Religion and Ethics Forum
Religion and Ethics Discussion => Theism and Atheism => Topic started by: Walt Zingmatilder on May 23, 2018, 01:16:44 PM
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What is apatheism but not allowing oneself to "go there"?
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What is apatheism but not allowing oneself to "go there"?
Show your working.
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What is apatheism but not allowing oneself to "go there"?
Go where?
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Go where?
On to the topic of religion.
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On to the topic of religion.
So when someone says let's talk about knitting, and I say 'Sorry. Just not interested', I am not allowing myself to 'go there '?
Oh and just to help you out Religion is not equal to Theism, so you seem to be confused as to what point you are attempting to try to make.
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Show your working.
To remain an apatheist you must turn away from any discussion on religion.
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Well, presumably that excludes everyone on here, or they wouldn't be members. This place is, after all, called "Religion and Ethics".
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To remain an apatheist you must turn away from any discussion on religion.
As covered in previous post Religion does not equal theism. Further non interest neither means you are somehow deliberately maintaining your non interest, e.g. I don't turn away from watching knitting programmes in YouTube or turn away from attending Plymouth Argyle football club, I am just not interested.
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Well, presumably that excludes everyone on here, or they wouldn't be members. This place is, after all, called "Religion and Ethics".
They might just be here for the ethics?
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Well, presumably that excludes everyone on here, or they wouldn't be members. This place is, after all, called "Religion and Ethics".
I agree. There are no apatheists here.
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I agree. There are no apatheists here.
I think that might depend on the definition. So far, your definition seems hopelessly confused in its equation of religion with theism, and then there is the idea of 'turning away' whereas a more generalized description is 'does not find interesting '.
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As covered in previous post Religion does not equal theism. Further non interest neither means you are somehow deliberately maintaining your mom intetest, e.g. I don't turn away from watching knitting programmes in YouTube or turn away from attending Plymouth Argyle football club to, I am just not interested.
They say football takes the place of religion.
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They say football takes the place of religion.
That's lovely for 'them', irrelevant as a reply though.
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That's lovely for 'them', irrelevant as a reply though.
I'm just wondering weather the door is shut more decisively, quickly and extensively on a purveyor of religion or a purveyor of football or whether there isn't such a thing as 'vehement disinterest'?
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I'm just wondering weather the door is shut more decisively, quickly and extensively on a purveyor of religion or a purveyor of football or whether there isn't such a thing as 'vehement disinterest'?
Sorry, not a clue about what you are trying to say here.
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Sorry, not a clue about what you are trying to say here.
That's a shame.
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I'm just wondering weather the door is shut more decisively, quickly and extensively on a purveyor of religion or a purveyor of football or whether there isn't such a thing as 'vehement disinterest'?
Someone who is 'vehemently disinterested' in something, to use your term, might ironically be 'interested' in it - since their distaste for this something might lead them to investigate it, or perhaps actively campaign against it. Perhaps a better term in some situations might be 'indifferent': for instance I'm interested in religion even though I'm not religious, but I'm utterly indifferent when it comes to football.
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That's a shame.
Indeed it is. Can you try and expand it? Football is irrelevant. Note I had used an earlier example about knitting which you ignored. Try and think about what point you want to make.
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Someone who is 'vehemently disinterested' in something, to use your term, might ironically be 'interested' in it - since their distaste for this something might lead them to investigate it, or perhaps actively campaign against it. Perhaps a better term in some situations might be 'indifferent': for instance I'm interested in religion even though I'm not religious, but I'm utterly indifferent when it comes to football.
The problem here is Vlad not being clear about terminology
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On to the topic of religion.
I don't think not being interested really means turning away.
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The problem here is Vlad not being clear about terminology
There I was just tootling along when a new category, apatheist comes along.
I suppose we're we to find an actual apatheist we could get a better understanding. Even then Hillside would pop up to veto any definition and tell apatheists at they were REALLY ABOUT.
I guess I'm working from Wikipedia definitions with qualifications.
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There I was just tootling along when a new category, apatheist comes along.
I suppose we're we to find an actual apatheist we could get a better understanding. Even then Hillside would pop up to veto any definition and tell apatheists at they were REALLY ABOUT.
I guess I'm working from Wikipedia definitions with qualifications.
Your qualifications seem to be wholesale changes to something that isn't expressed on wiki as pointed out. You didn't and haven't made it clear what you think an apatheist is, and you decide there is no apatheist on here without you making any clear definition.
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Your qualifications seem to be wholesale changes to something that isn't expressed on wiki as pointed out. You didn't and haven't made it clear what you think an apatheist is, and you decide there is no apatheist on here without you making any clear definition.
Demonstrate then how my implied working definitions of apatheism differs or Departs from the oimplied definitions of Wikipedia.
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Demonstrate then how my implied working definitions of apatheism differs or Departs from the oimplied definitions of Wikipedia.
There is nothing in the wiki definition about turning away or about there something there to turn away from. And it's about apaTHEISM which your continued talk about Religion doesn't follow. (Pointed out that last issue twice before,not sure why you ignored)
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There is nothing in the wiki definition about turning away or about there something there to turn away from. And you it's about apaTHEISM which your continued talk about Religion doesn't follow. (Pointed out that last issue twice before,not sure why you ignored)
Of course there is. Religion is a non subject for them.In a world with religion they must take physical no intellectual steps to keep themselves religion free.
They must be moving swiftly on.
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Of course there is. Religion is a non subject for them.In a world with religion they must take physical no intellectual steps to keep themselves religion free.
They must be moving swiftly on.
Knitting is not a non subject for me. I just don't take an interest in it. And again religion is not equal to theism. There are religious atheists, and non religious theists. You addressed nothing about what my post said.
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Knitting is not a non subject for me. I just don't take an interest in it. And again religion is not equal to theism. There are religious atheists, and non religious theists. You addressed nothing about what my post said.
Equating knitting with world views, eh, Sane.
Now tell me again why we should be interested in your threads concerning the SNP, Brexit, feminism and gay rights?
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Equating knitting with world views, eh, Sane.
Now tell me again why we should be interested in your threads concerning the SNP, Brexit, feminism and gay rights?
I doubt that he's told us why for the first time, or expects us to be necessarily.
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Equating knitting with world views, eh, Sane.
Now tell me again why we should be interested in your threads concerning the SNP, Brexit, feminism and gay rights?
In terms of whether someone is interested in something, then knitting is like world views, and everything else. I see you ignored the rest of the post about your ongoing confusion of theism and religion, why?
And I have no idea what your second sentence has to do with this discussion. If someone is interested in any of those topics then fine. It's a very narrow selection of the topics I do post threads on though, why was that?
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Vladdo,
I suppose we're we to find an actual apatheist we could get a better understanding. Even then Hillside would pop up to veto any definition and tell apatheists at they were REALLY ABOUT.
That’s daft. “Hillside” would only “pop up” if you got your representation of it as wrong as you get wrong your representation of pretty much everything else. A few posts ago for example you said, “To remain an apatheist you must turn away from any discussion on religion”. That’s wrong – an apatheist might well discuss it as a debating exercise, but he doesn’t care either way about the outcome (ie, whether there are god(s) or not).
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Vladdo,
That’s daft. “Hillside” would only “pop up” if you got your representation of it as wrong as you get wrong your representation of pretty much everything else. A few posts ago for example you said, “To remain an apatheist you must turn away from any discussion on religion”. That’s wrong – an apatheist might well discuss it as a debating exercise, but he doesn’t care either way about the outcome (ie, whether there are god(s) or not).
That's a bit borderline since why would an apatheist even bother with a debate on it?
Sounds like you are being a bit definitionally imperialistic.......trying to enlist them into the broad church of Hillsidian atheism.
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Vladdo,
That's a bit borderline since why would an apatheist even bother with a debate on it?
Why he might do that is irrelevant – the fact that he might and still be an apatheist is enough to correct your previous mis-statement that the apatheist "must turn away from any discussion on religion". He might choose to do that, but there's no "must" about it.
Sounds like you are being a bit definitionally imperialistic.......trying to enlist them into the broad church of Hillsidian atheism.
There’s nothing “defintionally imperialistic” about correcting your error, and it has nothing to do with my atheism either.