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General Category => Politics & Current Affairs => Topic started by: Anchorman on January 22, 2018, 06:32:57 PM

Title: Thisle mak ye think.........
Post by: Anchorman on January 22, 2018, 06:32:57 PM
 I can just see May singing "Scots wha Hae", or "Such a parcel o rogues in a nation"..... https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/theresa-may-to-host-burns-supper-at-downing-street-1-4668370
Title: Re: Thisle mak ye think.........
Post by: Nearly Sane on January 22, 2018, 06:39:04 PM
I can't see anything wrong with this, even if I suspect she's never read a word of Burns to this point. It's the sort of thing PMs do, and a bit less rough than some past wooing.
Title: Re: Thisle mak ye think.........
Post by: Anchorman on January 22, 2018, 06:53:14 PM
Reading other articles apart from the Hootsmon, May is trying to stree the british nature of Burns. One can argue for or against his stance on the union; I'd argue that, given several poems and songs written against it, plus several references in letters, he was opposed - possibly a Jacobite sympathiser (not that the Jacobites were in any way nationalist). If anything he was a Scots internationalist, given his sympathies with revolutionary France and America - which were not on the Government's Christmas card list. To Claim him as a 'british' poet is stretching things a bit much. I'm not a Burns devotee, by the way - I prefer Hogg or Ferguson as poets contemporary to Burns. Given my location, I try to keep that quiet at this time of year!
Title: Re: Thisle mak ye think.........
Post by: Nearly Sane on January 22, 2018, 07:02:49 PM
I can see it now, The Immortal Memory of Burns like a super sleuth excise man ready to protect our shores with a cape and a big shirt saying SB, making sure whisky was legal and nae furriners get in. No doubt he will e claimed as an ancestor of that arch capitalist Montgomery Burns. There's no reason that given the Tories mistakenly claim Adam Smith as one of theirs, that Burns shouldn't get the treatment.


Title: Re: Thisle mak ye think.........
Post by: Rhiannon on January 22, 2018, 07:04:55 PM
I'm thinking about more important things, like the probable closure of nearly half of women's refuges and how people are supposed to eat well when they cant afford to boil the kettle. But hey, each to their own.

And yes, I know that's a derail, but ffs.
Title: Re: Thisle mak ye think.........
Post by: Nearly Sane on January 22, 2018, 07:13:58 PM
I'm thinking about more important things, like the probable closure of nearly half of women's refuges and how people are supposed to eat well when they cant afford to boil the kettle. But hey, each to their own.

And yes, I know that's a derail, but ffs.
That there are indeed a million and nine more important things doesn't mean that anyone commenting on a less important subject can't or doesn't care about those as well. 
Title: Re: Thisle mak ye think.........
Post by: Rhiannon on January 22, 2018, 07:14:37 PM
That there are indeed a million and nine more important things doesn't mean that anyone commenting on a less important subject can't or doesn't care about those as well.

No, I get that.

Just feeling angry at the moment.
Title: Re: Thisle mak ye think.........
Post by: Nearly Sane on January 22, 2018, 07:23:35 PM
No, I get that.

Just feeling angry at the moment.

Can understand that. Meanwhile we have Lib Dem MSPs writing to Ofcom about the SNP having a man called Davey with a beard and glasses in a PPB because it's aTrumpian attempt to close down free speech.


http://www.thenational.scot/news/15867166.LibDem_MSP_who_complained_about_SNP_s__David_Torrance__video__gives_numpties_a_bad_name_/
Title: Re: Thisle mak ye think.........
Post by: jeremyp on January 22, 2018, 07:29:11 PM
Can understand that. Meanwhile we have Lib Dem MSPs writing to Ofcom about the SNP having a man called Davey with a beard and glasses in a PPB because it's aTrumpian attempt to close down free speech.


http://www.thenational.scot/news/15867166.LibDem_MSP_who_complained_about_SNP_s__David_Torrance__video__gives_numpties_a_bad_name_/
Isn't the complaint that the actor whose character is called "Davey" bears a resemblance to a political commentator called David Torrance?
Title: Re: Thisle mak ye think.........
Post by: Nearly Sane on January 22, 2018, 07:35:31 PM
Isn't the complaint that the actor whose character is called "Davey" bears a resemblance to a political commentator called David Torrance?
No, that's the explanation for why it is a Trumpian attempt to shut down dissent. I'll see if I can get something that covers the complaint in derail and the whole twitterstorm of nonsense. Personally I think it was a cunning plan to hide the news that the new Scotland manager will be a robot called Fabio

ETA see below


https://www.scotsman.com/news/snp-rejects-claims-of-trump-like-mocking-of-david-torrance-1-4666314
Title: Re: Thisle mak ye think.........
Post by: Rhiannon on January 22, 2018, 08:40:08 PM
Having a robot for manager means that the SFA will never have to dodge any awkward questions about worm eating.
Title: Re: Thisle mak ye think.........
Post by: Anchorman on January 22, 2018, 09:26:20 PM
I'm thinking about more important things, like the probable closure of nearly half of women's refuges and how people are supposed to eat well when they cant afford to boil the kettle. But hey, each to their own.

And yes, I know that's a derail, but ffs.



Actually, not much of a derail.
Burns seemed to have an enlightened attitude to women....and, yes, I know his activities in that department were....vigorous....but his general attitude to women seems to be at variance with the situation in britain amongst the literate classes at the time.
Title: Re: Thisle mak ye think.........
Post by: Nearly Sane on January 23, 2018, 03:13:47 PM
Good to know there is an eye for detail



https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/number-10-mocked-over-gaffe-filled-burns-night-guest-list-1-4669209/amp
Title: Re: Thisle mak ye think.........
Post by: Anchorman on January 23, 2018, 03:20:31 PM
A wee article from the Herald commenting on a letter Burns wrote - giving his views on the rsult of union. http://www.heraldscotland.com/opinion/13055474.Burns_was_not_a_poster_boy_for_the_Union__He_was_a_true_patriot/