Religion and Ethics Forum
Religion and Ethics Discussion => Philosophy, in all its guises. => Topic started by: Nearly Sane on March 30, 2018, 01:42:29 PM
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Interesting article from Ezra Klein
https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2018/3/27/15695060/sam-harris-charles-murray-race-iq-forbidden-knowledge-podcast-bell-curve
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Being different is not the same as being superior/inferior! Admitting to the former as a fact of nature, is not the same as agreeing to the latter.
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That is interesting Sririam.
(Btw Sam Harris & Jordan Peterson are at the O2 on 16th July this year:- https://www.theo2.co.uk/events/detail/sam-harris-jordan-peterson-douglas-murray
My nephew told me at lunch today, he and his brother are going with two friends. I'll be away on holiday then but will listen to podcast.)
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...And far too much is being made of so called IQ.
Also, seeing that we share 99% of our genes with all other humans and 96% with chimps....clearly similarities and differences in gene sequences don't seem to amount to much in terms of phenotypes. Its the way different genes behave...the gene expression.... that seems to count.
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...And far too much is being made of so called IQ.
It ‘s never been completely clear to me what IQ is supposed to measure. So far as I can tell, it’s the ability to do certain puzzles designed to quantify your IQ.
Also, seeing that we share 99% of our genes with all other humans and 96% with chimps.....
This is meaningless. A blue eyed person and a brown eyed person share a gene for eye colour. In fact they both have two genes for eye colour and it is possible that one of those genes is identical. The other gene may differ by only one base pair in a hundred leading to 99.5% identocal DNA and yet totally different colour eyes.
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It ‘s never been completely clear to me what IQ is supposed to measure. So far as I can tell, it’s the ability to do certain puzzles designed to quantify your IQ.
I think that this is probably close enough - " IQ is what IQ tests measure ".
My recollection (from my undergraduate days of nearly 50 years ago) is that IQ tests had a couple of sources.
In France Alfred Binet was concerned with the comparative intellectual development of children - so he established benchmarks for different ages during the educational progression. A 10 year old child who typically demonstrates the performance of the generality of 10 year old children has an IQ around 100.
In the USA there was a different emphasis. They were looking at criminals and people in psychiatric institutions and attempting to see whether intelligence was a factor in incarceration.
Intelligence is clearly a much more complex phenomenon that IQ tests imply. However, if you have an IQ of 132 or more, as measured on the Stanford-Binet test, you can join Mensa. Its objectives are:
"to identify and to foster human intelligence for the benefit of humanity;
to encourage research into the nature, characteristics, and uses of intelligence;
and to provide a stimulating intellectual and social environment for its members"
So IQ measures the likelihood of becoming a member of Mensa!
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So IQ measures the likelihood of becoming a member of Mensa!
If 132 is the threshold, my IQ is high enough to join Mensa (or it was when it was last measured 40 years ago), but the likelihood of me joining is zero.
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If 132 is the threshold, my IQ is high enough to join Mensa (or it was when it was last measured 40 years ago), but the likelihood of me joining is zero.
Me too, but for different reasons!