Religion and Ethics Forum
General Category => Politics & Current Affairs => Topic started by: Walt Zingmatilder on November 02, 2017, 05:45:49 PM
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Surely May has been allowed to continue through too many Crises. There are no good messages here. In view of the current situation being so far reaching May should resign and they should suspend Brexit.
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They should suspend May. Where's Mr Pierrepoint when you need him?
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Surely May has been allowed to continue through too many Crises. There are no good messages here. In view of the current situation being so far reaching May should resign and they should suspend Brexit.
Yikes, Vlad - I agree with you - as long as the latter is done democratically.
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Yikes, Vlad - I agree with you
You'd better lie down. Is there anyone responsible to keep an eye on you?
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Surely May has been allowed to continue through too many Crises. There are no good messages here. In view of the current situation being so far reaching May should resign and they should suspend Brexit.
what 'current situation'?
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You'd better lie down. Is there anyone responsible to keep an eye on you?
Mrs G is here: she looks unconcerned at the moment.
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Surely May has been allowed to continue through too many Crises. There are no good messages here. In view of the current situation being so far reaching May should resign and they should suspend Brexit.
I'm not seeing the linkage between implementing the decision of a referendum and getting a new prime minister. To me they seem two entirely discrete things.
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I'm not seeing the linkage between implementing the decision of a referendum and getting a new prime minister. To me they seem two entirely discrete things.
Well she can't be trusted with anything is the main reason. Even though I don't want BREXIT but as it's going to happen we do need someone half competent at the helm. The further problem with this is that I don't see anyone more competent waiting to take over. Basically we are stuffed.
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Well she can't be trusted with anything is the main reason. Even though I don't want BREXIT but as it's going to happen we do need someone half competent at the helm.
Well, yes, but that was my point - Vlad seemed to argue that getting a new PM was itself sufficient reason for halting Brexit.
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Well, yes, but that was my point - Vlad seemed to argue that getting a new PM was itself sufficient reason for halting Brexit.
Oh sorry - yes I see. Well that's not going to happen whether the leader is changed or not.
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I'm not seeing the linkage between implementing the decision of a referendum and getting a new prime minister. To me they seem two entirely discrete things.
It's obvious that Brexit is too big a job for a government and is either the cause of everything going to pot or a symptom of it. How not up to the job of prime minister does someone have to be?
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what 'current situation'?
Alleged Government and governing party sleaze.
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It's obvious that Brexit is too big a job for a government and is either the cause of everything going to pot or a symptom of it. How not up to the job of prime minister does someone have to be?
From the available valid candidates who do you think would be best suited for the job?
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From the available valid candidates who do you think would be best suited for the job?
Not a brexiter and nobody whose lusts has been in the spotlight or is likely to.
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Alleged Government and governing party sleaze.
I don't get what you mean by alleged govt but if the crisis you are talking about is in relation to the sexual harassment and abuse charges - it's not govt, it's across party.
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Surely May has been allowed to continue through too many Crises. There are no good messages here. In view of the current situation being so far reaching May should resign and they should suspend Brexit.
It's not up to us, or to the electorate, it's up to the men in grey suits. That's how Parliament works.
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I don't get what you mean by alleged govt but if the crisis you are talking about is in relation to the sexual harassment and abuse charges - it's not govt, it's across party.
The other parties are not in Government. The POG has, because it was politically expedient to encourage the idiosyncratic behaviour of some of it's ministers has encouraged incontinence of the sleazy, the cheesy, The easy, The queezy, the breezy, the Lusty, The Dusty, the crusty, the shitstirry and probably that of Orwell's ''anti-sex league'' at Westminster. T May has no grip on this shambles.
You can bet on it that the first action will be to make the other parties sleaze the issue rather than fucking doing anything about it.
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The other parties are not in Government. The POG has, because it was politically expedient to encourage the idiosyncratic behaviour of some of it's ministers has encouraged incontinence of the sleazy, the cheesy, The easy, The queezy, the breezy, the Lusty, The Dusty, the crusty, the shitstirry and probably that of Orwell's ''anti-sex league'' at Westminster. T May has no grip on this shambles.
You can bet on it that the first action will be to make the other parties sleaze the issue rather than fucking doing anything about it.
But obviously no one in previous govts or other parties has either. The fact that it is widespread make it a crisis of our political structures not this govt. Your sentence about 'encouraging the idiosyncratic behaviour' is barely comprehensible and is where it can be understood a mere assertion that the Tories are somehow doing something worse than the other parties without any such evidence.
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Moderator:
The title of this thread, originally 'a crisis too far', has been changed after discussion with Vlad.
Under the original title members were posting comments about the current sexual abuse stories in this thread instead of in the thread (in this same Board) created for that: 'Sexual Abuse & Prominent People'.
http://www.religionethics.co.uk/index.php?topic=14656.msg702624#new
The aim in this thread is to discuss the overall competence, or otherwise, of UK political parties or politicians.
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Boris Johnsons gaffe may mean someone has her five year Jail sentence doubled. Time for him to resign.
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Boris Johnsons gaffe may mean someone has her five year Jail sentence doubled. Time for him to resign.
As has been observed in The Road to Downing St.
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Boris Johnsons gaffe may mean someone has her five year Jail sentence doubled. Time for him to resign.
If that is the case he should certainly resign.
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Priti Patel's lack of precision or in other words lying.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41896756
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Priti Patel's lack of precision or in other words lying.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41896756
Patel is just another example of a minister out of control. May is evidently not in control and should resign
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Patel is just another example of a minister out of control. May is evidently not in control and should resign
The press release covering her lying is astounding
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/statement-from-international-development-secretary-priti-patel
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Priti Patel's lack of precision or in other words lying.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41896756
Yes I am finding it increasingly frustrating that news organisations (not solely the Beeb) are finding it difficult to use the word 'liar' in this instance.
Lack of precision applies to situations like when I was fixing a fence panel yesterday and I was told there were 10 screws ready to be used when in fact there were only 9. That's a lack of precision you fucking numpties.
Saying that somebody was aware of a situation when you hadn't actually told them about the situation makes you a liar.
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Where was Phil Hammond?
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Priti Patel's lack of precision or in other words lying.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41896756
Priti Vacant is there as totty, and is a left over from Cameron's era.
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Just wtf? Surely doomed or May is.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/07/priti-patel-wanted-to-send-aid-money-to-israeli-army-no-10-confirms?CMP=share_btn_fb
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Just wtf? Surely doomed or May is.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/07/priti-patel-wanted-to-send-aid-money-to-israeli-army-no-10-confirms?CMP=share_btn_fb
We cant have people acting like alternative prime ministers. This is a constitutional crisis. Patel pulled off what the whole of fucking Catalonia failed to. Independence!
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We cant have people acting like alternative prime ministers. This is a constitutional crisis. Patel pulled off what the whole of fucking Catalonia failed to. Independence!
Certainly a form of UDI
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It looks as if Patel is for the chop.
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Just wtf? Surely doomed or May is.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/07/priti-patel-wanted-to-send-aid-money-to-israeli-army-no-10-confirms?CMP=share_btn_fb
Wtf is about right.
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Wtf is about right.
Allegations now that May knew full well. So looks like someone is trying to discredit the Prime Minister.
I think now is shit or bust time for the ambitions of Johnson and the Brexiting right.
Nearly Sane is right May or Patel.
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Allegations now that May knew full well. So looks like someone is trying to discredit the Prime Minister.
Do you think anybody needs to try?
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Do you think anybody needs to try?
But to do it to specifically help a rogue minister?
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22,000 Apparently tracking progress of flight online from Uganda supossedly carrying Patel. Including the BBC.
Bread and Circuses?
As it get's closer I bet she is shaking in her boots.......Mrs May that is.
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BBC at Heathrow
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Mark Garnier has broken his silence.
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Allegations now that May knew full well. So looks like someone is trying to discredit the Prime Minister.
I think now is shit or bust time for the ambitions of Johnson and the Brexiting right.
Nearly Sane is right May or Patel.
If anything like this is true, May needs to resign now. She was a lame duck, this moves her to cooked goose
http://uk.businessinsider.com/theresa-may-accused-of-cover-up-secret-israel-priti-patel-meetings-2017-11
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I was going to say shambolic about the government, but that is an insult to shambles.
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She has 'resigned'. Question is still did May know?
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A Christmas election. Now that would put Theresa May into the history books!
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Whilst everything is very chaotic at present, if there was a general election before Christmas, and Labour got in, could Corbyn do any better? Somehow I doubt it, he doesn't have the support of all Labour party MPs, anymore that May has the support of all Tory MPs.
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The Poke: telegraphs downing street kids (https://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/11/08/telegraphs-downing-street-kids-pretty-spot/)
And also Matt's "Only 46 government disasters till Christmas" :)
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Whilst everything is very chaotic at present, if there was a general election before Christmas, and Labour got in, could Corbyn do any better? Somehow I doubt it, he doesn't have the support all Labour party MPs, anymore that May has the support of all Tory MPs.
For goodness sake ... you could give him a nasty shock!
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For goodness sake ... you could give him a nasty shock!
Ehhhhhhh?
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Maybe this is the only way to view this farce
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/british-cabinet-grips-fans-by-killing-off-a-character-every-week-20171109138856
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Ehhhhhhh?
ie. Is Corbyn prepared for another sudden election? Has he got a plan that people will vote for?
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ie. Is Corbyn prepared for another sudden election? Has he got a plan that people will vote for?
Surely not being Theresa May?
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ie. Is Corbyn prepared for another sudden election? Has he got a plan that people will vote for?
I doubt it. Mind you if he was prepared to scrap BREXIT, or at least have another referendum, I would be all for it.
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Allegations now that May knew full well. So looks like someone is trying to discredit the Prime Minister.
I think now is shit or bust time for the ambitions of Johnson and the Brexiting right.
Nearly Sane is right May or Patel.
Redwood has raised the proverbial head saying Patel was taken down by civil servants. The Brexit right have had a march stole from them by Nick Boles who has it seems the cunning plan for the Tory future.
The longer it takes Redwood, the Mogg, Patel et al to act the more irrelevant they become. Keunssberg seems to be backing for Boles and Patel and Others on the Brexit side have damaged the claim that Brexit equals patriotism.
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Redwood has raised the proverbial head saying Patel was taken down by civil servants. The Brexit right have had a march stole from them by Nick Boles who has it seems the cunning plan for the Tory future.
The longer it takes Redwood, the Mogg, Patel et al to act the more irrelevant they become. Keunssberg seems to be backing for Boles and Patel and Others on the Brexit side have damaged the claim that Brexit equals patriotism.
Gove and Johnson (Gohnson) have showed hand. Article on Redwood
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/news/british-lawmaker-advises-investors-to-take-their-money-out-of-the-uk/ar-BBETJwG?li=AAmiR2Z&ocid=spartandhp
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Surely May has been allowed to continue through too many Crises. There are no good messages here. In view of the current situation being so far reaching May should resign and they should suspend Brexit.
Brexit must be completed. The people have voted and the peoples wishes were clear. Nothing else is acceptable but leaving the common market completely and for good.
May, I believe was just a way of showing a U turn to get people to keep Conservative in looking for an exit.
But the truth is that there should be NO further votes just a complete exit.
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Well she can't be trusted with anything is the main reason. Even though I don't want BREXIT but as it's going to happen we do need someone half competent at the helm. The further problem with this is that I don't see anyone more competent waiting to take over. Basically we are stuffed.
The fact we are where we are today just shows us they never made plans for an exit.
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Brexit must be completed. The people have voted and the peoples wishes were clear. Nothing else is acceptable but leaving the common market completely and for good.
May, I believe was just a way of showing a U turn to get people to keep Conservative in looking for an exit.
But the truth is that there should be NO further votes just a complete exit.
Many people who voted to leave hadn't a clue what they were actually voting for, imo. I think we will be much worse off if we leave the EU.
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Brexit must be completed. The people have voted and the peoples wishes were clear. Nothing else is acceptable but leaving the common market completely and for good.
Brexit must be stopped. Events since the people voted have shown that the whgleidea is a stupid waste of time and money.
Why are you so intent on destroying our country?
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Brexit must be stopped. Events since the people voted have shown that the whgleidea is a stupid waste of time and money.
The commons accounts committee has warned of paralysis in the south east and food rotting in lorries if there is insufficient staff and equipment at ports......investment so far is practically zero or there is no trade agreement.....I.e.hard Brexit.
This comes two days after May and Davis set the date. That is criminal.
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Rees Mogg is off the blocks. Promising huge Brexit dividend if regulation/employment rights and taxes for corporations slashed and Free Trade.
Problem is though how do you have free trade if you are paying tariffs.
Stanley Johnson will be blowing Boris's trumpet on I'm a celebrity.
We will all be going ''cor ain't Boris luverly'' within two weeks.
On the other hand i'm a celebrity gives the public the opportunity to make people eat Wombat's Balls.
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Oh dear,
I forsee things going back to partying like it's April 2017 again,
May standing up on her surfboard.
Tory unity dissent having been hammered.
Patel active.
Johnson and Gove.
Johnson doing his angry bull stare thing.
I expect to see the political cycle returning with the GBP giving them another five years in 2022 because that's what we do.
Mind you May IMHO was a bit spooked by Charley Elphicke. She tried to make light of his concerns over lack of provision at Borders and ports trying to frame it as a Dover only issue.
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May still defying the odds by being utterly crap.
I think she might use the opportunity to walk away from being party leader and PM.
Looks like Damien Green in the interim.
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Rees Mogg is off the blocks. Promising huge Brexit dividend if regulation/employment rights and taxes for corporations slashed and Free Trade.
I'm sure there will be a huge dividend for people like him.
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Surely May has been allowed to continue through too many Crises. There are no good messages here. In view of the current situation being so far reaching May should resign and they should suspend Brexit.
No! they put a woman in power to yet again make her the scape goat. She should not resign and Brexit should go ahead.
The truth is no man has the backbone to stand up to the EU and she is the only one who has the guts to face and tell them as it is.
The women could do a better Job than the cowards hiding behind her skirt.
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No! they put a woman in power to yet again make her the scape goat.
You do realise that she put herself forward for the job!?
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The truth is no man has the backbone to stand up to the EU
Yes because she's doing such a grand job that she's acquiesced to every demand made by the EU. She is in such a weak position as a result of the ill-advised election SHE called that she has to rely on the DUP for "support" who then pull the rug from under her at the first opportunity.
She shows no clear direction for a strategy to leave the EU and leaves us all open to a weakened country/countries with a failing economy only surviving because people here allow themselves to be fooled by the rhetoric around austerity and therefore have the second lowest increase in salaries in Europe.
Great job she's doing.
Wake up Sassy the woman's a fucking walking disaster for us.
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You do realise that she put herself forward for the job!?
And her only competition was another woman because all the men in contention stabbed each other in the back
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Tolerated failures.
J Hunt T May NHS crisis
C Grayling taxpayers money for privatised railoperaters experiencing difficulty maintaining franchise statements
Carillion May Grayling and others
Channel Bridge suggestion in the climate defined by previous B deP Johnson
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Have had to sit down, Boris Johnson has come up with a good idea.
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Have had to sit down, Boris Johnson has come up with a good idea.
Stopped clock syndrome. Do not worry, it won't last.