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Religion and Ethics Discussion => Christian Topic => Topic started by: floo on July 24, 2017, 09:29:34 AM
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Absolutely amazing what utter crap people will believe. :o
Fear has such a big role to play in certain religions, it seems. >:(
Really !!! Can't God DO any better !?!?!? ;)
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Certainly I believe in hell. I don't cherish the idea of anyone being there. Who knows, I might even end up there. I think most Christians who hold to a traditional view of hell would like to be universalists at heart but given what we know from the scriptures etc we know that it cannot be so.
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Certainly I believe in hell. I don't cherish the idea of anyone being there. Who knows, I might even end up there. I think most Christians who hold to a traditional view of hell would like to be universalists at heart but given what we know from the scriptures etc we know that it cannot be so.
Why would you like to be a universalist? Why is your god so at odds with what you want to be?
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Why would you like to be a universalist? Why is your god so at odds with what you want to be?
To the first question, because I would like to think that all might be able to enjoy paradise. The scriptures also tell us that God desires that all be saved. However we also know that many reject God and therefore through their own choice will be excluded from heaven.
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To the first question, because I would like to think that all might be able to enjoy paradise. The scriptures also tell us that God desires that all be saved. However we also know that many reject God and therefore through their own choice will be excluded from heaven.
So you and your god think everyone being saved would be a good thing. And in this case your god is omnipotent and omniscient and yet has created a circumstance that it doesn't want since being an omnipotent omniscient god, this is the only possible universe. Given that is contradictory to what you say it wants, it means your beliefs are logically inconsistent.
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So you and your god think everyone being saved would be a good thing. And in this case your god is omnipotent and omniscient and yet has created a circumstance that it doesn't want since being an omnipotent omniscient god, this is the only possible universe. Given that is contradictory to what you say it wants, it means your beliefs are logically inconsistent.
Not at all. We have freewill. God neither wants nor made us automatons.
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Not at all. We have freewill. God neither wants nor made us automatons.
Doesn't matter if god is the omnis. This must by definition be the best possible world. Or do you think your god choose to create a worse world than it could?
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Doesn't matter if god is the omnis. This must by definition be the best possible world. Or do you think your god choose to create a worse world than it could?
When God created the world he said that it was very good. Freewill means that we are able to reject God. Neither does it mean anything to love God if we do not choose freely. Anything else and you don't have freewill, unless you're willing to go through logical somersaults.
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When God created the world he said that it was very good. Freewill means that we are able to reject God. Neither does it mean anything to love God if we do not choose freely. Anything else and you don't have freewill, unless you're willing to go through logical somersaults.
That isn't an answer to the question. Could your god create a worse world?
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That isn't an answer to the question. Could your god create a worse world?
Yes.
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Yes.
Surely that would be against his nature? Or did he choose this creation on the toss of coin?
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Surely that would be against his nature? Or did he choose this creation on the toss of coin?
Eh?
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Eh?
How did an omniscient, omnipotent and presumably omnibenevolent choose what its creation would be like? Is this creation not in line with the essential nature of your god?
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How did an omniscient, omnipotent and presumably omnibenevolent choose what its creation would be like? Is this creation not in line with the essential nature of your god?
Everything was made according according to his will.
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Everything was made according according to his will.
So, given it is his will, nothing could be any different?
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So, given it is his will, nothing could be any different?
Things will be different, at least the other side of the Parousia. Then there will be a new heaven and a new earth. Why he chose to do it this way, that I cannot answer nor will I attempt to.
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Things will be different, at least the other side of the Parousia. Then there will be a new heaven and a new earth. Why he chose to do it this way, that I cannot answer nor will I attempt to.
Mmm I note the switch in uses of different. Again could this world be any different to be consistent with your god's nature?
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Ad,
However we also know that many reject God and therefore through their own choice will be excluded from heaven.
Does it not seem to you peculiarly narcissistic and arbitrary of this God of yours to make the selection criterion whether or not people “reject” him rather than, say, find a cure for cancer, foster needy children, or do similar good works that benefit “His” special creation?
What kind of moral monster would condemn someone to an eternity (an eternity mind you) of cloven-footed types with toasting forks just because they didn’t show “Him” sufficient obeisance while on the mortal coil?
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Mmm I note the switch in uses of different. Again could this world be any different to be consistent with your god's nature?
If we say that God is almighty then the answer has to yes.
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Ad,
Does it not seem to you peculiarly narcissistic and arbitrary of this God of yours to make the selection criterion whether or not people “reject” him rather than, say, find a cure for cancer, foster needy children, or do similar good works that benefit “His” special creation?
What kind of moral monster would condemn someone to an eternity (an eternity mind you) of cloven-footed types with toasting forks just because they didn’t show “Him” sufficient obeisance while on the mortal coil?
Only a psycho would do that.
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If we say that God is almighty then the answer has to yes.
So your god could act against its nature?
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So your god could act against its nature?
I never said that.
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I never said that.
I didn't say you had. That's why I used a question mark. Can your god act in any way that isn't exactly in line with its nature?
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I didn't say you had. That's why I used a question mark. Can your god act in any way that isn't exactly in line with its nature?
I don't really know. I'm inclined to say no but then that would put limitations on his being almighty.
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I don't really know. I'm inclined to say no but then that would put limitations on his being almighty.
So this god character can do literally anything, or only what is logically possible?
That's to say, can it create a four-sided triangle or a square circle, or does it operate within the bounds of logic?
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I don't really know. I'm inclined to say no but then that would put limitations on his being almighty.
well points for honesty but it means your belief system makes no coherent sense
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Why are you expecting to find coherent sense looking into a "belief system" from outside? If ad's god is real it need only make sense to itself - if that. Similarly, geometry may make no sense - may even not exist. Does this god live in a universe with spatial dimensions?
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Why are you expecting to find coherent sense looking into a "belief system" from outside? If ad's god is real it need only make sense to itself - if that. Similarly, geometry may make no sense - may even not exist. Does this god live in a universe with spatial dimensions?
and if it is logically contradictory, it's meaningless. It precisely doesn't make sense to or in itself.
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That isn't an answer to the question. Could your god create a worse world?
Venus.
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Venus.
Bzzzzt, nil points. Venus would be a worse world for humans but not for any life that may ever (if ever - its climate was once vastly different) have evolved there - just as Earth would be a worse world for Venusian life. Life adapts around its surrounding conditions, not vice versa.
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We did have an interesting poster who liked to describe the bodies of named female posters as they burned in hell.
He's not a member now.
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We did have an interesting poster who liked to describe the bodies of named female posters as they burned in hell.
He's not a member now.
Blimey, missed that one.
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We did have an interesting poster who liked to describe the bodies of named female posters as they burned in hell.
He's not a member now.
I'd expunged that from my memory
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We did have an interesting poster who liked to describe the bodies of named female posters as they burned in hell.
He's not a member now.
I don't remember them?
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I don't remember them?
Lucky you!
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Lucky you!
I am wracking what is left of my brain to work out who it was, as no doubt I was on the list! ;D
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Rhi,
We did have an interesting poster who liked to describe the bodies of named female posters as they burned in hell.
He's not a member now.
But he was sure a "member' then ;)
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I seem to remember he attacked in particular another poster called Betty(whom I met several months ago) but I can't remember his name at all.
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I seem to remember he attacked in particular another poster called Betty(whom I met several months ago) but I can't remember his name at all.
I remember Betty - very wise lady.
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I remember Betty - very wise lady.
And much missed.
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And much missed.
thirded
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I remember Betty - very wise lady.
If she looks in perhaps she'll consider returning - would be great if she did.
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If she looks in perhaps she'll consider returning - would be great if she did.
I agree. :)
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I know this topic has been done before, but I thought I would start a new thread on it. I post on an American religious debate forum where a number of the posters seem to get orgasmic at the idea of unbelievers burning for ever in the fires of hell. Actually they are so crazy they are amusing. :D
Been looking in the mirror again Floo?
The person who gets orgasmic by posting on forums where people hold views radically different to yours for some sort of sick amusement, is complaining about a misrepresentation of what other posters believe?
You're like a dog chasing its tail!
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Rubber Spatula of the Irrational
Been looking in the mirror again Floo?
The person who gets orgasmic by posting on forums where people hold views radically different to yours for some sort of sick amusement, is complaining about a misrepresentation of what other posters believe?
You're like a dog chasing its tail!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque
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I seem to remember he attacked in particular another poster called Betty(whom I met several months ago) but I can't remember his name at all.
Sounds a bit like aTruster
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Been looking in the mirror again Floo?
The person who gets orgasmic by posting on forums where people hold views radically different to yours for some sort of sick amusement, is complaining about a misrepresentation of what other posters believe?
You're like a dog chasing its tail!
In my, strongly held, opinion, it is just as well you do not post very often as your posts are unpleasant to put it mildly.
There is a poster on another forum I go to who is quite fond of being patronising, but none of us minds because he is evidently a warm, caring person, evident in the way he posts.
Edited to correct order of sentences.
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I agree with those who always enjoyed reading Betty's posts.
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Been looking in the mirror again Floo?
The person who gets orgasmic by posting on forums where people hold views radically different to yours for some sort of sick amusement, is complaining about a misrepresentation of what other posters believe?
You're like a dog chasing its tail!
All very well & obviously exasperating for you but fact is floo seems to have been severely traumatised by such talk. When things are instilled in childhood they are difficult to expunge & will keep popping up. Does it hurt us? I wouldn't have thought so.
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Been looking in the mirror again Floo?
The person who gets orgasmic by posting on forums where people hold views radically different to yours for some sort of sick amusement, is complaining about a misrepresentation of what other posters believe?
You're like a dog chasing its tail!
Sarcasm is not a good evangelistic tool.
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All very well & obviously exasperating for you but fact is floo seems to have been severely traumatised by such talk. When things are instilled in childhood they are difficult to expunge & will keep popping up. Does it hurt us? I wouldn't have thought so.
I think 'severely traumatised' is an exaggeration. ::) It spoilt my childhood, but once I lost my faith I got over it. However, I will always challenged people who come out with that garbage, as there is no evidence to support it, and it can scare people.
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Floo I really do hope you eventually make it to heaven. I would love to have the privilege of being able to wake you up every morning to remind you that, after all was said and done, I was right and you were Wrong!
Although on second thoughts that would probably constitute sheer hell for you so perhaps I should not hope too fervently. :)
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Floo I really do hope you eventually make it to heaven. I would love to have the privilege of being able to wake you up every morning to remind you that, after all was said and done, I was right and you were Wrong!
Although on second thoughts that would probably constitute sheer hell for you so perhaps I should not hope too fervently. :)
Could you please provide a detailed description of the heaven you believe in? Where is it? etc etc :)
Edited again - I don't think the tags are right
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Floo I really do hope you eventually make it to heaven. I would love to have the privilege of being able to wake you up every morning to remind you that, after all was said and done, I was right and you were Wrong!
Although on second thoughts that would probably constitute sheer hell for you so perhaps I should not hope too fervently. :)
I will be roasting in hell if Sword, and those who think like him, have their way! ;D
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I will be roasting in hell if Sword, and those who think like him, have their way! ;D
Religion doesn't seem to get much madder than this hell idea, an absolutely barmy idea, useful to those in power in the days before many couldn't even write.
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Religion doesn't seem to get much madder than this hell idea, an absolutely barmy idea, useful to those in power in the days before many couldn't even write.
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It is a good way of persuading the frightened and gullible to convert!
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Sarcasm is not a good evangelistic tool.
Neither is telling the truth these days. Much better to evangelise where the hearers can be made to feel comfortable in their lifestyles, isn't it.
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Neither is telling the truth these days. Much better to evangelise where the hearers can be made to feel comfortable in their lifestyles, isn't it.
The TRUTH? How do you KNOW burning in hell is the 'truth'? Your sort of evangelising is only making you look very silly! ::) A lot of Christians don't see it your way.
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Neither is telling the truth these days. Much better to evangelise where the hearers can be made to feel comfortable in their lifestyles, isn't it.
Does it make you warm inside to call your opinion, The Truth? Do you get a bit excited at the pit of your stomach? Does it make your sword stand up?
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Floo I really do hope you eventually make it to heaven. I would love to have the privilege of being able to wake you up every morning to remind you that, after all was said and done, I was right and you were Wrong!
People go to sleep in this heaven of yours, then, do they?
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and they have night and day by the sounds of it. I wonder if they get thunderstorms there.
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Does it make you warn inside to call your opiniion, The Truth? Do you get a bit excited at the pit of your stomach? Does it make your sword stand up?
I now have an image of Sword, which will stay with me and make me giggle whenever he posts! ;D
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I will be roasting in hell if Sword, and those who think like him, have their way! ;D
Did Sword actually say anything about literally roasting in Hell (or about having a say in who does)?
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:) And I was just thinking the other day that we haven't seen one of Sword's jolly little posts recently... ...
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:) And I was just thinking the other day that we haven't seen one of Sword's jolly little posts recently... ...
I was quite relieved by that.
Not any more, but there we go.
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I was quite relieved by that.
Not any more, but there we go.
He is trying to save us heathen from the BBQ in hell! ;D ;D ;D
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We prob'ly have been here before, same things come up often enough.
There's not gonna be any barbecue.That's my opinion anyway which may not be worth much.
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Sorry, did'nt mean anything neg by what I said. Day off today instead of Friday, giving in to tiredness so can't engage brain properly.
(i felt quite refreshed when I got back from Devon last weekend! Going for a kip next.)
Going back to thread,I feel sure there aren't many Christians who take the Biblical story of Hell as a place of torment literally. That would be so unfair whatever anyone has done. Thinking about people who have committed heinous crimes and spent most of their lives in prison - they would have done their 'hell' in the here and now in every way, incarcerated, vilified, beaten up, you name it. They paid their debt, Why would they be punished further? I can't see that.
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Ah now I understand something that was said to me before,while back, perplexed me at the time - but no matter now (ijust hope they were nice :D).
"As for hellfire believers, sadly there are a good many who still believe in that nonsense, especially the extreme evangelicals. As for whether there are any deserving of a hellish BBQ, well I can think of a few, but for all eternity is way over the top."
Exactly & would be awful for us to imagine it even if we were horrified by them in life. Not at all healthy. It would cast a BIG cloud over my life if I believed that but never have. Thank goodness.
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If you do not believe in any kind of after-life hell, how do you rationalise believing in some after-life heaven/something similar? That is, if you do, of course.
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If you do not believe in any kind of after-life hell, how do you rationalise believing in some after-life heaven/something similar? That is, if you do, of course.
Good question.
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I have said it many times but never got a proper answer, how if is fair and just for an evil person like a serial killer to hypothetically get 'saved' on their deathbed and go straight to heaven, yet a good, decent unbeliever goes to hell? Of course there are those who believe, 'once saved, you are always saved' whatever naughty things you do after you have taken out that insurance policy. So technically having done the 'saved' mantra as a kid, I could then spend of my life as the worst sort of criminal and still end up in heaven. Oh hang on a minute, when I have put that question to the 'once said, always saved' lot, I am told I wasn't 'saved' in the first place, how convenient. ::)
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I know this topic has been done before, but I thought I would start a new thread on it. I post on an American religious debate forum where a number of the posters seem to get orgasmic at the idea of unbelievers burning for ever in the fires of hell. Actually they are so crazy they are amusing. :D
When I was a teenager (17) I remember a guest preacher at the Pentecostal church my family attended going on about the tortures of hell with great gusto. He was obviously getting off on the idea of people burning for all eternity. The pulpit hid the lower part of his body, but his right hand appeared to be moving up and down, it was disgusting! :o I walked out taking my younger sisters with me, I was followed by most of the congregation. My parents, who hadn't attended the service, agreed I had done the right thing!
How many posters reckon hell is a place where all the unsaved roast forever?
Don't know anyone who came back from hell to tell anyone about tortures of hell.
Christ never mentioned any when he returned. Want to enlighten us?
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Don't know anyone who came back from hell to tell anyone about tortures of hell.
Christ never mentioned any when he returned. Want to enlighten us?
No one has ever come back to life after they are well and truly dead, including Jesus, imo.
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No one has ever come back to life after they are well and truly dead, including Jesus, imo.
There's a circularity here where if anyone were to come back from the dead then they weren't truly dead. It's one that has its own fallacy.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
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There's a circularity here where if anyone were to come back from the dead then they weren't truly dead. It's one that has its own fallacy.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
So you are saying if Jesus did appear to resurrect, he wasn't truly dead?
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So you are saying if Jesus did appear to resurrect, he wasn't truly dead?
No, you are.
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No, you are.
OK so do you think Jesus came back from the dead, or not?
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OK so do you think Jesus came back from the dead, or not?
I have no reason to think so. But thinking that he didn't because no true dead person can is bad logic.
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I have no reason to think so. But thinking that he didn't because no true dead person can is bad logic.
Why?
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Why?
Because as already explained it's circular.
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"Ever decreasing" would be fine - at least there is an endpoint. It's when they don't decrease that you never get anywhere.
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I think 'severely traumatised' is an exaggeration. ::) It spoilt my childhood, but once I lost my faith I got over it. However, I will always challenged people who come out with that garbage, as there is no evidence to support it, and it can scare people.
You don't give the impression of having got over it, banging on about it at every opportunity.
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You don't give the impression of having got over it, banging on about it at every opportunity.
This is true.
I mean, some people think a magic god-man did magicky things 2000 years ago and then died but didn't really, and you don't hear them still going on about it, do you?
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You don't give the impression of having got over it, banging on about it at every opportunity.
Nothing like taking the piss out of someone's childhood trauma in order to point score.
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Nothing like taking the piss out of someone's childhood trauma in order to point score.
Or like skipping from one forum to another in order to do so.
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Or like skipping from one forum to another in order to do so.
Oh come on. Nobody would do that, surely? Especially not someone with Christian values.
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I post on religious forums because I wish to challenge those who believe in the more extreme versions of Christianity, like the 'get 'saved' or go to hell' brigade, who seem to get off on condemning those who don't see it their way to hell. I see it as an abusive dogma, which scares children and the vulnerable. Yes it gave me nightmares as a child, but it has not caused me problems since I realised it has no credibility.
I do get fed up and irritated with those who take it upon themselves to explain to others what I am thinking and feeling! ::)
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Sorry I kicked it off floo.
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On another religious forum on which I post, the 'you will burn in hell/end timers' are having a whale of a time with the prospect of the North Korean situation causing a war. I think they will be most disappointed if diplomacy wins outs over conflict! ::)
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They're scared of the heat themselves floo, haven't bought any asbestos clothing!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCnQQLUJHb8
ENJOY! ::)
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NOT :D.
Where do you find these people????
Dreadful man.daresay we have a few here but more common over the pond. Apparently also in Australia!
I didn't watch it to the end but will come back later.
Comments were illuminating.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCnQQLUJHb8
ENJOY! ::)
That video is 27 minutes, 10 seconds. Here's the 3 second version:
Turn, or burn
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Rubber Spatula of Irrationalism,
Turn, or burn
How very Christian.
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Well, I apologise in advance for a bit of sarcasm here - but I wonder if Sword thinks we should be grateful for his turning up to give us a summary of the video - which I for one certainly did not bother to watch!!! for which, apologies to Floo!
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Well, I apologise in advance for a bit of sarcasm here - but I wonder if Sword thinks we should be grateful for his turning up to give us a summary of the video - which I for one certainly did not bother to watch!!! for which, apologies to Floo!
I don't blame you for not watching it as it is pretty sick. It was the crazy garbage I had to put up with Sunday after Sunday during my childhood! :o
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That video is 27 minutes, 10 seconds. Here's the 3 second version:
Turn, or burn
Is it a video on how to barbecue the perfect shish kebab?
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[that guy]Is there a vegan version?[/that guy]
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[that guy]Is there a vegan version?[/that guy]
Tofu kebab. Needs a good marinade though.
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That video is 27 minutes, 10 seconds. Here's the 3 second version:
Turn, or burn
Obviously some kind of nutter, that's the trouble with these delusions they're difficult to shake off, bet he does a good barbi, never runs out of coke, the burning kind.
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I find it very disturbing that some people in the 21st century actually believe people will burn in hell for all eternity. The whole scenario lacks any credibility, even if hell exists and it is one massive bonfire, once you are burnt up, END OF! No doubt the hell-fire lot would say that god is all powerful and would ensure that you would never cease feeling the pain. >:( If that is true what does that say about god? No one, even the most wicked human ever to exist, doesn't deserve to suffer forever.
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EXACTLY Floo !!!
Even the nastiest of demonic creatures fall WELL short of what THIS horrendous thing threatens us with. :o >:( A REAL god would never act in this way - even a waste of human space wouldn't do any of this although, having said that ISIS come pretty close, eh. But then look at their fake god. It just gets worse as it went along !!!
Awful & it's about time we threw it out with the rest of the toilet waste !!!! ;) 8)
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Few Christians believe that way. Think Sword was doing a wind up with his TURN or Burn.
I know what my idea of Hell is & it's not that.
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It has been suggested that Hell is a place where all the things you hated or peed you off on earth will be there to torment you forever ?!!?!? ;) :o
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It has been suggested that Hell is a place where all the things you hated or peed you off on earth will be there to torment you forever ?!!?!? ;) :o
Now that is very scary indeed!
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Obviously some kind of nutter,
People who post in glass forums shouldn't throw stones.
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People who post in glass forums shouldn't throw stones.
Are you speaking of yourself dear? ;D
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It has been suggested that Hell is a place where all the things you hated or peed you off on earth will be there to torment you forever ?!!?!? ;) :o
God, does that mean it's a perpetual R&E discussion on the Flood?
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People who post in glass forums shouldn't throw stones.
So do you regard 'turn or burn' as a sane thing to say?
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So do you regard 'turn or burn' as a sane thing to say?
A bit crude but I do believe we should put ourselves up against the possibility of not being as wonderful as we usually think ourselves and perhaps eternally not.
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A bit crude but I do believe we should put ourselves up against the possibility of not being as wonderful as we usually think ourselves and perhaps eternally not.
So that's a yes then.
Remind us what your god has to do with love and compassion again?
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So that's a yes then.
It might seem that way to axe grinding swivel eyed paganism.
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It might seem that way to axe grinding swivel eyed paganism.
Paganism is a thing, it doesn't have eyes. Are you referring to me personally?
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It might seem that way to axe grinding swivel eyed paganism.
In other words you aren't able to answer Rhi's legitimate question.
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In other words you aren't able to answer Rhi's legitimate question.
What question?
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What question?
Remind us what your god has to do with love and compassion again?
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Think Sword was doing a wind up with his TURN or Burn.
Well spotted Robinson! My comment was in relation to the link. At no stage have I claimed that this is what I believe.
I did it because:
1. I knew it would demonstrate that some here are not interested in truth, only what they want to believe. There is this strange dichotomy here, where some (e.g. Floo) appear to be interested in truth, but on the other hand have already made up their minds, yet keep on asking the same questions!
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Remind us what your god has to do with love and compassion again?
Remind us again of why you will take absolutely no notice of the answer.
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Well spotted Robinson! My comment was in relation to the link. At no stage have I claimed that this is what I believe.
I did it because:
1. I knew it would demonstrate that some here are not interested in truth, only what they want to believe. There is this strange dichotomy here, where some (e.g. Floo) appear to be interested in truth, but on the other hand have already made up their minds, yet keep on asking the same questions!
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Remind us again of why you will take absolutely no notice of the answer.
There is nothing loving or compassionate about the Biblical god.
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I knew it would demonstrate that some here are not interested in truth, only what they want to believe.
While religion is alive irony will never die.
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While religion is alive irony will never die.
True! ;D
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While religion is alive irony will never die.
Neither will your inability to produce any proof against it.
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Neither will your inability to produce any proof against it.
Your deployment of the negative proof fallacy there is a fine example of precisely what I was referring to. Well done.
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Neither will your inability to produce any proof against it.
Sword
Please check your PMs.
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Neither will your inability to produce any proof against it.
No one has to provide evidence against it!
Good grief, you should know by now, that you have to provide evidence in support of it.
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No one has to provide evidence against it!
Good grief, you should know by now, that you have to provide evidence in support of it.
Ah but people like sword don't seem to understand that! ::)
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Neither will your inability to produce any proof against it.
It's for believers to provide evidence for belief. In the absence of any, non-belief wins by default. Occam's razor.
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Ah but people like sword don't seem to understand that! ::)
But you keep on claiming that there is none (a positive statement), yet you can never back it up, or say how you would evaluate it.
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But you keep on claiming that there is none (a positive statement), yet you can never back it up, or say how you would evaluate it.
We were talking about your statement that there is no evidence against Christianity, and pointing out that there doesn't need to be. As for evidence for Christian belief, try giving Floo and the rest of us some, and then we shall see what can be made of it.
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But you keep on claiming that there is none (a positive statement), yet you can never back it up, or say how you would evaluate it.
If you look at #125 of BR's, where the post of Floo's you quoted is her response to that, I think you'll find Floo is agreeing with BR that the burden of proof regarding divine entities belongs to you guys.
Got any?
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But you keep on claiming that there is none (a positive statement), yet you can never back it up, or say how you would evaluate it.
That is untrue. What I have actually said many times, is although I don't believe a god exists, it is possible one could exist somewhere. If so I don't believe it is in communication with humans!
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That is untrue. What I have actually said many times, is although I don't believe a god exists, it is possible one could exist somewhere. If so I don't believe it is in communication with humans!
If you don't mind Floo, I'll go for it could be Bert's celestial tea pot that really exists. (I wondered shouldn't that have been a Bert's Camel skin water bag? Maybe that's what he should have said instead of the tea pot)?
Floo, I do realise I keep on posting these very deep intellectually challenging posts, sorry I just can't help it.
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If you don't mind Floo, I'll go for it could be Bert's celestial tea pot that really exists. (I wondered shouldn't that have been a Bert's Camel skin water bag? Maybe that's what he should have said instead of the tea pot)?
Floo, I do realise I keep on posting these very deep intellectually challenging posts, sorry I just can't help it.
ippy
Never mind dear, nursie will make it better! ;D
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Never mind dear, nursie will make it better! ;D
Sounds good ;D ;D
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Never mind dear, nursie will make it better! ;D
She or he will definitely give him a gentle stroke....
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She or he will definitely give him a gentle stroke....
And I've got a heart condition!
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No one has ever come back to life after they are well and truly dead, including Jesus, imo.
Not an answer? Do you have an answer to your claims?
Guess you don't really know anything just make it up as you go along.
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Not an answer? Do you have an answer to your claims?
Guess you don't really know anything just make it up as you go along.
We leave that to the religionists.