Religion and Ethics Forum
General Category => Politics & Current Affairs => Topic started by: Nearly Sane on May 14, 2018, 05:39:34 PM
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Valid points, I think.
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/05/when-is-a-massacre-not-a-massacre/
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You can almost hear Newsbeat describing this as a "spot of bother"
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I think the media is tip-toeing around Israel....given the recent upaurge in reported antisemitism. The fact that Israeli brutality in this unequal struggle has diddly squat to do with Judaism is glossed over in the effort to publcise the 'democracy' of Israel....a rather skewed democracy, because, were it truly democratic, I very much doubt Netanyahu would be anywhere near power today.
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Many killed and many injured and Bibi says, "What a wonderful day...." smh..
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I think the media is tip-toeing around Israel....given the recent upaurge in reported antisemitism. The fact that Israeli brutality in this unequal struggle has diddly squat to do with Judaism is glossed over in the effort to publcise the 'democracy' of Israel....a rather skewed democracy, because, were it truly democratic, I very much doubt Netanyahu would be anywhere near power today.
Jim, the media are tip-toeing around Israel because mainstream media is Zionist controlled. Re anti-Semitism, the irony being those calling others anti-Semites are themselves the anti-Semites.... the Palestinians are the semites.
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Jim, the media are tip-toeing around Israel because mainstream media is Zionist controlled. Re anti-Semitism, the irony being those calling others anti-Semites are themselves the anti-Semites.... the Palestinians are the semites.
in what sense is the media Zionist controlled? And how do I distinguish between that and standard anti semitism?
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in what sense is the media Zionist controlled? And how do I distinguish between that and standard anti semitism?
This is a short video explaining how it works:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0T0n_FHSJow
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in what sense is the media Zionist controlled? And how do I distinguish between that and standard anti semitism?
Well people who support the state of Israel existing are sometimes labelled zionist.
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'Tragic events on the Gazan border; all civilian deaths are regrettable. Hamas must accept responsibility for these events. Their successful attempt to hijack peaceful protest as cover to attack Israeli border communities must be condemned by all who seek peace in the Middle East.'
Tweet from Labour Friends of Israel. Not entirely sure given those who are members of LFI how the party can manage a coherent position on Israel.
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This is a short video explaining how it works:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0T0n_FHSJow
Rupert Murdoch (Mr Jerry Hall), is (or was) an extremely powerful media mogul, SP, and not Jewish.
You are obsessed with people like Rothschilds. Grow up, ditch the likes of David Icke. You were all over Grace of God recently who turned out to be a wind up merchant.
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Israel is no better than the Muslim extremist mob. >:(
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Well people who support the state of Israel existing are sometimes labelled zionist.
I support the state of Israel existing.
I'd defend its' right to exist with my last breath.
Equally Isupport itreturning to its' internationally recognised borders, and the state of Palestine existing.
If I support Israel's right to exist so fervently, am I a Zionist, then?
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Israel exists, but the way it came into being was disgusting and wrong.
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Jim, the media are tip-toeing around Israel because mainstream media is Zionist controlled. Re anti-Semitism, the irony being those calling others anti-Semites are themselves the anti-Semites.... the Palestinians are the semites.
I wholeheartedly support Anchorman's position as described in post 11.
A perfectly reasonable discussion on recent and on going events is no justification for you to plug your ridiculously bigotted and unevidenced assertion that the mainstream media is Zionist controlled. You can't even face up to the fact that antisemitism is clearly and plainly a description of prejudice towards Jews. Finally you insultingly and wrongly suggest that those who call out antisemitism are antisemitic themselves, with your preposterous assumption that to do so , you have to be anti Palestinian simply because they are semites too. Nothing could be further from the truth in my case. I call others out as antisemitic if I think they are simply showing prejudice towards Jews. I have no prejudice towards the Palestinians. Indeed I have a great deal of sympathy for the position they find themselves in, and would strongly criticise Israel for what looks like to me an excessive use of force.
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I wholeheartedly support Anchorman's position as described in post 11.
A perfectly reasonable discussion on recent and on going events is no justification for you to plug your ridiculously bigotted and unevidenced assertion that the mainstream media is Zionist controlled. You can't even face up to the fact that antisemitism is clearly and plainly a description of prejudice towards Jews. Finally you insultingly and wrongly suggest that those who call out antisemitism are antisemitic themselves, with your preposterous assumption that to do so , you have to be anti Palestinian simply because they are semites too. Nothing could be further from the truth in my case. I call others out as antisemitic if I think they are simply showing prejudice towards Jews. I have no prejudice towards the Palestinians. Indeed I have a great deal of sympathy for the position they find themselves in, and would strongly criticise Israel for what looks like to me an excessive use of force.
Completely agree.
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am I a Zionist, then?
Some people would say yes.
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It's about time we stopped pussyfooting around with that vicious country, and told the fanatical Zionists, who try to illegitimise all criticism of Israel with accusations of antisemitism, Tostick their definition of antisemitism where the sun don't shine, and stop their disgraceful guilt-manipulation, which dishonours the millions of holocaust dead.
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It's about time we stopped pussyfooting around with that vicious country, and told the fanatical Zionists, who try to illegitimise all criticism of Israel with accusations of antisemitism, Tostick their definition of antisemitism where the sun don't shine, and stop their disgraceful guilt-manipulation, which dishonours the millions of holocaust dead.
I do wish you'd stop holding back. Come on say what you really think ;)
Again completely agree.
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It's about time we stopped pussyfooting around with that vicious country, and told the fanatical Zionists, who try to illegitimise all criticism of Israel with accusations of antisemitism, Tostick their definition of antisemitism where the sun don't shine, and stop their disgraceful guilt-manipulation, which dishonours the millions of holocaust dead.
"vicious country"?
Don't you mean "vicious regime"?
I can think of many Israelis - Orthodox Jews, Messianic Jews, secular Jews - wo vehemently dispute Netanyahu's policies, and totally reject Trumps idea of Jerusalem as exclusive capital of a one-state Israel.
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"vicious country"?
Don't you mean "vicious regime"?
I can think of many Israelis - Orthodox Jews, Messianic Jews, secular Jews - wo vehemently dispute Netanyahu's policies, and totally reject Trumps idea of Jerusalem as exclusive capital of a one-state Israel.
Yes, all right, "vicious regime", if you prefer.
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It's about time we stopped pussyfooting around with that vicious country, and told the fanatical Zionists, who try to illegitimise all criticism of Israel with accusations of antisemitism, Tostick their definition of antisemitism where the sun don't shine, and stop their disgraceful guilt-manipulation, which dishonours the millions of holocaust dead.
Spot on.
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Many times I meet Israeli/Jewish friends on my India trips & sometimes we chat about how the media portrays them & their supposed treatment of the so-called 'Palestinians.
One friend said 'you have no idea of what's going on from the 'Muslim' side as so much is never reported to you all in the west.'
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Many times I meet Israeli/Jewish friends on my India trips & sometimes we chat about how the media portrays them & their supposed treatment of the so-called 'Palestinians.
One friend said 'you have no idea of what's going on from the 'Muslim' side as so much is never reported to you all in the west.'
And I meet many Jewish friends who think the Israeli govt is horrendous.
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Many times I meet Israeli/Jewish friends on my India trips & sometimes we chat about how the media portrays them & their supposed treatment of the so-called 'Palestinians.
One friend said 'you have no idea of what's going on from the 'Muslim' side as so much is never reported to you all in the west.'
Wot.....such as a good proportion of Palestinians - yes, Palestinians - are not, in fact, Moslem, but Christian?
That these were treated in exactly the same way seventy years ago - kicked out of house, ho,e and church to make way for 'settlers'?
Some of these Christian communities traced their history in the area back more than fourteen centuries.
They have as much - if not more - right to the land as those who illegally occupy it today.
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It's about time we stopped pussyfooting around with that vicious country, and told the fanatical Zionists, who try to illegitimise all criticism of Israel with accusations of antisemitism, Tostick their definition of antisemitism where the sun don't shine, and stop their disgraceful guilt-manipulation, which dishonours the millions of holocaust dead.
I agree completely Steve H, with the proviso, which you have accepted, that you replace 'vicious country' with 'vicious regime'.
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Howard Jacobsen is good on the subject of Zionism. I have no problem with the concept of supporting Zionism while deploring the actions of the Israeli government.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/oct/22/be-clear-antisemitism-is-a-hate-apart
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Rupert Murdoch (Mr Jerry Hall), is (or was) an extremely powerful media mogul, SP, and not Jewish.
You are obsessed with people like Rothschilds. Grow up, ditch the likes of David Icke. You were all over Grace of God recently who turned out to be a wind up merchant.
Here is a tweet from Murdoch himself on the subject:
https://twitter.com/rupertmurdoch/status/269973016753102849?
Well, since you joined the board, Robbie, I have not mentioned the Rothchilds. So that's rather an interesting comment. Careful now, you're slipping-up. ;)
I don't follow David Icke or the like, most are disinfo shills.
As for “being all over Grace by God” I happened to agree with some of his comments. Until he posted the unsavoury thread on the Muslim board he was a refreshing change on here – not agreeing all the time with the status quo. It's quite something as well coming from someone who follows around engaging with one of the biggest WUMs on the forum.
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Enki, #13.... my post was not very clear. When I said “those calling others anti-Semitic” I was not refering to someone such as yourself, but rather the Israeli regime. Steve H has in a nutshell put very clearly my own thoughts.
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Here is a tweet from Murdoch himself on the subject:
https://twitter.com/rupertmurdoch/status/269973016753102849?
Well, since you joined the board, Robbie, I have not mentioned the Rothchilds. So that's rather an interesting comment. Careful now, you're slipping-up. ;)
I don't follow David Icke or the like, most are disinfo shills.
As for “being all over Grace by God” I happened to agree with some of his comments. Until he posted the unsavoury thread on the Muslim board he was a refreshing change on here – not agreeing all the time with the status quo. It's quite something as well coming from someone who follows around engaging with one of the biggest WUMs on the forum.
I didn't know he did that, I just found some of his posts provocative in the sense of teasing. Could be wrong! He's (or she's) gone anyway.
Have no idea what a disinfo shill is nor whether or not you've mentioned Rothchild by name, you've spoken anti-semitically before & when talking about the Jewish powers-that-be that name springs to mind, it often pops up on different websites dealing with these issues. However I should not tar you with same brush, sorry.
I've no quarrel with you nor wish to fall out Sweetpeas. These are just differences of opinion which is what discussion forums are made of.
PS:- Thanks for the Murdoch tweet. Well I never!
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Many times I meet Israeli/Jewish friends on my India trips & sometimes we chat about how the media portrays them & their supposed treatment of the so-called 'Palestinians.
One friend said 'you have no idea of what's going on from the 'Muslim' side as so much is never reported to you all in the west.'
Probably bollocks. This is what all would-be victims say: "Much is never reported". I remember someone saying that on another forum about Israeli bombing of Gaza versus Gazan Palestinians bombing of Israel. I did a quick google, and found lots of prominent reports about the latter. Of course, the grfeat advantage to propagandists of saying that much is not reported is that it's very difficult to prove otherwise.
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55 deaths have been reported.