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Religion and Ethics Discussion => Christian Topic => Topic started by: Nearly Sane on April 17, 2018, 02:01:06 PM

Title: Exorcism classes
Post by: Nearly Sane on April 17, 2018, 02:01:06 PM
Next week 'Is a witch heavier than a duck?'


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43697573
Title: Re: Exorcism classes
Post by: Walt Zingmatilder on April 17, 2018, 03:12:46 PM
What fun!!!!!! ::)

Someone, who reckoned they were a Christian exorcist, took it upon themselves to try to rid our previous property of 'demons'. My husband and I thought it was hilarious, needless to say it didn't make the slightest bit of difference to the weird activity, which took place there.
You mean the antitheism continued?
Title: Re: Exorcism classes
Post by: Rhiannon on April 18, 2018, 09:55:06 AM
Next week 'Is a witch heavier than a duck?'


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43697573

Some people get all the cool jobs.
Title: Re: Exorcism classes
Post by: Steve H on April 18, 2018, 01:44:34 PM
You get lots of exorcise in Pilates classes, I believe.
Title: Re: Exorcism classes
Post by: ippy on April 18, 2018, 02:37:59 PM
You get lots of exorcise in Pilates classes, I believe.

I don't suffer with them, thank goodness.

Regards ippy
Title: Re: Exorcism classes
Post by: Robbie on April 18, 2018, 06:05:06 PM
CofE do exorcisms too. There was a drama series on telly a while back, based on a book, called 'Midwinter of the Spirit'. Anna Maxwell Martin starred & I read the book. Most weird, can't say I enjoyed either much but years before, Martin Shaw starred in a series called 'Apparitions' which I thought was really good, suspending reality for a bit of course because I don't actually believe in possession.

From what I've read exorcisms are low key events & only carried out when all else (mental illness) is excluded. Nothing like dramatisations. It's possible someone could feel better afterwards I suppose, if they were deeply troubled and everything else has failed.
Title: Re: Exorcism classes
Post by: Nearly Sane on April 18, 2018, 07:02:55 PM
CofE do exorcisms too. There was a drama series on telly a while back, based on a book, called 'Midwinter of the Spirit'. Anna Maxwell Martin starred & I read the book. Most weird, can't say I enjoyed either much but years before, Martin Shaw starred in a series called 'Apparitions' which I thought was really good, suspending reality for a bit of course because I don't actually believe in possession.

From what I've read exorcisms are low key events & only carried out when all else (mental illness) is excluded. Nothing like dramatisations. It's possible someone could feel better afterwards I suppose, if they were deeply troubled and everything else has failed.

And it could make them feel worse and it validates those exorcism that end in death. How do you rule out mental illness?
Title: Re: Exorcism classes
Post by: Robbie on April 18, 2018, 08:52:45 PM
I don't know how anyone can NS.
It seems like a seriously dodgy business.
Title: Re: Exorcism classes
Post by: Nearly Sane on April 18, 2018, 08:58:53 PM
I don't know how anyone can NS.
It seems like a seriously dodgy business.
indeed, and it feels like the whole course is snake oil.
Title: Re: Exorcism classes
Post by: Rhiannon on April 18, 2018, 10:06:35 PM
I don’t have a problem with ‘house clearances’. I can see why it might bring some people peace of mind. It’s the casting out of demons that’s scary.
Title: Re: Exorcism classes
Post by: Nearly Sane on April 18, 2018, 10:17:50 PM
I don’t have a problem with ‘house clearances’. I can see why it might bring some people peace of mind. It’s the casting out of demons that’s scary.
Which is what all of this about.
Title: Re: Exorcism classes
Post by: Steve H on April 18, 2018, 10:22:45 PM
Yorkshire exorcist - "Never heard owt so bloody daft in all me life. Pull thisen together."
Title: Re: Exorcism classes
Post by: Robbie on April 18, 2018, 10:53:54 PM
I don’t have a problem with ‘house clearances’. I can see why it might bring some people peace of mind. It’s the casting out of demons that’s scary.

Very!
The book and television drama I mentioned earlier - 'Midwinteer of the Spirit' - was about a woman vicar who had done a deliverance ministry course, she also had a more senior exorcist as her mentor. The book gave details of her training but I can't remember now what it consisted of. To me it wasn't very entertaining so I didn't take it all in. I do wonder what those priests are going to learn & how they assess people.

Hocus pocus.
Title: Re: Exorcism classes
Post by: Robbie on April 19, 2018, 07:33:22 PM
'True Horror' on Channel 4 tonight at 10. Dramatised scenes & interviews of a family's experiences in a Welsh farmhouse from 1989-95, very unpleasant things happen, includes 'exorcism'. I will not be watching it but mention because of this thread - will be interested to hear reports from anyone who does watch the programme.
Title: Re: Exorcism classes
Post by: Nearly Sane on April 20, 2018, 05:26:34 PM
It might be worth watching on the iPlayer if we can.
iPlayer doesn't work for Channel4. You need Channel 4's app.
Title: Re: Exorcism classes
Post by: Nearly Sane on April 20, 2018, 05:34:28 PM
Oh well we won't be able to watch it then.

You can download it from here.

http://www.channel4.com
Title: Re: Exorcism classes
Post by: Nearly Sane on April 20, 2018, 05:39:03 PM
I couldn't download it onto the TV I wouldn't know how to and I might mess it up.
Ah well, I can understand that. I think it's made too difficult but I would say that even if you 'mess it up' it won't be a problem.
Title: Re: Exorcism classes
Post by: Nearly Sane on April 20, 2018, 05:48:57 PM
If I messed up the TV it would be a HUGE problem, my husband would never forgive me, that is a FACT! :o
Yes, I get that. The point is you wouldn't be able to screw up the TV. But I get that even with that it is too much of a risk. Don't suppose you could tempt your husband into trying to do it?
Title: Re: Exorcism classes
Post by: Nearly Sane on April 20, 2018, 06:43:32 PM
No he wouldn't be able to do that.
I will watch it for you then and report back.
Title: Re: Exorcism classes
Post by: Robbie on April 20, 2018, 07:02:43 PM
Can't you get All4 catch up on your laptop LR? I have difficult accessing on the TV but can always get it on laptop.

I might watch if I'm in the mood.

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/true-horror/on-demand/62853-001
Title: Re: Exorcism classes
Post by: ippy on April 20, 2018, 07:34:48 PM
Can't you get All4 catch up on your laptop LR? I have difficult accessing on the TV but can always get it on laptop.

I might watch if I'm in the mood.

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/true-horror/on-demand/62853-001

If you've got a H D M I socket on your T V Rob, treat yourself to a Fire Stick from Amazon, bit fiddly to start with but when you've got it going it works a treat, it's about £35 to £40 well worth the money in my opinion, you should be able to get all T V channels in H D as well, you just download the appropriate apps, mostly free.

Regards ippy
Title: Re: Exorcism classes
Post by: jeremyp on April 20, 2018, 07:50:27 PM
Next week 'Is a witch heavier than a duck?'


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43697573
Being pedantic, it was logically proven that a witch ways the same as a duck.
Title: Re: Exorcism classes
Post by: Nearly Sane on April 20, 2018, 07:53:02 PM
Being pedantic, it was logically proven that a witch ways the same as a duck.
Don't give the whole course away!
Title: Re: Exorcism classes
Post by: Robbie on April 20, 2018, 10:02:06 PM
If you've got a H D M I socket on your T V Rob, treat yourself to a Fire Stick from Amazon, bit fiddly to start with but when you've got it going it works a treat, it's about £35 to £40 well worth the money in my opinion, you should be able to get all T V channels in H D as well, you just download the appropriate apps, mostly free.

Regards ippy

Thanks ippy. Thinking of buying whole new TV system, we've had this one for a good few years.

I've started watching 'True Horror' episode 1, didn't realise it was a series. Slow moving so far, weird but there's bound to be some explanation for all that happened - tho' the review said it ends with a horrifying climax. It's set in the rural Wales, Brecon Beacons.
Title: Re: Exorcism classes
Post by: Nearly Sane on April 20, 2018, 10:42:09 PM
Thanks ippy. Thinking of buying whole new TV system, we've had this one for a good few years.

I've started watching 'True Horror' episode 1, didn't realise it was a series. Slow moving so far, weird but there's bound to be some explanation for all that happened - tho' the review said it ends with a horrifying climax. It's set in the rural Wales, Brecon Beacons.
There is no reason to think that such a series will provide an explanation. The very premise is that it doesn't.
Title: Re: Exorcism classes
Post by: Robbie on April 20, 2018, 10:52:44 PM
It isn't very good, a few unexplained happenings, shadowy spectral apparitions, fingers around doors - a most disturbing looking Baptist church minister (who is a quite well known exorcist), & one more ordinary. Animals in distress and injured. The man in the family, Bill, obsessed with reading about and painting things to do with 'dark arts'. Definite signs of severe mental illness/psychosis which was terrifying for his wife.

The ending was sad in a low key way.

I won't bother to watch next week which will be a different story, also set in Wales.
Title: Re: Exorcism classes
Post by: Robbie on April 21, 2018, 01:01:57 PM
Not as extensive? Did the experience drive you or your husband into mental illness (or exacerbate what was already there), violence, poverty & break up your marriage? It was more than extensive for that family even if was merely a manifestation of one person's mind and suggestibility. A horrible experience for them.
Title: Re: Exorcism classes
Post by: Harrowby Hall on April 22, 2018, 08:19:37 AM
Being pedantic, it was logically proven that a witch ways the same as a duck.

You have lost me here. Do you mean that a witch waddles like a duck?  Oh ... sorry, I've got it now, You mean weighs as much as a duck.

(You have identified yourself as a pedant, jeremyp, enjoy.)
Title: Re: Exorcism classes
Post by: Sassy on May 06, 2018, 05:19:07 AM
Next week 'Is a witch heavier than a duck?'


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43697573

Do you really need the answer to that question? ;)