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Religion and Ethics Discussion => Christian Topic => Topic started by: floo on June 08, 2017, 05:31:24 PM

Title: Scottish Episcopal Church approves gay marriage
Post by: floo on June 08, 2017, 05:31:24 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-40190204

I see the Scottish Episcopal Church is to permit gay marriage, good for them. :)
Title: Re: Scottish Episcopal Church approves gay marriage
Post by: Robbie on June 08, 2017, 05:45:20 PM
Excellent!!!
Title: Re: Scottish Episcopal Church approves gay marriage
Post by: Nearly Sane on June 08, 2017, 05:48:20 PM
Piskies are up there in my favourite sects.
Title: Re: Scottish Episcopal Church approves gay marriage
Post by: wigginhall on June 08, 2017, 06:01:41 PM
Does this mean that any gay couple who want a church wedding can go to Scotland for one?   
Title: Re: Scottish Episcopal Church approves gay marriage
Post by: Gordon on June 08, 2017, 06:03:12 PM
I think a hearty hallelujah would be in order: good for them.
Title: Re: Scottish Episcopal Church approves gay marriage
Post by: Robbie on June 08, 2017, 06:03:58 PM
Does this mean that any gay couple who want a church wedding can go to Scotland for one?

I would think so.
Title: Re: Scottish Episcopal Church approves gay marriage
Post by: Anchorman on June 08, 2017, 06:16:31 PM
I already know of three pisky ministers who will not accept this and will seek oversight from a foreign diocese.
Title: Re: Scottish Episcopal Church approves gay marriage
Post by: Shaker on June 08, 2017, 07:24:55 PM
Good to hear  :)
Title: Re: Scottish Episcopal Church approves gay marriage
Post by: Sebastian Toe on June 08, 2017, 07:43:01 PM
I already know of three pisky ministers who will not accept this and will seek oversight from a foreign diocese.
They are not obliged to carry out the ceremonies though are they?
Title: Re: Scottish Episcopal Church approves gay marriage
Post by: Shaker on June 08, 2017, 08:11:05 PM
They are not obliged to carry out the ceremonies though are they?
Doesn't look like it - the article said it'll proceed on an opt-in basis.
Title: Re: Scottish Episcopal Church approves gay marriage
Post by: trippymonkey on June 08, 2017, 08:20:44 PM
At least certain Christian sects can see sense !!!!!
Title: Re: Scottish Episcopal Church approves gay marriage
Post by: Shaker on June 08, 2017, 08:23:33 PM
Happily there are still some who take 1 John 4:8 seriously.
Title: Re: Scottish Episcopal Church approves gay marriage
Post by: ad_orientem on June 08, 2017, 08:49:02 PM
Happily there are still some who take 1 John 4:8 seriously.

Shame that has nothing to do with gay "marriage" though.
Title: Re: Scottish Episcopal Church approves gay marriage
Post by: ad_orientem on June 08, 2017, 08:50:12 PM
At least certain Christian sects can see sense !!!!!

The heretics can do what they want, I suppose.
Title: Re: Scottish Episcopal Church approves gay marriage
Post by: Shaker on June 08, 2017, 08:53:12 PM
Shame that has nothing to do with gay "marriage" though.
Your keyboard needs seeing to - it's dropping in random punctuation marks. Probably a minor technical thingy, and replacements are as cheap as chips anyway.
Title: Re: Scottish Episcopal Church approves gay marriage
Post by: Shaker on June 08, 2017, 09:21:05 PM
The heretics can do what they want, I suppose.
Well, since who is classed as a heretic changes with the wind and the tides, it's nothing to fuss over ;)
Title: Re: Scottish Episcopal Church approves gay marriage
Post by: Anchorman on June 08, 2017, 09:30:03 PM
They are not obliged to carry out the ceremonies though are they?



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Apparently they don't want to associate themselves with the piskies in Scotland - this may be a problem: one minister is minister of the richest church in the denomination, which is struggling financially. If his congregation are of the same opinion, the denomination may well cease to be an effective force, the stronger churches joining more 'traditional' diocese.
A bit like the CofS, which has lost eight ministers and seven whole congregations to the Free Church (and a further two to independent status) over the past five years.
Title: Re: Scottish Episcopal Church approves gay marriage
Post by: SwordOfTheSpirit on June 27, 2017, 05:06:52 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-40190204

I see the Scottish Episcopal Church is to permit gay marriage, good for them. :)
What type of a marriage between a man and a woman is gay marriage Floo?
Title: Re: Scottish Episcopal Church approves gay marriage
Post by: Nearly Sane on June 27, 2017, 05:07:31 PM
What type of a marriage between a man and a woman is gay marriage Floo?
Why are you lying?
Title: Re: Scottish Episcopal Church approves gay marriage
Post by: floo on June 27, 2017, 05:41:50 PM
What type of a marriage between a man and a woman is gay marriage Floo?

What are you wittering on about? ::)
Title: Re: Scottish Episcopal Church approves gay marriage
Post by: Shaker on June 27, 2017, 05:43:10 PM
What type of a marriage between a man and a woman is gay marriage Floo?
No dear (bless him, he's confused, obviously): marriage between two people of the same sex.
Title: Re: Scottish Episcopal Church approves gay marriage
Post by: Gordon on June 27, 2017, 06:17:15 PM
What type of a marriage between a man and a woman is gay marriage Floo?

I can only assume you haven't been paying sufficient attention to events in the current century.
Title: Re: Scottish Episcopal Church approves gay marriage
Post by: Shaker on June 27, 2017, 06:45:14 PM
I can only assume you haven't been paying sufficient attention to events in the current century.
... or, over all, some considerable number of centuries previously, come to that.
Title: Re: Scottish Episcopal Church approves gay marriage
Post by: SusanDoris on June 27, 2017, 07:02:24 PM
OP: That is good news.

An e-mail from the NSS had a link to a survey (about improving their web site etc) and in answer to a question about why the work of the NSS is important, I said that I dislike bigotry in all  its forms.
Title: Re: Scottish Episcopal Church approves gay marriage
Post by: Walt Zingmatilder on June 27, 2017, 07:03:12 PM
I can only assume you haven't been paying sufficient attention to events in the current century.
Gordon at his best with his authoritarian hat.

The main interest in this issue on this forum is that it has been a text book exercise in linguistic totalitarianism.
Title: Re: Scottish Episcopal Church approves gay marriage
Post by: Nearly Sane on June 27, 2017, 07:03:52 PM
Gordon at his best with his authoritarian hat.

The main interest in this issue on this forum is that it has been a text book exercise in linguistic totalitarianism.
[/quoteStop lying
Title: Re: Scottish Episcopal Church approves gay marriage
Post by: Walt Zingmatilder on June 27, 2017, 07:05:32 PM
... or, over all, some considerable number of centuries previously, come to that.
It's just come up recently.....mind you, this Forum is a byword for the murder of historical study.
Title: Re: Scottish Episcopal Church approves gay marriage
Post by: Harrowby Hall on June 27, 2017, 07:05:42 PM
What type of a marriage between a man and a woman is gay marriage Floo?

Marriage is a civil contract between two people and its legal purpose is to protect property.
Title: Re: Scottish Episcopal Church approves gay marriage
Post by: Nearly Sane on June 27, 2017, 07:07:08 PM
It's just come up recently.....mind you, this Forum is a byword for the murder of historical study.
Stop lying
Title: Re: Scottish Episcopal Church approves gay marriage
Post by: Shaker on June 27, 2017, 07:08:31 PM
Gordon at his best with his authoritarian hat.

The main interest in this issue on this forum is that it has been a text book exercise in linguistic totalitarianism.
It's not authoritarian to remind people that their worldview lags several decades (at very best; it's often centuries) behind socio-political reality.

Any more than it's authoritarian to say to those on socio-political dial-up that they are somewhat behind the rest of us on fibre optic.
Title: Re: Scottish Episcopal Church approves gay marriage
Post by: Walt Zingmatilder on June 27, 2017, 07:42:52 PM
It's not authoritarian to remind people that their worldview lags several decades (at very best; it's often centuries) behind socio-political reality.

Any more than it's authoritarian to say to those on socio-political dial-up that they are somewhat behind the rest of us on fibre optic.
Fallacy of modernity.
Just a few decades ago secular humanists seemed to think a welfare state was a good thing. Now there are more SHers and it seems the sort of thing we can't afford.

As for Dial up versus superfast. It could just mean crap...only faster.
Title: Re: Scottish Episcopal Church approves gay marriage
Post by: Nearly Sane on June 27, 2017, 07:51:41 PM
Fallacy of modernity.
Just a few decades ago secular humanists seemed to think a welfare state was a good thing. Now there are more SHers and it seems the sort of thing we can't afford.

As for Dial up versus superfast. It could just mean crap...only faster.
Stop lying
Title: Re: Scottish Episcopal Church approves gay marriage
Post by: Shaker on June 27, 2017, 07:57:24 PM
Fallacy of modernity.
Just a few decades ago secular humanists seemed to think a welfare state was a good thing. Now there are more SHers and it seems the sort of thing we can't afford.
Fallacy of just about anything and everything. The idea that a welfare state is something that we can't afford is a political and ideological concept typically associated with social and fiscal conservatives (large or small C makes no difference), i.e. in this country Tories - typically people who are the antithesis of secular and humanistic. So arse backwards, unfortunately for you.

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As for Dial up versus superfast. It could just mean crap...only faster.
That sounds like religion.
Title: Re: Scottish Episcopal Church approves gay marriage
Post by: ProfessorDavey on June 27, 2017, 08:03:03 PM
Fallacy of modernity.
Just a few decades ago secular humanists seemed to think a welfare state was a good thing. Now there are more SHers and it seems the sort of thing we can't afford.
The nonsense of failing to understand the difference between association and causation.

Can you provide evidence please that an increase in secular humanism is the cause of an increased view that we can't afford welfare (indeed if that is actually the case).

I would have thought that concern about the affordability of welfare is due to increasingly elderly population and therefore an increased need coupled with a right wing government in power for the past 7 years driving an agenda of austerity and shrinking government (and therefore welfare spending).
Title: Re: Scottish Episcopal Church approves gay marriage
Post by: Steve H on July 31, 2017, 10:26:45 AM
I already know of three pisky ministers who will not accept this and will seek oversight from a foreign diocese.
Miserable sods. Why don't they just fuck off to Rome or the Wee Frees?
Title: Re: Scottish Episcopal Church approves gay marriage
Post by: Anchorman on July 31, 2017, 10:38:54 AM
Because they are neither Roman Catholic or Presbyterian. (By the way, the Free Church - of which I'm not a member - actually incresed its numbers last year - by several thousand; adding a further four 'seeded' congregations - making a total of seventeen new congregations in 18 months)