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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Rhiannon on April 04, 2017, 11:57:28 AM
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39487307
You couldn't make it up.
Cadbury was a Quaker. They don't do Easter.
The NT site has loads of references to Easter, it's just that they have a marketing agreement with Cadbury who position their eggs as 'Cadbury Eggs' .
'Cadbury Creme Eggs' (an abomination before the Lord and everyone besides but that's another story) have been around for years - this marketing thingy just drops the 'creme' as it applies to plain chocolate eggs too.
I don't really remember the sacramental significance of cheap chocolate ovoids from my days as a believer. Still, the church fancies looking ridiculous once again, with the help of Mrs May.
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It is all a bit silly.
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No, it's deadly serious. I mean the way things are going, you'll soon need a microscope to see the blasted things - the great shrinking egg scandal. Oh - you mean dropping 'Easter' from the telly ad? Nah - not bothered, really.
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Aren't they sold all the year round anyway?
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Aren't they sold all the year round anyway?
Some are, some aren't I think.
Cadbury chocolate is horrible. I'd rather go on an Easter gruel hunt.
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http://newsthump.com/2017/04/04/theresa-may-furious-about-easter-eggs-while-visiting-country-where-blasphemers-are-beheaded/
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'Cadbury Creme Eggs' (an abomination before the Lord and everyone besides but that's another story) have been around for years
Nothing wrong with Cadbury's Creme Eggs. I used to love those as a kid.
Sweets. Don't make em like they used to. Buying penny sweets for a pound from the corner shop. 25 Refreshers and 50 fizzy cola bottles in a paper bag. Stuffing a few extra sweets in your pockets while the shopkeeper wasn't looking.
I'm reminiscing....
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Some are, some aren't I think.
Cadbury chocolate is horrible. I'd rather go on an Easter gruel hunt.
I like Cadbury's chocolate better than any other make.
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I like Cadbury's chocolate better than any other make.
I'm a chocolate snob. Green and Black's or Lindt Hazelnut.
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I'm a chocolate snob. Green and Black's or Lindt Hazelnut.
My husband and middle daughter enjoy Green and Blacks.
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It is very funny. I blame the EU - they hate the English, and they're all Muslims and Jews anyway, so they're trying to spoil Easter for us out of PLICKLE KERREKNESS. Say no to the EU, and yes, to English Easter eggs, with a St George's cross on them.
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It is very funny. I blame the EU - they hate the English, and they're all Muslims and Jews anyway, so they're trying to spoil Easter for us out of PLICKLE KERREKNESS. Say no to the EU, and yes, to English Easter eggs, with a St George's cross on them.
I hope you are joking?
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FTR on Easter Sunday we eat hard boiled eggs, which have been painted red with a white cross painted over the red(obviously we use water colour paint, not emulsion). This is purely a tradition, if anybody wants a NT reference they will be disappointed.
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Obviously when you are in Saudi Arabia trying to sell arms to kill people, the religious persecution that comes to mind is this. Moronic, and at the same time vile.
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It is all a bit silly.
Indeed. Because:
1. Easter is named after a pagan goddess of spring and the derivation of the name has nothing whatsoever to do with the death and purported resurrection of Jesus.
2. Cadbury was a Quaker and wouldn't have celebrated Easter as a Christian festival.
3. The world moves on - most people enjoy Easter, but do so as a celebration of Spring and Easter eggs, notion of Easter bunnies etc is simply a reflection of the obviousness in northern Europe of the relevance of the festival to spring, while its reliance to a specific religion belief is for a tiny minority (not dismissing the strength of their convictions, merely pointing out that they are perhaps 5% of the population.
4. Commercial and marketing opportunities are a big deal for commercial organisations (Cadbury's) and third sector organisations (the National Trust).
Nothing to see here, move along please, and (to Semtamu et al) develop a sense of perspective and reality.
Noting too that May waded in on the latest faux 'christian persecution' outrage while bigging up a country that really does persecution on the basis of belief, and most notably non belief, namely Saudi Arabia.
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I'd have thought that a senior Cof E cleric highlighting the eggs aspect of this holiday as he did, given its pagan origins, is a prime example of feet-shooting. I'd imagine most Christians know that, and just like the mid-winter festival that shall not be named so early in the calendar year, Easter isn't exclusively theirs.
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I'd have thought that a senior Cof E cleric highlighting the eggs aspect of this holiday as he did, given its pagan origins, is a prime example of feet-shooting. I'd imagine most Christians know that, and just like the mid-winter festival that shall not be named so early in the calendar year, Easter isn't exclusively theirs.
Indeed - at least they re-named Christmas to give it a name with Christian origins. For Easter they retained a name that has everything to do with its pagan spring origins and absolutely zero to do with the Christian meaning of Easter.
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Eggs were definitely a pagan fertility symbol, although they have also been a Christian representation of the resurrection for well over a thousand years. Chocolate eggs made by Cadbury though? Hardly.
As an aside, the origins of the Easter bunny are obscure too, although I think they are Germanic. One theory is that in the past people knew that hares nested on the ground and they also found nests with the eggs of ground-nesting birds in the fields, and they decided that hares laid eggs, although personally I think people then were too connected to nature to believe that. One thing that is almost certain though is that there was never a belief that a goddess called Eostre had the hare as her sacred animal, lovely though the idea is. In fact the evidence for a belief in Eostre herself is shaky, although not disproven. I tend to use the term Ostara for the spring equinox.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ēostre
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I'm surprised at Sentamu, who is usually one of the CofE's good eggs. (sorry) He can't complain about others not bothering to understand his beliefs when he hasn't bothered to get to grips with the basics of Quakerism.
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I too was surprised Rhiannon & I like Sentamu. However the Quakers, though they don't or didn't celebrate Easter or CHristmas, knew that other Christian groups did and were not judgemental about them. The Society of Friends were persecuted in their early days and have never disparaged any other beliefs. They are the most accepting people and if a particular belief was important to fellow Christians, they respected that. So he may be right (though, like you, I think it most likely he hadn't checked up on Quaker traditions).
Theresa May was probably asked for comment aobut the Easter egg business & gave her opinion. She is a vicar's daughter and a patron of the National Trust so would be one of the first to be asked.
Regarding her going to Saudi, don't they all do that? Even the Obamas did. Unless we officially break off relations and impose sanctions our Prime Minister has to maintain diplomatic relations. She didn't cover her hair and said she wanted Saudi women to see that a woman can achieve and reach high position. I'm not defending going to Saudi,personally would hate to go there! But I think she had no choice,especially as other politicians(from all over the world), prominent business people & royals keep on cordial terms with the Saudis.
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I looked in the supermarket, and a lot of Easter eggs didn't say 'Easter' at all, but stuff like 'chocolate eggs'. I guess that a lot of kids just want chocolate, and Easter is a distraction.
I can see why Mrs May got into this, as she is probably trying to distract people from Brexit and other stuff, but why Sentamu? Is he now going to admonish Lindt for making a Gold Milk Chocolate Bunny without talking about the life, death and resurrection of Christ? I don't get it.
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I looked in the supermarket, and a lot of Easter eggs didn't say 'Easter' at all, but stuff like 'chocolate eggs'. I guess that a lot of kids just want chocolate, and Easter is a distraction.
I think the point is is that traditions don't die out fast unless helped on their way.
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I'm not sure why chocolate manufacturers are supposed to be helping Christianity.
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They aren't really but in my lifetime, kids have always had chocolate eggs at Easter. I remember little ones being given out in church at Easter!
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They aren't really but in my lifetime, kids have always had chocolate eggs at Easter. I remember little ones being given out in church at Easter!
Sure, but Sentamu seems to be objecting that a chocolate firm hasn't got 'Easter' on its publicity material. In fact, it does, but I was just saying that many firms sell 'chocolate eggs'. Maybe Sentamu has a hit-list of them, and he is working his way through them. I suppose if you want to look ridiculous, it's your right.
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He was probably asked for his opinion and replied without thinking it out properly. One of the hazards of being a high profile person. Let's faceit, no-one asked me or you and I doubt we care anyway. I've long thought Easter was a hgihly commercialised festival but I accept it, give & receive cards, eggs and flowers on Easter day (not in advance). Christian Easter is different even though eggs are still given out in most churches.
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if anybody wants a NT reference they will be disappointed.
What about all that stuff about the resureggtion?
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4. Commercial and marketing opportunities are a big deal for commercial organisations (Cadbury's) and third sector organisations (the National Trust).
Yes and the marketing people at the NT and Cadbury's probably can't believe their luck. They must think Christmas has come early.
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Indeed - at least they re-named Christmas to give it a name with Christian origins. For Easter they retained a name that has everything to do with its pagan spring origins and absolutely zero to do with the Christian meaning of Easter.
No. What they did (in Britain at least) is apply a pagan name to a Christian festival. Possibly, "Easter" is derived from the name of the Saxon month it usually fell in.
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Nothing wrong with Cadbury's Creme Eggs. I used to love those as a kid.
Sweets. Don't make em like they used to. Buying penny sweets for a pound from the corner shop. 25 Refreshers and 50 fizzy cola bottles in a paper bag. Stuffing a few extra sweets in your pockets while the shopkeeper wasn't looking.
I'm reminiscing....
They used to be ok, but they changed them and now they are disgusting.
There used to be lots of thick hard chocolate that you bit through to get to the inside, now they are not like that anymore.
The chocolate isn't the same, it's rich and mushy, they ruined them.
The last one I had was disgusting, the rest we shot with an air rifle, for target practice.
I Never buy them now, they ruined them.
Some American took over Cadbury apparently and changed it for cheaper chocolate but reckons the drop in sales isn't down to the change, but it is.
Now they are just nasty, the chocolate isn't hard and thick like it used to be.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/retailandconsumer/12094209/Cadbury-loses-more-than-6m-in-Creme-Egg-sales-after-changing-recipe.html
Suggest you save your money, they are no longer the eggs of your childhood.
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Oh well. You can't get them over here anway. I don't really eat much sweets nowadays, exceot the ocassional fizzy sour ones.
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It could be any other vicars daughters might rebel and paint the town red, but not Theresa May. She gets shocked because 'Easter' isn't mentioned on a poster.
Tea vicar? lol I can just imagine her in meetings
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No. What they did (in Britain at least) is apply a pagan name to a Christian festival. Possibly, "Easter" is derived from the name of the Saxon month it usually fell in.
And why was that month so named - because it is spring time and therefore it was appropriate to associate with a pagan spring goddess. Bit like many of our days of the week, which are also derived from the name of ancient deities.
The point is that the word 'Easter' has nothing to do with the Christian story of death and purported resurrection of Jesus. And interesting to note that this is a peculiarly english language thing, as in most other language the word for Christian celebration is a derivation of passion.
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More assiduous research on Easter eggs. We went in Waitrose, and could only find two eggs with Easter on the packaging, and one of those was 'Malteaster', a naff pun. However, on the bright side, there is a Gin and Tonic Truffle Easter Egg, which has the benefit of the name, and the gin and tonic. Sold out in some shops however.
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More assiduous research on Easter eggs. We went in Waitrose, and could only find two eggs with Easter on the packaging, and one of those was 'Malteaster', a naff pun. However, on the bright side, there is a Gin and Tonic Truffle Easter Egg, which has the benefit of the name, and the gin and tonic. Sold out in some shops however.
The assiduous research must include the consumption of said G&T egg, right?
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The assiduous research must include the consumption of said G&T egg, right?
Yuck!
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It could be any other vicars daughters might rebel and paint the town red, but not Theresa May. She gets shocked because 'Easter' isn't mentioned on a poster.
Tea vicar? lol I can just imagine her in meetings
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What is it with her continually reminding us of that? I didn't even know it before she became PM.
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More assiduous research on Easter eggs. We went in Waitrose, and could only find two eggs with Easter on the packaging, and one of those was 'Malteaster', a naff pun. However, on the bright side, there is a Gin and Tonic Truffle Easter Egg, which has the benefit of the name, and the gin and tonic. Sold out in some shops however.
If I wanted an Easter egg, which I don't, that would do the job (unless there is one involving Laphroaig).
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And why was that month so named - because it is spring time and therefore it was appropriate to associate with a pagan spring goddess. Bit like many of our days of the week, which are also derived from the name of ancient deities.
But the only thing the Christian festival has to do with it is that it fell in the month with the same name.
The point is that the word 'Easter' has nothing to do with the Christian story of death and purported resurrection of Jesus.
And it's a good point. The church should be campaigning to rename Easter to something else.
And interesting to note that this is a peculiarly english language thing, as in most other language the word for Christian celebration is a derivation of passion.
Actually they derive from "Pesach" which is the Jewish festival more com only known in English as Passover.
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on the bright side, there is a Gin and Tonic Truffle Easter Egg, which has the benefit of the name, and the gin and tonic.
OMG. I must get one of those!!!!
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If I wanted an Easter egg, which I don't, that would do the job (unless there is one involving Laphroaig).
Not an easter egg but I did find a single malt advent calendar on Amazon.
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But the only thing the Christian festival has to do with it is that it fell in the month with the same name.
And it's a good point. The church should be campaigning to rename Easter to something else.
And that is the point - the name has nothing whatsoever to do with the death and purported resurrection of Jesus, and whether or not just named after the month, or alternatively appropriation of an earlier pagan festival (both plausible), the name's origins are clearly linked to a pagan spring goddess. Hence the grave hypocrisy at complaining when people celebrate Easter as a non-christian spring celebration that they aren't recognising the 'true meaning of Easter' - perhaps ignorance rather than hypocrisy.
Actually they derive from "Pesach" which is the Jewish festival more com only known in English as Passover.
Point taken - but none of the varying terms in other languages are linked in origin to the word Easter.
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I bought the Easter Eggs at the supermarket this morning for our grandchildren, who live nearest us, and our DS son. I am glad I did that today and not waited until next week as the supplies were very low indeed.
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I bought the Easter Eggs at the supermarket this morning for our grandchildren, who live nearest us, and our DS son. I am glad I did that today and not waited until next week as the supplies were very low indeed.
Your supermarket only gets one delivery of Easter Eggs? :(
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If I wanted an Easter egg, which I don't, that would do the job (unless there is one involving Laphroaig).
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Buy the Laphroaig*.
Envision an imaginary egg.
Ditch said egg.
Drink.
Stuff Cadbury's.
* - or Lagavulin.
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Your supermarket only gets one delivery of Easter Eggs? :(
The large Tesco store, where I do my shopping, hasn't stocked up since last week, also they have moved the ones that are left to a small group of shelves. Therefore it doesn't look as if they are taking anymore deliveries. The eggs were put out on Boxing Day, so they will probably be getting the Christmas goods in as soon as Easter is over! ::)
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If I wanted an Easter egg, which I don't, that would do the job (unless there is one involving Laphroaig).
Couldn't find a egg but you can get ice cream
https://www.ocado.com/webshop/product/Judes-Laphroaig-Hot-Toddy-Ice-Cream/343252011?dnr=y
Who needs Easter eggs?
https://food52.com/recipes/18932-laphroaig-chocolate-cupcakes-with-pecan-praline-and-vanilla-buttercream
There are lots of things you can make with Laphroaig. You can also just drink it 😁
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Couldn't find a egg but you can get ice cream
https://www.ocado.com/webshop/product/Judes-Laphroaig-Hot-Toddy-Ice-Cream/343252011?dnr=y
Who needs Easter eggs?
https://food52.com/recipes/18932-laphroaig-chocolate-cupcakes-with-pecan-praline-and-vanilla-buttercream
There are lots of things you can make with Laphroaig. You can also just drink it 😁
Think I'll stick to drinking it as nature intended (since doing this other stuff with decent malt whisky seems like drawing a moustache on the Mona Lisa). I think now would be a good time to put my plan into effect.
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Think I'll stick to drinking it as nature intended (since doing this other stuff with decent malt whisky seems like drawing a moustache on the Mona Lisa). I think now would be a good time to put my plan into effect.
😁🌹
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Couldn't find a egg but you can get ice cream
https://www.ocado.com/webshop/product/Judes-Laphroaig-Hot-Toddy-Ice-Cream/343252011?dnr=y
Who needs Easter eggs?
https://food52.com/recipes/18932-laphroaig-chocolate-cupcakes-with-pecan-praline-and-vanilla-buttercream
There are lots of things you can make with Laphroaig. You can also just drink it 😁
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Doing anything with a single malt whisky other than drinking it is blasphemy and should be condemned.
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Naughty Newsthump.
http://newsthump.com/2017/04/15/cadbury-respond-to-recent-criticism-with-launch-of-limited-edition-crucifixion-freddo/
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We already have hot cross buns!
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It appears the 'offense' is that not using the word 'easter' has left the national trust with egg all over it's face. LOL
It is quite a bad Jyoke when you think about it. So nothing that will crack us up laughing and nothing but
a chocolate farce.
Cadbury was a religious man and eggs are about easter except for Sunday breakfast. Someone seems to be poaching Eggs away from Easter. Or is it Easter being left with an egg?
We celebrate Easter and the Egg is new life... Why don't they be a good egg and leave Easter as it is?
A Christian tradition which does not require changing for the egg sinkers of the world.
What do you get if you poor boiling water down a rabbit hole?
Hot cross bunnies..
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It appears the 'offense' is that not using the word 'easter' has left the national trust with egg all over it's face. LOL
It is quite a bad Jyoke when you think about it. So nothing that will crack us up laughing and nothing but
a chocolate farce.
Cadbury was a religious man and eggs are about easter except for Sunday breakfast. Someone seems to be poaching Eggs away from Easter. Or is it Easter being left with an egg?
We celebrate Easter and the Egg is new life... Why don't they be a good egg and leave Easter as it is?
A Christian tradition which does not require changing for the egg sinkers of the world.
What do you get if you poor boiling water down a rabbit hole?
Hot cross bunnies..
or why not let people and companies choose to use the word or not and don't make a fuss when they don't.
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Dear Splash,
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-35672775
I think I would rather choose to make a fuss.
Nevermind! The Tooth Fairy must be a very happy bunny >:(
Being a Pratchett fan I have always imagined the Tooth Fairy as a very fat fairy who delights in kids tooth decay and obesity :(
Gonnagle.
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or why not let people and companies choose to use the word or not and don't make a fuss when they don't.
If you are using a religious theme 'Easter' to sell a produce then you cannot pretend that it isn't about celebrating the
festival for which they are producing the egg.
If they produced the product all year round then they could use and choose the words.
But as they only make the easter eggs for the easter festival then they have to use the 'Easter' word.
To be honest any good business man would tell you. If you stop using the word Easter then eventually no one would associate your product with the celebration and there would be no reason to buy them. A box of chocolates would
suffice better than an egg. To be honest the companies rely on these celebrations such as easter to boost their sales.
So they cannot have it both ways. If they stop using the Christmas and Easter festival no one will feel obliged to buy an egg or selection packs during these celebrations.
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Dear Sass,
Right with you ;) Lets keep Christmas and Easter for what it is supposed to be, but then we are up against the giants of commercialism, and the world seems gladly to follow in their nonsense. :(
Gonnagle.
PS: The Pagans will be along in a Mo to tell us all what Christmas and Easter is all about. ::)
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Dear Sass,
Right with you ;) Lets keep Christmas and Easter for what it is supposed to be, but then we are up against the giants of commercialism, and the world seems gladly to follow in their nonsense. :(
Gonnagle.
PS: The Pagans will be along in a Mo to tell us all what Christmas and Easter is all about. ::)
Which came first the 'Chicken' or the 'Egg'? Do we celebrate Jesus or Ēostre or Ostara?
We nailed our true colour's to mast a long, long time ago. Who came first God or man?
God came first then man, then Ēostre or Ostara. If these pagan gods want to claim Easter then let them reveal themselves and claim it. Whoops! they can't because no one worships them because man made them up. Guess we have to go along with Jesus Christ. Seems he actually did something like rise from the dead. Also not forgetting the Jews who have always used eggs in their passover as the sign of new life. Hey wait a minute... isn't that the very reason we celebrate Easter.
New Life and Christ rising from the dead emerging alive from his grave/tomb.
If they want Easter let their gods come and claim it.. Our God did. ;) 8) ::) ;D
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Dear Sass,
Right with you ;) Lets keep Christmas and Easter for what it is supposed to be, but then we are up against the giants of commercialism, and the world seems gladly to follow in their nonsense. :(
Gonnagle.
PS: The Pagans will be along in a Mo to tell us all what Christmas and Easter is all about. ::)
Will we? I've been posting on this thread quite a bit and I'm not aware that I've told you anything.
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God came first then man, then Ēostre or Ostara. If these pagan gods want to claim Easter then let them reveal themselves and claim it.
Unsubstantiated assertions. What we do know is that people were worshiping pagan gods and the seasons well before Christians appeared.
Whoops! they can't because no one worships them ...
People did (and some people still do) worship them.
... because man made them up.
Another assertion and one that is just as easily levelled at the Christian god as pagan gods because there is no evidence to prove the existence of either. However at least the pagan gods that are associated with the seasons are embedded in truths we do have evidence for, in other words the annual passage of the seasons.
If they want Easter let their gods come and claim it.. Our God did. ;) 8) ::) ;D
I think many people do in a way. While I fully accept that very few people actually worship Eostre, I think that millions celebrate the return of spring and see Easter as inextricably linked with this. Indeed you only have to look at the heaving garden centres, the hum of lawn-mowers making their first outings of the year, the enjoyment of the blossom etc etc to recognise just how powerful marking the seasons is - certainly much more long-lasting and universally understandable than the convoluted and unevidenced assertions of a man dying and coming back to life.
Try as you might Christians have filed to stamp out the earlier understanding of the seasonal significance of both Easter and Christmas - and actually their significance in the season context grows as their Christian religious significance dwindles.
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If these pagan gods want to claim Easter then let them reveal themselves and claim it.
If your god wants to claim Easter, let him reveal himself and claim it.
Whoops! he can't because man made him up.
Seems he actually did something like rise from the dead.
According to some old story written decades after he didn't rise from the dead.
If they want Easter let their gods come and claim it.. Our God did.
No he didn't.
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Dear Splash,
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-35672775
I think I would rather choose to make a fuss.
Nevermind! The Tooth Fairy must be a very happy bunny >:(
Being a Pratchett fan I have always imagined the Tooth Fairy as a very fat fairy who delights in kids tooth decay and obesity :(
Gonnagle.
So does calling them easter eggs prevent tooth decay ?
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If you are using a religious theme 'Easter' to sell a produce then you cannot pretend that it isn't about celebrating the
festival for which they are producing the egg.
If they produced the product all year round then they could use and choose the words.
But as they only make the easter eggs for the easter festival then they have to use the 'Easter' word.
To be honest any good business man would tell you. If you stop using the word Easter then eventually no one would associate your product with the celebration and there would be no reason to buy them. A box of chocolates would
suffice better than an egg. To be honest the companies rely on these celebrations such as easter to boost their sales.
So they cannot have it both ways. If they stop using the Christmas and Easter festival no one will feel obliged to buy an egg or selection packs during these celebrations.
They are making choc eggs. They don't have to use the word easter. Stop trying to force your world view on the rest of us.
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Unsubstantiated assertions. What we do know is that people were worshiping pagan gods and the seasons well before Christians appeared.
Wrong, the pagan hijacked the Easter/Jewish celebration much later wanted to associate them to the real God.
Didn't work then and certainly won't work now.
People did (and some people still do) worship them.
If they worshipped them where are their temples... They don't have any unless of course you are admitting it is all pagan beliefs and no
temples exist just your beliefs you took from books written about what they supposedly represented.
The bible shows those practices under Baal which were many gods all pagan and included the worship of the male elements of nature including animals. We all know animals just animals and creation not gods.
Another assertion and one that is just as easily levelled at the Christian god as pagan gods because there is no evidence to prove the existence of either. However at least the pagan gods that are associated with the seasons are embedded in truths we do have evidence for, in other words the annual passage of the seasons.
In your dreams the God of the Jew and Christian has been active since time and memorial. You are so far back in the closet of denial you are in Narnia. God still healing and present with his people. The truth is pagans know their beliefs unfounded in any real power source.
I think many people do in a way. While I fully accept that very few people actually worship Eostre, I think that millions celebrate the return of spring and see Easter as inextricably linked with this. Indeed you only have to look at the heaving garden centres, the hum of lawn-mowers making their first outings of the year, the enjoyment of the blossom etc etc to recognise just how powerful marking the seasons is - certainly much more long-lasting and universally understandable than the convoluted and unevidenced assertions of a man dying and coming back to life.
Now you are being ridiculous. I cannot believe you are writing these things. I am more convinced now than ever, that people are pagan because they are desperate for any belief which they know will never require proof because everyone knows it does not exist in the first instance so will never ask.
Try as you might Christians have filed to stamp out the earlier understanding of the seasonal significance of both Easter and Christmas - and actually their significance in the season context grows as their Christian religious significance dwindles.
Pagans have to hijack beliefs from the true religion because they have nothing of their own that actually gives any real comfort.
No one challenges your beliefs because no one accepts they have any substance to them.
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If your god wants to claim Easter, let him reveal himself and claim it.
He did, Adam to Christ, shows God been here since the beginning. He created the egg making the chicken first. He created the men who believe in false gods and worship flowers, trees and animals. Then Jesus Christ came and rose from the dead.
If you had evidence you would not feel the need to push the things even you know are false on others.
Whoops! he can't because man made him up.
If you put Christ up against paganism or even YHWH then the people of YHWH certainly had to be more intelligent than those created paganism.
You do realise that if everything was made up then paganism a very poor second to YHWH and the Messiah.
Better worshipping a creator of all who is all-powerful than just the created.
According to some old story written decades after he didn't rise from the dead.
No he didn't.
Makes more interesting reading than pagan gods doesn't he. Seems there is high intelligence in what we choose to believe and paganism requiring less intelligence.
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They are making choc eggs. They don't have to use the word easter. Stop trying to force your world view on the rest of us.
Force it... you believe in worshipping the male forces of nature?
Who requires force? ;D ROFL
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Wrong, the pagan hijacked the Easter/Jewish celebration much later wanted to associate them to the real God.
Didn't work then and certainly won't work now.
If they worshipped them where are their temples... They don't have any unless of course you are admitting it is all pagan beliefs and no
temples exist just your beliefs you took from books written about what they supposedly represented.
The bible shows those practices under Baal which were many gods all pagan and included the worship of the male elements of nature including animals. We all know animals just animals and creation not gods.
In your dreams the God of the Jew and Christian has been active since time and memorial. You are so far back in the closet of denial you are in Narnia. God still healing and present with his people. The truth is pagans know their beliefs unfounded in any real power source.
Now you are being ridiculous. I cannot believe you are writing these things. I am more convinced now than ever, that people are pagan because they are desperate for any belief which they know will never require proof because everyone knows it does not exist in the first instance so will never ask.
Pagans have to hijack beliefs from the true religion because they have nothing of their own that actually gives any real comfort.
No one challenges your beliefs because no one accepts they have any substance to them.
The god of the Jews and Christians has only been active in the mind of believers for a long while, there is no evidence to support the idea it being a real entity.
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Force it... you believe in worshipping the male forces of nature?
Who requires force? ;D ROFL
What ?