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Religion and Ethics Discussion => Muslim Topic => Topic started by: trippymonkey on May 26, 2017, 08:57:33 PM
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Yahoo news aye? On a par with MSN which `i see when I log out of my Outlook email account.
(I've noticed you have posted anti-Muslim bigotry on a topic in non-Muslim section.)
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It may well be relegated there as the traditional mainstream media withhold such things you see. You would not see or hear this on, lets say the BBC, possibly to not give these people the publicity but more likely to continue the narrative that Islam is peace and isis are not Islamic etc. You know the drill. This is why people don't trust them anymore as they are a propaganda machine,
Anyway....
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/26/islamic-state-calls-all-out-war-west-start-ramadan-manchester/
http://www.newsweek.com/isis-calls-all-out-war-west-ramadan-days-after-manchester-attack-616016
http://nypost.com/2017/05/26/isis-calls-for-all-out-war-on-the-west/
I have no idea what the link between Isis and Ramadan could possibly be. Can anyone help?
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Not one of us is blind to the devastating effects of radicalisation but why post all this stuff on a religion & ethics forum?
During the IRA terrorist attacks, did everyone hate Irish & particuarly Catholics? I remember safeguards in public places (suchas litter bins sealed up on railway stations), and a degree of prejudice against the Irish which was often unfair.
Here we are, now hardly thinking about the Irish troubles. Certainly not anti-Irish or anti-Catholic. Yet terrible things happened - Bishopsgate, Bournemouth conference, Mountbatten blown up whilst on holiday in Ireland.
A lot of the IRA sympathisers were remotely related to Irish & were radicalised.
Thursday night's Question Time had a man on the panel (Colin Parry) whose son had been killed in an act of terror by the IRA & who is committed to peace - and talked about working with young people who are radicalised. My sorta person!
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I have been sickened by those on the Internet who are blaming all Muslims for the atrocities of the few. There have been so many overtly racist comments too, which have a throwback to the bad old days non whites were targeted. >:(
I don't remember that all Irish people and Catholics were blamed for the terrible crimes of the IRA, part of my ancestry on my father's side is Irish, his mother was born in Dublin.
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Not all Irish floo (& glad your family did't experience it), but a lot of Irish got flack because of the 'troubles' and the IRA, i heard it at work occasionally and heard it from Irish people. edit : one colleague of my schoolmaster dad, the man had lived in England since he was in his twenties! He experienced derogatory remarks from the kids he taught, he could forgive those, but also from neighbours. I worked with a couple of Irish people (still do, different people), notably one man and one woman who with her husband brought up a family here, who experienced the same.
Such prejudice usually came from either the thoughtless young or the less educated sections of society & from what I see, same attitude applies to Muslims.
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Not all Irish floo (& glad your family did't experience it), but a lot of Irish got flack because of the 'troubles' and the IRA, i heard it at work occasionally and heard it from Irish people. edit : one colleague of my schoolmaster dad, the man had lived in England since he was in his twenties! He experienced derogatory remarks from the kids he taught, he could forgive those, but also from neighbours. I worked with a couple of Irish people (still do, different people), notably one man and one woman who with her husband brought up a family here, who experienced the same.
Such prejudice usually came from either the thoughtless young or the less educated sections of society & from what I see, same attitude applies to Muslims.
Most I the prejudice towards the Muslims I have come across since Monday, appears to come from the older generation.
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Isis are the true face of Islam, as it is all based on the lies of a false prophet. It is my belief Muhammad was a cunning bandit who stole the idea of scaring gullible Arabs with the wrath of God, and he plagiarized most of his material from the bible.
The Quran is a tribal war manual that separates believer and unbelievers, and says unbelievers will burn in eternal hell.
It is full of the rules of fighting and even has an entire surah (surah 8) entitled 'spoils of war' As if any kind of God would take sides in wars and tell a bunch of bandits it was lawful for them to steal booty and female slaves.
Not to mention the fact that Muhammad starts surah 8 by saying all spoils belong to Allah, then later he says one fifth of the spoils are for Allah, and the messenger. It is almost like seeing Muhammad's cunning mind at work, and he realized he could not expect people to fight and die for him for nothing so he changed his mind and decided to settle for one fifth of the spoils of war.
Isis are just doing what the Quran tells them to do.
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Trippymonkey: I could never bow down to that creature or Islam, sorry.
Don't apologise, no-one's saying you have to!
You have a new ally posting here, make the most of him/her.
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Isis are the true face of Islam, as it is all based on the lies of a false prophet. It is my belief Muhammad was a cunning bandit who stole the idea of scaring gullible Arabs with the wrath of God, and he plagiarized most of his material from the bible.
The Quran is a tribal war manual that separates believer and unbelievers, and says unbelievers will burn in eternal hell.
It is full of the rules of fighting and even has an entire surah (surah 8) entitled 'spoils of war' As if any kind of God would take sides in wars and tell a bunch of bandits it was lawful for them to steal booty and female slaves.
Not to mention the fact that Muhammad starts surah 8 by saying all spoils belong to Allah, then later he says one fifth of the spoils are for Allah, and the messenger. It is almost like seeing Muhammad's cunning mind at work, and he realized he could not expect people to fight and die for him for nothing so he changed his mind and decided to settle for one fifth of the spoils of war.
Isis are just doing what the Quran tells them to do.
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from reading the Q'ran, Mohammed seems to have had contacts with the Gnostics of the fifth century, as well as a knowledge of the Greek in which much of the literature was written.
He portrays himself as an inspired illiterate, when the reverse is clearly the case. He seems to have been a fifth century version of Joseph Smith without the magic underpants.
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from reading the Q'ran, Mohammed seems to have had contacts with the Gnostics of the fifth century, as well as a knowledge of the Greek in which much of the literature was written.
He portrays himself as an inspired illiterate, when the reverse is clearly the case. He seems to have been a fifth century version of Joseph Smith without the magic underpants.
There is a hadith which says Muhammad sent for the Torah and had it read to him. Proof from the hadiths that he knew the bible. (see hadith Bukhari vol 8 book 82 no 809)
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There is a hadith which says Muhammad sent for the Torah and had it read to him. Proof from the hadiths that he knew the bible. (see hadith Bukhari vol 8 book 82 no 809)
From the content of the Qu'ran concerning Christ, and also Mary, it seems he had some knowledge of some of the more spurious Gnostic writings as well.
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Nick, still waiting for you to get back to me about which English translation you are using - you still have not mentioned the name of the translator for the verses you sometimes post. The widely used translations can be found on-line so once you let me know the name of the translator I should be able to check if you are actually accurately quoting the translation.
Also, would be good to know which interpretation (tafsir) of the translation you are using, to see if it is one that is widely used by Muslims. Given the majority of them do not behave like ISIS unless you have evidence to the contrary, not sure where your paranoia is coming from. Most of the Muslims in the UK seem to be relatively law-abiding and as a British Muslim citizen I abide by the British value that it's up to Parliament, the courts and the police to have policies to deal with criminal behaviour when it occurs.
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https://uk.yahoo.com/news/islamic-state-calls-war-west-holy-month-ramadan-143833648.html
The ISIS car bomb attack on Muslims at a Baghdad ice-cream parlour last night as Muslims were breaking fast has resulted in many deaths - including children so ISIS is waging war on everyone during Ramadan.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/baghdad-attack-video-isis-car-bomb-ice-cream-shop-cctv-footage-iraq-ramadan-2017-a7762726.html
Also from the Independent - "Analysts have warned that as Isis continues to suffer heavy losses in its shrinking territories in Syria and Iraq, it will turn its focus elsewhere to retain momentum."
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Yes G, this is absolutely disgusting & should make us all aware that there are 'wrong' types of Muslims according to those bastards IS. >:(
Do ALL please be vigilant - especially when we see how the so-called authorities KNEW about the Manchester bomber well before this atrocity !!!!
Nick
What do yo mean by the last sentence? Are you saying May did nothing knowing children were about to be murdered?
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No, not at all but it seems the local police knew he was a baddun & had been chucked out of his local mosque for talking jihadist bollox ?!!?!?
So, you are saying the local police failed and that the Home Secretary since 2010 was responsible for a system where communication didn't work?
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To a certain degree yes but there's more than them involved in all this.
I am sure there are but you seem unclear about what you mean about authorities. Maybe it would be better to write more clearly since it isn't clear to me what you mean.
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How much clearer do you 'need' me to be?
I have no idea what putting 'need' in quotes is meant to do there but given that I asked about stuff that you didn't mean, it should help you. Since I don't know what you mean, asking me to help you say what you mean seems just odd
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Clear as mud !!! ;)
You do remember this was a question about what you meant? In which case you are being accurate.
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All of you come back and tell us what you have said in this thread when it is your son, daughter, parent, sibling or relative lying dead in the morgue from such an attack.Till you become the family of a victim you are not in any position to judge the right and wrong.
Ireland was not the same thing as this terrorist killings. IS Terrorist have NO PLACE doing anything like what happened in Manchester in the whole of the UK. It isn't about who will do it, it is why they do it... anyone posing a threat needs to be removed not watched and then the bomb goes off.
Suspects need deporting taking no chances.
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Trippymonkey -
I don't feel the need to be told how to run my life by a book so many centuries old & with a mentality to match its origins as an Arabic desert sect-cult.
No-one says you have to though no doubt Muslims are keen to have new converts as are Christians, still there is no compulsion. We are free to choose.
I looked up UKIM Dawah Centre International Birmingham & seemed like a reasonable organisation but to find out details I'd have to join & don;t want to.
Also looked up the word 'Kafir' with one or two Fs & there are many meanings to the word
Sufficient from me, jobs to do & then bed. Hope you're enjoying weekend.
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Trippymonkey -
I don't feel the need to be told how to run my life by a book so many centuries old & with a mentality to match its origins as an Arabic desert sect-cult.
No-one says you have to though no doubt Muslims are keen to have new converts as are Christians, still there is no compulsion. We are free to choose.
Really?
No compulsion?
Honestly?
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If I've been given wrong translations of Arabic terms or anything incorrect then I'm more than willing to change my views, HOWEVER...
Nothing I've put up re my OWN ideas of Islam & its faults & blatant false info given out is, according to many years of research AND rejection of certain attitudes whether anti or pro Islam is well looked into.
I see Gabby, who I feel is a really good person-honest, has refuted my claims of words such as KUFFAR meaning ungrateful referring to ALL non-Muslims. by asking my sources. Am I wrong?
The info I was on about earlier came from
UKIM Dawah Centre International
2-8 Ludlow Rd
Birmingham
B8 3BY
Though by no means wholesale where I got-get my info & conclusions from.
I don't feel the need to be told how to run my life by a book so many centuries old & with a mentality to match its origins as an Arabic desert sect-cult.
I was watching some prog the last few days that mentioned the Cult Of Love & it made me think about religious idols such as Jesus & Mohammed where adherents are, may I say, brainwashed into 'loving' a personage that they've never met or may, indeed, never meet.
The recent bombings have a place in that too. How a person can be coerced into killing themselves & who knows how many others along with them for an idea, is beyond me.
Nick
Nick I was actually after the name of the translator - not the name of the shop that sent you the translation.
Because I would be interested to know why your translation says all disbelievers (Arabic: kafiroon or kafireen - plural - depending on whether the noun is the subject or object) are worthy of death. You seem to be suggesting that all Muslims have a duty to go out and kill any non-Muslims they come across, so I was interested to know how your translation justifies that interpretation. Is there any commentary in it to indicate how the translator interpreted it this way? Let's just start with the name of the translator and I will Google them.
Kufr means disbelief. Kafir is the singular for disbeliever. Yes its meaning also indicates a sense of ungratefulness towards Allah / the Creator.
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So the name of the translator? Got to go get ready to break fast - you can consider that stalling for time if you want.
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Really?
No compulsion?
Honestly?
Certainly,at least in this country. I can't answer for anywhere else (thinking of those young girls in Nigeria kidnapped by Boko Haram) but here we can listen, talk, walk away. We have freedom to choose. That freedom is so valuable, pity not everyone appreciates it.
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That's a good point, i wonder if we've ever known. Nevertheless forced conversions are not lawful in this country& are stupid anyway because how can something forced be genuine. The Roman Emporer Constantine (the Great) in the lVth century decided, as he'd become Christian, everyone else had to (that is debatable, I've heard different opinions)!
All I can say is atm no-one can force me to join or change religion. No law against against anyone trying to persuade but I have choices.