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Religion and Ethics Discussion => Muslim Topic => Topic started by: trippymonkey on November 02, 2017, 08:20:04 AM

Title: An interesting Article !!!
Post by: trippymonkey on November 02, 2017, 08:20:04 AM
Check this out & see if it's a good idea. Considering he's had the kids taken off him ?!?!?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/muslim-father-islam-children-religion-ordered-not-impose-judge-manchester-a8031806.html?S2ref=1602344
Title: Re: An interesting Article !!!
Post by: Walter on November 02, 2017, 02:07:57 PM
Check this out & see if it's a good idea. Considering he's had the kids taken off him ?!?!?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/muslim-father-islam-children-religion-ordered-not-impose-judge-manchester-a8031806.html?S2ref=1602344
yes, a good idea. I hope the Christian foster family are not filling their heads with their nonsense either.
Title: Re: An interesting Article !!!
Post by: Nearly Sane on November 02, 2017, 02:15:43 PM
yes, a good idea. I hope the Christian foster family are not filling their heads with their nonsense either.
Actually they are being supported in any such action by this decision.
Title: Re: An interesting Article !!!
Post by: Robbie on November 02, 2017, 09:51:22 PM
To me, the fact that the man is not allowed to have his kids shows that there is a lot more to the story than we've been told.
Title: Re: An interesting Article !!!
Post by: trippymonkey on November 03, 2017, 07:46:04 AM
YES !! As I said in the OP...
Title: Re: An interesting Article !!!
Post by: Walter on November 03, 2017, 11:15:26 AM
To me, the fact that the man is not allowed to have his kids shows that there is a lot more to the story than we've been told.
my experience of Family Courts is that they are extremely private and I understand that any reporter/news outlet who gives out any information of details discussed will be held in contempt and can be prosecuted
Title: Re: An interesting Article !!!
Post by: The Accountant, OBE, KC on November 03, 2017, 02:10:34 PM
To me, the fact that the man is not allowed to have his kids shows that there is a lot more to the story than we've been told.
What I get from this story is that Salford Children's Services is stating that the children do not consider themselves Muslim and they have not had a Muslim upbringing while they were living with their mother - as the judge said "In the light of the court’s finding as to the children’s previous upbringing, the local authority has made it clear that it does not propose to treat the children as belonging to the Muslim faith".

The father probably did not have much access to his kids when he was estranged from his wife and since her death has been to court many times to try to get custody - which is often the position fathers are in regardless of religious background if they want access to their children. If the kids genuinely don't consider themselves Muslim because of their upbringing, then the father is just going to push them further away if he keeps trying to convince them to become Muslim every time he sees them - and it will make the kids feel rejected. If he is just telling them about his beliefs and background without pressuring them, he is giving them some sense of their background and heritage, which is fine.

Not sure what to make of the allegations of domestic violence and assault - he has denied it and there has been no prosecution so not sure if they are factored into any decision by the Family Courts. 
Title: Re: An interesting Article !!!
Post by: Robbie on November 03, 2017, 04:49:40 PM
Thanks Gabriella.
I'm surprised this got into the news.