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Religion and Ethics Discussion => Christian Topic => Topic started by: floo on October 03, 2017, 11:57:16 AM
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Some Christians claim that god is speaking directly to them, what exactly do they mean by that? How do they know it is god and not their imagination playing tricks?
My late mother-in-law believed she and god were on speaking terms and great buddies. ::) God was apparently in agreement with her about everything including which clothes were suitable to wear, and which TV programmes to watch. ;D
he only speaks to those who believe he speaks to them , funny that ! ::)
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Most of our food manufacturers are reducing the content/size of their products and selling them at the same price as before but I think you'll find the Baco foil is being packed in very similar looking size packs as before but the sheets of foil are thinner, perhaps this could be a contributing factor to this problem of thinking god is speaking to you?
ippy
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The only time I thought God was actually speaking to me was when I was walking home from Sunday School, aged about 7. I was trailing behind my sister as usual, day-dreaming and *heard* a strong voice in my head making a comment. It never happened again, so I can still run the film through in my head - location, matching pink coat and hat, clutching little bunch of clover flowers I'd picked. :)
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Errrrrrrrrr yeh right? :-\
Floo you seem to be living in a humourless desert up there in little old Wales, I really didn't think my comment was that deep,
the weather has been on the damp crappy side for Essex, still, we haven't gone that rusty yet.
Kind regards ippy
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Floo you seem to be living in a humourless desert up there in little old Wales, I really didn't think my comment was that deep,
the weather has been on the damp crappy side for Essex, still, we haven't gone that rusty yet.
Kind regards ippy
ipster, I don't think it's a failure of humour so much as the fact that floo didn't get the reference to tin foil.
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I didn't understand his post?
It's ok Floo I've just doubled up on the amount I put in side my hat, it's the Martians you know, they keep on sending out these secret radio waves.
ippy
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Some Christians claim that god is speaking directly to them, what exactly do they mean by that? How do they know it is god and not their imagination playing tricks?
My late mother-in-law believed she and god were on speaking terms and great buddies. ::) God was apparently in agreement with her about everything including which clothes were suitable to wear, and which TV programmes to watch. ;D
Some of the above is common sense. But God does speak to us directly sometimes. It is to protect us and save us from the things that could hurt us or over power us. Your imagination cannot predict the future and it certainly cannot warn you of danger.
May be you should be asking why you never heard God speak.
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Because it doesn't exist is the obvious answer.
Not even educated your answer. Nothing obvious about such an answer which is just a typical void one.
You ask a question " Does God speak to you?" If you don't believe God speaks to people then for what logical and educated reason could you really ask the question? It cannot be to gleam knowledge because you cannot reason or produce an educated answer to anyone who actually believes God does. Should you really post threads when you have no logical purpose or reason for doing so? This is clearly shown in your replies.
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You ask a question " Does God speak to you?" If you don't believe God speaks to people then for what logical and educated reason could you really ask the question?
To find out why people believe such a thing. Obviously.
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Some of the above is common sense. But God does speak to us directly sometimes. It is to protect us and save us from the things that could hurt us or over power us. Your imagination cannot predict the future and it certainly cannot warn you of danger.
May be you should be asking why you never heard God speak.
Maybe your blow's not strong enough ?!!?!?!!?
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“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing."
It goes on and on doesn't it. People not wanting to know God.
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“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing."
It goes on and on doesn't it. People not wanting to know God.
Don't blame them.
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“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing."
It goes on and on doesn't it. People not wanting to know God.
How does one get to want to know God exactly?
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If the Biblical god exists, it isn't an entity you would want to be acquainted with. If you read the Bible without wearing roses tinted spectacles you would realise the deeds attributed to it are those of an evil psycho.
when I asked an old friend of mine about god in the old testament he said 'we don't study that , we're Christians'
I'm off to pick some cherries !!!! bye
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Don't blame them.
Are you really in a position to pass judgment?
Your lack of knowledge would suggest you are not.
Sometimes Shaker, you do need a shake-up .. :)
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Because it doesn't exist is the obvious answer.
Not even educated your answer. Nothing obvious about such an answer which is just a typical void one.
You ask a question " Does God speak to you?" If you don't believe God speaks to people then for what logical and educated reason could you really ask the question? It cannot be to gleam knowledge because you cannot reason or produce an educated answer to anyone who actually believes God does. Should you really post threads when you have no logical purpose or reason for doing so? This is clearly shown in your replies.
A good response Sassy, but it is based on properties of truth, so don't expect Floo to have a clue about what you are saying!
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A good response Sassy, but it is based on properties of truth, so don't expect Floo to have a clue about what you are saying!
Then be a good chap and list these properties: then we can explore them one by one.
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Like Sass you don't have a clue what you are talking about either. You both state as fact things which are only a matter of belief.
And is this a matter of your belief (or your opinion), or can you back it up to show that it is indeed fact?
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And is this a matter of your belief (or your opinion), or can you back it up to show that it is indeed fact?
That's your job, old fruit ;)
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Please outline your beliefs floo.
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And is this a matter of your belief (or your opinion), or can you back it up to show that it is indeed fact?
You seem to be begging the question (a fallacy) in presuming that beliefs and/or opinions require 'facts': they don't, and this is especially the case where someone has absence of beliefs in x.
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And is this a matter of your belief (or your opinion), or can you back it up to show that it is indeed fact?
c'mon Sword , give us something, ANYTHING , then we can all shut the fuck up !!!!!!!
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Please outline your beliefs floo.
Can't speak for Floo but for me:
I believe, I believe what the old man said
Though I know that there's no lord above
I believe in me, I believe in you
And you know I believe in love
I believe in truth though I lie a lot
I feel the pain from the push and shove
No matter what you put me through
I'll still believe in love
(Sorry couldn't resist)
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"I believe in miracles
where you from
you sexy thing, sexy thing, you."
I'm sorry, I have no evidence for this.
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"I believe in miracles
where you from
you sexy thing, sexy thing, you."
I'm sorry, I have no evidence for this.
very kind of ya, ........ Yorkshire mate , Yorkshire. ;)
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"Do you believe in life after love
I can feel something inside me say
I really don't think you're strong enough
Do you believe in life after love
I can feel something inside me say
I really don't think you're strong enough"
Cher
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'Well, I believe in the soul. The cock, the pussy, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing AstroTurf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days."
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NS,
'Well, I believe in the soul. The cock, the pussy, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing AstroTurf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days."
A typical weekend in the Nearly household?
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NS,
A typical weekend in the Nearly household?
dear Dawks, even half of that would take me a half a year now.
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I believe that children are our future.
Teach them well, and let them lead the way.
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I believe I can fly
I believe I can touch the sky
I think about it every night and day
Spread my wings and fly away
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Ibuleve speed relief max strength.
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"I'm prepared to believe that things go better with Coke.
And that the Ayatollah tells a darn good knock-knock joke.
I believe that some folks can hear what Bugs Bunny is saying.
And that Salt Lake City is a real nice place to stay in.
I believe that JR really loves Sue Ellen
I believe that things sound better when you're yelling
And I believe that the devil is ready to repent
But I can't believe Ronald Reagan is president.”
Innocent days!!!
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A good response Sassy, but it is based on properties of truth, so don't expect Floo to have a clue about what you are saying!
Here's that 'properties of truth' again. Is this just your latest catch-phrase from your Primer of Thoughts from the Great Philosophers?
Here's a property of truth to consider: is it possible for Christ to be both God the Son and also not God the Son? With reference to Sassy, think well before you answer.
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Some Christians claim that god is speaking directly to them, what exactly do they mean by that? How do they know it is god and not their imagination playing tricks?
My late mother-in-law believed she and god were on speaking terms and great buddies. ::) God was apparently in agreement with her about everything including which clothes were suitable to wear, and which TV programmes to watch. ;D
Can't say 'speech' was the predominant characteristic of what I took to be my two epiphanies many years ago (and those two separated by ten years). More like revelations accompanied by huge emotion.
Ironically, they were associated with very different religious systems.
I have other explanations for such theistic experiences these days.
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A good response Sassy, but it is based on properties of truth, so don't expect Floo to have a clue about what you are saying!
I see you got the usual 'head in sand' like the proverbial Ostrich because she hasn't an answer and thinks no one else will notice it.
Floo, is the only person here who hasn't realised she hasn't a clue about anything religious, even for someone who claims to
have had it rammed down her throat. Maybe her head was 'stuck in the sand' when they were trying to ram it down her throat so never got to see what was being taught rammed down her throat.
I truly thought she would have had a least some idea even basic.
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Quote from: Floo on October 03, 2017, 11:57:16 AM
Some Christians claim that god is speaking directly to them, what exactly do they mean by that? How do they know it is god and not their imagination playing tricks?
My late mother-in-law believed she and god were on speaking terms and great buddies. ::) God was apparently in agreement with her about everything including which clothes were suitable to wear, and which TV programmes to watch. ;D
Some of the above is common sense. But God does speak to us directly sometimes. It is to protect us and save us from the things that could hurt us or over power us. Your imagination cannot predict the future and it certainly cannot warn you of danger.
May be you should be asking why you never heard God speak.
Floo
Re: Does god speak to you?
« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2017, 01:50:29 PM »
Quote from: Sassy on October 07, 2017, 01:48:01 PM
Some of the above is common sense. But God does speak to us directly sometimes. It is to protect us and save us from the things that could hurt us or over power us. Your imagination cannot predict the future and it certainly cannot warn you of danger.
May be you should be asking why you never heard God speak.
Floo.
Because it doesn't exist is the obvious answer.[/quote]
I believe these two posts support everything that I and Sword of the Spirit has said.
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Here's that 'properties of truth' again. Is this just your latest catch-phrase from your Primer of Thoughts from the Great Philosophers?
Well, at least we might get a bit less of his "what an answer might look like", an irritating bit of faux-naivete that he pinched from the more tiresome type of philosopher.
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You accuse me of being clueless, when your posts don't exactly come over as you having any understanding of what you are talking about! ::)
You see the problem with your answer? Oh NO your head still stuck in the proverbial sand.
You see floo, the fact I can quote scripture shows I know it.
My understanding is God taught and the only thing people disagree with me about is the one thing the scriptures do not confirm for the other people who do not agree..
Hence the scriptures show what I say to be right but the others have adopted a teaching not God or Christ taught.
You cannot even answer with scripture and show no understanding of what others quote from scripture.
The facts are plain. Even now you show nothing but ignorance. :(
The sad part about it, is no one is willing to tell you the truth that is an atheist. A lot of atheist settle for beliefs without needing proof. They are find till someone questions their system. Because their system is simply repeating what they have learned from others as the going round in circles show. I feel sorry for you because you need honesty not unconditional support when wrong.
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You see the problem with your answer? Oh NO your head still stuck in the proverbial sand.
You see floo, the fact I can quote scripture shows I know it.
My understanding is God taught and the only thing people disagree with me about is the one thing the scriptures do not confirm for the other people who do not agree..
Hence the scriptures show what I say to be right but the others have adopted a teaching not God or Christ taught.
You cannot even answer with scripture and show no understanding of what others quote from scripture.
The facts are plain. Even now you show nothing but ignorance. :(
The sad part about it, is no one is willing to tell you the truth that is an atheist. A lot of atheist settle for beliefs without needing proof. They are find till someone questions their system. Because their system is simply repeating what they have learned from others as the going round in circles show. I feel sorry for you because you need honesty not unconditional support when wrong.
you appear to think quoting the bible equates to knowledge , it doesn't . And in so doing you hold yourself up to ridicule .Ignorance of the things you find important is irrelevant until you can prove what you believe to be true.
I couldn't care less about the bible , I've read it and rejected it .
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you appear to think quoting the bible equates to knowledge , it doesn't .
An ignorant assumption and to be honest you don't have the knowledge and understanding of scripture to debate anything I have said or prove me wrong. THINK should you be replying? Blind leading the blind comes to mind.
And in so doing you hold yourself up to ridicule
Foolish assumption and showing yourself as being ridiculed by your own words.
You see being called ridiculous by the ignorant is pot calling kettle black,
You see if you want to take something I have posted from scripture and prove I was wrong in my understanding of it you might have a chance. But the truth is you can't, have never been able to and too ignorant of scripture and the teaching of God to do so.
Your glass house has all it's windows broken.
.Ignorance of the things you find important is irrelevant until you can prove what you believe to be true.
I couldn't care less about the bible , I've read it and rejected it .
You have to resort to insult because you have nothing to support anything you say. Your own posts prove to the learned that you are ignorant and have nothing but insult and no back up for what you say...
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An ignorant assumption and to be honest you don't have the knowledge and understanding of scripture to debate anything I have said or prove me wrong. THINK should you be replying? Blind leading the blind comes to mind.
Foolish assumption and showing yourself as being ridiculed by your own words.
You see being called ridiculous by the ignorant is pot calling kettle black,
You see if you want to take something I have posted from scripture and prove I was wrong in my understanding of it you might have a chance. But the truth is you can't, have never been able to and too ignorant of scripture and the teaching of God to do so.
Your glass house has all it's windows broken.
You have to resort to insult because you have nothing to support anything you say. Your own posts prove to the learned that you are ignorant and have nothing but insult and no back up for what you say...
ok , have it your way if it makes you feel good . It would be cruel of me to continue .
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You are being just as insulting; your posts don't appear to should any actual knowledge just your opinion.
Pot, meet kettle; kettle, meet pot.
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An ignorant assumption and to be honest you don't have the knowledge and understanding of scripture to debate anything I have said or prove me wrong. THINK should you be replying? Blind leading the blind comes to mind.
Foolish assumption and showing yourself as being ridiculed by your own words.
You see being called ridiculous by the ignorant is pot calling kettle black,
You see if you want to take something I have posted from scripture and prove I was wrong in my understanding of it you might have a chance. But the truth is you can't, have never been able to and too ignorant of scripture and the teaching of God to do so.
Your glass house has all it's windows broken.
You have to resort to insult because you have nothing to support anything you say. Your own posts prove to the learned that you are ignorant and have nothing but insult and no back up for what you say...
"because you have nothing to support anything you say. Your own posts prove to the learned that you are ignorant and have nothing but insult and no back up for what you say...".
Couldn't help noticing this line of your post 56 on this thread Sass, have you started to write to yourself now?
ippy
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You accuse me of being clueless, when your posts don't exactly come over as you having any understanding of what you are talking about! ::)
Floo, Floo, Floo.
Your cluelessness is demonstrated by the fact you cannot understand what Sassy is talking about.
Don't you get tired of posting on a daily basis, confirming your ignorance of all things Christian?
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Along with Sass you tend to make it up your own version of the faith. ::)
Says the person who doesn't believe that Jesus rose from the dead, and then asks about why He didn't appear to his mother! You couldn't make it up!!
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Says the person who doesn't believe that Jesus rose from the dead, and then asks about why He didn't appear to his mother! You couldn't make it up!!
The whole concept of a hypothetical is entirely alien to you, isn't it?
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Floo, Floo, Floo.
Your cluelessness is demonstrated by the fact you cannot understand what Sassy is talking about.
Floo is not alone in that regard.
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Says the person who doesn't believe that Jesus rose from the dead, and then asks about why He didn't appear to his mother! You couldn't make it up!!
Talking of making things up: how have you assessed the risk that the Jesus rising from the dead claim isn't made up?
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You are being just as insulting; your posts don't appear to show any actual knowledge, just your opinion.
Is this your opinion, or is it based on knowledge?
At what point does your subjective opinion about what Sassy & other Christians write become fact?
What makes you think you are right and they are wrong?
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Is this your opinion, or is it based on knowledge?
At what point does your subjective opinion about what Sassy & other Christians write become fact?
What makes you think you are right and they are wrong?
So you agree that you and Sassy are being subjective just like Floo.
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Floo, Floo, Floo.
Your cluelessness is demonstrated by the fact you cannot understand what Sassy is talking about.
...he offered his opinion, subjectively.
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...he offered his opinion, subjectively.
With the usual patronising condescension!! :)
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All have a dig at SofTS.
But not one of you are being true to yourselves or doing Floo, any real favours.
You don't have to be a scholar to know how far off the mark, Floo is, when it comes to the bible or Jesus Christ and the Christian faith.
The truth is, that all Floo claims about her childhood, she had no true knowledge about the bible or Jesus and God.
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All have a dig at SofTS.
But not one of you are being true to yourselves
How would you know?
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Sass you have created your own version of the Bible, which suits your POV. ::)
Come back when you back up your accusations with actual knowledge and proof. Be waiting more than 120 days. Christ will be back before you even learn what you are talking about... ::) ;D
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Christ's been 'coming' for so many centuries now & he hasn't even given us a call yet !!!
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Sass you have created your own version of the Bible, which suits your POV. ::)
So have you. Your version concentrates on all the horrible bits of the Old Testament, while ignoring all the good and noble bits, and ignoring the New Testament altogether.
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YES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A VERY strange creature if it DID or, indeed, do or (mis)plan any of this.
Not something one might trust if put forward by a HUMAN, eh ??!!?!?