Religion and Ethics Forum
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Rhiannon on December 09, 2017, 03:38:23 PM
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Absolutely nothing in this article makes me think of ‘having fun’.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/477NFD4XsDnYkNh8v5Q73Rt/the-eight-party-season-commandments
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Absolutely nothing in this article makes me think of ‘having fun’.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/477NFD4XsDnYkNh8v5Q73Rt/the-eight-party-season-commandments
Maybe it is an age thing 'cos I agree with you.
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There seems to be a message of desperation: You will enjoy yourself.
Woman's Hour isn't what it used to be.
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Commandments? FFS.
I love drinking and music as much as the next man, but that's when I choose to embrace them, not because I'm supposed to. There's nothing less fun than organised fun.
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Our Xmas Party was yesterday.
I stayed for two hours, when I realised that I was feeling p8ssed & the area manager was still about, I quietly slipped away.
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Commandments? FFS.
I love drinking and music as much as the next man, but that's when I choose to embrace them, not because I'm supposed to. There's nothing less fun than organised fun.
Usually because it is the organiser's idea of exactly what constitutes fun?
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Precisely.
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Not always the organiser’s, certainly other people’s.
I haven’t been hung over since I was about 15. Feeling like I had got a combination of d&v and early menopausal night sweats wasn’t hugely enjoyable, as I recall.
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Ooooh, don't remind me (plus terminal influenza).
No it isn't just you Rhi. Strikes me as a group of people with nothing much to do trying to think up something Christmassy - and failing.
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Ok, so here's another one.
Why has 'to gift' suddenly become a thing? 'I gifted him some socks'. Wtf?
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I hate that distortion of the English language - gifted and gifting. I see it everywhere! Honestly, drives me potty.
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I hate that distortion of the English language - gifted and gifting. I see it everywhere! Honestly, drives me potty.
It is just another sign of American taking over from English - like in football, players no lonbger "score", they "net", and they no longer "pass", they "assist"!
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I didn't realise it was an American import.
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I think some of the commandments are pretty reasonable:
- don't run out of booze
- get the music right
- get the guest list right, although, personally, I would count having Kanye West singing as a failure
- drink responsibly
- don't forget to go home
All seem pretty reasonable to me. Some of the text in between was pretty cringe worthy though. I wonder how many times you can tell people
"I’ve just had an invite for my friend’s 50th next June and I got that two months ago, so this person’s very, very keen, he wants to make sure everyone is going and there are no excuses. It’s Noel Gallagher. He’s very, very organised"
before one of them punches you in your smug little face (where "you" is Fran Cutler).
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I didn't realise it was an American import.
It is the process which is American - creating a verbal form from a noun. It seems that an individual who cannot bring the appropriate verb to mind at any particular moment produces a construction which he or she hopes will be immediately understood.
I could fill pages with American usage I dislike - such as the New York-Italian pronunciation of "harass". George Bernard Shaw said that the USA and Britain were two nations divided by a single language and the Gershwin brothers wrote a song essentially about British and American English differences.
I have heard - but require confirmation of this - that some American usage is 17th century English usage which does not reflect changes which have occurred in "British" English usage (eg gotten and dove for got and dived). One thing that "British" users of English should remember, however, is that our usage of English was effectively hi-jacked by an "invented" dialect - received pronunciation (RP).
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Tbh the ‘Commandments’ (ie tips) bit I don’t mind. It’s the idea that getting drunk and therefore hungover is ‘fun’, aligned with the idea that it isn’t ‘fun’ if you are sober.
I found the Fran Cutler thing horrifyingly funny, best thing about the piece.
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I cannot understand how anyone could claim getting drunk is fun, especially if it results in a ghastly hangover.
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I have an acquaintance who apparently believes in his immunity from the effects of alcohol. He enjoys drinking wine and aperitifs and their consumption is an important component in his social life. Whenever possible, I offer to drive when we go for a meal and then refrain from everything bar one glass of wine (this has the added benefit of reducing the cost of a night out). The alternative is to share a car with someone who has consumed the equivalent of at least one bottle of wine.
I enjoy alcoholic drinks when I have them but do not seek them out. I do not drink at home - I live alone and perceive the consumption of alcohol as a social activity. When I was (much) younger I did occasionally get drunk, and very occasionally very drunk. But that was then.
Were I never to have another alcoholic drink in my life, I would not miss it.
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I cannot understand how anyone could claim getting drunk is fun, especially if it results in a ghastly hangover.
If you've never done it you're unlikely to know.
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I have an acquaintance who apparently believes in his immunity from the effects of alcohol. He enjoys drinking wine and aperitifs and their consumption is an important component in his social life. Whenever possible, I offer to drive when we go for a meal and then refrain from everything bar one glass of wine (this has the added benefit of reducing the cost of a night out). The alternative is to share a car with someone who has consumed the equivalent of at least one bottle of wine.
I enjoy alcoholic drinks when I have them but do not seek them out. I do not drink at home - I live alone and perceive the consumption of alcohol as a social activity. When I was (much) younger I did occasionally get drunk, and very occasionally very drunk. But that was then.
Were I never to have another alcoholic drink in my life, I would not miss it.
I enjoy a glass of a decent wine occasionally, but like you if I never touched alcohol again I wouldn't miss it.
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If you've never done it you're unlikely to know.
A fact for which I am more than grateful, having witnessed the affect of over indulgence of alcohol on other people.
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I'm sorry floo you are wrong. I have had some good times when drunk. I doubt I could do it now due to age but in the past. An occasion in Berwick upon Tweed laying down on the castle (?)walls at 2 in the morning marvelling at the number of stars and singing a medley of beatles songs with my friend Alison stands out as something that absolutely would not have happened but for intoxicstion. Iregret nothing about that night not even the subsequent hangover.
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I would be perfectly happy to lie on castle walls singing far too loudly without being drunk. I realise this may be cause for some concern.
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A fact for which I am more than grateful, having witnessed the affect of over indulgence of alcohol on other people.
It's the effect of over indulgence (whatever that may be) on me that's important.
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It's the effect of over indulgence (whatever that may be) on me that's important.
That is very sad, imo. :(
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As I was saying in #18 ...
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Depends if someone is an aggressive, abusive drunk. If so then the effects of that person’s drinking on others actually becomes crucial.
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Depends if someone is an aggressive, abusive drunk. If so then the effects of that person’s drinking on others actually becomes crucial.
And if they're not, they can absolutely delightful.
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Too much alcohol can cause serious liver problems.
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And if they're not, they can absolutely delightful.
So if soneone beats someone up, that's balanced by you enjoying some one else's capering?
Where does one procure your obviously very precise Felicific Calculator?
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Too much alcohol can cause serious liver problems.
Driving kills people every day.
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So if soneone beats someone up, that's balanced by you enjoying some one else's capering?
Yes. Especially my own. You may recall that Rhiannon said: "Depends if someone is an aggressive, abusive drunk. If so then the effects of that person’s drinking on others actually becomes crucial," which is obviously true. What I said was equally obviously true. Since I'm not an aggressive and abusive drunk, nor do I know anyone who is, I don't see what the behaviour of those who are has to do with me or why it should impact on my non-aggressive and non-abusive enjoyment. I'm responsible for my behaviour, not somebody else's.
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Because the ‘isn’t drinking fun’ culture encourages the excesses of the abusive drunks, maybe?
True story: doctors says to a man, you deserve a drink tonight. Man gets drunk, abuses wife and kids, says it’s ok, the doctor told him drinking’s fine.
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Because the ‘isn’t drinking fun’ culture encourages the excesses of the abusive drunks, maybe?
True story: doctors says to a man, you deserve a drink tonight. Man gets drunk, abuses wife and kids, says it’s ok, the doctor told him drinking’s fine.
Drinking is fun. It's supposed to be. That's what it's for. Since a majority of the population drink alcohol in some form and to some extent, and since the vast majority of that majority manage to do so without causing a nuisance to others, I'm not seeing much mileage in the argument from marginal cases.
In your true story, what's the problem - the drinking or the abusive behaviour? Because most manage the former without the latter. Going by the age-old principle of in vino veritas (i.e. drinking may bring out what's already there rather than creates what isn't) the problem with abusive drunks is that they're abusive dicks and likely to be so drunk or sober or any point in between. Between the abusive drunk and the equally abusive teetotaller, what's the latter's excuse?
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Driving kills people every day.
..ban it I say, ban it!
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..ban it I say, ban it!
et cetera, ad very much nauseam in today's nannyish world, unfortunately :(
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et cetera, ad very much nauseam in today's nannyish world, unfortunately :(
..oooh and Latin. Ban that also. ;)
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Yes, likely so, probably on the grounds that it discriminates against and causes psychological trauma and emotional damage to thick kids, no doubt.
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People who are not naturally aggressive can become very aggressive after too much drink. They can also be reckless and act stupidly which could be dangerous for them if not for anyone else, make complete fools of themselves saying whatever comes into their mind, embarrassing everyone around them. Drinking to excess is not fun, it takes experience to know your limits.
A little alcohol is relaxing. Some don't know when to stop.
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It is a thorny issue this one of alcohol, although it is not restricted to that one substance.
I have very mixed feelings on it. As I posted earlier intoxication to a certain level has provided some very good times. I don't even know where to begin a story about a Warsaw gay club and an Italian, an American and a Polish man and me. And before the sniggerers at the back of the classroom start it wasn't that sort of encounter. However it finished with us watching the sun come up whilst sat in Lazienki Park drinking vodka and smelling roses.
How much music was/is written under the influence of drugs of various kinds. Literature, the arts in general do use drugs as a tool to further creativity, are they right to do so because it might be bad for them?
But, I am conflicted. On another post I wrote about the stresses alcohol consumption places on society, in particular on the NHS. I don't know what the answer is - but I do know that banning it isn't the answer.
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Very thoughtful post Trent and you're right that banning is not the answer. Can you not just imagine the black market and private parties that would go on if alcohol was banned (?might be fun?). We have enough of that already with illegal drugs.
Drinking responsibility and occasionally is fine, there would be no problems if everyone did that. There is a school of thought that introducing a little alcohol to children with dinner teaches them to drink responsibly because they see it as just part of normal life. I don't know about that, plenty of adults don't drink with their dinner regularly, maybe only if they have friends round. It's a difficult one.
The description of your youthful experiences was hilarious, happy memories too. I had some. The problem is when people are still getting wasted in middle age!
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Very thoughtful post Trent and you're right that banning is not the answer. Can you not just imagine the black market and private parties that would go on if alcohol was banned (?might be fun?). We have enough of that already with illegal drugs.
Drinking responsibility and occasionally is fine, there would be no problems if everyone did that. There is a school of thought that introducing a little alcohol to children with dinner teaches them to drink responsibly because they see it as just part of normal life. I don't know about that, plenty of adults don't drink with their dinner regularly, maybe only if they have friends round. It's a difficult one.
The description of your youthful experiences was hilarious, happy memories too. I had some. The problem is when people are still getting wasted in middle age!
You only have to look back about 100 years to the U S and Prohibition to see what is likley yp happen if any form of Prohibition is introduced to the UK - especially in Scotland!
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I can imagine tea parties - maybe in garages - could be fun, Owlswing? Especially if music is good.
I'm a bit old at 57 for that sort of thing & have no financial interest but have no doubt, when something is forbidden, it is seen as glamourous!
I hadn't had a drink for more than two weeks, had digestive upset. Ended now! Hic, cheers Owly!
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I can imagine tea parties - maybe in garages - could be fun, Owlswing? Especially if music is good.
I'm a bit old at 57 for that sort of thing & have no financial interest but have no doubt, when something is forbidden, it is seen as glamourous!
I hadn't had a drink for more than two weeks, had digestive upset. Ended now! Hic, cheers Owly!
A bit old at 57
You're only a babe, I'm 71 and there are some older than that on here, though I'm not sure they will be happy to supply details!
I hadn't had a drink for more than two weeks
You lucky bugger! I haven't had a proper drink for 20 years! I'm diabetic and am only "allowed" a sip at each of the 21 regular rituals.