Religion and Ethics Forum
General Category => Politics & Current Affairs => Topic started by: Nearly Sane on February 14, 2017, 06:30:49 PM
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Aye!
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/14/ukip-leader-admits-claim-that-he-lost-close-friends-at-hillsborough-was-false
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Surely not! I'm both shocked and stunned!! (not really).
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Par for the course - and one of the qualifications for leading UKIP, innit?
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C'mon guys - get with the program. That's not a lie - just an alternative fact.
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It now appears that an assistant has accepted responsibility for the alternative fact. Perhaps justifiably, but that then forces one to ask where did she get the information from?
Isn't it convenient when you have underlings who are prepared to fall on their swords for you?
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Aye!
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/14/ukip-leader-admits-claim-that-he-lost-close-friends-at-hillsborough-was-false
Par for the course! >:(
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It now appears that an assistant has accepted responsibility for the alternative fact. Perhaps justifiably, but that then forces one to ask where did she get the information from?
Isn't it convenient when you have underlings who are prepared to fall on their swords for you?
Perhaps from interview given by Paul Nuttall
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-14562573
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What a dick.
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To be fair to him, while he may not have had close friends die at Hillsborough, he did have several killed in the Bowling Green Massacre
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I see that Arron Banks is such to death of hearing about Hillsborough and thinks anyone making political capital out of it is disgusting, that would be Nuttall then
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Of course it is as Floo notes, par for the course
http://uk.businessinsider.com/all-the-times-ukip-has-called-for-nhs-privatisation-nigel-farage-paul-nuttall-2017-2?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=referral
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I thought that Nuttall's website had deleted references to privatizing the NHS. His website must be in tatters, as gone are also references to having a Ph. D. (he doesn't), having lost a close friend at Hillsborough (he didn't), and being a professional footballer, (he was a youth player). Is anyone actually going to vote for this guy?
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There seems to be a fashion for voting for inept liars.
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#askpaulnuttall
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/paul-nuttall-twitter-hillsborough-friends_uk_58a43f05e4b0ab2d2b1abc0f?mk8v58wxaye5amunmi
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Very good, those. "Which of your lies would you like to be true, if you could choose?"
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There seems to be a fashion for voting for inept liars.
That's horribly true. But then Farage had 7 goes at Parliament.
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Actually, if you lot can get passed the fake news, it was his press secretary who wrote it on his website and has now resigned. Nuttall hasn't done anything wrong and never lied on this point.
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Actually, if you lot can get passed the fake news, it was his press secretary who wrote it on his website and has now resigned. Nuttall hasn't done anything wrong and never lied on this point.
I note the 'this pount' so we have the other points and if he didn't lie, I.e. he didn't read what was put on his website under his name as a direct quote, then he's an incompetent idiot.
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#askpaulnuttall
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/paul-nuttall-twitter-hillsborough-friends_uk_58a43f05e4b0ab2d2b1abc0f?mk8v58wxaye5amunmi
Brilliant
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I note the 'this pount' so we have the other points and if he didn't lie, I.e. he didn't read what was put on his website under his name as a direct quote, then he's an incompetent idiot.
Get real, he's a busy man. You have to trust those around you else you end being a one man band which in that game you can't be.
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Get real, he's a busy man. You have to trust those around you else you end being a one man band which in that game you can't be.
Busy getting his Ph.D and playing professional football? If you don't proofread your own press rekeases you are an incompetent twat.
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Get real, he's a busy man. You have to trust those around you else you end being a one man band which in that game you can't be.
Apparently the Hilsborough claim had been on his website since 2012.
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Get real, he's a busy man. You have to trust those around you else you end being a one man band which in that game you can't be.
Which involves competence and judgment in both the person you are trusting and in your own abilities regarding delegation and monitoring.
Anyone seeking elected office and who already has a public profile would ensure they were scrupulous in respect of the accuracy of information about themselves in the public domain - this guy is clearly an incompetent liar given he has been so easily undone by stuff he has no excuse for not knowing about, especially since some of the misinformation was in place for quite some time before he was rumbled.
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http://uk.businessinsider.com/paul-nuttall-claims-about-hillsborough-ukip-stoke-2017-2
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Busy getting his Ph.D and playing professional football? If you don't proofread your own press rekeases you are an incompetent twat.
What are you going on about? The press release came after those.
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Apparently the Hilsborough claim had been on his website since 2012.
Why would he read it? He knows about his life. As I said people have to delegate jobs its part of the process.
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Which involves competence and judgment in both the person you are trusting and in your own abilities regarding delegation and monitoring.
Anyone seeking elected office and who already has a public profile would ensure they were scrupulous in respect of the accuracy of information about themselves in the public domain - this guy is clearly an incompetent liar given he has been so easily undone by stuff he has no excuse for not knowing about, especially since some of the misinformation was in place for quite some time before he was rumbled.
Oh dear, what a load of bluster and hot air. Things like this happen in all parties, it comes with the territory. At least he's not a whinging Scottish Knat!!!
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Give it up JAck. It's clear he said it. There are too many different reports of it. Your just being silly trying to defend the lying Liverpudlian leech.
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Give it up JAck. It's clear he said it. There are too many different reports of it. Your just being silly trying to defend the lying Liverpudlian leech.
His press officer did it!!!
Anyway, it's Stoke that will count.
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What are you going on about? The press release came after those.
The news of the statement, quoting him, on his website, came after it but the quotation from him on his website was before that. He lied about the Ph.D and the professional footballing and either is lying about not knowing about the statement quoting him on his website, or was happy for people to write quotes from him that were untrue and not check what was on his website, making him a liar and an incompetent.
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The news of the statement, quoting him, on his website, came after it but the quotation from him on his website was before that. He lied about the Ph.D and the professional footballing and either is lying about not knowing about the statement quoting him on his website, or was happy for people to write quotes from him that were untrue and not check what was on his website, making him a liar and an incompetent.
I see you are adding to your fake news now, something someone does when they are trying to stir things up, but failing - so they ramp the rhetoric up a notch - and are not tell the truth. If this was as bad as you say then it would be in the headlines of the Fox, CNN BBC and mainstream media, but it's not.
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I see you are adding to your fake news now, something someone does when they are trying to stir things up, but failing - so they ramp the rhetoric up a notch - and are not tell the truth. If this was as bad as you say then it would be in the headlines of the Fox, CNN BBC and mainstream media, but it's not.
what isn't the truth in what I said?
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what isn't the truth in what I said?
It's not my job to prove a negative. It is your job to substantiate your case.
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It's not my job to prove a negative. It is your job to substantiate your case.
You made a statement about not telling the truth. That's a claim. Again, what did I say that wasn't the truth?
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You made a statement about not telling the truth. That's a claim. Again, what did I say that wasn't the truth?
That was my way of saying you need to substantiate your position.
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That was my way of saying you need to substantiate your position.
What position? That Paul Nuttall's personal website had a statement on it that was untrue and was presented as a personal quote from Paul Nutall that was untrue? Well Paul Nuttall has said that but then I can only presume that you have sensibly given Paul Nuttall has lied previously on a number of issues that you think Paul Nuttall is such as liar that you don't trust him.
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What position? That Paul Nuttall's personal website had a statement on it that was untrue and was presented as a personal quote from Paul Nutall that was untrue? Well Paul Nuttall has said that but then I can only presume that you have sensibly given Paul Nuttall has lied previously on a number of issues that you think Paul Nuttall is such as liar that you don't trust him.
His press officer did it and resigned over it!!! Plain and simple.
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His press officer did it and resigned over it!!! Plain and simple.
So we are back to that Paul Nuttall's website had a lie on it, that was a quote from Paul Nuttall, that he was too incompetent to have checked and was happy to have that lie in the website for 4 years because he is so incompetent that he doesn't check what is on his website in his name.
Any closer to identifying anything I have said that is untrue? Or was that just your press officer writing that but you were too incomptent to read it?
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So we are back to that Paul Nuttall's website had a lie on it, that was a quote from Paul Nuttall, that he was too incompetent to have checked and was happy to have that lie in the website for 4 years because he is so incompetent that he doesn't check what is on his website in his name.
Any closer to identifying anything I have said that is untrue? Or was that just your press officer writing that but you were too incomptent to read it?
He's a busy man, why would he bother checking his sites profile?
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He's a busy man, why would he bother checking his sites profile?
why would Paul Nuttall, not a Ph.D, or a professional footballer (both of which he lied about) check what Paul Nuttall's website said that Paul Nuttall said? Oh that would he because when he wasn't getting his Ph.D, and not playing professional football, and not lying about that, that's it is, as Paul Nuttall has said his responsibility for what was on that site. Or do you think that he was lying about it being his responsibility as well?
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why would Paul Nuttall, not a Ph.D, or a professional footballer (both of which he lied about) check what Paul Nuttall's website said that Paul Nuttall said? Oh that would he because when he wasn't getting his Ph.D, and not playing professional football, and not lying about that, that's it is, as Paul Nuttall has said his responsibility for what was on that site. Or do you think that he was lying about it being his responsibility as well?
This is the position and claims you have to substantiate first before we can progress on.
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This is the position and claims you have to substantiate first before we can progress on.
We have already covered that Paul Nuttall's website had a lie on it a direct quote from Paul Nuttall, that Paul Nuttall has said is his responsibility, so is responsible for the lie.
And again for the 3rd time any advance on what you claim I have said that is untrue? Or did a big press officer write that in your name, and run away?
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We have already covered that Paul Nuttall's website had a lie on it a direct quote from Paul Nuttall, that Paul Nuttall has said is his responsibility, so is responsible for the lie.
And again for the 3rd time any advance on what you claim I have said that is untrue? Or did a big press officer write that in your name, and run away?
All I've agreed to is that the profile was wrong and that the press officer did it. Nuttall's responsibility on this does not amount to a lie just an assumption on his part that the PO would have correctly portrayed his life profile. It is up to you to prove your further points on this matter.
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All I've agreed to is that the profile was wrong and that the press officer did it. Nuttall's responsibility on this does not amount to a lie just an assumption on his part that the PO would have correctly portrayed his life profile. It is up to you to prove your further points on this matter.
So if Paul Nuttall is responsible for something, as Paul Nuttall states, lies on Paul Nuttall's website as quotes from Paul Nuttall, are not Paul Nuttall's responsibility? How does that work!
And any chance of you justifying your claim that I haven't been telling the truth about the lies on Paul Nuttall's website as direct quotes from Paul Nuttall that Paul Nuttall says Paul Nuttall is responsible for?
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All I've agreed to is that the profile was wrong and that the press officer did it. Nuttall's responsibility on this does not amount to a lie just an assumption on his part that the PO would have correctly portrayed his life profile. It is up to you to prove your further points on this matter.
You seem to be defending the indefensible now: he got the publicity he deserved, and hopefully the Stoke electorate will take account of his failings.
Give the facts it would reasonable to conclude he is a disingenuous and incompetent idiot.
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So if Paul Nuttall is responsible for something, as Paul Nuttall states, lies on Paul Nuttall's website as quotes from Paul Nuttall, are not Paul Nuttall's responsibility? How does that work!
And any chance of you justifying your claim that I haven't been telling the truth about the lies on Paul Nuttall's website as direct quotes from Paul Nuttall that Paul Nuttall says Paul Nuttall is responsible for?
You're acting as though politicians don't slip up like this ever. It's not as though he's killed anyone or taken a bribe. I have adequately responded to all the other points of your post.
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You seem to be defending the indefensible now: he got the publicity he deserved, and hopefully the Stoke electorate will take account of his failings.
Give the facts it would reasonable to conclude he is a disingenuous and incompetent idiot.
I doubt this will change the outcome of Stoke.
Compared to many other politicians this makes him a saint!!! ;D
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I doubt this will change the outcome of Stoke.
Compared to many other politicians this makes him a saint!!! ;D
Do they have Ph.Ds?
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I doubt this will change the outcome of Stoke.
Compared to many other politicians this makes him a saint!!! ;D
oh and dies he want to privatise the NHS or not?
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Give the facts it would reasonable to conclude he is a disingenuous and incompetent idiot.
He's the leader of UKIP - isn't "disingenuous and incompetent idiot" in the job description?
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You're acting as though politicians don't slip up like this ever. It's not as though he's killed anyone or taken a bribe. I have adequately responded to all the other points of your post.
Ah it's the old tu quoque fallacy dragged out. so he slipped up did he! Was that by being so incompetent to have a lie on his website, quoting himself? Was it claiming to have a PH.D and not having one? Or playing professional football and not? Or claiming to be living in Stoke and not doing so?
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Do they have Ph.Ds?
Only in your fake news world.
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oh and dies he want to privatise the NHS or not?
I can only tell you what UKIP's position on this is.
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He's the leader of UKIP - isn't "disingenuous and incompetent idiot" in the job description?
I'd imagine it is the primary qualification for the job - so he is clearly the ideal chap.
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Ah it's the old tu quoque fallacy dragged out. so he slipped up did he! Was that by being so incompetent to have a lie on his website, quoting himself? Was it claiming to have a PH.D and not having one? Or playing professional football and not? Or claiming to be living in Stoke and not doing so?
You're only doing this because you loathe UKIP and so want to make a mountain out of mole hill.
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Only in your fake news world.
So that would be the Ph.D that was on his linkedin oage that he lied about being his linkedin page?
http://uk.businessinsider.com/paul-nuttall-claims-about-hillsborough-ukip-stoke-2017-2
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You're only doing this because you loathe UKIP and so want to make a mountain out of mole hill.
and that's an ad hominem fallacy.
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So that would be the Ph.D that was on his linkedin oage that he lied about being his linkedin page?
http://uk.businessinsider.com/paul-nuttall-claims-about-hillsborough-ukip-stoke-2017-2
You mustn't believe everything you see and hear, NS.
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I'd imagine it is the primary qualification for the job - so he is clearly the ideal chap.
Maybe the fake PhD he hasn't got is in total incompetency?
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You mustn't believe everything you see and hear, NS.
So when Paul Nuttall lied it was a faked linkedin site, I shouldn't trust him because Paul Nuttall lies.
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You mustn't believe everything you see and hear, NS.
That is certainly the case when it involves Nuttall's personal information, since he has been exposed as a liar: an incompetent liar too since his claims were so easily checked and shown to be false.
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He's the leader of UKIP - isn't "disingenuous and incompetent idiot" in the job description?
Good one! ;D
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His press officer did it and resigned over it!!! Plain and simple.
But this is now a pattern:
Lie appears, often more than one source, Nuttall is found out, underling is thrown under the bus, rince & repeat 3 times now.
This either makes him a compulsive bullshitter or a man with woeful judgement of those he employs
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Another day another Nuttall lie exposed
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/18/paul-nuttall-under-pressure-over-claims-he-served-on-charity-board
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That is certainly the case when it involves Nuttall's personal information, since he has been exposed as a liar: an incompetent liar too since his claims were so easily checked and shown to be false.
I bet the people you vote for have lied in a much bigger way.
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I bet the people you vote for have lied in a much bigger way.
this is you trying your tu quoque again. Good to see that you have accepted he is a lying git though.
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But this is now a pattern:
Lie appears, often more than one source, Nuttall is found out, underling is thrown under the bus, rince & repeat 3 times now.
This either makes him a compulsive bullshitter or a man with woeful judgement of those he employs
And I suppose the people you vote for are all saints are they?
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And I suppose the people you vote for are all saints are they?
and he tries the tu quoque for the 3rd time. House!
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this is you trying your tu quoque again. Good to see that you have accepted he is a lying git though.
No.
And taking the high ground, as you are doing, and hiding the fact about who you vote for looks duplicitous and two faced. One rule for your enemies and another for your friends, NS. Very EU!!!
So who have you voted for?
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and he tries the tu quoque for the 3rd time. House!
That is not tu quoque. How sad you are resorting to ad hominem now!!!
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No.
And taking the high ground, as you are doing, and hiding the fact about who you vote for looks duplicitous and two faced. One rule for your enemies and another for your friends, NS. Very EU!!!
So who have you voted for?
Well that"s a strawman, I haven't specified any such rule as you refer to here, and irrelevant to your use of the tu quoque fallacy which makes your current little outburst irrelevant to the case of the lies on Paul Nuttall's personal website and linkedin profile.
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That is not tu quoque. How sad you are resorting to ad hominem now!!!
ERM it is precisely a tu quoque in that you are attempting to excuse the Paul Nuttall lies by talking about others. That others may or may not have lied is irrelevant to whether the Paul Nuttall lies are an issue.
Also there isn't an ad hominem in me pointing out that you are using a fallacy.
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Well that"s a strawman, I haven't specified any such rule as you refer to here, and irrelevant to your use of the tu quoque fallacy which makes your current little outburst irrelevant to the case of the lies on Paul Nuttall's personal website and linkedin profile.
You're now just typing gibberish.
Your seeing things, there is no mountain there just a mole hill!!!
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ERM it is precisely a tu quoque in that you are attempting to excuse the Paul Nuttall lies by talking about others. That others may or may not have lied is irrelevant to whether the Paul Nuttall lies are an issue.
Also there isn't an ad hominem in me pointing out that you are using a fallacy.
That is not a tu quoque.
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You're now just typing gibberish.
Your seeing things, there is no mountain there just a mole hill!!!
if you think lying consistently and frequently is OK then it will be a molehill to you.
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That is not a tu quoque.
Is this panto season still? We could just go down the whole 'oh, yes it is' 'oh no,it isn't' routine but I'd prefer to do as I did and explain why I think it's a tu quoque. Do you have a reason for why, given my own colanation, you think it isn't?
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if you think lying consistently and frequently is OK then it will be a molehill to you.
You shouldn't believe everything you see and hear. There is fake news out there.
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Is this panto season still? We could just go down the whole 'oh, yes it is' 'oh no,it isn't' routine but I'd prefer to do as I did and explain why I think it's a tu quoque. Do you have a reason for why, given my own colanation, you think it isn't?
Read Wiki on it.
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You shouldn't believe everything you see and hear. There is fake news out there.
I don't. That's another strawman.
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You shouldn't believe everything you see and hear. There is fake news out there.
Except of course Nuttall has admitted they weren't true.
Please explain how the "fake news" jibe is relevant here
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Read Wiki on it.
I read it. There was no argument from Jack Knave on it about why my explanation was wrong. Maybe someone deleted your edit? That would be sad!
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I don't. That's another strawman.
That's not a straw man.
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Except of course Nuttall has admitted they weren't true.
Please explain how the "fake news" jibe is relevant here
Because you lot are just coming out with assertions.
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That's not a straw man.
Since it's stating a position that isn't mine and attributing it to ke it is a strawman. Again if you want to appear in panto, then I will support your ambition but not by indulging in an exchange where you won't actually engage.
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Because you lot are just coming out with assertions.
Facts aren't assertions though: since the details have been established. A perceptive person would have quietly sorted this long since - but he doesn't qualify on that attribute, plus he lied.
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Because you lot are just coming out with assertions.
Congratulations!!! You have a new record in condensed irony on the board! You have taken the title from Vlad, generally regarded as the best ever posting ironically wrong posts in the t'interwebsphere.
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And here's Farage lying and trying to shift some blame onto those who lost family members at Hillsborough for Nuttall's lies
https://skwawkbox.org/2017/02/17/exclusive-hillsborough-groups-tried-to-join-us-nuttall-has-never-been-in-touch/
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UKIP continue to manage the situation effectively - or not!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-39025522
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And again
http://www.irishnews.com/magazine/2017/02/19/news/ukip-awkwardly-tweeted-a-photo-praising-the-supporters-in-stoke-but-they-were-in-bolton-937056/
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Obviously, it's happened to all of us at one time or another. There you are decrying the fall in standards in public and blaming foreigners for not understanding our British Ways, when you find you need a wee...
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2017/feb/20/ukip-canvasser-caught-urinating-on-voters-stoke-on-trent-property-in-stoke-on-trent-video
UKIP, not just taking the piss, but giving it as well.
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Obviously, it's happened to all of us at one time or another. There you are decrying the fall in standards in public and blaming foreigners for not understanding our British Ways, when you find you need a wee...
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2017/feb/20/ukip-canvasser-caught-urinating-on-voters-stoke-on-trent-property-in-stoke-on-trent-video
UKIP, not just taking the piss, but giving it as well.
To paraphrase the Bay City Rollers
'You've got to give a little piss take a little piss
Be prepared to forsake a little piss
And when the piss comes shining through
We'll know when to poo'
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Since it's stating a position that isn't mine and attributing it to ke it is a strawman. Again if you want to appear in panto, then I will support your ambition but not by indulging in an exchange where you won't actually engage.
"He's behind you!!!"
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Facts aren't assertions though: since the details have been established. A perceptive person would have quietly sorted this long since - but he doesn't qualify on that attribute, plus he lied.
They have not been established, especially the ones over egged, they are only gossip and hyperbole in the media.
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Congratulations!!! You have a new record in condensed irony on the board! You have taken the title from Vlad, generally regarded as the best ever posting ironically wrong posts in the t'interwebsphere.
You're just a sore loser, so you have to resort to this verbiage.
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They have not been established, especially the ones over egged, they are only gossip and hyperbole in the media.
So, was the Ph.D claim a clear lie or not?
After all it is a very specific claim: something you definitely know you've genuinely got in view of the specific elements in the process that is involved.
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So, was the Ph.D claim a clear lie or not?
After all it is a very specific claim: something you definitely know you've genuinely got in view of the specific elements in the process that is involved.
At the time of you posting of your post, that I replied to, it was still gossip in the media. I haven't heard Nuttall say it is all a lie but two more local UKIP people in Liverpool have resigned over this following the press officer and so it seems that the issues at hand are gathering some validity.
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At the time of you posting of your post, that I replied to, it was still gossip in the media. I haven't heard Nuttall say it is all a lie but two more local UKIP people in Liverpool have resigned over this following the press officer and so it seems that the issues at hand are gathering some validity.
yep, the people in Liverpool resigned because of what Nuttall and Banks said. Why are you lying about the being somehow responsible in your post? Are you Paul Nuttall, liar?
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You're just a sore loser, so you have to resort to this verbiage.
Aw, isn't he cute with his tiny insults, tiny baby diddums, tiny little punchy fists.
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yep, the people in Liverpool resigned because of what Nuttall and Banks said. Why are you lying about the being somehow responsible in your post? Are you Paul Nuttall, liar?
That is what I understand to be the case. They were complicit in some manner and so fell on their swords. It is a local issue in Liverpool. If they resigned because of what is claimed to have happened and their disgust in it then we would be seeing this all over the country, but it is a Liverpool local issue and so confined to that local UKIP group.
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At the time of you posting of your post, that I replied to, it was still gossip in the media. I haven't heard Nuttall say it is all a lie but two more local UKIP people in Liverpool have resigned over this following the press officer and so it seems that the issues at hand are gathering some validity.
Yet the spurious Ph.D claim was exposed prior to these resignations today so I don't see the relevance of these resignations in the your apparent about face this evening.
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That is what I understand to be the case. They were complicit in some manner and so fell on their swords. It is a local issue in Liverpool. If they resigned because of what is claimed to have happened and their disgust in it then we would be seeing this all over the country, but it is a Liverpool local issue and so confined to that local UKIP group.
Then you are wrong. That's what they say! It's already linked to on the thread. Anything from you? Are do you just want to lie like Paul Nuttall's lies! And see below!
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/20/merseyside-ukip-officials-quit-paul-nuttall-hillsborough-controversy
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Then you are wrong. That's what they say! It's already linked to on the thread. Anything from you? Are do you just want to lie like Paul Nuttall's lies! And see below!
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/20/merseyside-ukip-officials-quit-paul-nuttall-hillsborough-controversy
So they are admitting that they made the false claims not Nuttall? And their reasons for resigning. Fine, if that is how it spans out but I haven't heard that particular clarification.
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So they are admitting that they made the false claims not Nuttall? And their reasons for resigning. Fine, if that is how it spans out but I haven't heard that particular clarification.
No, that isn't what was said. As per the link. Stop lying.
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No, that isn't what was said. As per the link. Stop lying.
The link proves nothing. I'll wait until I get it from the "horses" mouth.
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The link proves nothing. I'll wait until I get it from the "horses" mouth.
is that Nige is the horse? So anytime you have ever mentioned what he thinks, that he hasn't posted, you think it was worthless?
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is that Nige is the horse? So anytime you have ever mentioned what he thinks, that he hasn't posted, you think it was worthless?
And you were telling me to write clearly! ::)
You reason has left you mate who mentioned anything being worthless.
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And you were telling me to write clearly! ::)
You reason has left you mate who mentioned anything being worthless.
Commas. Bit difficult for someone who supports liars?
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Commas. Bit difficult for someone who supports liars?
If you need them for such a small post as that then you need to learn to read as well.
If this sentence has been too long for you then call helpline......
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If you need them for such a small post as that then you need to learn to read as well.
If this sentence has been too long for you then call helpline......
Did say I needed them? Aw, lying like your hero? How sad!
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Did say I needed them? Aw, lying like your hero? How sad!
Still need writing lessons.
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Still need writing lessons.
If so, maybe from someone that understood commas?
Anyway, how's the thinking lying is OK?
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If so, maybe from someone that understood commas?
What language do they speak?
Anyway, how's the thinking lying is OK?
Your English is still poor, there should be a 'that' in there.
Anyway, never said it was.
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What language do they speak?
Your English is still poor, there should be a 'that' in there.
Anyway, never said it was.
You don't think that Paul Nuttall lying on Paul Nuttall's website is a problem. So, yes, you did say that.
In the context, the 'that', is extraneous.
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You don't think that Paul Nuttall lying on Paul Nuttall's website is a problem. So, yes, you did say that.
In the context, the 'that', is extraneous.
You haven't shown that Nuttall lied. Some information on line about him was wrong but that wasn't created by him. I'll wait and see how this pans out before I make a judgement on it. The media have been like you on this, all froth and no substance, so I can't get a clear idea of what actually happened.
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You haven't shown that Nuttall lied. Some information on line about him was wrong but that wasn't created by him. I'll wait and see how this pans out before I make a judgement on it. The media have been like you on this, all froth and no substance, so I can't get a clear idea of what actually happened.
Do you not think the pattern is telling?
An untruth is on his website/LinkedIn etc, lie is found out, underling gets thrown under the bus to save Nuttall's blushes.
Even if the official UKIP version is true, would you want such a careless man as your MP?
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Do you not think the pattern is telling?
An untruth is on his website/LinkedIn etc, lie is found out, underling gets thrown under the bus to save Nuttall's blushes.
Even if the official UKIP version is true, would you want such a careless man as your MP?
You're a real pro at that fake new, Quizzy!
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You're a real pro at that fake new, Quizzy!
what is 'fake' about Quzzimodo's post?
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You're a real pro at that fake new, Quizzy!
What's fake since I've reiterated the UKIP take on it?
Unless of course you also now think the UKIP/Nuttall version is bullshit
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What's fake since I've reiterated the UKIP take on it?
Unless of course you also now think the UKIP/Nuttall version is bullshit
That ignores what he posted which covers the case of UKIP's clasims being true (which still doesn't explain why Nuttall claimed wrongly that the linkedin profile/HIS, Paul Nuttall's profile was a fake when it is an wasn't). It also then pulls this whole lie as put about by Farage, that Nuttall is stopped from joining Hillsborough family groups.
Further while we are discussing this, you presented the lies about Nuttall as being 'on line'. While true that seems to to me to undersell the fact that theywere on his personal website and profile. Do you disagree or is 'on line' the same for you as 'on personal website and profile'?
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http://newsthump.com/2017/02/24/paul-nuttall-denies-ever-standing-in-a-stoke-by-election/
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what is 'fake' about Quzzimodo's post?
It's all essentially assertion or overstating the situation i.e. spin.
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It's all essentially assertion or overstating the situation i.e. spin.
where?
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where?
You're made my point. My little daffodil.
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You're made my point. My little daffodil.
aww imitation, how flattering. Evasion, howboring!!!
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aww imitation, how flattering. Evasion, howboring!!!
Then you must be flattered by yourself and also bored with yourself!