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Religion and Ethics Discussion => Theism and Atheism => Topic started by: Nearly Sane on February 03, 2017, 01:25:22 PM

Title: Idiocies of theodicy
Post by: Nearly Sane on February 03, 2017, 01:25:22 PM

Not the most measured article on the subject but one that arises from a passion

https://aeon.co/ideas/bad-things-happen-for-a-reason-and-other-idiocies-of-theodicy
Title: Re: Idiocies of theodicy
Post by: Walter on February 03, 2017, 02:01:07 PM
Not the most measured article on the subject but one that arises from a passion

https://aeon.co/ideas/bad-things-happen-for-a-reason-and-other-idiocies-of-theodicy
OH ffs  ::)
Title: Re: Idiocies of theodicy
Post by: Udayana on February 03, 2017, 04:06:53 PM
OH ffs  ::)
Spot on there, Walt.
Title: Re: Idiocies of theodicy
Post by: Nearly Sane on February 03, 2017, 05:17:07 PM
OH ffs  ::)
You disagree with the writer?
Title: Re: Idiocies of theodicy
Post by: Étienne d'Angleterre on February 03, 2017, 06:29:33 PM
Don't immediately see what is "ffs" about it.

Am I missing something?

Title: Re: Idiocies of theodicy
Post by: Udayana on February 03, 2017, 07:14:49 PM
We've been over that ground a thousand times and the article doesn't add any new insight or information.

There is no "problem of evil", All his initial premises, "If.., if.. if..." are false or inconsistent, from which nothing useful follows.
Title: Re: Idiocies of theodicy
Post by: Nearly Sane on February 04, 2017, 12:08:22 PM
We've been over that ground a thousand times and the article doesn't add any new insight or information.

There is no "problem of evil", All his initial premises, "If.., if.. if..." are false or inconsistent, from which nothing useful follows.
so you are saying that theodicy isn't an issue? Really?
Title: Re: Idiocies of theodicy
Post by: Udayana on February 04, 2017, 04:39:31 PM
How will you know if you get the right answer? We may as well try and answer one of Dame Slap's questions.
 
"'I don’t know,' said Dame Slap. 'But that doesn't matter. It’s the answers I want. I don’t care what’s in them, so long as you have written answers. I don’t know the answers myself, so it’s no good my reading them.'"
Title: Re: Idiocies of theodicy
Post by: Stranger on February 04, 2017, 05:47:14 PM
How will you know if you get the right answer?

That's hardly the point. The point is that an omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent god is in contradiction to the world we observe - hence it's a problem for those who believe in such a god...
Title: Re: Idiocies of theodicy
Post by: Udayana on February 05, 2017, 09:14:29 AM
That's hardly the point. The point is that an omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent god is in contradiction to the world we observe - hence it's a problem for those who believe in such a god...

It is but, as I suggested earlier, anyone that accepts those characteristics has already blown their logic circuits so further logical or philosophical deliberations are pointless as they cannot reach a sensible conclusion.
Title: Re: Idiocies of theodicy
Post by: Walt Zingmatilder on February 05, 2017, 11:07:14 AM
That's hardly the point. The point is that an omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent god is in contradiction to the world we observe - hence it's a problem for those who believe in such a god...
Omnibenevolence? Is that even in the same category as omnipotence and omniscience?.....and will shoehorning it in not leave the door open for God being an Omnibus as well?
Title: Re: Idiocies of theodicy
Post by: Outrider on February 06, 2017, 02:40:26 PM
Omnibenevolence? Is that even in the same category as omnipotence and omniscience?.....and will shoehorning it in not leave the door open for God being an Omnibus as well?

Omnishambles?

O.