best.
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Glad to see the Episcopal bishop is rightly outraged over this tawdry political gesture.
Indeed it's a powerful excoriation but I fear one that will simply be seen by many Trump supporters as coming from the 'liberal elite swamp'. I mean after all it's from a woman bishop of the Piskies - to many voting for Trump, a denomination that is effectively satanic.
https://www.inquirer.com/news/nation-world/trump-church-visit-episcopal-diocese-washington-st-johns-criticized-20200602.html
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Indeed it's a powerful excoriation but I fear one that will simply be seen by many Trump supporters as coming from the 'liberal elite swamp'. I mean after all it's from a woman bishop of the Piskies - to many voting for Trump, a denomination that is effectively satanic.
https://www.inquirer.com/news/nation-world/trump-church-visit-episcopal-diocese-washington-st-johns-criticized-20200602.html
I've said many times that this shower demean evangelicalism by their existance.
The Trumpistas make up less than a third of American evangelicals...not only do they lump 'piskies in the infernal toaster club, but they condemn Tony Compolo and 'red letter' Christians for being card carrying Communists, where, in actual fact, their poilitical stance is slightly left of centre...about a 'right wing Blairite' in our reckoning.
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It beats me how any decent Christian can support Trump, who has no interest in anything but what suits him best.
The common denominator between Trump Evangelicals/Christians is the desire to control the world around them. Those who are driven by this desire love Trump, because they think he's going to finally be the president who will ensure they get what they want.
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From the priest, Gina Gerbasi, at Saint Johns :
Around 6:15 or 6:30, the police started really pushing protestors off of H Street (the street between the church and Lafayette Park, and ultimately, the White House. They started using tear gas and folks were running at us for eyewashes or water or wet paper towels. At this point, Julia, one of our seminarians for next year (who is a trauma nurse) and I looked at each other in disbelief. I was coughing, her eyes were watering, and we were trying to help people as the police – in full riot gear – drove people toward us. Julia and her classmates left and I stayed with the BLM folks trying to help people. Suddenly, around 6:30, there was more tear gas, more concussion grenades, and I think I saw someone hit by a rubber bullet – he was grasping his stomach and there was a mark on his shirt. The police in their riot gear were literally walking onto the St. John’s, Lafayette Square patio with these metal shields, pushing people off the patio and driving them back. People were running at us as the police advanced toward us from the other side of the patio. We had to try to pick up what we could. The BLM medic folks were obviously well practiced. They picked up boxes and ran. I was so stunned I only got a few water bottles and my spray bottle of eyewash. We were literally DRIVEN OFF of the St. John’s, Lafayette Square patio with tear gas and concussion grenades and police in full riot gear. We were pushed back 20 feet, and then eventually – with SO MANY concussion grenades – back to K street. By the time I got back to my car, around 7, I was getting texts from people saying that Trump was outside of St. John’s, Lafayette Square. I literally COULD NOT believe it. WE WERE DRIVEN OFF OF THE PATIO AT ST. JOHN’S – a place of peace and respite and medical care throughout the day – SO THAT MAN COULD HAVE A PHOTO OPPORTUNITY IN FRONT OF THE CHURCH!!! PEOPLE WERE HURT SO THAT HE COULD POSE IN FRONT OF THE CHURCH WITH A BIBLE! HE WOULD HAVE HAD TO STEP OVER THE MEDICAL SUPPLIES WE LEFT BEHIND BECAUSE WE WERE BEING TEAR GASSED!!!!
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Perhaps Trump is showing the Chinese leader how to handle Hong Kong, and Mr Putin, how to run a democracy.
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Tucson: Robert Hendrickson, Rector, Saint Philip’s in the Hills Episcopal Church Goes Off on Trump
“This is an awful man, waving a book he hasn’t read, in front of a church he doesn’t attend, invoking laws he doesn’t understand, against fellow Americans he sees as enemies, wielding a military he dodged serving, to protect power he gained via accepting foreign interference, exploiting fear and anger he loves to stoke, after failing to address a pandemic he was warned about, and building it all on a bed of constant lies and childish inanity."
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Tucson: Robert Hendrickson, Rector, Saint Philip’s in the Hills Episcopal Church Goes Off on Trump
“This is an awful man, waving a book he hasn’t read, in front of a church he doesn’t attend, invoking laws he doesn’t understand, against fellow Americans he sees as enemies, wielding a military he dodged serving, to protect power he gained via accepting foreign interference, exploiting fear and anger he loves to stoke, after failing to address a pandemic he was warned about, and building it all on a bed of constant lies and childish inanity."
How on Earth can anyone speak so favourably about Donald trump?
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Tucson: Robert Hendrickson, Rector, Saint Philip’s in the Hills Episcopal Church Goes Off on Trump
“This is an awful man, waving a book he hasn’t read, in front of a church he doesn’t attend, invoking laws he doesn’t understand, against fellow Americans he sees as enemies, wielding a military he dodged serving, to protect power he gained via accepting foreign interference, exploiting fear and anger he loves to stoke, after failing to address a pandemic he was warned about, and building it all on a bed of constant lies and childish inanity."
I agree with every word he said, but it was too polite.
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I agree with every word he said, but it was too polite.
Ain't that the truth!
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The American constitution should be amended so it is easier to remove a president from office. If Trump carries on the way he is doing, I suspect someone will take it into their own hands to remove him permanently using a gun. If that happens I think there would be more cheers than tears.
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Perhaps Trump is showing the Chinese leader how to handle Hong Kong, and Mr Putin, how to run a democracy.
The cynic in me thinks it is Putin who has shown Trump how to run a democracy.
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The American constitution should be amended so it is easier to remove a president from office.
What changes would you make?
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Adendum
The American constitution should be amended so it is easier to remove a president from office.
The US constitution is built on the premise of three branches of government (the executive, the legislature and the judiciary) that provide checks and balances. Thus, at the moment, it falls on congress (the legislature) to remove a wayward president. Unfortunately, it assumes that two out of three of the branches will act in the best interests of the country. This is not the case at the moment. The executive is controlled by a psychopath. The upper house of congress is controlled by a partizan hack and between them they have conspired to stuff the judiciary with more partizan hacks.
If it were any easier to remove a president from office, the USA might get into a position where a partizan congress could remove a president of the opposite stripe at will.
If Trump carries on the way he is doing, I suspect someone will take it into their own hands to remove him permanently using a gun. If that happens I think there would be more cheers than tears.
The US secret service is very experienced at stopping that sort of thing from happening.
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Er......did the Mexicans pay for it?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-white-house-wall-fence-security-george-floyd-protests-police-racism-a9550591.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3Y5KIgajM1j24KWfZVWZWeBwlc9-4jiBUyT_gxbDgBG4qW8w9TyZm52-Y#Echobox=1591354592
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Er......did the Mexicans pay for it?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-white-house-wall-fence-security-george-floyd-protests-police-racism-a9550591.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3Y5KIgajM1j24KWfZVWZWeBwlc9-4jiBUyT_gxbDgBG4qW8w9TyZm52-Y#Echobox=1591354592
Trump is obviously running scared, one hopes he doesn't do anything even more stupid than heretofore. :o
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In-Fecking-Credible
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-great-day-for-george-floyd-who-hopefully-is-looking-down/vi-BB155qXl
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UNBELIEVABLE!!!! Although come to think of it, anything is believable where that lunatic is concerned. :o
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https://youtu.be/z56j06plUgs
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Now here's something I never thought I would do.
I am posting a quote from a TV programme I have never watched, namely "Game of Thrones":
He would see this country burn if he could be King of the ashes.
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Now here's something I never thought I would do.
I am posting a quote from a TV programme I have never watched, namely "Game of Thrones":
He would see this country burn if he could be King of the ashes.
I know that I am showing my ignorance here, but, (tongue firmly in cheek) who the Hell are you talking about?
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I know that I am showing my ignorance here, but, (tongue firmly in cheek) who the Hell are you talking about?
I thought he was talking about Trump.
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I thought he was talking about Trump.
Quote from: Owlswing on Today at 13:10:07
I know that I am showing my ignorance here, but, (tongue firmly in cheek) who the Hell are you talking about?
I refer you to the bit in brackets or were you also speaking tongue in cheek?
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Many of us thought Bush was pretty hopeless, but compared with Trump he was a brilliant president.
So even Bush was 'pretty hopeless' and now you say Trump makes him look brilliant.
What is it that you look for the worse in everyone. Do you think in the great scheme of things that they were put in power by men and women who really have a say in the worlds future?
How does that reflect on the opinions of you and I?
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So even Bush was 'pretty hopeless' and now you say Trump makes him look brilliant.
What is it that you look for the worse in everyone. Do you think in the great scheme of things that they were put in power by men and women who really have a say in the worlds future?
How does that reflect on the opinions of you and I?
Trump would make a monkey as president look brilliant, that man is sick in the head.
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Tweet from US President
'Buffalo protester shoved by Police could be an ANTIFA provocateur. 75 year old Martin Gugino was pushed away after appearing to scan police communications in order to black out the equipment.
@OANN
I watched, he fell harder than was pushed. Was aiming scanner. Could be a set up?'
About this
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jun/9/trump-speculates-injured-buffalo-protester-75-was-/
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Words fail me. >:(
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Trump is beyond parody really.
Though, I did appreciate the Times cartoon yesterday, with Trump and a posse of police having pushed over Uncle Sam, left bleeding on the ground.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53002805
US President Donald Trump says he will "not even consider" renaming military bases named for Confederate generals.
He tweeted that the facilities were part of "a Great American heritage".
Mr Trump's remarks follow reports that top military officials were open to changes amid nationwide soul-searching after the death of George Floyd.
For many, symbols of the Confederacy - the slaveholding southern states that seceded, prompting the 1861-65 American Civil War - evoke a racist past.
I suspect Trump would have owned slaves himself in those days, and is possibly a secret member of the KKK. >:(
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Of course
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53004628
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I understand Trump has tweeted with a suggestion that a hurricane should be nuked.
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I understand Trump has tweeted with a suggestion that a hurricane should be nuked.
Not quite. And it was last year that he may have suggested it
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-nuke-hurricanes/
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Of course
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53004628
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! >:(
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Not bad, he has got over 105,000 free publicity views on this site. What's the name of his opponent?
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Not quite. And it was last year that he may have suggested it
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-nuke-hurricanes/
Thank you for the link. Maybe even Trump has a glimmer of realisation that nuking anything just might have a few unpleasant consequences!
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Thank you for the link. Maybe even Trump has a glimmer of realisation that nuking anything just might have a few unpleasant consequences!
I would like to believe that to be true, but Trump being Trump he might still have it in mind! ::)
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53002805
US President Donald Trump says he will "not even consider" renaming military bases named for Confederate generals.
He tweeted that the facilities were part of "a Great American heritage".
Mr Trump's remarks follow reports that top military officials were open to changes amid nationwide soul-searching after the death of George Floyd.
For many, symbols of the Confederacy - the slaveholding southern states that seceded, prompting the 1861-65 American Civil War - evoke a racist past.
I suspect Trump would have owned slaves himself in those days, and is possibly a secret member of the KKK. >:(
Trump would have owned slaves as many rich people in the USA did (like George Washington). He would not have been a member of the KKK unless he could see that there was something in it for him.
Trump is not a racist. Well, he is a racist, but that's more an emergent property than something he believes. For Trump there are two kinds of people: those that are in the way and those that can be exploited. Trump wants people to vote for him. He's observed that many people on the right of the political spectrum would vote for him if he does racist things, so he does. He has as much contempt for his voters as he does for black people, Asians and in fact the whole of humanity. It's just that he knows, if he shows it, he might lose some votes.
Trump is a clinical psychopath (https://medium.com/@vgwcct/a-duty-to-differentially-diagnose-the-validity-underpinning-the-diagnosis-of-the-president-371354142a02).
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Trump would have owned slaves as many rich people in the USA did (like George Washington). He would not have been a member of the KKK unless he could see that there was something in it for him.
Trump is not a racist. Well, he is a racist, but that's more an emergent property than something he believes. For Trump there are two kinds of people: those that are in the way and those that can be exploited. Trump wants people to vote for him. He's observed that many people on the right of the political spectrum would vote for him if he does racist things, so he does. He has as much contempt for his voters as he does for black people, Asians and in fact the whole of humanity. It's just that he knows, if he shows it, he might lose some votes.
Trump is a clinical psychopath (https://medium.com/@vgwcct/a-duty-to-differentially-diagnose-the-validity-underpinning-the-diagnosis-of-the-president-371354142a02).
Trump does what suits him and his pocket best, but I do think racism is what comes naturally to him.
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Hmm - As a friend said 'The incomprehensible in pursuit of the infallible'
https://www.thetablet.co.uk/blogs/1/1485/trump-s-attack-on-the-papacy-is-likely-to-backfire?fbclid=IwAR3mSFONJBAMhiOGqZAHpCVOXjx-KQa-1W6pWI1rMUedKsfJO1F9cCPTM_o
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53026389
Trump says choke holds should generally be banned, but if a police officer is in danger they can use them! Maybe they should use one on him, he is not only a danger to his country but the world! >:(
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It seems as if there is at least someone in Trumo's campaign ready to do a bit of damage limitation
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53032664
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53058811
Trump's niece, Mary, is about to publish a tell all book about her uncle, which will not do him any favours at all, it should make very interesting reading.
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I'll read it when charity shops open again :D. I can't stand Trump but feel uncomfortable about relatives writing 'tell all' type books about their relatives, a practice which appears to be fashionable.
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I'll read it when charity shops open again :D. I can't stand Trump but feel uncomfortable about relatives writing 'tell all' type books about their relatives, a practice which appears to be fashionable.
I have no problem with that at all, especially where that excuse for human, Trump, is concerned, especially if it encourages people not to vote for him.
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These are apparently the 10 biggest claims in John Bolton's book. Maybe it's just the sheer weight of stuff from Trump but most of these don't feel that big.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53089609
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I think they are pretty big, it just goes to show how very unfit Trump is to be president. >:(
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I think they are pretty big, it just goes to show how very unfit Trump is to be president. >:(
The thing is this is the stuff from someone 'in the room' and meant to be about settling scores but it basically looks like the stuff we see every day from Trump. None of it is a anything like a killer blow
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More details of the book here
https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-trumps-washington/john-boltons-epic-score-settling?utm_medium=social&mbid=social_facebook&utm_source=facebook&utm_brand=tny&utm_social-type=owned&fbclid=IwAR0OyG536mjVdkS_uLAkc-XgnQ7QOpZPEUROPkWKxnjM4IZkCtOnK8YWyu8
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The thing is this is the stuff from someone 'in the room' and meant to be about settling scores but it basically looks like the stuff we see every day from Trump. None of it is a anything like a killer blow
I find it incredible that Trump didn't realise that Britain is a nuclear power. Anyone with half a working brain cell, reading Bolton's book, should realise what a disaster Trump is. :o
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I find it incredible that Trump didn't realise that Britain is a nuclear power. Anyone with half a working brain cell, reading Bolton's book, should realise what a disaster Trump is. :o
But not realising things like that happens everyday with him. And if you haven't read the book, then stating there is a necessary conclusion from it just makes you look close minded.
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The thing is this is the stuff from someone 'in the room' and meant to be about settling scores but it basically looks like the stuff we see every day from Trump. None of it is a anything like a killer blow
It just shows how low the USA has sunk these days. Numbers one and three, at least, would have destroyed a previous president. Something similar to one did get Trump impeached.
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It just shows how low the USA has sunk these days. Numbers one and three, at least, would have destroyed a previous president. Something similar to one did get Trump impeached.
It makes a 'kiss and tell' so much harder to have an effect. Those who support him will just see it as either more fake news or just Trump being Trump
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It is very concerning that someone with Trump's track record has been permitted to continue as president. :o
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It is very concerning that someone with Trump's track record has been permitted to continue as president. :o
Permitted by whom?
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Permitted by whom?
His party. The Republicans managed to overturn the attempts to impeach Trump. They must be blind if they can't see what a dangerous lunatic Trump is, and how their country is being viewed by most other countries.
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His party. The Republicans managed to overturn the attempts to impeach Trump. They must be blind if they can't see what a dangerous lunatic Trump is, and how their country is being viewed by most other countries.
And hand it over to the communist democrats who conspire with Ukraine?
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It seems as if there is at least someone in Trumo's campaign ready to do a bit of damage limitation
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53032664
Bloody marvellous! He changes the date from a celebration of the end of slavery and to hold the bloody thing on my birthday instead!
BASTARD!
Hang on tho'! That gives me a second reason to get pissed out of my friggin' brains! I'm not thanking the bastard tho'!
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I think they are pretty big, it just goes to show how very unfit Trump is to be president. >:(
IF they are true?
Care to try proving it?
I doubt very much whether anyone can!
Owlswing
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IF they are true?
Care to try proving it?
I doubt very much whether anyone can!
Owlswing
Trump has proved his stupidity over and over again since he has been president, therefore I think it more likely they are true than not.
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Read this elsewhere. It was posted on Twitter by Corey Reynolds an American actor. It provides a thought that was only ill defined in my mind, but his clarity now makes perfect sense to me:
"Trumplethinskin wanted to WIN the Presidency. He couldn't care less about being President & governing responsibly. Here's the truth: Assholini's supporters don't measure his "success" by what he does FOR them, they measure by what he does AGAINST the people they don't like. That's why trumpanzees see Agent Orange as "successful." This is why they will NEVER abandon him. His tormenting of others SUSTAINS them."
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Read this elsewhere. It was posted on Twitter by Corey Reynolds an American actor. It provides a thought that was only ill defined in my mind, but his clarity now makes perfect sense to me:
"Trumplethinskin wanted to WIN the Presidency. He couldn't care less about being President & governing responsibly. Here's the truth: Assholini's supporters don't measure his "success" by what he does FOR them, they measure by what he does AGAINST the people they don't like. That's why trumpanzees see Agent Orange as "successful." This is why they will NEVER abandon him. His tormenting of others SUSTAINS them."
I think there’s a lot of truth to that. It’s more important to stick one on the commie libruls than to have a job or healthcare.
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Corey Reynolds is spot on.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53118721
A judge in the US has rejected Trump's plea for Bolton's book not to be published. I am sure it will be a best seller it has had so much publicity. ;D
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I wonder how interesting it will be.
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Permitted by whom?
The US Senate. They are a huge brick wall right now. They are the reason Trump is still in office after the House of Representatives impeached him.
He's holding his first post-COVID19 rally in Tulsa, Oklahoma later today. He is so reckless, and so are his followers. I feel sorry for the good people of Tulsa, especially the POCs.
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The US Senate. They are a huge brick wall right now. They are the reason Trump is still in office after the House of Representatives impeached him.
He's holding his first post-COVID19 rally in Tulsa, Oklahoma later today. He is so reckless, and so are his followers. I feel sorry for the good people of Tulsa, especially the POCs.
I don't think the Senate are permitting him to be President though. Rather they aren't getting rid of him and while that may seem Jesuitical, it's an important difference. The idea that simply because the House of Representatives has passed an impeachment means that the Senate not doung so is somehow a permission would be a reversal of the burden of proof, and would challenge the checks and balances in the US constitution.
There is obviously a problem with the party politicization of auch issues but that also then applies to the House of Representatives.
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I don't think the Senate are permitting him to be President though. Rather they aren't getting rid of him and while that may seem Jesuitical, it's an important difference. The idea that simply because the House of Representatives has passed an impeachment means that the Senate not doung so is somehow a permission would be a reversal of the burden of proof, and would challenge the checks and balances in the US constitution.
There is obviously a problem with the party politicization of auch issues but that also then applies to the House of Representatives.
There are only three ways to remove Trump: The first is for the Senate to follow through on the House's articles of Impeachment and have him removed from office. They refused to even hold a trial after the House's impeachment, which is unprecedented. Second is for either the Senate or the Vice President to invoke Article 25 of the Constitution. But, there again, regardless of how egregious or dangerous Trump's behavior, no one in the GOP will act. The third, of course, is to vote him out, which doesn't happen until November. My concern is over what damage he will do between the election and the inauguration if he loses. I'm praying that some of those around him, who obviously see Trump the way Bolton does, might then have him removed.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53121488
Trump is such a lunatic he said that it is the fault of testing for the virus, which has produced so many cases, then claimed he was joking. >:(
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The third, of course, is to vote him out, which doesn't happen until November.
But the problem is, Flower Girl, that he was never voted in in the first place. It was your country's Electoral College, with its distorting affection for small, rural states, which overturned a significant advantage for Hillary Clinton in the popular vote.
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But the problem is, Flower Girl, that he was never voted in in the first place. It was your country's Electoral College, with its distorting affection for small, rural states, which overturned a significant advantage for Hillary Clinton in the popular vote.
He was vote in under the rules that have always applied to presidential elections. He can be voted out again under those same rules and will be if the current opinion polls hold up until November and the Republican party fails to steal the election.
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I don't think the Senate are permitting him to be President though. Rather they aren't getting rid of him and while that may seem Jesuitical, it's an important difference. The idea that simply because the House of Representatives has passed an impeachment means that the Senate not doung so is somehow a permission would be a reversal of the burden of proof, and would challenge the checks and balances in the US constitution.
There is obviously a problem with the party politicization of auch issues but that also then applies to the House of Representatives.
The impeachment hearings showed him to be absolutely 100% certainly guilty of the "high crimes and misdemeanours" of which he was accused. He should have been thrown out but the GOP rigged the "trial". Damned right he is being permitted to be president by the GOP.
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The impeachment hearings showed him to be absolutely 100% certainly guilty of the "high crimes and misdemeanours" of which he was accused. He should have been thrown out but the GOP rigged the "trial". Damned right he is being permitted to be president by the GOP.
it's not a 'trial' in that sense hence your own use of ' '. Your use of 'absolutely 100% certainly guilty of the "high crimes and misdemeanours"' is not a legal statement but just your opinion with lots of strong words. Permitted doesn't make sense legally here either.
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Trump's/Barr's firing of the DA of Southern NY is alarming and reeks of unethical intent. So many of us had put all our eggs of hope in that one basket. I'm just hoping there's something the House and/or the judicial system can find to thwart the plan to put an inexperienced crony in his place with access to all the evidence that has been collected against Trump et al.
This is so devastating. That and also Trump's newly appointed CEO of US Global Media who has now fired all the heads. These belong to the public (tax funded.) Apparently, Steve Bannon is the one who recommenced this man to be CEO. God help us.
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Just found the transcript of Trump’s Tulsa speech. Viewed as a piece of stream of consciousness literature, it’s quite good. I don’t recommend reading it all.
https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-tulsa-oklahoma-rally-speech-transcript
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it's not a 'trial' in that sense hence your own use of ' '. Your use of 'absolutely 100% certainly guilty of the "high crimes and misdemeanours"' is not a legal statement but just your opinion with lots of strong words. Permitted doesn't make sense legally here either.
The US constitution says “the senate shall have sole power to try all impeachments”.
So it is a trial although not a standard criminal trial.
I didn’t realise I had to use legal language to make the point that Trump is clearly guilty of the things he was accused of in the impeachment. He was guilty. The senate let him off. That equates to them permitting him to continue.
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The US constitution says “the senate shall have sole power to try all impeachments”.
So it is a trial although not a standard criminal trial.
I didn’t realise I had to use legal language to make the point that Trump is clearly guilty of the things he was accused of in the impeachment. He was guilty. The senate let him off. That equates to them permitting him to continue.
You don't think you are using legal language when you are using the term guilty?
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You don't think you are using legal language when you are using the term guilty?
"Guilty" is a word of the English language. It means, in this context, "did the high crimes and misdemeanours of which he was accused".
Trump should have been fired. He wasn't because the Republicans in the Senate permitted him to stay in his job.
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https://dorseteye.com/a-good-news-story/
I don't know whether this story is fact or factoid, but it certainly has the feel-good factor.
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https://dorseteye.com/a-good-news-story/
I don't know whether this story is fact or factoid, but it certainly has the feel-good factor.
Well the K-Pop. Tik Tok thing certainly seems to be correct. And Farage was there
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https://dorseteye.com/a-good-news-story/
I don't know whether this story is fact or factoid, but it certainly has the feel-good factor.
;D
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https://dorseteye.com/a-good-news-story/
I don't know whether this story is fact or factoid, but it certainly has the feel-good factor.
It's fact. There are many sources on the Internet talking about it e.g. (
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/06/trump-holds-controversial-indoor-rally-in-tulsa-updates.html
(near the bottom, obviously)
You'll note that he was exempted from the travel ban because attending the rally was in the US national interest (allegedly).
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53293542
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53293542
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Is that a sigh of relief, anger or excitement?
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Is that a sigh of relief, anger or excitement?
While I don't have much sympathy with the message, this was a well done speech and will have gone down well with the voters he needs to win back.
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Well done, REALLY?
Trump claims that 99% of the covid-19 virus is totally harmless, tell that to its poorly victims.
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Well done, REALLY?
Trump claims that 99% of the covid-19 virus is totally harmless, tell that to its poorly victims.
Again as I said it's not the message. It's about creating an enemy to make people feel scared of. Those voters he has to win back will be looking at the pulling down of statues like Columbus and have seen something they will fear
Add to that Trump having spoken at Mt Rushmore on the 4th of July, and again coming across relatively compos, at least in not talking nonsense, and he's doing a good job from his side's viewpoint in making it about American values again.
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Many of its so called 'values' have been very damaging like the evil slave trade.
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Many of its so called 'values' have been very damaging like the evil slave trade.
Once again, this isn't about making you or me agree with him. It's about getting enough people to vote for him to win. If he can portray Biden as an enemy of what the people in the middle of the electorate value, and the last two speeches have done that quite well, then he has a chance of winning.
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Once again, this isn't about making you or me agree with him. It's about getting enough people to vote for him to win. If he can portray Biden as an enemy of what the people in the middle of the electorate value, and the last two speeches have done that quite well, then he has a chance of winning.
One would have to be gullible in the extreme to believe anything that comes out of that ghastly man's mouth, but sadly that seems to be the case where many across the pond are concerned.
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One would have to be gullible in the extreme to believe anything that comes out of that ghastly man's mouth, but sadly that seems to be the case where many across the pond are concerned.
So you would have be gullible in the extreme to believe that it's a bad thing to destroy statues of George Washington as part of a mob?
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So you would have be gullible in the extreme to believe that it's a bad thing to destroy statues of George Washington as part of a mob?
Mob rule is not a good thing and I don't approve of it, but Trump is even worse.
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Mob rule is not a good thing and I don't approve of it, but Trump is even worse.
But you would agree with what he said about that which means you are disagreeing with your blanket statement.
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A new book out:
The Art of the Deal: Melania Trump by Mary Jordan
She writes that Melania is quite a force behind Trump and is seen with him at meetings with such people as Putin whereas most presidents would have a member of staff with them.
Could be of interest for some.
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This is the sort of reaction that gives Trump vote points
https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/505913-duckworth-on-trumps-mt-rushmore-speech-on-protecting-confederate?amp#click=https://t.co/8TcWSwXk74
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What is the betting that, if Trump gets his second term, he tries to do a Putin and get himself, at the very least, a third?
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What is the betting that, if Trump gets his second term, he tries to do a Putin and get himself, at the very least, a third?
According to this latest article, it was never really Putin. Our very own, home-grown GOP and rigged courts were our weakest link. Putin saw this, and took advantage of it. Yes, there was Russian interference to influence Trump's election, but it only worked because Putin knew Americans were ripe for the taking. Ugh!! We have always been our worst enemy. :'(
https://www.newsweek.com/how-trump-could-lose-election-still-remain-president-opinion-1513975 (https://www.newsweek.com/how-trump-could-lose-election-still-remain-president-opinion-1513975)
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What is the betting that, if Trump gets his second term, he tries to do a Putin and get himself, at the very least, a third?
Trump will only survive until he weakens America enough for someone like Putin to take over. But, Trump? As Trump? His days are clearly numbered. I am hoping that an American candidate for President would be his defeat. But, I just don't see it right now. (I so hope those in my family who say I'm being an alarmist will be right. I would so love to be wrong.)
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53353953
Trump has been ordered by the US Supreme Court to had over the details of his tax affairs to the NY prosecutors, something he has previously refused to do. If he had nothing to hide he would have already done so.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53353953
Trump has been ordered by the US Supreme Court to had over the details of his tax affairs to the NY prosecutors, something he has previously refused to do. If he had nothing to hide he would have already done so.
I think that has been a given since before day one of his presidential campaign 2016
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Both Trump's appointees Gorsuch and Kavanaugh voted for him having to reveal tax details.
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Both Trump's appointees Gorsuch and Kavanaugh voted for him having to reveal tax details.
It appears that some appointees are finally growing a set!
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It appears that some appointees are finally growing a set!
It's complicated on the same day as this, they also went 7-2 on this
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/09/opinion/letters/supreme-court-contraception.html
And yet on the same day this - 5/4 with Gorsuch being the swing vote.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/american-indian-lands-include-eastern-oklahoma-supreme-court-rules-11594304003
The issues with the Supremes is not whether they show testicular bravado but that they are political appointees. It's worth bearing in mind that the Notorious RBG (Justice Ginsberg) was a close supportive friend of Justice Scalia, despite their legal disagreements.
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It's complicated on the same day as this, they also went 7-2 on this
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/09/opinion/letters/supreme-court-contraception.html
And yet on the same day this - 5/4 with Gorsuch being the swing vote.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/american-indian-lands-include-eastern-oklahoma-supreme-court-rules-11594304003
The issues with the Supremes is not whether they show testicular bravado but that they are political appointees. It's worth bearing in mind that the Notorious RBG (Justice Ginsberg) was a close supportive friend of Justice Scalia, despite their legal disagreements.
Thank you for the above but I cannot read the articles as I don't have access and your comment above goes way over my head as the details od American politics and law go the same way.
Pathetic I know, but that is me these days I am afraid - age and its host of negatives are no longer happy with creeping up on me - they are inexorably accelerating. And I was never that bright on politics when I worked full-on.
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Thank you for the above but I cannot read the articles as I don't have access and your comment above goes way over my head as the details od American politics and law go the same way.
Pathetic I know, but that is me these days I am afraid - age and its host of negatives are no longer happy with creeping up on me - they are inexorably accelerating. And I was never that bright on politics when I worked full-on.
Not sure why you don't have access. Apologies that they aren't easily accessible - not sure what the issue you are having.
The big thing is that Gorsuch seems a much less 'politically' on one side that might have been suspected. The Supremes aren't generally about lacking in belief, or willingness or courage to stand up for it, rather they have a particular view of the law, and that is why the different Presidents push them.
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Not sure why you don't have access. Apologies that they aren't easily accessible - not sure what the issue you are having.
The big thing is that Gorsuch seems a much less 'politically' on one side that might have been suspected. The Supremes aren't generally about lacking in belief, or willingness or courage to stand up for it, rather they have a particular view of the law, and that is why the different Presidents push them.
It seemed to say that I have used up my free allowance and need a subscription - give it untril the morning anf I will try again!
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Not sure why you don't have access. Apologies that they aren't easily accessible - not sure what the issue you are having.
The big thing is that Gorsuch seems a much less 'politically' on one side that might have been suspected. The Supremes aren't generally about lacking in belief, or willingness or courage to stand up for it, rather they have a particular view of the law, and that is why the different Presidents push them.
The New York Times and Wall Street Journal are both paywalled sites. They allow you a certain number of free articles each month or so and then ask you to pay.
For Owlswing's benefit, the first article is about a ruling which allows employers to opt out of providing health insurance that covers contraception if they are opposed to it on religious grounds. The second article is about a parcel of land in Oklahoma which they have ruled as belonging to the local native Americans.
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The New York Times and Wall Street Journal are both paywalled sites. They allow you a certain number of free articles each month or so and then ask you to pay.
For Owlswing's benefit, the first article is about a ruling which allows employers to opt-out of providing health insurance that covers contraception if they are opposed to it on religious grounds. The second article is about a parcel of land in Oklahoma which they have ruled as belonging to the local native Americans.
This has been allowed or disallowed?
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53373128
Trump is a crook, it is terrible that people are still prepared to vote for him. >:(
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This has been allowed or disallowed?
The court has ruled that you can exclude contraception from employee health insurance.
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Last night my husband and I watched a Panorama programme about Trump on the i-player. It was made a few years ago and had recordings of him in his late 20s when he started building his empire as well as more recent ones. YE GODS, he was the same then as he is now, a liar, of the opinion he is the best thing since sliced bread, and that making money was more important than anything else in the world. >:(
I reckon if he was in the middle of a business deal and saw a young child in danger, he would complete his deal first before getting help for the kid! >:(
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I reckon if he was in the middle of a business deal and saw a young child in danger, he would complete his deal first before getting help for the kid! >:(
Unfounded assumption...
... I do not believe he would bother getting help for the kid. Or if he did, the kid would end up being sued for the cost of the call.
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Unfounded assumption...
... I do not believe he would bother getting help for the kid. Or if he did, the kid would end up being sued for the cost of the call.
Having watched the programme last night I don't think it is an unfounded assumption at all, we know he is bad, but now we believe him to be far worse than we thought.
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Having watched the programme last night I don't think it is an unfounded assumption at all, we know he is bad, but now we believe him to be far worse than we thought.
Nothing goes over Little Roses' head. Her reflexes are too fast. She would catch it.
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The beautiful poetry of Donald Trump
https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/the-beautiful-poetry-of-donald-trump
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The beautiful poetry of Donald Trump
https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/the-beautiful-poetry-of-donald-trump
;D
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Anyway came across this elsewhere. I'm not, as you will all be aware, given to quoting the Bible very often. I make an exception in this case:
And the beast was given a mouth uttering haughty and blasphemous words, and it was allowed to exercise authority for forty-two months.
Revelation 13:5
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Anyway came across this elsewhere. I'm not, as you will all be aware, given to quoting the Bible very often. I make an exception in this case:
And the beast was given a mouth uttering haughty and blasphemous words, and it was allowed to exercise authority for forty-two months.
Revelation 13:5
Interesting, it must refer to Trump. ;D
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Interesting, it must refer to Trump. ;D
I hope!
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Anyway came across this elsewhere. I'm not, as you will all be aware, given to quoting the Bible very often. I make an exception in this case:
And the beast was given a mouth uttering haughty and blasphemous words, and it was allowed to exercise authority for forty-two months.
Revelation 13:5
Can't be. Trump has already been in office for more than 42 months (that was on the 20th of July).
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I have just seen that MSN reckons Trump might refuse to accept the result of the presidential election if he loses it.
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I have just seen that MSN reckons Trump might refuse to accept the result of the presidential election if he loses it.
Yes. That rumour/opinion has been floating around for awhile now. He does appear to be laying the groundwork to dispute results by casting doubt on the reliability of postal votes.
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I have just seen that MSN reckons Trump might refuse to accept the result of the presidential election if he loses it.
He has no choice. If he loses, on January 20th at midday, he automatically turns back into a private citizen.
That's not to say he might not try to steal the election or declare it invalid in some way. e.g. if enough states fail to certify their results due to alleged voter fraud, there will be serious problems if it means Biden doesn't secure an absolute majority in the Electoral College.
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I reckon the world will be watching the 2020 US presidential election with much more interest than usual.
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I have heard the question 'What will the army do?' asked seriously which is quite scary. I think the divisive rhetoric and action against China is going to get ramped up, though I am to some extent supportive of some of the actions. We live in very 'interesting times'.
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Trump to ban Tik Tok (although not clear how, or of he has the authority)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53619287
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Trump to ban Tik Tok (although not clear how, or of he has the authority)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53619287
Trump seems to think being POTUS gives him the right to do anything he wishes to do. ::)
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53645548
A NY attorney is looking into alleged criminality conducted by Trump and his organisation.
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John Crace turns his attention to Trump for a change.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/04/donald-trump-tv-interview-john-crace-sketch
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This interview of Trump by HBO is quite extraordinary. (It is about 38 minutes in length!)
https://youtu.be/zaaTZkqsaxY
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This interview of Trump by HBO is quite extraordinary. (It is about 38 minutes in length!)
https://youtu.be/zaaTZkqsaxY
Well, I have watched it. Interesting how he has the names of ISIS leaders 'taken out', ready to quote, but I think that is all that can be said in his favour.
What do you think of it?
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Well, I have watched it. Interesting how he has the names of ISIS leaders 'taken out', ready to quote, but I think that is all that can be said in his favour.
What do you think of it?
I haven't seen all of it yet, only the bits that David Packman posted on his Youtube channel, but even in those bits there are some revealing moments.
For example, he waves a graph at Swan and claims it shows the USA does not have the worst mortality and he points out some examples on the graph including "the World". But he says it like he doesn't know what "the World" is.
I think there's some sort of disconnect between the part of his brain that is responsible for reading and the part that that is responsible for thinking. He's read the words "The World" OK but is unable to relate the words to the physical object they represent.
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I think the only positive thing I can say is that he didn't go over the lines when he coloured the graphs.
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I think the only positive thing I can say is that he didn't go over the lines when he coloured the graphs.
He didn't colour them in himself. This is what happens when he does his own maps (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Dorian–Alabama_controversy#/media/File:Trump_holding_altered_Dorian_forecast_map.png).
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He didn't colour them in himself. This is what happens when he does his own maps (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Dorian–Alabama_controversy#/media/File:Trump_holding_altered_Dorian_forecast_map.png).
;D
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I think the only positive thing I can say is that he didn't go over the lines when he coloured the graphs.
:D :D The trouble is, it just isn't funny, is it, when you think of this idiot just possibly being voted in again for another four years. I suppose one could listen to it line by line and try to find one which made any complete sense, but listening once is quite enough for me!!
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:D :D The trouble is, it just isn't funny, is it, when you think of this idiot just possibly being voted in again for another four years. I suppose one could listen to it line by line and try to find one which made any complete sense, but listening once is quite enough for me!!
If he does get re-elected the U S A, the whole of the U S A ) should be declared an Institution for the Criminally Insane and its borders closed to anyone from outside the U S A unless they have a doctor's certificate confirming that they are beyond treatment.
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:D :D The trouble is, it just isn't funny, is it, when you think of this idiot just possibly being voted in again for another four years. I suppose one could listen to it line by line and try to find one which made any complete sense, but listening once is quite enough for me!!
No it's not at all funny.
Faced with Trump though sometimes all that is left is flippancy.
He is left unaffected by rational arguments, he has no capacity for empathy, his motivation appears only to be the protection of his own self-image at the expense of everything else including the lives of the American people.
He is truly a disgusting example of the human race.
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He is truly a disgusting example of the human race.
Can you guarantee, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that he IS human?
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Can you guarantee, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that he IS human?
I suppose not, but we have had examples of humans of this nature before. Generally though, they don't usually become presidents.
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No it's not at all funny.
Faced with Trump though sometimes all that is left is flippancy.
He is left unaffected by rational arguments, he has no capacity for empathy, his motivation appears only to be the protection of his own self-image at the expense of everything else including the lives of the American people.
He is truly a disgusting example of the human race.
He certainly is, what a pity the people who would vote him in again can't see that.
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If he does get re-elected the U S A, the whole of the U S A ) should be declared an Institution for the Criminally Insane and its borders closed to anyone from outside the U S A unless they have a doctor's certificate confirming that they are beyond treatment.
After all that's how the aliens will deal with Earth
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After all, that's how the aliens will deal with Earth
And Trump is a damn good reason for them to do so! Just in case there are more of him than is obvious!
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He certainly is, what a pity the people who would vote him in again can't see that.
Some of them, possibly many, may well do. He's a least worst option if you want policies you agree with carried out.
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Some of them, possibly many, may well do. He's a least worst option if you want policies you agree with carried out.
But he often says he will do something, and then not follow through, and then blame someone else for why it hasn't happened, it is never down to him, of course.
Apparently he has blamed Obama for the way the Covid-19 virus has been handled! :o
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But he often says he will do something, and then not follow through, and then blame someone else for why it hasn't happened, it is never down to him, of course.
Apparently he has blamed Obama for the way the Covid-19 virus has been handled! :o
That's not really the point if you are a Republican - you will want a Republican President even if it's Trump. You will want someone who will appoint conservatives to the Supreme and other courts, you will want someone who will be strong on immigration, you will want someone who will keep away from 'socialised' medicine
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The virtue-signalling is strong today...
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The virtue-signalling is strong today...
Where?
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Everyone rushing to say something even more derogatory about Trump than the previous poster
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Everyone rushing to say something even more derogatory about Trump than the previous poster
Are they? I don't see that as virtue signalling.
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Are they? I don't see that as virtue signalling.
No. However, claiming that others are virtue signalling is in itself virtue signalling in that Mr Micawber is pointing out that he doesn't virtue signal. Which of course, means that I am now guilty of virtue signalling for pointing that out.......
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Can you guarantee, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that he IS human?
I think it would have come up in his medical.
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And Trump is a damn good reason for them to do so! Just in case there are more of him than is obvious!
There are worse people than Trump. Trump does at least have the trait of being utterly incompetent. If he had been more effective at dealing with coronavirus we would be looking at a guaranteed second term right now.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53761744
YE GODS, UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!! >:(
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53761744
YE GODS, UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!! >:(
It could only happen in Trump's America!
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Already seen suggestions that Trump should get the Nobel Peace Prize for this. Tbf it is more deserved than Obama's when it was awarded
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-53770859
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Already seen suggestions that Trump should get the Nobel Peace Prize for this. Tbf it is more deserved than Obama's when it was awarded
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-53770859
I doubt if Trump had anything much to do with it on a personal level. However, your last sentence is correct, unfortunately.
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There is something very iffy about that deal, especially as those corrupt monsters, Trump and Netanyahu, are involved in it. I reckon there might be some pocket lining going on. >:(
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There is something very iffy about that deal, especially as those corrupt monsters, Trump and Netanyahu, are involved in it. I reckon there might be some pocket lining going on. >:(
The timing is actually quite bad for Trump. Everybody will have forgotten about it by November.
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The timing is actually quite bad for Trump. Everybody will have forgotten about it by November.
We hope!
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The question has finally been asked:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2020/aug/14/reporter-asks-trump-do-you-regret-all-your-lying-video
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The question has finally been asked:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2020/aug/14/reporter-asks-trump-do-you-regret-all-your-lying-video
But not answered.
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But not answered.
Well he was never going to.
There should have been an "I am Spartacus" moment on the part of the reporters present, unfortunately they did not take up that option.
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But not answered.
Now there's a surprise. ::)
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Larry plus Moe plus Curly = Donald Trump!
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The question has finally been asked:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2020/aug/14/reporter-asks-trump-do-you-regret-all-your-lying-video
It was hilarious in a dark way how he moved on quickly from that question.
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Here's a nice little amuse bouche
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-border-wall-construction-operational-update-yuma-azremarks-president-trump-border-wall-construction-operational-update-yuma-az/
We put up 18 miles [of border wall] in San Diego, as an example, right opposite Tijuana. And Tijuana is probably the worst place in South America, in terms of the China virus.
Mexico is in South America apparently.
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It might be amusing if Trump was a comic book character!
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It might be amusing if Trump was a comic book character!
"Amuse bouche" doesn't mean amusing. It's a tasty little mouth sized snack to eat before the meal (French: "amuse the mouth"). What I actually meant was it's an inconsequential little item that might provoke some interest.
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What would be of interest is if Trump actually said anything that was actually sensible and true.
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What would be of interest is if Trump actually said anything that was actually sensible and true.
No, that would be boring and normal for a president.
We could certainly do with a bit of boring and normal though.
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Another one of Trump's former associates gets into trouble with the law:
https://www.axios.com/steve-bannon-charged-fraud-199c43c1-2e75-4535-8eb0-d96558c9f777.html
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Trump is hand in hand with crooks. >:(
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Trump is hand in hand with crooks. >:(
Considering Trump's business dealings - I would say it logically follows that he is, although yet to be charged, a crook!
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Considering Trump's business dealings - I would say it logically follows that he is, although yet to be charged, a crook!
As president that piece of the proverbial seems to get away with anything.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53881222
Trump's sister describes him as, 'an unprincipled phoney'.
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That is obvious. However I don't care for books written by relatives who have a grudge and Trump's sister was quoted in one (or 'The' one).
It will all come out without families airing dirty laundry.
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That is obvious. However I don't care for books written by relatives who have a grudge and Trump's sister was quoted in one (or 'The' one).
It will all come out without families airing dirty laundry.
I would have absolutely no hesitation in writing a book about Trump if I was unfortunate enough to have that ghastly man as one of my relatives. I had an evil, sadistic paternal grandmother, I have written about that b*tch many times on forums etc.
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Trump and the cemetery visit that didn't happen
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/?fbclid=IwAR0Zqd4SQWIO8XSRVyNlCMt4NuajZON48Nt3Ok50BNU-cd4qJD4K8fVuslk
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Trump and the cemetery visit that didn't happen
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/?fbclid=IwAR0Zqd4SQWIO8XSRVyNlCMt4NuajZON48Nt3Ok50BNU-cd4qJD4K8fVuslk
Time probably was that this would have automatically ended a political career. This sounds awfully like dementia to me.
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Time probably was that this would have automatically ended a political career. This sounds awfully like dementia to me.
No. He's a psychopath.
ETA: He probably has got dementia as well, but this is just Trump's complete inability to empathise with humans.
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Put this search into Google and you'll get plenety of articles hypothesizing about him
is trump a narcissist
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Tonight’s early evening news- just speechless!!
Dr. Anthony Fauci, Director of the U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told the President: "This morning, three Brazilian people died from Covid-19.”
Trump's face went egg-shell white with shock. The blood drained from his face and to everyone’s amazement he collapsed on the floor.
Minutes passed and, to everyone’s relief, President Trump got up shakily and then sat back on his chair.
His staff was nothing less than stunned at this display of emotion from their President, nervously watching as he sat, head in hands.
Finally, the President looked up and with a shaky quivering voice asked Dr Fauci, "How many people is a brazillion?"
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Factoid of the week.
If president Trump shot a person on Fifth Avenue every 15 minutes for his entire first term, he still wouldn't kill as many people as the Coronavirus pandemic in the USA.
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The fact that Trump removed his mask on the balcony is being made out as a major boost to the coronavirus. It is being shown on a loop again and again. Are the American public so childish that if their President doesn't wear a mask they themselves will not?
Boris Johnson doesn't wear a mask many times. Modi doesn't. So what?
Some people are even saying that that simple act (Trump removing his mask on the balcony) could increase the covid death count to about 400000 by the year end which would have otherwise been about 250000! ::)
The American media is so paranoid.
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The fact that Trump removed his mask on the balcony is being made out as a major boost to the coronavirus. It is being shown on a loop again and again. Are the American public so childish that if their President doesn't wear a mask they themselves will not?
Boris Johnson doesn't wear a mask many times. Modi doesn't. So what?
Some people are even saying that that simple act (Trump removing his mask on the balcony) could increase the covid death count to about 400000 by the year end which would have otherwise been about 250000! ::)
The American media is so paranoid.
I think your missing the point. Johnson doesn't do it as a statement. That removal was a message to Trump's base, look at me I'm strong, nothing to fear. He was actually telling them not to wear a mask by the way he did it. Surprised you didn't get that.
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The fact that Trump removed his mask on the balcony is being made out as a major boost to the coronavirus. It is being shown on a loop again and again. Are the American public so childish that if their President doesn't wear a mask they themselves will not?
Some of them, yes.
Some people are even saying that that simple act (Trump removing his mask on the balcony) could increase the covid death count to about 400000 by the year end which would have otherwise been about 250000! ::)
That's probably an exaggeration.
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The fact that Trump removed his mask on the balcony is being made out as a major boost to the coronavirus. It is being shown on a loop again and again. Are the American public so childish that if their President doesn't wear a mask they themselves will not?
He is currently infectious - he is in a position to send a signal to the american people - so what message does he send? He deliberately and pointedly removes his mask while infectious which is irresponsible in the extreme.
Boris Johnson doesn't wear a mask many times. Modi doesn't. So what?
Johnson and Modi are not currently infectious - were they to be I would expect them to take every step to avoid spreading the infection.
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(A) Not a militia just a bunch of thugs or terrorists, (B) Trump suggested that people should 'liberate Michigan' at one point.
https://amp.detroitnews.com/amp/5922301002?__twitter_impression=true
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(A) Not a militia just a bunch of thugs or terrorists, (B) Trump suggested that people should 'liberate Michigan' at one point.
https://amp.detroitnews.com/amp/5922301002?__twitter_impression=true
What odds would you give that, if Trump loses the poll, some of these groups will stage an armed and violent attempt to keep him in the White House?
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What odds would you give that, if Trump loses the poll, some of these groups will stage an armed and violent attempt to keep him in the White House?
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It's certainly more likely than at any time in my lifetime. There is a deep breach in American society, and as I posted on the election thread, there are much larger numbers of voters on either side of that divide willing to consider violence if they lose than than before.
Trump's obvious attempts to cast doubt on the validity of the election, the ongoing suppression of voting, are making people take this view.
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What odds would you give that, if Trump loses the poll, some of these groups will stage an armed and violent attempt to keep him in the White House?
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I think quite low. They talk the talk but, I think, most of them are too self serving to lay their lives down in the name of a good cause. Most likely, you'll see them doing everything right up to, but not beyond, the line where LEOs start shooting at them.
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I think quite low. They talk the talk but, I think, most of them are too self serving to lay their lives down in the name of a good cause. Most likely, you'll see them doing everything right up to, but not beyond, the line where LEOs start shooting at them.
If there are demonstrations at the result will Trump order the police to shoot?
Will he bring in the military?
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If there are demonstrations at the result will Trump order the police to shoot?
Will he bring in the military?
I think the immediate problem will be at the ballot box where he has encouraged his supporters to go out and intimidate:
“I’m urging my supporters to go into the polls and watch very carefully, because that’s what has to happen. I’m urging them to do it.”
It's often suggested Trumps supporters are stupid. They are not, or at least not totally stupid.
They will understand this coded message to intimidate democrat voters.
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On a lighter note. Over on one of my Facebook feeds the USA has just discovered a word we have discussed previously on here. A word from Scotland I believe. That word being "cockwomble".
They are now using it for the president. However I told them it was already in use for Boris Johnson and that they need to find their own descriptor.
I must say I was impressed by one of the responses:
"Hoofwanking Bunglecunt"
I am definitely using that one.
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On a lighter note. Over on one of my Facebook feeds the USA has just discovered a word we have discussed previously on here. A word from Scotland I believe. That word being "cockwomble".
They are now using it for the president. However I told them it was already in use for Boris Johnson and that they need to find their own descriptor.
I must say I was impressed by one of the responses:
"Hoofwanking Bunglecunt"
I am definitely using that one.
Actually, you can call lots of people Cockwomble
https://youtu.be/NLz2dLRWXBU
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It's certainly more likely than at any time in my lifetime. There is a deep breach in American society, and as I posted on the election thread, there are much larger numbers of voters on either side of that divide willing to consider violence if they lose than than before.
Not "on either side"; on Trump's side only. You are setting up a false equivalence, like Trump did when, speaking of Antifa and their neo-nazi opponents, he said "there are fine people on both sides".
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Not "on either side"; on Trump's side only. You are setting up a false equivalence, like Trump did when, speaking of Antifa and their neo-nazi opponents, he said "there are fine people on both sides".
Nope
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/10/01/political-violence-424157
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As of about one hour ago, Biden took the lead in Georgia (16 EC votes). Georgia and Arizona - which the Guardian is confident is his - get him over the line.
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As of about one hour ago, Biden took the lead in Georgia (16 EC votes). Georgia and Arizona - which the Guardian is confident is his - get him over the line.
Indeed - and he's on course to win Pennsylvania too.
Trump's comments overnight are simply disgraceful. Many of the news channels cut his rant in mid-flow, with some effectively point-by-point demolishing his outlandish claims.
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Indeed - and he's on course to win Pennsylvania too.
Trump's comments overnight are simply disgraceful. Many of the news channels cut his rant in mid-flow, with some effectively point-by-point demolishing his outlandish claims.
Indeed.
I listened with incredulity as Trump spouted conspiracy theories like an illuminati on steroids last night.
For the leader of a nation to deliberately destroy confidence in his own nation's democratic process was frankly jaw dropping.
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Indeed.
I listened with incredulity as Trump spouted conspiracy theories like an illuminati on steroids last night.
For the leader of a nation to deliberately destroy confidence in his own nation's democratic process was frankly jaw-dropping.
What a glorious and appropriate picture these words conjure up!
Wonderful!
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For the leader of a nation to deliberately destroy confidence in his own nation's democratic process was frankly jaw dropping.
Entirely predictable and predicted by many people. It is still a bit of a shock to see him actually do it.
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As of about one hour ago, Biden took the lead in Georgia (16 EC votes). Georgia and Arizona - which the Guardian is confident is his - get him over the line.
So does Nevada, which also looks as though it's heading his way, and he wouldn't need any other states (though the more the better).
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So does Nevada, which also looks as though it's heading his way, and he wouldn't need any other states (though the more the better).
He's pretty secure in Pennsylvania now and that is enough by itself.
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Though I found many of Trump's personal qualities abhorrent....he was bold with a 'devil may care' attitude. He was childish and churlish, but he spoke his mind and was never 'politically correct'. Not that he did not support or help minorities.
I liked his policies on China. He was open minded about Russia and North Korea.
He was a breath of fresh air. We are now back to diplomacy and sweet talk...!
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Though I found many of Trump's personal qualities abhorrent....he was bold with a 'devil may care' attitude. He was childish and churlish, but he spoke his mind and was never 'politically correct'. Not that he did not support or help minorities.
I liked his policies on China. He was open minded about Russia and North Korea.
He was a breath of fresh air. We are now back to diplomacy and sweet talk...!
What the actual?
He was openly sexist about women, antagonistic towards gay people, encouraged violence against his opponents and supported police brutality against people of colour. He treated the office of president as an extension of his personal business.
If you are ok with all that, fine.
But it wasn't a breath of fresh air. It was halitosis.
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Was astonished at the nonsense Giuliani was coming out with on Trump's behalf.
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Was astonished at the nonsense Giuliani was coming out with on Trump's behalf.
Did you see where he was doing it from? The theory is Trump told somebody to book the For Seasons hotel but they instead booked the Four Seasons landscaping company for whatever reason. So the press conference took place in a yard in an industrial estate.
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Did you see where he was doing it from? The theory is Trump told somebody to book the For Seasons hotel but they instead booked the Four Seasons landscaping company for whatever reason. So the press conference took place in a yard in an industrial estate.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1325088995773132803.html
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Did you see where he was doing it from? The theory is Trump told somebody to book the For Seasons hotel but they instead booked the Four Seasons landscaping company for whatever reason. So the press conference took place in a yard in an industrial estate.
;D ;D ;D
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A view of Trump
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/08/hoping-for-a-return-to-normal-after-trump-thats-the-last-thing-we-need?fbclid=IwAR1-YGj3wuPSQpDSp_2sCrwInJmafT3ywg3ivcwZ65pcjkEGuFMhV5o7Oys
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A view of Trump
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/08/hoping-for-a-return-to-normal-after-trump-thats-the-last-thing-we-need?fbclid=IwAR1-YGj3wuPSQpDSp_2sCrwInJmafT3ywg3ivcwZ65pcjkEGuFMhV5o7Oys
Great for the stinking rich, tough, tougher due to Covid, for those who work for the stinking rich and who gives a fuck about the rest of the world as long as the good ole U S of A is OK!
I have little concern for his effect on the U S but his attitude to Global Warming in particular and the oil pipeline from Canada and quite possibly ecology as a whole make my blood run cold.
So he doesn't care what people think of him as long as they keep him in the White House, but they haven't have they?
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A couple of days late, but this brought a smile.
https://www.ayrshiredailynews.co.uk/post/south-ayrshire-golf-club-owner-loses-2020-presidential-election
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Great for the stinking rich, tough, tougher due to Covid, for those who work for the stinking rich and who gives a fuck about the rest of the world as long as the good ole U S of A is OK!
I have little concern for his effect on the U S but his attitude to Global Warming in particular and the oil pipeline from Canada and quite possibly ecology as a whole make my blood run cold.
So he doesn't care what people think of him as long as they keep him in the White House, but they haven't have they?
You seem to have missed Varoufakis' point which is in no sense to defend Trump but to critique the idea that a return to normal is some form of a solution.
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You seem to have missed Varoufakis' point which is in no sense to defend Trump but to critique the idea that a return to normal is some form of a solution.
A "return to normal" in the U S seems to be 'no change' except that the attitude of the rich to the not rich is not quite so blatant! The White House will remain as racist as ever but not so blatant.
Trump's America was the same as before but he didn't give a damn who knew about it.
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A "return to normal" in the U S seems to be 'no change' except that the attitude of the rich to the not rich is not quite so blatant! The White House will remain as racist as ever but not so blatant.
Trump's America was the same as before but he didn't give a damn who knew about it.
Which is why Varoufakis is saying a return to normal will solve nothing, and he is making no defence of Trump, indeed he is condemning him.
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Which is why Varoufakis is saying a return to normal will solve nothing, and he is making no defence of Trump, indeed he is condemning him.
Sir, I bow to your ability to read journalistese better than I!
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What Trump might do next.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54875343
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What Trump might do next.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54875343
It doesn't mention the possibility that Trump might be spending his remaining years fighting of court cases (or in prison if he is unsuccessful in court).
Also, I think it underestimates the trouble his businesses are in. He's up to the neck in debt and a lot of his assets are hotels which are probably not profitable at the moment.
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Utterly barking
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/trump-iran-strike-nuclear-site-attack-b1723987.html
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Utterly barking
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/trump-iran-strike-nuclear-site-attack-b1723987.html
Who is more insane; Mr Orange, or the sycophants who cling to him?
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Trump is going from bad to worse, if that is possible. He behaves like a small child having frequent temper tantrums. His supporters must be as bonkers as he is if they can't see how sick in the head that man is.
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"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." Hitler
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I like this; S christian view of 'Trumpian Christianity.'
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/gracecoloredglasses/2020/11/dear-trump-christians-what-in-gods-name-are-you-doing-christlike/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=FBCP-TCL&fbclid=IwAR1ACQR1OH0y8ltF-nU7NVlz1INxmXhwZcAfoNjePTWlrbPuVsM9uvZtUqE
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I like this; S christian view of 'Trumpian Christianity.'
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/gracecoloredglasses/2020/11/dear-trump-christians-what-in-gods-name-are-you-doing-christlike/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=FBCP-TCL&fbclid=IwAR1ACQR1OH0y8ltF-nU7NVlz1INxmXhwZcAfoNjePTWlrbPuVsM9uvZtUqE
Thanks for posting Anchorman.
A very well thought out piece.
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I like this; S christian view of 'Trumpian Christianity.'
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/gracecoloredglasses/2020/11/dear-trump-christians-what-in-gods-name-are-you-doing-christlike/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=FBCP-TCL&fbclid=IwAR1ACQR1OH0y8ltF-nU7NVlz1INxmXhwZcAfoNjePTWlrbPuVsM9uvZtUqE
An excellent article. :)
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...temper tantrums...
As I pointed out on another thread, this is an oxymoron, and even if one accepts that "temper" now means the opposite of its original meaning, it's still a tautology. All you needed to say was "tantrums".
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As I pointed out on another thread, this is an oxymoron, and even if one accepts that "temper" now means the opposite of its original meaning, it's still a tautology. All you needed to say was "tantrums".
Pedant!
Owlswing
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As I pointed out on another thread, this is an oxymoron, and even if one accepts that "temper" now means the opposite of its original meaning, it's still a tautology. All you needed to say was "tantrums".
Really? You're complaining about that?
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As I pointed out on another thread, this is an oxymoron, and even if one accepts that "temper" now means the opposite of its original meaning, it's still a tautology. All you needed to say was "tantrums".
Oh for pity's sake, GIVE IT A REST! ::)
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He's right though. I have used the phrase "temper tantrums" before now but won't again now he has reminded me. It's like saying, "Let me reiterate again".
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I do like winding up the easily-wound-up with a bit of pedantry! Childish, I know, but there it is.
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I like this; S christian view of 'Trumpian Christianity.'
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/gracecoloredglasses/2020/11/dear-trump-christians-what-in-gods-name-are-you-doing-christlike/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=FBCP-TCL&fbclid=IwAR1ACQR1OH0y8ltF-nU7NVlz1INxmXhwZcAfoNjePTWlrbPuVsM9uvZtUqE
I like it too Anchor. Thanks.
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I do like winding up the easily-wound-up with a bit of pedantry! Childish, I know, but there it is.
It doesn't seem to take much for you to have a TEMPER tantrum as you appear to be easily wound up. Shades of that darling man across the pond. :P ;D ;D ;D
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What a waste of time, temper tantrum is a phrase that has passed into common usage. You can be a pedant if you want, but is it worth it:
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/pregnancy-and-baby/temper-tantrums/
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What a waste of time, temper tantrum is a phrase that has passed into common usage. You can be a pedant if you want, but is it worth it:
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/pregnancy-and-baby/temper-tantrums/
If it gives our friend pleasure, fine, it seems to be a sweetie to an infant!
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If it gives our friend pleasure, fine, it seems to be a sweetie to an infant!
;D
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This is an interesting article on Trump's state of mind:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/21/trump-monumental-sulk-president-retreats-from-public-eye-covid-ravages-us
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If it gives our friend pleasure, fine, it seems to be a sweetie to an infant!
Aw I'm not an infant. I like to know precise meanings & notice when people are imprecise, don't mind when my mistakes are pointed out to me. If I heard something incorrect I probably wouldn't say anything in real life because there's a time and place but would think it. Here isn't real life tho' & we learn all the time. That's the reason places like this exist.
From Cambridge dictionary:-
tantrum
noun [ C ]
UK /ˈtæn.trəm/ US /ˈtæn.trəm/
a sudden period of uncontrolled anger like a young child's:
"Charlie had/threw a tantrum in the shop because I wouldn't buy him any sweets."
If she doesn't get her own way she has (temper) tantrums.
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Trent:- https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/21/trump-monumental-sulk-president-retreats-from-public-eye-covid-ravages-us
I especially like this bit:-
“Donald Trump has not only suffered a catastrophic political defeat, he’s clearly also suffering from a deep emotional break. This behavior is even more erratic than usual and he has retreated. He has put himself in a form of psychological isolation. His emotional state is clearly abysmal. In the popular lexicon, he’s lost it.”
One way of looking at it I suppose.
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https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/11/donald-trump-last-minute-damage (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/11/donald-trump-last-minute-damage)
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There are many articles on-line stating that Trump has a serious mental health problem, which appears to be the case if his behaviour since the election is anything to go by. It is really scary that he still has nearly two months to go before Biden takes over! :o
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There are many articles on-line stating that Trump has a serious mental health problem, which appears to be the case if his behaviour since the election is anything to go by. It is really scary that he still has nearly two months to go before Biden takes over! :o
There are many articles online stating that Covid is a plot to bring in fascist controls
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There are many articles online stating that Covid is a plot to bring in fascist controls
True, but Trump's behaviour does give rise to serious concern.
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True, but Trump's behaviour does give rise to serious concern.
If you are worried about law suits after you are President, and are willing to do most things to save yourself, then sanity may be the scariest thing.
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If you are worried about law suits after you are President, and are willing to do most things to save yourself, then sanity may be the scariest thing.
So you reckon Trump is pretending to be mentally ill to avoid law suits?
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So you reckon Trump is pretending to be mentally ill to avoid law suits?
No.
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So what are you saying?
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So what are you saying?
That neither you nor I are qualified to diagnose Trump as insane. You think his actions show him to be so, but given the circumstances they seem to me the actions of a sane if amoral person
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That is your opinion to which you are entitled.
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That is your opinion to which you are entitled.
It's not opinion that neither of us are qualified to diagnose Trump.
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So what are you saying?
He's saying that Trump is desperate to remain president to avoid going to prison after it's all over and will therefore do anything to stay in power.
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That is your opinion to which you are entitled.
That's what you always say when you've been comprehensively out-argued, but don't want to admit it.
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I still think Trump has mental health issues as do many other people, but we can only speculate as to what his actual problem is.
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I still think Trump has mental health issues as do many other people, but we can only speculate as to what his actual problem is.
You have no expertise to diagnose Trump, and the 'many other people' is simply you using the ad populum fallacy.
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You have no expertise to diagnose Trump, and the 'many other people' is simply you using the ad populum fallacy.
I never said I had, but you are speculating as well.
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I never said I had, but you are speculating as well.
Yes, I made that clear. I just didn't use fallacious arguments like the ad populum to try and make my case.
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You have no expertise to diagnose Trump, and the 'many other people' is simply you using the ad populum fallacy.
Yes but several qualified people are saying that Trump does have mental health issues.
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Yes but several qualified people are saying that Trump does have mental health issues.
Not an argument made by LR, so irrelevant to my point. And in terms of that argument, there are lots of qualified people saying he does not
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Yes, I made that clear. I just didn't use fallacious arguments like the ad populum to try and make my case.
Really? ;D
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... the 'many other people' is simply you using the ad populum fallacy.
No it isn't. LR simply mentioned that many people think Trump is bonkers. She didn't try to draw any conclusion from that.
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I wonder which actor will be the Trump character when this election, like no other, is turned into a movie?
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No it isn't. LR simply mentioned that many people think Trump is bonkers. She didn't try to draw any conclusion from that.
Then it's entirely irrelevant
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I wonder which actor will be the Trump character when this election, like no other, is turned into a movie?
Based on his impersonations of him on Saturday Night Live, Alec Baldwin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_Night_Live
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Then it's entirely irrelevant
Have you ever admitted you were wrong about anything?
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Have you ever admitted you were wrong about anything?
Many times. If it isn't being used as an ad populum, can you explain why it is relevant? It will make discussion easier if you don't make irrelevant personal comments, and instead present arguments.
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Many times. If it isn't being used as an ad populum, can you explain why it is relevant? It will make discussion easier if you don't make irrelevant personal comments, and instead present arguments.
Being widely believed doesn't prove the belief to be true, but that doesn't make it irrelevant. If you want to avoid personal comments, you could try being less cocky and confrontational.
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Being widely believed doesn't prove the belief to be true, but that doesn't make it irrelevant. If you want to avoid personal comments, you could try being less cocky and confrontational.
Why is it relevant?
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Why is it relevant?
Because LR is arguing in more loosely conversational terms than you are allowing for. I think you may be guilty of the McNamara fallacy.
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Because LR is arguing in more loosely conversational terms than you are allowing for. I think you may be guilty of the McNamara fallacy.
That doesn't explain any relevance.
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Many times.
Examples please, or I may have to accuse you of the proof-by-assertion fallacy.
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Examples please, or I may have to accuse you of the proof-by-assertion fallacy.
I frequently tell my wife that I was wrong about facts in recollections and that her memory was correct.
Not seeing the relevance to the thread.
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That doesn't explain any relevance.
It's relevant in a loosely conversational way.
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It's relevant in a loosely conversational way.
And again that's not explaining any relevance. What point is the statement being made for?
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Oh, to hell with it. Go on - make one more reply to get the last word. I am off this thread for now. This is not an admission of defeat, just of weariness.
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It's relevant in a loosely conversational way.
LR's statement about 'many people' is an obvious ad pop though, since it is solely an appeal to numbers without any other form of justification that supports a claim that Trump has mental health issues (even if 'many people' do indeed think that he has).
Whether he has mental health issues or not is irrelevant to this 'many people' claim, since the claim is not an informed one.
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I wonder if some publisher would consider bringing out a Trump comic? If it was well done I suspect it would have a large readership.
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Not an argument made by LR, so irrelevant to my point. And in terms of that argument, there are lots of qualified people saying he does not
If you’re going to split hairs, LR made a statement of opinion, not fact so she doesn’t have to bring cast iron proof to the table.
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If you’re going to split hairs, LR made a statement of opinion, not fact so she doesn’t have to bring cast iron proof to the table.
Thankyou. :)
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If you’re going to split hairs, LR made a statement of opinion, not fact so she doesn’t have to bring cast iron proof to the table.
Didn't ask her to do so.
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Look this discussion about Trump's sanity could go on until the cows come home or Biden takes over the White House. We should just leave that for now and concentrate on how long it is likely to be before Trump concedes.
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Look this discussion about Trump's sanity could go on until the cows come home or Biden takes over the White House. We should just leave that for now and concentrate on how long it is likely to be before Trump concedes.
He’s a clinical psychopath. He’s not going to concede ever. Fortunately, he doesn’t have to. On January 20th at midday he will cease to be president automatically.
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If he does not try to engineer a coup before that ...
More seriously, however, if he makes no attempt to allow the Biden administration the opportunity to acclimatise itself to the realities of being the Executive branch in the US federal government his reputation - even among his own supporters - will be trashed.
A thought that has occurred to once or twice: is he sufficiently disturbed as to be likely to commit suicide?
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A thought that has occurred to once or twice: is he sufficiently disturbed as to be likely to commit suicide?
With any luck...
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With any luck...
Trump is not my favourite person, and should he have broken laws then I hope he is prosecuted but wishing that he might commit suicide feels distasteful.
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Trump is not my favourite person, and should he have broken laws then I hope he is prosecuted but wishing that he might commit suicide feels distasteful.
Distasteful to you it might be but I will guarantee that a huge number of people would breathe a huge and heartfelt sigh of relief!
Me included! In fact, I might actually crack a bottle of Mead in order to drink a toast to his finally doing something positive for the rest of the world other than, or possibly including, his family.
Owlswing
)O(
P S - personal opinion - approval neither sought nor required!
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I suppose that it is with some relief that I learn that he has at least allowed the Biden camp access to appropriate funds. This suggests that he has accepted the inevitable.
He has not, however, stopped maintaining he is the victim of an electoral fraud.
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I suppose that it is with some relief that I learn that he has at least allowed the Biden camp access to appropriate funds. This suggests that he has accepted the inevitable.
He has not, however, stopped maintaining he is the victim of electoral fraud.
My first thought is by whom, and how, he was convinced of exactly what the 'inevitable' was?
Assuming, of course, that he is not just working out what his next move is to reverse the polls!
Owlswing
)O(
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Hopefully when Biden is president he will be able to drag the US out of sewer into which it descended under Trump's leadership.
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My first thought is by whom, and how, he was convinced of exactly what the 'inevitable' was?
Assuming, of course, that he is not just working out what his next move is to reverse the polls!
Owlswing
)O(
I think a lot of this is about getting himself a pardon
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I think a lot of this is about getting himself a pardon
We I wouldn't have thought the way he is behaving is going to grant him that wish.
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We I wouldn't have thought the way he is behaving is going to grant him that wish.
It's about being such a pain that the Republicans will agree to it to avoid him trashing the brand even more. He also has a set of many millions of loyal supporters who are loyal to him, not the Republicans, and yet they will want to keep those votes.
With the run offs for the crucial Georgia senate seats in January he wants to make it as much about him as possible. A deal where he resigns and an outgoing President Pence gives him a pardon is easier for him to get if he continually reminds the Republicans that he's not bound by normal rules of behaviour. 'The squeaky wheel gets the oil'
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I think a lot of this is about getting himself a pardon
You really do not have a very high opinion of him at all, do you?
Owlswing
)O(
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If he does not try to engineer a coup before that ...
He is trying to do that now. His legal challenges and other attempts to overthrow the election are a coup attempt. It looks like it's going to fail.
More seriously, however, if he makes no attempt to allow the Biden administration the opportunity to acclimatise itself to the realities of being the Executive branch in the US federal government his reputation - even among his own supporters - will be trashed.
There's good news on that front.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-55052640
However, i must dispute the "even among his own supporters " part. I think they are more likely to be upset if he does cooperate in handing over power.
A thought that has occurred to once or twice: is he sufficiently disturbed as to be likely to commit suicide?
No, but he might be in enough financial trouble to do that. Who owns the Lady Ghislaine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dancing_Hare)? I wonder if the Trump family bought her.
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With any luck...
That's sort of understandable given that he can still do a lot of damage until January 20th but, apart from the fact that I don't like to wish death on anybody, I do want to see him face justice for his crimes.
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We I wouldn't have thought the way he is behaving is going to grant him that wish.
Since the person who grants pardons is the President of the United States, he could get a pardon before January 20th. Surprisingly, it is not a given that a president can't pardon himself under the US constitution.
ETA: NS speculates that he might resign and get a pardon from Pence. That is plausible and doesn't suffer from the constitutional uncertainty of a self pardon. Trump could effectively hold the GOP to ransom, because, if he starts pushing the narrative that they have behaved in a traitorous way towards him, his base will stop voting for them and that's a sizeable part of the GOP vote gone.
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You really do not have a very high opinion of him at all, do you?
Owlswing
)O(
At times, if I leave aside the question of morality, there is a sort of horrified admiration. I think people have and do underestimate him in terms of his ability to connect and to ignore how things are supposed to play.
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That's sort of understandable given that he can still do a lot of damage until January 20th but, apart from the fact that I don't like to wish death on anybody, I do want to see him face justice for his crimes.
Unless he is legally declared bankrupt, can you really see him not finding a way to buy his way out of any kind of legal action? You call the British government 'corrupt'! It has absolutely nothing within a thousand miles of the corruption of the American legal and political systems.
Even if he has to borrow from the Mafia - or sell his golf courses (all of them) to them.
Owlswing
)O(
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Unless he is legally declared bankrupt, can you really see him not finding a way to buy his way out of any kind of legal action? You call the British government 'corrupt'! It has absolutely nothing within a thousand miles of the corruption of the American legal and political systems.
Even if he has to borrow from the Mafia - or sell his golf courses (all of them) to them.
Owlswing
)O(
That's true but he won't want to spend his time doing that. He will want to be making money from being the ex President, not spending time and effort and money avoiding being sent to jail.
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That's true but he won't want to spend his time doing that. He will want to be making money from being the ex-President, not spending time and effort and money avoiding being sent to jail.
Publishing his memoirs with his version of the last four years and how great he is and the great possibilities the U S electorate has thrown way?
Owlswing
)O(
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Publishing his memoirs with his version of the last four years and how great he is and the great possibilities the U S electorate has thrown way?
Owlswing
)O(
Absolutely. Also the possibility is launching his own TV channel.
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Absolutely. Also, the possibility is launching his own TV channel.
First Series to be titled 'Lies Unlimited' presumably?
Owlswing
)O(
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;D
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Which one is the turkey?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-55064806
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Which one is the turkey?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-55064806
Neither!
The turkeys (multiple) are/were the people who voted for the (nearly) human one!
Owlswing
)O(l
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Unless he is legally declared bankrupt, can you really see him not finding a way to buy his way out of any kind of legal action?
There is a possibility that he'll manage to stay out of jail, but he'll definitely escape justice if he commits suicide first.
You call the British government 'corrupt'!
Do I?
It has absolutely nothing within a thousand miles of the corruption of the American legal and political systems.
I don't think the US legal system or political system is any more corrupt than that of any other modern democracy. The biggest problem with both (as I see it from 3,000 miles away) is that they were designed in the expectation that politics would be less partizan and adversarial than it has become.
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As NS mentioned earlier, I wonder if Trump will resign and Pence then becomes President for a few weeks in order to pardon Trump for any crimes he may have committed as President - I'm not sure whether or not any Presidential pardon would also cover Trump's personal, financial and business affairs.
After all it has happened before, and notably when Ford pardoned Nixon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon_of_Richard_Nixon
If Trump is pardoned it will be interesting to see how this plays out in the two seats yet to be decided in Georgia, given that unless the Democrats can win both then the Republicans will no doubt frustrate Biden at every turn.
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Both Ford and Nixon were Republicans. I wonder have well it would go down with Biden's supporters if he pardoned Trump?
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As NS mentioned earlier, I wonder if Trump will resign and Pence then becomes President for a few weeks in order to pardon Trump for any crimes he may have committed as President - I'm not sure whether or not any Presidential pardon would also cover Trump's personal, financial and business affairs.
After all it has happened before, and notably when Ford pardoned Nixon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon_of_Richard_Nixon
If Trump is pardoned it will be interesting to see how this plays out in the two seats yet to be decided in Georgia, given that unless the Democrats can win both then the Republicans will no doubt frustrate Biden at every turn.
I think any pardon will be after the Georgia run offs
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Both Ford and Nixon were Republicans. I wonder have well it would go down with Biden's supporters if he pardoned Trump?
No one is saying Biden will pardon Trump.
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No one is saying Biden will pardon Trump.
Did I suggest that they were? It was speculation on Gordon's part as it is on mine!
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Both Ford and Nixon were Republicans. I wonder have well it would go down with Biden's supporters if he pardoned Trump?
If Trump resigns before his term is up on January 20th, Mike Pence becomes president until January 20th. They don't bring Biden's inauguration forward.
Did I suggest that they were? It was speculation on Gordon's part as it is on mine!
Gordon speculated that Pence would pardon Trump, not Biden.
As NS mentioned earlier, I wonder if Trump will resign and Pence then becomes President for a few weeks in order to pardon Trump for any crimes he may have committed as President
I'm not sure whether or not any Presidential pardon would also cover Trump's personal, financial and business affairs.
The answer to that is that Pence can only pardon Trump for Federal crimes. If Trump is convicted by a state (e.g. New York is definitely looking into potential Trump crimes), he will go to prison.
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I apologise to Gordon for misreading his post, I only had half of my single braincell concentrating on what I was writing. :-[
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55236260
Apparently Trump is rushing through some executions before Biden takes over as president!
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He'll be lucky.
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He'll be lucky.
?? It's the people being executed whose luck is in question surely?
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Apparently, the following was posted by one Donald J Trump on his Twitter account six years ago:
President Obama has a major meeting on the N.Y.C. Ebola outbreak, with people flying in from all over the country, but decided to play golf!
4:54 AM
Oct 24, 2014
Were he to be presented with this today, do you think that its irony would escape him?
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So long, farewell, Auf Wiedersehn, GTF
https://youtu.be/B7kCqrlwDtU
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So long, farewell, Auf Wiedersehn, GTF
https://youtu.be/B7kCqrlwDtU
;D
GOODBYE and GOOD RIDDANCE!
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I've struggled to understand how the Trump fan club can persist in their fraud claims despite there being no substantive evidence: but all has been revealed by Newsthump.
https://newsthump.com/2020/12/14/donald-trump-presents-schrodingers-evidence-simultaneously-overwhelming-and-not-enough-to-convince-a-single-judge/
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I've struggled to understand how the Trump fan club can persist in their fraud claims despite there being no substantive evidence: but all has been revealed by Newsthump.
https://newsthump.com/2020/12/14/donald-trump-presents-schrodingers-evidence-simultaneously-overwhelming-and-not-enough-to-convince-a-single-judge/
Nice one!
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The Electoral College has voted. It's done.
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I reckon Trump will try to cause as much aggravation as he can for Biden between now and Jan 20th.
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For Trump, its all about money. He's asking his supporters to contribute to a war chest to fight 'voter fraud'.
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Surely, with a recording of a telephone call in which he tries to get a public office holder to behave illegally is grounds for an emergency Bill of Impeachment?
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Surely, with a recording of a telephone call in which he tries to get a public office holder to behave illegally is grounds for an emergency Bill of Impeachment?
Better to let his term end then prosecute him for attempting to subvert the system.
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Better to let his term end then prosecute him for attempting to subvert the system.
I agree, besides which there isn't time to impeach Trump, there is only 14 days left before Biden takes over.
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I agree, besides which there isn't time to impeach Trump, there is only 14 days left before Biden takes over.
Providing the Commander-in-Chief hasn't taken the Executive Action of declaring a national emergency and imposed national military rule! ::)
Of course, I'm sure thatthis will not happen ... but you never know what deluded fantasies may be developing in what passes for a brain inside the Trump skull.
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Extraordinary scenes at the Capitol.
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Providing the Commander-in-Chief hasn't taken the Executive Action of declaring a national emergency and imposed national military rule! ::)
Of course, I'm sure thatthis will not happen ... but you never know what deluded fantasies may be developing in what passes for a brain inside the Trump skull.
I wouldn't put anything past Trump, I think there is nothing he wouldn't do.
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I wouldn't put anything past Trump, I think there is nothing he wouldn't do.
Surely he must know the game's up?
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Surely he must know the game's up?
That's the problem
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That's the problem
I see your point.
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I have just heard - on BBC News that impeachment is being considered ... or at least has been mentioned.
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I have just heard - on BBC News that impeachment is being considered ... or at least has been mentioned.
Yep, and it needs to be. This is a very different situation from this morning.
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HH,
I have just heard - on BBC News that impeachment is being considered ... or at least has been mentioned.
From the Guardian online a few mins ago:
"Ilhan Omar, a progressive congresswoman from Minnesota, said she was drawing up articles of impeachment after a mob of Trump supporters stormed the Capitol today."
Coda:
"“Donald J. Trump should be impeached by the House of Representatives & removed from office by the United States Senate,” Omar said.
“We can’t allow him to remain in office, it’s a matter of preserving our Republic and we need to fulfill our oath.”
There had been some rumblings among Democrats about impeachment after Trump’s call with the Georgia secretary of state was made public, but some Democratic lawmakers said they did not think impeachment was necessary because Trump’s term will end in two weeks.
But the events of today may change some minds on that front."
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HH,
From the Guardian online a few mins ago:
"Ilhan Omar, a progressive congresswoman from Minnesota, said she was drawing up articles of impeachment after a mob of Trump supporters stormed the Capitol today."
Coda:
"“Donald J. Trump should be impeached by the House of Representatives & removed from office by the United States Senate,” Omar said.
“We can’t allow him to remain in office, it’s a matter of preserving our Republic and we need to fulfill our oath.”
There had been some rumblings among Democrats about impeachment after Trump’s call with the Georgia secretary of state was made public, but some Democratic lawmakers said they did not think impeachment was necessary because Trump’s term will end in two weeks.
But the events of today may change some minds on that front."
I don't think so. You need a two thirds majority in the Senate for impeachment to result in Trump being kicked out (it won't happen), and I don't think there's time to go through the whole process before 20th January.
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An US reporter interviewing some Trump supporters - at first at thought this was quite funny, then I realised it really wasn't funny at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbzNca1FoWI
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Ye gods they are all off their heads like Trump! :o
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US reporter interviewing some Trump supporters - at first I thought this was quite funny, then I realised it really wasn't funny at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbzNca1FoWI
America - the Leader of the Western World? Goddess help the Western World because in that case, we are all in deep, very deep, shit!!
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An US reporter interviewing some Trump supporters - at first at thought this was quite funny, then I realised it really wasn't funny at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbzNca1FoWI
LOL, here is a more recent one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a_6pwTO_gk
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Just ffs!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55631498
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LOL, here is a more recent one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a_6pwTO_gk
And some Christian views
https://youtu.be/kAgTZSJ4jo8
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And some Christian views
https://youtu.be/kAgTZSJ4jo8
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! :o
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An US reporter interviewing some Trump supporters - at first at thought this was quite funny, then I realised it really wasn't funny at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbzNca1FoWI
I love the man with the tee-shirt listing all the one term presidencies. And we now know he got the first one right.
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LOL, here is a more recent one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a_6pwTO_gk
Yours is older.
It's still good though.
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I love the man with the tee-shirt listing all the one term presidencies. And we now know he got the first one right.
USAicans love a dynasty
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Do we think Trump supporters will have a German Mitchell and Webb moment?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRU
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And Trump hits a bigly record
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55656385
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An US reporter interviewing some Trump supporters - at first at thought this was quite funny, then I realised it really wasn't funny at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbzNca1FoWI
The inability of his voters to see the irony in their statements! The pro-life guy who then thought wearing a mask to protect others' lives was a personal choice.
The t-shirt with the Trump dynasty was worrying - cannot believe that anyone would want that for their country. I can see why he thought he had listed 2 terms for each President - the start of each presidency was 4 years after the end-date of the previous President. So Ivanka was 2024-2028 but the next one on the list, Don Jr only starts in 2032 so presumably it's Ivanka again from 2028-2032.
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I hope the Senate follow through when it is their turn to vote and back up the impeachment of Trump.
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I hope the Senate follow through when it is their turn to vote and back up the impeachment of Trump.
Seems unlikely given only 10 Republicans in the HoR voted to impeach, that you get around 17 in the Senate to vote for conviction. Vote won't be happening till after the inauguration apoarently
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Seems unlikely given only 10 Republicans in the HoR voted to impeach, that you get around 17 in the Senate to vote for conviction. Vote won't be happening till after the inauguration apoarently
It seemed unlikely in November that Trump would lose the election, but he did. Things seem to change hour by hour where Trump and the Republicans are concerned.
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The interesting aspect of this will be, when the impeachment trial starts, whether the Republican Party will use it an a means to rid themselves of the Trump brand even if it alienates his support base, where they have a couple of years to rebuild before the next 'mid-terms', or whether they are so in thrall to Trump that they are prepared to ignore his conduct.
I'd imagine that those looking for the 2024 nomination might welcome that Trump is out of the running.
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It seemed unlikely in November that Trump would lose the election, but he did. Things seem to change hour by hour where Trump and the Republicans are concerned.
No, the polls indicated that Trump was likely to lose the election.
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The interesting aspect of this will be, when the impeachment trial starts, whether the Republican Party will use it an a means to rid themselves of the Trump brand even if it alienates his support base, where they have a couple of years to rebuild before the next 'mid-terms', or whether they are so in thrall to Trump that they are prepared to ignore his conduct.
I'd imagine that those looking for the 2024 nomination might welcome that Trump is out of the running.
Biden has a lot of work that needs urgent attention. Hopefully he will start getting that done and leave the trial to later, some months on. In the meantime, Federal and State prosecutors can investigate Trumps, likely illegal, activities.
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Biden has a lot of work that needs urgent attention. Hopefully he will start getting that done and leave the trial to later, some months on. In the meantime, Federal and State prosecutors can investigate Trumps, likely illegal, activities.
I wouldn't see the Senate trial as taking much of Biden's time. Indeed I think he could publicly step away from it.
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I wouldn't see the Senate trial as taking much of Biden's time. Indeed I think he could publicly step away from it.
He could, but it would take up ALL of the Senate's time - so he would be unable to get appointments or legislation through.
ETA: Also there would be more evidence on which to try him.
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He could, but it would take up ALL of the Senate's time - so he would be unable to get appointments or legislation through.
I think it's perfectly possible to reduce the time this, as happened in the HoR yesterday.
EtA in reply to your ETA, I think they are better doing this when it is fresh, and based on the same evidence the HoR had.
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His immediate circle seems to imploding - now involving Giuliani
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/14/trump-refusing-to-pay-rudy-giuliani-legal-fees-after-falling-out
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His immediate circle seems to imploding - now involving Giuliani
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/14/trump-refusing-to-pay-rudy-giuliani-legal-fees-after-falling-out
Maybe settle it with a trial by combat? :)
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His immediate circle seems to imploding - now involving Giuliani
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/14/trump-refusing-to-pay-rudy-giuliani-legal-fees-after-falling-out
At times like this I do miss Trump's twitter feed.
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Maybe settle it with a trial by combat? :)
Lol
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I wonder if Mitch McConnell and other Republican senators are not saying how they will vote until they have seen if there is any trouble at the inauguration.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55670526
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I looked at the odds on Trump pardoning one of his children and it was 15/8 odds on.
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It's not a particularly pleasant day outside so I decided to see if there was any tv programme I had missed on IPlayer. I discovered, and am now half way through a binge of The Trump Show - four one hour long episodes detailing the "reign" of Donald Trump. I think that today may be the first day on which the final episode is available.
I am finding them riveting. There is no way that the Beeb's approach could be called impartial. It is condemnatory from the start.
There are contributions from several of the people who were - at some time - members of Trump's inner circle, holding positions such as Special Advisor and Chief of Staff. There is also a contribution from Stormy Daniels. And of course, there is the central figure himself ...
One ... err ... observation that illuminates the bizarre character that inhabits the orange-topped monstrocity: when discussing his inauguration he considered the possibilty of swearing his oath on his "own" book - The Art of the Sale - instead of the Bible.
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It's not a particularly pleasant day outside so I decided to see if there was any tv programme I had missed on IPlayer. I discovered, and am now half way through a binge of The Trump Show - four one hour long episodes detailing the "reign" of Donald Trump. I think that today may be the first day on which the final episode is available.
I am finding them riveting. There is no way that the Beeb's approach could be called impartial. It is condemnatory from the start.
There are contributions from several of the people who were - at some time - members of Trump's inner circle, holding positions such as Special Advisor and Chief of Staff. There is also a contribution from Stormy Daniels. And of course, there is the central figure himself ...
One ... err ... observation that illuminates the bizarre character that inhabits the orange-topped monstrocity: when discussing his inauguration he considered the possibilty of swearing his oath on his "own" book - The Art of the Sale - instead of the Bible.
There are so many times when I've been listening to sentences said by and about Trump in the last six years where I've heard it, and had to process it a few times to get to quite how absurd it is.
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Interesting article on the legacy of Trump. Thing is I think Trump is a symptom here not the cause
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/trumps-legacy-isnt-just-violence-and-qanon-its-a-broken-information-system/
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One of the American commentators on Five Live last night was talking about Byden as a three-dimensional figure, whereas Trump was barely 0.5 dimensions, and a poor 0.5 at that!
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One of the American commentators on Five Live last night was talking about Byden as a three-dimensional figure, whereas Trump was barely 0.5 dimensions, and a poor 0.5 at that!
Hmm I think that depends on the spectacles one wears.
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Randy Rainbow's farewell to Trump
https://youtu.be/UzXBVkWASI4
And this is what he is parodying
https://youtu.be/UvyHuse6buY
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;D
Trump is probably hoping for his image on Mount Rushmore.
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I have watched all the episodes now.
Apparently Trump got the idea of claiming the election to be fraudulent from one of his favourite films - Citizen Kane.
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Vicious from McConnell about Trump. Surely he has to vote fpr conviction after this. The cynic in me suspects there will bena number that can be seen as significant from the Reps who bote for conviction but not quite enough to succeed.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/19/politics/mcconnell-trump/index.html
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I have watched all the episodes now.
Apparently Trump got the idea of claiming the election to be fraudulent from one of his favourite films - Citizen Kane.
One wonders if Trump has a Rosebud, and if so what it is?
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Vicious from McConnell about Trump. Surely he has to vote fpr conviction after this. The cynic in me suspects there will bena number that can be seen as significant from the Reps who bote for conviction but not quite enough to succeed.
My suspicion is that - with its recently acquired Qanon, Proudboys and other factions - the Republican Party will be unelectable (like Labour under Corbyn) unless some re-alignment of some kind takes place. McConnell will possibly put as much distance between the GOP and Trump as he can. After all, in FPTP political systems elections are usually lost if they become too extreme. Victory takes place at the centre. And I think that the Trumpian practice of monstrous lies about oponents will be dropped.
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And in just a few hours, the title of this topic will have to change to EX-President Trump!
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And in just a few hours, the title of this topic will have to change to EX-President Trump!
No, he retains the title, whilst losing the power, so it would be correct to leave as is.
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The whole pardon thing is very very odd.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55729221
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No, he retains the title, whilst losing the power, so it would be correct to leave as is.
That's a pity! That's where we here have an advantage, I think, since the PM doesn't retain the title when no longer in office.
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That's a pity! That's where we here have an advantage, I think, since the PM doesn't retain the title when no longer in office.
Ir's such a different system that there isn't any real comparison. The big problem we have is that FPTP gives too much power to an executive elected by minority vote.
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From Nigella Lawson on Twitter:
Well, yes, Bitter Orange Tart just happens to be #RecipeOfTheDay. Apart from anything else, there are more things to make with Seville oranges than marmalade! This is not complicated: the base is bashed ginger nuts https://nigella.com/recipes/bitter-orange-tart
I wonder what prompted that today?
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And from Susie Dent:
Word of the day is 'exsibilate' (17th century): to hiss a poor performer off the stage.
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I have watched all the episodes now.
Apparently Trump got the idea of claiming the election to be fraudulent from one of his favourite films - Citizen Kane.
I've caught up with the last one. The thing that is amazing to me is that even with all the lies, all the preparation for calling the election a fraud, both 2020 and 2016, that when you see the speech on in the White House where he calls it as a fraud, that it dwarfs everything.
It's been called The Big Lie but it's way beyond that.
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Now Trump has left the White House it would be great if it was good riddance to bad rubbish, but there is now talk of him forming his own political party! :o
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Now Trump has left the White House it would be great if it was good riddance to bad rubbish, but there is now talk of him forming his own political party! :o
In the American political system its only consequence would be to ensure that the Democrats won.
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In the American political system its only consequence would be to ensure that the Democrats won.
Interesting. If the Republican vote split the same way in every constituency, the Democrats would win everything. If the were the case, I'd predict a split in the Democrats too.
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Interesting. If the Republican vote split the same way in every constituency, the Democrats would win everything. If the were the case, I'd predict a split in the Democrats too.
I think that would require the Trumparty to run for more than a couple of elections.
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Final count from Washington Post of misleading or false claims from Trump over 4 years - 30,753 - roughly 20 a day
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-claims-database/
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They should have had Bette Midler at the inauguration:
https://youtu.be/yRBe7DIS2q0
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Final count from Washington Post of misleading or false claims from Trump over 4 years - 30,753 - roughly 20 a day
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-claims-database/
20 a day.....I wonder how many of those were post coital.
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That there are such obvious splits forming amongst the far fringes is a good sign
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-55746304
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I don't often follow Premier Radio, but 'Unbelievable' is a good apologetics platform.
This is a debate about the state of American evangelicalism vis-a-vis Trump, and worth a look.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR2UQ6l4meY5THI1p0zSUqJX-n2xm2R3V05xsX5_x8PHp8qH1T3Yma9LVuA&v=KfbFw_81FEE&feature=youtu.be
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Bizarre story of Trump being pranked
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55760511
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News of other pardons that, surprisingly, received little publicity as the orange-tinged arse made his exit.
https://newsthump.com/2021/01/19/donald-trump-to-pardon-general-zod-skeletor-and-the-borg/
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Trump becoming President again on March 4th, apparently
https://www.vice.com/en/article/88akpx/qanon-thinks-trump-will-become-president-again-on-march-4?utm_source=email&utm_medium=editorial&utm_content=news&utm_campaign=210125&fbclid=IwAR3Ar-hW2V_lUnxtGyXfbhYy-9N2EEZs8bHaxpV1Pbt3IVqXDdtF7jEfn8A
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Trump and his crazy followers seem to have lost the plot completely. :o
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Trump and his crazy followers seem to have lost the plot completely. :o
That is, of course, if they ever found the plot in the first place - found or made up!
Owlswing
)O(
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These Are My Principles. If You Don’t Like Them I Have Others
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55820610
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This doesn't surprise me ........... https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/russian-intelligence-cultivated-donald-trump-for-decades-says-former-kgb-agent/ar-BB1dfOjF?ocid=mailsignout&li=BBoPWjQ
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This is absolutely mad.
https://www.axios.com/trump-oval-office-meeting-sidney-powell-a8e1e466-2e42-42d0-9cf1-26eb267f8723.html
I don't know if it is completely accurate, but it is quite funny.
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This is absolutely mad.
https://www.axios.com/trump-oval-office-meeting-sidney-powell-a8e1e466-2e42-42d0-9cf1-26eb267f8723.html
I don't know if it is completely accurate, but it is quite funny.
I don't find it funny but very concerning if it is true. :o
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I don't find it funny but very concerning if it is true. :o
It's either laugh or cry. I choose the former.
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It's either laugh or cry. I choose the former.
I've just listened to that absolutely extraordinary affair! Would it have automatically been recorded? Or was it secretly recorded, or were there cameras filming it, or was it some other way of being able to publish the exact words and actions?
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Trump's lawyers really struggle with speeling
https://www.newsweek.com/trumps-lawyers-mocked-misspelling-united-states-impeachment-trial-filing-1566447?amp=1&utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true
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'The martyrdom of Mike Pence'
https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/07/mike-pence-donald-trump-republicans-religion-evangelical?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other&__twitter_impression=true
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'The martyrdom of Mike Pence'
https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/07/mike-pence-donald-trump-republicans-religion-evangelical?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other&__twitter_impression=true
With time on my hands, I have listened to all of that. Certainly quite horrifyingly, but believably, interesting.
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Trump's 2nd impeachment trial starts tomorrow.
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In Donald we trust
https://worldnewsdailyreport.com/church-of-donald-trump-and-confirmation-day-saints-legally-recognized-as-religion-by-utah-court/?fbclid=IwAR2eUDsW6SIC9sM9A5JyGdXDr__KXe1EEBrc5qYMUaAVqBBaEbCPhIOl704
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In Donald we trust
https://worldnewsdailyreport.com/church-of-donald-trump-and-confirmation-day-saints-legally-recognized-as-religion-by-utah-court/?fbclid=IwAR2eUDsW6SIC9sM9A5JyGdXDr__KXe1EEBrc5qYMUaAVqBBaEbCPhIOl704
Ah;
The foundational scriptures were in reformed gobbldegoook, untranslatavle when found on the back of a golf primer floating in Florida, till an acolyte used a mystic diet Coke can to interpret them for the masses.......
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Ah;
The foundational scriptures were in reformed gobbldegoook, untranslatavle when found on the back of a golf primer floating in Florida, till an acolyte used a mystic diet Coke can to interpret them for the masses.......
https://youtu.be/xDFZflAfhy0
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In Donald we trust
https://worldnewsdailyreport.com/church-of-donald-trump-and-confirmation-day-saints-legally-recognized-as-religion-by-utah-court/?fbclid=IwAR2eUDsW6SIC9sM9A5JyGdXDr__KXe1EEBrc5qYMUaAVqBBaEbCPhIOl704
BONKERS!!!!! >:(
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BONKERS!!!!! >:(
I really hope that this kind of old b******s is only possible in the USA!
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I really hope that this kind of old b******s is only possible in the USA!
So do I.
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It's satire! Look at top right - "World News Daily Report - where facts don't matter"! ;D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_News_Daily_Report
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It's satire! Look at the top right - "World News Daily Report - where facts don't matter"! ;D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_News_Daily_Report
Only you would notice something like that!
An appropriate vehicle for anything to do with Mr. Trump!
Owlswing
)O(
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In Donald we trust
https://worldnewsdailyreport.com/church-of-donald-trump-and-confirmation-day-saints-legally-recognized-as-religion-by-utah-court/?fbclid=IwAR2eUDsW6SIC9sM9A5JyGdXDr__KXe1EEBrc5qYMUaAVqBBaEbCPhIOl704
Love it: nice to see the US has something similar to our very own Newsthump (their thoughtful listing of Trump's achievements in the link below).
https://newsthump.com/2021/01/20/the-complete-list-of-president-trumps-achievements/
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Totally in character:
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/09/politics/trump-mail-in-ballot-voting-florida/index.html?
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Trump launches new 'communications platform' - well, sort of.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-56989500
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Trump has apparently stated that he will be back in office by this August! YEH RIGHT! ::)
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Welcome back!
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Welcome back!
Thank you. :)
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Trump has praised the Nigerian Government for banning the use of TWITTER in their country. Trump is only praising them as he was banned from that social media site and others due to his disgusting tweets.
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Trump has praised the Nigerian Government for banning the use of TWITTER in their country. Trump is only praising them as he was banned from that social media site and others due to his disgusting tweets.
. . . and Nigeria has the kind of government that Trump wanted in the U S of A!
Owlswing
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Oh dear!
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/12/11/poll-trump-leads-2024-republican-primary-by-58-points/
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Oh dear!
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/12/11/poll-trump-leads-2024-republican-primary-by-58-points/
I think that is good news. The Democrats have beaten him once. They'll beat him again. I wouldn't be quite so confident about any of his Republican rivals.
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So.....this is a thing apparently:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/dec/15/trump-mocked-superhero-digital-card-collection
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So.....this is a thing apparently:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/dec/15/trump-mocked-superhero-digital-card-collection
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/dec/17/donald-trumps-digital-trading-card-collection-sells-out-in-less-than-a-day
And the cards have sold out. Gutted that I didn't get the chance to buy one.
You can fool some of the people all of the time.
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And Trump says he will be arrested on Tuesday
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/18/politics/donald-trump-manhattan-da-arrest-protests/index.html
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Trump to be charged, MAGAtards coping hard and then when I thought it couldn't get much better, I found the meme of the day.
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Quite incredible
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-65167017
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What a day. Finland joins NATO and Trump gets arrested. Brilliant!
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Let's not be too triumphalist here. At the moment, it looks like the arrest is actually benefiting his electoral campaign. If he doesn't go to prison, he might win in 2024.
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Let's not be too triumphalist here. At the moment, it looks like the arrest is actually benefiting his electoral campaign. If he doesn't go to prison, he might win in 2024.
I wouldn't be so sure. Initially, yes, it might benefit his poll ratings but one of Trumps things, and which his supporters also seem to thrive on, is that he thinks we can do things with impunity. Once they see this isn't true there's a good chance his support will fade.
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I wouldn't be so sure. Initially, yes, it might benefit his poll ratings but one of Trumps things, and which his supporters also seem to thrive on, is that he thinks we can do things with impunity. Once they see this isn't true there's a good chance his support will fade.
I don't think Jerrmy is sounding certain, and he's caveating that with Trump getting off which would effectively be 'with impunity'.
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I don't think Jerrmy is sounding certain, and he's caveating that with Trump getting off which would effectively be 'with impunity'.
Yeah.👍
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Jury finds Donald Trump sexually abused columnist E Jean Carroll in civil case
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/09/e-jean-carroll-wins-trump-trial-verdict
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Bomb scare at Trump hearing
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-arraignment-bomb-threat-miami/
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Donald Trump and the Stolen Artifacts
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-took-israeli-artifacts-mar-a-lago-1234790136/
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Donald Trump and the Stolen Artifacts
When's it's release date?
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Trump indicted again. Not sure how you prove this one.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-64034782
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Roll up, roll up.... for the Donald Trump Show
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66388176
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The Donald went down to Georgia, looking for an election to steal.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66505804
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I want to say I'm shocked, but I'm not, the discourse in the USA has a certain numbing affect on me now. But I am dismayed at this latest clear attempt at intimidation:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/17/georgia-grand-jurors-information-posted-rightwing-websites
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I want to say I'm shocked, but I'm not, the discourse in the USA has a certain numbing affect on me now. But I am dismayed at this latest clear attempt at intimidation:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/17/georgia-grand-jurors-information-posted-rightwing-websites
I dread to think what might happen in the election
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The presidential mugshot
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66612345
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The presidential mugshot
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66612345
And John Bolton has said his former boss "looks like a thug", and that the expression is clearly an attempt to intimidate the opposition.
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Trump in Court: Part the 3,014,773rd
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67222900
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More Trump in court and somehow unbelivably it's a bit boring
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-67314495
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Fani Willis's bidie in must be beyond suspicion but there is 'an odor of mendacity'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68568382
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Topic renamed, again.
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"Someone tell the story,
Someone sing the song.
Every now and then
The country
Goes a little wrong.
Every now and then
A madman's
Bound to come along.
Doesn't stop the story-
Story's pretty strong.
Doesn't change the song...'
From Sondheim's Assassins
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So apparently there was a 3 way with Trump, Zelensky and Musk. I worry about Trump's foreign policy but then more of the same, given where we are, was not an easy sell.
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Musk/Ramaswamy becomes DOGEs
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/12/politics/elon-musk-vivek-ramaswamy-department-of-government-efficiency-trump/index.html
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Musk/Ramaswamy becomes DOGEs
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/12/politics/elon-musk-vivek-ramaswamy-department-of-government-efficiency-trump/index.html
The skeleton crew, no checks and balances route.
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The skeleton crew, no checks and balances route.
There is a small part of me that is looking forward to the chaos.
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There is a small part of me that is looking forward to the chaos.
Indeed. "We're going to make you all redundant. Unfortunately, there won't be anyone left to process your unemployment benefit claims." The stuff mass protests are made of.
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Perhaps Trump enthusiasts should be mindful of the old adage - 'be careful what you wish for'.
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'Interesting' choice of Matt Gaetz as Attorney General
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/civility-at-white-house-ahead-of-new-world-as-trump-sends-washington-into-another-tailspin/ar-AA1u2SET
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'Interesting' choice of Matt Gaetz as Attorney General
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/civility-at-white-house-ahead-of-new-world-as-trump-sends-washington-into-another-tailspin/ar-AA1u2SET
Apparently, he has never worked as a prosecutor. He has a law degree. Big deal.
I'm not sure what emotions are appropriate when we hear these two drongos, Trump and Gaetz, rabbiting on about "rooting out fraud" etc. All I can look forward to is a bit of NS's Schadenfreude as the highly likely disasters ensue.
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Apparently, he has never worked as a prosecutor. He has a law degree. Big deal.
I'm not sure what emotions are appropriate when we hear these two drongos, Trump and Gaetz, rabbiting on about "rooting out fraud" etc. All I can look forward to is a bit of NS's Schadenfreude as the highly likely disasters ensue.
It also stops the inquiry into his behaviour, perhaps Trump just thought it would be good to have someone who has been in a similar position to him in the role.
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Russian TV on Tulsi Gabbard
https://www.ibtimes.com/russian-state-tv-calls-trump-national-intelligence-director-nominee-our-girlfriend-tulsi-3751067
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Dawkins being a Musk fan boy
https://x.com/RichardDawkins/status/1856427574693691823
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Donald gives a big hello to RFK Jnr. Hmmm...
https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1857170020427595797
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Donald gives a big hello to RFK Jnr. Hmmm...
https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1857170020427595797
Anti-vaxer in charge of health!
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Anti-vaxer in charge of health!
To be fair, the Dems had a man who thought you can become a woman as Assistant Health Secretary.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Levine
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To be fair, the Dems had a man who thought you can become a woman as Assistant Health Secretary.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Levine
Those at risk from lethal viruses amount to millions. Those who wish for possibly very dubious gender realignment are not quite on that scale.
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Those at risk from lethal viruses amount to millions. Those who wish for possibly very dubious gender realignment are not quite on that scale.
The point is surely the principle of health appointees who believe in ideological positions?
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The point is surely the principle of health appointees who believe in ideological positions?
No, the point is who is going to do the most damage to humanity. I would argue it is the anti-vaxer.
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No, the point is who is going to do the most damage to humanity. I would argue it is the anti-vaxer.
And if you validate anti scientific ideologies, you pave the way for it.
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The writers are really pushing the boundaries of credibility on the show.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/lord-mandelson-wont-rule-out-double-jobbing-as-us-ambassador/ar-AA1tXxbD
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No, the point is who is going to do the most damage to humanity. I would argue it is the anti-vaxer.
One consolation is that Kennedy looks and sounds even more knackered and crumbly than Biden. Living proof of his grasp of health-related matters in his own person.
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'Editor-in-chief of Scientific American resigns following expletive-filled rant against Trump voters' - I imagine this may not be the last such resignation.
https://nypost.com/2024/11/15/us-news/editor-in-chief-of-scientific-american-laura-helmuth-resigns-following-expletive-filled-rant-against-trump-voters/
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Well, Trump's 'Drill, baby, drill' 'pledge,' looks likely to be kept.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c93qjdjwnxko
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'Editor-in-chief of Scientific American resigns following expletive-filled rant against Trump voters' - I imagine this may not be the last such resignation.
https://nypost.com/2024/11/15/us-news/editor-in-chief-of-scientific-american-laura-helmuth-resigns-following-expletive-filled-rant-against-trump-voters/
She was already on thin ice with her attempts to politicise science through her magazine.
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A government of all the grifters
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8rl8knmg8eo
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Matt Gaetz drops out from consideration for Attorney General, that went well.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/matt-gaetz-drops-bid-serve-174115904.html
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Seems strange that he didn't go with Bondi first. The attempt at appointing Gaetz though might be seem as more of a test case to see how much he could do. Interesting that Gaetz now has to decide whether to fight his seat having resigned.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjr4g50wxp2o
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I wouldn't be surprised if RFK Jnr is gone from his post by this time next year. I don't see how he can maintain his beliefs in terms of food regulation and serve under Trump
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cze391y17z7o
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Prosecutor drops federal criminal cases against Trump - not a surprise but another step to avoiding jail
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gvd7kxxj5o
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It doesn't get more tacky than this - Trump Guitars. They electrics are clearly Les Paul rip-offs, and with a disclaimer that they are not associated with Gibson Guitars (the Les Paul is one of their flagship models). It seems that Gibson aren't impressed.
https://gettrumpguitars.com/
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/27/gibson-trump-guitars
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Hegseth going ....?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr564zd43l9o
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I fear we continue to live in interesting times. Even for Marjorie Taylor Greene, who because of the triname fits in with Violet Elizabeth Bott in my head, the idea of Speaker Musk is a thing.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3rqv248pxpo
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I fear we continue to live in interesting times. Even for Marjorie Taylor Greene, who because of the triname fits in with Violet Elizabeth Bott in my head, the idea of Speaker Musk is a thing.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3rqv248pxpo
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I think cartoons like that are the reason why Musk will be out of favour quite quickly
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I think cartoons like that are the reason why Musk will be out of favour quite quickly
Indeed. It's only a matter of time.
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I think cartoons like that are the reason why Musk will be out of favour quite quickly
And lines like this
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And lines like this
Yep. His ego won't take it.
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Gulf of America?
The use of military force for Greenland and Panama Canal?
Just another ordinary day in Trumptown.
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Gulf of America?
The use of military force for Greenland and Panama Canal?
Just another ordinary day in Trumptown.
Trump is certifiably insane. Seriously! And whatever happened to "nO mORe wArS!"
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Gulf of America?
The use of military force for Greenland and Panama Canal?
Just another ordinary day in Trumptown.
Putin and Xi are probably loving this. A new Molotov-Ribbentrop pact?
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Trump is off his head, given half a chance he will turn the US into a far right extremist country. >:(
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Trump is off his head, given half a chance he will turn the US into a far right extremist country. >:(
What measures do you think he would take that would be far right?
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What measures do you think he would take that would be far right?
Declaring war right, left and centre - he's already threatening Denmark and Panama.
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Declaring war right, left and centre - he's already threatening Denmark and Panama.
I'll accept that that's mad. I'm not convinced it's far right.
ETA Also Trump has a history of being somewhat hyperbolic as regards what action he will take. I suspect because he thinks that it gives him a bargaining position, and he's not bothered about the truth.
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Declaring war right, left and centre - he's already threatening Denmark and Panama.
I would certainly describe them as far right and the policies of a dictator.
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He says he understands Russia's 'set in stone' feelings about Ukraine joining NATO.
link (https://youtu.be/ZJRXTRRjePw?si=NOdcLjnglvJeqsWe) "In fact they had a deal, but Biden said they had to be able to join NATO"
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He says he understands Russia's 'set in stone' feelings about Ukraine joining NATO.
link (https://youtu.be/ZJRXTRRjePw?si=NOdcLjnglvJeqsWe) "In fact they had a deal, but Biden said they had to be able to join NATO"
We all know where he gets his talking points from.
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"Supreme Court rejects Trump bid to halt hush-money case sentencing" - so sentencing should be today
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2v2exxn72o
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Can follow the sentencing here
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cd9x99p2ek8t
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Lol!
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This has been fact checked:
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From 8 years ago
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Trump and The Village People, obviously
https://youtu.be/_4XY4kSfpy4?si=B3uvda9mCySdHub4
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On the eve of his inauguration, Trump launches yet another grift.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/20/donald-trump-meme-coin-price-melania-token
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I see the man in he white coat has comme for Trump, with a strait-jacket over his arm...
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Interesting article on talking to Trump voters
https://goodbyedonald.substack.com/p/dont-call-me-stupid
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Interesting article on talking to Trump voters
https://goodbyedonald.substack.com/p/dont-call-me-stupid
I couldn't read this without thinking of Stewart Lee on Brexit voters.
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I couldn't read this without thinking of Stewart Lee on Brexit voters.
This one?
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2025/jan/19/information-dark-age-elon-musk-donald-trump-jeff-bezos
I didn't know it was published until today. So, um...tha...thank.. you....W....wal... Waltzy...
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This one?
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2025/jan/19/information-dark-age-elon-musk-donald-trump-jeff-bezos
I didn't know it was published until today. So, um...tha...thank.. you....W....wal... Waltzy...
wow, I think Lee could do with reading the article I posted from Lawrence Donegan
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Barron Trump with his hand over his left lung, and Melania with hers over her left tit.. It's always interesting, when watching Yanks during the singing of the national yankthem, to see who knows basic anatomy. Clearly not these two: the heart is in the middle, not way over to the left. It just leans to the left (unlike nearly all Yank politicians).
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Entirely predictable, yet highly unlikely to pass, Republican house member puts forward an ammendment to the constitution to allow third terms for president. I think we'll see lots of this kind of thing during the next four years.
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/23/trump-third-term-amendment-constitution-ogles.html
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Who knows what kind of condition he will be in in four years time! He may even be dead.
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Who knows what kind of condition he will be in in four years time! He may even be dead.
So President Vance
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I've got to stop reading these articles....but FFS:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jan/27/trump-vengeance-critics
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If only...
Messing about with an AI image generator.
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I caught a bit of an interview with Rory Stewart this morning. He has apparently been talking to v.p. Vance. It seems that the latter and Trump himself are obsessed with people's IQs, and intent on asserting how high their own are. I'm just about prepared to believe that Vance's is quite high (though it's apparent that his moral compass will move in any direction according to the political advantage involved*). But does anyone think Trump has a superhuman IQ? The fact that he has to keep informing us of the fact seems to indicate that "he doth protest too much".
*Vance is a born-again Catholic, and intent on asserting 'family values' in political life above anything, even quoting Thomas Aquinas to support his view. If he'd known his Bible, he'd have known that Jesus himself had said that in following him, a person would make enemies among his own household, and as Rory Stewart pointed out, the parable of the Good Samaritan indicates that goodness can often be found in the 'Outsider'.
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Vance is only slightly more intelligent than Trump. He uses eyeliner and has sex with couches.
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I caught a bit of an interview with Rory Stewart this morning. He has apparently been talking to v.p. Vance. It seems that the latter and Trump himself are obsessed with people's IQs, and intent on asserting how high their own are. I'm just about prepared to believe that Vance's is quite high (though it's apparent that his moral compass will move in any direction according to the political advantage involved*). But does anyone think Trump has a superhuman IQ? The fact that he has to keep informing us of the fact seems to indicate that "he doth protest too much".
*Vance is a born-again Catholic, and intent on asserting 'family values' in political life above anything, even quoting Thomas Aquinas to support his view. If he'd known his Bible, he'd have known that Jesus himself had said that in following him, a person would make enemies among his own household, and as Rory Stewart pointed out, the parable of the Good Samaritan indicates that goodness can often be found in the 'Outsider'.
Straight off, Vance, seems to be consistent with much of Stateside christianity in abandoning context for picked and pungent verse quoting that can support everyman for himself and his genes and ends up supporting Karma, manifest destiny and social Darwinism.
Not only do I think Reagan might be spinning in his grave over Vance, I might imagine Aquinas doing so as well.
American Catholicism seems to be leaning into Trumpianity now too.
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Trump has gone into full chaos mode. I'm pretty sure he doesn't know how tariffs actually work. This will all end in tears at some point, I'm sure, when groceries and fuel cost even more; when the US has eroded every last bit of trust anyone had in it and nobody will want to trade with them; when Musk has gutted every single federal department; when nobody will want to share intelligence with them because they appointed outright traitors like Gubbard and Patel; and when dangerous diseases make a comeback because they appointed brainworm RFK as health secretary. Then they'll realise their country is ruled by oligarchs who turned it into russia 2.0, in otherwords a complete shithole, and they'll realise their mistake. Some of us will laugh at these MAGAtards and say "You voted for this, you fucking dumb fuck!"
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From The Guardian's Live US Politics Blog today.
NBC News has reported overnight that dozens of Education department employees who attended a diversity training course during Donald Trump’s first term has president have been put on leave.
A letter to the affected employees obtained by the news network said they would continue to receive their full salaries and benefits and wouldn’t be required to do any work-related tasks.
Citing union sources, Yamiche Alcindor reported that “at least 55 employees had been placed on leave as of Friday evening.”
Sheria Smith, president of American Federation of Government Employees Local 252, which represents hundreds of Education Department employees, said:
"It looks like they’re entrapping people, because they encouraged people to take these trainings. [They are] now maybe using these trainings as a basis to put them on administrative leave."
My impression, and I may have the wrong impression, is that we are watching a developing Orwellian dictatorship where certain activities are ceased and people who, presumably, have expertise in these activities and could challenge dogma, are simply removed.
Wouldn't be surprised if in a couple of years time moves are made to change electoral arrangements/convention so that Trump can continue at the end of this term. This has happened before in the case of FDR, on the basis of the circumstances of the Depression followed by WWII, where he started a 4th term but died soon afterwards.
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Currently re-reading 'The Code of the Woosters' by (obv) PG Wodehouse. What we need is evidence of some embarrassing secret of Trump's. I wonder if he designs women's underwear in his spare time - some high-up in the Democratic party could whisper "Eulalie" (or whatever) in passing, and there'd be no more nonsense about tariffs or buying Greenland.
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Wouldn't be surprised if in a couple of years time moves are made to change electoral arrangements/convention so that Trump can continue at the end of this term. This has happened before in the case of FDR, on the basis of the circumstances of the Depression followed by WWII, where he started a 4th term but died soon afterwards.
It's already started
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/23/trump-third-term-amendment-constitution-ogles.html
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Currently re-reading 'The Code of the Woosters' by (obv) PG Wodehouse. What we need is evidence of some embarrassing secret of Trump's. I wonder if he designs women's underwear in his spare time - some high-up in the Democratic party could whisper "Eulalie" (or whatever) in passing, and there'd be no more nonsense about tariffs or buying Greenland.
But haven't there already been enough embarrassing secrets revealed? Trump just does not care, because he knows he just has to keep repeating "Fake news" ad infinitum, and he knows there will be enough gullible numpties out there who'll believe him - even to changing the constitution to allow him a third term.
Roderick Spode seems an all-too human figure compared to Trump.
On Question Time last night he was described as "a copper-bottomed ocean going imbecile" (or something) Let's hope there's an iceberg waiting somewhere along the line.
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Currently re-reading 'The Code of the Woosters' by (obv) PG Wodehouse. What we need is evidence of some embarrassing secret of Trump's. I wonder if he designs women's underwear in his spare time - some high-up in the Democratic party could whisper "Eulalie" (or whatever) in passing, and there'd be no more nonsense about tariffs or buying Greenland.
Oddly enough I was reading that this week, too. I suspect Trump does not suffer from.embarassment in the same way as Spode
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Trump thinks he is always RIGHT and everyone who disagrees with him is WRONG and should be prosecuted. :o That ghastly excuse for a human has the genes that create a dictator. He is only interested in things going his way no matter how many innocent people are killed and maimed in the process. >:(
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Money and politics should not mix.
Being sent by God? He tells the end from the beginning. Where is it in the bible that God was sending Trump?
We know God knows every leader who will come upon earth,
Why would he tell someone to let his people go and stop the person letting them go? Doesn't make sense.
We have to rethink things.
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Money and politics should not mix.
Being sent by God? He tells the end from the beginning. Where is it in the bible that God was sending Trump?
We know God knows every leader who will come upon earth,
Why would he tell someone to let his people go and stop the person letting them go? Doesn't make sense.
We have to rethink things.
'You' not 'we'. 'Believe' not 'know'.
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Trump just made an ever bigger war in Europe even more likely.
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Trump just made an ever bigger war in Europe even more likely.
Not sure it does that, but it does look like Ukraine might not exist in 5 years
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The leaders of the two countries with the most nuclear weapons are now on speaking terms - how can that be anything but good news?
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The leaders of the two countries with the most nuclear weapons are now on speaking terms - how can that be anything but good news?
What could possibly go wrong with two lunatics in the same room?
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The leaders of the two countries with the most nuclear weapons are now on speaking terms - how can that be anything but good news?
Since one may no longer provide the nuclear umbrella, more people are going to want their own. Do you think Sweden, Ukraine, Finland , Germany and Poland are incapable?
Ukraine only doesn't have one, as far as I can tell because of American support and Russian assurances.
We shouldn't be over impressed just because of strategic use of God Talk.
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Since one may no longer provide the nuclear umbrella, more people are going to want their own. Do you think Sweden, Ukraine, Finland , Germany and Poland are incapable?
Ukraine only doesn't have one, as far as I can tell because of American support and Russian assurances.
We shouldn't be over impressed just because of strategic use of God Talk.
eh?
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Since one may no longer provide the nuclear umbrella,
Are you referring to NATO or ukraine?
Ukraine only doesn't have one, as far as I can tell because of American support and Russian assurances.
It never had any that it could use in the first place, and Russia wouldn't allow it to develop them or have them on its territory. That's why the war started: the Biden administration refused to rule out putting US missiles in Ukraine.
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Definitely not a cult, folks! Yet another firm measure to bring down the price of eggs.😂
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'You' not 'we'. 'Believe' not 'know'.
Nah Maeght,
Sorry if you took offence none meant. Speaking to believer too. :)
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Trump just made an ever bigger war in Europe even more likely.
Why? Do you think the anti-Christ will only effect Europe. A bit of a bold statement would you not think?
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The leaders of the two countries with the most nuclear weapons are now on speaking terms - how can that be anything but good news?
I would worry when China and Russia march down the hills of Jerusalem. Maybe, America sick of them all so warning them off.
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Why? Do you think the anti-Christ will only effect Europe. A bit of a bold statement would you not think?
I don't think anyone has defined Trump as the anti-Christ, although he will undoubtedly affect more than just Europe. His decimation of USAid is very concerning for Africa given the amount of work they do on prevention of diseases on that continent. Trump is going to have the death of many, many people on his conscience.
Well, that is if he had one.
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Raiders of the lost ark came to mind. LOL
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Why? Do you think the anti-Christ will only effect Europe. A bit of a bold statement would you not think?
What?
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Why? Do you think the anti-Christ will only effect Europe. A bit of a bold statement would you not think?
The emperor Nero lived in a time when transport much further than Europe and the Mediterranean was problematic. Certainly, the Roman army's reach was limited by their lack of technology.
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To those of you who claim that maybe Trump , Musk et al are not fascists, this is a thought-provoking piece:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/feb/17/the-new-world-order-is-exactly-what-it-looks-like-are-we-too-frozen-with-fear-to-name-it
Me?
I'm one of the guys at the end looking away, pretending it is not happening, frozen.
More definitive proof that God doesn't exist - he/she/it would surely help now? Wouldn't they? Or are they just as heartless as the monster they created?
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To those of you who claim that maybe Trump , Musk et al are not fascists, this is a thought-provoking piece:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/feb/17/the-new-world-order-is-exactly-what-it-looks-like-are-we-too-frozen-with-fear-to-name-it
Me?
I'm one of the guys at the end looking away, pretending it is not happening, frozen.
More definitive proof that God doesn't exist - he/she/it would surely help now? Wouldn't they? Or are they just as heartless as the monster they created?
Are you saying this is not a problem devised entirely by humanity? I see it as evidence of sin and evil and I should imagine, so do you.
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To those of you who claim that maybe Trump , Musk et al are not fascists, this is a thought-provoking piece:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/feb/17/the-new-world-order-is-exactly-what-it-looks-like-are-we-too-frozen-with-fear-to-name-it
Me?
I'm one of the guys at the end looking away, pretending it is not happening, frozen.
More definitive proof that God doesn't exist - he/she/it would surely help now? Wouldn't they? Or are they just as heartless as the monster they created?
As one of those who doesn't think they are fascist, the article annoys me. It misrepresents entirely my, and a lot of other's position, on this by seeking to portray the idea that they might not be fascist as ignoring a problem. Rather I think the problem is given a click by calling it fascist when it isn't. Calling something fascist when it's not just allows the problem actions to be protected by easy illustrations of non fascist actions and ideology. This form of populism is much more flexible than fascist, and it's also helped by portraying any concerns that may be valid in terms of foreign policy, immigration, social policy, energy policy as inherently right wing.
This is a much harder problem and fight than one to be addressed with a label, and can't be done just by oppisitionalism, and a lack of recognition of real problems.
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Are you saying this is not a problem devised entirely by humanity? I see it as evidence of sin and evil and I should imagine, so do you.
Given the abundance of Christian nationalist support that helped slide his unctuous bulk into the White House, I see sin as part of the problem, too, but probably not in the same way that you do.
O.
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Are you saying this is not a problem devised entirely by humanity? I see it as evidence of sin and evil and I should imagine, so do you.
Are you saying that God didn't devise humanity?
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To those of you who claim that maybe Trump , Musk et al are not fascists, this is a thought-provoking piece:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/feb/17/the-new-world-order-is-exactly-what-it-looks-like-are-we-too-frozen-with-fear-to-name-it
Me?
I'm one of the guys at the end looking away, pretending it is not happening, frozen.
More definitive proof that God doesn't exist - he/she/it would surely help now? Wouldn't they? Or are they just as heartless as the monster they created?
I'm claiming they aren't fascists. Free speech is the freedom all the others depend on. Three short videos that go some way to explaining why I, and some of the other women I’ve been working with in defence of women’s rights, no longer trust the “left” to tell us what to think, or sign up to what Zoe Williams calls the "post-war consensus".
Spiked interview discussing recent events in Germany:
https://youtu.be/hHASwKtcboU?feature=shared
Megyn Kelley reviewing a 60 Minutes about oppressive German law:
https://youtu.be/cEpYqnr61Zo?feature=shared
Douglas Murray, opining on why we are where we are:
https://youtu.be/J_DOKRDRJzA?feature=shared
I expect the AfD to do very well in the German election.
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Yeah. I get it. The system isn't working well for people. So you think smashing it to pieces is the way to go. I love people who think millionaires who grab women by the pussy are the one's who have the answers to all the world's problems. If you aren't scared at what is happening with Trump, Musk. Putin, etc . I have to ask why the fuck aren't you?
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Yeah. I get it. The system isn't working well for people. So you think smashing it to pieces is the way to go. I love people who think millionaires who grab women by the pussy are the one's who have the answers to all the world's problems. If you aren't scared at what is happening with Trump, Musk. Putin, etc . I have to ask why the fuck aren't you?
Where did I say that Trump, Musk and Putin have the "answers to all the world's problems"? I've also been accused of "clinging" to Trump on here. If you could provide relevant quotes, that'd be good.
I'm concerned about things that are actually happening, now, and that the people and institutions I used to trust are either promoting or lying about. Trump is a symptom of the establishment's failure.
Why isn't the system "working well for people"? Why is there an upsurge in support for Trump, AfD, Reform? Why didn't coercing people into silence rather than letting them express obnoxious opinions eradicate racism, sexism and homophobia?
I'm done with being lectured about what 'good' is by people who think it's progressive to lock a woman in a cell with a rapist.
Bad ideas need exposing and challenging, not silencing.
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Why is there an upsurge in support for Trump, AfD, Reform?
Because russian disinfo has done a job on them.
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You never answered properly when I posted about death threats to gay people on social media. Your evasiveness on that matter led me to believe that you thought unfettered free speech was acceptable. When in reality it never has been until now, apparently. You also indicated that you thought that some of the way the media operates somehow was responsible for painting a more negative picture of Trump than he deserved. If I've misinterpreted your previous posts I apologise. That was how it seemed to me at the time. Free speech as an absolute rule should not be allowed to exist. Anyway I am probably to scared and to angry to continue this discussion so I'll let it be. I will finish by saying that collectively the West seems to be intent on throwing the baby out with the bath water. It won't end well.
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Trump's first term as president was bad enough, his second term looks to be much, much worse. >:(
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You never answered properly when I posted about death threats to gay people on social media. Your evasiveness on that matter led me to believe that you thought unfettered free speech was acceptable. When in reality it never has been until now, apparently. You also indicated that you thought that some of the way the media operates somehow was responsible for painting a more negative picture of Trump than he deserved. If I've misinterpreted your previous posts I apologise. That was how it seemed to me at the time. Free speech as an absolute rule should not be allowed to exist. Anyway I am probably to scared and to angry to continue this discussion so I'll let it be. I will finish by saying that collectively the West seems to be intent on throwing the baby out with the bath water. It won't end well.
Apologies for not defining exactly what I meant by the phrase "free speech" when I first used it, but I have clarified, and I did answer. I said that threats and lies can be tackled by laws that do not, in my opinion, impinge on the principles of free speech.
We currently have several laws that do impinge, though, and they haven't protected me from having "Nazi scum off our streets' screamed in my face by a masked man at close quarters (with a policeman standing by, watching), or threatened with being punched in the face because I recognise material reality and have the temerity to say so.
And even so, I don't want those people silenced. I want their aggression and irrationality on display for everyone to see, because their free speech helps my case.
Trump has been lied about by establishment media. They're still doing it. I don't like him, which I've said already, but if you need to lie to make your case, your case is weak. Snopes, not normally considered a fascist-friendly fact checking service:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people/
I agree there is a danger of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. However, I don't think we agree on what constitutes "the baby". I never thought I'd be looking to Toby Young to defend my rights, but the Free Speech Union were a lot more use to me than PCS, the union I'd paid subs to for 37 years. FSU don't ask what your politics are before they defend your rights. When they set up, they didn't expect they'd be acting on behalf of so many left-wing lesbians, for example, but stood, and stand, by their principles.
I'm sorry you're scared and angry. I find these conversations stressful too, but I think they're necessary.
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Because russian disinfo has done a job on them.
Yeah, everyone voting for these groups, and over 59% of those voting in the US presidential election is just dumbly following Russian propaganda. Once again it's people who I might agree with in the general who make arguments about specifics that make me question my own position more.
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Yeah, everyone voting for these groups, and over 59% of those voting in the US presidential election is just dumbly following Russian propaganda. Once again it's people who I might agree with in the general who make arguments about specifics that make me question my own position more.
It's in plain sight. Look to the funding.
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It's in plain sight. Look to the funding.
Yes, everyone who you disagree with is just dumb.
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Yes, everyone who you disagree with is just dumb.
I never said everyone, just enough of them, which is a lot. Too many of them are fucking dumb. As thick as pig shit, so to speak. Only a fuckwit would vote for a rapist and a conman to give them cheaper eggs!
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I never said everyone, just enough of them, which is a lot. Too many of them are fucking dumb. As thick as pig shit, so to speak. Only a fuckwit would vote for a rapist and a conman to give them cheaper eggs!
So it's not Russian propaganda it's the cost of living. And it's pretty well everyone who voted for Trumo who you think is a fuckwit. What a great strategy for winning votes. Meanwhile the zdens wanted to say that men can be women and you think that to vote for that would be the intelligent option?
You deal in simplistic ideas of black and white hats in a world of grey
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Trump sacks the whole board of trustees of John F Kennedy Centre for Performing Arts. And names himself as its new chairman.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cde98jpg72go
Yesterday he informed a wondering world that "Ukraine started the war"
I expected a bumpy ride, but this time the orange blob is exceeding all expectations.
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Trump sacks the whole board of trustees of John F Kennedy Centre for Performing Arts. And names himself as its new chairman.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cde98jpg72go
Yesterday he informed a wondering world that "Ukraine started the war"
I expected a bumpy ride, but this time the orange blob is exceeding all expectations.
When he was elected the first time I posted the following from The Ballad of Booth from Assassins, the Sondheim musical on assassinations and attempted assassinations of US Presidents:
Someone tell the story
Someone sing the song
Every now and then the country
Goes a little wrong
Every now and then a madman's
Bound to come along
Doesn't stop the story
Story's pretty strong
Doesn't change the song.
The lyrics apply in the musical to the assassins but 2016, I saw them as being Trump related. The US sort of resisted much change even with Jan 6th but this time?
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Trump has been lied about by establishment media
I'm not seeing your point here, so has every other politician.
The point is that he quite spectacularly lies himself.
See today's latest effort - Ukraine started the war.
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I'm not seeing your point here, so has every other politician.
The point is that he quite spectacularly lies himself.
See today's latest effort - Ukraine started the war.
I now have Trump and Frank Carson merged in my head where he says shite like this, and then goes 'It's the way I tell 'em'
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Trump is calling Zelensky a dictator! :o Trump is completely off his head! >:(
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Trump is calling Zelensky a dictator! :o Trump is completely off his head! >:(
Trump is a russian asset.
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Trump is calling Zelensky a dictator! :o Trump is completely off his head! >:(
Zelensky questioned him so he is a baddie to Trump. There is also the history of Zelensky not helping Trump undermine Biden in 2019.
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Trump is calling Zelensky a dictator! :o Trump is completely off his head! >:(
There are legitimate questions about the govt in Ukraine and not recognising that just plays into Putin's hand
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Trump is a russian asset.
Bollocks. Drivel like this did as much to get Trump elected as any Russian bots.
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Trump is a russian asset.
That's not how you spell "arsehole".
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Feel the Bern... (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/feb/19/trumpism-bernie-sanders)
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Feel the Bern... (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/feb/19/trumpism-bernie-sanders)
Is supporting women's single sex spaces bigotry?
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Is supporting women's single sex spaces bigotry?
I don't think so, but if Bernie is on the wrong side of that particular issue, He's still a good bloke. No-one's right about everything.
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I don't think so, but if Bernie is on the wrong side of that particular issue, He's still a good bloke. No-one's right about everything.
No one is but then it's an anodyne vacuous statement about bigotry, and I won't vote for some one who is on the wrong side of that because it means they are willing to sacrifice women for an antiscientific antifactual ideology. If you think women shouldn't have same sex spaces, you are to me, by definition not a good bloke.
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Bollocks. Drivel like this did as much to get Trump elected as any Russian bots.
Why is it he sings from the Kremlin hymn sheet, from who started the war to elections in Ukraine, endorsing pro-russia parties in Europe etc? If he's not a russian asset, he's doing a bloody good impression of one.
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boyhood of Donald Trump
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Why is it he sings from the Kremlin hymn sheet, from who started the war to elections in Ukraine, endorsing pro-russia parties in Europe etc? If he's not a russian asset, he's doing a bloody good impression of one.
Because he doesn't care about Ukraine, he cares about the grift
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Because he doesn't care about Ukraine, he cares about the grift
I should think that's the main part of it. After all, Trump had his eye on 50% of Ukraine's considerable mineral resources, and when he put this to Zelensky, Z refused. Had he acquiesced, I think Trump's assessment of the situation would have been very different. But Trump takes any opposition as a personal slight, so petty-minded he is.
On the other hand, he does seem always to have had a sneaking admiration for Putin.
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What?
[quoie]Trump just made an ever bigger war in Europe even more likely.[/quote]
AO,
Given your religious knowledge and that of mankind. How would what Trump is doing not fall outside the other countries in the world and the world since world war 2?
In your comment you referred to a war only involving Europe. The actions of Trump show how he can bend the rules anytime.
We do not believe anyone but Russia are the aggressor. So what if Russia and USA, are trying to force the hand of someone else who has been forcing this issue outside of Russia?
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The emperor Nero lived in a time when transport much further than Europe and the Mediterranean was problematic. Certainly, the Roman army's reach was limited by their lack of technology.
They did not have planes or Mans travel increased in the world at there time. There was boats/ships. But now we have planes and trains as well as cars etc
The bible reveals much more. Wonder how you fathom it all out put together?
Daniel 12:4
“But Daniel, keep this prophecy a secret; seal it up so that it will not be understood until the end times, when travel and education shall be vastly increased!
It is not limited to Europe both travel and education are now vastly increased. Since Christ we are all living in our lives the end times.
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I should think that's the main part of it. After all, Trump had his eye on 50% of Ukraine's considerable mineral resources, and when he put this to Zelensky, Z refused. Had he acquiesced, I think Trump's assessment of the situation would have been very different. But Trump takes any opposition as a personal slight, so petty-minded he is.
On the other hand, he does seem always to have had a sneaking admiration for Putin.
I think Trump's admiration for Putin is quite clear, not sneaking.
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Because he doesn't care about Ukraine, he cares about the grift
Is Ukraine the people or the place? He keeps saying he wants the killing to stop, pointing out that he has seen pictures of the bodies and there are many more than we are being told. It's the people he cares about, first and foremost, then the waste of US dollars.
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Is Ukraine the people or the place? He keeps saying he wants the killing to stop, pointing out that he has seen pictures of the bodies and there are many more than we are being told. It's the people he cares about, first and foremost, then the waste of US dollars.
Trump doesn't care about people, it is his status and how much goes into his pocket that he cares about most.
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Bollocks. Drivel like this did as much to get Trump elected as any Russian bots.
He may not be a Russian asset in the sense of being on Putin's payroll, but he is certainly an asset to Russia.
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They did not have planes or Mans travel increased in the world at there time. There was boats/ships. But now we have planes and trains as well as cars etc
The bible reveals much more. Wonder how you fathom it all out put together?
Daniel 12:4
“But Daniel, keep this prophecy a secret; seal it up so that it will not be understood until the end times, when travel and education shall be vastly increased!
It is not limited to Europe both travel and education are now vastly increased. Since Christ we are all living in our lives the end times.
Nero was the antichrist. Didn't you know?
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[quoie]Trump just made an ever bigger war in Europe even more likely.
AO,
Given your religious knowledge and that of mankind. How would what Trump is doing not fall outside the other countries in the world and the world since world war 2?
In your comment you referred to a war only involving Europe. The actions of Trump show how he can bend the rules anytime.
We do not believe anyone but Russia are the aggressor. So what if Russia and USA, are trying to force the hand of someone else who has been forcing this issue outside of Russia?
I'm not sure what you mean. Be more clear and I'll try to answer the best I can
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Is Ukraine the people or the place? He keeps saying he wants the killing to stop, pointing out that he has seen pictures of the bodies and there are many more than we are being told. It's the people he cares about, first and foremost, then the waste of US dollars.
Disagree. He mentions the people of Ukraine so people will assume he has good intentions/motives. His motives are personal aggrandisement, his admiration of Putin, his dislike of Zeklensky and now it seems the mineral reserves.
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Utterly bizarre
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/19/donald-trump-king-imagery-021013
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Is Ukraine the people or the place? He keeps saying he wants the killing to stop, pointing out that he has seen pictures of the bodies and there are many more than we are being told. It's the people he cares about, first and foremost, then the waste of US dollars.
So the proposed mineral deal was just him caring?
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Bollocks. Drivel like this did as much to get Trump elected as any Russian bots.
https://web.archive.org/web/20250221153932/https://www.thedailybeast.com/former-intelligence-officer-alnur-mussayev-claims-kgb-recruited-donald-trump-under-codename-krasnov/
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https://web.archive.org/web/20250221153932/https://www.thedailybeast.com/former-intelligence-officer-alnur-mussayev-claims-kgb-recruited-donald-trump-under-codename-krasnov/
And they let him be President for one term without calling in the debt? Aye, right
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https://web.archive.org/web/20250221153932/https://www.thedailybeast.com/former-intelligence-officer-alnur-mussayev-claims-kgb-recruited-donald-trump-under-codename-krasnov/
FTA
Mussayev’s allegations, while unfounded...
Sounds like the writer of the article doesn't believe them.
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Interesting story - perhaps all is not so cosy as the egos collide.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/23/elon-musk-tells-us-federal-workers-to-explain-what-they-achieved-last-week-or-be-fired
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Disagree. He mentions the people of Ukraine so people will assume he has good intentions/motives. His motives are personal aggrandisement, his admiration of Putin, his dislike of Zeklensky and now it seems the mineral reserves.
Zelensky has consistently lied in order to get more and more weapons and money. For example, he states that Ukraine has lost (iirc) 45,000 soldiers. Russia estimates that figure to be 900,000. He also suggested that London would be bombed like in WW2 if we didn't give them weapons. So when Trump said Z played the Biden administration like a fiddle, that's what he means. Supposing the real number of casualties is mid-way between the two estimates; does that make it any more believable that Trump cares about them?
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Zelensky has consistently lied in order to get more and more weapons and money. For example, he states that Ukraine has lost (iirc) 45,000 soldiers. Russia estimates that figure to be 900,000. He also suggested that London would be bombed like in WW2 if we didn't give them weapons. So when Trump said Z played the Biden administration like a fiddle, that's what he means. Supposing the real number of casualties is mid-way between the two estimates; does that make it any more believable that Trump cares about them?
No.
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Zelensky has consistently lied in order to get more and more weapons and money. For example, he states that Ukraine has lost (iirc) 45,000 soldiers. Russia estimates that figure to be 900,000. He also suggested that London would be bombed like in WW2 if we didn't give them weapons. So when Trump said Z played the Biden administration like a fiddle, that's what he means. Supposing the real number of casualties is mid-way between the two estimates; does that make it any more believable that Trump cares about them?
Err Russia invaded Ukraine, not the other way around.
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Zelensky has consistently lied in order to get more and more weapons and money. For example, he states that Ukraine has lost (iirc) 45,000 soldiers. Russia estimates that figure to be 900,000. He also suggested that London would be bombed like in WW2 if we didn't give them weapons. So when Trump said Z played the Biden administration like a fiddle, that's what he means. Supposing the real number of casualties is mid-way between the two estimates; does that make it any more believable that Trump cares about them?
It is Putin and Trump who are the liars NOT Zelensky.
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Zelensky has consistently lied in order to get more and more weapons and money. For example, he states that Ukraine has lost (iirc) 45,000 soldiers. Russia estimates that figure to be 900,000. He also suggested that London would be bombed like in WW2 if we didn't give them weapons. So when Trump said Z played the Biden administration like a fiddle, that's what he means. Supposing the real number of casualties is mid-way between the two estimates; does that make it any more believable that Trump cares about them?
How can you tell russia is lying? It speaks. Same goes for the Orange Turd.
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Zelensky has consistently lied in order to get more and more weapons and money.
Let's say, for a moment, that's true - he's leading a nation that faces an existential threat, if he has lied to secure weapons I'm frankly not that upset.
For example, he states that Ukraine has lost (iirc) 45,000 soldiers. Russia estimates that figure to be 900,000.
Most estimates put the RUSSIAN losses at between 800,000 and 1,000,000, and every single observation is that the Russians are chewing through people as a disposable resource, whereas Ukraine are trying their level-best to preserve their own. If Ukraine had lost 800,000 people that would be about 5% of the male population, about 20% of the 'fighting age' men - those sorts of losses would be apparent to the world, and they aren't.
And, of course, again - WHY ARE YOU BELIEVING RUSSIAN PROPOGANDA OUTPUT? How come 'Zelensky lies' is problematic when his country has been invaded (if he has even lied), but Russian lies about the outcomes of their illegal invasion are fair game?
He also suggested that London would be bombed like in WW2 if we didn't give them weapons.
He said that if no-one stood up to Putin that he would continue to expand, and that London could be bombed - that's not a lie, that's an interpretation (and not an invalid one, given Putin's history).
Of course, that was in 2023, about a year after Putin's talking shop was suggesting that, let me check here.... London would be bombed first. telegrafi.com report (https://telegrafi.com/en/aleati-putinit-thote-se-londra-te-bombardohet-e-para-ne-rast-se-nis-lufta-e-trete-boterore/)
So when Trump said Z played the Biden administration like a fiddle, that's what he means.
He means that he made a case, Biden - like the rest of the free world - agreed, and supported him. There's no lie there, there's a case made, a warning about a mutual threat, and a request for assistance in combatting it. You want someone being played like a fiddle, take a look at Trumplethinskin 'negotiating' a peace with a country he's not at war with, without one of the countries that is at war, selling his allies down the river for personal gain.
Supposing the real number of casualties is mid-way between the two estimates; does that make it any more believable that Trump cares about them?
Firstly, if Russia makes up a number and rational reports have an estimated range, the truth is not likely to be half-way between them, it's likely to be within the range that the reliable reporting is suggesting.
Secondly, if Trump says he cares about casualties, you can put that up alongside Putin caring them - he's pitching his betrayal of the Western World for personal 'glory' with his dipshit followers as beneficence and they - and you - are credulous enough to believe it.
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Perhaps there's something in the idea that some countries play politics like their national games e.g. with Russia it's chess, where certain pieces are sacrificed to achieve an end, with USA it's poker where you gamble on having the best hand full of trumps and UK it's cricket with plenty of spin.
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Zelensky has consistently lied in order to get more and more weapons and money.
He's fighting an existential war. Do you understand that? If Ukraine loses, it ceases to exist.
For example, he states that Ukraine has lost (iirc) 45,000 soldiers. Russia estimates that figure to be 900,000.
I'd take Zelensky's word over Putin's any day.
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I'd take Zelensky's word over Putin's any every day.
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"US joins Russia to vote against UN resolution condemning Russia’s war against Ukraine" - of course
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/24/politics/us-joins-russia-ukraine-un-vote
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"US joins Russia to vote against UN resolution condemning Russia’s war against Ukraine" - of course
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/24/politics/us-joins-russia-ukraine-un-vote
Under Trump the USA is now a nation part of the Axis of Evil.
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Under Trump the USA is now a nation part of the Axis of Evil.
The USA now best mates with North Korea, Belarus, Hungary, Sudan and of course Russia, all those states which are the epitome of liberal democracy, free speech and happy, well-nourished citizens with such enviable lifestyles. You couldn't make it up. Where are the voices of the American democrats, or those republicans who haven't completely lost the capacity to reason? I would have expected an absolute outcry of protest, but so far I've only heard a few voices of dissent, at least on the British media. Maybe they're so taken aback at such monumental idiocy they've lost the power to communicate- or do they think Trump has some master plan which those of lesser intellectual powers have not been able to discern yet?
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I should think that's the main part of it. After all, Trump had his eye on 50% of Ukraine's considerable mineral resources, and when he put this to Zelensky, Z refused. Had he acquiesced, I think Trump's assessment of the situation would have been very different. But Trump takes any opposition as a personal slight, so petty-minded he is.
On the other hand, he does seem always to have had a sneaking admiration for Putin.
From what I've heard, zelensky came up with the idea of giving the US some of its mineral wealth, but it was conditional upon the US involvement in Ukraine to which Trump said no. The reason Trump was interested was in order to get back some of the 300 billion it gave Ukraine.
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From what I've heard, zelensky came up with the idea of giving the US some of its mineral wealth, but it was conditional upon the US involvement in Ukraine to which Trump said no. The reason Trump was interested was in order to get back some of the 300 billion it gave Ukraine.
Well, I'm sure most of us heard that story completely the other way round, as is so often the case with matters which you raise, Spud. Btw, Trump is very fond of hyperbole, and his figures are usually wildly inaccurate, as Macron has diplomatically attempted to point out recently. Brownie points to Macron. He still manages to smile apparently genuinely in the presence of the orange bozo. Perhaps he can scarcely contain himself.
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From what I've heard, zelensky came up with the idea of giving the US some of its mineral wealth, but it was conditional upon the US involvement in Ukraine to which Trump said no. The reason Trump was interested was in order to get back some of the 300 billion it gave Ukraine.
Where did you hear that?
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Where did you hear that?
A bloke down the pub said it.
('A bloke down the pub said it?! MUST be true....MUST be true (repeat ad Harry Enfield))
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Where did you hear that?
On the YouTube channel the Duran. At around 4:20 here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdWcQWiOB9g&t=319s).
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On the YouTube channel the Duran. At around 4:20 here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdWcQWiOB9g&t=319s).
One YouTube channel. Great.
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One YouTube channel. Great.
"Zelensky raised the prospect of access to some of the country's mineral wealth last year, when he presented a "victory plan" to Western partners."
From the link in #2183 on the Ukraine thread. Also, Zelensky was shown on the news this evening saying that the mineral deal wouldn't work without US security guarantees.
But the problem with the whole 'deal' thing at the moment is that Ukraine wants all the territory back and NATO membership, and peacekeeping troops, all things Russia will not allow. The West must surely be aware of this.
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"Zelensky raised the prospect of access to some of the country's mineral wealth last year, when he presented a "victory plan" to Western partners."
From the link in #2193 on the Ukraine thread. Also, Zelensky was shown on the news this evening saying that the mineral deal wouldn't work without US security guarantees.
But the problem with the whole 'deal' thing at the moment is that Ukraine wants all the territory back and NATO membership, and peacekeeping troops, all things Russia will not allow. The West must surely be aware of this.
There isn't a #2193 on the Arming the Ukrainians thread. Do you mean another thread or post?
edit - okay, #2183.
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Utterly bizarre
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/donald-trump-posts-weird-ai-video-of-his-gaza-riviera-vision-sparking-outrage-even-among-maga-fans-on-truth-social/ar-AA1zOQHD
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"Zelensky raised the prospect of access to some of the country's mineral wealth last year, when he presented a "victory plan" to Western partners."
From the link in #2193 on the Ukraine thread. Also, Zelensky was shown on the news this evening saying that the mineral deal wouldn't work without US security guarantees.
But the problem with the whole 'deal' thing at the moment is that Ukraine wants all the territory back and NATO membership, and peacekeeping troops, all things Russia will not allow. The West must surely be aware of this.
Yes, the west is aware of what Putin says that he'll accept - the west is also generally aware that reality and Putin's accounts are rarely in alignment. Russia is losing money, people and stability, it's had to rely on North Korean troops and munitions to fight to a stalemate in a war it started. Twice.
The west know what Putin says he'll accept, but that should have been the start point of negotiations - instead, Trump gave him everything he asked for, undermining and undercutting all his purported allies.
'The West' knew. Trump may or may not have known the gap between Putin's bravado and the reality - it's still not entirely clear to me if Trump's genuinely that fucking stupid or that pathologically mendacious, but either way we're now where we are because Trump wants glory and cheap goods, and he'll throw anyone and everyone under any bus he can find to get it. And Putin know this, too, which is why his cyber-warfare units were deployed so aggressively to stir shit up about the Democrats and agitate against the moderate Republicans for the last ten years or so.
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The problem with any condemnation of Trump, is if the war does come to an end with a settlement that the Russians and Ukrainians can accept, then it's better than the we have always been at war with Eastasia approach we were in
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Yes, the west is aware of what Putin says that he'll accept - the west is also generally aware that reality and Putin's accounts are rarely in alignment. Russia is losing money, people and stability, it's had to rely on North Korean troops and munitions to fight to a stalemate in a war it started. Twice.
The west know what Putin says he'll accept, but that should have been the start point of negotiations - instead, Trump gave him everything he asked for, undermining and undercutting all his purported allies.
'The West' knew. Trump may or may not have known the gap between Putin's bravado and the reality - it's still not entirely clear to me if Trump's genuinely that fucking stupid or that pathologically mendacious, but either way we're now where we are because Trump wants glory and cheap goods, and he'll throw anyone and everyone under any bus he can find to get it. And Putin know this, too, which is why his cyber-warfare units were deployed so aggressively to stir shit up about the Democrats and agitate against the moderate Republicans for the last ten years or so.
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Interesting interview on radio 4 this morning with a retired US general. He said the US won't be part of the peace keeping force but he thought it was possible they could provide 'air power' to protect European troops if Russia attacked them.
Problem with that is Russia says no European troops in Ukraine, so no ceasefire or peace agreement, which is more what I was getting at when I said the West must know.
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Interesting interview on radio 4 this morning with a retired US general. He said the US won't be part of the peace keeping force but he thought it was possible they could provide 'air power' to protect European troops if Russia attacked them.
Problem with that is Russia says no European troops in Ukraine, so no ceasefire or peace agreement, which is more what I was getting at when I said the West must know.
Seriously! What would russia do? Sweet FA! Russia would get smoked in no time.
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Seriously! What would russia do? Sweet FA! Russia would get smoked in no time.
While smoking planet earth in response, yes. But the point is there won't be any peace agreement.
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Isn't it so wonderful that the king has given the incontinent orange idiot a personal invitation to visit the UK.
Just imagine the warmth of the welcome that the British public will give as his motorcade glides along the Mall.
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Isn't it so wonderful that the king has given the incontinent orange idiot a personal invitation to visit the UK.
Just imagine the warmth of the welcome that the British public will give as his motorcade glides along the Mall.
He didn't get a great welcome last time. Doesn't seem likely to bother him
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Well that was a complete shitshow
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgddp56570o
I don't know why Starmer or anybody is remotely optimistic about anything involving Donald Tr*mp
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Further proof the Trump administration has completely surrendered to russia.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2er34w0jgdo
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A petition to rescind Donald Trump’s invitation for a second state visit to the UK was launched by the Stop Trump Coalition on Friday and had nearly 100,000 signatures by Monday. Meanwhile, another petition, started by the online campaign group 38Degrees, was nudging towards 150,000, while the Mail on Sunday was demanding exactly the same thing.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/mar/03/no-denying-trumps-true-nature-what-will-it-take-to-stop-another-uk-visit
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/03/ice-german-tourist-detained-immigration
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Trying their best to pull every dictator move possible. It will be statuesnext.
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Trying their best to pull every dictator move possible. It will be statuesnext.
Surely a $3 bill would be a better fit?
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Surely a $3 bill would be a better fit?
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LOL!
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Right of centre magazine cover in France
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Trying their best to pull every dictator move possible. It will be statuesnext.
Nope. A new Tr*mp cocktail is next. It's exactly the same as a Moscow Mule.
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Nope. A new Tr*mp cocktail is next. It's exactly the same as a Moscow Mule.
;D ;D
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NZ High commissioner sacked over remarks about Trump.
New Zealand seems to be rather more to the right than I thought.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.reuters.com/world/new-zealand-sacks-ambassador-uk-after-he-questions-trumps-grasp-history-2025-03-06/&ved=2ahUKEwior-6-pfWLAxWfTkEAHUHBFLIQFnoECCsQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3dZoSe3clfDKfMifcrsOfj
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NZ High commissioner sacked over remarks about Trump.
New Zealand seems to be rather more to the right than I thought.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.reuters.com/world/new-zealand-sacks-ambassador-uk-after-he-questions-trumps-grasp-history-2025-03-06/&ved=2ahUKEwior-6-pfWLAxWfTkEAHUHBFLIQFnoECCsQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3dZoSe3clfDKfMifcrsOfj
Current govt is right of centre.
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Saw an old clip of Trump the other day - one where he was standing, or rather posturing, and nodding with that pompous smug grin on his face.
Reminded me very much of films of Mussolini taken during WW2.
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/03/ice-german-tourist-detained-immigration
What has that got to do with President Trump?
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The turkey that voted for Christmas.
https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/northern-virginia/just-following-hispanic-people-citizen-detained-by-ice-questions-vote-for-trump/3861172/
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An interesting interview with a relative of Vance ...... https://tinyurl.com/3z8yspsp
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Fact or Fiction? https://tinyurl.com/55bcetzb
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“Democracy may die in darkness. It may die in despotism. Under Trump, it’s just as liable to die in dumbness.”
Bret Stephens
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"‘How gratifying’: Cheers in China as Trump dismantles Voice of America"
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/17/china/china-cheers-trump-cut-voice-of-america-intl-hnk/index.html
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"French scientist denied US entry after 'hateful' Trump texts found"
https://www.msn.com/en-za/news/other/french-scientist-denied-us-entry-after-hateful-trump-texts-found/ar-AA1BiIOU
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"French scientist denied US entry after 'hateful' Trump texts found"
https://www.msn.com/en-za/news/other/french-scientist-denied-us-entry-after-hateful-trump-texts-found/ar-AA1BiIOU
fReE sPeEcH!
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'Ursine mammals use arboreal regions for defecatory purposes.'
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2025/mar/22/trump-administration-authoritarianism
The world's oldest continuous democracy is the Isle of Man, whose Tynwald has been gong for about 1,000 years.
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(Well, bears haven't developed flush toilets yet.)
Is it not possible (depending on how you define democracy) that San Marino may dispute this?
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(Well, bears haven't developed flush toilets yet.)
Is it not possible (depending on how you define democracy) that San Marino may dispute this?
The Wikipedia entry for SM suggests so, but this is what WP says about Tynwald:
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As with so much of the Trumo presidency, this feels more like a plot frpm a tv show.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4v3ndg28jo
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As with so much of the Trumo presidency, this feels more like a plot frpm a tv show.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4v3ndg28jo
If anyone was ever in any doubt that we should no longer be sharing intelligence with the Americans, this should end it once and for all.
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If anyone was ever in any doubt that we should no longer be sharing intelligence with the Americans, this should end it once and for all.
I agree whilst that crazy excuse for a human is president.
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If anyone was ever in any doubt that we should no longer be sharing intelligence with the Americans, this should end it once and for all.
Interesting to see how they've started to explain it away. Inevitably, they start by denigrating the journalist who was inadvertently admitted to the group. Totally irrelevant of course. Then they say that no classified material was leaked. I hate to think what is the scope of their 'unclassified' material then, because this sounded some pretty meaty stuff.
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/mar/26/donald-trump-war-on-woke-science-diversity (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/mar/26/donald-trump-war-on-woke-science-diversity)
Tory leader Kemi Badenoch has described diversity initiatives as a “poison”.
These attacks are rooted in wilful distortions of what DEI is all about.
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The stuff coming out of the US government (from Vance the fuckwit) about there being a lack of 'free speech' in the UK seems deranged, with reports today that this has been an issue in trade negotiations.
It seems related to a case in England about someone not adhering to buffer laws around a medical provision centre - reading between the lines, it seems that by 'free speech' they'd like to see more noise arising from Christian organisations, and being taken seriously.
Perhaps the US government don't realise that here, and unlike in the US, abortion isn't such a politically hot potato.
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I see the Tories line is that the 10% tariff is a Brexit benefit. Rather than speaking up on behalf of free trade, one of the aims of many of them, they make idiotic comments like that because they are scared to stand up for what they believe but would rather pusillanimously cheer that the big boy only thumped them once.
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The stuff coming out of the US government (from Vance the fuckwit) about there being a lack of 'free speech' in the UK seems deranged, with reports today that this has been an issue in trade negotiations.
It seems related to a case in England about someone not adhering to buffer laws around a medical provision centre - reading between the lines, it seems that by 'free speech' they'd like to see more noise arising from Christian organisations, and being taken seriously.
Perhaps the US government don't realise that here, and unlike in the US, abortion isn't such a politically hot potato.
If you’re calling middle-aged women who want to talk about their experiences to each other fascists and threatening to punch them in the face, you’ve got free speech in the UK.
Not so much if you don’t toe the establishment line.
Just a few examples:
Sussex University fined £585,000 for suppressing free speech (took long enough and not before they'd driven Dr Stock out of her job)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9vr4vjzgqo
Prosecuted for social media posts - not guilty
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c75zke1l7ylo
Rosie Kay lost her dance company for expressing reasonable views in private
https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/freedom-of-speech-cancel-culture-the-arts-rosie-kay-choreographer-b1136290.html
Officers sent mob-handed to arrest parents in front of children for complaining about school
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9dj1zlvxglo
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I see the Tories line is that the 10% tariff is a Brexit benefit. Rather than speaking up on behalf of free trade, one of the aims of many of them, they make idiotic comments like that because they are scared to stand up for what they believe but would rather pusillanimously cheer that the big boy only thumped them once.
I'm confused now. I thought free trade with countries like the USA was supposed to a Brexit benefit.
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If you’re calling middle-aged women who want to talk about their experiences to each other fascists and threatening to punch them in the face, you’ve got free speech in the UK.
Not so much if you don’t toe the establishment line.
Just a few examples:
Sussex University fined £585,000 for suppressing free speech (took long enough and not before they'd driven Dr Stock out of her job)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9vr4vjzgqo
Prosecuted for social media posts - not guilty
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c75zke1l7ylo
Rosie Kay lost her dance company for expressing reasonable views in private
https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/freedom-of-speech-cancel-culture-the-arts-rosie-kay-choreographer-b1136290.html
Officers sent mob-handed to arrest parents in front of children for complaining about school
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9dj1zlvxglo
The US doesn't really care about it other than a wedge issue and one irrelevant to tariffs
Meanwhile
https://www.politico.eu/article/france-academic-denied-entry-united-states-donald-trump-personal-opinion-messages/
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The US doesn't really care about it other than a wedge issue and one irrelevant to tariffs
Meanwhile
https://www.politico.eu/article/france-academic-denied-entry-united-states-donald-trump-personal-opinion-messages/
I had to ask Grok, as Duck Duck Go gave me pages of headlines about Donald Trump rather than answer my question.
Tariffs applied by the UK to US goods:
Cars: The UK applies a 10% tariff on imported cars from the US. This applies to passenger vehicles and is a significant point of discussion in trade negotiations, especially given the US's recent reciprocal tariff actions.
Steel: Tariffs on steel imports from the US can reach up to 25%, depending on the specific type and form of steel. This rate reflects protective measures for the UK steel industry, though it has been subject to adjustments and quotas in the past to manage trade flows.
Agricultural Products: Tariffs on US agricultural goods vary widely. For example, apples face a 0% tariff, while other products like beef or dairy can see higher rates, often ranging from 10% to over 50%, depending on the product and whether it falls under tariff-rate quotas (TRQs). TRQs allow a certain volume of goods to enter at a reduced or zero rate, with higher tariffs applied beyond that limit.
Alcohol: The UK imposes excise duties on alcoholic beverages, which apply to both domestic and imported products, but imports from the US also face additional customs duties. For instance, beer might not face a high tariff (often 0% under UKGT), but spirits like whiskey could see tariffs around 0-4%, plus VAT and excise duties applied at the point of sale.
So tariffs aren't bad per se?
Re the French academic - it's up to the US who they let into their country. Same in the UK:
UK Border Force "has the power to refuse entry to an individual if it is considered that his or her presence in the UK is not conducive to the public good." (Home Office)
I don't think it's a good thing to restrict entry because someone said something you disagree with, but then, I don't know what the French academic said. I don't believe, as I have explained, that free speech encompases incitement to violence or threats to individuals.
Governments do things I disagree with all the time. Hypocrisy is rife (not just in governments either).
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Even the penguins aren't exempt from Trump's tariffs.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/03/donald-trump-tariffs-antarctica-uninhabited-heard-mcdonald-islands
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I had to ask Grok, as Duck Duck Go gave me pages of headlines about Donald Trump rather than answer my question.
Tariffs applied by the UK to US goods:
Cars: The UK applies a 10% tariff on imported cars from the US. This applies to passenger vehicles and is a significant point of discussion in trade negotiations, especially given the US's recent reciprocal tariff actions.
Steel: Tariffs on steel imports from the US can reach up to 25%, depending on the specific type and form of steel. This rate reflects protective measures for the UK steel industry, though it has been subject to adjustments and quotas in the past to manage trade flows.
Agricultural Products: Tariffs on US agricultural goods vary widely. For example, apples face a 0% tariff, while other products like beef or dairy can see higher rates, often ranging from 10% to over 50%, depending on the product and whether it falls under tariff-rate quotas (TRQs). TRQs allow a certain volume of goods to enter at a reduced or zero rate, with higher tariffs applied beyond that limit.
Alcohol: The UK imposes excise duties on alcoholic beverages, which apply to both domestic and imported products, but imports from the US also face additional customs duties. For instance, beer might not face a high tariff (often 0% under UKGT), but spirits like whiskey could see tariffs around 0-4%, plus VAT and excise duties applied at the point of sale.
So tariffs aren't bad per se?
Re the French academic - it's up to the US who they let into their country. Same in the UK:
UK Border Force "has the power to refuse entry to an individual if it is considered that his or her presence in the UK is not conducive to the public good." (Home Office)
I don't think it's a good thing to restrict entry because someone said something you disagree with, but then, I don't know what the French academic said. I don't believe, as I have explained, that free speech encompases incitement to violence or threats to individuals.
Governments do things I disagree with all the time. Hypocrisy is rife (not just in governments either).
Linking tariffs to free speech particularly when you don't allow it yourself is as you note hypocrisy, and stimuli hypocrisy. Gordon was right to point out the vacuousness of Vance, and Trumo's, position
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Linking tariffs to free speech particularly when you don't allow it yourself is as you note hypocrisy, and stimuli hypocrisy. Gordon was right to point out the vacuousness of Vance, and Trumo's, position
I don't think Trump and Vance's position on free speech has anything to do with actually supporting ... err ... free speech. Seems to me this is driven primarily to protect the major tech companies from having to police the content on their social media and to have a level of responsibility for what is posted (i.e. that they publish).
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I don't think Trump and Vance's position on free speech has anything to do with actually supporting ... err ... free speech. Seems to me this is driven primarily to protect the major tech companies from having to police the content on their social media and to have a level of responsibility for what is posted (i.e. that they publish).
I think that it's just a wedge issue that they use generically. There's nothing the UK govr is doing in terms of social media forms responsibility of any effect.
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I had to ask Grok,
Grok is Elon Musk's AI. You shouldn't touch it.
So tariffs aren't bad per se?
In broad terms, yes they are. The fact that the UK imposes tariffs does not make them good.
Re the French academic - it's up to the US who they let into their country.
Yes, but if you are barring people simply for being critical of your government, it's a huge red flag.
I don't think it's a good thing to restrict entry because someone said something you disagree with, but then, I don't know what the French academic said. I don't believe, as I have explained, that free speech encompases incitement to violence or threats to individuals.
The French academic was critical of the Tr*mp administration's science policy i.e. cutting funds for doing scientific research. There was no incitement to violence or anything remotely like it.
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Grok is Elon Musk's AI. You shouldn't touch it.
In broad terms, yes they are. The fact that the UK imposes tariffs does not make them good.
Yes, but if you are barring people simply for being critical of your government, it's a huge red flag.
The French academic was critical of the Tr*mp administration's science policy i.e. cutting funds for doing scientific research. There was no incitement to violence or anything remotely like it.
I know what Grok is, Jeremy, thank you. Is the information it provided me wrong? Do you have a link to the correct information? And thank you for your advice, I won't be following it.
If what you say is true about what the academic said then I disagree with the decision to bar him from the US. Do you have a link? The sources I found said the contentious messages had not been published.
I'm not in the business of defending hypocrisy. It's been enlightening seeing what the US government has been funding around the world until now. I'm against the US government interfering covertly in other countries' affairs, pushing agendas that are not evident to most voters, including US voters. I'm quite surprised that "the left" now seem outraged that the US government is exposing and putting a stop to the interference.
I think the reason Vance focused on the abortion thing is because it plays well with his own base. It doesn't alter the fact that freedom of expression and association is currently under threat in the UK and EU. I'll not bother providing links to the news stories, since you seem to expect me to take your word for whatever, you can take mine.
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I know what Grok is, Jeremy, thank you. Is the information it provided me wrong? Do you have a link to the correct information? And thank you for your advice, I won't be following it.
If what you say is true about what the academic said then I disagree with the decision to bar him from the US. Do you have a link? The sources I found said the contentious messages had not been published.
I'm not in the business of defending hypocrisy. It's been enlightening seeing what the US government has been funding around the world until now. I'm against the US government interfering covertly in other countries' affairs, pushing agendas that are not evident to most voters, including US voters. I'm quite surprised that "the left" now seem outraged that the US government is exposing and putting a stop to the interference.
I think the reason Vance focused on the abortion thing is because it plays well with his own base. It doesn't alter the fact that freedom of expression and association is currently under threat in the UK and EU. I'll not bother providing links to the news stories, since you seem to expect me to take your word for whatever, you can take mine.
The defunding of USAID means that American soft power has also gone. That has repercussions in the US, whether Americans understand that or not. The US left, and now russia and China enters. Two hostile nations, again, whether Americans understand that or not.
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Has Trump got Alzheimer's?
https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/nicky-woolf-when-fred-trump-lost-his-mind/
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Has Trump got Alzheimer's?
https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/nicky-woolf-when-fred-trump-lost-his-mind/
Trump appears to have some serious mental health issues, and is unfit to be president, imo.
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Has Trump got Alzheimer's?
https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/nicky-woolf-when-fred-trump-lost-his-mind/
There's not really much argument in the article to show that he has.
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So tariffs aren't bad per se?
No, they aren't, but the way Trump has calculated them is, frankly, fucking bonkers and reeks of economic illiteracy.
This is the clearest explanation I can find of his batshit crazy thinking:
https://www.msn.com/en-in/money/economy/do-you-know-how-trump-calculated-reciprocal-tariffs-the-formula-will-leave-you-baffled/ar-AA1CiryJ?ocid=BingNewsSerp
Or for a quick analogy:
"it’s like trying to estimate the top speed of a vehicle by measuring how much fuel there is in the tank." (AAV)
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Perhaps the orange-tinged fuckwit has been channelling his inner Liz Truss.
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Perhaps the orange-tinged fuckwit has been channelling his inner Liz Truss.
Yet another outing for sarcastic young Mr Grace.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cvg52gjwg91t
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The madness of King Donald
https://www.mediamatters.org/laura-loomer/trumps-decision-upend-his-national-security-team-behest-conspiracy-theorist-laura
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