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Religion and Ethics Discussion => Christian Topic => Topic started by: NicholasMarks on August 19, 2018, 07:01:41 PM
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The Living-Cell
From the perspective of an All Electric Universe we can relook at all science and explore new avenues of thought that might lead to some exciting discoveries. That is what I propose doing here, using the living-cell as a model to guide us into a deeper understanding about the All-Electric Universe.
The living cell follows a number of patterns of behaviour. It can replicate itself…It can perform chemical tasks. It embraces atoms like long lost cousins. It is superabundant, being that trillions upon trillions of them are functioning in their many tasks at any one moment in time. They can go wrong…get stuck, in a circular pattern, which goes wild and uncontrollable, replicating in a fury, whilst not being controlled by any useful genetic patterning …and it can carry genetic information from one generation to the next…a tall order for one so small.
They each have science foxed, but not if we introduce an all-electric universe that obeys certain rules, and harnessing those rules for our own benefit…a must, for any who want to improve their health.
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I wouldn't dare to hazard a guess at the title of the sub-forum where the preceding belongs, but it's not Science.
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I wouldn't dare to hazard a guess at the title of the sub-forum where the preceding belongs, but it's not Science.
Agreed.
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Can't decide between Sports and Hobbies or Art and Entertainment!
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So, this "all-electric" universe. Does that mean there is no gas?
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Perhaps God went with uSwitch.
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Science is something that has logic in its reasoning. A logic which cannot be denied. Though things are often hidden in science they can be made visible by an inquisitive line of thought, using the stepping-stone technique. Such is the story behind the living-cell. There are invisible components which can only be explained by logic. No God is required in science it just helps the explorer to endure the hard to understand and complex matters that modern science leads us towards, but fails to make the correct connections with.
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For no obvious reason, the living cell keeps replicating. Looking for an answer for this cannot be explained by chemistry alone but it can by electric behaviour patterning. You see, even the simplest, single cell, living structures, do this replicating pattern and if we take a closer look, it always requires the coming together of two parts. Take away all the atomic parts...the DNA and so forth, and we can see there are two invisible electric forces coming together...pause for a while before passing through each other and then separating from each other, and in their wake leaving behind two, whole, living-cells. The replicating phases of every living-cell tell us that a vigouress force-field is at work...a tiny force field, which, like all other force fields, is invisible, just as magnetic force-fields, gravitational force-fields, the higgs force-fields, black-hole force-fields, and electric force-fields, of which, the living-cell, is the result of.
The question then must be...Do these force-fields have a similar history...and can their combined stories tell us anything about the living-cell, and the answer is yes.
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I wouldn't dare to hazard a guess at the title of the sub-forum where the preceding belongs, but it's not Science.
NM's posts are as far removed from science as they can possibly be.
Maybe there should be a board for nonsense posts! ;D
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NM's posts are as far removed from science as they can possibly be.
Maybe there should be a board for nonsense posts! ;D
There is - it's called Religion and Ethics Forum
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There is - it's called Religion and Ethics Forum
In other words, you don't have to be crazy to post on this forum, but it certainly helps. ;D
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So, this "all-electric" universe. Does that mean there is no gas?
What it means is that this electric energy...the same stuff that Einstein said was inside all atoms and equates to the mass, times the speed of light squared, made all gaseous mass as well. There is a technique used by nature that makes atoms from energy...but, so far, we only have the equation. It all unifies into one unified teaching which explains so much about what goes wrong with the living cell that it might be wise to try and absorb what is being said.
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After that ^^^ I'm leaning towards entertainment.
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What it means is that this electric energy...the same stuff that Einstein said was inside all atoms and equates to the mass, times the speed of light squared, made all gaseous mass as well. There is a technique used by nature that makes atoms from energy...but, so far, we only have the equation. It all unifies into one unified teaching which explains so much about what goes wrong with the living cell that it might be wise to try and absorb what is being said.
What is this teaching? And can you show your actual scientific working because none of your posts on here have been scientific?
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NM should buy some books on science aimed at primary school children and go on from there. He obviously has no idea of the meaning of the term, 'science', he is confusing it with the fanciful notions produced by his overactive imagination. ::)
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Oh yes, Primary Science is excellent, fun learning.
This book might be of interest too, a little light relief after studying science :-
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What is this teaching? And can you show your actual scientific working because none of your posts on here have been scientific?
You missed a very important scientific point in the post you responded too. Albert Einstein, if you recall was a scientist. He formulated the equation I alluded to. I didn't argue against it, I gave it full credibility and built the same equation into my own scientific reasoning when I said that all the energy inside an atom was put there by some very precise laws of nature...now, you could have said...how can it possibly be that every single atom in the universe goes through the same precise manufacturing process delivering a tight range of very precise atoms as listed on the periodic table??...and I would have told you. Science can't tell you because they start with a big-bang which common sense tells you couldn't produce atoms in the way we know them to be. If answering these questions, even if I were wrong, which I'm not, isn't science to you, I think you must have lost the meaning of science. Some of Einstein's work had to wait before proof could be found, so it isn't all text book, much of it is exploration and logic...and the desire to want to help those who are being left in the lurch by science.
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You missed a very important scientific point in the post you responded too. Albert Einstein, if you recall was a scientist. He formulated the equation I alluded to. I didn't argue against it, I gave it full credibility and built the same equation into my own scientific reasoning when I said that all the energy inside an atom was put there by some very precise laws of nature...now, you could have said...how can it possibly be that every single atom in the universe goes through the same precise manufacturing process delivering a tight range of very precise atoms as listed on the periodic table??...and I would have told you. Science can't tell you because they start with a big-bang which common sense tells you couldn't produce atoms in the way we know them to be. If answering these questions, even if I were wrong, which I'm not, isn't science to you, I think you must have lost the meaning of science. Some of Einstein's work had to wait before proof could be found, so it isn't all text book, much of it is exploration and logic...and the desire to want to help those who are being left in the lurch by science.
No , I didn't miss it. Me merely putting in Shakespeare this post doesn't make it a play. That you even use the term 'common sense' in relation to what is science shows you don't have any real understanding of science. I
And while science is about exploration and logic, you haven't shown any so far. What hypothesis are you proposing? What is the reasoning and evidence for it? And how will you test it?
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You missed a very important scientific point in the post you responded too. Albert Einstein, if you recall was a scientist. He formulated the equation I alluded to. I didn't argue against it, I gave it full credibility and built the same equation into my own scientific reasoning when I said that all the energy inside an atom was put there by some very precise laws of nature...now, you could have said...how can it possibly be that every single atom in the universe goes through the same precise manufacturing process delivering a tight range of very precise atoms as listed on the periodic table??...and I would have told you. Science can't tell you because they start with a big-bang which common sense tells you couldn't produce atoms in the way we know them to be. If answering these questions, even if I were wrong, which I'm not, isn't science to you, I think you must have lost the meaning of science. Some of Einstein's work had to wait before proof could be found, so it isn't all text book, much of it is exploration and logic...and the desire to want to help those who are being left in the lurch by science.
At last Nick!
Something which gives us the same basis for discussion.
So;
common sense tells us that you haven't got a clue about science, common sense tells us that all you do is sprinkle your over imagination laden guff with 'sciency' words and phrases, common sense tell us that whatever you come up with in the same vein can be treated in the same manner.....
..dismissed as nonsense.
Common sense will tell us that you will come back with your usual circular replies.
Common sense tells us that those can also be dismissed.
Good thing that common sense eh?
Lets see if it works....
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Common sense tells us that NM won't take the slightest bit of notice of the points others have made, and will carry on spouting his fanciful garbage. ::)
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No , I didn't miss it. Me merely putting in Shakespeare this post doesn't make it a play. That you even use the term 'common sense' in relation to what is science shows you don't have any real understanding of science. I
And while science is about exploration and logic, you haven't shown any so far. What hypothesis are you proposing? What is the reasoning and evidence for it? And how will you test it?
Of course, I could go into deep and serious debate on the point you make about me and science....but I won't.
I also thought that I made it perfectly clear in my opening post that I wanted to show how the living cell responds to electric laws rather than any other laws, and that this was a stepping stone proof of a universe that followed electric laws as its priority. The reason I do this is to show that illness, the living cell, our attitudes, and the behaviour of our neighbours, all combine to control our health. As an exaggerated proof of this we can safely say that if a person is abused daily their health will be much worse than someone who is loved and encouraged. Now...my lab was a factory full of women who were driven hysterically on a daily basis until I arrived on the scene and introduced text-book supervision much to the dismay of those who thought they were entitled to drive mothers, and daughters, wives and young ladies, to the depths of despair but I viewed it very differently...but it makes a good science.
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Of course, I could go into deep and serious debate on the point you make about me and science....but I won't.
I also thought that I made it perfectly clear in my opening post that I wanted to show how the living cell responds to electric laws rather than any other laws, and that this was a stepping stone proof of a universe that followed electric laws as its priority. The reason I do this is to show that illness, the living cell, our attitudes, and the behaviour of our neighbours, all combine to control our health. As an exaggerated proof of this we can safely say that if a person is abused daily their health will be much worse than someone who is loved and encouraged. Now...my lab was a factory full of women who were driven hysterically on a daily basis until I arrived on the scene and introduced text-book supervision much to the dismay of those who thought they were entitled to drive mothers, and daughters, wives and young ladies, to the depths of despair but I viewed it very differently...but it makes a good science.
No,none of this is science, Nicholas. What hypotheses did you form at your 'lab'? How did you test them? How would they be falsifiable?
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No,none of this is science, Nicholas. What hypotheses did you form at your 'lab'? How did you test them? How would they be falsifiable?
I would suggest that it is the scientist that decides whether or not it is a science or not. You may not understand the science or you may have bias reasons for condemning the science but the truth is that a science is a science and cannot be shaken.
It is all logical and self explanatory...and it is recognised by many as a way to manipulate the masses but it is also very harmful and can leave people distraught and very ill, so it is wise to listen to the expert...the scientist...and, here, that's me...and I have a supporter whom I have made sure you all know about...though I prefer at the moment to rely on my own initiative. If you don't have any interest in why the living-cell goes haywire, that is your concern...but it is analogous with the behaviour of bullies...a bullying cell, no less, and this is why the instructions have to be firmly adhered to, just as any responsible person would expect. But the bully is irresponsible and prefers to argue round and round in circles because they know no better and many people who have been bullied will know the trauma it creates and this too is part of my science.
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I would suggest that it is the scientist that decides whether or not it is a science or not. You may not understand the science or you may have bias reasons for condemning the science but the truth is that a science is a science and cannot be shaken.
It is all logical and self explanatory...and it is recognised by many as a way to manipulate the masses but it is also very harmful and can leave people distraught and very ill, so it is wise to listen to the expert...the scientist...and, here, that's me...and I have a supporter whom I have made sure you all know about...though I prefer at the moment to rely on my own initiative. If you don't have any interest in why the living-cell goes haywire, that is your concern...but it is analogous with the behaviour of bullies...a bullying cell, no less, and this is why the instructions have to be firmly adhered to, just as any responsible person would expect. But the bully is irresponsible and prefers to argue round and round in circles because they know no better and many people who have been bullied will know the trauma it creates and this too is part of my science.
The above just shows you nothing about science and you avoided answering the fairly basic scientific questions I asked. It's because I am interested in what you think that I asked you present your ideas in a simple scientific fashion.
Again simply announcing you are a scientist in no way makes it trye, just as saying Einstein in a post doesn't make it scirnce. Your use of common sense earlier indicates a misunderstanding of science.
In order to have any valid discussion here you need to a) actually respond to the points made, and b) actually put some science in your posts rather than mention words talismanically.
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I would suggest that it is the scientist that decides whether or not it is a science or not. You may not understand the science or you may have bias reasons for condemning the science but the truth is that a science is a science and cannot be shaken.
It is all logical and self explanatory...and it is recognised by many as a way to manipulate the masses but it is also very harmful and can leave people distraught and very ill, so it is wise to listen to the expert...the scientist...and, here, that's me...and I have a supporter whom I have made sure you all know about...though I prefer at the moment to rely on my own initiative. If you don't have any interest in why the living-cell goes haywire, that is your concern...but it is analogous with the behaviour of bullies...a bullying cell, no less, and this is why the instructions have to be firmly adhered to, just as any responsible person would expect. But the bully is irresponsible and prefers to argue round and round in circles because they know no better and many people who have been bullied will know the trauma it creates and this too is part of my science.
Nick,
Common sense tell us that you are talking utter rubbish.
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I would suggest that it is the scientist that decides whether or not it is a science or not.
You're not a scientist.
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There is - it's called Religion and Ethics Forum
Cheap. You don't think much of ethics, then?
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Of course, I could go into deep and serious debate on the point you make about me and science....but I won't.
I also thought that I made it perfectly clear in my opening post that I wanted to show how the living cell responds to electric laws rather than any other laws, and that this was a stepping stone proof of a universe that followed electric laws as its priority.
How does the living cell respond to Ohm's Law then ?
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One of the key indicators of my science is when people gather in great numbers and we say, the air was electric, or, you could cut the atmosphere with a knife. It is in exploring this 'atmosphere', in etreme circumstances that tell us that there is an invisible electric cloud, the product of our mass nervous excitement, a product of the audiences inner nervous strength that has created that atmosphere. Of course, you have to read the words, and not just lash out, to see the science, but never-the-less, we have defined an electric product which has great health properties, if we are responsive enough to see the science.
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One of the key indicators of my science is when people gather in great numbers and we say, the air was electric, or, you could cut the atmosphere with a knife. It is in exploring this 'atmosphere', in etreme circumstances that tell us that there is an invisible electric cloud, the product of our mass nervous excitement, a product of the audiences inner nervous strength that has created that atmosphere. Of course, you have to read the words, and not just lash out, to see the science, but never-the-less, we have defined an electric product which has great health properties, if we are responsive enough to see the science.
I am so glad you said, 'my science' as it is totally unique to you! ;D ;D ;D
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One of the key indicators of my science is when people gather in great numbers and we say, the air was electric, or, you could cut the atmosphere with a knife. It is in exploring this 'atmosphere', in etreme circumstances that tell us that there is an invisible electric cloud, the product of our mass nervous excitement, a product of the audiences inner nervous strength that has created that atmosphere. Of course, you have to read the words, and not just lash out, to see the science, but never-the-less, we have defined an electric product which has great health properties, if we are responsive enough to see the science.
Science isn't done by analysing metaphorical language. Again there is no hypothesis, no test and no falsifiability in any sense in your above approach - you are not doing science.
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One of the key indicators of my science is when people gather in great numbers and we say, the air was electric, or, you could cut the atmosphere with a knife.
Its a metaphor not to be taken literally.
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One of the key indicators of my science is when people gather in great numbers and we say, the air was electric, or, you could cut the atmosphere with a knife. It is in exploring this 'atmosphere', in etreme circumstances that tell us that there is an invisible electric cloud, the product of our mass nervous excitement, a product of the audiences inner nervous strength that has created that atmosphere. Of course, you have to read the words, and not just lash out, to see the science, but never-the-less, we have defined an electric product which has great health properties, if we are responsive enough to see the science.
Common sense tells us that you are talking nonsense here Nick.
Confusing metaphor with reality, really?
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The reason you can't see the science is because either you are unwilling to else you are in a state of denial. The fact that when you have identified the science you can see the harm that all manipulators of our emotions cause and it is obvious to me, the scientist, that it is our wastage of this energy that goes a long way towards our health failures. Like it or lump it the science will have the last say in matters concerning bullies and bullying living cells.
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The reason you can't see the science is because either you are unwilling to else you are in a state of denial. The fact that when you have identified the science you can see the harm that all manipulators of our emotions cause and it is obvious to me, the scientist, that it is our wastage of this energy that goes a long way towards our health failures. Like it or lump it the science will have the last say in matters concerning bullies and bullying living cells.
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Then put forward your hypothesis, how you did/would test it, and how you would falsify it. Your post above is merely an attempt to poison the well against anyone questioning you.
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The scientist determines how best to convey the science. I have decided that everyone deserves to realise the truth. Many in manipulative situations, would be obstructive toward the science, but still need to know that the truth is out there. Every healthy living cell generates electric energy, and converts it to nervous energy. It is part of the cell replication process. It's what we do with that energy that counts and I have seen it reduce people to nervous wrecks and have also seen it upbuild, strengthen, and repair some very unhappy people. Because it is a light, invisible, property it has to be stored within us to be useful but the human body is well able to cope with this, if we use it wisely.
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The scientist determines how best to convey the science. I have decided that everyone deserves to realise the truth. Many in manipulative situations, would be obstructive toward the science, but still need to know that the truth is out there. Every healthy living cell generates electric energy, and converts it to nervous energy. It is part of the cell replication process. It's what we do with that energy that counts and I have seen it reduce people to nervous wrecks and have also seen it upbuild, strengthen, and repair some very unhappy people. Because it is a light, invisible, property it has to be stored within us to be useful but the human body is well able to cope with this, if we use it wisely.
You are not a scientist.
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The scientist determines how best to convey the science. I have decided that everyone deserves to realise the truth. Many in manipulative situations, would be obstructive toward the science, but still need to know that the truth is out there. Every healthy living cell generates electric energy, and converts it to nervous energy. It is part of the cell replication process. It's what we do with that energy that counts and I have seen it reduce people to nervous wrecks and have also seen it upbuild, strengthen, and repair some very unhappy people. Because it is a light, invisible, property it has to be stored within us to be useful but the human body is well able to cope with this, if we use it wisely.
No, the 'scientist' doesn't. That would mean that any individual saying they were doing science could do it in a way that was meaningless drivel.
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No, the 'scientist' doesn't. That would mean that any individual saying they were doing science could do it in a way that was meaningless drivel.
I have discovered a property that you have all stumbled past and ignored but which is proving to be the most important ingredient in our daily lives deserves scientific merit. Just by noticing it when every other scientist has walked past it gives me scientific credentials but to put it to work...soothing and calming it within many hosts is very scientific indeed, then to unify the fundermental forces of nature by following stepping-stone and proven scientific data, gives me great scientific credibility...but, of course, it is early days yet...and there is much work to be done.
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I have discovered a property that you have all stumbled past and ignored but which is proving to be the most important ingredient in our daily lives deserves scientific merit. Just by noticing it when every other scientist has walked past it gives me scientific credentials but to put it to work...soothing and calming it within many hosts is very scientific indeed, then to unify the fundermental forces of nature by following stepping-stone and proven scientific data, gives me great scientific credibility...but, of course, it is early days yet...and there is much work to be done.
No, saying you have noticed 'something' is not enough to claim you are a scientist, nor is simply proclaiming that make it science. You cannot even express your hypothesis.
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No, saying you have noticed 'something' is not enough to claim you are a scientist, nor is simply proclaiming that make it science. You cannot even express your hypothesis.
Let's just put it this way...My answers, based upon my science, is more palatable for the NHS, than Gosports answers for it...and mine have been put to work in an industrial setting, which wasn't easy. I am now presenting it as a science because I can see where all this abuse of peoples emotions are leading us to whilst your scientists are cheerfully helping themselves to an inexhaustible pot, whilst encouraging it all...Someone has to make a stand...and that someone is you and me.
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Let's just put it this way...My answers, based upon my science, is more palatable for the NHS, than Gosports answers for it...and mine have been put to work in an industrial setting, which wasn't easy. I am now presenting it as a science because I can see where all this abuse of peoples emotions are leading us to whilst your scientists are cheerfully helping themselves to an inexhaustible pot, whilst encouraging it all...Someone has to make a stand...and that someone is you and me.
What 'answers'? What was done in the industrial setting as a result? What outcomes were measured? And I don't own a set of scientists.
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There's nosuch thing as "my science" and "your science": there's only "science".
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Let's just put it this way...My answers, based upon my science, is more palatable for the NHS, than Gosports answers for it...and mine have been put to work in an industrial setting, which wasn't easy. I am now presenting it as a science because I can see where all this abuse of peoples emotions are leading us to whilst your scientists are cheerfully helping themselves to an inexhaustible pot, whilst encouraging it all...Someone has to make a stand...and that someone is you and me.
Making a stand against Gosport et al by posting pseudoscience and spreading conspiracy theories on the Internet ? I don't buy that ???
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You see the difficulties, then, created by those who, whether they realise it or not, need your help and your sciences, the most. Fortunately though, there are people who have spotted the glaring weaknesses in everyones reasoning. They are often those who need scientific help but don't get it because others are too greedy and too selfish to recognise the problems. Still, as a scientist, I need to see through all this awkwardness and obstruction and tell you plainly that science will rule the day because as more and more people get emotionally let down they will seek the only honest science open to them.
This is that science...that our emotions are driven by our nervous strength and that there are people who will engineer our emotions so that we are very weak and unable to cope...and I'm very glad I'm not one of those. It all ties in with the grand unification of all the universal forces and the person who can identify this has a right to call themselves a scientist even if the entire scientific community derides them...and don't forget that wonderful text-book that says I am right.
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You see the difficulties, then, created by those who, whether they realise it or not, need your help and your sciences, the most. Fortunately though, there are people who have spotted the glaring weaknesses in everyones reasoning. They are often those who need scientific help but don't get it because others are too greedy and too selfish to recognise the problems. Still, as a scientist, I need to see through all this awkwardness and obstruction and tell you plainly that science will rule the day because as more and more people get emotionally let down they will seek the only honest science open to them.
This is that science...that our emotions are driven by our nervous strength and that there are people who will engineer our emotions so that we are very weak and unable to cope...and I'm very glad I'm not one of those. It all ties in with the grand unification of all the universal forces and the person who can identify this has a right to call themselves a scientist even if the entire scientific community derides them...and don't forget that wonderful text-book that says I am right.
You are not a scientist and you are not doing science. Science is a process which you are not following. You have no science textbook that says you are right. You might as well declare you are a ballerina because you write the word ballet in a post.
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You see the difficulties, then, created by those who, whether they realise it or not, need your help and your sciences, the most. Fortunately though, there are people who have spotted the glaring weaknesses in everyones reasoning. They are often those who need scientific help but don't get it because others are too greedy and too selfish to recognise the problems. Still, as a scientist, I need to see through all this awkwardness and obstruction and tell you plainly that science will rule the day because as more and more people get emotionally let down they will seek the only honest science open to them.
This is that science...that our emotions are driven by our nervous strength and that there are people who will engineer our emotions so that we are very weak and unable to cope...and I'm very glad I'm not one of those. It all ties in with the grand unification of all the universal forces and the person who can identify this has a right to call themselves a scientist even if the entire scientific community derides them...and don't forget that wonderful text-book that says I am right.
Nick
With the best will in the world old chap: you are to science what I am to ballet dancing.
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......and don't forget that wonderful text-book that says I am right.
Which is?
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A number of scientist's have been right and driven to despair because people, including scientists, have refused to believe them until proven wrong. I won't be one of those because my science includes the repair from despair.
If despair is anyone's problem here, start by upbuilding your emotional strength. Don't waste it. If you are being bullied then turn the other cheek. It is much better than allowing the bully to rob you of your inner emotional strength and the more of it you forfeit the more of it they will want. If anyone wants to contradict me on this scientific point I suggest they consult a battered wives escape home.
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Which is?
The Holy Bible of course...and don't say a scientist cannot use it as a reference...many of your past scientist's have come down this Christian route and some have found it very useful...I bet there are still some around today.
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A number of scientist's have been right and driven to despair because people, including scientists, have refused to believe them until proven wrong. I won't be one of those because my science includes the repair from despair.
If despair is anyone's problem here, start by upbuilding your emotional strength. Don't waste it. If you are being bullied then turn the other cheek. It is much better than allowing the bully to rob you of your inner emotional strength and the more of it you forfeit the more of it they will want. If anyone wants to contradict me on this scientific point I suggest they consult a battered wives escape home.
Who will tell you that it isn't science.
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The Holy Bible of course...and don't say a scientist cannot use it as a reference...many of your past scientist's have come down this Christian route and some have found it very useful...I bet there are still some around today.
Moderator:
We did allow this thread to run on this Board to see how it developed and to see how you developed your arguments, Nick.
Given the post I've quoted, and taking into account your clearly stated views with which we are all familiar, it is clear that your thesis was always based primarily on your religious views, so I'm moving this thread to the Christian Board.
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A number of scientist's have been right and driven to despair because people, including scientists, have refused to believe them until proven wrong. I won't be one of those because my science includes the repair from despair.
If despair is anyone's problem here, start by upbuilding your emotional strength. Don't waste it. If you are being bullied then turn the other cheek. It is much better than allowing the bully to rob you of your inner emotional strength and the more of it you forfeit the more of it they will want. If anyone wants to contradict me on this scientific point I suggest they consult a battered wives escape home.
Nick, common sense tells everyone reading your posts that you are not a scientist and common sense tells us that your 'stuff', whatever it is, it's not science.
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Moderator:
We did allow this thread to run on this Board to see how it developed and to see how you developed your arguments, Nick.
Given the post I've quoted, and taking into account your clearly stated views with which we are all familiar, it is clear that your thesis was always based primarily on your religious views, so I'm moving this thread to the Christian Board.
It's your forum Gordon, but I was very careful not to bring Christianity into the debate. I think I have adequately already shown that there is a valid science behind Christianity. My objective was to show that the living cell responds to electric laws, primarily, and as an offshoot of that many health problems develop from our lack of care, and often, the lack of care by others. The scientific aspect of this is above dispute and the genetic injury we inflict upon the living-cell as a result, well and truly recorded in the files of every hospital in the country. Still, I can't be responsible for those who refuse to listen.
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It's your forum Gordon, but I was very careful not to bring Christianity into the debate. I think I have adequately already shown that there is a valid science behind Christianity. My objective was to show that the living cell responds to electric laws, primarily, and as an offshoot of that many health problems develop from our lack of care, and often, the lack of care by others. The scientific aspect of this is above dispute and the genetic injury we inflict upon the living-cell as a result, well and truly recorded in the files of every hospital in the country. Still, I can't be responsible for those who refuse to listen.
You haven't shown anything about the living cell because you are not doing any science. And stating your text book is the Bible is bringing Christianity into it.
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You haven't shown anything about the living cell because you are not doing any science. And staying your text book is the Bible is bringing Christianity into it.
Saying that your ideals and principles are aligned with the Holy Bible is just saying that you prefer honesty, harmony, peace, happiness and love as your path through life. That is a principle carved into British Law. When you stand in a court of law and raise your right hand you are saying you will uphold those principles...has the law changed, because, if it has, I missed it?
Now...an invisible energy, proven to exist whenever we say...'the air was electric' has got to have a science behind it. Hitler had a science behind his antics, and here it is, the same abuse that every bully inflicts upon his victims. World war 2 erupted from not understanding the science and world war erupts inside our own flesh when cancer breaks out in the body. Thousands of scientists are chasing the cure but regardless of how much money is thrown at the problem it gets worse and worse...Now, here is a scientific prompt...maybe it is because we aren't taking the electric nature of the universe, the electric nature of the world or the electric nature of the living cell seriously enough.
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Saying that your ideals and principles are aligned with the Holy Bible is just saying that you prefer honesty, harmony, peace, happiness and love as your path through life. That is a principle carved into British Law. When you stand in a court of law and raise your right hand you are saying you will uphold those principles...has the law changed, because, if it has, I missed it?
Now...an invisible energy, proven to exist whenever we say...'the air was electric' has got to have a science behind it. Hitler had a science behind his antics, and here it is the same abuse that every bully inflicts upon his victims. World war 2 erupted from not understanding the science and world war erupts inside our own flesh when cancer breaks out in the body. Thousands of scientists are chasing the cure but regardless of how much money is thrown at the problem it gets worse and worse...Now, here is a scientific prompt...maybe it is because we aren't taking the electric nature of the universe, the electric nature of the world or the electric nature of the living cell seriously enough.
It's not a principle carved into 'British Law' and never has been. You appear to know less about law than you do about science, which is quite a feat.
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Saying that your ideals and principles are aligned with the Holy Bible is just saying that you prefer honesty, harmony, peace, happiness and love as your path through life.
I prefer these things and I'm not aligned with your Bible: at best I see it as a cultural curiosity.
That is a principle carved into British Law. When you stand in a court of law and raise your right hand you are saying you will uphold those principles...has the law changed, because, if it has, I missed it?
Not so: for example, you may not be aware that the law in Scotland isn't exactly the same as the law where you are.
Now...an invisible energy, proven to exist whenever we say...'the air was electric' has got to have a science behind it. Hitler had a science behind his antics, and here it is, the same abuse that every bully inflicts upon his victims. World war 2 erupted from not understanding the science and world war erupts inside our own flesh when cancer breaks out in the body. Thousands of scientists are chasing the cure but regardless of how much money is thrown at the problem it gets worse and worse...Now, here is a scientific prompt...maybe it is because we aren't taking the electric nature of the universe, the electric nature of the world or the electric nature of the living cell seriously enough.
You don't understand metaphor do you! Mind you I don't think you understand biology or physics (such as electricity) either.
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Saying that your ideals and principles are aligned with the Holy Bible is just saying that you prefer honesty, harmony, peace, happiness and love as your path through life. That is a principle carved into British Law. When you stand in a court of law and raise your right hand you are saying you will uphold those principles...has the law changed, because, if it has, I missed it?
Now...an invisible energy, proven to exist whenever we say...'the air was electric' has got to have a science behind it. Hitler had a science behind his antics, and here it is, the same abuse that every bully inflicts upon his victims. World war 2 erupted from not understanding the science and world war erupts inside our own flesh when cancer breaks out in the body. Thousands of scientists are chasing the cure but regardless of how much money is thrown at the problem it gets worse and worse...Now, here is a scientific prompt...maybe it is because we aren't taking the electric nature of the universe, the electric nature of the world or the electric nature of the living cell seriously enough.
Ye gods, I wonder if you are an alien from another planet, you don't seem to have any idea about life on Earth. ::)
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Now...an invisible energy, proven to exist whenever we say...'the air was electric' has got to have a science behind it./
That proves nothing.
Hitler had a science behind his antics, and here it is, the same abuse that every bully inflicts upon his victims. World war 2 erupted from not understanding the science and world war erupts inside our own flesh when cancer breaks out in the body. Thousands of scientists are chasing the cure but regardless of how much money is thrown at the problem it gets worse and worse...Now, here is a scientific prompt...maybe it is because we aren't taking the electric nature of the universe, the electric nature of the world or the electric nature of the living cell seriously enough.
So that's history and medical science to add to things you don't understand.
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It's not a principle carved into 'British Law' and never has been. You appear to know less about law than you do about science, which is quite a feat.
Now your telling me that the oath, sworn on the Holy Bible, in a court of law, means absolutely nothing and we can lie to our hearts content, after what many consider to be a solemn oath. You also say that the monarch has no authority because she swears allegiance to Almighty God...but you are telling us it's all a con-trick. No matter...no wonder the world is in such a mess.
I think it's the old antiChrist syndrome that is showing through here and that is a shame because many of you might otherwise be saved. It will certainly be a principle of those who are saved that they will know how to take care of their own living cells because it is the bed-rock behind good health and it is a Biblical principle that all ill-health will be cured...I am just putting it all in to a scientific setting because the same laws just repeat and repeat, but you are too scientifically impaired to see it.
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It's your forum Gordon, but I was very careful not to bring Christianity into the debate. I think I have adequately already shown that there is a valid science behind Christianity. My objective was to show that the living cell responds to electric laws, primarily, and as an offshoot of that many health problems develop from our lack of care, and often, the lack of care by others. The scientific aspect of this is above dispute and the genetic injury we inflict upon the living-cell as a result, well and truly recorded in the files of every hospital in the country. Still, I can't be responsible for those who refuse to listen.
The reason why your ideas are not science is that a key point of science is that you test your ideas in the real world to make sure they work. I could ask you to provide details of the tests you have done, but we both know that would be futile because you have not tested your ideas.
When you have some experimental data supporting your hypothesis, then we can talk science. Also, you’ll probably win a Nobel prize.
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Now your telling me that the oath, sworn on the Holy Bible, in a court of law, means absolutely nothing and we can lie to our hearts content, after what many consider to be a solemn oath. You also say that the monarch has no authority because she swears allegiance to Almighty God...but you are telling us it's all a con-trick. No matter...no wonder the world is in such a mess.
I think it's the old antiChrist syndrome that is showing through here and that is a shame because many of you might otherwise be saved. It will certainly be a principle of those who are saved that they will know how to take care of their own living cells because it is the bed-rock behind good health and it is a Biblical principle that all ill-health will be cured...I am just putting it all in to a scientific setting because the same laws just repeat and repeat, but you are too scientifically impaired to see it.
No, that's not what I said, kindly don't misrepresent me. What I said was that your assertion that
'Saying that your ideals and principles are aligned with the Holy Bible is just saying that you prefer honesty, harmony, peace, happiness and love as your path through life. That is a principle carved into British Law. When you stand in a court of law and raise your right hand you are saying you will uphold those principles'
Is incorrect. At no point even if you do swear on the Bible, which is not compulsory, so you say anything about harmony, peace, happiness, or live as a path through life. There is some commitment to telling the truth but nothing about that being the path through life.
I said nothing about the monarch 's authority at all - so kindly stop lying.
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No, that's not what I said, kindly don't misrepresent me. What I said was that your assertion that
'Saying that your ideals and principles are aligned with the Holy Bible is just saying that you prefer honesty, harmony, peace, happiness and love as your path through life. That is a principle carved into British Law. When you stand in a court of law and raise your right hand you are saying you will uphold those principles'
Is incorrect. At no point even if you do swear on the Bible, which is not compulsory, so you say anything about harmony, peace, happiness, or live as a path through life. There is some commitment to telling the truth but nothing about that being the path through life.
I said nothing about the monarch 's authority at all - so kindly stop lying.
You said plainly and clearly that Christianity is not a principle set in British law and I have shown you two features of British Law where this principle is sold to the public as being valid. If your monarch swears allegiance to Almighty God and she represents the highest office in British Law then we must accept that is the case so lies and misrepresentation don't come into the matter...but confusion in knowing what is straight, honest, and scientific does.
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Now your telling me that the oath, sworn on the Holy Bible, in a court of law, means absolutely nothing and we can lie to our hearts content, after what many consider to be a solemn oath.
You don't have to swear on the Bible these days, Nick.
You also say that the monarch has no authority because she swears allegiance to Almighty God...but you are telling us it's all a con-trick.
I don't think NS did, Nick, and anyway the monarchy has no real authority, albeit they are an offensive anachronism that is well beyond its sell-by date.
No matter...no wonder the world is in such a mess.
There are lots of worldly reasons for that.
I think it's the old antiChrist syndrome that is showing through here and that is a shame because many of you might otherwise be saved.
Not being 'saved' doesn't trouble many of us since we think the notion is silly.
It will certainly be a principle of those who are saved that they will know how to take care of their own living cells because it is the bed-rock behind good health and it is a Biblical principle that all ill-health will be cured...I am just putting it all in to a scientific setting because the same laws just repeat and repeat, but you are too scientifically impaired to see it.
Nope.
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You said plainly and clearly that Christianity is not a principle set in British law and I have shown you two features of British Law where this principle is sold to the public as being valid. If your monarch swears allegiance to Almighty God and she represents the highest office in British Law then we must accept that is the case so lies and misrepresentation don't come into the matter...but confusion in knowing what is straight, honest, and scientific does.
Again I didn't say that. To repeat, what I said was
'Saying that your ideals and principles are aligned with the Holy Bible is just saying that you prefer honesty, harmony, peace, happiness and love as your path through life. That is a principle carved into British Law. When you stand in a court of law and raise your right hand you are saying you will uphold those principles'
Is incorrect. At no point even if you do swear on the Bible, which is not compulsory, so you say anything about harmony, peace, happiness, or live as a path through life. There is some commitment to telling the truth but nothing about that being the path through life. '
Leaving aside your continual misrepresentation, and indeed misunderstanding about the idea of 'British Law ' which is not a single entity Christianity isn't set as principle in the law. It might be useful for to learn that the monarch is head of the Church only established in England, and isn't a British or English Law office.
So once again stop lying.
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Again I didn't say that. To repeat, what I said was
'Saying that your ideals and principles are aligned with the Holy Bible is just saying that you prefer honesty, harmony, peace, happiness and love as your path through life. That is a principle carved into British Law. When you stand in a court of law and raise your right hand you are saying you will uphold those principles'
Is incorrect. At no point even if you do swear on the Bible, which is not compulsory, so you say anything about harmony, peace, happiness, or live as a path through life. There is some commitment to telling the truth but nothing about that being the path through life. '
Leaving aside your continual misrepresentation, and indeed misunderstanding about the idea of 'British Law ' which is not a single entity Christianity isn't set as principle in the law. It might be useful for to learn that the monarch is head of the Church only established in England, and isn't a British or English Law office.
So once again stop lying.
I love people who just want to go round and round in circular argument...they hurt no one but themselves...against a Christian, anyway, who cut their teeth on a hard core Satanic attitude in a factory full of vulnerable women, anyway, and who turned factory efficiency into a method achieved by people who enjoyed their work.
I quoted what you said in my last post and I pointed out that it had a lot of inferences which you tried to slate me for. Like the science it is supported by logic and reasoning and the fact that you are wasting time in securing your own righteous stance is your problem alone.
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..I am just putting it all in to a scientific setting because the same laws just repeat and repeat, but you are too scientifically impaired to see it.
Common sense tells us Nick, that it is you who is scientifically impaired if not scientifically ignorant.
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The reason why your ideas are not science is that a key point of science is that you test your ideas in the real world to make sure they work. I could ask you to provide details of the tests you have done, but we both know that would be futile because you have not tested your ideas.
When you have some experimental data supporting your hypothesis, then we can talk science. Also, you’ll probably win a Nobel prize.
I refer you to my last post of 9:28:56 pm. When you know that the world is full of antiChrist you tread a little differently than when you know you are dealing with honest, caring people. But the time will come when everyone will pretend to be honest and caring but it wont wash unless there is physical evidence of healthy thinking, according to scriptural laws.
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I love people who just want to go round and round in circular argument...they hurt no one but themselves...against a Christian, anyway, who cut their teeth on a hard core Satanic attitude in a factory full of vulnerable women, anyway, and who turned factory efficiency into a method achieved by people who enjoyed their work.
I quoted what you said in my last post and I pointed out that it had a lot of inferences which you tried to slate me for. Like the science it is supported by logic and reasoning and the fact that you are wasting time in securing your own righteous stance is your problem alone.
You didn't quote what I wrote. Stop lying.
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Common sense tells us Nick, that it is you who is scientifically impaired if not scientifically ignorant.
You could be right, even though I spent the last 10 years of my working life running a lab. Testing and passing critical materials for production. Actively involved in introducing British Standards...the 5s's...Total Quality...Statistical Data Control...and a number of personal projects...all of which I used my skill in the art of creating an efficient atmosphere to work in. Still...I know your not interested in these things just condemning anything connected with Almighty God and Jesus Christ...the owners of my science.
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You could be right, even though I spent the last 10 years of my working life running a lab. Testing and passing critical materials for production. Actively involved in introducing British Standards...the 5s's...Total Quality...Statistical Data Control...and a number of personal projects...all of which I used my skill in the art of creating an efficient atmosphere to work in. Still...I know your not interested in these things just condemning anything connected with Almighty God and Jesus Christ...the owners of my science.
No, we are interested in your hypothesis, and how you test it and falsify it, Nicholas. That's why you were asked about it multiple times. Again stop lying.
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You...
It's not a principle carved into 'British Law' and never has been. You appear to know less about law than you do about science, which is quite a feat.
Me...
You said plainly and clearly that Christianity is not a principle set in British law and I have shown you two features of British Law where this principle is sold to the public as being valid. If your monarch swears allegiance to Almighty God and she represents the highest office in British Law then we must accept that is the case so lies and misrepresentation don't come into the matter...but confusion in knowing what is straight, honest, and scientific does.
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You...
It's not a principle carved into 'British Law' and never has been. You appear to know less about law than you do about science, which is quite a feat.
Me...
You said plainly and clearly that Christianity is not a principle set in British law and I have shown you two features of British Law where this principle is sold to the public as being valid. If your monarch swears allegiance to Almighty God and she represents the highest office in British Law then we must accept that is the case so lies and misrepresentation don't come into the matter...but confusion in knowing what is straight, honest, and scientific does.
Which isn't
'Saying that your ideals and principles are aligned with the Holy Bible is just saying that you prefer honesty, harmony, peace, happiness and love as your path through life. That is a principle carved into British Law. When you stand in a court of law and raise your right hand you are saying you will uphold those principles'
Is incorrect. At no point even if you do swear on the Bible, which is not compulsory, so you say anything about harmony, peace, happiness, or live as a path through life. There is some commitment to telling the truth but nothing about that being the path through life. '
Stop repeating your lie.
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You could be right, even though I spent the last 10 years of my working life running a lab. Testing and passing critical materials for production. Actively involved in introducing British Standards...the 5s's...Total Quality...Statistical Data Control...and a number of personal projects...all of which I used my skill in the art of creating an efficient atmosphere to work in. Still...I know your not interested in these things just condemning anything connected with Almighty God and Jesus Christ...the owners of my science.
What method do you use to test the materials Nick?
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You could be right, even though I spent the last 10 years of my working life running a lab. Testing and passing critical materials for production. Actively involved in introducing British Standards...the 5s's...Total Quality...Statistical Data Control...and a number of personal projects...all of which I used my skill in the art of creating an efficient atmosphere to work in. Still...I know your not interested in these things just condemning anything connected with Almighty God and Jesus Christ...the owners of my science.
I worked in a product development lab alongside a QC lab who were doing exactly what you did from your description. We followed the scientific method in our lab to develop products and set the specifications, wrote the procedures for QC to follow and investigated any product failures. The head of the QC department had no scientific qualifications but managed his team to follow the procedures we set. They did tests but other than a pass fail drew no conclusions from them. They were not scientists, we were, they were technicians abd the QC head was a technical manager. You are not a scientist based on your comments and your years in a QC department has deluded you into thinking you are and that you have your own science. i know you think you have made some exciting discovery based on your interpretation of the Bible but saying that is science is incorrect - but based on your QC experiences why you want to describe it as science becomes a little clearer.
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Coming back on topic...The living-cell...performs It's replication by following set phases. These phases are what equates with my reasoning and why I use it as a model of the electric nature of the universe. In my working life I often had to look at many processes to identify faulty patterns and running alongside this was the realisation that everything responded to electric laws. None more so than people. People are a product of the replicating living cell and showing that it was generating an electric energy...much of which is wasted by hysterical behaviour...set the tone of what I was looking for. If we look at these phases, do a rough sketch around them, and make a preview around what could be happening...no matter how ridiculous...then make that imagined pattern fit scientifically known facts or implied facts from other processes....then we are well on the way to becoming a scientist.
The imagined picture I drew was that invisibly, two parts, the primary force of the living cell, were coming together. Each had an imploding force as electric fields often do and this is what draws these two fields together. They are invisible and massless except for the cell nutrients that are also being attracted by the imploding forces. So a little chemical factory is being pulled into shape by the coming together of these two invisible imploding forces. They pause for a while because the whole process is analogous with intercourse and this is when the generating energy is at its strongest. But this energy becomes depleted as it is used for a number of celular tasks and this causes the attraction force between the cell's creators to pull apart, passing out of the cell drawn out by other imploding forces only too willing to repeat the process in another cell and as they pull apart, away from each other the newly formed bonds separate creating two new cells where previously there had been only one.
So, kick that around for a while...but there is more, much more.
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Coming back on topic...The living-cell...performs It's replication by following set phases. These phases are what equates with my reasoning and why I use it as a model of the electric nature of the universe. In my working life I often had to look at many processes to identify faulty patterns and running alongside this was the realisation that everything responded to electric laws. None more so than people. People are a product of the replicating living cell and showing that it was generating an electric energy...much of which is wasted by hysterical behaviour...set the tone of what I was looking for. If we look at these phases, do a rough sketch around them, and make a preview around what could be happening...no matter how ridiculous...then make that imagined pattern fit scientifically known facts or implied facts from other processes....then we are well on the way to becoming a scientist.
The imagined picture I drew was that invisibly, two parts, the primary force of the living cell, were coming together. Each had an imploding force as electric fields often do and this is what draws these two fields together. They are invisible and massless except for the cell nutrients that are also being attracted by the imploding forces. So a little chemical factory is being pulled into shape by the coming together of these two invisible imploding forces. They pause for a while because the whole process is analogous with intercourse and this is when the generating energy is at its strongest. But this energy becomes depleted as it is used for a number of celular tasks and this causes the attraction force between the cell's creators to pull apart, passing out of the cell drawn out by other imploding forces only too willing to repeat the process in another cell and as they pull apart, away from each other the newly formed bonds separate creating two new cells where previously there had been only one.
So, kick that around for a while...but there is more, much more.
What tests have you done to show that these phases occur, and what data was produced that backs up the conclusion?
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What tests have you done to show that these phases occur, and what data was produced that backs up the conclusion?
Well...you've had intercourse haven't you?. ...You know how two separate parts can have an invisible, overwhelming, and imploding attraction for each other. You must know then the short term exhilaration and bliss that is experienced at such a time and that eventually the bliss subsides and it is time to separate. We are expected to use our imagination a little.
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Coming back on topic...The living-cell...performs It's replication by following set phases. These phases are what equates with my reasoning and why I use it as a model of the electric nature of the universe. In my working life I often had to look at many processes to identify faulty patterns and running alongside this was the realisation that everything responded to electric laws. None more so than people. People are a product of the replicating living cell and showing that it was generating an electric energy...much of which is wasted by hysterical behaviour...set the tone of what I was looking for. If we look at these phases, do a rough sketch around them, and make a preview around what could be happening...no matter how ridiculous...then make that imagined pattern fit scientifically known facts or implied facts from other processes....then we are well on the way to becoming a scientist.
No, that's not the way to become a scientist. To become a scientist you would need to study actual science. Start with a GCSE in a science subject, progress through A level, then pick a bachelor's degree, another three years of study, then on to a Phd, five years of mostly independent research perhaps taking in an MSc along the way, after which you might be able to look for your first PostDoc position at which point you might be able to call yourself a scientist. You want to become a scientist ? From where you are now you're looking at 12 or 13 years of hard committed study; posting nonsense on messageboards isn't going to cut it.
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Well...you've had intercourse haven't you?. ...You know how two separate parts can have an invisible, overwhelming, and imploding attraction for each other. You must know then the short term exhilaration and bliss that is experienced at such a time and that eventually the bliss subsides and it is time to separate. We are expected to use our imagination a little.
That's analogy, not science, not a test, not data.
BTW in your imagination, what phases are shown by threesome?
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Coming back on topic...The living-cell...performs It's replication by following set phases. These phases are what equates with my reasoning and why I use it as a model of the electric nature of the universe. In my working life I often had to look at many processes to identify faulty patterns and running alongside this was the realisation that everything responded to electric laws. None more so than people. People are a product of the replicating living cell and showing that it was generating an electric energy...much of which is wasted by hysterical behaviour...set the tone of what I was looking for. If we look at these phases, do a rough sketch around them, and make a preview around what could be happening...no matter how ridiculous...then make that imagined pattern fit scientifically known facts or implied facts from other processes....then we are well on the way to becoming a scientist.
The imagined picture I drew was that invisibly, two parts, the primary force of the living cell, were coming together. Each had an imploding force as electric fields often do and this is what draws these two fields together. They are invisible and massless except for the cell nutrients that are also being attracted by the imploding forces. So a little chemical factory is being pulled into shape by the coming together of these two invisible imploding forces. They pause for a while because the whole process is analogous with intercourse and this is when the generating energy is at its strongest. But this energy becomes depleted as it is used for a number of celular tasks and this causes the attraction force between the cell's creators to pull apart, passing out of the cell drawn out by other imploding forces only too willing to repeat the process in another cell and as they pull apart, away from each other the newly formed bonds separate creating two new cells where previously there had been only one.
So, kick that around for a while...but there is more, much more.
Nick,
common sense tells everyone that the above comes nowhere near real science.
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Coming back on topic...The living-cell...performs It's replication by following set phases. These phases are what equates with my reasoning and why I use it as a model of the electric nature of the universe. In my working life I often had to look at many processes to identify faulty patterns and running alongside this was the realisation that everything responded to electric laws. None more so than people. People are a product of the replicating living cell and showing that it was generating an electric energy...much of which is wasted by hysterical behaviour...set the tone of what I was looking for. If we look at these phases, do a rough sketch around them, and make a preview around what could be happening...no matter how ridiculous...then make that imagined pattern fit scientifically known facts or implied facts from other processes....then we are well on the way to becoming a scientist.
The imagined picture I drew was that invisibly, two parts, the primary force of the living cell, were coming together. Each had an imploding force as electric fields often do and this is what draws these two fields together. They are invisible and massless except for the cell nutrients that are also being attracted by the imploding forces. So a little chemical factory is being pulled into shape by the coming together of these two invisible imploding forces. They pause for a while because the whole process is analogous with intercourse and this is when the generating energy is at its strongest. But this energy becomes depleted as it is used for a number of celular tasks and this causes the attraction force between the cell's creators to pull apart, passing out of the cell drawn out by other imploding forces only too willing to repeat the process in another cell and as they pull apart, away from each other the newly formed bonds separate creating two new cells where previously there had been only one.
So, kick that around for a while...but there is more, much more.
Absolutely unsupported barmy nonsense and yes but there's more, much more.
Regards Nick, ippy
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Well...you've had intercourse haven't you?. ...You know how two separate parts can have an invisible, overwhelming, and imploding attraction for each other. You must know then the short term exhilaration and bliss that is experienced at such a time and that eventually the bliss subsides and it is time to separate. We are expected to use our imagination a little.
No....please elaborate. I thought intercourse meant conversation as per Jane Austen. Have I missed out? Please elaborate.
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Well...you've had intercourse haven't you?
At least 3 times.
...You know how two separate parts can have an invisible, overwhelming, and imploding attraction for each other.
You mean like magnets do?
You must know then the short term exhilaration and bliss that is experienced at such a time and that eventually the bliss subsides and it is time to separate.
You mean like putting the pork pies back in the fridge before one scoffs too many?
We are expected to use our imagination a little.
Or in some cases a lot.
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I refer you to my last post of 9:28:56 pm. When you know that the world is full of antiChrist you tread a little differently than when you know you are dealing with honest, caring people. But the time will come when everyone will pretend to be honest and caring but it wont wash unless there is physical evidence of healthy thinking, according to scriptural laws.
What?
It's quite simple, just show us the evidence of your tests that confirm that your ideas are true.
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Run off again Nick?
Regards ippy
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You see...when a problem is so difficult that not a single scientist can come up with a solution to it then we must look at clues which aren't so obvious but are staring us in the face anyway. That is where the analogy between sexual intercourse and the replicating living-cell come together. They are both part of the same process. What you have to realise is that we are each, individually, (when we are healthy) a mass of imploding, electric fields, that come together in pairs like the two invisible forces that construct the living-cell do and our mass of imploding forces hold all the cellular material of our bodies in place...and their nuclear mechanics...So there we have it...It isn't a matter of us doing what we think is right but doing what our electrical-field nature, thinks is right, and that is very different. In fact, we can say that sin is the process of ignoring our spiritual nature, as taught by Jesus Christ, and thereby injuring our own genetic health...Don't just take my word for it...go to any hospital in the land and see for yourselves what continued and continual sin does to the human body.
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......go to any hospital in the land and see for yourselves what continued and continual sin does to the human body.
Nick,
Common sense tells us that you are talking bollocks.
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You see...when a problem is so difficult that not a single scientist can come up with a solution to it then we must look at clues which aren't so obvious but are staring us in the face anyway. That is where the analogy between sexual intercourse and the replicating living-cell come together. They are both part of the same process. What you have to realise is that we are each, individually, (when we are healthy) a mass of imploding, electric fields, that come together in pairs like the two invisible forces that construct the living-cell do and our mass of imploding forces hold all the cellular material of our bodies in place...and their nuclear mechanics...So there we have it...It isn't a matter of us doing what we think is right but doing what our electrical-field nature, thinks is right, and that is very different. In fact, we can say that sin is the process of ignoring our spiritual nature, as taught by Jesus Christ, and thereby injuring our own genetic health...Don't just take my word for it...go to any hospital in the land and see for yourselves what continued and continual sin does to the human body.
You ghastly little man, that sort of garbage can be damaging to a vulnerable person!!!! >:( I have a relative with a mental health problem who was told by a very religious person that his problems were caused by his sin. He was so distressed he tried to commit suicide. :o
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You ghastly little man, that sort of garbage can be damaging to a vulnerable person!!!! >:( I have a relative with a mental health problem who was told by a very religious person that his problems were caused by his sin. He was so distressed he tried to commit suicide. :o
If all health problems are the result of our electrical nature and how we take care of it, then I would suggest that knowing this and actively doing something to prevent such a poor mental state to develop would be the best course of action...not condemn the scientist for putting a Biblically known concept into a scientific context. That way you may have helped to prevent the consequences of a drained emotional person from slipping into that terrible and very disabling emotional black-hole, which can overpower each and everyone of us if we allow it to. I can ensure you that such a person you describe didn't suddenly become ill...it was brewing up for some time...You are lashing out again, which is something I am well aware of and suggest a change in attitude, particularly towards our saviour, as your best course of action. Then we could discuss how you could upbuild your relatives emotional strength, and, thereby, his physical strength as well. We could start by using techniques the Samaritans use by listening to whatever the person has to tell you with a caring ear. Then incorporate the Catholic approach and allow him to discuss what is bothering him...in this way we are also using Freud's techniques which allows a person to poor out what is bothering them. It is all incorporated in Jesus Christ's teaching where prayer and healthy reasoning take us into a state where we are interacting with the true nature of the world and not man's selfish, greedy and often spiteful rendition of it.
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What?
It's quite simple, just show us the evidence of your tests that confirm that your ideas are true.
Well...you start off with a factory full of distressed women...you work out why they are so jumpy, drained, emotionally distressed and you try to do something about it. Though no one else seems to realise what is wrong the female work-force respond to proper emotional discipline, and start to function a little less hysterically...their health, willingness to work, put themselves out, even, gives you a foothold into correcting the faults, as you see them, whilst maintaining the level of efficiency demanded by the powers that be. After its all over and you have time to reflect you realise that this behaviour pattern is being mirrored in many other walks of life and regardless of what anyone else thinks...I know...the dangers and health problems this callous behaviour causes, and I know who causes it.
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You do keep banging on about this story of yours. Is that all the evidence you have?
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Well...you start off with a factory full of distressed women...you work out why they are so jumpy, drained, emotionally distressed and you try to do something about it. Though no one else seems to realise what is wrong the female work-force respond to proper emotional discipline, and start to function a little less hysterically...their health, willingness to work, put themselves out, even, gives you a foothold into correcting the faults, as you see them, whilst maintaining the level of efficiency demanded by the powers that be. After its all over and you have time to reflect you realise that this behaviour pattern is being mirrored in many other walks of life and regardless of what anyone else thinks...I know...the dangers and health problems this callous behaviour causes, and I know who causes it.
Just trying to pick out from the mess of a respose, something that you, Nick, might actually have done. You know , actions.
All I can get is:
Though no one else seems to realise what is wrong the female work-force respond to proper emotional discipline,
And:
correcting the faults, as you see them,
So, can you expand Nick?
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If all health problems are the result of our electrical nature and how we take care of it, then I would suggest that knowing this and actively doing something to prevent such a poor mental state to develop would be the best course of action...not condemn the scientist for putting a Biblically known concept into a scientific context. That way you may have helped to prevent the consequences of a drained emotional person from slipping into that terrible and very disabling emotional black-hole, which can overpower each and everyone of us if we allow it to. I can ensure you that such a person you describe didn't suddenly become ill...it was brewing up for some time...You are lashing out again, which is something I am well aware of and suggest a change in attitude, particularly towards our saviour, as your best course of action. Then we could discuss how you could upbuild your relatives emotional strength, and, thereby, his physical strength as well. We could start by using techniques the Samaritans use by listening to whatever the person has to tell you with a caring ear. Then incorporate the Catholic approach and allow him to discuss what is bothering him...in this way we are also using Freud's techniques which allows a person to poor out what is bothering them. It is all incorporated in Jesus Christ's teaching where prayer and healthy reasoning take us into a state where we are interacting with the true nature of the world and not man's selfish, greedy and often spiteful rendition of it.
"If all health problems are a result of out electrical nature..."
They're not.
Sorry, I'll correct that.
Wet your hand.
Stick it in a live electricalsocket.
Then you will indeed have electrical health problems.
The rest of your post is up to your usual standard.
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Well...you start off with a factory full of distressed women...you work out why they are so jumpy, drained, emotionally distressed and you try to do something about it. Though no one else seems to realise what is wrong the female work-force respond to proper emotional discipline, and start to function a little less hysterically...their health, willingness to work, put themselves out, even, gives you a foothold into correcting the faults, as you see them, whilst maintaining the level of efficiency demanded by the powers that be. After its all over and you have time to reflect you realise that this behaviour pattern is being mirrored in many other walks of life and regardless of what anyone else thinks...I know...the dangers and health problems this callous behaviour causes, and I know who causes it.
NM you are a sexist creep and that is me being very polite. >:( If you have any women in you life, I wonder if they feel like me and would like to hang you up from the nearest church steeple by your dangly bits?
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Always hostile remarks to a person guided by Christian love! No matter...it was all part of the training. You see It's your health we are talking about and we have established, via scientific insight, that our living-cells generate a tiny electric force when they replicate and this energy can be used in its acumulation in a wonderful way. Every expression we make is fired by this energy whether physical or emotional but when we get older there is seldom enough energy to do the things we want to...more than that....not enough to maintain the replicating forces to remain genetically healthy...hence all manner of health problems....But we have got to the root of all these problems...it is this electric force and if we are alive then we are able to harness it for solid health reasons no matter how weak we have made ourselves or how depleted our energy reserves are...but it requires a huge shift in our attitudes and our outlook on life.
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NM you are a sexist creep and that is me being very polite. >:( If you have any women in you life, I wonder if they feel like me and would like to hang you up from the nearest church steeple by your dangly bits?
Church steeple?
Why a church steeple?
NM iisn't a believer in the Triune God, so he wouldn't wan
t to be near one.
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Always hostile remarks to a person guided by Christian love! No matter...it was all part of the training. You see It's your health we are talking about and we have established, via scientific insight, that our living-cells generate a tiny electric force when they replicate and this energy can be used in its acumulation in a wonderful way. Every expression we make is fired by this energy whether physical or emotional but when we get older there is seldom enough energy to do the things we want to...more than that....not enough to maintain the replicating forces to remain genetically healthy...hence all manner of health problems....But we have got to the root of all these problems...it is this electric force and if we are alive then we are able to harness it for solid health reasons no matter how weak we have made ourselves or how depleted our energy reserves are...but it requires a huge shift in our attitudes and our outlook on life.
You have established diddly squat- except to show that you can add health to medicine, chemistry, physics, astronomy, history and, sadly, theology, to the list of things of which you remain rooted in ignorance.
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Church steeple?
Why a church steeple?
NM iisn't a believer in the Triune God, so he wouldn't wan
t to be near one.
Nothing to do with religion, it is usually the highest building around for the purpose I have in mind. ;D
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NM you are a sexist creep and that is me being very polite. >:( If you have any women in you life, I wonder if they feel like me and would like to hang you up from the nearest church steeple by your dangly bits?
Why sexist?
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Well...you start off with a factory full of distressed women...you work out why they are so jumpy, drained, emotionally distressed and you try to do something about it. Though no one else seems to realise what is wrong the female work-force respond to proper emotional discipline, and start to function a little less hysterically...their health, willingness to work, put themselves out, even, gives you a foothold into correcting the faults, as you see them, whilst maintaining the level of efficiency demanded by the powers that be. After its all over and you have time to reflect you realise that this behaviour pattern is being mirrored in many other walks of life and regardless of what anyone else thinks...I know...the dangers and health problems this callous behaviour causes, and I know who causes it.
Do you talk to people at work like this ? Little wonder you have a factory full of 'hysterical emotionally drained' women. Two and two together and all that.
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Why sexist?
Because his post portrays a group of women as helpless, and'hysterical', a long established slur that women are emotionally unstable, in need of 'emotional discipline'.
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So sad...when all I really want to discus is the loving kindness and protection offered by the wonderful science that is the foundation stone behind the teaching of our saviour, Jesus Christ. You see, he is lead scientist behind everything I say...and one of the most profitable of these teachings, as far as our individual health is concerned, is how to harness this invisible energy that is all around us and which serves as a substitute for what our living cells should be generating, but can't, because of our sustained and irresponsible overexpression. Have you ever wondered why intellectuals, students and philosophers have a high mental health problem...it is because they squeeze out all their nervous strength following demands for perfection which can only be achieved via, careful nervous application of this energy, and the most efficient way to do this is by following the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...and for that, you don't need me, and certainly not iniquity...Just you and your saviour, Jesus Christ.
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Because his post portrays a group of women as helpless, and'hysterical', a long established slur that women are emotionally unstable, in need of 'emotional discipline'.
That could be one way of looking at it but not the way I looked at it. It was a set of circumstances I walked into and therefore the setting for some very serious consideration. We all work at our own hysterical pitch. whether man or woman but our physical differences make us respond differently to different circumstances...my science has to take note of that fact...and there aren't many men who physically have babies.
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That could be one way of looking at it but not the way I looked at it. It was a set of circumstances I walked into and therefore the setting for some very serious consideration. We all work at our own hysterical pitch. whether man or woman but our physical differences make us respond differently to different circumstances...my science has to take note of that fact...and there aren't many men who physically have babies.
You haven't done any science. You haven't despite being asked said anything about what you did other than be patronising.
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Why sexist?
the female work-force respond to proper emotional discipline, and start to function a little less hysterically.
Doesn't that strike you as a sexist comment?
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the female work-force respond to proper emotional discipline, and start to function a little less hysterically.
Doesn't that strike you as a sexist comment?
Was the workforce female? If it was a mixed workforce and he has labelled the females within that as being all hysterical etc then yes, but if the workforce were all female and they were hysterical is that being sexist to say it?
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Was the workforce female? If it was a mixed workforce and he has labelled the females within that as being all hysterical etc then yes, but if the workforce were all female and they were hysterical is that being sexist to say it?
I got the impression it was a mixed workforce, males were needed to impose emotional discipline on women.
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Was the workforce female? If it was a mixed workforce and he has labelled the females within that as being all hysterical etc then yes, but if the workforce were all female and they were hysterical is that being sexist to say it?
It is to say that they were 'hysterical', as already noted a long time traditions slur on women, and that they needed 'emotional discipline'.
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You see why I'm the scientist here and not you lot. Your ok with the nasty snap-back but find it impossible to talk seriously, honestly, and caringly over a topic that has everyone of our best interests at heart.
We have established that a party of people project a hysterical tension...'The air was electric.'
We have established that this is an inner electric property expressed by our nervous tension.
And we have detected that this inner electric property is at the root of many of our illnesses...
The individual living cell is the only force within us that can generate this electric property, in its purest form, because it works using certain electric properties needed to explain its replicating existence.
The ganging up of many people to ridicule and besmirch a valid line of reasoning is reminiscent of the bunching together of rogue cells to form a tumor and this is also a point contained within my research...a knowledge all gathered from the accurate Christian teaching of Jesus Christ and carries the hall-mark of a Biblical expression known as the antiChrist.
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You see why I'm the scientist here and not you lot. Your ok with the nasty snap-back but find it impossible to talk seriously, honestly, and caringly over a topic that has everyone of our best interests at heart.
We have established that a party of people project a hysterical tension...'The air was electric.'
We have established that this is an inner electric property expressed by our nervous tension.
And we have detected that this inner electric property is at the root of many of our illnesses...
The individual living cell is the only force within us that can generate this electric property, in its purest form, because it works using certain electric properties needed to explain its replicating existence.
The ganging up of many people to ridicule and besmirch a valid line of reasoning is reminiscent of the bunching together of rogue cells to form a tumor and this is also a point contained within my research...a knowledge all gathered from the accurate Christian teaching of Jesus Christ and carries the hall-mark of a Biblical expression known as the antiChrist.
No, you haven't established anything, other than that you aren't doing any science.
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You see why I'm the scientist here and not you lot. Your ok with the nasty snap-back but find it impossible to talk seriously, honestly, and caringly over a topic that has everyone of our best interests at heart.
We have established that a party of people project a hysterical tension...'The air was electric.'
We have established that this is an inner electric property expressed by our nervous tension.
And we have detected that this inner electric property is at the root of many of our illnesses...
The individual living cell is the only force within us that can generate this electric property, in its purest form, because it works using certain electric properties needed to explain its replicating existence.
The ganging up of many people to ridicule and besmirch a valid line of reasoning is reminiscent of the bunching together of rogue cells to form a tumor and this is also a point contained within my research...a knowledge all gathered from the accurate Christian teaching of Jesus Christ and carries the hall-mark of a Biblical expression known as the antiChrist.
What is clear from your posts is that you haven't a clue what science actually is.
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It is to say that they were 'hysterical', as already noted a long time traditions slur on women, and that they needed 'emotional discipline'.
Perhaps NM could explain what he means by that.
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Perhaps NM could explain what he means by that.
Perhaps he can but as written it seems deeply sexist to me.
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Yes, it may well be.
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You see why I'm the scientist here and not you lot.
You're not a scientist, Nick, and neither am I: most here aren't scientists but we do have some who are/were. There is always a risk in claiming expertise in something you aren't and especially when talking to those who do have the type of expertise you don't.
Your ok with the nasty snap-back but find it impossible to talk seriously, honestly, and caringly over a topic that has everyone of our best interests at heart.
Pointing out that you aren't what you think yourself to be isn't 'nasty' and your interests are best served by people pointing out to you when your are wrong.
We have established that a party of people project a hysterical tension...'The air was electric.'
That expression is just metaphor, Nick. Of course, depending on circumstances, we can all feel excitable or stressed at times, and often justifiably. How do you diagnose 'hysterical tension' and in what way are you qualified to do so?
We have established that this is an inner electric property expressed by our nervous tension.
No 'we' haven't: this is hyperbole so perhaps it is just you becoming over-excited.
And we have detected that this inner electric property is at the root of many of our illnesses...
Wrong, and you've been told you are wrong many times.
The individual living cell is the only force within us that can generate this electric property, in its purest form, because it works using certain electric properties needed to explain its replicating existence.
Wrong again, with yet more hyperbole and a dash of incoherence.
The ganging up of many people to ridicule and besmirch a valid line of reasoning is reminiscent of the bunching together of rogue cells to form a tumor and this is also a point contained within my research...a knowledge all gathered from the accurate Christian teaching of Jesus Christ and carries the hall-mark of a Biblical expression known as the antiChrist.
You don't have a valid line of reasoning, Nick, and instead you are in thrall to your over-enthusiastic assumptions about science, people and theology - and none of your assumptions are either valid or reasonable.
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You don't have a valid line of reasoning, Nick, ...
When you can demonstrate why Nick is incorrect, then you will be in a position suitable for making this kind of statement. Until then ...
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When you can demonstrate why Nick is incorrect, then you will be in a position suitable for making this kind of statement. Until then ...
You demonstrate NM is right.
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When you can demonstrate why Nick is incorrect, then you will be in a position suitable for making this kind of statement. Until then ...
Gordon's post did that. I note you make no argument against any of it.
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You see why I'm the scientist here and not you lot..
Common sense tells us that you are far, very far, from being a scientist.
The proof is in every one of your posts where science is mentioned.
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You haven't done any science. You haven't despite being asked said anything about what you did other than be patronising.
Maybe he's studied the science of being patronising?
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When you can demonstrate why Nick is incorrect, then you will be in a position suitable for making this kind of statement. Until then ...
More than anyone, Nick's posts fall into the category of 'not even wrong'.
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I would suggest that bringing the Holy Bible into the scientific arena and building a wonderful science out of the combined logic is proof enough that I have discovered things of vital importance that it is in your own interest to pursue. The true electric nature of the universe and how it impacts upon us all...especially in our health...is why Jesus Christ was so adamant about it all. If the world was a wonderful, healthy environment, with few health problems and the people getting big bucks out of it all were actively securing our future maybe we wouldn't need any help...but quite the opposite is true. Our biggest problem is that though we are conceived with many of these part-atoms which generate our growth and development we, by the lack of self discipline waste them via our promiscuity and become depleted of them. This is why we age and die...the same internal forces that generates our nervous strength is expelled, en masse, and as they are responsible for repair, replication, and development, constant and continual wastage is like self harming ourselves...and the consequences of that is plain to see in all our health problems. If I were you, I would accept it's all a bit too complicated for you and follow Jesus Christ's example...put on a new attitude...find out why he said and did what he said and did...realise it is a code played out to deliver a wonderful science to an unscientific people...and repent.
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I would suggest that bringing the Holy Bible into the scientific arena and building a wonderful science out of the combined logic is proof enough that I have discovered things of vital importance that it is in your own interest to pursue. The true electric nature of the universe and how it impacts upon us all...especially in our health...
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Common sense tells us Nick, that none if the above is actually fact but that it is the product of an over active imagination.
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I would suggest that bringing the Holy Bible into the scientific arena and building a wonderful science out of the combined logic is proof enough that I have discovered things of vital importance that it is in your own interest to pursue. The true electric nature of the universe and how it impacts upon us all...especially in our health...is why Jesus Christ was so adamant about it all. If the world was a wonderful, healthy environment, with few health problems and the people getting big bucks out of it all were actively securing our future maybe we wouldn't need any help...but quite the opposite is true. Our biggest problem is that though we are conceived with many of these part-atoms which generate our growth and development we, by the lack of self discipline waste them via our promiscuity and become depleted of them. This is why we age and die...the same internal forces that generates our nervous strength is expelled, en masse, and as they are responsible for repair, replication, and development, constant and continual wastage is like self harming ourselves...and the consequences of that is plain to see in all our health problems. If I were you, I would accept it's all a bit too complicated for you and follow Jesus Christ's example...put on a new attitude...find out why he said and did what he said and did...realise it is a code played out to deliver a wonderful science to an unscientific people...and repent.
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Except empty baseless assertions aren't really that complicated, Nicholas. Instead of just indulging in telling people that they aren't clever enough to understand what you are saying, or writing patronising sexist drivel about hysterical women, why not detail the hypothesis you put forward, how you tested it and what results you got?
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I would suggest that bringing the Holy Bible into the scientific arena and building a wonderful science out of the combined logic is proof enough that I have discovered things of vital importance that it is in your own interest to pursue. The true electric nature of the universe and how it impacts upon us all...especially in our health...is why Jesus Christ was so adamant about it all. If the world was a wonderful, healthy environment, with few health problems and the people getting big bucks out of it all were actively securing our future maybe we wouldn't need any help...but quite the opposite is true. Our biggest problem is that though we are conceived with many of these part-atoms which generate our growth and development we, by the lack of self discipline waste them via our promiscuity and become depleted of them. This is why we age and die...the same internal forces that generates our nervous strength is expelled, en masse, and as they are responsible for repair, replication, and development, constant and continual wastage is like self harming ourselves...and the consequences of that is plain to see in all our health problems. If I were you, I would accept it's all a bit too complicated for you and follow Jesus Christ's example...put on a new attitude...find out why he said and did what he said and did...realise it is a code played out to deliver a wonderful science to an unscientific people...and repent.
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More nonsensical drivel, it is you who hasn't a clue about science.
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Except empty baseless assertions aren't really that complicated, Nicholas. Instead of just indulging in telling people that they aren't clever enough to understand what you are saying, or writing patronising sexist drivel about hysterical women, why not detail the hypothesis you put forward, how you tested it and what results you got?
Though your salvation is of no interest to you it matters to Jesus Christ and his father Almighty God, and, therefore, it matters to me. Though you sneer and scoff we are living in an age which is threatened in a terrible way that justifies God's statement that if he didn't intervene, all life would be lost...but because of the faithful, and only because of the faithful, he will intervene.
The best way to intervene is to tell you how we can protect ourselves by scientifically tuning into the highest scientific laws available to us and it is no coincidence that this is embodied within Jesus Christ's accurate teaching...a science that says we have an inner electrical being that can be resurrected, if necessary, whilst this terrible force roams around our planet treating all those with no righteous strength with utter contempt. The net result will be a sorting out of those who have defied the science and those who haven't...those who are prepared to live honestly and responsibly and those who aren't. Showing our willingness to respond now, to the highest authority in the universe, is the only scientific way forward. Internal damnation means that the part of us that never dies will be spiritually evicted from this planet in the way defined in Revelation 21:8
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Though your salvation is of no interest to you it matters to Jesus Christ and his father Almighty God, and, therefore, it matters to me. Though you sneer and scoff we are living in an age which is threatened in a terrible way that justifies God's statement that if he didn't intervene, all life would be lost...but because of the faithful, and only because of the faithful, he will intervene.
The best way to intervene is to tell you how we can protect ourselves by scientifically tuning into the highest scientific laws available to us and it is no coincidence that this is embodied within Jesus Christ's accurate teaching...a science that says we have an inner electrical being that can be resurrected, if necessary, whilst this terrible force roams around our planet treating all those with no righteous strength with utter contempt. The net result will be a sorting out of those who have defied the science and those who haven't...those who are prepared to live honestly and responsibly and those who aren't. Showing our willingness to respond now, to the highest authority in the universe, is the only scientific way forward. Internal damnation means that the part of us that never dies will be spiritually evicted from this planet in the way defined in Revelation 21:8
How would you falsify your hypothesis, Nicholas?
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How would you falsify your hypothesis, Nicholas?
That's easy...it's all in the Holy Bible. The book of truth written by responsible people at the behest of the highest authority in the universe and whom I greatly admire and respect, even worship, because of the truth he conveys to the willing mind. There is much evidence to suggest that that time of God's Judgement is imminent but you have closed your mind from believing that Biblical truth, honesty, responsibility and good order can win the day for those who are prepared to endure it all righteously, but that is up to you.
The most recent indicator on the world stage is the coming together of the Jews, in there own lands, in a world where you would have thought it impossible but was prophesied generations ago. It isn't that these people uphold righteousness as Jesus taught us, but because it proves God's ability in foretelling truth and so the coming of Wormwood is a truth and all the supporters of that teaching who include those building underground battlements and who are actively preparing for it, are telling us that it is a hidden truth, and the fact that you have fallen for the deceit surrounding it means that those who you think will save you are not letting you into the loop. That would concern me.
Still...I think you still have a chance with the science...Jesus will forgive many things but there are things he will not forgive and most of them are listed in Revelation 21:8...but there are others.
I now realise that that doesn't quite answer your question but it is useful for you to know anyway.
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Look, NM; Yes, I accept prophesy - how could I not? But you simply cannot use Scripture alone as your 'evidence'. Scripture is not evidence for Scripture. You need to back up your theories with solid, scientific, peer reviewed evidence - not insane Youtube ramblings. Wormwood - I assume you mean a planet - has not been detected. Even a planetoid the size of Pluto would show up on the radio telescopes. Science - that's real science - would tell you that such a massive object would take decades travelling at high speed to reach us...decades in which it would appear larger with every passing day. It has not been detected in our solar system, unlesss it is invisible. You have provided not one singlr iota of extra-Biblical evidence to back your stance - not one iota, NM. Merely re-stating "I have proved..." when without citing evidence those who do not accept Scripture can check, not only shows your theories empty, but may convince those thinking about choosing Christ to choos atheism instead. Is this your aim? Because unless you can support your claims with real,peer reviewed evidence, that is the inevitable result.
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That's easy...it's all in the Holy Bible. The book of truth written by responsible people at the behest of the highest authority in the universe and whom I greatly admire and respect, even worship, because of the truth he conveys to the willing mind. There is much evidence to suggest that that time of God's Judgement is imminent but you have closed your mind from believing that Biblical truth, honesty, responsibility and good order can win the day for those who are prepared to endure it all righteously, but that is up to you.
The most recent indicator on the world stage is the coming together of the Jews, in there own lands, in a world where you would have thought it impossible but was prophesied generations ago. It isn't that these people uphold righteousness as Jesus taught us, but because it proves God's ability in foretelling truth and so the coming of Wormwood is a truth and all the supporters of that teaching who include those building underground battlements and who are actively preparing for it, are telling us that it is a hidden truth, and the fact that you have fallen for the deceit surrounding it means that those who you think will save you are not letting you into the loop. That would concern me.
Still...I think you still have a chance with the science...Jesus will forgive many things but there are things he will not forgive and most of them are listed in Revelation 21:8...but there are others.
I now realise that that doesn't quite answer your question but it is useful for you to know anyway.
All you are doing is emphasising the fact that you have a clue what you are talking about.
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That's easy...it's all in the Holy Bible. The book of truth written by responsible people at the behest of the highest authority in the universe and whom I greatly admire and respect, even worship, because of the truth he conveys to the willing mind. There is much evidence to suggest that that time of God's Judgement is imminent but you have closed your mind from believing that Biblical truth, honesty, responsibility and good order can win the day for those who are prepared to endure it all righteously, but that is up to you.
The most recent indicator on the world stage is the coming together of the Jews, in there own lands, in a world where you would have thought it impossible but was prophesied generations ago. It isn't that these people uphold righteousness as Jesus taught us, but because it proves God's ability in foretelling truth and so the coming of Wormwood is a truth and all the supporters of that teaching who include those building underground battlements and who are actively preparing for it, are telling us that it is a hidden truth, and the fact that you have fallen for the deceit surrounding it means that those who you think will save you are not letting you into the loop. That would concern me.
Still...I think you still have a chance with the science...Jesus will forgive many things but there are things he will not forgive and most of them are listed in Revelation 21:8...but there are others.
I now realise that that doesn't quite answer your question but it is useful for you to know anyway.
It doesn't answer my question at all. It does illustrate that you aren't doing science.
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Look, NM; Yes, I accept prophesy - how could I not? But you simply cannot use Scripture alone as your 'evidence'. Scripture is not evidence for Scripture. You need to back up your theories with solid, scientific, peer reviewed evidence - not insane Youtube ramblings. Wormwood - I assume you mean a planet - has not been detected. Even a planetoid the size of Pluto would show up on the radio telescopes. Science - that's real science - would tell you that such a massive object would take decades travelling at high speed to reach us...decades in which it would appear larger with every passing day. It has not been detected in our solar system, unlesss it is invisible. You have provided not one singlr iota of extra-Biblical evidence to back your stance - not one iota, NM. Merely re-stating "I have proved..." when without citing evidence those who do not accept Scripture can check, not only shows your theories empty, but may convince those thinking about choosing Christ to choos atheism instead. Is this your aim? Because unless you can support your claims with real,peer reviewed evidence, that is the inevitable result.
Here's a possible site for NM....... https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/asteroidwatch/
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When you get into the science which says the whole universe is the structure of a massless energy hurtling through the huge abyss of space at very high speed, and, in the process, is creating points of friction between the original static state of the universe and the now high-speed state, you too will be able to join the science and realise that all the secondary science like evolution, star formation, health, gravity, electric fields, and everything else in the universe has a ready explanation. This is what Almighty God is telling us...he is the highest authority over all this knowledge and has a few million years head start over all of us. Though this massless energy is invisible it can form in set patterns and we can detect it by exploring those patterns. Jesus Christ taught us the highest behaviour pattern of them all. It incorporates repair, resurrection and everlasting life into its data-base and Almighty God is the Creator of the universe because he is the Creator and refiner of that science which the universe must obey. It is the science of righteousness and is the code of conduct we must all follow if we want to avoid that one way trip which is guaranteed to hit us all in one way or another, and the only protection of any value is in following the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ. That isn't me telling you, it is Jesus Christ himself.
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When you get into the science which says the whole universe is the structure of a massless energy hurtling through the huge abyss of space at very high speed, and, in the process, is creating points of friction between the original static state of the universe and the now high-speed state, you too will be able to join the science and realise that all the secondary science like evolution, star formation, health, gravity, electric fields, and everything else in the universe has a ready explanation.
That reads like the opening paragraph of a fantasy novel.
This is what Almighty God is telling us...he is the highest authority over all this knowledge and has a few million years head start over all of us. Though this massless energy is invisible it can form in set patterns and we can detect it by exploring those patterns. Jesus Christ taught us the highest behaviour pattern of them all. It incorporates repair, resurrection and everlasting life into its data-base and Almighty God is the Creator of the universe because he is the Creator and refiner of that science which the universe must obey. It is the science of righteousness and is the code of conduct we must all follow if we want to avoid that one way trip which is guaranteed to hit us all in one way or another, and the only protection of any value is in following the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.
This could be the following paragraph, as you start to outline the plot.
That isn't me telling you, it is Jesus Christ himself.
No Nick: it's you, since the chap you refer to has been dead these last 2,000 years or so.
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That reads like the opening paragraph of a fantasy novel.
This could be the following paragraph, as you start to outline the plot.
No Nick: it's you, since the chap you refer to has been dead these last 2,000 years or so.
This is where it helps if you read the Holy Bible. Jesus was resurrected and lifted up into Heaven where he sits at the right hand of his father waiting for these terrible great tribulations to pass. It is the result of scientifically harnessing this indestructible energy in a righteous way...that is why I can be so bold in my stance about it. Everyone who reaches out for Jesus Christ reaches out for a share in this free energy...which equates to a share in the promises attached to it...promises made by Jesus himself along with a sentence passed on to all those who refuse to follow righteousness...eternal damnation. I cannot stop that penalty from being fulfilled, only the individual involved can repent and make his peace with Almighty God...but I can help. To achieve forgiveness we must follow Jesus Christ...accurately.
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When you get into the science which says the whole universe is the structure of a massless energy hurtling through the huge abyss of space at very high speed, and, in the process, is creating points of friction between the original static state of the universe and the now high-speed state, you too will be able to join the science and realise that all the secondary science like evolution, star formation, health, gravity, electric fields, and everything else in the universe has a ready explanation.
Common sense tells us Nick, that all if the above is not science. It is however plainly the product if an over active imagination.
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It won't be my science then that discovers how half the body goes numb by virtue of our attitude towards our
Creator's son causing us to start dying internally long before we die...or that this lack of breathing to full capacity in that numbed lung, over a sustained period causes us to be susceptible to blood clotting...strokes...brain tumours...heart disease...dementia...and a few other things besides. It's my latest project...but it is early days yet..so pretend I haven't told you...but the evidence, so far, indicates I'm on the right track...and It will be all thanks to Jesus Christ's accurate teaching...itself, a science.
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It won't be my science then that discovers how half the body goes numb by virtue of our attitude towards our
Creator's son causing us to start dying internally long before we die...or that this lack of breathing to full capacity in that numbed lung, over a sustained period causes us to be susceptible to blood clotting...strokes...brain tumours...heart disease...dementia...and a few other things besides. It's my latest project...but it is early days yet..so pretend I haven't told you...but the evidence, so far, indicates I'm on the right track...and It will be all thanks to Jesus Christ's accurate teaching...itself, a science.
How are you going to test your hypothesis? How will you falsify it?
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It won't be my science then that discovers how half the body goes numb by virtue of our attitude towards our
Creator's son causing us to start dying internally long before we die...or that this lack of breathing to full capacity in that numbed lung, over a sustained period causes us to be susceptible to blood clotting...strokes...brain tumours...heart disease...dementia...and a few other things besides. It's my latest project...but it is early days yet..so pretend I haven't told you...but the evidence, so far, indicates I'm on the right track...and It will be all thanks to Jesus Christ's accurate teaching...itself, a science.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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It won't be my science ....(blah, blah)
Nick, common sense tells us that what you call science is far removed from real, actual science.
In fact it belongs in the realms of fiction. Not even Science Fiction as that would give it a smidgin if credibility, which it wouldn't deserve.
Fantasy, that's where common sense would put it.
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How are you going to test your hypothesis? How will you falsify it?
That will be easy for the scientist because he knows what his target is and what to expect...and when the science is indisputable, you will know as well. In the meantime it might be wise to follow Jesus Christ's accurate teaching knowing that you are interacting with Almighty God's science in a wonderful way.
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That will be easy for the scientist because he knows what his target is and what to expect...and when the science is indisputable, you will know as well. In the meantime it might be wise to follow Jesus Christ's accurate teaching knowing that you are interacting with Almighty God's science in a wonderful way.
You haven't provided any evidence to support your science fantasy.
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That will be easy for the scientist because he knows what his target is and what to expect...and when the science is indisputable, you will know as well. In the meantime it might be wise to follow Jesus Christ's accurate teaching knowing that you are interacting with Almighty God's science in a wonderful way.
So you don't know what tests you would run, and you don't know what would falsifyy your hypothesis. And in talking about indisputable science, you again demonstrate that you aren't do science.
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So you don't know what tests you would run, and you don't know what would falsifyy your hypothesis. And in talking about indisputable science, you again demonstrate that you aren't do science.
I have given you a strong indication on how to use the science while you are waiting...after all...Rome wasn't built in a day....but many of the points of scientific veracity can be found in this and other of my posts...we just need to read them carefully...It all works because the living-cell works the way I describe...or rather...fails, because we ignore its electrical significance....Time to change our attitudes and follow the science's founder...Jesus Christ, accurately.
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I have given you a strong indication on how to use the science while you are waiting...after all...Rome wasn't built in a day....but many of the points of scientific veracity can be found in this and other of my posts...we just need to read them carefully...It all works because the living-cell works the way I describe...or rather...fails, because we ignore its electrical significance....Time to change our attitudes and follow the science's founder...Jesus Christ, accurately.
More assertion, no veracity. You have stated that you have demonstrated stuff - what tests did you run to do so? and how did you attempt to falsify the idea?
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When you can demonstrate why Nick is incorrect, then you will be in a position suitable for making this kind of statement. Until then ...
Well, if Nick is getting some support from SOTS, he must surely be thinking on the right lines!!
Erm - SOTS, you will find that NM repeatedly makes correlations between 'science' and the Bible. It is fairly easy to demonstrate that the 'science' that NM asserts is not in the Bible. And real science isn't either - I challenge you to cite anything that Nick has said about his purported 'science' as having its origins in the Bible - other than believing that God is the creator. (In fact, you'll find he's even rather equivocal on this, since you often find him saying that 'God owns this or that'. He has even suggested that God 'came upon this planet, finding it formless and void, and brought it to life', as if he were an alien intelligence wandering through the universe.)
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More assertion, no veracity. You have stated that you have demonstrated stuff - what tests did you run to do so? and how did you attempt to falsify the idea?
Nick haven't you noticed that it's not just one or two people posting here on the forum that think your ideas are somewhat on the potty side, every one that posts on the forum keeps on telling you, even your fellow believers keep on telling you your ideas are potty, surly when everyone is telling you the same thing, come on Nick, you must be able to hear the bells wringing by now?
Regards ippy.
P S Nick, it's only SoTS, giving you any support but there if you're looking for really sharp tools?
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Actually, ippy, were Sots to delve into NM's idea of who Christ is, I thank his support would evaporate in the same way as everyone else's.
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Actually, ippy, were Sots to delve into NM's idea of who Christ is, I thank his support would evaporate in the same way as everyone else's.
Doesn't really help when SotS makes posts claiming that Buck's arguments aren't dealt with in reply to posts that do exactly that. He isn't doing anything constructive.
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Actually, ippy, were Sots to delve into NM's idea of who Christ is, I thank his support would evaporate in the same way as everyone else's.
That would be far to deep for Sots.
Regards ippy
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The one single scientific, and Biblical point that no one seems to grasp is that the Holy Bible introduces us to a two dimensional universe...God's and ours. Those that pray, pray into a different dimension to reach God and this tells us that we can interact with this primary dimension as well. My analysis of all science tells me that every atomic particle is bonded to its nucleus because of a friction point at its core that not only holds the atom together but actually built that atom in the first place because those two dimensions clash in a wonderful way. The clear scientific distinction between these two dimensions are the big-bang where all this indestructable energy in the universe began hurtling through space at high-speed over the top of the static dimension that lies beneath it and that this recipe produced all science...so Almighty God and Jesus Christ were right all along...and reveal many valuable and worthwhile things to harness their science by and which all revolves around righteousness.
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Nope. The whole point of Scripture, whether one accepts it or not, is not a two dimentional univers. Not even a three dimentional universe. Time is a dimention, NM - that's science, unless you have not as yet grasped the fact. Scripture talks of a God who is, was and will be, yet present in the now - yes, that's theology jargon, and I hate using jargon. So whatever your 'research' - for which, needless to say, you have not published one iota of peer reviewed evidence - your theology is ar variance with virtually all Christian mainstream theology.
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The one single scientific, and Biblical point that no one seems to grasp is that the Holy Bible introduces us to a two dimensional universe...God's and ours. Those that pray, pray into a different dimension to reach God and this tells us that we can interact with this primary dimension as well. My analysis of all science tells me that every atomic particle is bonded to its nucleus because of a friction point at its core that not only holds the atom together but actually built that atom in the first place because those two dimensions clash in a wonderful way. The clear scientific distinction between these two dimensions are the big-bang where all this indestructable energy in the universe began hurtling through space at high-speed over the top of the static dimension that lies beneath it and that this recipe produced all science...so Almighty God and Jesus Christ were right all along...and reveal many valuable and worthwhile things to harness their science by and which all revolves around righteousness.
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Nope. The whole point of Scripture, whether one accepts it or not, is not a two dimentional univers. Not even a three dimentional universe. Time is a dimention, NM - that's science, unless you have not as yet grasped the fact. Scripture talks of a God who is, was and will be, yet present in the now - yes, that's theology jargon, and I hate using jargon. So whatever your 'research' - for which, needless to say, you have not published one iota of peer reviewed evidence - your theology is ar variance with virtually all Christian mainstream theology.
Nope...the whole point of scripture is to build Heaven here on Earth according to righteous law. It's a bit pointless before all the evil have been removed from here but we can, individually, comply with righteousness now, so that we are ready for that event which will creep up on us like a pregnant lady's great tribulations lead up to childbirth. Your analogy of the situation reminds me of a man who fell into a lake and who couldn't swim, but when someone tried to save them he demanded to see his rescuers life saving credentials before he would allow himself to saved by them. My peer reviewed evidence is the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...but only his version...which millions have clung to at times of great distress and often compliment Jesus afterwards.
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The one single scientific, and Biblical point that no one seems to grasp is that the Holy Bible introduces us to a two dimensional universe...God's and ours. Those that pray, pray into a different dimension to reach God and this tells us that we can interact with this primary dimension as well. My analysis of all science tells me that every atomic particle is bonded to its nucleus because of a friction point at its core that not only holds the atom together but actually built that atom in the first place because those two dimensions clash in a wonderful way. The clear scientific distinction between these two dimensions are the big-bang where all this indestructable energy in the universe began hurtling through space at high-speed over the top of the static dimension that lies beneath it and that this recipe produced all science...so Almighty God and Jesus Christ were right all along...and reveal many valuable and worthwhile things to harness their science by and which all revolves around righteousness.
Common sense tells us Nick, that the above is "not even science"".
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The one single scientific, and Biblical point that no one seems to grasp is that the Holy Bible introduces us to a two dimensional universe...God's and ours. Those that pray, pray into a different dimension to reach God and this tells us that we can interact with this primary dimension as well. My analysis of all science tells me that every atomic particle is bonded to its nucleus because of a friction point at its core that not only holds the atom together but actually built that atom in the first place because those two dimensions clash in a wonderful way. The clear scientific distinction between these two dimensions are the big-bang where all this indestructable energy in the universe began hurtling through space at high-speed over the top of the static dimension that lies beneath it and that this recipe produced all science...so Almighty God and Jesus Christ were right all along...and reveal many valuable and worthwhile things to harness their science by and which all revolves around righteousness.
What you don't seem to grasp is your posts only make sense to you.
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NM "my analysis of all science" i dont know what to say next. . . . . . . im trying to think of something. . . . . . . .still trying. . . . . . . . nope. I really think youve lost it.
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Common sense tells us Nick, that the above is "not even science"".
One of your problems is that though you realise that the universe is a huge and complicated place, that there may be others out there with a scientific knowledge way in advance to ours and who could have well relaunched this planet after a great catastrophe which is Biblically likened to the 'last days' of this wicked system of things, whereby, if Almighty God didn't get involved, no one would be saved...but the faithful will be saved...they just need to trim their lamps a little which means follow Jesus Christ, but not iniquity. Jesus tells us of these...Do as they say, but not as they do.
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One of your problems is that though you realise that the universe is a huge and complicated place, that there may be others out there with a scientific knowledge way in advance to ours and who could have well relaunched this planet after a great catastrophe which is Biblically likened to the 'last days' of this wicked system of things, whereby, if Almighty God didn't get involved, no one would be saved...but the faithful will be saved...they just need to trim their lamps a little which means follow Jesus Christ, but not iniquity. Jesus tells us of these...Do as they say, but not as they do.
Common sense tells me that my original statement is correct.
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NM "my analysis of all science" i dont know what to say next. . . . . . . im trying to think of something. . . . . . . .still trying. . . . . . . . nope. I really think youve lost it.
The problem with cutting yourself off from Almighty God and Jesus Christ is that you cut yourself off from their science. You cease to be a fruit of the vine and in no way can you nourish yourself from the spiritual water of that vine. This water is the electric energy that spewed out the entire science that exists in the universe and you will be isolated from it unless you can repent. That isn't me telling you this, it is science and the Holy Bible telling you.
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The problem with cutting yourself off from Almighty God and Jesus Christ is that you cut yourself off from their science. You cease to be a fruit of the vine and in no way can you nourish yourself from the spiritual water of that vine. This water is the electric energy that spewed out the entire science that exists in the universe and you will be isolated from it unless you can repent. That isn't me telling you this, it is science and the Holy Bible telling you.
Drivel.
Nowhere - nowhere at all - a the Living water described as electrical energy.
Nowhere - nowhere at all - is God's purpose and action described as 'science'.
Those words do not occur in Scripture - don't try to put them there - that, you might just realise, might be a quilifier as a sin against the Holy Spirit....and if you read the Bible - not the NWT - accurately, you'll realise that sinning against Him is not a good idea.
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I bet god if it exists is really impressed with NM's 'science', NOT!
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The problem with cutting yourself off from Almighty God and Jesus Christ is that you cut yourself off from their science. You cease to be a fruit of the vine and in no way can you nourish yourself from the spiritual water of that vine. This water is the electric energy that spewed out the entire science that exists in the universe and you will be isolated from it unless you can repent. That isn't me telling you this, it is science and the Holy Bible telling you.
No it isn't, it is you claiming this. Science says nothing about water being electric energy spewing out science and neither does the Bible. Stop lying you fraud.
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I don't know why NM keeps rabbiting on about 'science', which has nothing to do with actual science. No one takes him seriously, on this forum, as I bet no one does in real life either. It would be interesting to hear his views on other topics on this forum, but I guess he would bring his fantasy world of 'science' into that too. ::)
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I don't know why NM keeps rabbiting on about 'science', which has nothing to do with actual science. No one takes him seriously, on this forum, ...
Then why do you keep on commenting on his posts?
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Then why do you keep on commenting on his posts?
I'm looking for the Forum rule that says 'No posting allowed if you don't take the posts seriously'.
I cannot find it, maybe you can help?
p.s do you take Susan's posts seriously?
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Then why do you keep on commenting on his posts?
I ask myself the same question.
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Not that you can see many of them now-a-days, but when you look into the heavens you see the super-abundance of the electric energy that I'm talking about...The Holy Bible calls it God's Mighty Power and God's superabundant dynamic energy...take your pick...but it also doubles as God's Fountain of Living Waters and this must be scientifically dispersed around the universe in a way that satisfies science and satisfies the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ. Whenever there is a dense universal property, as in stars and atoms, we should look for its purest form...its un-dense form...and this is God's Living Waters...an invisible, massless property that is made known to us by an indisputable cycle of behaviour patterns that fires all atomic behaviour patterns and the living-cell, in all its many genetic behaviour patterns. I have done it for you but its perhaps best, from the examples of your abilities shown here, if you just try and follow Jesus Christ accurately, because, without his input, it appears that many of you will remain lost, even when that great catastrophe we are all forewarned about, strikes.
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Not that you can see many of them now-a-days, but when you look into the heavens you see the super-abundance of the electric energy that I'm talking about...The Holy Bible calls it God's Mighty Power and God's superabundant dynamic energy...take your pick...but it also doubles as God's Fountain of Living Waters and this must be scientifically dispersed around the universe in a way that satisfies science and satisfies the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ. Whenever there is a dense universal property, as in stars and atoms, we should look for its purest form...its un-dense form...and this is God's Living Waters...an invisible, massless property that is made known to us by an indisputable cycle of behaviour patterns that fires all atomic behaviour patterns and the living-cell, in all its many genetic behaviour patterns. I have done it for you but its perhaps best, from the examples of your abilities shown here, if you just try and follow Jesus Christ accurately, because, without his input, it appears that many of you will remain lost, even when that great catastrophe we are all forewarned about, strikes.
You are having a 'larf'! ::)
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NM It took me a little while to work out but I really now believe you are a time traveller. By my calculations about the circa 1813(or about there) and you stumbled across a time machine. You are here(by no fault of your own) to re-boot us back to the 19th century. This can be the only answer. . . . . . . . i dont think im wrong on this one.
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NM It took me a little while to work out but I really now believe you are a time traveller. By my calculations about the circa 1813(or about there) and you stumbled across a time machine. You are here(by no fault of your own) to re-boot us back to the 19th century. This can be the only answer. . . . . . . . i dont think im wrong on this one.
Maybe you are right! ;D ;D ;D
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NM It took me a little while to work out but I really now believe you are a time traveller. By my calculations about the circa 1813(or about there) and you stumbled across a time machine. You are here(by no fault of your own) to re-boot us back to the 19th century. This can be the only answer. . . . . . . . i dont think im wrong on this one.
You could be right...but time-travel isn't so very difficult. You see...if we take our lead from Almighty God we know that in the static dimension a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years are like a day. So there we have it...if we want to slip around time and space all we have to do is become stationary whilst the Milky Way hurtles away from us at the speed of the expanding universe...and, it seems, many observers have witnessed this principle in action.
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Not that you can see many of them now-a-days, but when you look into the heavens you see the super-abundance of the electric energy that I'm talking about..
Back to the - can't see the stars because of "pollution" - line Nick?
Really?
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You could be right...but time-travel isn't so very difficult. You see...if we take our lead from Almighty God we know that in the static dimension a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years are like a day. So there we have it...if we want to slip around time and space all we have to do is become stationary whilst the Milky Way hurtles away from us at the speed of the expanding universe...and, it seems, many observers have witnessed this principle in action.
It's never a good sign if you don't even realise Nick.
Regards ippy.
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Maybe NM is hoping to be a stand up comic and practicing his jokes on us. He better not give up the day job! ;D
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I find it impossible to believe that you can't understand how the atom came into existence in their many trillions and in the twinkling of an eye. It would take me longer to explain it than it would for a star to be born...but, here goes. A dense energy field is required first, containing as much dense energy as the star would contain when it is all transposed into atoms...That dense field is travelling at the speed of the expanding universe, and its swirling, crashing forces, internally scratch the static universe that lies beneath this activity. It would be like the coach-door suddenly swinging open on a high-speed train. Everybody standing too close to that area would be suddenly sucked out of the train...An imploding force has struck again, as many unfortunate people would testify, if they could. Similarly, energy surrounding that atomic friction point within a newly forming star would burst towards that tiny portal from every direction to escape their denseness and compression forces. The tiniest hint of such a portal is all that would be necessary to cause this reaction and when grasped into that portal, or, higgs field, the excess energy would be snatched away causing the hole to pulse and bring in a second tier of energy which would lock on to the first layer. Another pulse would reveal ley-lines of imploding forces, reduced in strength now but which still needed to be stabilised by the powerful imploding forces that now had a multitude of energetic particles attached to its higgs field. Dependant upon how deep within that starfield this action was taking place would determine the type of atom produced and we would finish up with a fully functional star in less time than it has taken me to describe it.
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Nice poetry, shame about the science.
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I find it impossible to believe that you can't understand how the atom came into existence in their many trillions and in the twinkling of an eye. It would take me longer to explain it than it would for a star to be born...but, here goes. A dense energy field is required first, containing as much dense energy as the star would contain when it is all transposed into atoms...That dense field is travelling at the speed of the expanding universe, and its swirling, crashing forces, internally scratch the static universe that lies beneath this activity. It would be like the coach-door suddenly swinging open on a high-speed train. Everybody standing too close to that area would be suddenly sucked out of the train...An imploding force has struck again, as many unfortunate people would testify, if they could. Similarly, energy surrounding that atomic friction point within a newly forming star would burst towards that tiny portal from every direction to escape their denseness and compression forces. The tiniest hint of such a portal is all that would be necessary to cause this reaction and when grasped into that portal, or, higgs field, the excess energy would be snatched away causing the hole to pulse and bring in a second tier of energy which would lock on to the first layer. Another pulse would reveal ley-lines of imploding forces, reduced in strength now but which still needed to be stabilised by the powerful imploding forces that now had a multitude of energetic particles attached to its higgs field. Dependant upon how deep within that starfield this action was taking place would determine the type of atom produced and we would finish up with a fully functional star in less time than it has taken me to describe it.
Nick
The bits in the above I've highlighted (in bold) seem to be contradictory, which isn't encouraging.
Update: I may have misread what you said Nick, since on re-reading you are saying the same thing essentially: that a star could form in less time that it took you to explain something via your post. So my apologies for getting that wrong.
Even so, since you suggest a star could have formed in less time than it took for you write your post I'm not sure you are correct - what do cosmologists say about the duration of star formation?
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I find it impossible to believe that you can't understand how the atom came into existence in their many trillions and in the twinkling of an eye. It would take me longer to explain it than it would for a star to be born...but, here goes. A dense energy field is required first, containing as much dense energy as the star would contain when it is all transposed into atoms...That dense field is travelling at the speed of the expanding universe, and its swirling, crashing forces, internally scratch the static universe that lies beneath this activity. It would be like the coach-door suddenly swinging open on a high-speed train. Everybody standing too close to that area would be suddenly sucked out of the train...An imploding force has struck again, as many unfortunate people would testify, if they could. Similarly, energy surrounding that atomic friction point within a newly forming star would burst towards that tiny portal from every direction to escape their denseness and compression forces. The tiniest hint of such a portal is all that would be necessary to cause this reaction and when grasped into that portal, or, higgs field, the excess energy would be snatched away causing the hole to pulse and bring in a second tier of energy which would lock on to the first layer. Another pulse would reveal ley-lines of imploding forces, reduced in strength now but which still needed to be stabilised by the powerful imploding forces that now had a multitude of energetic particles attached to its higgs field. Dependant upon how deep within that starfield this action was taking place would determine the type of atom produced and we would finish up with a fully functional star in less time than it has taken me to describe it.
Nick, common sense would tell us that the above is the product of an over active imagination, but not science.
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The bits in the above I've highlighted (in bold) seem to be contradictory, which isn't encouraging.
Update: I may have misread what you said Nick, since on re-reading you are saying the same thing essentially: that a star could form in less time that it took you to explain something via your post. So my apologies for getting that wrong.
Even so, since you suggest a star could have formed in less time than it took for you write your post I'm not sure you are correct - what do cosmologists say about the duration of star formation?
Remember that the field of energy that will become the star already exists and the speed of the expanding universe which fires up all scientific data has already been created. This whole body of star energy is locked upon a black-hole that brought this dense virgin star material into a tight gravitational body. All we need is the swirling, crashing forces, within that star's density, to penetrate down into the static dimension, and in the blink of any eye an atom is born...manifest this a trillion, trillion, times, and I reckon a fully functioning star could form in an instant and in that same instant, all knowledge within the universe gained its scientific roots which all centre upon Almighty God, just as Jesus Christ taught us...and the two part-atom components that gave birth to the living-cell, having derived from a similar birth pattern, is party to all of this.
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Remember that the field of energy that will become the star already exists and the speed of the expanding universe which fires up all scientific data has already been created. This whole body of star energy is locked upon a black-hole that brought this dense virgin star material into a tight gravitational body. All we need is the swirling, crashing forces, within that star's density, to penetrate down into the static dimension, and in the blink of any eye an atom is born...manifest this a trillion, trillion, times, and I reckon a fully functioning star could form in an instant and in that same instant, all knowledge within the universe gained its scientific roots which all centre upon Almighty God, just as Jesus Christ taught us...and the two part-atom components that gave birth to the living-cell, having derived from a similar birth pattern, is party to all of this.
Nick, common sense tells us that the above is a) fantasy and b) not science.
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Remember that the field of energy that will become the star already exists and the speed of the expanding universe which fires up all scientific data has already been created. This whole body of star energy is locked upon a black-hole that brought this dense virgin star material into a tight gravitational body. All we need is the swirling, crashing forces, within that star's density, to penetrate down into the static dimension, and in the blink of any eye an atom is born...manifest this a trillion, trillion, times, and I reckon a fully functioning star could form in an instant and in that same instant, all knowledge within the universe gained its scientific roots which all centre upon Almighty God, just as Jesus Christ taught us...and the two part-atom components that gave birth to the living-cell, having derived from a similar birth pattern, is party to all of this.
Nicely put.
Pity it has no connection to science, cosmology, theology or, for that matter, theology.
Is it poetry?
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Surrealist poetry, perhaps ;)
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My question would have been...look...the universe is filled with stars and the vast majority all came into existence all at once so how could that happen, within the scientific context of our observations??...and I would have told you...remember...stepping-stone logic...everything supports the scientific facts of what went on before, and what happens after the stepping-stone, scientific point under observation.
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My question would have been...look...the universe is filled with stars and the vast majority all came into existence all at once so how could that happen, within the scientific context of our observations??...and I would have told you...remember...stepping-stone logic...everything supports the scientific facts of what went on before, and what happens after the stepping-stone, scientific point under observation.
That's wrong though. Stellar birth and death in an ongoing process. In the beginning the universe was utterly dark and remained that way for several hundred million years before stars started to ignite. They didn't all ignite in one go, star formation is an ongoing process
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My question would have been...look...the universe is filled with stars and the vast majority all came into existence all at once so how could that happen, within the scientific context of our observations??...and I would have told you...remember...stepping-stone logic...everything supports the scientific facts of what went on before, and what happens after the stepping-stone, scientific point under observation.
My question would have been:
"What evidence do you have that 'all came into existance all at once' "?
If you believe this, you're a YEC.
Are you a YEC?
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My question would have been:
"What evidence do you have that 'all came into existance all at once' "?
If you believe this, you're a YEC.
Are you a YEC?
Yes and no....The Holy Bible is quite clear...In the beginning, God created the heavens and the Earth but the Earth proved to be void...which...because this statement is based upon absolute truth, means precisely that. No time period is specified for this beginning. This means that millions of years could have existed before the Earth became void...plenty of time for raw life to have evolved...just as the evidence suggests. What is clear from the Holy Bible is that, then, the Earth became void. A terrific force was needed to render the planet lifeless with all water converging upon the dark side, facing the great abyss...no wonder the side facing the sun is now a blistering, sand-swept, and desolate place. But Almighty God restored the planet...not by evolution but with refined scientific deliberation...especially in his special genetic refinement to improve on monkey life, in the form of Adam and Eve, themselves designed to be compatible with the Earth's environment, signified by the reaching into the dust of the Earth for his new creation.
If we follow the pattern of his seven day project whereby all the chemistry, all climate and all health restored the planet to a life supporting place it is small wonder that remnant life from the planets previous era jumped back into existence.
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Yes and no....The Holy Bible is quite clear...In the beginning, God created the heavens and the Earth but the Earth proved to be void...which...because this statement is based upon absolute truth, means precisely that. No time period is specified for this beginning. This means that millions of years could have existed before the Earth became void...plenty of time for raw life to have evolved...just as the evidence suggests. What is clear from the Holy Bible is that, then, the Earth became void. A terrific force was needed to render the planet lifeless with all water converging upon the dark side, facing the great abyss...no wonder the side facing the sun is now a blistering, sand-swept, and desolate place. But Almighty God restored the planet...not by evolution but with refined scientific deliberation...especially in his special genetic refinement to improve on monkey life, in the form of Adam and Eve, themselves designed to be compatible with the Earth's environment, signified by the reaching into the dust of the Earth for his new creation.
If we follow the pattern of his seven day project whereby all the chemistry, all climate and all health restored the planet to a life supporting place it is small wonder that remnant life from the planets previous era jumped back into existence.
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"Void" is not a term used in modern - accurate - translations.
Try "empty".
And there is no suggestion whatsoever in those words that earth 'became' anything. The Hebrew used in the Pentateuch and its' Greek equivalent in the Septuagint suggest that the "Empty" was the state envisaged at its' creation - whenever that was.
Even if you take the Genesis account literally - and, like most Christians, I do not, the sense of the statement is that the earth was created shapeless and empty.
It did not become empty.
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NM:
"Void" is not a term used in modern - accurate - translations.
Try "empty".
And there is no suggestion whatsoever in those words that earth 'became' anything. The Hebrew used in the Pentateuch and its' Greek equivalent in the Septuagint suggest that the "Empty" was the state envisaged at its' creation - whenever that was.
Even if you take the Genesis account literally - and, like most Christians, I do not, the sense of the statement is that the earth was created shapeless and empty.
It did not become empty.
In actual fact the planet Earth was spewed out of the newly forming sun when the sun was in its infancy and much larger than it is today...and the newly forming planet was indeed void, or rather, empty, just as you describe it. It is a tale told by the workings of the universe that when a star erupts into life it is dominated by the excessive production of hydrogen atoms which cause heavier atoms to be spewed out as slag every so often, and our sun is currently on an eleven year cycle for such events. But we know that a little more is involved in this creation of Almighty God's because he tells us in John that in the beginning was the 'word' and that 'word' by the very nature of how it is described to us is a science...a wonderful science...The Science of Everything, and the whole Holy Bible goes to great lengths to bring this knowledge to us righteously, and in a loving, caring manner, to save us from all tribulations, whilst those who know they have offended God, and who refuse to repent...have only Revelation 21:8 to look forward to.
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It is a tale told by the workings of the universe that when a star erupts into life it is dominated by the excessive production of hydrogen atoms which cause heavier atoms to be spewed out as slag every so often, and our sun is currently on an eleven year cycle for such events.
I'm intrigued. Tell me what happens exactly in those such events?
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In actual fact the planet Earth was spewed out of the newly forming sun when the sun was in its infancy and much larger than it is today...and the newly forming planet was indeed void, or rather, empty, just as you describe it. It is a tale told by the workings of the universe that when a star erupts into life it is dominated by the excessive production of hydrogen atoms which cause heavier atoms to be spewed out as slag every so often, and our sun is currently on an eleven year cycle for such events. But we know that a little more is involved in this creation of Almighty God's because he tells us in John that in the beginning was the 'word' and that 'word' by the very nature of how it is described to us is a science...a wonderful science...The Science of Everything, and the whole Holy Bible goes to great lengths to bring this knowledge to us righteously, and in a loving, caring manner, to save us from all tribulations, whilst those who know they have offended God, and who refuse to repent...have only Revelation 21:8 to look forward to.
I thought I was trying to point out - using Scripture - that 'void' was innacurate and incorrect, and "empty" was the correct rendition of both Hebrew and Greek, and that "empty" was the original state described in the Pentateuch as we have it.
Never mind the pseudoscience; do you accept Genesis' account of a 'shaprless, empty' earth right at the start....yes or no?
Nowhere does Scripture say earth became, or evolved into, 'empty'.
Again, do you accept this as an accurate interpretation of Genesis - whether you actually accept what Genesis say as fact or not, please?
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In actual fact the planet Earth was spewed out of the newly forming sun when the sun was in its infancy and much larger than it is today....
That is incorrect, and I'm pretty sure this has been pointed out before. The Earth was not 'spewed out' by the Sun, rather it formed from a slow process of accretion acting under gravity from the interstellar dust cloud in orbit around the Sun.
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It is a tale told by the workings of the universe that when a star erupts into life it is dominated by the excessive production of hydrogen atoms which cause heavier atoms to be spewed out as slag every so often, and our sun is currently on an eleven year cycle for such events.
Incorrect. Stars do not produce hydrogen, rather they burn hydrogen as fuel. Heavier atoms are produced continuously, not periodically, it is an ongoing process with some variability in its cycles.
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Yes and no....The Holy Bible is quite clear...In the beginning, God created the heavens and the Earth but the Earth proved to be void...which...because this statement is based upon absolute truth, means precisely that. No time period is specified for this beginning. This means that millions of years could have existed before the Earth became void...plenty of time for raw life to have evolved...just as the evidence suggests. What is clear from the Holy Bible is that, then, the Earth became void. A terrific force was needed to render the planet lifeless with all water converging upon the dark side, facing the great abyss...no wonder the side facing the sun is now a blistering, sand-swept, and desolate place. But Almighty God restored the planet...not by evolution but with refined scientific deliberation...especially in his special genetic refinement to improve on monkey life, in the form of Adam and Eve, themselves designed to be compatible with the Earth's environment, signified by the reaching into the dust of the Earth for his new creation.
Incorrect. Whilst there have been several mass extinction events,none have succeeded in wiping life on this planet out completely. There has never been a situation where all the water converged on one side of the planet. There is no 'side facing the Sun' other than at any particular moment in time. The planet rotates daily and is in a yearly orbit around the Sun, this averages out such that all 'sides' of the planet receive the same amount of sunlight although polar regions receive less than equatorial regions.
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That is the problem when you have no mental agility. You are unable to look round corners or see what is inferred by facts. The facts are that The Holy Bible exists...it tells us of a wonderful dynamic energy that is at the root of all science and how to implement that science to bring us into peace, harmony, good health, and into a strong mental agility and that we have until the next chaotic global disturbance to get it right and Jesus Christ cannot be ignored if we want salvation from all that chaos.
Because we can't see this dynamic energy doesn't mean it doesn't exist...it means we should listen to those who, by their resurrection, say it exists and proved to us it does.
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That is the problem when you have no mental agility. You are unable to look round corners or see what is inferred by facts. The facts are that The Holy Bible exists...it tells us of a wonderful dynamic energy that is at the root of all science and how to implement that science to bring us into peace, harmony, good health, and into a strong mental agility and that we have until the next chaotic global disturbance to get it right and Jesus Christ cannot be ignored if we want salvation from all that chaos.
Because we can't see this dynamic energy doesn't mean it doesn't exist...it means we should listen to those who, by their resurrection, say it exists and proved to us it does.
The problem is we don't have your overactive imagination, which tries to make your weird fantasies reality. ::)
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In many of your posts, NM, you talk of 'millions of Christians'. Whilst I do not accept argumentum ad populum, I'd say those 'millions of Christians' were on my side of the argument when it comes to your interpretation of John. THe word - as any REAL translation from the Greek has it, is not an 'it' - not a science, or a 'thing', dynamic or otherwise. He is God - as John states - right through His Gospel - enforcing it with his "Ego eimi" ("I am"( statements of Christ. Who arte these 'millions of Christians' who do not accespt Christ as God? If so they, and you, are not in accordance with the teaching of Scripture. I had a pleasant argument with JWs on this yesterday, after I told them to leave their NWT in their bags or preferrably, the bin. We spent forty five minutes comparing translations of John. I'm Happy to say I left one of them with serious doubts over what his cult told him.
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That is incorrect, and I'm pretty sure this has been pointed out before. The Earth was not 'spewed out' by the Sun, rather it formed from a slow process of accretion acting under gravity from the interstellar dust cloud in orbit around the Sun.
You introduce about three mythical beasts in your argument torri. Gravity is one of them. It isn't just a word it is a science...it has mechanics...I offer these mechanics in my understanding of the subject, you just accept it exists without any definition because science doesn't have a coherent definition. Accretion can only exist if atoms already exist...Your mythical beast just describes it as interstellar dust, mine gives you a ready and willing furnace to do the atom producing work, en masse, for you. Also, no one said that the planet Earth erupted perfectly formed as it is today...it obviously went through secondary stages and accretion played its part...and via these stages, trillions of part-atoms...'would be' hydrogen atoms, not fully formed, were snatched from our sun as the Earth ploughed through the sun's outer layer. That is how we know it all happened so very fast and how the living-cell later developed.
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In many of your posts, NM, you talk of 'millions of Christians'. Whilst I do not accept argumentum ad populum, I'd say those 'millions of Christians' were on my side of the argument when it comes to your interpretation of John. THe word - as any REAL translation from the Greek has it, is not an 'it' - not a science, or a 'thing', dynamic or otherwise. He is God - as John states - right through His Gospel - enforcing it with his "Ego eimi" ("I am"( statements of Christ. Who arte these 'millions of Christians' who do not accespt Christ as God? If so they, and you, are not in accordance with the teaching of Scripture. I had a pleasant argument with JWs on this yesterday, after I told them to leave their NWT in their bags or preferrably, the bin. We spent forty five minutes comparing translations of John. I'm Happy to say I left one of them with serious doubts over what his cult told him.
Let's just remind you what John said...
In the beginning was the 'word'...and the word was with God...and the word was God, and the word of God was the light of the world.
So...to start the ball rolling, Almighty God broke the hidden code of nature. His interpretation was so accurate that he himself was transformed into the living voice of all the hidden energy revealed by his word. This means that you and I can be spiritual beings like God if we follow his science. Jesus Christ manifested this science to us...God's 'word' made flesh...all we have to do is attach ourselves to their science and be saved from all calamity...by resurrection if and when it becomes necessary.
It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks...the science is indestructible...hence an indestructible God.
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Let's just remind you what John said...
In the beginning was the 'word'...and the word was with God...and the word was God, and the word of God was the light of the world.
So...to start the ball rolling, Almighty God broke the hidden code of nature. His interpretation was so accurate that he himself was transformed into the living voice of all the hidden energy revealed by his word. This means that you and I can be spiritual beings like God if we follow his science. Jesus Christ manifested this science to us...God's 'word' made flesh...all we have to do is attach ourselves to their science and be saved from all calamity...by resurrection if and when it becomes necessary.
It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks...the science is indestructible...hence an indestructible God.
You can't argue with that Anchormam. You can't. To argue with it it has to have some cogent structured position. So you just can't.
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Let's just remind you what John said...
In the beginning was the 'word'...and the word was with God...and the word was God, and the word of God was the light of the world.
So...to start the ball rolling, Almighty God broke the hidden code of nature. His interpretation was so accurate that he himself was transformed into the living voice of all the hidden energy revealed by his word. This means that you and I can be spiritual beings like God if we follow his science. Jesus Christ manifested this science to us...God's 'word' made flesh...all we have to do is attach ourselves to their science and be saved from all calamity...by resurrection if and when it becomes necessary.
It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks...the science is indestructible...hence an indestructible God.
That interpretation of John is....unique.
Not Christian, but unique.
The Christian interpretation - the interpretation those 'millions of Christians' you bang on about - share, is this:
Before Everything God was.
Complete, Oner, whole.
Christ was there - part of that wholeness - God. God became Incarnate in Christ - look at the rest of the chapter - the 'Logos' (Word), for us to light the Way - Himself - to Him.
Paul expands on this in his famous "Christ is the visible image of the invisible God" passage in Colossians. John makes it clear that this Word - Christ - was the whole nature of God made man - the "I AM (YHWH), Greek "Ego Eimi", who scandalised his hearers by using that Name reserved to God alone - in other words, He claimed, not to speak for God, not to represent God - but to BE God. If Christ IS God - and those millions of Christians such as myself claim Him as such, the He is not dynamic energy, science, or whatever pseudoscientific nonsense you care to dream up.
hrist, the Logos of God, was, is, and forever will be HImself God.
No science can explain it.
No scientist, Christian or otherwise, needs to try.
For the Christian, it just is.
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You introduce about three mythical beasts in your argument torri. Gravity is one of them. It isn't just a word it is a science...it has mechanics...I offer these mechanics in my understanding of the subject, you just accept it exists without any definition because science doesn't have a coherent definition. Accretion can only exist if atoms already exist...Your mythical beast just describes it as interstellar dust, mine gives you a ready and willing furnace to do the atom producing work, en masse, for you. Also, no one said that the planet Earth erupted perfectly formed as it is today...it obviously went through secondary stages and accretion played its part...and via these stages, trillions of part-atoms...'would be' hydrogen atoms, not fully formed, were snatched from our sun as the Earth ploughed through the sun's outer layer. That is how we know it all happened so very fast and how the living-cell later developed.
Just about as wrong as your first attempt. Gravity is not a mythical beast, it is the curvature of spacetime. The Earth did not form by ploughing through the outer layers of the Sun. It is a slow process of accretion over millions of years. It was not fast, at least by human timescales. The Sun does not produce hydrogen atoms, it burns them. Details and facts, not your strong point, clearly.
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That is the problem when you have no mental agility. You are unable to look round corners or see what is inferred by facts. The facts are that The Holy Bible exists...it tells us of a wonderful dynamic energy that is at the root of all science and how to implement that science to bring us into peace, harmony, good health, and into a strong mental agility and that we have until the next chaotic global disturbance to get it right and Jesus Christ cannot be ignored if we want salvation from all that chaos.
Because we can't see this dynamic energy doesn't mean it doesn't exist...it means we should listen to those who, by their resurrection, say it exists and proved to us it does.
None of which justifies you making up incorrect stuff up about Earth history or astrophysics. 8th commandment, and all that.
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Let's just remind you what John said...
In the beginning was the 'word'...and the word was with God...and the word was God, and the word of God was the light of the world.
So...to start the ball rolling, Almighty God broke the hidden code of nature. His interpretation was so accurate that he himself was transformed into the living voice of all the hidden energy revealed by his word. This means that you and I can be spiritual beings like God if we follow his science. Jesus Christ manifested this science to us...God's 'word' made flesh...all we have to do is attach ourselves to their science and be saved from all calamity...by resurrection if and when it becomes necessary.
It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks...the science is indestructible...hence an indestructible God.
Have you ever wondered about the difference between a critical mass and a church service Nick?
Regards ippy
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Have you ever wondered about the difference between a critical mass and a church service Nick?
Regards ippy
Nice one!
However, I gather NM doesn't go in for church....which isn't very obedient to those Scriptures he says we have to follow.
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Nice one!
However, I gather NM doesn't go in for church....which isn't very obedient to those Scriptures he says we have to follow.
There is no church which espouses NM's unique take on matters of religion.
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Just about as wrong as your first attempt. Gravity is not a mythical beast, it is the curvature of spacetime. The Earth did not form by ploughing through the outer layers of the Sun. It is a slow process of accretion over millions of years. It was not fast, at least by human timescales. The Sun does not produce hydrogen atoms, it burns them. Details and facts, not your strong point, clearly.
We must beg to differ then. You are bringing in another mythical beast to explain gravity. How can you bend space-time unless you have two different times to bend...and how can your bent space-time have such an amazing imploding force attached to it...which regulates itself according to mass. And why can't you acknowledge that if the Milky Way is moving at the speed of the expanding universe that you are too as well as everything else on planet Earth and that this isn't a sterile force but the primary force behind all science...especially when we throw in a superabundant dynamic energy into the mix. Perhaps it's because you don't like Almighty God being the total and absolute authority over science...or perhaps you don't want the restoration it offers.
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Nice one!
However, I gather NM doesn't go in for church....which isn't very obedient to those Scriptures he says we have to follow.
The church that says we must not follow the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ, or that Jesus Christ is not the Son of God...or that Jesus Christ is not risen from the dead...is null and void.
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We must beg to differ then. You are bringing in another mythical beast to explain gravity. How can you bend space-time unless you have two different times to bend...and how can your bent space-time have such an amazing imploding force attached to it...which regulates itself according to mass. And why can't you acknowledge that if the Milky Way is moving at the speed of the expanding universe that you are too as well as everything else on planet Earth and that this isn't a sterile force but the primary force behind all science...especially when we throw in a superabundant dynamic energy into the mix. Perhaps it's because you don't like Almighty God being the total and absolute authority over science...or perhaps you don't want the restoration it offers.
...or perhaps we can see that common sense tells us that whilst your pronouncements are the product of an over fertile imagination, they have nothing whatsoever to do with either science or reality.
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That interpretation of John is....unique.
Not Christian, but unique.
The Christian interpretation - the interpretation those 'millions of Christians' you bang on about - share, is this:
Before Everything God was.
Complete, Oner, whole.
Christ was there - part of that wholeness - God. God became Incarnate in Christ - look at the rest of the chapter - the 'Logos' (Word), for us to light the Way - Himself - to Him.
Paul expands on this in his famous "Christ is the visible image of the invisible God" passage in Colossians. John makes it clear that this Word - Christ - was the whole nature of God made man - the "I AM (YHWH), Greek "Ego Eimi", who scandalised his hearers by using that Name reserved to God alone - in other words, He claimed, not to speak for God, not to represent God - but to BE God. If Christ IS God - and those millions of Christians such as myself claim Him as such, the He is not dynamic energy, science, or whatever pseudoscientific nonsense you care to dream up.
hrist, the Logos of God, was, is, and forever will be HImself God.
No science can explain it.
No scientist, Christian or otherwise, needs to try.
For the Christian, it just is.
What you must remember is that Almighty God is very real indeed and so is Jesus Christ. Their teaching must embody all science and have an interpretation that can be justified within their teaching. Righteousness is the key word...doing the right things for the right reasons and upbuilding a righteous spirit within our own bodies is the only way to follow Jesus Christ's righteous teaching accurately. I'm sorry if your thinking doesn't comply with this but resurrection can't be accessed without it and Jesus spent his whole life and suffering to prove to us this point.
Think-on...This means that all those who have been so viley treated will be able to face and condemn their abusers at the time of God's reckoning...and there are some nasty people about.
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Strangely enough NM doesn't really seem to mind that no one takes his world of pure fantasy seriously. If that is the case he is possibly a WUM getting his kicks by the attention his crazy posts are getting.
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We must beg to differ then. You are bringing in another mythical beast to explain gravity. How can you bend space-time unless you have two different times to bend...and how can your bent space-time have such an amazing imploding force attached to it...which regulates itself according to mass. And why can't you acknowledge that if the Milky Way is moving at the speed of the expanding universe that you are too as well as everything else on planet Earth and that this isn't a sterile force but the primary force behind all science...especially when we throw in a superabundant dynamic energy into the mix. Perhaps it's because you don't like Almighty God being the total and absolute authority over science...or perhaps you don't want the restoration it offers.
I bring no mythical beasts, merely basic truths derived from science to offset your agenda-ridden baseless nonsense where you are clearly wrong. Have you not read the 11th commandment "Thou shalt not use the Internet to spread disinformation" ?
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...or perhaps we can see that common sense tells us that whilst your pronouncements are the product of an over fertile imagination, they have nothing whatsoever to do with either science or reality.
We must beg to differ here as well.
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We must beg to differ here as well.
What you must remember is that Almighty God is very real indeed and so is Jesus Christ.
OK provide the evidence to support that statement. The Bible is not evidence, as much of those collection of documents have nothing to substantiate the things they claim, especially the stuff, which defies any REAL science, not your inaccurate use of that term.
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Nice one!
However, I gather NM doesn't go in for church....which isn't very obedient to those Scriptures he says we have to follow.
Yes Anchor, I was thinking it applies to how dense some things are, can be.
Regards ippy
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Strangely enough NM doesn't really seem to mind that no one takes his world of pure fantasy seriously. If that is the case he is possibly a WUM getting his kicks by the attention his crazy posts are getting.
I reckon he's A B's alter ego myself Floo.
Regards ippy
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I bring no mythical beasts, merely basic truths derived from science to offset your agenda-ridden baseless nonsense where you are clearly wrong. Have you not read the 11th commandment "Thou shalt not use the Internet to spread disinformation" ?
Yes...I have read that commandment and fully endorse it. I know what I'm saying isn't popular...but neither is the Holy Bible...in fact Jesus was crucified telling us all that he had the keys over all universal laws including resurrection. Well I believe him and offer a science whereby it all becomes understandable...reasonable and scientific...and considering what is at stake...and very soon...it must be time for everyone to repent, else suffer the consequences. There is no way you can besmirch the evidence that there is a superabundant, dynamic energy behind all science because it is all around you all the time...in every star and in every atom, in all life and in all evil...and the only wholesome scientific laws appertaining to it that will benefit us all are God's righteous laws as taught by Jesus Christ and these will shortly come into full force. It's small wonder then that God wants us all to know what is at stake if we ignore him or his son.
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....and very soon...
How many years have you been using this terminology Nick?
15 at least I reckon
So common sense tells us that another 15 years is not outwith your parameters.
Is it?
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We must beg to differ here as well.
You can't differ with common sense Nick.
And your pronouncements are at the opposite end of the spectrum to common sense.
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What you must remember is that Almighty God is very real indeed and so is Jesus Christ.
OK provide the evidence to support that statement. The Bible is not evidence, as much of those collection of documents have nothing to substantiate the things they claim, especially the stuff, which defies any REAL science, not your inaccurate use of that term.
The many people who have found great comfort in Jesus Christ's word, is a scientific principle that has repeated itself over and over and over again...over many generations...and is the subject matter of all iniquity...of all righteousness...and, now, all science.
Don't forget that this planet is just a dot in a massive universe that is full of science...full of many other populations and full of an all knowing God.
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The many people who have found great comfort in Jesus Christ's word, is a scientific principle that has repeated itself over and over and over again...over many generations...and is the subject matter of all iniquity...of all righteousness...and, now, all science.
Don't forget that this planet is just a dot in a massive universe that is full of science...full of many other populations and full of an all knowing God.
Do you think that your all knowing God might have a quiet word with you about , say, not seeing stars because if "pollution"?
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You can't differ with common sense Nick.
And your pronouncements are at the opposite end of the spectrum to common sense.
Your another who doesn't realise that this universe isn't just designed for the use of the spiteful, the greedy and the selfish...and there are indeed other universal forces who are committed to restoring this planet to Almighty God's righteous demands...and, it seems, at the same time of a great global catastrophe...which will seal the deal.
Your salvation is what is at stake.
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Do you think that your all knowing God might have a quiet word with you about , say, not seeing stars because if "pollution"?
Sneering and scoffing has long been a trick to ridicule those with unpalatable but necessary contributions for humanity. All it means is that when the truth dawns on you it will be new to you whilst those looking at the evidence will already have a plan of action. Mine will be to put all my trust and faith in Jesus Christ because he notified us of these great tribulations that will come upon us all and told us how to deal with it all.
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The many people who have found great comfort in Jesus Christ's word, is a scientific principle that has repeated itself over and over and over again...over many generations...and is the subject matter of all iniquity...of all righteousness...and, now, all science.
Don't forget that this planet is just a dot in a massive universe that is full of science...full of many other populations and full of an all knowing God.
What Jesus is quoted as saying has NOTHING to do with real science, only your imaginary version of it.
It is likely there are other intelligent beings in this vast universe of ours, but it isn't a fact, anymore than the existence of a god is a fact. WHERE IS YOUR VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE?
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Yes...I have read that commandment and fully endorse it. I know what I'm saying isn't popular...but neither is the Holy Bible...in fact Jesus was crucified telling us all that he had the keys over all universal laws including resurrection. Well I believe him and offer a science whereby it all becomes understandable...reasonable and scientific...and considering what is at stake...and very soon...it must be time for everyone to repent, else suffer the consequences. There is no way you can besmirch the evidence that there is a superabundant, dynamic energy behind all science because it is all around you all the time...in every star and in every atom, in all life and in all evil...and the only wholesome scientific laws appertaining to it that will benefit us all are God's righteous laws as taught by Jesus Christ and these will shortly come into full force. It's small wonder then that God wants us all to know what is at stake if we ignore him or his son.
If you believed any of that then you'd be the first to repent, and you can start by apologising for all your attempts to mislead with false claims. If we see no apology from you that will only confirm what is pretty apparent, that you are a fraud, through and through, with no intention at all of coming here for actual dialogue.
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The church that says we must not follow the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ, or that Jesus Christ is not the Son of God...or that Jesus Christ is not risen from the dead...is null and void.
Wheras the church which proclaims the Risen Lord Jesus, God incarnate, second person of the Trinity, is the Body of Christ - and if you are not part of that Body, you are not being Christ in the world. I'll make it easy for you. Here's some evidence - yes, I know you are unfamiliar with the word, being singularly unable to post it yourself - EVIDENCE from Scripture showing who Jesus is for Christians. Yes, I know it's from the KJV - not my favourate translation - but you use a lot of words from it therefore I presume you are comfortable with it. Do you accept these Scriptures which show just who Christ is, yes or no? http://bugman123.com/Bible/JesusIsGod.html
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Sneering and scoffing.....
Nope, just pointing out a fact.
However unpalatable it is to you.
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In actual fact the planet Earth was spewed out of the newly forming sun when the sun was in its infancy and much larger than it is today
Nope.
The Sun and the Earth were both created from the same disc of gas and other debris. The Earth was never spewed out of the Sun.
and the newly forming planet was indeed void, or rather, empty
Actually, it started out as a molten blob.
when a star erupts into life it is dominated by the excessive production of hydrogen atoms which cause heavier atoms to be spewed out as slag every so often
Nope.
Stars consume hydrogen and produce helium and other heavier elements.
and the whole Holy Bible goes to great lengths to bring this knowledge to us righteously, and in a loving, caring manner, to save us from all tribulations, whilst those who know they have offended God, and who refuse to repent...have only Revelation 21:8 to look forward to.
Show me the bit in the Bible that discusses the process of creation of heavy elements through fusion in stars.
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Nope.
The Sun and the Earth were both created from the same disc of gas and other debris. The Earth was never spewed out of the Sun.
Actually, it started out as a molten blob.
Nope.
Stars consume hydrogen and produce helium and other heavier elements.
Show me the bit in the Bible that discusses the process of creation of heavy elements through fusion in stars.
Quoting what science has determined isn't the whole truth because science doesn't have the whole picture. The whole picture will only be determined when we use God's 'dynamic energy' as the sole creative force in the universe and by his great skill Almighty God created all things and all scientific laws from his refinement of nature's wild laws. It earnt him the esteem of the entire righteous population who were saved by that wonderful knowledge and now it is our turn...and that is gleaned from the Holy Bible...Isaiah sums it up when he says...Look into the heavens, who created these things...with the abundance of his mighty power/dynamic energy...each one is catalogued by name and number and not one is missing.
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Quoting what science has determined isn't the whole truth because science doesn't have the whole picture. The whole picture will only be determined when we use God's 'dynamic energy' as the sole creative force in the universe and by his great skill Almighty God created all things and all scientific laws from his refinement of nature's wild laws. It earnt him the esteem of the entire righteous population who were saved by that wonderful knowledge and now it is our turn...and that is gleaned from the Holy Bible...Isaiah sums it up when he says...Look into the heavens, who created these things...with the abundance of his mighty power/dynamic energy...each one is catalogued by name and number and not one is missing.
But when you use "God's dynamic energy" you end up making statements that are factually false, like stars creating hydrogen or the Sun spewing out the Earth. It seems that your ideas just make you believe stuff that's wrong.
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Quoting what science has determined isn't the whole truth because science doesn't have the whole picture. The whole picture will only be determined when we use God's 'dynamic energy' as the sole creative force in the universe and by his great skill Almighty God created all things and all scientific laws from his refinement of nature's wild laws. It earnt him the esteem of the entire righteous population who were saved by that wonderful knowledge and now it is our turn...and that is gleaned from the Holy Bible...Isaiah sums it up when he says...Look into the heavens, who created these things...with the abundance of his mighty power/dynamic energy...each one is catalogued by name and number and not one is missing.
Wibble.
Your theobabble is no substitute for honest and meticulous attention to facts.
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Wheras the church which proclaims the Risen Lord Jesus, God incarnate, second person of the Trinity, is the Body of Christ - and if you are not part of that Body, you are not being Christ in the world. I'll make it easy for you. Here's some evidence - yes, I know you are unfamiliar with the word, being singularly unable to post it yourself - EVIDENCE from Scripture showing who Jesus is for Christians. Yes, I know it's from the KJV - not my favourate translation - but you use a lot of words from it therefore I presume you are comfortable with it. Do you accept these Scriptures which show just who Christ is, yes or no? http://bugman123.com/Bible/JesusIsGod.html
I believe in the accurate teaching that Jesus Christ, himself, taught us. That teaching isn't complicated...it is a question of allowing his truth to invigorate our innocent and righteous thought patterns because this is where our individual health problems are rooted. Jesus, the Holy Bible, and all its adherents should know and recognise that Jesus is the likeness of God whom Almighty God offered equal status to but which Jesus rejected choosing to sit at God's right hand but with immense authority over the entire universe...and this teaches us a lot about what is only hinted at in the Holy Bible...including the science of Everything...the foundation stones behind the science of righteousness...God's 'word'...made flesh by Jesus.
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I believe in the accurate teaching that Jesus Christ, himself, taught us. That teaching isn't complicated...it is a question of allowing his truth to invigorate our innocent and righteous thought patterns because this is where our individual health problems are rooted. Jesus, the Holy Bible, and all its adherents should know and recognise that Jesus is the likeness of God whom Almighty God offered equal status to but which Jesus rejected choosing to sit at God's right hand but with immense authority over the entire universe...and this teaches us a lot about what is only hinted at in the Holy Bible...including the science of Everything...the foundation stones behind the science of righteousness...God's 'word'...made flesh by Jesus.
Great.
So you accurately believe that Jesus ACCURATELY taught us that He is God - as per virtually all John's Gospel?
You see, I can put "accurately" in there as well.
Any ACCURATE reading of the ACCURATE words in an ACCURATELY translated copy of John's Gospel will show you that Jesus ACCURATELY taught that He believed Himself to be God.
Do you accept this?
Or do you deny Jesus ACCURATE teaching?
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Your theobabble is no substitute for honest and meticulous attention to facts.
And that is exactly how we should study the Holy Bible if we want the truth so desperately needed in these times of great tribulations which will only get worse before it suddenly gets better and the only cost will be, us, trying to be honest, caring, loving, helpful, neighbourly, upright, considerate, well meaning, lawful, and righteous, according to the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ. Our survival depends upon it.
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Great.
So you accurately believe that Jesus ACCURATELY taught us that He is God - as per virtually all John's Gospel?
You see, I can put "accurately" in there as well.
Any ACCURATE reading of the ACCURATE words in an ACCURATELY translated copy of John's Gospel will show you that Jesus ACCURATELY taught that He believed Himself to be God.
Do you accept this?
Or do you deny Jesus ACCURATE teaching?
The use of my accurate is to show the difference between Jesus's teaching and Constantine's...The difference between righteousness and all false religions. It is the difference between us harvesting God's dynamic energy for our health and welfare or allowing evil to bleed us of a property vital to our health and well-being.
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The use of my accurate is to show the difference between Jesus's teaching and Constantine's...The difference between righteousness and all false religions. It is the difference between us harvesting God's dynamic energy for our health and welfare or allowing evil to bleed us of a property vital to our health and well-being.
At least you didn't include scientific 'accuracy' in your list.
That's very honest of you Nick.
Now will you use common sense and desist with the psuedo scientific ramblings?
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At least you didn't include scientific 'accuracy' in your list.
That's very honest of you Nick.
Now will you use common sense and desist with the psuedo scientific ramblings?
If you think we can improve our health and welfare without science then be my guest...science is implied in everything I say because righteous science is implied in everything I say...and we...the product of all that science need to get to know the owner of all that science asap because our future tenancy on this planet depends upon it. Remember Satan and all his cronies were dumped out of Heaven on us and now the time is ripe to do it again, only this time there will be no repentance, it will be for good...It's all in the Holy Bible.
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The use of my accurate is to show the difference between Jesus's teaching and Constantine's...The difference between righteousness and all false religions. It is the difference between us harvesting God's dynamic energy for our health and welfare or allowing evil to bleed us of a property vital to our health and well-being.
What the heck has Constantiner got to do with it?
The first identification of Christ as God came in the Synoptic Gospels - the earliest of which dates to before AD 90 - and, yes, I have evidence - remember the word, NM - to substantiate it.
Then we have early Christian writings from the mid second century confirming the Gospel record.
If you want it written in stone, hey, I'm your man.
There's an inscription - a graffito, really - on the walls of a temple of Khonsu at Karnak, Egypt, dating to about 160 AD. It's a a crude depiction of a pharaoh - two centuries after the last one was killed. The figure isn't a king, though; the rather poorly carved legend reads "Jesus, who is God".
So even then, believers in the mid second century were pretty sure they knew who Christ is....long before Constantine stuck his face in anything.
If the writers of the Gspels, the second century Christian fathers, and ordinary Christian graffiti writers were sure, why aren't you?
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What the heck has Constantiner got to do with it?
The first identification of Christ as God came in the Synoptic Gospels - the earliest of which dates to before AD 90 - and, yes, I have evidence - remember the word, NM - to substantiate it.
Then we have early Christian writings from the mid second century confirming the Gospel record.
If you want it written in stone, hey, I'm your man.
There's an inscription - a graffito, really - on the walls of a temple of Khonsu at Karnak, Egypt, dating to about 160 AD. It's a a crude depiction of a pharaoh - two centuries after the last one was killed. The figure isn't a king, though; the rather poorly carved legend reads "Jesus, who is God".
So even then, believers in the mid second century were pretty sure they knew who Christ is....long before Constantine stuck his face in anything.
If the writers of the Gspels, the second century Christian fathers, and ordinary Christian graffiti writers were sure, why aren't you?
Because amidst all that commotion that you quote there is still the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...as accurate today as it was then...and by following his truth we are following a science...and that science is proven by the fact that those who wind-up the masses, and there are many, are working in flat contradiction to that science and the state of the world's health which I would scientifically state as being abysmal, is the direct result. Shortly though, that great event, described in the Holy Bible as the end of this wicked system will be upon us...and I hope and pray that all those who can be saved will be saved and reading Jesus's accurate word, accurately, is the key.
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Because amidst all that commotion that you quote there is still the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...as accurate today as it was then...and by following his truth we are following a science...and that science is proven by the fact that those who wind-up the masses, and there are many, are working in flat contradiction to that science and the state of the world's health which I would scientifically state as being abysmal, is the direct result. Shortly though, that great event, described in the Holy Bible as the end of this wicked system will be upon us...and I hope and pray that all those who can be saved will be saved and reading Jesus's accurate word, accurately, is the key.
How do you know the teaching of Jesus was accurate?
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Because amidst all that commotion that you quote there is still the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...as accurate today as it was then...and by following his truth we are following a science...and that science is proven by the fact that those who wind-up the masses, and there are many, are working in flat contradiction to that science and the state of the world's health which I would scientifically state as being abysmal, is the direct result. Shortly though, that great event, described in the Holy Bible as the end of this wicked system will be upon us...and I hope and pray that all those who can be saved will be saved and reading Jesus's accurate word, accurately, is the key.
That would be the "accurate teaching" that Christ is God - according to the accurate reading of Scripture, then?
That would be the "accurate teaching" that the Holy Spirit is refeered to, not as 'dynamic energy', but as a Person - in any accurate reading of Scripture, then?
And that would be the Scripture which was in existance before Constantine, then?
So you accept the Triune nature of God, as per that accurate Scripture, the early writings, and the aforementioned graffito?
It's not a hard question.
A "Yes" or "No" will do.
Try answering without waffle, please.
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That would be the "accurate teaching" that Christ is God - according to the accurate reading of Scripture, then?
That would be the "accurate teaching" that the Holy Spirit is refeered to, not as 'dynamic energy', but as a Person - in any accurate reading of Scripture, then?
And that would be the Scripture which was in existance before Constantine, then?
So you accept the Triune nature of God, as per that accurate Scripture, the early writings, and the aforementioned graffito?
It's not a hard question.
A "Yes" or "No" will do.
Try answering without waffle, please.
My response is designed via employing a wonderful righteous science. If I'm correct then it is the Holy Spirit, within me, that is guiding my thought patterns...and here they are, in a nut-shell...That the healthy, replicating, living-cell, generates a vital energy, which we waste as we pass through our youthful years and this leaves us all desolate in our later years. By harnessing God's 'dynamic energy/mighty power' via the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ we can harness that superabundant energy, that made stars and atoms into our own lives...but we need obedience and faith in the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ to do it.
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If I'm correct .......
Common sense tells us that you are not!
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......science is implied in everything I say ......
Common sense tells us that it is your over used imagination that tells you and only you, that.
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Common sense tells us that it is your over used imagination that tells you and only you, that.
Using common sense is something I'm often criticised for using in my science...common sense extracted from the Holy Bible...even though Almighty God and Jesus use it a lot to speak to an unscientific people.
Here is how that unspoken science weaves and wefts its wonderful way through our machinations...it brought together a people who had been scattered amongst all the nations bringing them into the lands of their birthright before God's Judgement is pronounced upon us all. They wont gain any favour from it though those reborn will be able to offset their pain and suffering over those generations and lay it fairly and squarely upon the shoulders of those who planned their destruction...those who will be spiritually snatched into God's prison of exile, 'the fiery lake of sulphur', unless they respond forthwith and repent...It's up to them, just as it is up to us all...each and everyone of us..
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Using common sense is something I'm often criticised for using in my science...
I don't see how.
Why?
Because common sense tells us that your "science" isn't really science!
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I don't see how.
Why?
Because common sense tells us that your "science" isn't really science!
No...because common sense should tell us that Jesus Christ is talking a language that appeals to those who value the things he stands for and want to discover more. That is why the word of Almighty God flourishes amongst the honest and the caring, the Holy and the righteous...but, apparently, not to those who are lost or who don't care much for the rest of us.
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No...because common sense should tell us that Jesus Christ is talking a language that appeals to those who value the things he stands for and want to discover more. That is why the word of Almighty God flourishes amongst the honest and the caring, the Holy and the righteous...but, apparently, not to those who are lost or who don't care much for the rest of us.
More nonsense! ::)
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No...because common sense should tell us that Jesus Christ is talking a language that appeals to those who value the things he stands for and want to discover more. That is why the word of Almighty God flourishes amongst the honest and the caring, the Holy and the righteous...but, apparently, not to those who are lost or who don't care much for the rest of us.
...still not science though!
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Because amidst all that commotion that you quote there is still the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...as accurate today as it was then...and by following his truth we are following a science...and that science is proven by the fact that those who wind-up the masses, and there are many, are working in flat contradiction to that science and the state of the world's health which I would scientifically state as being abysmal, is the direct result. Shortly though, that great event, described in the Holy Bible as the end of this wicked system will be upon us...and I hope and pray that all those who can be saved will be saved and reading Jesus's accurate word, accurately, is the key.
Amen!
The accurate teaching of Jesus Christ that you refuse to acknowledge - that He believed Himself to be God Incarnate.
That's the same 'accurate teaching' I, and those 'millions of Christians' you bang on about accept, but with whom you don't agree, then.
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Amen!
The accurate teaching of Jesus Christ that you refuse to acknowledge - that He believed Himself to be God Incarnate.
That's the same 'accurate teaching' I, and those 'millions of Christians' you bang on about accept, but with whom you don't agree, then.
I believe, totally and absolutely, in the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...as he taught us and as he lived it. As sincere as many Christians are it doesn't alter the fact that Jesus said...narrow is the gate and few there are finding it...and, get behind me you doers of iniquity, I do not know you. Or even...I am the way, the truth, and the life, and those who follow me will never die. You can't have a God who designed everything yet didn't know a thing about science. I have done the calculations of God's and Jesus's science of righteousness for you and those calculations say we must follow Jesus accurately and anyone reading the New Testament without intellectual bias knows that Jesus Christ is the son of God.
This is how we know that after God's Judgement we will all live in peace, health, and harmony, because we will all be living the same science...and those that don't agree will have no further say in the matter.
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I believe, totally and absolutely, in the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...as he taught us and as he lived it. As sincere as many Christians are it doesn't alter the fact that Jesus said...narrow is the gate and few there are finding it...and, get behind me you doers of iniquity, I do not know you. Or even...I am the way, the truth, and the life, and those who follow me will never die. You can't have a God who designed everything yet didn't know a thing about science. I have done the calculations of God's and Jesus's science of righteousness for you and those calculations say we must follow Jesus accurately and anyone reading the New Testament without intellectual bias knows that Jesus Christ is the son of God.
This is how we know that after God's Judgement we will all live in peace, health, and harmony, because we will all be living the same science...and those that don't agree will have no further say in the matter.
Just because a person believes totally and absolutely that something is true, doesn't mean it is, unless they have verifiable evidence to substantiate it, which of course you don't. I am sure the members of ISIS believe totally and absolutely in their evil mantra.
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Just because a person believes totally and absolutely that something is true, doesn't mean it is, unless they have verifiable evidence to substantiate it, which of course you don't. I am sure the members of ISIS believe totally and absolutely in their evil mantra.
There is a subtle difference...being that Jesus teaches us about peace, happiness, harmony, health, goodwill, loving kindness in all our dealings with our neighbours...that way we avoid false teachings and false reasoning...even the stuff poured out with hateful intensity to rule the masses to their destruction.
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I believe, totally and absolutely, in the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...as he taught us and as he lived it. As sincere as many Christians are it doesn't alter the fact that Jesus said...narrow is the gate and few there are finding it...and, get behind me you doers of iniquity, I do not know you. Or even...I am the way, the truth, and the life, and those who follow me will never die. You can't have a God who designed everything yet didn't know a thing about science. I have done the calculations of God's and Jesus's science of righteousness for you and those calculations say we must follow Jesus accurately and anyone reading the New Testament without intellectual bias knows that Jesus Christ is the son of God.
This is how we know that after God's Judgement we will all live in peace, health, and harmony, because we will all be living the same science...and those that don't agree will have no further say in the matter.
Glad you mentioned the fact that Jesus said
"I am the Way, the Truth and the Life, NM....
The "I am" is "Egoeimi" - Greek. The exact same formula as the Greek translation of the famous Tetragrammaton YHWH.
In other words, that verse should show you that Jesus is claiming to be "YHWH, the Way, the truth....".
A proof, then, if you need it, that Christ is claiming identity as God.
By the way, that "...the Truth"....
The God who is Truth does not mention science in Scriptures.
That bit is pseudoscientific wibble, as is your understanding of the means of grace by which we are saved.
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Glad you mentioned the fact that Jesus said
"I am the Way, the Truth and the Life, NM....
The "I am" is "Egoeimi" - Greek. The exact same formula as the Greek translation of the famous Tetragrammaton YHWH.
In other words, that verse should show you that Jesus is claiming to be "YHWH, the Way, the truth....".
A proof, then, if you need it, that Christ is claiming identity as God.
By the way, that "...the Truth"....
The God who is Truth does not mention science in Scriptures.
That bit is pseudoscientific wibble, as is your understanding of the means of grace by which we are saved.
Almighty God is indeed the way, the truth and the life and he sent Jesus to teach us what God learnt in Heaven when he led the righteous there out of Satan's clutches. We must accept that everyone won't understand the science behind it all but it helps if you try and follow Jesus accurately because then you are following a science that includes resurrection, rebirth, repair and everlasting life and that is the message that Jesus wants us to focus on during these last days because it will all be fast and furious when in full swing and full of weeping and gnashing of teeth...I'm just trying to spare you all that torment by encouraging you to follow Jesus, not me, accurately, and thereby be saved.
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Almighty God is indeed the way, the truth and the life and he sent Jesus to teach us what God learnt in Heaven when he led the righteous there out of Satan's clutches. We must accept that everyone won't understand the science behind it all but it helps if you try and follow Jesus accurately because then you are following a science that includes resurrection, rebirth, repair and everlasting life and that is the message that Jesus wants us to focus on during these last days because it will all be fast and furious when in full swing and full of weeping and gnashing of teeth...I'm just trying to spare you all that torment by encouraging you to follow Jesus, not me, accurately, and thereby be saved.
Non-sensical wibble. A God would not need to go through a learning process, a God would not create Satan such that he would then have to rescue people from; a God would do the best for all people not just the few who stumbled upon the 'correct' teaching. You talk fatuous nonsense to intimidate people as if there isn't already enough suffering in the world.
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Non-sensical wibble. A God would not need to go through a learning process, a God would not create Satan such that he would then have to rescue people from; a God would do the best for all people not just the few who stumbled upon the 'correct' teaching. You talk fatuous nonsense to intimidate people as if there isn't already enough suffering in the world.
It helps if you read the Holy Bible. Then you will find out that we are made in the same image as the Godly. They think and feel the same as us...had similar problems, but dealt with them differently because they were led by Almighty God who, in advance of anyone else, realised that the universe, in its purest form, is all electric..or as the Holy Bible describes it...all spiritual...and by restructuring all the wild, natural laws into a righteous format, Almighty God saved all the righteous in Heaven from both Satan and the same sort of catastrophes that are about to befall us, here, on planet Earth. They, his willing subjects in Heaven, and surrounding civilizations, worship Almighty God as the universal owner of the entire universe and will not do anything in opposition to him. They value his righteousness just as we will when he sorts us all out. There can be no better science than the one that incorporates the eternal nature of the universe for our own, individual, health, happiness, and well-being...and that is what is on offer by our Deity, after God's Final Judgement. It's all a question of harnessing and harvesting an indestructible energy that, in Almighty God's name, is the producer of all scientific laws.
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It helps if you read the Holy Bible. Then you will find out that we are made in the same image as the Godly. They think and feel the same as us...had similar problems, but dealt with them differently because they were led by Almighty God who, in advance of anyone else, realised that the universe, in its purest form, is all electric..or as the Holy Bible describes it...all spiritual...and by restructuring all the wild, natural laws into a righteous format, Almighty God saved all the righteous in Heaven from both Satan and the same sort of catastrophes that are about to befall us, here, on planet Earth. They, his willing subjects in Heaven, and surrounding civilizations, worship Almighty God as the universal owner of the entire universe and will not do anything in opposition to him. They value his righteousness just as we will when he sorts us all out. There can be no better science than the one that incorporates the eternal nature of the universe for our own, individual, health, happiness, and well-being...and that is what is on offer by our Deity, after God's Final Judgement. It's all a question of harnessing and harvesting an indestructible energy that, in Almighty God's name, is the producer of all scientific laws.
Non-sensical wibble. A God would not need to go through a learning process, a God would not create Satan such that he would then have to rescue people from; a God would do the best for all people not just the few who stumbled upon the 'correct' teaching. You talk fatuous nonsense to intimidate people as if there isn't already enough suffering in the world.
It is a hallmark of a fraud that they avoid answering straightforward questions with straightforward answers, preferring to cower behind a smokescreen of unintelligible nonsense.
You're not fooling anyone round here with your childish head games I'm afraid. Grow up and get a life Nicholas Marks.
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Non-sensical wibble. A God would not need to go through a learning process, a God would not create Satan such that he would then have to rescue people from; a God would do the best for all people not just the few who stumbled upon the 'correct' teaching. You talk fatuous nonsense to intimidate people as if there isn't already enough suffering in the world.
It is a hallmark of a fraud that they avoid answering straightforward questions with straightforward answers, preferring to cower behind a smokescreen of unintelligible nonsense.
You're not fooling anyone round here with your childish head games I'm afraid. Grow up and get a life Nicholas Marks.
There is no need for you to be saved if you don't want to...but there are millions who might not agree with you and who have invested in righteous teaching to ensure the best out of Jesus Christ's science. Those you seem to support are busy building their underground bunkers...have they invited you to share a place??...They aren't the sharing kind and certainly not trustworthy in any promises they might have made you, so I would refer to the Holy Bible if you can't accept what I am saying. That is why we come here to discuss Jesus Christ, his meanings and his salvation isn't it??
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There is no need for you to be saved if you don't want to...but there are millions who might not agree with you and who have invested in righteous teaching to ensure the best out of Jesus Christ's science. Those you seem to support are busy building their underground bunkers...have they invited you to share a place??...They aren't the sharing kind and certainly not trustworthy in any promises they might have made you, so I would refer to the Holy Bible if you can't accept what I am saying. That is why we come here to discuss Jesus Christ, his meanings and his salvation isn't it??
".....millions who have invested...."
Ah!
Those would be the Christians, then - the ones who have read Scripture accurately and dound that Jesus is not separate from God, but God Himself, then....the millions of Christians of whom, apparenty, you remain ignorant?
Or are there milions of others of which we are as yet unaware?
Are they on Nabiru?
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".....millions who have invested...."
Ah!
Those would be the Christians, then - the ones who have read Scripture accurately and dound that Jesus is not separate from God, but God Himself, then....the millions of Christians of whom, apparenty, you remain ignorant?
Or are there milions of others of which we are as yet unaware?
Are they on Nibiru?
I'm not going round and round in circular argument with you. The teacher of all righteousness is Jesus Christ who fosters the innocent mind as the healthy mind so that what we Biblically read and understand from our innocence is the truth, not the hidden, hard to determine, iniquitous and often inaccurate substitutions made by others for various reasons including supporting Constantine and his heirs. We are all being taken as fools...except those who follow Jesus Christ, as he taught us...as he told us....and as he lived his life for us, in fulfilment of God's 'word' made flesh.
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I'm not going round and round in circular argument with you. The teacher of all righteousness is Jesus Christ who fosters the innocent mind as the healthy mind so that what we Biblically read and understand from our innocence is the truth, not the hidden, hard to determine, iniquitous and often inaccurate substitutions made by others for various reasons including supporting Constantine and his heirs. We are all being taken as fools...except those who follow Jesus Christ, as he taught us...as he told us....and as he lived his life for us, in fulfilment of God's 'word' made flesh.
What is it with this Constantine stuff, NM?
I have scant respect for his interferance in the Church, but the belief in God as triune in nature predates him by well over a century and a half, and is firmly grounded on an ACCURATE reading of Scripture.
Untill you have the basic Chrstology set out correctly, all the pseudo scientific neoGnostic stuff you come up with will fall - both on scientific principles - as you have been shown time and time again, and have been unable to provide a shred of evidence to back up; and on grounds of theology; your failure to read an accurate translation of Scripture without putting thoughts and ideas which are alien to it, in the mix.
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What is it with this Constantine stuff, NM?
I have scant respect for his interferance in the Church, but the belief in God as triune in nature predates him by well over a century and a half, and is firmly grounded on an ACCURATE reading of Scripture.
Untill you have the basic Chrstology set out correctly, all the pseudo scientific neoGnostic stuff you come up with will fall - both on scientific principles - as you have been shown time and time again, and have been unable to provide a shred of evidence to back up; and on grounds of theology; your failure to read an accurate translation of Scripture without putting thoughts and ideas which are alien to it, in the mix.
Constantine is a point in Christian history when it began going off the rails...it had been badly influenced before that time but that is a well documented time when a king grasped power by pretending he was a follower of Jesus, and taking over the minds of the masses. None of this should cause us concern now...it will all soon belong to a forgotten era...but what will carry us through is our alignment with the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ which is an instruction made by Jesus Christ himself, when he told the seven churches in Asia to return to his teaching...accurately, regardless of the many problems they would face, because the end of all those problems will come as a thief in the night...and we must be ready.
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Constantine is a point in Christian history when it began going off the rails...it had been badly influenced before that time but that is a well documented time when a king grasped power by pretending he was a follower of Jesus, and taking over the minds of the masses. None of this should cause us concern now...it will all soon belong to a forgotten era...but what will carry us through is our alignment with the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ which is an instruction made by Jesus Christ himself, when he told the seven churches in Asia to return to his teaching...accurately, regardless of the many problems they would face, because the end of all those problems will come as a thief in the night...and we must be ready.
We are indeed going round in circles.
There you go again, mentioning "the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ" - who never taught about physics, chemistry, science, solar mechanics, star formation or the rest - but who did - by any accurate reading of the Gospel, teach that He identified Himself as God"
He did not say that God had shown us a way.
He said that He - the "I AM" who is the Way - is the Way.
Forget the pseudoscientific guff - it rapes - yes, rapes - the Gospel, but concentrate on Christ, who He is, why He died and our response.
Don't throw 'righteous science" into the mix. Don't pollute the Gospel with 'dynamic energy' rubbish. Don't read into it things which are not there - and don't waste time on apocalyptic musings, because Jesus - the I AM who is also the truth - told us not to.
Accurately.
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There is no need for you to be saved if you don't want to...but there are millions who might not agree with you and who have invested in righteous teaching to ensure the best out of Jesus Christ's science. Those you seem to support are busy building their underground bunkers...have they invited you to share a place??...They aren't the sharing kind and certainly not trustworthy in any promises they might have made you, so I would refer to the Holy Bible if you can't accept what I am saying. That is why we come here to discuss Jesus Christ, his meanings and his salvation isn't it??
Don't be silly. If people are at some sort of existential risk such that they need saving from something and there is a God, then he would do whatever is needed and whatever is best irrespective of what people, with their limited understanding, think is best. A God that has that power but fails to use it for good, is evil, by its own choice.
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No...because common sense should tell us that Jesus Christ is talking a language that appeals to those who value the things he stands for and want to discover more. That is why the word of Almighty God flourishes amongst the honest and the caring, the Holy and the righteous...but, apparently, not to those who are lost or who don't care much for the rest of us.
Oh come on. Surely you can be more insulting thatn that. So non believers are not honest or caring? Muslims, Hindu, Buddhists likewise (other options are available I believe).
When you stop posting such childish palpable nonsense you might find people listen to you more, rather than dismissing your ramblings as being slightly off kilter. When I say slightly I hope you understand that I am practicing the art of understatement.
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Dear me Nick, you can't even get your head around the 'fact' that that the bible doesn't prove the bible.
Regards ippy
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We are indeed going round in circles.
There you go again, mentioning "the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ" - who never taught about physics, chemistry, science, solar mechanics, star formation or the rest - but who did - by any accurate reading of the Gospel, teach that He identified Himself as God"
He did not say that God had shown us a way.
He said that He - the "I AM" who is the Way - is the Way.
Forget the pseudoscientific guff - it rapes - yes, rapes - the Gospel, but concentrate on Christ, who He is, why He died and our response.
Don't throw 'righteous science" into the mix. Don't pollute the Gospel with 'dynamic energy' rubbish. Don't read into it things which are not there - and don't waste time on apocalyptic musings, because Jesus - the I AM who is also the truth - told us not to.
Accurately.
You must read your Holy Bible again with the intention of believing what Jesus Christ says. If he is in Heaven, sitting at the right hand of God...it is like telling you he isn't God but a carbon copy replica of God because they both believe in each other to such an extent that the son obeyed the laws of righteousness down to the last detail and that last detail says that those who follow Jesus, in the same way he followed his father, will upbuild within themselves a righteous spirit and that that righteous spirit will save us, resurrect us, repair us, and ultimately, when we have got the science right, give us everlasting life.
Now...we have wasted 2000 years but that has only brought us closer to God's Judgement...and make no mistake...those who cannot upbuild a righteous spirit in time will suffer the consequences of the eviction from this planet and into 'a fiery lake of sulphur' which the evidence tells me, is fast approaching.
Now...Almighty God and Jesus Christ have laid down their terms and conditions...It requires a complete change in attitude because even though we think we are ok in righteous terms...we don't come anywhere near salvageable and that is a shame because many more could make it.
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what we Biblically read and understand from our innocence is the truth, not the hidden, hard to determine, iniquitous and often inaccurate substitutions made by others for various reasons including supporting Constantine and his heirs.
You wouldn't know what were iniquitous and inaccurate substitutions if they jumped up and bit you on the backside. In fact they have bitten you on the backside, and kept their teeth firmly lodged there, since you're prepared to accept as 'accurate' the abomination which is the New World 'Translation', rejected as a bodged job of literary bilge by every genuine scholar of biblical matters alive.
The irony of this is that you - without an iota of linguistic scholarship - accept this egregious JW tome as authoritative, whilst still reserving the privilege to assert that the teaching of the Jehovah's Witnesses is 'not without errors'. You are one seriously confused guy, although in your arrogance you seem to think you are a prophet of God. If anyone wanted to convince me of their divinely inspired credentials, they'd have to show evidence that they'd got at least something right about reality - scientific or otherwise. So far your score is zilch.
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You wouldn't know what were iniquitous and inaccurate substitutions if they jumped up and bit you on the backside. In fact they have bitten you on the backside, and kept their teeth firmly lodged there, since you're prepared to accept as 'accurate' the abomination which is the New World 'Translation', rejected as a bodged job of literary bilge by every genuine scholar of biblical matters alive.
The irony of this is that you - without an iota of linguistic scholarship - accept this egregious JW tome as authoritative, whilst still reserving the privilege to assert that the teaching of the Jehovah's Witnesses is 'not without errors'. You are one seriously confused guy, although in your arrogance you seem to think you are a prophet of God. If anyone wanted to convince me of their divinely inspired credentials, they'd have to show evidence that they'd got at least something right about reality - scientific or otherwise. So far your score is zilch.
Well put.
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You must read your Holy Bible again with the intention of believing what Jesus Christ says. If he is in Heaven, sitting at the right hand of God...it is like telling you he isn't God but a carbon copy replica of God because they both believe in each other to such an extent that the son obeyed the laws of righteousness down to the last detail and that last detail says that those who follow Jesus, in the same way he followed his father, will upbuild within themselves a righteous spirit and that that righteous spirit will save us, resurrect us, repair us, and ultimately, when we have got the science right, give us everlasting life.
Now...we have wasted 2000 years but that has only brought us closer to God's Judgement...and make no mistake...those who cannot upbuild a righteous spirit in time will suffer the consequences of the eviction from this planet and into 'a fiery lake of sulphur' which the evidence tells me, is fast approaching.
Now...Almighty God and Jesus Christ have laid down their terms and conditions...It requires a complete change in attitude because even though we think we are ok in righteous terms...we don't come anywhere near salvageable and that is a shame because many more could make it.
Nothing wrong with believing the words of the bible Nick, only problem with that is that no one has been able to supply any evidence that would or could back it up to being anything other than work of fiction, especially the magical, mystical and superstition based parts of this bible of yours.
It doesn't matter a fig how many millions believe in this bible of yours Nick, it still hasn't got a shred of evidence to back it up, no matter how many believe it.
Braking the circle as you put it is a job for you Nick, when you find the evidence, real viable evidence, the genuine article we'll all be joining you, until then you'll have to keep on struggling.
Regards ippy
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You must read your Holy Bible again with the intention of believing what Jesus Christ says. If he is in Heaven, sitting at the right hand of God...it is like telling you he isn't God but a carbon copy replica of God because they both believe in each other to such an extent that the son obeyed the laws of righteousness down to the last detail and that last detail says that those who follow Jesus, in the same way he followed his father, will upbuild within themselves a righteous spirit and that that righteous spirit will save us, resurrect us, repair us, and ultimately, when we have got the science right, give us everlasting life.
Now...we have wasted 2000 years but that has only brought us closer to God's Judgement...and make no mistake...those who cannot upbuild a righteous spirit in time will suffer the consequences of the eviction from this planet and into 'a fiery lake of sulphur' which the evidence tells me, is fast approaching.
Now...Almighty God and Jesus Christ have laid down their terms and conditions...It requires a complete change in attitude because even though we think we are ok in righteous terms...we don't come anywhere near salvageable and that is a shame because many more could make it.
This is not Scriptural.
It is not Christian doctrine.
It is not accurate.
That's why those 'millions of Christians' you bang on about wouldn't go near your theology with a ten foot dynamically charged bargepole.
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The error you are all making is in thinking that Almighty God and his son, Jesus Christ, know nothing about science, whilst their science is far more advanced than you or I. It's all built around the spiritual nature of the universe and I have told you often enough that the same energy that science says 'everything is energy' about, and the same stuff that science calls dark matter, and dark energy, is Biblically called, God's spiritual waters, God's mighty power, God's fountain of living waters, God's dynamic energy, and is the same invisible and undetectable property Almighty God and Jesus are referring to. The Holy Bible tells us what it is good for and that equates to genetic repair, rebirth, resurrection and everlasting life, and we know this because Jesus Christ told us and showed us. It is especially important right now because, like any advanced scientist might, Almighty God knew a few thousand years ago what will happen in our now, immediate future, and sent Jesus to show us how to live while we wait, how we must live if we want to be saved from the full force of it all, and how we will certainly live after it has all passed.
You are forgetting that Almighty God and Jesus Christ are the highest authority in the universe and what they say goes and what they are saying is that these forthcoming great tribulations will serve as God's Judgement and we will have to be ready for it righteously or fail. The innocent are excused because they will accept righteousness without quibble , unlike those who are led by iniquity or those who have other plans. Following the life, death, and resurrection, of Jesus Christ, accurately, is the refining tool for us all, bar none, and anyone who reads the Holy Bible, themselves, should know this.
ps...slagging off others who read and employ the Holy Bible in their daily lives is against the teaching of Jesus Christ and won't earn you any brownie points.
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The error you are all making is in thinking that Almighty God and his son, Jesus Christ, know nothing about science, whilst their science is far more advanced than you or I. It's all built around the spiritual nature of the universe and I have told you often enough that the same energy that science says 'everything is energy' about, and the same stuff that science calls dark matter, and dark energy, is Biblically called, God's spiritual waters, God's mighty power, God's fountain of living waters, God's dynamic energy, and is the same invisible and undetectable property Almighty God and Jesus are referring to. The Holy Bible tells us what it is good for and that equates to genetic repair, rebirth, resurrection and everlasting life, and we know this because Jesus Christ told us and showed us. It is especially important right now because, like any advanced scientist might, Almighty God knew a few thousand years ago what will happen in our now, immediate future, and sent Jesus to show us how to live while we wait, how we must live if we want to be saved from the full force of it all, and how we will certainly live after it has all passed.
You are forgetting that Almighty God and Jesus Christ are the highest authority in the universe and what they say goes and what they are saying is that these forthcoming great tribulations will serve as God's Judgement and we will have to be ready for it righteously or fail. The innocent are excused because they will accept righteousness without quibble , unlike those who are led by iniquity or those who have other plans. Following the life, death, and resurrection, of Jesus Christ, accurately, is the refining tool for us all, bar none, and anyone who reads the Holy Bible, themselves, should know this.
ps...slagging off others who read and employ the Holy Bible in their daily lives is against the teaching of Jesus Christ and won't earn you any brownie points.
This stuff you've posted below Nick, you nor anyone else have ever substantiated anything like this, there is no way that you can substantiate any of it and there's no way that you or anyone else can possibly know any of this absolute nonsense.
"You are forgetting that Almighty God and Jesus Christ are the highest authority in the universe and what they say goes and what they are saying is that these forthcoming great tribulations will serve as God's Judgement and we will have to be ready for it righteously or fail. The innocent are excused"
All you ever do Nick, is to assert knowledge that you are totally unable to prove that there's any truth in any of it and I doubt you ever will, it's all gibbering unsubstantiated nonsense.
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The error you are all making is in thinking that Almighty God and his son, Jesus Christ, know nothing about science, whilst their science is far more advanced than you or I. It's all built around the spiritual nature of the universe and I have told you often enough that the same energy that science says 'everything is energy' about, and the same stuff that science calls dark matter, and dark energy, is Biblically called, God's spiritual waters, God's mighty power, God's fountain of living waters, God's dynamic energy, and is the same invisible and undetectable property Almighty God and Jesus are referring to. The Holy Bible tells us what it is good for and that equates to genetic repair, rebirth, resurrection and everlasting life, and we know this because Jesus Christ told us and showed us. It is especially important right now because, like any advanced scientist might, Almighty God knew a few thousand years ago what will happen in our now, immediate future, and sent Jesus to show us how to live while we wait, how we must live if we want to be saved from the full force of it all, and how we will certainly live after it has all passed.
You are forgetting that Almighty God and Jesus Christ are the highest authority in the universe and what they say goes and what they are saying is that these forthcoming great tribulations will serve as God's Judgement and we will have to be ready for it righteously or fail. The innocent are excused because they will accept righteousness without quibble , unlike those who are led by iniquity or those who have other plans. Following the life, death, and resurrection, of Jesus Christ, accurately, is the refining tool for us all, bar none, and anyone who reads the Holy Bible, themselves, should know this.
ps...slagging off others who read and employ the Holy Bible in their daily lives is against the teaching of Jesus Christ and won't earn you any brownie points.
Ignorant wibble.
It is right and proper to challenge cranks and fraudsters who mis-use the internet to spread alarmist fake beliefs through persistent misrepresentations, distortions and exaggerations be it of science or religion.
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If god exists I bet it is thrilled with the way NM is making it and Jesus look stupid. Maybe a special BBQ has been reserved for NM when he is roasting in hell!
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Ignorant wibble.
It is right and proper to challenge cranks and fraudsters who mis-use the internet to spread alarmist fake beliefs through persistent misrepresentations, distortions and exaggerations be it of science or religion.
All the signs listed in Revelation are present in this day and age, as far as I can ascertain and are coming to a head like a nasty carbuncle. It is time to take Jesus Christ seriously...if we want what he offers. I will sum them all up in the Biblical statement 'difficult times, hard to deal with and governments not knowing the way out of them...Many of these problems are hidden from view...but there is a way out. In our rush to bury Almighty God the nasty arm of Satan has become massive in the face of us all...but it is amazing how quickly he retreats when he is faced with righteousness. Try it some time.
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All the signs listed in Revelation are present in this day and age, as far as I can ascertain and are coming to a head like a nasty carbuncle. It is time to take Jesus Christ seriously...if we want what he offers. I will sum them all up in the Biblical statement 'difficult times, hard to deal with and governments not knowing the way out of them...Many of these problems are hidden from view...but there is a way out. In our rush to bury Almighty God the nasty arm of Satan has become massive in the face of us all...but it is amazing how quickly he retreats when he is faced with righteousness. Try it some time.
It is you who is making a mockery of the Bible with your nonsense. If Satan exists I bet he is really proud of Nicholas Marks, his henchman in chief. Think on!
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It is you who is making a mockery of the Bible with your nonsense. If Satan exists I bet he is really proud of Nicholas Marks, his henchman in chief. Think on!
When Jesus had the same accusation made against him he replied...Does Satan condemn Satan?...I suggest the same righteous reasoning applies here.
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It is you who is making a mockery of the Bible with your nonsense. If Satan exists I bet he is really proud of Nicholas Marks, his henchman in chief. Think on!
What a bloody stupid comment.
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When Jesus had the same accusation made against him he replied...Does Satan condemn Satan?...I suggest the same righteous reasoning applies here.
More nonsensical garbage.
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Hello Nicholas
I'm with you on the energy, everything is energy and vibration; Nikola Tesla (who's name Elon Musk stole) will tell you that. God's Word is vibration, and vibration creates.
Regards Revelation, please look at Historicism rather then Futurism. The book of Daniel was fulfilled in 70AD by Christ; very little is left in Revelation which is shown by the Historicist view.
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Hello Nicholas
I'm with you on the energy, everything is energy and vibration; Nikola Tesla (who's name Elon Musk stole) will tell you that. God's Word is vibration, and vibration creates.
Regards Revelation, please look at Historicism rather then Futurism. The book of Daniel was fulfilled in 70AD by Christ; very little is left in Revelation which is shown by the Historicist view.
Oh blimey, don't tell me there is someone in the universe who actually agrees with NM's garbage. :o
Mind you, thinking of vibration I remember a speaker who gave a sermon at the awful Pentecostal Church I attended as a kid. He was describing in graphic detail what would happen to unsaved virgins in hell. In the pulpit one hand seemed to be going up and down, presumably in his trousers. He was definitely vibrating, as he got off on his description of the virgins. ;D
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Hello Nicholas
I'm with you on the energy, everything is energy and vibration; Nikola Tesla (who's name Elon Musk stole) will tell you that. God's Word is vibration, and vibration creates.
Regards Revelation, please look at Historicism rather then Futurism. The book of Daniel was fulfilled in 70AD by Christ; very little is left in Revelation which is shown by the Historicist view.
Another load of drivel from the next on the list after Nick, what a fine pair!
Regards ippy.
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Hello Nicholas
I'm with you on the energy, everything is energy and vibration; Nikola Tesla (who's name Elon Musk stole) will tell you that. God's Word is vibration, and vibration creates.
Interesting translation of the Logos idea. Doesn't seem to be mentioned in the Wiki article:
Logos (UK: /ˈloʊɡɒs, ˈlɒɡɒs/, US: /ˈloʊɡoʊs/; Ancient Greek: λόγος, translit. lógos; from λέγω, légō, lit. 'I say') is a term in Western philosophy, psychology, rhetoric, and religion derived from a Greek word variously meaning "ground", "plea", "opinion", "expectation", "word", "speech", "account", "reason", "proportion", and "discourse",[1][2] but it became a technical term in Western philosophy beginning with Heraclitus (c. 535 – c. 475 BC), who used the term for a principle of order and knowledge.[3] Logos is the logic behind an argument.[4] Logos tries to persuade an audience using logical arguments and supportive evidence. Logos is a persuasive technique often used in writing and rhetoric.
Ancient Greek philosophers used the term in different ways. The sophists used the term to mean discourse; Aristotle applied the term to refer to "reasoned discourse"[5] or "the argument" in the field of rhetoric, and considered it one of the three modes of persuasion alongside ethos and pathos.[6] Stoic philosophers identified the term with the divine animating principle pervading the Universe. Within Hellenistic Judaism, Philo of Alexandria (c. 20 BC – c. 50 AD) adopted the term into Jewish philosophy.[7] The Gospel of John identifies the Logos, through which all things are made, as divine (theos),[8] and further identifies Jesus Christ as the incarnate Logos. The term is also used in Sufism, and the analytical psychology of Carl Jung.
Despite the conventional translation as "word", it is not used for a word in the grammatical sense; instead, the term lexis (λέξις, léxis) was used.[9] However, both logos and lexis derive from the same verb légō (λέγω), meaning "(I) count, tell, say, speak".[1][9][10]
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Hi SweetPea...I remember you as a kinder person from previous expressions here...and that's all it takes to find righteousness. You must see that hard hearted people with closed minds aren't going to become Christ-like in time and Almighty God hasn't abandoned us. What he has done is leave his Judgement to the moment when a huge global castrophe disrupts the entire working state of what is normal...gravity, the elements...and all evil will all be thrown around by these great tribulations but those who believe that Jesus Christ is the resurrected son of God will have a spiritual advantage which coincides with the righteous teaching of God's word...itself based upon the science of Everything...and to be honest...after weighing up the extent of evil, world wide, and how it is developing...I can't wait.
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Hi SweetPea...I remember you as a kinder person from previous expressions here...and that's all it takes to find righteousness. You must see that hard hearted people with closed minds aren't going to become Christ-like in time and Almighty God hasn't abandoned us. What he has done is leave his Judgement to the moment when a huge global castrophe disrupts the entire working state of what is normal...gravity, the elements...and all evil will all be thrown around by these great tribulations but those who believe that Jesus Christ is the resurrected son of God will have a spiritual advantage which coincides with the righteous teaching of God's word...itself based upon the science of Everything...and to be honest...after weighing up the extent of evil, world wide, and how it is developing...I can't wait.
That you are so gleefully enthusiastic about this impending catastrophe isn't nice to see: fortunately there are no good reasons to take you seriously.
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Hello Nicholas
I'm with you on the energy, everything is energy and vibration; Nikola Tesla (who's name Elon Musk stole) will tell you that. God's Word is vibration, and vibration creates.
Regards Revelation, please look at Historicism rather then Futurism. The book of Daniel was fulfilled in 70AD by Christ; very little is left in Revelation which is shown by the Historicist view.
Oh 'eck.....I've tried.
Believe me, I've tried.
If he mentions 'Constantine'; 'dynamic energy'; 'science' or, for that matter, Klingon carrot farmers, don't blame me.
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Hi SweetPea...I remember you as a kinder person from previous expressions here...and that's all it takes to find righteousness. You must see that hard hearted people with closed minds aren't going to become Christ-like in time and Almighty God hasn't abandoned us. What he has done is leave his Judgement to the moment when a huge global castrophe disrupts the entire working state of what is normal...gravity, the elements...and all evil will all be thrown around by these great tribulations but those who believe that Jesus Christ is the resurrected son of God will have a spiritual advantage which coincides with the righteous teaching of God's word...itself based upon the science of Everything...and to be honest...after weighing up the extent of evil, world wide, and how it is developing...I can't wait.
See wot I mean?
Can I have a translation in Klingon?
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See wot I mean?
Can I have a translation in Klingon?
Klingon would make much more sense than NM's drivel.
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That you are so gleefully enthusiastic about this impending catastrophe isn't nice to see: fortunately there are no good reasons to take you seriously.
The catastrophes that have already taken place justify my position...The Jewish round-up through world war 2...the mass turning away of peoples from their homelands, now, as we speak...the atrocious genetic mal-functions in our health...The world that is forming and fashioning behind closed curtains right now....There is no end to the chaos, not ignoring all the flooding and land disturbances that are caused by the approach of God's Judgement tool. Satan has a lot to answer for and Almighty God has told us how it will happen...It will be by virtue of a nasty global impact which we can be spared from if we follow righteous laws...don't blame me, Jesus Christ, or Almighty God because you refuse to listen...and I have been particularly active, here, trying to save you.
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If the universe responds to electric/spiritual laws, just as the Holy Bible tells us...then we are living in direct opposition to those laws because they need understanding, activating and brought to fruition. It's no good saying 'I'm all right Jack'...Almighty God doesn't work that way. Like all the energy we build up within us from the healthy replicating living-cell, we must share that energy to other areas within and around us, so that the various needs of many glands functioning at various times and varying strengths are all met. This is why I, Jesus Christ, and common sense, tell us not to waste that energy and wasting it is achieved when we do things contrary to righteousness. There is a massive science attached to this reasoning all of which are a part of Jesus's accurate teaching. Don't think that ignoring that science is your best option...it isn't...it is at the root of all genetic failures...and Jesus Christ is the only source whereby this knowledge is made known to us.
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The catastrophes that have already taken place justify my position...The Jewish round-up through world war 2...the mass turning away of peoples from their homelands, now, as we speak...the atrocious genetic mal-functions in our health...The world that is forming and fashioning behind closed curtains right now....There is no end to the chaos, not ignoring all the flooding and land disturbances that are caused by the approach of God's Judgement tool. Satan has a lot to answer for and Almighty God has told us how it will happen...It will be by virtue of a nasty global impact which we can be spared from if we follow righteous laws...don't blame me, Jesus Christ, or Almighty God because you refuse to listen...and I have been particularly active, here, trying to save you.
What, like you have the power to save people ? It is not humans that could do that, but a God could, presumably if he so desired, he could eliminate Satan with a wave of his hand, he could blow impacting interplanetary bodies off course. If he chooses however to allow evil full rein and chooses to allow suffering, then that looks like pure evil.
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What, like you have the power to save people ? It is not humans that could do that, but a God could, presumably if he so desired, he could eliminate Satan with a wave of his hand, he could blow impacting interplanetary bodies off course. If he chooses however to allow evil full rein and chooses to allow suffering, then that looks like pure evil.
Your philosophy then is let's have more of the same...a God who rectifies things for the moment whilst us free thinking people continually keep testing his patients. It's all about us living in peace and harmony by choice and that choice is supported by a wonderful science...not to mention that many who run things today are guilty of some pretty atrocious acts...that demand justice.
My Biblical reasoning, tells me, that what we are going through and what is about to descend upon us is not dissimilar from things that have happened on other life supporting planets and that this method of reconciliation with our God a tried and tested method with the most efficient results...after all Satan was kicked out of Heaven because of his nastiness.
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Your philosophy then is let's have more of the same...a God who rectifies things for the moment whilst us free thinking people continually keep testing his patients. It's all about us living in peace and harmony by choice and that choice is supported by a wonderful science...not to mention that many who run things today are guilty of some pretty atrocious acts...that demand justice.
My Biblical reasoning, tells me, that what we are going through and what is about to descend upon us is not dissimilar from things that have happened on other life supporting planets and that this method of reconciliation with our God a tried and tested method with the most efficient results...after all Satan was kicked out of Heaven because of his nastiness.
Once again you reveal yourself a fraud; by misrepresention and distortion you evade any honest engagement with people, this seems your only modus operandi. No, my philosophy is not 'more of the same', that is your misrepresentation. I pointed out that you do not have the power to save people, but a God could and a God, if he has the power to kick Satan out of Heaven would also have the power to eliminate Satan. This flows from the definition of God. But he chooses not to, so he chooses to continue to tolerate evil to be inflicted on this world. You make no sense.
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The catastrophes that have already taken place justify my position...The Jewish round-up through world war 2...the mass turning away of peoples from their homelands, now, as we speak...the atrocious genetic mal-functions in our health...The world that is forming and fashioning behind closed curtains right now....There is no end to the chaos, not ignoring all the flooding and land disturbances that are caused by the approach of God's Judgement tool. Satan has a lot to answer for and Almighty God has told us how it will happen...It will be by virtue of a nasty global impact which we can be spared from if we follow righteous laws...don't blame me, Jesus Christ, or Almighty God because you refuse to listen...and I have been particularly active, here, trying to save you.
You're trying to save us?
You'll be trying till you sbuff it, then, with absolutely no success whatsoever.
As a Christian, I can absolutely guarantee this.
Salvation comes through Christ, and Him alone, and through no other.
That you have the audacity to clsim this authority is a breathtaking example of your warped - antichristian theology.
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Nick, there's a big difference between knowing something is a true fact and believing something to be a true fact.
You really do have difficulty being able to tell the difference between fact and fiction Nick, why's that?
Regards ippy.
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Many people have come to the realization that it is an electrical universe with a different set of laws that ride on top of current scientific laws. Jesus Christ knew it too and this is how we can all have a spiritual nature hewn from an indestructable energy that is all around us all of the time. You don't want it, that is fine by me...the awkward and the difficult wouldn't enjoy a science built upon truth and harmony anyway...but to say that no one can save another by relaying their support for their saviour is disregarding Jesus's instructions to his faithful. Jesus Christ lived, died, and was resurrected showing us this science...the product of the lead scientist over the entire universe...who says he will judge everyone according to their works and that he will not raise a hand to save those whom he decrees evil. Evil, here, is those who refuse to recognise righteousness in the accurate way Jesus taught us.
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Many people have come to the realization that it is an electrical universe with a different set of laws that ride on top of current scientific laws.
Don't think so, Nick: I think this is just you in the main.
Jesus Christ knew it too and this is how we can all have a spiritual nature hewn from an indestructable energy that is all around us all of the time. You don't want it, that is fine by me...the awkward and the difficult wouldn't enjoy a science built upon truth and harmony anyway...but to say that no one can save another by relaying their support for their saviour is disregarding Jesus's instructions to his faithful. Jesus Christ lived, died, and was resurrected showing us this science...the product of the lead scientist over the entire universe...who says he will judge everyone according to their works and that he will not raise a hand to save those whom he decrees evil. Evil, here, is those who refuse to recognise righteousness in the accurate way Jesus taught us.
Leaving aside the problems involving anecdotal accounts of what Jesus is claimed to have said it seems clear, and Anchorman has been patiently pointing this out to you, that Jesus said nothing whatsoever about 'science'.
Nice of you to regard me as being evil: funnily enough nobody has ever noticed before, or if they have they haven't mentioned it.
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Don't think so, Nick: I think this is just you in the main.
Leaving aside the problems involving anecdotal accounts of what Jesus is claimed to have said it seems clear, and Anchorman has been patiently pointing this out to you, that Jesus said nothing whatsoever about 'science'.
Nice of you to regard me as being evil: funnily enough nobody has ever noticed before, or if they have they haven't mentioned it.
As an English man we do often have to make the sign of a cross at Scotsmen, just in case.
Regards ippy.
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Don't think so, Nick: I think this is just you in the main.
Leaving aside the problems involving anecdotal accounts of what Jesus is claimed to have said it seems clear, and Anchorman has been patiently pointing this out to you, that Jesus said nothing whatsoever about 'science'.
Nice of you to regard me as being evil: funnily enough nobody has ever noticed before, or if they have they haven't mentioned it.
We are all sinners and all have a propensity towards evil actions unless we make a righteous stand. But sin is linked to our genetic health which is linked to our electric/spiritual health and which can inflict genetic harm down the generations so it is wise to listen to Jesus as a science...a righteous science, which means that by sharing our spiritual nature in an upbuilding way we give our genetic health time to recover...you see...cancer erupts because we ignore our spiritual/electric health. Jesus Christ didn't have to mention the word science it is implied in everything he said and did. Turning water into wine...walking on water...bringing the dead back to life...his own resurrection, was all built around a scientific knowledge which is still too advanced for us, but the clues are all in the Holy Bible and by following Jesus Christ as accurately as possible we are living that science.
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We are all sinners and all have a propensity towards evil actions unless we make a righteous stand.
Or we manage any such propensities and decide to behave ourselves: just thinking is sufficient, unless you are just applying 'righteous stand' to what most people do anyway whether or not they are religious.
But sin is linked to our genetic health which is linked to our electric/spiritual health and which can inflict genetic harm down the generations so it is wise to listen to Jesus as a science...a righteous science, which means that by sharing our spiritual nature in an upbuilding way we give our genetic health time to recover...you see...cancer erupts because we ignore our spiritual/electric health. Jesus Christ didn't have to mention the word science it is implied in everything he said and did.
I've yet to be advised by any medic that any medical problems I've had involved either electricity or something spiritual.
Turning water into wine...walking on water...bringing the dead back to life...his own resurrection, was all built around a scientific knowledge which is still too advanced for us, but the clues are all in the Holy Bible and by following Jesus Christ as accurately as possible we are living that science.
All of which could be propaganda for Jesus and simply not factually true: how have you excluded the risks of mistakes or lies being behind these stories? You could be 'following' a lie, Nick.
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Many people have come to the realization that it is an electrical universe with a different set of laws that ride on top of current scientific laws. Jesus Christ knew it too and this is how we can all have a spiritual nature hewn from an indestructable energy that is all around us all of the time. You don't want it, that is fine by me...the awkward and the difficult wouldn't enjoy a science built upon truth and harmony anyway...but to say that no one can save another by relaying their support for their saviour is disregarding Jesus's instructions to his faithful. Jesus Christ lived, died, and was resurrected showing us this science...the product of the lead scientist over the entire universe...who says he will judge everyone according to their works and that he will not raise a hand to save those whom he decrees evil. Evil, here, is those who refuse to recognise righteousness in the accurate way Jesus taught us.
Many of us have come to realise you are a fraud, claiming to follow Jesus' example of kindness and compassion whilst indulging in evasion, misrepresentation, exaggerations and distortions. This is all a silly little game for you, pretending to sincere debate which you have no inclination for whatsoever it seems.
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Or we manage any such propensities and decide to behave ourselves: just thinking is sufficient, unless you are just applying 'righteous stand' to what most people do anyway whether or not they are religious.
I've yet to be advised by any medic that any medical problems I've had involved either electricity or something spiritual.
All of which could be propaganda for Jesus and simply not factually true: how have you excluded the risks of mistakes or lies being behind these stories? You could be 'following' a lie, Nick.
I'm following a truth proven to me on many fronts. I could give many accounts of what I'm saying but it's unnecessary to a dismissive audience. An audience who say they want to talk about Jesus Christ but with a distinct bias towards condemning him. All I'm doing is planting the seeds of an overwhelming truth that everyone with any comprehension of what is going on in the world today would grasp with both hands. That truth is that it is Almighty God's spiritual universe...every scientific law must obey God's laws before it can obey any other law and that Jesus Christ taught us those laws as they appertain to our health and welfare. The other part of Revelation which explains what is going to happen in our near future you can take or leave...but it won't stop it taking place and there is only one answer...It's all in the Holy Bible.
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Many of us have come to realise you are a fraud, claiming to follow Jesus' example of kindness and compassion whilst indulging in evasion, misrepresentation, exaggerations and distortions. This is all a silly little game for you, pretending to sincere debate which you have no inclination for whatsoever it seems.
People who don't follow any Biblical principles like reading it from time to time might make such an assertion...but it won't stop the science that lies behind the teaching of Jesus Christ from working. We don't even have to go to church because iniquity is behind much of their teaching. Even you can see that if one person follows the code laid down by Jesus Christ then the world becomes a marginally better place and all those who follow his guidence are in for a share of a much better place. This is why it is the meek who will inherit the Earth...it is an attitude induced by righteousness.
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People who don't follow any Biblical principles like reading it from time to time might make such an assertion...but it won't stop the science that lies behind the teaching of Jesus Christ from working. We don't even have to go to church because iniquity is behind much of their teaching. Even you can see that if one person follows the code laid down by Jesus Christ then the world becomes a marginally better place and all those who follow his guidence are in for a share of a much better place. This is why it is the meek who will inherit the Earth...it is an attitude induced by righteousness.
So why don't you follow it then ? make the world a marginally better place by engaging sincerely with others, show the humility to learn from others.
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So why don't you follow it then ? make the world a marginally better place by engaging sincerely with others, show the humility to learn from others.
I would suggest that revealing the science to you that has been revealed to me is obeying those principles in bucket loads. I know that it is easy to dismiss something that is hidden from view so I have repeated it often even though you are mostly dismissive. I have told you how to be saved from the greatest threat this planet has been subjected to since its inception and I have shown you there is a greater authority over all those who have claimed squatters rights on this planet and who will shortly be evicted...it's all in the Holy Bible...what I can't do is save you from yourselves...that is between you and Jesus Christ.
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I would suggest that revealing the science to you that has been revealed to me is obeying those principles in bucket loads. I know that it is easy to dismiss something that is hidden from view so I have repeated it often even though you are mostly dismissive. I have told you how to be saved from the greatest threat this planet has been subjected to since its inception and I have shown you there is a greater authority over all those who have claimed squatters rights on this planet and who will shortly be evicted...it's all in the Holy Bible...what I can't do is save you from yourselves...that is between you and Jesus Christ.
We have a right to be dismissive of people who habitually fail to back up their claims; false prophets and all that.
What threat is the planet facing ?
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I would suggest that revealing the science to you that has been revealed to me is obeying those principles in bucket loads. I know that it is easy to dismiss something that is hidden from view so I have repeated it often even though you are mostly dismissive. I have told you how to be saved from the greatest threat this planet has been subjected to since its inception and I have shown you there is a greater authority over all those who have claimed squatters rights on this planet and who will shortly be evicted...it's all in the Holy Bible...what I can't do is save you from yourselves...that is between you and Jesus Christ.
It is very easy to dismiss people like you who make stupid unsupportable claims.
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It is very easy to dismiss people like you who make stupid unsupportable claims.
That's rich, coming from the queen of the bare, unsupported "imo" statement!
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There is a Holy Bible to support my claims and what it is telling me is that we can harness an harvest a wonderful energy that can pass along to a new vessel after death...until we can get the science of everlasting life right...but it requires special instructions as delivered to us by Jesus Christ's accurate teaching. Those that don't want it won't get it...but that is up to them.
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There is a Holy Bible to support my claims and what it is telling me is that we can harness an harvest a wonderful energy that can pass along to a new vessel after death...until we can get the science of everlasting life right...but it requires special instructions as delivered to us by Jesus Christ's accurate teaching. Those that don't want it won't get it...but that is up to them.
Your interpretation of the Bible is unique! The Bible is cannot be used as any sort of evidence to back up your nonsense.
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Your interpretation of the Bible is unique! The Bible is cannot be used as any sort of evidence to back up your nonsense.
The choice is yours...I have delivered adequate evidence which tells you there is more to the universe than we can possibly perceive without strict and disciplined guidance. The alternative is spelt out in the Holy Bible in no uncertain terms. My job, as I see it, is bringing it to your attention so that you can have a choice based on the Biblical facts rather than the often iniquitous, false, and very damaging alternatives. Jesus died for us so that we can see the seriousness in his teaching, not to mention the wonderful science in his resurrection.
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Don't think so, Nick: I think this is just you in the main.
Leaving aside the problems involving anecdotal accounts of what Jesus is claimed to have said it seems clear, and Anchorman has been patiently pointing this out to you, that Jesus said nothing whatsoever about 'science'.
Nice of you to regard me as being evil: funnily enough nobody has ever noticed before, or if they have they haven't mentioned it.
OK, it's that damn forked tail....I told you about that.
It's a dead giveaway.
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OK, it's that damn forked tail....I told you about that.
It's a dead giveaway.
I see: I might need to invest in some special trousers.
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Or we manage any such propensities and decide to behave ourselves: just thinking is sufficient, unless you are just applying 'righteous stand' to what most people do anyway whether or not they are religious.
I've yet to be advised by any medic that any medical problems I've had involved either electricity or something spiritual.
All of which couldPeople who don't follow any Biblical principles like reading it from time to time might make such an assertion...but it won't stop the science that lies behind the teaching of Jesus Christ from working. We don't even have to go to church because iniquity is behind much of their teaching. Even you can see that if one person follows the code laid down by Jesus Christ then the world becomes a marginally better place and all those who follow his guidence are in for a share of a much better place. This is why it is the meek who will inherit the Earth...it is an attitude induced by righteousness.
be propaganda for Jesus and simply not factually true: how have you excluded the risks of mistakes or lies being behind these stories? You could be 'following' a lie, Nick.
Utter gargage.
Not only utter garbage, but directly in opposittion to that Bible - even the cat litter known as the NWT - you claim to read.
Even a cursory look at both Acts and the Pauline letters should tell you that Christians - that's those who accept what the Bible says about Christ - God incarnate - should assemble together. Paul even takes it as read that we should do so.
Does that mean all was sweetness and light in the first century Church? Of course not! Anyone who has even glanved through the New Testament - and even Revelation, by the way, will se otherwise - Scripture makes no effort to hide it.
To say that believers should not assemble in whatever church they think is fitting for them is in direct contravention of Scripture and against God's command.
You can shove any fanciful pseudoscientific tripe into your somewhat vague, inattested, interpretation of Scripture, but your assertion that you don't need to go to church means you don't need to be part of the Body - and therefore, whatever you follow, NM, it is not Christ.
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Bringing the topic back on theme we must remember that every atom has an energy built within it and that the living-cell is very much aligned with atoms. These living-cells work in two parts. They come together, perform a repeatable pattern of behaviour, replicating what is contained within the mother cell, then leave two daughter cells in their wake...a chemical composition which has their own chemical functions to perform has been created. The point I am making is that this behaviour can only be performed by electrical components which generate an electrical force. They must be invisible because they have never been seen but their pattern of behaviour has been seen, and my explanation, as gleaned from the Holy Bible, is the only satisfactory one. The instigator of cell replication has to be part atoms...incomplete atoms that thrive electrically when they come into contact with each other just as mating couples do. They separate after this invisible mating has been performed and reach out to adjoining cells and continue the process with different partners but the net result is the same. It is the energy they generate which is of particular importance because this energy is used within the body as a nutrient for all our genetic functions and it is very wise not to waste it...but use it efficiently so that our genetic health stays on target and doesn't misfire as many of us have experienced in serious and horrible ways. Now if that offends anyone I will say sorry now.
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Bringing the topic back on theme we must remember that every atom has an energy built within it and that the living-cell is very much aligned with atoms. These living-cells work in two parts. They come together, perform a repeatable pattern of behaviour, replicating what is contained within the mother cell, then leave two daughter cells in their wake...a chemical composition which has their own chemical functions to perform has been created. The point I am making is that this behaviour can only be performed by electrical components which generate an electrical force. They must be invisible because they have never been seen but their pattern of behaviour has been seen, and my explanation, as gleaned from the Holy Bible, is the only satisfactory one. The instigator of cell replication has to be part atoms...incomplete atoms that thrive electrically when they come into contact with each other just as mating couples do. They separate after this invisible mating has been performed and reach out to adjoining cells and continue the process with different partners but the net result is the same. It is the energy they generate which is of particular importance because this energy is used within the body as a nutrient for all our genetic functions and it is very wise not to waste it...but use it efficiently so that our genetic health stays on target and doesn't misfire as many of us have experienced in serious and horrible ways. Now if that offends anyone I will say sorry now.
Do you know how insulting and vile this is, NM?
Sin has diddly squat to do with Genetics - indeed the Lord Jesus specifically ruled out a parent's sin as aa cause for disease - and if you HAD read Scripture accurately, you'd be able to poiny it out for yourself.
I'll give you timer before I post it.
Meantime, do you realise how many disabled Christians there are?
All of us committed to Christ, sinners saved by grace?
Some with chronic disease, others as a result of accident - and a few as a rssult of genetics.
We would happily talkw ith you about this tripe of yours.
I challenge you to an open meeting - here and now; will you meet with a joint group of Torch and CA )Totch are Blind Christians, CA are Christians with disabilities)
We have branches throughout the UK - I can happily set up a meeting neear you, wherever you live, as you won't be more than twenty fife miles from one if you live in an urbab or semi rural are.
Will you propound your 'theories' todisabled Christians face to face, some of whom, NM, are REAL scientists?
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be propaganda for Jesus and simply not factually true: how have you excluded the risks of mistakes or lies being behind these stories? You could be 'following' a lie, Nick.
Utter gargage.
Not only utter garbage, but directly in opposittion to that Bible - even the cat litter known as the NWT - you claim to read.
Even a cursory look at both Acts and the Pauline letters should tell you that Christians - that's those who accept what the Bible says about Christ - God incarnate - should assemble together. Paul even takes it as read that we should do so.
Does that mean all was sweetness and light in the first century Church? Of course not! Anyone who has even glanved through the New Testament - and even Revelation, by the way, will se otherwise - Scripture makes no effort to hide it.
To say that believers should not assemble in whatever church they think is fitting for them is in direct contravention of Scripture and against God's command.
You can shove any fanciful pseudoscientific tripe into your somewhat vague, inattested, interpretation of Scripture, but your assertion that you don't need to go to church means you don't need to be part of the Body - and therefore, whatever you follow, NM, it is not Christ.
It's true that Jesus encourages those who follow his word accurately to come together but these are true followers not followers of iniquity...remember what Jesus said about iniquity. Your remarks about the JW's aren't very Christian either, not to mention what you say about me...but no matter...when Jesus tells us of all the slanderous remarks made against him and tells us to expect much the same I just take it on the chin. There are so many important messages concerning this day and age written in the Holy Bible, and in particular Revelation...Jesus says that he sits at the right hand of God until the appointed time and all the Biblical signs are saying that that appointed time isn't so very far off. Everything I say is to help you with your salvation.
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Do you know how insulting and vile this is, NM?
Sin has diddly squat to do with Genetics - indeed the Lord Jesus specifically ruled out a parent's sin as aa cause for disease - and if you HAD read Scripture accurately, you'd be able to poiny it out for yourself.
I'll give you timer before I post it.
Meantime, do you realise how many disabled Christians there are?
All of us committed to Christ, sinners saved by grace?
Some with chronic disease, others as a result of accident - and a few as a rssult of genetics.
We would happily talkw ith you about this tripe of yours.
I challenge you to an open meeting - here and now; will you meet with a joint group of Torch and CA )Totch are Blind Christians, CA are Christians with disabilities)
We have branches throughout the UK - I can happily set up a meeting neear you, wherever you live, as you won't be more than twenty fife miles from one if you live in an urbab or semi rural are.
Will you propound your 'theories' todisabled Christians face to face, some of whom, NM, are REAL scientists?
By sin, death came into the world. Well I've yet to find anyone who dies from anything but a genetic dysfunction of the heart.
Read the Holy Bible again and see the wonderful attributes that Jesus promises the faithful, including everlasting life. You don't seem to accept that Jesus Christ knew all about spiritual matters and laid the blame of our health problems at our own door and those that manipulate our health by evil...or that we carry the sins of our fathers and our forefathers. It's time to realise that the Holy Bible is a serious book of facts and not a mythological, take it or leave it, book of intellectual contrivances.
If it is an electrical/spiritual universe and Almighty God and Jesus Christ say it is, then the cure of all our health problems can be deduced from the Holy Bible...and my experience of factory life in the mid-stream of evil machinations known politely as 'management' supports my reasoning up to the hilt.
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The choice is yours...I have delivered adequate evidence which tells you there is more to the universe than we can possibly perceive without strict and disciplined guidance. The alternative is spelt out in the Holy Bible in no uncertain terms. My job, as I see it, is bringing it to your attention so that you can have a choice based on the Biblical facts rather than the often iniquitous, false, and very damaging alternatives. Jesus died for us so that we can see the seriousness in his teaching, not to mention the wonderful science in his resurrection.
I don't think god, if it exists, would look favourably on someone who tells lies. You are making a false statement by saying you have provided adequate evidence, when you have provided none whatsoever.
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I don't think god, if it exists, would look favourably on someone who tells lies. You are making a false statement by saying you have provided adequate evidence, when you have provided none whatsoever.
I think your opening sentence tells us all we need to know about where you stand in these matters.
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I think your opening sentence tells us all we need to know about where you stand in these matters.
Each post you make shows us what a less than truthful person you are, who is preaching ridiculous falsehoods. GET REAL NM, see yourself as most others see you.
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Each post you make shows us what a less than truthful person you are, who is preaching ridiculous falsehoods. GET REAL NM, see yourself as most others see you.
Your saying nothing that Jesus Christ wasn't told so it's quite a compliment...but not even you will escape the electric/spiritual nature of things as detailed in the Holy Bible. All I've done is said yes...Jesus is right on the money because he delivered a wonderful science which offers those who spiritually survive the great tribulations a wonderful future...and remember that even those who have their heads chopped off because of their righteous stance are Biblically promised a place, a kingship no less...Now my science has to accommodate that sort of teaching and a spiritual rebirth to a new vessel serves that point adequately.
Time to repent before the science overtakes you.
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Your saying nothing that Jesus Christ wasn't told so it's quite a compliment...but not even you will escape the electric/spiritual nature of things as detailed in the Holy Bible. All I've done is said yes...Jesus is right on the money because he delivered a wonderful science which offers those who spiritually survive the great tribulations a wonderful future...and remember that even those who have their heads chopped off because of their righteous stance are Biblically promised a place, a kingship no less...Now my science has to accommodate that sort of teaching and a spiritual rebirth to a new vessel serves that point adequately.
Time to repent before the science overtakes you.
Instead of preaching your nonsense to others, you need to take a long hard look at yourself. It is you who should be repenting for the lies you keep spouting, for instance, attributing to science your nonsense which is a far removed from real science as it is possible to be. ::)
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Instead of preaching your nonsense to others, you need to take a long hard look at yourself. It is you who should be repenting for the lies you keep spouting, for instance, attributing to science your nonsense which is a far removed from real science as it is possible to be. ::)
You say you read the Holy Bible so why not let it work for you?
It's all about changing attitudes to a kinder more caring way of activity and, thereby, give our own genetic health a break. You might then just become close to reaching that emotional frequency that Jesus Christ worked on and which is harmonious with the energy he taught us about. It is interacting with Almighty God on a one to one basis, as long as we follow Jesus Christ...but its up to you...it's too late in the day and too much damage done by evil to make any promises...but its our best option.
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By sin, death came into the world. Well I've yet to find anyone who dies from anything but a genetic dysfunction of the heart.
Nonsense. Death has always been there as the end of life. Do you think everything was immortal before humans evolved ? People die from all manner of things besides congenital heart disease. My sister died last year from a brain tumour, nothing to do with heart disease.
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By sin, death came into the world. Well I've yet to find anyone who dies from anything but a genetic dysfunction of the heart.
Read the Holy Bible again and see the wonderful attributes that Jesus promises the faithful, including everlasting life. You don't seem to accept that Jesus Christ knew all about spiritual matters and laid the blame of our health problems at our own door and those that manipulate our health by evil...or that we carry the sins of our fathers and our forefathers. It's time to realise that the Holy Bible is a serious book of facts and not a mythological, take it or leave it, book of intellectual contrivances.
If it is an electrical/spiritual universe and Almighty God and Jesus Christ say it is, then the cure of all our health problems can be deduced from the Holy Bible...and my experience of factory life in the mid-stream of evil machinations known politely as 'management' supports my reasoning up to the hilt.
Have you the guts to face a group of disabledChristiance with your rubbish;
yes or no.
It's not a hard question to answer.
Name the area in question and I'll happily set it up.
You surely can't be afraid of facing fellow believers, can you?
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You say you read the Holy Bible so why not let it work for you?
It's all about changing attitudes to a kinder more caring way of activity and, thereby, give our own genetic health a break. You might then just become close to reaching that emotional frequency that Jesus Christ worked on and which is harmonious with the energy he taught us about. It is interacting with Almighty God on a one to one basis, as long as we follow Jesus Christ...but its up to you...it's too late in the day and too much damage done by evil to make any promises...but its our best option.
You obviously haven't read the Bible. There is a lot in it which isn't kind or caring, especially the deeds attributed to god. As I have said so often, even when I was a Christian as a child begging god and Jesus to give me some sign they are there, I never had any indication it was so. It doesn't do their reputation much good, if they exist, but couldn't give some sign of their presence to a child who was in need of their support, does it?
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I faced a management who thought they had the right to drive their workforce by extreme hysterical tactics and I have based my findings upon what I learnt. I know that abuse of our emotional strength leads to genetic disorders and I make no apologies for that. I now follow the path that Almighty God lays before me not what Anchorman lays before me. By my Biblical study I know that evolution is guided by the electrical behaviour of the living cell and so it is a natural conclusion that by harnessing the highest electrical behaviour patterns achievable many genetic benefits can be harnessed. I saw it work in that factory and I know how it all collapsed when I left. You need to see Jesus Christ as a living, active force, not a sterile force, else you are lost too.
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I faced a management who thought they had the right to drive their workforce by extreme hysterical tactics and I have based my findings upon what I learnt. I know that abuse of our emotional strength leads to genetic disorders and I make no apologies for that. I now follow the path that Almighty God lays before me not what Anchorman lays before me. By my Biblical study I know that evolution is guided by the electrical behaviour of the living cell and so it is a natural conclusion that by harnessing the highest electrical behaviour patterns achievable many genetic benefits can be harnessed. I saw it work in that factory and I know how it all collapsed when I left. You need to see Jesus Christ as a living, active force, not a sterile force, else you are lost too.
Well;
Again, I challenge you to meet with my fellow disabled Christians and spout your nonsense.
Have you the guts to take up my challenge and meet with fellow believers?
Yes or no?
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I faced a management who thought they had the right to drive their workforce by extreme hysterical tactics and I have based my findings upon what I learnt. I know that abuse of our emotional strength leads to genetic disorders and I make no apologies for that. I now follow the path that Almighty God lays before me not what Anchorman lays before me. By my Biblical study I know that evolution is guided by the electrical behaviour of the living cell and so it is a natural conclusion that by harnessing the highest electrical behaviour patterns achievable many genetic benefits can be harnessed. I saw it work in that factory and I know how it all collapsed when I left. You need to see Jesus Christ as a living, active force, not a sterile force, else you are lost too.
Mostly incorrect.
Genetic disorders are inherited (the clue is in the word 'genetic').
Evolution is not guided, by anything, other than Natural Selection.
Just so's you know and don't make the same elementary mistakes again.
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You obviously haven't read the Bible. There is a lot in it which isn't kind or caring, especially the deeds attributed to god. As I have said so often, even when I was a Christian as a child begging god and Jesus to give me some sign they are there, I never had any indication it was so. It doesn't do their reputation much good, if they exist, but couldn't give some sign of their presence to a child who was in need of their support, does it?
The Holy Bible is in two parts. The early stage when God took ownership of a tribal people who were often at war and he guided them through those wars and more recently where God sent his son to build up a modern people who could take on his scientific knowledge and make it work, amidst all the evil fermenting in the background. It's all part of a plan whereby Almighty God and Jesus Christ will have the last word and that word will be that those faithful in righteousness can achieve the wonderful goal of being a universal people fit to have access to the universe in its entirety...simply by following the same science Jesus Christ introduced us to. If we pray to God, honestly and openly via the way Jesus taught us it cannot feel to deliver a measure of God's strength upon us and though we may not realise it...this strength can support us at times of great distress.
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I faced a management who thought they had the right to drive their workforce by extreme hysterical tactics and I have based my findings upon what I learnt.I know that abuse of our emotional strength leads to genetic disorders and I make no apologies for that. I now follow the path that Almighty God lays before me not what Anchorman lays before me. By my Biblical study I know that evolution is guided by the electrical behaviour of the living cell and so it is a natural conclusion that by harnessing the highest electrical behaviour patterns achievable many genetic benefits can be harnessed. I saw it work in that factory and I know how it all collapsed when I left. You need to see Jesus Christ as a living, active force, not a sterile force, else you are lost too.
You know nothing of the sort, you have made that up, there is NO evidence to support it.
If you preached this garbage at your factory, did they sack you, for being a upsetting the workforce, with your extreme hysterical tactics? I bet they all breathed a sigh of relief when they saw the back of you.
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Mostly incorrect.
Genetic disorders are inherited (the clue is in the word 'genetic').
Evolution is not guided, by anything, other than Natural Selection.
Just so's you know and don't make the same elementary mistakes again.
Clearly, by my reasoning you are in error. The stimulus of the living-cell is what is important. Where its nutrients come from? how it can capture more part-atoms? how it can express itself to enjoy the energy that it can generate? All these are captured in the simple statement that, reaching out for various needs alters the genetic code...and this is why I can say, without a shadow of a doubt, that reaching out for Jesus Christ influences our genetics in a good way, rather than in a way that only satisfies the conflicts of our environment.
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Clearly, by my reasoning you are in error. The stimulus of the living-cell is what is important. Where its nutrients come from? how it can capture more part-atoms? how it can express itself to enjoy the energy that it can generate? All these are captured in the simple statement that, reaching out for various needs alters the genetic code...and this is why I can say, without a shadow of a doubt, that reaching out for Jesus Christ influences our genetics in a good way, rather than in an way that only satisfies the conflicts of our environment.
The reasoning of everyone else states it is yours which is in error.
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The reasoning of everyone else states it is yours which is in error.
...and common sense. It especially tells us that he is mistaken.
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You know nothing of the sort, you have made that up, there is NO evidence to support it.
If you preached this garbage at your factory, did they sack you, for being a upsetting the workforce, with your extreme hysterical tactics? I bet they all breathed a sigh of relief when they saw the back of you.
Your charm in trying to undermine and ridicule everything I say is a problem you must face up to because it wont alter the science one iota. It is there in code-form within the Holy Bible for all to see...and I dare say that as the great tribulations bite many more will come to see things my way which is the righteous teaching of Jesus Christ...but for the moment they just gloss over his word and take it with a pinch of salt...where as it is all built upon the true and indisputable foundation-stones of Almighty God's 'word'.
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Your charm in trying to undermine and ridicule everything I say is a problem you must face up to because it wont alter the science one iota.
Common sense tells us that there is no science in your writings. None.
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Clearly, by my reasoning you are in error. The stimulus of the living-cell is what is important. Where its nutrients come from? how it can capture more part-atoms? how it can express itself to enjoy the energy that it can generate? All these are captured in the simple statement that, reaching out for various needs alters the genetic code...and this is why I can say, without a shadow of a doubt, that reaching out for Jesus Christ influences our genetics in a good way, rather than in a way that only satisfies the conflicts of our environment.
Your reasoning is nonsense, as is par for the course for you. We do not alter any nucleotide sequences by 'reaching out' for things. Mutations occur mostly through cell copying errors and not all all through behaviours or intentions. Cells don't capture part-atoms, they absorb nutrients across cell membranes. Genetic disorders are inherited and evolution is not guided.
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Your charm in trying to undermine and ridicule everything I say is a problem you must face up to because it wont alter the science one iota. It is there in code-form within the Holy Bible for all to see...and I dare say that as the great tribulations bite many more will come to see things my way which is the righteous teaching of Jesus Christ...but for the moment they just gloss over his word and take it with a pinch of salt...where as it is all built upon the true and indisputable foundation-stones of Almighty God's 'word'.
Everything you say is worthy of ridicule and scorn because it is garbage with no evidence to support it. I suggest you leave this forum if you don't like the reception your posts receive, and will continue to do so, if you carry on as you are doing.
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I call you out yety again, NM. Will you answer the following question, yes or no? Will you debate with a group of your fellow believers who have disabilities? Will you share your opinons with them/us face to face? Or will you hide behind a username ans spout trash which insults the cause of Christ? It's up to you. I can arrange it to suit your schedule.
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Your reasoning is nonsense, as is par for the course for you. We do not alter any nucleotide sequences by 'reaching out' for things. Mutations occur mostly through cell copying errors and not all all through behaviours or intentions. Cells don't capture part-atoms, they absorb nutrients across cell membranes. Genetic disorders are inherited and evolution is not guided.
You will have to explain how come all creatures are so wonderfully suited to their environments...it is because they obey electric laws first just as you do when your belly is empty...and here is an indisputable proof for you that since we are all now relying upon heavily processed foods our health is going out of the window. You see, heavily processed foods might look similar, taste similar, even, but they are far different from the nourishing foods of yesteryear when part-atoms abounded in them. You've got so much to learn.
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You will have to explain how come all creatures are so wonderfully suited to their environments...
Evolution by natural selection.
Happy to help.
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I call you out yety again, NM. Will you answer the following question, yes or no? Will you debate with a group of your fellow believers who have disabilities? Will you share your opinons with them/us face to face? Or will you hide behind a username ans spout trash which insults the cause of Christ? It's up to you. I can arrange it to suit your schedule.
I will reply with the same response as before...the evils of genetics are a process of change due to not understanding the electric/spiritual laws that control them. A cancer cell isn't a cancer cell until it has been denied a healthy flow of nervous/spiritual/electric strength over a long period of time and therefore demands this strength from other surrounding cells. Genetics thus weakened will and do genetically misfire and cause many problems. The best way to tackle this problem is via accurate Christian teaching whereby we harness our spiritual strength and retain sufficient energy for our replicating living cells to regain some of their genetic composure. By soothing and calming our genetics we are complying with the teaching of Jesus Christ. I have seen it work in a factory environment but it is for those who work in these health fields to put the science to the test and in so doing do themselves a big favour as well.
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Evolution by natural selection.
Happy to help.
Thanks for that Shaker...but you too are mistaken. It isn't that you are wrong it is that you have taken a secondary cause and called it the primary cause. The primary cause is the electrical part-atoms that are implanted at conception. This is why we get the runt of the litter when there aren't sufficient part-atoms left to finish the process...the same happens with humans and why so many weaker genetic humans are formed. But don't worry...it can be repaired...but it will mean living forever when we get it right.
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What are "part-atoms"?
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By my Biblical study I know that evolution is guided by the electrical behaviour of the living cell and so it is a natural conclusion that by harnessing the highest electrical behaviour patterns achievable many genetic benefits can be harnessed.
It would be interesting to know which specific passages in the Bible you studied that brought you to this knowledge. You have often been asked for references, but so far I've only known you to refer to some vague waffle about 'Dynamic energy' in the Book of Isaiah (a phrase which is of course a mistranslation, and found only - you've guessed it folks - in the New World Translation of the Jehovah's Witnesses).
By the way, what did the righteous man Job do wrong, and how was his health righted? Did God teach him to 'harness the highest electrical behaviour patterns achievable, in order to harness genetic benefits' - or was he simply cured?
(P.s. The story is in fact not at all about such things, but if you ask Anchorman in all humility, he will give you an explanation which will have the advantage of actually making sense.)
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You see, heavily processed foods might look similar, taste similar, even, but they are far different from the nourishing foods of yesteryear when part-atoms abounded in them. You've got so much to learn.
People never got ill and died in them thar days, did they?
But please (as requested) tell us what 'part-atoms' are. We're all agog.
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Thanks for that Shaker...but you too are mistaken. It isn't that you are wrong it is that you have taken a secondary cause and called it the primary cause. The primary cause is the electrical part-atoms that are implanted at conception. This is why we get the runt of the litter when there aren't sufficient part-atoms left to finish the process...the same happens with humans and why so many weaker genetic humans are formed. But don't worry...it can be repaired...but it will mean living forever when we get it right.
I suppose if you're happy in your small minded make believe little world? The only thing that bothers me about silly ideas like yours are inclined to be passed on to very young children by people such as yourself Nick as though they're facts.
Dreamers like you Nick wouldn't bother me at all you could have as mad as any idea you'd wish to have, if it wasn't for the teaching of your idiotic make believe lies to young and vulnerable small children.
Tell me Nick why do you think the bible serves as evidence for the things the bible refers to when this would be considered as potty even by the standards of your fellow posters on this forum, those that hold a religious belief of one kind or another?
Oh yes have you ever thought about writing a something like a post that could be considered to have come from a normal person? You should try that one Nick and make it soon.
Commiserations Nick, ippy.
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I will reply with the same response as before...the evils of genetics are a process of change due to not understanding the electric/spiritual laws that control them. A cancer cell isn't a cancer cell until it has been denied a healthy flow of nervous/spiritual/electric strength over a long period of time and therefore demands this strength from other surrounding cells. Genetics thus weakened will and do genetically misfire and cause many problems. The best way to tackle this problem is via accurate Christian teaching whereby we harness our spiritual strength and retain sufficient energy for our replicating living cells to regain some of their genetic composure. By soothing and calming our genetics we are complying with the teaching of Jesus Christ. I have seen it work in a factory environment but it is for those who work in these health fields to put the science to the test and in so doing do themselves a big favour as well.
Eatever tripr you are teaching, it is NOT - by any stretch of the imagination - Christian.
Nor is it scientific.
Nor, for that matter, is it any form of either.
Indeed, it insults those who try to defend out faith - and the fact that you have not the courage to stand before a group of Christians and defend your position says all we need to know about you, NM.
You're a busted flush.
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I suppose if you're happy in your small minded make believe little world? The only thing that bothers me about silly ideas like yours are inclined to be passed on to very young children by people such as yourself Nick as though they're facts.
Dreamers like you Nick wouldn't bother me at all you could have as mad as any idea you'd wish to have, if it wasn't for the teaching of your idiotic make believe lies to young and vulnerable small children.
Tell me Nick why do you think the bible serves as evidence for the things the bible refers to when this would be considered as potty even by the standards of your fellow posters on this forum, those that hold a religious belief of one kind or another?
Oh yes have you ever thought about writing a something like a post that could be considered to have come from a normal person? You should try that one Nick and make it soon.
Commiserations Nick, ippy.
One can only hope that no children or vulnerable people are in NM's orbit. I suspect they aren't otherwise he wouldn't spend so long serving up his drivel on R&E.
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One can only hope that no children or vulnerable people are in NM's orbit. I suspect they aren't otherwise he wouldn't spend so long serving up his drivel on R&E.
Yes L R, teaching this nonsense to the young, is the thing that really makes me angry, if they didn't insist on spreading their rubbish to the very young, I would find religious people that much easier to live with as though they were more a part of the general community instead of a potty bunch of offshoots.
The bit the religious believers try to not to understand is about this view is the specific age group I'm referring to, I mean those children the very young up to seven years of age where on average after those years they acquire the ability to challenge before that age they, religious believers, start with the usual, oh it's only a nativity story etc etc as though it's so small a matter which if that were all, it would be, along with the St something or other school name with a whacking great cross nailed on to the outside of the school a daily act of worship mainly christian in character and on and on.
It does get to me from time to time when you see how they keep on with these incremental intros to their dogmas, this can be so disheartening when I'm an observer and am obliged by social pressures to just remain a silent bystander, these standardised methods they use are so subtly devious and underhand.
Oh yes, by the way there's not very much about religion I like and how those that are in it behave, just in case you hadn't noticed.
Regards ippy.
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One can only hope that no children or vulnerable people are in NM's orbit. I suspect they aren't otherwise he wouldn't spend so long serving up his drivel on R&E.
"A fool's voice is known by multitude of words."
(Ecc. 5:3).
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NM may be bonkers, but he is unfailingly polite to everybody. Others could do with following his example.
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I will reply with the same response as before...the evils of genetics are a process of change due to not understanding the electric/spiritual laws that control them. A cancer cell isn't a cancer cell until it has been denied a healthy flow of nervous/spiritual/electric strength over a long period of time and therefore demands this strength from other surrounding cells. Genetics thus weakened will and do genetically misfire and cause many problems. The best way to tackle this problem is via accurate Christian teaching whereby we harness our spiritual strength and retain sufficient energy for our replicating living cells to regain some of their genetic composure. By soothing and calming our genetics we are complying with the teaching of Jesus Christ. I have seen it work in a factory environment but it is for those who work in these health fields to put the science to the test and in so doing do themselves a big favour as well.
Irresponsible nonsense. I don't believe you succeeded in reducing cancer rates in a factory environment by converting the workers to christianity as you seem to be insinuating.
Cancers don't grow because cells have been denied 'electric' strength. If cells are denied nutrition then they die. Cancers arise due to the build up of mutations that disrupt the processes of replication. You cannot soothe genetics, it makes no sense. What you can do is try to live a healthy lifestyle eq avoid unnecessary exposure to toxins which could lead to cell mutations.
It can be the case be that healthy lifestyles can go hand in hand with religious practice; Mormons spring to mind, I believe there are studies concluding that practicing mormons suffer lower cancer rates than the general population, so would the lesson be - convert to Mormonism in order to reduce your risk of cancer ?
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NM may be bonkers, but he is unfailingly polite to everybody. Others could do with following his example.
There is nothing polite about misrepresenting other people's views as is his general modus operandi. It is disingenuous arrogance.
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NM may be bonkers, but he is unfailingly polite to everybody. Others could do with following his example.
I take it you are talking about yourself, as you often seem to have forgotten the meaning of the word, 'polite'.
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It doesn't matter how much you buck and holler...you can't escape the single truth about Jesus Christ, that be lived and died and was resurrected and as everything has a science attached to it, then science was involved here. Not the normal, everyday science but a science that starts with the single premise that all the mass in the universe is the reconfiguration of a single, invisible, superabundant, dynamic energy. I have told you how it was reconfigured into mass. It is the result of huge dense clouds of this stuff being sent hurtling out into space at high-speed and that any hole in such a spiralling cloud creates gravity, the higgs, and the imploding force of part-atoms so that all science uncovered today has a structure and that the author of the Holy Bible introduces it to us and literally owns that science so that every point made known through the Holy Bible is true, honest, upbuilding, and full of promise. Righteousness is God's science...his word...made flesh by Jesus Christ...and it occurs to me that when you get to the root of all science you have an insight into all sciences...That isn't my fault, that is the fault of Almighty God and his science. If you can't understand then perhaps it's best just to repent and follow Jesus Christ accurately...because our own indestructible, spiritual nature obeys God's science whether we like it or not.
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It doesn't matter how much you buck and holler...you can't escape the single truth about Jesus Christ, that be lived and died and was resurrected and as everything has a science attached to it, then science was involved here. Not the normal, everyday science but a science that starts with the single premise that all the mass in the universe is the reconfiguration of a single, invisible, superabundant, dynamic energy. I have told you how it was reconfigured into mass. It is the result of huge dense clouds of this stuff being sent hurtling out into space at high-speed and thet any hole in such a spiralling cloud creates gravity, the higgs, and the imploding force of part-atoms so that all science uncovered today has a structure and that the author of the Holy Bible introduces it to us and literally owns that science so that every point made known throughthe Holy Bible is true, honest, upbuilding, and full of promise. Righteousness is God's science...his word...made flesh by Jesus Christ...and it occurs to me that when you get to the root of all science you have an insight into all sciences...That isn't my fault, that is the fault of Almighty God and his science. If you can't understand then perhaps It's best just to repent and follow Jesus Christ accurately...because our own indestructible, spiritual nature obeys God's science whether we like it or not.
Jesus probably existed and therefore lived and died, however there is no evidence he came back from the dead, so that is not a 'truth. There is nothing, which resembles science in the Bible, you are convincing no one with your daft spurious claims.
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It doesn't matter how much you buck and holler...you can't escape the single truth about Jesus Christ, that be lived and died and was resurrected...
I count three truth claims there and not just one: that Jesus lived is probably true, that he died would be certainly true if we accept he did live, but that he was resurrected is an anecdotal claim that would at the very least require the risks of human artifice to be excluded: have you done this yet?
...and as everything has a science attached to it, then science was involved here. Not the normal, everyday science but a science that starts with the single premise that all the mass in the universe is the reconfiguration of a single, invisible, superabundant, dynamic energy. I have told you how it was reconfigured into mass. It is the result of huge dense clouds of this stuff being sent hurtling out into space at high-speed and that any hole in such a spiralling cloud creates gravity, the higgs, and the imploding force of part-atoms so that all science uncovered today has a structure and that the author of the Holy Bible introduces it to us and literally owns that science so that every point made known through the Holy Bible is true, honest, upbuilding, and full of promise. Righteousness is God's science...his word...made flesh by Jesus Christ...and it occurs to me that when you get to the root of all science you have an insight into all sciences...That isn't my fault, that is the fault of Almighty God and his science. If you can't understand then perhaps it's best just to repent and follow Jesus Christ accurately...because our own indestructible, spiritual nature obeys God's science whether we like it or not.
None of which is 'science' as most reasonable people understanding the term.
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Jesus probably existed and therefore lived and died, however there is no evidence he came back from the dead, so that is not a 'truth. There is nothing, which resembles science in the Bible, you are convincing no one with your daft spurious claims.
Nothing I will say will convince you that the Holy Bible is a book of science written by a very advanced author who has your best interests at heart...but you aren't the only person in this world. Many, usually at dire times, turn to him for help. Times when the selfish, the greedy and the spiteful are whooping and laughing in the faces of all that distress...well...it is wise for us all to know that Almighty God is watching and waiting for the time when all issues of injustice, unfairness,, and evil are swept away in one fell swoop, in the twinkling of an eye. He tells us how it will happen, the signs to look for before it does, and how best to protect ourselves. In an all electric/spiritual universe I prefer to believe the highest authority in that universe rather than those who just keep saying to me...'I'm alright Jack'...because nothing could be further from the truth.
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Nothing I will say will convince you that the Holy Bible is a book of science written by a very advanced author who has your best interests at heart...but you aren't the only person in this world. Many, usually at dire times, turn to him for help.
Other options for help and support are available.
Times when the selfish, the greedy and the spiteful are whooping and laughing in the faces of all that distress...well...it is wise for us all to know that Almighty God is watching and waiting for the time when all issues of injustice, unfairness,, and evil are swept away in one fell swoop, in the twinkling of an eye. He tells us how it will happen, the signs to look for before it does, and how best to protect ourselves. In an all electric/spiritual universe I prefer to believe the highest authority in that universe rather than those who just keep saying to me...'I'm alright Jack'...because nothing could be further from the truth.
The above is no more than rambling hyperbole.
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I count three truth claims there and not just one: that Jesus lived is probably true, that he died would be certainly true if we accept he did live, but that he was resurrected is an anecdotal claim that would at the very least require the risks of human artifice to be excluded: have you done this yet?
None of which is 'science' as most reasonable people understanding the term.
By your own standards there is no need to believe what you are saying above what I am saying. But those who know righteousness know there is something very deep, very special and wonderful in Jesus Christ's teaching which defies our understanding...and here it is...that behind Jesus Christ's teaching is a wonderful science. You can all deny that science as much as you want but that doesn't stop that science ticking away in the background nor does it stop the forthcoming events which are happening now in their milder form. My science, which, of course, is in truth God's science is built on top of all the investigation and calculations of modern science and only varies by the fact that it gives total authority to Almighty God and his son, Jesus Christ. It's called righteousness and every Bible student knows that Almighty God will not deviate from righteousness.
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By your own standards there is no need to believe what you are saying above what I am saying.
I've no idea what point you are trying to make here.
But those who know righteousness know there is something very deep, very special and wonderful in Jesus Christ's teaching which defies our understanding...and here it is...that behind Jesus Christ's teaching is a wonderful science.
That may be their personal faith-based belief - but they could be wrong: right?
You can all deny that science as much as you want but that doesn't stop that science ticking away in the background nor does it stop the forthcoming events which are happening now in their milder form. My science, which, of course, is in truth God's science is built on top of all the investigation and calculations of modern science and only varies by the fact that it gives total authority to Almighty God and his son, Jesus Christ. It's called righteousness and every Bible student knows that Almighty God will not deviate from righteousness.
I'm not denying science, Nick, since what you are peddling here ain't science and you ain't a scientist (even though you declare yourself to be one).
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Nothing I will say will convince you that the Holy Bible is a book of science written by a very advanced author who has your best interests at heart...but you aren't the only person in this world. Many, usually at dire times, turn to him for help. Times when the selfish, the greedy and the spiteful are whooping and laughing in the faces of all that distress...well...it is wise for us all to know that Almighty God is watching and waiting for the time when all issues of injustice, unfairness,, and evil are swept away in one fell swoop, in the twinkling of an eye. He tells us how it will happen, the signs to look for before it does, and how best to protect ourselves. In an all electric/spiritual universe I prefer to believe the highest authority in that universe rather than those who just keep saying to me...'I'm alright Jack'...because nothing could be further from the truth.
No you are not going to convince me or most others that the Bible is a book of science, or that much of it has any credibility. You are entitled to believe your imaginative view of that book is true. However what you are not entitled to do is threaten people with consequences if they don't see it your unique way.
Have you ever managed to persuade anyone in real life that your claims are true, or do you save them for the delectation and delight of posters on R&E?
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I've no idea what point your are trying to make here.
That may be their personal faith-based belief - but they could be wrong: right?
I'm not denying science, Nick, since what you are peddling here ain't science and you ain't a scientist (even though you declare yourself to be one).
If you had discovered something so profound which impacted upon everyones lives, in a good way, I would say you were a scientist. None of you offer anything constructive but I'll try again because it is your health and welfare that is at stake.
If you went to a well supported pop concert or football match, carnival, or venue that draws crowds many will say the air was electric...you can't see it, it makes no sense except scientifically but it is there. It is an invisible energy source that is the product of the mass excitement of the crowd. It is in fact the mass energy produced by the individual cells replicating within us. Now, as a scientist, I am saying that to become void of this energyy can be very dangerous to us and I can quote various accounts where this is proven to be true especially where bullying is concerned. Like it or lump it the main roots of this science are contained within Jesus Christ's teaching and if we have found the force that controls our genetic health we are on to something big, indeed...and it is all supported by the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.
I'm just scratching the surface...but that doesn't matter because of forthcoming events which will determine who is righteous and who isn't. The righteous want to live according to the rules whereby this energy source is respected and given the Holy status it deserves.
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Nothing I will say will convince you that the Holy Bible is a book of science written by a very advanced author who has your best interests at heart....
Well, no, that would clearly be a misunderstanding. Unlike the Qur'an, for example, the Bible is not a book of single authorship, it is a collection of ancient writings by dozens of different authors writing at different times in different countries. Jesus did not author any of these books. There may be many themes running through, these are the themes of the beliefs of the Hebrews of the late Bronze Age and its derivatives in Iron Age Roman Judea. There is no science to speak of in these writings, and it is abundantly clear that authors were men of their time with an understanding of their times, which we have long since moved on from. I think it an interesting window on an ancient culture, but as a guide to science, it is a complete zero. These people, after all, still believed in a flat earth and a geocentric cosmology, all of which we know now to be wrong.
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Nick, you've never managed to establish this bible of yours is anything more than a work of fiction, especially the magical, mystical and superstition based parts of this bible of yours.
We know you believe it is a book of facts, but you have never been able to do anything more than assert it is a book of factual happenings, not prove the bible is a book of factual happenings.
O K Nick so where is your proof that the bible is a book of factual happenings?
Don't forget the bible doesn't prove the bible and how daft it would be to say or write as much.
Regards ippy.
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Well, no, that would clearly be a misunderstanding. Unlike the Qur'an, for example, the Bible is not a book of single authorship, it is a collection of ancient writings by dozens of different authors writing at different times in different countries. Jesus did not author any of these books. There may be many themes running through, these are the themes of the beliefs of the Hebrews of the late Bronze Age and its derivatives in Iron Age Roman Judea. There is no science to speak of in these writings, and it is abundantly clear that authors were men of their time with an understanding of their times, which we have long since moved on from. I think it an interesting window on an ancient culture, but as a guide to science, it is a complete zero. These people, after all, still believed in a flat earth and a geocentric cosmology, all of which we know now to be wrong.
You may not have noticed but the Holy Bible is the record of Almighty God talking to his prophets over a very long and sustained period...but you have to read it to know this.
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You may not have noticed but the Holy Bible is the record of Almighty God talking to his prophets over a very long and sustained period...but you have to read it to know this.
It is a record of the human authors imagining what their version of god was thinking, you cannot prove otherwise.
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You may not have noticed but the Holy Bible is the record of Almighty God talking to his prophets over a very long and sustained period...but you have to read it to know this.
I've read quite a lot of it and I know it to be the record of fallible human beings.
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Nick, you've never managed to establish this bible of yours is anything more than a work of fiction, especially the magical, mystical and superstition based parts of this bible of yours.
We know you believe it is a book of facts, but you have never been able to do anything more than assert it is a book of factual happenings, not prove the bible is a book of factual happenings.
O K Nick so where is your proof that the bible is a book of factual happenings?
Don't forget the bible doesn't prove the bible and how daft it would be to say or write as much.
Regards ippy.
The statement that the Holy Bible doesn't prove the truth, value or existence of it's contents is a barrier drawn up by those who refuse to accept it. In fact it is based upon a science that pulls many people together, first and foremost. It is the same science that brings all groups together...another branch of the same science and many people adhere to the mechanics of this science by manufacturing pop stars and sportsmen to magnify their images so don't say the science doesn't work. Throughout the generations many people, in their millions have tried to follow the teaching of the Holy Bible which means it's teaching repeats and repeats, over and over again, which is also an attribute of a valuable science...but it's prophesies take the biscuit. Do you know that Biblically the Jews were spread throughout the world with the clear understanding that they would be brought back to their homelands...This is just one of the signs of our times...the last days...but there are many more prophesied signs in existence today so expect God's Judgement soon.
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The statement that the Holy Bible doesn't prove the truth, value or existence of it's contents is a barrier drawn up by those who refuse to accept it. In fact it is based upon a science that pulls many people together, first and foremost. It is the same science that brings all groups together...another branch of the same science and many people adhere to the mechanics of this science by manufacturing pop stars and sportsmen to magnify their images so don't say the science doesn't work. Throughout the generations many people, in their millions have tried to follow the teaching of the Holy Bible which means it's teaching repeats and repeats, over and over again, which is also an attribute of a valuable science...but it's prophesies take the biscuit. Do you know that Biblically the Jews were spread throughout the world with the clear understanding that they would be brought back to their homelands...This is just one of the signs of our times...the last days...but there are many more prophesied signs in existence today so expect God's Judgement soon.
YAWN, change the record NM, you are boring everyone with your nonsense, which you can't substantiate.
Why don't you post on the other boards, favour us with your views on topics not related to religion?
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Why don't you post on the other boards, favour us with your views on topics not related to religion?
I'd be astonished if he had any.
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I'd be astonished if he had any.
So would I, NM's mind appears to be totally consumed by his idea of science, which isn't science, and the Bible.
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The statement that the Holy Bible doesn't prove the truth, value or existence of it's contents is a barrier drawn up by those who refuse to accept it. In fact it is based upon a science that pulls many people together, first and foremost. It is the same science that brings all groups together...another branch of the same science and many people adhere to the mechanics of this science by manufacturing pop stars and sportsmen to magnify their images so don't say the science doesn't work. Throughout the generations many people, in their millions have tried to follow the teaching of the Holy Bible which means it's teaching repeats and repeats, over and over again, which is also an attribute of a valuable science...but it's prophesies take the biscuit. Do you know that Biblically the Jews were spread throughout the world with the clear understanding that they would be brought back to their homelands...This is just one of the signs of our times...the last days...but there are many more prophesied signs in existence today so expect God's Judgement soon.
You're saying the bible proves the bible again Nick, that is so daft you'll have to do far better than that and have you noticed nobody else has managed to prove the bible is anything else but a man made book of fictional stories, you make yourself sound as daft as a brush every time you do this.
About the only thing the bible has in it that might be true is that there was a figure called Jesus around in those times and even then that's only a probability.
If a book is a fiction it wouldn't matter how many people thought it wasn't fictional, it'd still be fiction.
Why do you write such a load of old tosh when all you need to do is reply to people in everyday speech and without sounding as though you're standing behind a lectern shouting your head off.
Regards ippy
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You're saying the bible proves the bible again Nick, that is so daft you'll have to do far better than that and have you noticed nobody else has managed to prove the bible is anything else but a man made book of fictional stories, you make yourself sound as daft as a brush every time you do this.
About the only thing the bible has in it that might be true is that there was a figure called Jesus around in those times and even then that's only a probability.
If a book is a fiction it wouldn't matter how many people thought it wasn't fictional, it'd still be fiction.
Why do you write such a load of old tosh when all you need to do is reply to people in everyday speech and without sounding as though you're standing behind a lectern shouting your head off.
Regards ippy
I don't have to show you any better than the Jews living in their homelands just as the Holy Bible said they would thousands of years beforehand.
What is important here...and i've seen it up close and personal is that anyone who is being bullied must realise that it is your emotional strength that is the target. Every hostile and unwarranted remark will be made against you just to get you to bleed that emotional strength so that you become defenceless and unable to put up a strong defense for yourself. It isn't nice and it isn't new, in fact it is the same behaviour the living cell is subjected to when its emotional strength is stifled and our genetic health stifled as well...so following Jesus accurately is your best response. I have put it to the test and value Jesus Christ to the highest degree but those who say they don't want Jesus's righteous teaching are the most likely to need his help the most.
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I don't have to show you any better than the Jews living in their homelands just as the Holy Bible said they would thousands of years beforehand.
So, do you think that is going well?
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What is a "part atom"?.
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I don't have to show you any better than the Jews living in their homelands just as the Holy Bible said they would thousands of years beforehand.
What is important here...and i've seen it up close and personal is that anyone who is being bullied must realise that it is your emotional strength that is the target. Every hostile and unwarranted remark will be made against you just to get you to bleed that emotional strength so that you become defenceless and unable to put up a strong defense for yourself. It isn't nice and it isn't new, in fact it is the same behaviour the living cell is subjected to when its emotional strength is stifled and our genetic health stifled as well...so following Jesus accurately is your best response. I have put it to the test and value Jesus Christ to the highest degree but those who say they don't want Jesus's righteous teaching are the most likely to need his help the most.
You are the one who is likely to be cracked down upon if there is a god, as you are distorting what is actually in the Bible to comply with your fanciful idea of science. GIVE UP NM, you claim you value Jesus, but all you are doing is making him look daft.
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It doesn't matter how much you buck and holler...you can't escape the single truth about Jesus Christ, that be lived and died and was resurrected and as everything has a science attached to it, then science was involved here. Not the normal, everyday science but a science that starts with the single premise that all the mass in the universe is the reconfiguration of a single, invisible, superabundant, dynamic energy. I have told you how it was reconfigured into mass. It is the result of huge dense clouds of this stuff being sent hurtling out into space at high-speed and that any hole in such a spiralling cloud creates gravity, the higgs, and the imploding force of part-atoms so that all science uncovered today has a structure and that the author of the Holy Bible introduces it to us and literally owns that science so that every point made known through the Holy Bible is true, honest, upbuilding, and full of promise. Righteousness is God's science...his word...made flesh by Jesus Christ...and it occurs to me that when you get to the root of all science you have an insight into all sciences...That isn't my fault, that is the fault of Almighty God and his science. If you can't understand then perhaps it's best just to repent and follow Jesus Christ accurately...because our own indestructible, spiritual nature obeys God's science whether we like it or not.
it doesn't matter how much yoy holler, NM; with whom did you worship today?
With which part of the Body did yoyu fellowship - as per the accurate teachings of Jesus?
Oh....you mean you only follow your misinterpretation of your idea of what you think the 'accurate teachings are?
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The statement that the Holy Bible doesn't prove the truth, value or existence of it's contents is a barrier drawn up by those who refuse to accept it. In fact it is based upon a science that pulls many people together, first and foremost. It is the same science that brings all groups together...another branch of the same science and many people adhere to the mechanics of this science by manufacturing pop stars and sportsmen to magnify their images so don't say the science doesn't work. Throughout the generations many people, in their millions have tried to follow the teaching of the Holy Bible which means it's teaching repeats and repeats, over and over again, which is also an attribute of a valuable science...but it's prophesies take the biscuit. Do you know that Biblically the Jews were spread throughout the world with the clear understanding that they would be brought back to their homelands...This is just one of the signs of our times...the last days...but there are many more prophesied signs in existence today so expect God's Judgement soon.
No. The statemernt that "the Bible does not prove the Bible"
Is basic theology 101.
The Bible is nor meant to prove itself, NM; that is not its' purpose.
Real science - not the trash of your imagination - can substantiate certain events; real scholars can, by anaylisis, seduce the historicity or otherwise of Scripture. Real linguistic experts (as opposed to the liars who created the NWT) can translate the ancient MSS into modern languages.
AWll make Scripture easy to access.
Faith makes it easy to follow.
But no theologian with an ounce of integrety will tell you that the Bible proves the Bible.
It does not.
It is not supposed to.
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I don't have to show you any better than the Jews living in their homelands just as the Holy Bible said they would thousands of years beforehand.
What is important here...and i've seen it up close and personal is that anyone who is being bullied must realise that it is your emotional strength that is the target. Every hostile and unwarranted remark will be made against you just to get you to bleed that emotional strength so that you become defenceless and unable to put up a strong defense for yourself. It isn't nice and it isn't new, in fact it is the same behaviour the living cell is subjected to when its emotional strength is stifled and our genetic health stifled as well...so following Jesus accurately is your best response. I have put it to the test and value Jesus Christ to the highest degree but those who say they don't want Jesus's righteous teaching are the most likely to need his help the most.
Although you've written this lot about something that's important to you, have you ever considered others that see no importance whatsoever in any of your ramblings on about religion, I manage to get on well with my neighbours, have several close friends, my wife loves her gospel singing even though a non-religious person like myself, my friends and family are not interested in religion it takes no part in their lives my sons are not religious believers this doesn't affect their lives in any way there's no reason something like viable evidence that would make any of us want to take up a belief in religion.
Since there's no pressing evidence to support the bronze age nonsense idea of salvation why would any of us be interested in anything like that.
It looks to me that this Jesus bloke was probably someone like our dear old Nelson Mandela and as such his memory deserves recognition for his good works, a very good man nothing magical or mystical about him, more than likely ditto Jesus.
Regards ippy
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viable evidence that would make any of us want to take up a belief in religion.
Then look no further ...........https://tinyurl.com/yb6fyfj8
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Then look no further ...........https://tinyurl.com/yb6fyfj8
Which belief would you recommend ekim? I can hardly wait for your answer.
Regards ippy
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What I have established to my own satisfaction, is that no one is prepared to listen to a wonderful science that has Biblical authority stamped all over it, even though all the signs are brewing up around us that Revelation is coming together in a horrible and destructive way. Which means that only the righteous, the innocent, those who have a history of following law and order in a responsible and caring fashion and perhaps a few others will make it through the Biblical, great tribulations, plus many who will be resurrected who are currently, spiritually locked in the ether, but who will respond at the right time to the righteous laws of Jesus Christ, in the right way. Disappointing but time is against us. My latest project is an accumulation of all the sciences i've mentioned here and it is time to concentrate on that project rather than trying to win the confidence and friendship of those who refuse to be saved...you have had your chance.
Any science that has great power comes at a high price, but mine is free, to all those who will be saved, but I am prepared to wait until after that final moment, that twinkling of an eye, and by then, I trust, my latest project will be complete.
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Fuck me sideways! Is this tiresome thread still going?
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What I have established to my own satisfaction...
Then perhaps you are too easily satisfied.
...is that no one is prepared to listen to a wonderful science that has Biblical authority stamped all over it, even though all the signs are brewing up around us that Revelation is coming together in a horrible and destructive way. Which means that only the righteous, the innocent, those who have a history of following law and order in a responsible and caring fashion and perhaps a few others will make it through the Biblical, great tribulations, plus many who will be resurrected who are currently, spiritually locked in the ether, but who will respond at the right time to the righteous laws of Jesus Christ, in the right way. Disappointing but time is against us. My latest project is an accumulation of all the sciences i've mentioned here and it is time to concentrate on that project rather than trying to win the confidence and friendship of those who refuse to be saved...you have had your chance.
Two obvious fallacies here, Nick: first your fallacious argument from authority, since the Bible isn't authoritative on matters of science, and then there is your fallacious argument from ignorance - your ignorance.
Any science that has great power comes at a high price, but mine is free, to all those who will be saved, but I am prepared to wait until after that final moment, that twinkling of an eye, and by then, I trust, my latest project will be complete.
Nice to see you so gleefully anticipating Armageddon, Nick: perhaps you are God in disguise.
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What I have established to my own satisfaction, is that no one is prepared to listen to a wonderful science that has Biblical authority stamped all over it, even though all the signs are brewing up around us that Revelation is coming together in a horrible and destructive way. Which means that only the righteous, the innocent, those who have a history of following law and order in a responsible and caring fashion and perhaps a few others will make it through the Biblical, great tribulations, plus many who will be resurrected who are currently, spiritually locked in the ether, but who will respond at the right time to the righteous laws of Jesus Christ, in the right way. Disappointing but time is against us. My latest project is an accumulation of all the sciences i've mentioned here and it is time to concentrate on that project rather than trying to win the confidence and friendship of those who refuse to be saved...you have had your chance.
Any science that has great power comes at a high price, but mine is free, to all those who will be saved, but I am prepared to wait until after that final moment, that twinkling of an eye, and by then, I trust, my latest project will be complete.
You haven't demonstrated any understanding, even of the word, 'science' as yet. You've got lots to learn still.
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Seb asked...what is a part-atom? Well, as a parting gift, I have decided to tell you...
To explain the replicating process of living cells I devised two invisible electric forces. The same imploding forces that all atoms contain at their core...the higgs-field. They are mass-less at birth and would have become fully functioning hydrogen atoms if they hadn't been snarched from the furnace of their birth by erupting heavier atoms being spewed out of our sun during an early solar maximum. Trillions upon trillions of them were snatched out of the star and came to planet Earth at the time of its inception as part of the accretion force that formed the planet. Because of their imploding forces they became attached to their hydrogen relatives and went everywhere they went revolving around in the land sea and air until they began producing life. This was achieved by them invisibly coming together in pairs and performing as they have to to produce living cells. They are part of the repair process of our health and they are wasted profusely in our promiscuity.
It is important to note that the entire book of evolution is written around our need to entrap these part-atoms for our own health and welfare, bringing them into our own construction and that this principle isn't lost on the author of the Holy Bible.
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Seb asked...what is a part-atom? Well, as a parting gift, I have decided to tell you...
To explain the replicating process of living cells I devised two invisible electric forces. The same imploding forces that all atoms contain at their core...the higgs-field. They are mass-less at birth and would have become fully functioning hydrogen atoms if they hadn't been snarched from the furnace of their birth by erupting heavier atoms being spewed out of our sun during an early solar maximum. Trillions upon trillions of them were snatched out of the star and came to planet Earth at the time of its inception as part of the accretion force that formed the planet. Because of their imploding forces they became attached to their hydrogen relatives and went everywhere they went revolving around in the land sea and air until they began producing life. This was achieved by them invisibly coming together in pairs and performing as they have to to produce living cells. They are part of the repair process of our health and they are wasted profusely iin our promiscuity.
Parting gift, are you removing yourself from R&E? In which case our memory of you will be your incredibly overactive imagination, as displayed by your last post,
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You may not have noticed but the Holy Bible is the record of Almighty God talking to his prophets over a very long and sustained period...but you have to read it to know this.
Would you trust someone who claimed to be hearing voices ?
Really ?
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Seb asked...what is a part-atom? Well, as a parting gift, I have decided to tell you...
Not sure that lovely fairy tale actually describes a "part atom" Nick.
Could you describe it and only it, without the surrounding fluff?
You know, liike a real, actual, honest scientist would.
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Not sure that lovely fairy tale actually describes a "part atom" Nick.
Could you describe it and only it, without the surrounding fluff?
You know, liike a real, actual, honest scientist would.
Good luck.
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Not sure that lovely fairy tale actually describes a "part atom" Nick.
Could you describe it and only it, without the surrounding fluff?
You know, liike a real, actual, honest scientist would.
No more than this...That it explains all the phases scientifically noted of the living-cell...but which scientists have missed. That it fits in beautifully with the science that everything in the universe is restructured dynamic energy which created stars and atoms, and the authority that guided me into these conclusions did so by writing the core principles into the Holy Bible and particularly within the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.
You know what is really bizarre...that here is a virgin science that explains so much and those that need it most can ridicule and debunk it without a second glance...no wonder that Almighty God and Jesus Christ will give up on you...because they won't bend their righteous laws and the righteous depend upon this fact...not just on this planet but wherever the hand of God can be found.
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No more than this...That it explains all the phases scientifically noted of the living-cell...but which scientists have missed. That it fits in beautifully with the science that everything in the universe is restructured dynamic energy which created stars and atoms, and the authority that guided me into these conclusions did so by writing the core principles into the Holy Bible and particularly within the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.
You know what is really bizarre...that here is a virgin science that explains so much and those that need it most can ridicule and debunk it without a second glance...no wonder that Almighty God and Jesus Christ will give up on you...because they won't bend their righteous laws and the righteous depend upon this fact...not just on this planet but wherever the hand of God can be found.
Not only is this appalling science, it is appalling theology as well.
Where does Christ say He will give up on anyone, NM?
Surely the whole point of the Gospel is to show that, through Christ - God Incarnate - we have absolute, complete assurance of salvation and eternal life...if WE choose to accept it?
We may give up on God; God will NOT give up on us.
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No more than this...That it explains all the phases scientifically noted of the living-cell...but which scientists have missed. That it fits in beautifully with the science that everything in the universe is restructured dynamic energy which created stars and atoms, and the authority that guided me into these conclusions did so by writing the core principles into the Holy Bible and particularly within the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.
You know what is really bizarre...that here is a virgin science that explains so much and those that need it most can ridicule and debunk it without a second glance...no wonder that Almighty God and Jesus Christ will give up on you...because they won't bend their righteous laws and the righteous depend upon this fact...not just on this planet but wherever the hand of God can be found.
The thing is Nick no one is trying to debunk anything you're presenting here on this thread, all we're trying to tell you is the stuff you keep on putting forward doesn't make any sense, these senseless utterances of yours debunk themselves without any help from others.
That's the trouble with successful indoctrination those involved are unable to appreciate just how indoctrinated they are.
I'll bet you can't make a reply to anyone on this thread without your reply sounding like a sermon, it really is that bad Nick.
Regards ippy.
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Seb asked...what is a part-atom? Well, as a parting gift, I have decided to tell you...
To explain the replicating process of living cells I devised two invisible electric forces. The same imploding forces that all atoms contain at their core...the higgs-field. They are mass-less at birth and would have become fully functioning hydrogen atoms if they hadn't been snarched from the furnace of their birth by erupting heavier atoms being spewed out of our sun during an early solar maximum. Trillions upon trillions of them were snatched out of the star and came to planet Earth at the time of its inception as part of the accretion force that formed the planet. Because of their imploding forces they became attached to their hydrogen relatives and went everywhere they went revolving around in the land sea and air until they began producing life. This was achieved by them invisibly coming together in pairs and performing as they have to to produce living cells. They are part of the repair process of our health and they are wasted profusely in our promiscuity.
It is important to note that the entire book of evolution is written around our need to entrap these part-atoms for our own health and welfare, bringing them into our own construction and that this principle isn't lost on the author of the Holy Bible.
I'm sure Ernest Rutherford must be spinning in his grave: if only he had your insights back in the day, Nick, instead of just doing common or garden science. Although he made significant contributions in 'splitting the atom' etc without recourse to righteousness one wonders what else he might have achieved had he been able to tap into 'your science' of righteousness.
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The thing is Nick no one is trying to debunk anything you're presenting here on this thread, all we're trying to tell you is the stuff you keep on putting forward doesn't make any sense, these senseless utterances of yours debunk themselves without any help from others.
That's the trouble with successful indoctrination those involved are unable to appreciate just how indoctrinated they are.
I'll bet you can't make a reply to anyone on this thread without your reply sounding like a sermon, it really is that bad Nick.
Regards ippy.
Oy!
Do you mind?
If I preached in the style demonstratd by NM, I'd still be picking hymnals stuffed by irate congregation members up various orifaces!
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No more than this...That it explains all the phases scientifically noted of the living-cell...but which scientists have missed. That it fits in beautifully with the science that everything in the universe is restructured dynamic energy which created stars and atoms, and the authority that guided me into these conclusions did so by writing the core principles into the Holy Bible and particularly within the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.
You know what is really bizarre...that here is a virgin science that explains so much and those that need it most can ridicule and debunk it without a second glance...no wonder that Almighty God and Jesus Christ will give up on you...because they won't bend their righteous laws and the righteous depend upon this fact...not just on this planet but wherever the hand of God can be found.
I'm not sure you understood me Nick!
I asked for a description if a "part atom", without the fluff because the fluff is what a non-scientist would use to try to hide the fact that he doesnt know what he is talking about, scientifically.
What you gave me Nick, was fluff and only fluff.
Now this is disappointing because I wa really intersested to know what a "part atom" is.
Now all you are showing us is that you are not really a scientist because a real scientist would have done the honourable thing and given a scientific description.
Common sense therefore concludes, quite unequivocally, that you are not a scientist but that you are a fraud.
Not even a "part fraud" but a full blown one.
I wonder what Jesus would have said about frauds like you?
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Oy!
Do you mind?
If I preached in the style demonstratd by NM, I'd still be picking hymnals stuffed by irate congregation members up various orifaces!
Sorry Anchor, but I thought all sermons are terminally boring, the next best thing to a cricket/golf commentary on the radizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz____________
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My latest project is an accumulation of all the sciences i've mentioned here and it is time to concentrate on that project rather than trying to win the confidence and friendship of those who refuse to be saved...you have had your chance.
Well, good luck with that, Nick. I'm sure the world waits with baited breath. Maybe though, you should start learning something real about just one science - or even make a fresh start by learning exactly what the word science means.
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Sorry Anchor, but I thought all sermons are terminally boring, the next best thing to a cricket/golf commentary on the radizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz____________
good grief, no!
I throw some humour into the mix (it cuts down the snores).
The trick is trying to make sure they don't laugh at the serious bits.
I've sort of managed so far....
There's a first time for everything, though.
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good grief, no!
I throw some humour into the mix (it cuts down the snores).
The trick is trying to make sure they don't laugh at the serious bits.
I've sort of managed so far....
There's a first time for everything, though.
Although I'm sure you're one of the good guys Anchor, but I still can't get my head around the why people still retain this god belief idea it's very foreign and odd to me.
Regards ippy
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Just imagine for a moment that my science, supported by all known science and the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ, is correct. What it means is that we are killing ourselves and turning our good health into the chaos we are living in today by refusing to adopt solid righteous teaching...but more than this, we are condemning ourselves to an eternal life trapped in the ether...until, that is, till the fiery lake of sulphur arrives and we are condemned to an eternity floating around the universe spiritually trapped forever more with no remission. That is what everyone who encourages you to follow Jesus Christ, accurately, is trying to save you from...you will never have a truer friend. The science demands that you read the Holy Bible and compare it against what I say...That means that Almighty God is the living voice of a wonderful dynamic, and indestructible energy, that built stars and atoms and the genetics that formed life and which needs special laws to harness and harvest that wonderful science into our daily lives by. It doesn't matter whether you like the idea or not it is vital to all our salvations.
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Just imagine for a moment that my science, supported by all known science and the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ, is correct. What it means is that we are killing ourselves and turning our good health into the chaos we are living in today by refusing to adopt solid righteous teaching...but more than this, we are condemning ourselves to an eternal life trapped in the ether...until, that is, till the fiery lake of sulphur arrives and we are condemned to an eternity floating around the universe spiritually trapped forever more with no remission. That is what everyone who encourages you to follow Jesus Christ, accurately, is trying to save you from...you will never have a truer friend. The science demands that you read the Holy Bible and compare it against what I say...That means that Almighty God is the living voice of a wonderful dynamic, and indestructible energy, that built stars and atoms and the genetics that formed life and which needs special laws to harness and harvest that wonderful science into our daily lives by. It doesn't matter whether you like the idea or not it is vital to all our salvations.
Your "science"?
What science?
Since you have provided no evidence to substantiate it, YOU'RE the one doing the imagining, NM.
We won't bother, thanks.
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Just imagine for a moment that my science, supported by all known science and the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ, is correct.
"Imagine" is the accurate word Nick, given that your so called science is purely the result of an over active imagination.
No science involved whatsoever.
Common sense tells us that Nick.
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Just imagine for a moment that my science, supported by all known science
Your waffle is supported by no known science.
an eternal life trapped in the ether...until, that is, till the fiery lake of sulphur arrives and we are condemned to an eternity floating around the universe spiritually trapped forever more with no remission. That is what everyone who encourages you to follow Jesus Christ, accurately, is trying to save you from...you will never have a truer friend.
The 'ether' was a concept hypothesised by 18th and some 19th century scientists. It has long been outmoded and rejected.
As for 'the fiery lake of sulphur' - the one good thing that can be said about your friends the Jehovah's Witnesses is that they reserve this for Satan and his demons alone. Humans (according to the JWs) simply die. In this (and only this) you could learn something from them, rather than indulging in Schadenfreude.
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Just imagine for a moment that my science, supported by all known science and the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ, is correct.
Why? We know it isn't correct. That makes the rest of your post just nonsensical waffle.
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Just imagine for a moment that my science, supported by all known science and the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ, is correct. What it means is that we are killing ourselves and turning our good health into the chaos we are living in today by refusing to adopt solid righteous teaching...but more than this, we are condemning ourselves to an eternal life trapped in the ether...until, that is, till the fiery lake of sulphur arrives and we are condemned to an eternity floating around the universe spiritually trapped forever more with no remission. That is what everyone who encourages you to follow Jesus Christ, accurately, is trying to save you from...you will never have a truer friend. The science demands that you read the Holy Bible and compare it against what I say...That means that Almighty God is the living voice of a wonderful dynamic, and indestructible energy, that built stars and atoms and the genetics that formed life and which needs special laws to harness and harvest that wonderful science into our daily lives by. It doesn't matter whether you like the idea or not it is vital to all our salvations.
Your fanciful notions are NOT science.
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Science says that the universe is expanding at high speed...but does nothing with it...I have proved that it is the birth-force behind the birth of gravity...the higgs field...the imploding force that fires up life within the living cell....the birth force behind all science.
Science says that every atom has a wonderful pattern of particle arrangement within them...that's it...all planted by a big-bang. My science pulled from that science and the Holy Bible shows that atoms are a natural by-product of an newly forming star of pure, dense energy, which is scratching at the dimension that lies beneath the entire Milky Way...the pre-big bang, static universe
Science says that the universe is filled with an invisible property they call dark matter and dark energy...full stop...my science shows that this material/energy is the dynamic energy/God's fountain of spiritual waters/the Holy Water, owned by Almighty God that can quench thirsts that other quenchers can't reach, a soothing balm for our genetics.
Science says that the living cell replicates in repeatable patterns but offers nothing to explain why or how...my science shows that an electrical force must exist of the sort that drives atom formation and gravity, black-holes and all life, part-atoms that come together in pairs bringing predetermined atoms into a chemical setting before parting causing replication...and the Holy Bible agrees. This is why Jesus Christ is the highest scientist in the universe after his Godly status as being the Son of Almighty God, himself. He brought Almighty God's righteous science to us and delivered it to us in a way that can be easily understood
Time for us to realise that modern science is lagging well behind the Holy Bible.
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Science says that the universe is expanding at high speed...but does nothing with it...I have proved that it is the birth-force behind the birth of gravity...the higgs field...the imploding force that fires up life within the living cell....the birth force behind all science.
Science says that every atom has a wonderful pattern of particle arrangement within them...that's it...all planted by a big-bang. My science pulled from that science and the Holy Bible shows that atoms are a natural by-product of an newly forming star of pure, dense energy, which is scratching at the dimension that lies beneath the entire Milky Way...the pre-big bang, static universe
Science says that the universe is filled with an invisible property they call dark matter and dark energy...full stop...my science shows that this material/energy is the dynamic energy/God's fountain of spiritual waters/the Holy Water, owned by Almighty God that can quench thirsts that other quenchers can't reach, a soothing balm for our genetics.
Science says that the living cell replicates in repeatable patterns but offers nothing to explain why or how...my science shows that an electrical force must exist of the sort that drives atom formation and gravity, black-holes and all life, part-atoms that come together in pairs bringing predetermined atoms into a chemical setting before parting causing replication...and the Holy Bible agrees. This is why Jesus Christ is the highest scientist in the universe after his Godly status as being the Son of Almighty God, himself. He brought Almighty God's righteous science to us and delivered it to us in a way that can be easily understood
Time for us to realise that modern science is lagging well behind the Holy Bible.
The only thing you have proved is that your imagination is on overdrive! ::)
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Nick
You are either having a laugh, and if so please stop since you aren't funny and any novelty has long since worn off, or you urgently need to get yourself an education about science so that your proselytising doesn't involve any more spurious claims about either science or your claims of being a 'scientist'.
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Apparently this mb will be troll free (or at least troll light) for a bit, so until normal service returns…
NM,
I have proved that…
First, the word “science” has a definition. That definition entails observation, hypotheses, evidence, testing, theories, peer review, falsification tests etc. Whatever it is that you think you’re doing, it has none of these characteristics. That means that cannot be science. No ifs, not buts - it cannot be science. Call it what you like – assertion, bad poetry, personal theology, whatever – but you cannot call it science.
In the unlikely event that you actually manage to demonstrate even some of the conditions necessary for science though, then – but only then – would that term be even remotely appropriate.
Second, you’ve “proved” nothing whatever – just asserting incoherence doesn’t constitute proof.
Third, science doesn’t deal with proofs in any case – it deals with hypotheses and theories. Those things can be amended or junked as and when further and better evidence and reasoning arises. That’s the strength of science – its methods allow for knowledge to develop and to grow over time. Your unfounded and evidence-free assertions on the other hand start wrong and stay that way.
Fourth, the attempts you make to describe the truths that science does provide are almost invariably wrong. Not slightly off, not nearly right – categorically and unequivocaly wrong. And when torri and others take the time to explain to you where and how you go wrong it’s fundamentally dishonest of you moreover to respond with “read your holy Bible” and similar rather than to own the countless mistakes you make about cell biology, a supposed dark side of the earth, stars vanishing, earthquakes increasing etc.
Fifth, when your many mistakes are explained to you your playing the victim in response (“the Bible says people would mock” etc) just makes you look pathetic. People correct you not because they have an agenda to mock; they correct you because they’re right and you’re wrong.
Oh, and sixth when you tell me and others to “read your Holy Bible” you need to understand that it’s not my “Holy” Bible at all. That you think it to be holy –ie, divinely inspired and therefore authoritative – is a personal conviction you happen to have, but your utter inability to mount even a scrap of an iota of a nano-argument worthy of the name to validate that claim means you've arrogated a claim on my behalf.
Apart from that though...
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..I have proved ........
...that you have an over active imagination.
That is the only thing that you have proved Nick.
Common sense alone tells us that.
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What I have established, beyond a shadow of a doubt, is the science that Jesus Christ lived and died showing us, and its wonderful attributes towards our resurrection, repair, and everlasting life. It cannot be altered or defied, it can only be used wisely or evilly...the choice is ours...but the past 2000 years declare to me that God's Final Judgement will put an end to all evil ridicule...and, as a kindness...I am forewarning you all.
Almighty God isn't the God of the entire universe because he backs away from unrighteousness. Neither does Jesus Christ.
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NM,
What I have established, beyond a shadow of a doubt, is the science that Jesus Christ lived and died showing us, and its wonderful attributes towards our resurrection, repair, and everlasting life. It cannot be altered or defied, it can only be used wisely or evilly...the choice is ours...but the past 2000 years declare to me that God's Final Judgement will put an end to all evil ridicule...and, as a kindness...I am forewarning you all.
Almighty God isn't the God of the entire universe because he backs away from unrighteousness. Neither does Jesus Christ.
What you have "established" is only that you make some (frankly bizarre) assertions. You have fundamentally not however demonstrated science of any kind for the reasons I explained to you and that you've just ignored.
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What I have done is delivered the two gifts from Almighty God that I was under righteous instruction to deliver...so that you will all have a fighting chance against the Biblical Revelation that is creeping up on us all and which requires this science, or Jesus Christ's accurate 'word' for anyone to succeed through it all, as long as we don't delay in our repentance any longer.
Righteousness is only living as we should be anyway with some wonderful promises thrown in.
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What I have done is delivered the two gifts from Almighty God that I was under righteous instruction to deliver...so that you will all have a fighting chance against the Biblical Revelation that is creeping up on us all and which requires this science, or Jesus Christ's accurate 'word' for anyone to succeed through it all, as long as we don't delay in our repentance any longer.
Righteousness is only living as we should be anyway with some wonderful promises thrown in.
Who instructed you?
Because whoever it was, God it was not.
If you accept the Christ who is Truth - even if you dispute His nature; your abject failure to provide even a scrap of evidence that can be examined or debated debases your message, negates your claim, and insults the Gospel you claim to cherish.
Sorry, NM, you are a false witness - and if you have in any way read the New Testament, you will note that Paul, James, John, Peter, the writer of Hebrews and Christ Himself made their feelings abundantly clear as false witnesses are concerned.
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What I have done is delivered the two gifts from Almighty God that I was under righteous instruction to deliver...so that you will all have a fighting chance against the Biblical Revelation that is creeping up on us all and which requires this science, or Jesus Christ's accurate 'word' for anyone to succeed through it all, as long as we don't delay in our repentance any longer.
Really ? must have missed that. Post up a link
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What I have done is delivered the two gifts from Almighty God that I was under righteous instruction to deliver...so that you will all have a fighting chance against the Biblical Revelation that is creeping up on us all and which requires this science, or Jesus Christ's accurate 'word' for anyone to succeed through it all, as long as we don't delay in our repentance any longer.
Righteousness is only living as we should be anyway with some wonderful promises thrown in.
Oh dear, that says it all, SO SAD! :(
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I'll say it again, in case some of you are hard of hearing...according to the Holy Bible...we are surrounded by an invisible energy...it is the same energy that, in its densest form, created all galaxies, stars, and subsequently, all life. Almighty God, himself, is a living manifestation of all this energy and is its living voice. Jesus Christ taught us how to harness this energy, how to reattach ourselves to its soothing, calming, refreshing, repairing forces, and they, our Deity, are especially concerned because the great tribulations are pressing heavier upon us now, daily. Repentance is our best course of action...defiance will have its own, unwanted, reward.
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I'll say it again, in case some of you are hard of hearing...according to the Holy Bible...we are surrounded by an invisible energy...it is the same energy that, in its densest form, created all galaxies, stars, and subsequently, all life. Almighty God, himself, is a living manifestation of all this energy and is its living voice. Jesus Christ taught us how to harness this energy, how to reattach ourselves to its soothing, calming, refreshing, repairing forces, and they, our Deity, are especially concerned because the great tribulations are pressing heavier upon us now, daily. Repentance is our best course of action...defiance will have its own, unwanted, reward.
If that was one gift, what was the second gift ?
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I'll say it again, in case some of you are hard of hearing...according to the Holy Bible...we are surrounded by an invisible energy...it is the same energy that, in its densest form, created all galaxies, stars, and subsequently, all life. Almighty God, himself, is a living manifestation of all this energy and is its living voice. Jesus Christ taught us how to harness this energy, how to reattach ourselves to its soothing, calming, refreshing, repairing forces, and they, our Deity, are especially concerned because the great tribulations are pressing heavier upon us now, daily. Repentance is our best course of action...defiance will have its own, unwanted, reward.
You can say it again and again until you are blue in the face, no one is taking you seriously because you are talking absolute nonsense. It is you who needs to read what the Bible actually says, not what you imagine it to be saying. I have come across many people in my 68 years who claim they are messengers from god, in reality and on forums. If they are really passing on messages from god it isn't choosing its representatives very wisely, as like yourself they have no credibility whatsoever.
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I'll say it again, in case some of you are hard of hearing...according to the Holy Bible...
I think your dependence on the Bible, and in attributing to it what it doesn't contain, is where you are going wrong. Nick.
I suggest you try some proper science books on cosmology etc instead of continuing to misuse the Christian Bible (which is not a science book).
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Here's an idea - everyone else stop posting to this thread, and before long NM will run out of things to say with no-one to reply to, and the thread will die a long-overdue death.
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NM,
What I have done is delivered the two gifts from Almighty God that I was under righteous instruction to deliver...so that you will all have a fighting chance against the Biblical Revelation that is creeping up on us all and which requires this science, or Jesus Christ's accurate 'word' for anyone to succeed through it all, as long as we don't delay in our repentance any longer.
Righteousness is only living as we should be anyway with some wonderful promises thrown in.
If you want to tell yourself that you're "under righteous instruction" to do something, that's a matter for you.
What I actually did though was to explain at some length that as your claims have none of the characteristics necessary to meet the definition of the term "science", you cannot call them science. That you have just ignored the problem does not do you credit.
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... of continuing to misuse the Christian Bible ....
I was under the impression that Nick uses the New World Translation. If this is so, then is it not questionable as to whether this is actually Christian?
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Who instructed you?
Because whoever it was, God it was not.
If you accept the Christ who is Truth - even if you dispute His nature; your abject failure to provide even a scrap of evidence that can be examined or debated debases your message, negates your claim, and insults the Gospel you claim to cherish.
Sorry, NM, you are a false witness - and if you have in any way read the New Testament, you will note that Paul, James, John, Peter, the writer of Hebrews and Christ Himself made their feelings abundantly clear as false witnesses are concerned.
Can we hold "real" Christians to the same standard?
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Can we hold "real" Christians to the same standard?
I'd hope so, yes.
If I can't find evidence - Biblical or otherwise - to back up my position, I hope I'd be honest enough to say
"I don't know"
Yhat's the faith thing.
I trust God - who does know, when I don't.
But if I see stuff which is patently rubbish, or not in scriptures, but argued as if it were, then I'm perfectly happy to jump in, in the hope that the person making the point will bring evidence to back it up.
In NM's case, this has not, as yet, happened, but I live in hope.
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What I have done is delivered the two gifts from Almighty God that I was under righteous instruction to deliver...so that you will all have a fighting chance against the Biblical Revelation that is creeping up on us all and which requires this science, or Jesus Christ's accurate 'word' for anyone to succeed through it all, as long as we don't delay in our repentance any longer.
Righteousness is only living as we should be anyway with some wonderful promises thrown in.
Nicholas, this website is one of the best I've come across on Revelation: http://revelationtimelinedecoded.com/ Read the introduction first and then scroll down for detailed analysis of the scripture on the right-hand side of the page.
I know how you like youtube videos, here is an excellent series on Daniel's 70 week Prophecy:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2GySzv1YNgEVHxP8oWxsguDtkJfD8sBI
Both sources show the lie of futuristic dispensationalism that was introduced first by John Darby then later Scofield who marketed this teaching. The apostles' teachings completely and utterly reject it.
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Nicholas, this website is one of the best I've come across on Revelation: http://revelationtimelinedecoded.com/ Read the introduction first and then scroll down for detailed analysis of the scripture on the right-hand side of the page.
I know how you like youtube videos, here is an excellent series on Daniel's 70 week Prophecy:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2GySzv1YNgEVHxP8oWxsguDtkJfD8sBI
Both sources show the lie of futuristic dispensationalism that was introduced first by John Darby then later Scofield who marketed this teaching. The apostles' teachings completely and utterly reject it.
SweetPea;
Yes.
Much of Revalation is couched in apocalyptic language - but deals, not in far flung future events - which will, of course, include Christ's return, but in the events facing the Church in late first century Asia Minor.
That does not negate its' value as scripture, nor, indeed, prophesy - after all a prophet was not some mystic Meg who foretold the future, but someone used by God who spoke the truth.
I well remember the Good News Bible books being sold as separate individual pocket sized paperbacks. Revelation took up fifty pages.
Underneath it, by coincidence - or not - were several tomes on the book, each of several hundred pages, and the largest of over six hundred.
It's an immensly complex book, and only a great immersion in first century history, a good knowledge of similar works of the time, and a working knowledge of Scriptural apocalyptic books w
helps a real interpretation.
I barely scratch the surface, even when I use Revelation when preaching - as I have done.
To conflate Revelation with modern science, and throw in a corrupt translation to boot, does not do justice to the book.
Maranatha!
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Both gifts are embodied in the science...but as it is too advanced for you all, I suggest that you seek out and follow, Jesus Christ's accurate teaching knowing that you are living that science which is also those two gifts which I will describe here in Almighty God's words...He said...and I quote...what will be their two greatest needs if they haven't listened?....to which I replied...and He said....These are the two gifts you will take with you.
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Both gifts are embodied in the science...but as it is too advanced for you all, I suggest that you seek out and follow, Jesus Christ's accurate teaching knowing that you are living that science which is also those two gifts which I will describe here in Almighty God's words...He said...and I quote...what will be their two greatest needs if they haven't listened?....to which I replied...and He said....These are the two gifts you will take with you.
For crying out loud, Nick, just tell us in clear language: gift 1 is '?' and gift 2 is '?'.
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For crying out loud, Nick, just tell us in clear language: gift 1 is '?' and gift 2 is '?'.
I have to consider the consequences of what I say and it is sufficient to say, for the moment, what I have already said. Jesus Christ is the very best way to embrace those gifts, quietly, calmly, and with solid guidance.
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Nicholas, this website is one of the best I've come across on Revelation: http://revelationtimelinedecoded.com/ Read the introduction first and then scroll down for detailed analysis of the scripture on the right-hand side of the page.
This is a very interesting take on the book of revelation, but this book is so complex and open to so many different interpretations that it can be dangerous to place too much emphasis on various interpretations. The Gospels should always be used as the foundation of our Christian faith.
I felt very disturbed by the anti Catholic rhetoric contained in this article. The Roman Catholic church has certainly been the target for attacks from the enemy, both from inside infiltrators and from outside the church, and continues to be so - but it is not the enemy itself!
Matthew 16:18
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
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I have to consider the consequences of what I say and it is sufficient to say, for the moment, what I have already said. Jesus Christ is the very best way to embrace those gifts, quietly, calmly, and with solid guidance.
I think you can risk it, Nick: we're all adults here and I'm sure we can cope: so just go ahead and tell us in plain simple language what these two 'gifts' are.
Unless of course you're just teasing us all.
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I have to consider the consequences of what I say and it is sufficient to say, for the moment, what I have already said. Jesus Christ is the very best way to embrace those gifts, quietly, calmly, and with solid guidance.
The source of thos gifts, NM?
Are you on about the charisma?
Careful - because if you go down that road, youll have to admit that the source is the Holy Spirit, third Person of the Triune God....which throws a bucket of cold electric spiritual goo over your mistranslation of 'dynamic energy', which is the JW's fraudulent mistranslation of Scripture to get round the fact that Scripture clearly ascribes a personhood to Him.
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This is a very interesting take on the book of revelation, but this book is so complex and open to so many different interpretations that it can be dangerous to place too much emphasis on various interpretations. The Gospels should always be used as the foundation of our Christian faith.
I felt very disturbed by the anti Catholic rhetoric contained in this article. The Roman Catholic church has certainly been the target for attacks from the enemy, both from inside infiltrators and from outside the church, and continues to be so - but it is not the enemy itself!
Matthew 16:18
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
There's a regrettable tendency amongst certain evangelical authors to regard the Roman Church as the enemy.
This is nonsense, ofcourse.
Certainly in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries,it WS the enemy, as it was both venal and corrupt, and intetrfered in state politics in Europe....as has been admitted by many RC scholars.
I don't accept a lot of Roman doctrine - but I do regard them as fellow Christians - after all, there is but One body.
No denomination is perfect - certainly not mine - because no individuals are perfect.
I use 'Roman', here, not as an insult, because my own church,like that of Rome, subscribes to the Apostles' Creed, a line of which states;
"I believe in one Holy Catholic Church"
"Catholic" simply meaning "Universal".
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As the deliverer of these gifts, I suggest that I decide how best to feed those gifts into our doctrine. Jesus had a very limited time and look what happened to him. The corrupt are only too willing to be heavy handed against us all, never mind the righteous.
Charisma is only available to those who feast off the emotional strength of others. The true Christian wears their emotional strength on the inside, and, by righteous law, uses it to repair by, and worship our saviour and his father with...before using it to guide our every step....You see, why, then, it is wise to read the Holy Bible...you get clues to every manifestation of life...good and bad...but it's up to us to choose righteousness and be saved else be unprepared for the consequences as expressed in Revelation.
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Both gifts are embodied in the science...but as it is too advanced for you all, I suggest that you seek out and follow, Jesus Christ's accurate teaching knowing that you are living that science which is also those two gifts which I will describe here in Almighty God's words...He said...and I quote...what will be their two greatest needs if they haven't listened?....to which I replied...and He said....These are the two gifts you will take with you.
Well that was as clear as mud.
If I end up heading for some fiery lake I'm blaming Sparkalot for making the clear incomprehensible.
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Right from post 433 on this thread, what a load of old superstitionist woo, pathetic.
To think there are still adults believing in this sort of stuff?
ippy
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As the deliverer of these gifts, I suggest that I decide how best to feed those gifts into our doctrine. Jesus had a very limited time and look what happened to him. The corrupt are only too willing to be heavy handed against us all, never mind the righteous.
Charisma is only available to those who feast off the emotional strength of others. The true Christian wears their emotional strength on the inside, and, by righteous law, uses it to repair by, and worship our saviour and his father with...before using it to guide our every step....You see, why, then, it is wise to read the Holy Bible...you get clues to every manifestation of life...good and bad...but it's up to us to choose righteousness and be saved else be unprepared for the consequences as expressed in Revelation.
Eh?
You have read Paul's Corinthian letters?#The gifta of the Spirit - the charisma - are not confined to emotional babies, NM. God's Holy Spirit - God in action in the world - is the giver and channel for those gifts. He - and any reading of any accurate Bible translation will tell you that the Holy Spirit is a Persin - is the one doing the giving, and teaching us how to use the gifts He gives.
I'm not talking about tongues her - had you ever read 1 or 2 Corinthians, you'd realise that the charisma are fare more practical and mundane, - but obviously you have not.
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As the deliverer of these gifts, I suggest that I decide how best to feed those gifts into our doctrine. Jesus had a very limited time and look what happened to him. The corrupt are only too willing to be heavy handed against us all, never mind the righteous.
Charisma is only available to those who feast off the emotional strength of others. The true Christian wears their emotional strength on the inside, and, by righteous law, uses it to repair by, and worship our saviour and his father with...before using it to guide our every step....You see, why, then, it is wise to read the Holy Bible...you get clues to every manifestation of life...good and bad...but it's up to us to choose righteousness and be saved else be unprepared for the consequences as expressed in Revelation.
You are the deliverer of nothing but fanciful garbage! ::)
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As the deliverer of these gifts, I suggest that I decide how best to feed those gifts into our doctrine. Jesus had a very limited time and look what happened to him.
But Nick, aren't we in the end times?
Isn't it all going to kick off, "soon"?
If that is accurately the case, then shouldn't you be offloading this knowlege immediately and without delay?
Unless of course you are privvy the the actual day and the hour?
Are you, Nick?
Because if you are not, then delaying the dissemination of this really, really important knowledge that you are currently holding back, even by minutes, would be a crime against humanity, wouldn't it?
Nick?
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Because I am following righteousness...as closely as I'm able...I believe that the timing and the teaching are at the behest of Almighty God and Jesus Christ...therefore, you get it at their speed and in their revealing...I'm merely a cog in the wheel. The most important thing you will ever learn is that all around us, all of the time, is a wonderful, invisible energy that we can harness and harvest for the purpose of righteousness, which is made manifest entirely within the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ. I have to say 'accurate' continually, because iniquity has devised their own version which leads nowhere. Accuracy comes from sifting out iniquity from the truth and reveals everything Jesus said it would. Accuracy is also the hall-mark behind a science...in this case, a wonderful, righteous science.
If you think Paul was saying that pop-stars, film-stars, and various other charismatics are God-like, Anchorman, I suggest you should read him again.
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Because I am following righteousness...as closely as I'm able...I believe that the timing and the teaching are at the behest of Almighty God and Jesus Christ...therefore, you get it at their speed and in their revealing...I'm merely a cog in the wheel. The most important thing you will ever learn is that all around us, all of the time, is a wonderful, invisible energy that we can harness and harvest for the purpose of righteousness, which is made manifest entirely within the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ. I have to say 'accurate' continually, because iniquity has devised their own version which leads nowhere. Accuracy comes from sifting out iniquity from the truth and reveals everything Jesus said it would. Accuracy is also the hall-mark behind a science...in this case, a wonderful, righteous science.
If you think Paul was saying that pop-stars, film-stars, and various other charismatics are God-like, Anchorman, I suggest you should read him again.
The definition of 'righteousness is:- the quality of being morally right or justifiable.
synonyms:
goodness, virtue, virtuousness, uprightness, decency, integrity, worthiness, rectitude, probity, morality, ethicalness, high-mindedness, justice, honesty, honour, honourableness, innocence, blamelessness, guiltlessness, irreproachability, sinlessness, saintliness, purity, nobility, noble-mindedness, piety, piousness
"the successful are always tempted to regard their success as a reward for righteousness"
Your fanciful nonsense doesn't tick any of those boxes, imo.
People have been claiming for centuries that the elusive 'end times' were imminent. Even Jesus thought they would happen in the lifetime of his disciples. If he couldn't get it right, who can? This planet will cease to be one day, but I very much doubt it will be a 'second coming' event.
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Because I am following righteousness...as closely as I'm able...I believe that the timing and the teaching are at the behest of Almighty God and Jesus Christ...therefore, you get it at their speed and in their revealing...I'm merely a cog in the wheel. The most important thing you will ever learn is that all around us, all of the time, is a wonderful, invisible energy that we can harness and harvest for the purpose of righteousness, which is made manifest entirely within the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ. I have to say 'accurate' continually, because iniquity has devised their own version which leads nowhere. Accuracy comes from sifting out iniquity from the truth and reveals everything Jesus said it would. Accuracy is also the hall-mark behind a science...in this case, a wonderful, righteous science.
If you think Paul was saying that pop-stars, film-stars, and various other charismatics are God-like, Anchorman, I suggest you should read him again.
When making yourself look ridiculous Nick, you couldn't be more accurate, any one of your many postings, take your pick, are extremely accurate at showing how much inconsequential ludicrous nonsense you can pack into any one of your far too many idiotic, and plainly silly outpourings.
Your understanding of righteousness is permanently stuck at a pre teenage level and as yet you still haven't found a way of substantiating the truth of any single part of the magical, mystical and superstition based parts of this bible of yours.
Your posts only consist of stupid sounding waffle and sometimes laughable bollocks.
Your posts are also, if they weren't so stupid, very insulting to people that don't share your rather strange ideas about religion I'm not a religious believing individual but do however care about my fellow person and try in general to to do good and be as kind as I can when and where ever I can, and as for your stupid lake of sulphur and the rest of your delusional believings doesn't your beloved book say something about not judging others?
I've yet to see you write anything that sounds as though it comes from an every day somewhere near normal Joe, your writing style badly needs revision, you need to realise you're not Moses, yes the one in your book, looking down and laying out the law, you're an ordinary person just like the rest of us we're all struggling to get by.
Regards ippy
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SweetPea;
Yes.
Much of Revalation is couched in apocalyptic language - but deals, not in far flung future events - which will, of course, include Christ's return, but in the events facing the Church in late first century Asia Minor.
That does not negate its' value as scripture, nor, indeed, prophesy - after all a prophet was not some mystic Meg who foretold the future, but someone used by God who spoke the truth.
I well remember the Good News Bible books being sold as separate individual pocket sized paperbacks. Revelation took up fifty pages.
Underneath it, by coincidence - or not - were several tomes on the book, each of several hundred pages, and the largest of over six hundred.
It's an immensly complex book, and only a great immersion in first century history, a good knowledge of similar works of the time, and a working knowledge of Scriptural apocalyptic books w
helps a real interpretation.
I barely scratch the surface, even when I use Revelation when preaching - as I have done.
To conflate Revelation with modern science, and throw in a corrupt translation to boot, does not do justice to the book.
Maranatha!
Hello Jim
Great to hear you even approach Revelation in your sermons and better still if you can guide folk away from the doctrine of futurism explaining it's roots..... very few ministers would even consider touching the subject. Most certainly Revelation is talking about the events facing the Church in late first century Asia Minor as can be evidenced in history.
Also, in your reply to Alan.... many think that referring to 'the Catholic Church' means only the 'Roman' Catholic Church but as you say 'Catholic' means universal.
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This is a very interesting take on the book of revelation, but this book is so complex and open to so many different interpretations that it can be dangerous to place too much emphasis on various interpretations. The Gospels should always be used as the foundation of our Christian faith.
I felt very disturbed by the anti Catholic rhetoric contained in this article. The Roman Catholic church has certainly been the target for attacks from the enemy, both from inside infiltrators and from outside the church, and continues to be so - but it is not the enemy itself!
Matthew 16:18
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Hello Alan
The Roman Catholic worshippers (as yourself) are good people as many of the clergy..... my now deceased cousin was a RC priest and a wonderful man. But the enemy within the RCC is the Jesuits. Have you ever read the Jesuit Oath.... quite bone chilling. Also, the 'worship' of Mary is not right.... would you agree, or do you see what I mean? Then the Vatican itself..... all those riches? If you look further, the Vatican today wealds a great power. You will find it finances Israel. Spirituality expresses itself through symbolism and there is some quite disturbing symbolism amongst the décor inside the Vatican.
Having said all this, as I say, RCC worshippers as yourself mean only to follower the teachings of Jesus Christ, it is so often the hierarchy in any denomination that can be at fault.
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My apologies to Nicholas for taking this thread off course.
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Hello Alan
The Roman Catholic worshippers (as yourself) are good people as many of the clergy..... my now deceased cousin was a RC priest and a wonderful man. But the enemy within the RCC is the Jesuits. Have you ever read the Jesuit Oath.... quite bone chilling. Also, the 'worship' of Mary is not right.... would you agree, or do you see what I mean? Then the Vatican itself..... all those riches? If you look further, the Vatican today wealds a great power. You will find it finances Israel. Spirituality expresses itself through symbolism and there is some quite disturbing symbolism amongst the décor inside the Vatican.
Having said all this, as I say, RCC worshippers as yourself mean only to follower the teachings of Jesus Christ, it is so often the hierarchy in any denomination that can be at fault.
Hi SweatPea,
Many people seem to misunderstand the role of Mary within our church. We do not worship Mary - that would be considered a sin of Blasphemy. All power comes from God, and Mary has the role of intercessor between us and God. We ask Mary to help us in our prayers, and as she did in the miracle of Cana, she can be very effective. Praying the rosary is a very powerful prayer which has produced amazing results both in my personal life and in past historical events (such as the battle of Lepanto -
http://www.ncregister.com/blog/kschiffer/the-pope-the-rosary-and-the-battle-of-lepanto).
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Praying the rosary is a very powerful prayer which has produced amazing results both in my personal life and in past historical events (such as the battle of Lepanto -
http://www.ncregister.com/blog/kschiffer/the-pope-the-rosary-and-the-battle-of-lepanto).
That sounds awfully like the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy, Alan - especially when claimed by those who are already predisposed towards the notion of divine intervention in response to prayer (such as the author of the article you linked to).
Do you think there could be other reasons why the battle turned out as it did?
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NM,
Both gifts are embodied in the science...but as it is too advanced for you all, I suggest that you seek out and follow, Jesus Christ's accurate teaching knowing that you are living that science which is also those two gifts which I will describe here in Almighty God's words...He said...and I quote...what will be their two greatest needs if they haven't listened?....to which I replied...and He said....These are the two gifts you will take with you.
You have no science for the reason I explained to you and you have continued to ignore: the term “science” has a definition, and that definition requires various characteristics to be present – clarity of terms used, hypothesis, evidence, testing, theory, falsifiability, publication, peer review etc.
Your various claims have none of these characteristics, which is why ipso facto whatever it is that you think you’re asserting cannot be science.
Thus there are two options here:
1. You do have access to these features only for some reason you choose not to tell anyone what they are, preferring instead hyperbole, bad poetry and unqualified assertion; or
2. You’re a fantasist.
Simply avoiding the problem with various diversionary tactics (“read your holy Bible”, “the Bible says there’d be mockers”, “it’s all too complicated for you” etc) merely serves to expose your charlatanism.
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AB,
Praying the rosary is a very powerful prayer which has produced amazing results both in my personal life and in past historical events (such as the battle of Lepanto -
http://www.ncregister.com/blog/kschiffer/the-pope-the-rosary-and-the-battle-of-lepanto).
You once told me that you think about things, yet this effort and the dimwittedness of the writer you linked to suggest otherwise. How on earth did you (and she) jump from, “Event A was unlikely but desirable to me, I prayed for event A to happen, event A happened” to, “therefore the prayers worked”?
How did you know that “event A” wouldn’t have happened anyway (as unlikely events often do)?
What comparison have you made of the ratio between prayed for events that happened and prayed for events that didn’t happen so as to know that praying isn’t statistically irrelevant?
What makes you think that you know better than a “god of the omnis” who had already decided on the proper course of events but then changed His mind in response to your genuflections and propitiations?
How would you reconcile your confidence in the effectiveness of praying to your god with the fact of unlikely prayed for events happening when people of different faiths did the praying to their gods, especially when the outcomes suited their religions and not yours?
When I was a schoolboy I used to tell myself that if I didn’t step on the cracks in the pavement all the way home my favourite tea of egg and chips would be waiting for me when I got there, and sometimes it was. According to your reasoning, does this mean that I discovered a hitherto unknown divine power of avoiding the cracks in the pavement?
Why not?
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For crying out loud, Nick, just tell us in clear language: gift 1 is '?' and gift 2 is '?'.
A cuddly toy and an infrared grill
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Hello Jim
Great to hear you even approach Revelation in your sermons and better still if you can guide folk away from the doctrine of futurism explaining it's roots..... very few ministers would even consider touching the subject. Most certainly Revelation is talking about the events facing the Church in late first century Asia Minor as can be evidenced in history.
Also, in your reply to Alan.... many think that referring to 'the Catholic Church' means only the 'Roman' Catholic Church but as you say 'Catholic' means universal.
Yes. John, presumably the writer of Revelation, wrote about the 'abundant life' Christ, the Good Shepherd offersus. (John 10, 1-16 and following)
That 'abundant life' - better translated as "life in all its' fullness' starts, as I understand it, the second we accept Christ for who He is and accept Him to be 'in us' as we are 'in Him ' - in other words, part of us.
Not at some time in the future, nor after we snuff it, but now.
If we are 'in Christ', then whatever the future - and the parousia - we need not panic; just share, simply and honestly, without embellishing the Gospel with pseudoscientific garbage or neo-Gnostic stuff which simply is not there.
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Hi SweatPea,
Many people seem to misunderstand the role of Mary within our church. We do not worship Mary - that would be considered a sin of Blasphemy. All power comes from God, and Mary has the role of intercessor between us and God. We ask Mary to help us in our prayers, and as she did in the miracle of Cana, she can be very effective. Praying the rosary is a very powerful prayer which has produced amazing results both in my personal life and in past historical events (such as the battle of Lepanto -
http://www.ncregister.com/blog/kschiffer/the-pope-the-rosary-and-the-battle-of-lepanto).
Hi again, Alan.... yes, I understand that, that's why I put 'worship' in commas. I won't continue this discussion here as it's derailing Nicholas's thread..... whether anyone agrees with him or not.
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Yes. John, presumably the writer of Revelation, wrote about the 'abundant life' Christ, the Good Shepherd offersus. (John 10, 1-16 and following)
That 'abundant life' - better translated as "life in all its' fullness' starts, as I understand it, the second we accept Christ for who He is and accept Him to be 'in us' as we are 'in Him ' - in other words, part of us.
Not at some time in the future, nor after we snuff it, but now.
If we are 'in Christ', then whatever the future - and the parousia - we need not panic; just share, simply and honestly, without embellishing the Gospel with pseudoscientific garbage or neo-Gnostic stuff which simply is not there.
Jim.... absolutely!
Just let 'stuff' go (which is the hardest part) and Trust, trust... again not always easy but if we can, Christ is right there.... and there is a strength that nothing can take away. It acts also as a protection.
Many Blessings, brother in Christ.
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Hi again, Alan.... yes, I understand that, that's why I put 'worship' in commas. I won't continue this discussion here as it's derailing Nicholas's thread..... whether anyone agrees with him or not.
It needs derailing that is for sure. ::)
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Amen to the recent posts from SweatPea and Jim - well said.
:)
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AB,
Amen to the recent posts from SweatPea and Jim - well said.
There's a lot of reification from both, but they seem to be well-intentioned at least.
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Amen to the recent posts from SweatPea and Jim - well said.
:)
Yes, wow, they were both earth shattering really much needed observations that will doubtless add to the lives of so many of us.
Regards ippy and of course commiserations to you Alan.
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To recognise that a science is coded into the accurate teaching of the Holy Bible especially in the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ when all modern science has ruled God out of the equation requires a scientific eye. To build a wonderful science that incorporates modern science with a single, superabundant, energy, that has always been, and always will be, is a scientific feat which is, currently out of reach of modern science, yet all the clues are already exposed to them. A science leads to truth of the point under analysis and here that point is the truth in Jesus Christ's accurate teaching...using a scientific language that all of Almighty God's subjects and none -subjects can understand...I make no apologies on this point...that Almighty God and Jesus Christ are the lead-scientists over the entire universe.
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To recognise that a science is coded into the accurate teaching of the Holy Bible especially in the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ when all modern science has ruled God out of the equation requires a scientific eye. To build a wonderful science that incorporates modern science with a single, superabundant, energy, that has always been, and always will be, is a scientific feat which is, currently out of reach of modern science, yet all the clues are already exposed to them. A science leads to truth of the point under analysis and here that point is the truth in Jesus Christ's accurate teaching...using a scientific language that all of Almighty God's subjects and none -subjects can understand...I make no apologies on this point...that Almighty God and Jesus Christ are the lead-scientists over the entire universe.
I think you should make that apology, for example for consistently making false claims, as in the above example, claiming to use scientific language when clearly you aren't.
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To recognise that a science is coded into the accurate teaching of the Holy Bible especially in the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ when all modern science has ruled God out of the equation requires a scientific eye. To build a wonderful science that incorporates modern science with a single, superabundant, energy, that has always been, and always will be, is a scientific feat which is, currently out of reach of modern science, yet all the clues are already exposed to them. A science leads to truth of the point under analysis and here that point is the truth in Jesus Christ's accurate teaching...using a scientific language that all of Almighty God's subjects and none -subjects can understand...I make no apologies on this point...that Almighty God and Jesus Christ are the lead-scientists over the entire universe.
Here we go again, ::) as you have been told so many times by different posters, the Bible is not about science! You appear to have no idea what that word actually means. It certainly doesn't apply to your fanciful nonsense.
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NM,
To recognise that a science is coded into the accurate teaching of the Holy Bible especially in the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ when all modern science has ruled God out of the equation requires a scientific eye. To build a wonderful science that incorporates modern science with a single, superabundant, energy, that has always been, and always will be, is a scientific feat which is, currently out of reach of modern science, yet all the clues are already exposed to them. A science leads to truth of the point under analysis and here that point is the truth in Jesus Christ's accurate teaching...using a scientific language that all of Almighty God's subjects and none -subjects can understand...I make no apologies on this point...that Almighty God and Jesus Christ are the lead-scientists over the entire universe.
I've explained to you twice now using plain language why whatever it is that you think you're asserting cannot be called "science": in short, it lacks any of the characteristics or properties necessary to meet the definition of that term. Why do you keep ignoring the problem you've given yourself?
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NM,
I've explained to you twice now using plain language why whatever it is that you think you're asserting cannot be called "science": in short, it lacks any of the characteristics or properties necessary to meet the definition of that term. Why do you keep ignoring the problem you've given yourself?
Sadly NM doesn't appear to live in the real world, just one of his own creation, which is why he appears to be unable to see how daft his posts appear to others.
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To recognise that a science is coded into the accurate teaching of the Holy Bible especially in the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ when all modern science has ruled God out of the equation requires a scientific eye. To build a wonderful science that incorporates modern science with a single, superabundant, energy, that has always been, and always will be, is a scientific feat which is, currently out of reach of modern science, yet all the clues are already exposed to them. A science leads to truth of the point under analysis and here that point is the truth in Jesus Christ's accurate teaching...using a scientific language that all of Almighty God's subjects and none -subjects can understand...I make no apologies on this point...that Almighty God and Jesus Christ are the lead-scientists over the entire universe.
There is NO code in Scripture, NM.
That is going down the road of the Gnostic.
No secrets, no mystery.
What you see in the New Testament is what you get.
I know you're trying to peddle neo-Gnosticism based on the existing Scriptures. You can't because there's nothing there to code.
Why not turn to the spurious Gnostic stuff written in the third to fifth centuries - OK, nothing to do with Scripture or, for that matter, Christ - but, hey, there's enough code, 'science' and mystery there to satisfy you.
It won't be Christian, or anything like it - but, then,. niether is your 'science'.
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To recognise that a science is coded into the accurate teaching of the Holy Bible especially in the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ when all modern science has ruled God out of the equation requires a scientific eye. To build a wonderful science that incorporates modern science with a single, superabundant, energy, that has always been, and always will be, is a scientific feat which is, currently out of reach of modern science, yet all the clues are already exposed to them. A science leads to truth of the point under analysis and here that point is the truth in Jesus Christ's accurate teaching...using a scientific language that all of Almighty God's subjects and none -subjects can understand...I make no apologies on this point...that Almighty God and Jesus Christ are the lead-scientists over the entire universe.
This post must hold the record for the number of times the word "science" had been incorrectly and unnecessarily used.
Common sense tells us that, Nick.
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Don't you guys ever get that 'Banging your head against a brick wall feeling'?
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Don't you guys ever get that 'Banging your head against a brick wall feeling'?
Yes. If I had any sense I would ignore this thread altogether, but NM's posts are so gobsmackingly silly, the temptation to tell him so is usually too great.
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Finding out how the 'Living-Cell' works is an achievement that this world needs so desperately...and here it is. It is a dual electric force spawned only from the science that states unequivocally that Almighty God and Jesus Christ exist in exactly the status and form that they tell us about...and that the energy generated from the healthy replicating cell is what organizes our attitudes and that our attitudes govern the healthier mechanics of our existence...especially the bit about loving our neighbours. When we run out of the ability to generate this resource ourselves and we apply righteous teaching to the problem then there is access to the primary source of all universal energy...to Almighty God's hidden reserves, accessible, only by the accurate and meek attitude displayed by Jesus Christ, towards his father, and his God, Jehovah.
It is a science that will not work if we don't apply ourselves to it, and the global attitude of the world today says that many aren't trying...which is a pity because of the perilous reasons previously stated.
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If we are tempted to respond to NM's nonsense, maybe we should pledge to put at least £1 into the next charity box we come across. :D
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Finding out how the 'Living-Cell' works is an achievement that this world needs so desperately...and here it is. It is a dual electric force spawned only from the science that states unequivocally that Almighty God and Jesus Christ exist in exactly the status and form that they tell us about...and that the energy generated from the healthy replicating cell is what organizes our attitudes and that our attitudes govern the healthier mechanics of our existence...especially the bit about loving our neighbours. When we run out of the ability to generate this resource ourselves and we apply righteous teaching to the problem then there is access to the primary source of all universal energy...to Almighty God's hidden reserves, accessible, only by the accurate and meek attitude displayed by Jesus Christ, towards his father, and his God, Jehovah. It is a science that will not work if we don't apply ourselves to it, and the global attitude of the world today says that many aren't trying...which is a pity because of the perilous reasons previously stated.
Garbage. We know exactly how a living cell works, how it ingests nutrient, replacates and even degrades - and we have known for decades. That, NM, is called 'Cellular biology'. It's also called 'science' Unlike your mix of bad theology, non-existant science, and neoGnostic mysticism. You might like to link to this site - which has articles regarding real Christians involved in real, actual sciences - rather than the fantasy you seem to indulge in but provide no evidence to substantiate. https://biologos.org/about-us/
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Garbage.
We know exactly how a living cell works, how it ingests nutrient, replacates and even degrades - and we have known for decades.
That, NM, is called 'Cellular biology'.
It's also called 'science'
Unlike your mix of bad theology, non-existant science, and neoGnostic mysticism.
It all fits in with a much bigger picture so I'm inclined to believe Almighty God on this matter. He says that his superabundant, dynamic energy, or, to satisfy your machinations, Mighty Power, is at the root of the entire book universal sciences (not in those exact words), and I have complied with that teaching...more than that, I have proven, to myself, at least, that our hysterical behaviour, in our youth, destroys our genetic health, and when it has gone, only the genetic intervention of Jesus Christ's accurate teaching can intercede with an all-round, positive, outcome...even if that outcome is just resurrection. This is what Jesus was saying when he said he had snatched the keys of life and death from Satan (afterthought...Those that follow me will never die)...he had taught us how we can escape the ether, that spiritual prison, that the unrighteous must remain in until that final resurrection on Judgement Day.
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NM,
Finding out how the 'Living-Cell' works is an achievement that this world needs so desperately...and here it is. It is a dual electric force spawned only from the science that states unequivocally that Almighty God and Jesus Christ exist in exactly the status and form that they tell us about...and that the energy generated from the healthy replicating cell is what organizes our attitudes and that our attitudes govern the healthier mechanics of our existence...especially the bit about loving our neighbours. When we run out of the ability to generate this resource ourselves and we apply righteous teaching to the problem then there is access to the primary source of all universal energy...to Almighty God's hidden reserves, accessible, only by the accurate and meek attitude displayed by Jesus Christ, towards his father, and his God, Jehovah.
It is a science that will not work if we don't apply ourselves to it, and the global attitude of the world today says that many aren't trying...which is a pity because of the perilous reasons previously stated.
No-one can try to apply your “science’ because you’re entirely unable to demonstrate that it is science for the reasons I keep setting out and you keep ignoring. If you seriously think you are in possession of a scientific truth that the entire scientific community has somehow missed, then finally set it out for examination – you know, present the stuff that’s completely missing from your assertions: hypothesis, evidence, testing, theory, peer review, publication etc. After all, they're what's required for something to be science rather than mindless fantasy.
What are you so afraid of – being exposed as a fantabulist? It's a bit late for that wouldn't you say?
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NM,
No-one can try to apply your “science’ because you’re entirely unable to demonstrate that it is science for the reasons I keep setting out and you keep ignoring. If you seriously think you are in possession of a scientific truth that the entire scientific community has somehow missed, then finally set it out for examination – you know, present the stuff that’s completely missing from your assertions: hypothesis, evidence, testing, theory, peer review, publication etc. After all, they're what's required for something to be science rather than mindless fantasy.
What are you so afraid of – being exposed as a fantabulist? It's a bit late for that wouldn't you say?
It is very difficult indeed to comply with the the reasoning of rich-man sciences becauses they aren't interested in donating gifts...whereas, Almighty God and Jesus Christ are. The Holy Bible tells us of the single energy that formed all mass, all the fundamental laws, and the righteous science that guides us to the maximum potential of all sciences...wherein...nothing is impossible...we just have to talk Almighty God's language...a scientific language that appeals to the meek rather than the rich.
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NM,
It is very difficult indeed to comply with the the reasoning of rich-man sciences becauses they aren't interested in donating gifts...whereas, Almighty God and Jesus Christ are. The Holy Bible tells us of the single energy that formed all mass, all the fundamental laws, and the righteous science that guides us to the maximum potential of all sciences...wherein...nothing is impossible...we just have to talk Almighty God's language...a scientific language that appeals to the meek rather than the rich.
I understand that you like to make various assertions of this type. Your problem though is that you want to arrogate for them the status of science, which cannot be the case until and unless you manage to provide any of the characteristics and properties necessary for the term "science". By all means call them other things if you wish – fantasy, imaginings, bad poetry, whatever – but you cannot claim then to be scientific when none of the conditions for science are met.
Why is this difficult for you to grasp?
Oh, and does it not occur to you that “rich-man scientists” would be delighted to find that your claims had some content given the benefit to humanity, the acclaim and the prizes that would follow if they did? Why not then give them something other than mindless assertions to help them do that?
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Nick’s got a laboratory.
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Rhi,
Nick’s got a laboratory.
Lobotomy more like.
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I lol'd.
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Because the Living-Cell is very atomically aligned it is wise to see that it started life in the same electric furnace that all atoms came from...a star...any star...but most likely our star. It works on the micro scale of things just as atoms do and it is unlikely that, at its birth, it contained any perishable goods, like dna. For life to have become so abundant, in a very quick space of time, we must consider that these cells...part atoms...came here in their trillions and that life abounded in many different shapes and forms before the reduction of their freedom was reduced by becoming bigger and bigger life-forms all seeking these same part-atoms to fuel their own particular life-styles...a life-style procured by the coming together of two such invisible part-atoms and, in the process bringing into their cellular arena a chemical behaviour that was easy to replicate by their coming together and subsequently, breaking away from each other, to continue their behaviour next door...or, if called away in an emergency, to anywhere in the body that called them, by pain, frustration, or, desire. All we have to do do now is fit them into the Periodic Table...and there is a place especially prepared for them...Number 0...zilch...zero...the place occupied before hydrogen because they represent an unformed atom...a hydrogen atom in the making but with only a higgs-field...naked...with no nuclear particles, indicating they were snatched out of the furnace too soon. The rest is just induced logic which leads to Jesus Christ.
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NM,
Because the Living-Cell is very atomically aligned it is wise to see that it started life in the same electric furnace that all atoms came from...a star...any star...but most likely our star. It works on the micro scale of things just as atoms do and it is unlikely that, at its birth, it contained any perishable goods, like dna. For life to have become so abundant, in a very quick space of time, we must consider that these cells...part atoms...came here in their trillions and that life abounded in many different shapes and forms before the reduction of their freedom was reduced by becoming bigger and bigger life-forms all seeking these same part-atoms to fuel their own particular life-styles...a life-style procured by the coming together of two such invisible part-atoms and, in the process bringing into their cellular arena a chemical behaviour that was easy to replicate by their coming together and subsequently, breaking away from each other, to continue their behaviour next door...or, if called away in an emergency, to anywhere in the body that called them, by pain, frustration, or. desire. All we have to do do now is fit them into the Periodic Table...and there is a place specially prepared for them...Number 0...zilch...zero. The place occupied before hydrogen because they represent an unformed atom...a hydrogen atom in the making but with only a higgs-field...naked...with no nuclear particles, indicating they were snatched out of the furnace too soon. The rest is just induced logic which leads to Jesus Christ.
Still no science then.
Just out of interest, can you actually read? I ask because I’ve explained to you several times now exactly why definitionally your ramblings cannot be science, and yet you show no sign of having read – let alone comprehended – the problem you’ve given yourself.
If you can read, what are you finding so difficult that you cannot address your problem?
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Because the Living-Cell is very atomically aligned it is wise to see that it started life in the same electric furnace that all atoms came from...a star...any star...but most likely our star. It works on the micro scale of things just as atoms do and it is unlikely that, at its birth, it contained any perishable goods, like dna. For life to have become so abundant, in a very quick space of time, we must consider that these cells...part atoms...came here in their trillions and that life abounded in many different shapes and forms before the reduction of their freedom was reduced by becoming bigger and bigger life-forms all seeking these same part-atoms to fuel their own particular life-styles...a life-style procured by the coming together of two such invisible part-atoms and, in the process bringing into their cellular arena a chemical behaviour that was easy to replicate by their coming together and subsequently, breaking away from each other, to continue their behaviour next door...or, if called away in an emergency, to anywhere in the body that called them, by pain, frustration, or, desire. All we have to do do now is fit them into the Periodic Table...and there is a place especially prepared for them...Number 0...zilch...zero...the place occupied before hydrogen because they represent an unformed atom...a hydrogen atom in the making but with only a higgs-field...naked...with no nuclear particles, indicating they were snatched out of the furnace too soon. The rest is just induced logic which leads to Jesus Christ.
To say that this is trash is an insult to trash.
You can spout it till your non-existant planet hits us and it won't work without evidence, peer reviewed, published evidence.
When are you going to realise this?
Stop trying to delude others into thinking you have a clue what you're talking about, NM. Not only have you no scientific basis for your assertion - if you had, you would have cited real evidence that would stand uo to scrutiny; but your theology is even less secure, being not remotely Biblical.
The only thing your witterings are likely to do is turn folk away from the Gospel.
Is that your intent?
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Nick.
Can you please descibe, accurately and scientifically, what exactly a "part atom" is.
It seems fundamental to your story but you are very un- scientifically vague when it comes to scientific detail.
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Seb,
Nick.
Can you please descibe, accurately and scientifically, what exactly a "part atom" is.
It seems fundamental to your story but you are very un- scientifically vague when it comes to scientific detail.
Sparky can't describe anything accurately or scientifically. That's his problem.
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Because the Living-Cell is very atomically aligned it is wise to see that it started life in the same electric furnace that all atoms came from...a star...any star...but most likely our star. It works on the micro scale of things just as atoms do and it is unlikely that, at its birth, it contained any perishable goods, like dna. For life to have become so abundant, in a very quick space of time, we must consider that these cells...part atoms...came here in their trillions and that life abounded in many different shapes and forms before the reduction of their freedom was reduced by becoming bigger and bigger life-forms all seeking these same part-atoms to fuel their own particular life-styles...a life-style procured by the coming together of two such invisible part-atoms and, in the process bringing into their cellular arena a chemical behaviour that was easy to replicate by their coming together and subsequently, breaking away from each other, to continue their behaviour next door...or, if called away in an emergency, to anywhere in the body that called them, by pain, frustration, or, desire. All we have to do do now is fit them into the Periodic Table...and there is a place especially prepared for them...Number 0...zilch...zero...the place occupied before hydrogen because they represent an unformed atom...a hydrogen atom in the making but with only a higgs-field...naked...with no nuclear particles, indicating they were snatched out of the furnace too soon. The rest is just induced logic which leads to Jesus Christ.
I've cracked it, Sriram's got something with his reincarnation, this post of Nick's, he's a reincarnated Stanley Unwin, have a look at this Wikki link :
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I'm pretty sure this fully explains Nick's posts, problem solved.
Regards to all, ippy and the next question?
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All atoms were formed in a very mechanical way...the same process, over and over again, and their superb electrical patterns the backdrop behind the 'periodic table'. This tells us that wild forces don't make atoms, but rather a course of events that can be scientifically described. That description defines a part-atom as the force that came together on this planet to form life, in all its manifestations. The sun being a terrific force with only marginal scientific understanding is the only and ideal candidate to explain all this phenomena...got to go...dinner time.
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All atoms were formed in a very mechanical way...the same process, over and over again, and their superb electrical patterns the backdrop behind the 'periodic table'. This tells us that wild forces don't make atoms, but rather a course of events that can be scientifically described. That description defines a part-atom as the force that came together on this planet to form life, in all its manifestations. The sun being a terrific force with only marginal scientific understanding is the only and ideal candidate to explain all this phenomena...got to go...dinner time.
Nope.
Sorry Nick but this is just not acceptable either accurately or especially scientifically.
What you described was just waffle, with syrup on.
Common sense tells us that Nick.
The days of proclaiming yourself a scientist Nick, are well and truely up.
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All atoms were formed in a very mechanical way...the same process, over and over again, and their superb electrical patterns the backdrop behind the 'periodic table'. This tells us that wild forces don't make atoms, but rather a course of events that can be scientifically described. That description defines a part-atom as the force that came together on this planet to form life, in all its manifestations. The sun being a terrific force with only marginal scientific understanding is the only and ideal candidate to explain all this phenomena...got to go...dinner time.
Stanley Unwin!
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Stanley Unwin!
I would plump for Bill and Ben myself!
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Stanley Unwin? More like Stanley Laurel.
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I would plump for Bill and Ben myself!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVpJzGeM2p4
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVpJzGeM2p4
Made more sense than Nick's "science"!
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A star doesn't work in isolation...it works along with many other stars, all apparently swirling around a black-hole and these all give us clues to how all the atoms and in particular, the part-atoms were born...You see...if we roll out all the energy contained within the Milky Way into its purest form we would still have a huge dense cloud, of light-year proportions, which consisted of one property and one property alone...a material that is mass-less until, that is, it is spun-up into a swirling field of dynamic energy, travelling at the speed of the expanding universe...and then we get science...a way of explaining everything that happened before hand and everything that has happened since...and it's greatest clues, like it or lump it, are all revealed through the Holy Bible.
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A star doesn't work in isolation...it works along with many other stars, all apparently swirling around a black-hole and these all give us clues to how all the atoms and in particular, the part-atoms were born...You see...if we roll out all the energy contained within the Milky Way into its purest form we would still have a huge dense cloud, of light-year proportions, which consisted of one property and one property alone...a material that is mass-less until, that is, it is spun-up into a swirling field of dynamic energy, travelling at the speed of the expanding universe...and then we get science...a way of explaining everything that happened before hand and everything that has happened since...and it's greatest clues, like it or lump it, are all revealed through the Holy Bible.
The Bible says none of that. Bible authors knew nothing of black holes or cosmic inflation or galaxies. The sky is referred to as a 'firmament', heavens fixed above a flat Earth. There is no evidence that any of these people, Jesus included, understood that the stars were enormous nuclear furnaces or that the sky continued underneath the Earth.
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The Bible says none of that. Bible authors knew nothing of black holes or cosmic inflation or galaxies. The sky is referred to as a 'firmament', heavens fixed above a flat Earth. There is no evidence that any of these people, Jesus included, understood that the stars were enormous nuclear furnaces or that the sky continued underneath the Earth.
We would have to agree to differ on that point...easily provable...because if Jesus wasn't of this world then he was of another world and this implies many things, in particular, that he knew a lot more about the universe than you give him credit. This is why, at these perilous times we should take him very seriously indeed...because the great tribulations we are facing now have been experienced by other, life supporting planets,and the only way to salvation from it all is contained within the accurate teaching of Jesus.
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We would have to agree to differ on that point...easily provable...because if Jesus wasn't of this world then he was of another world and this implies many things, in particular, that he knew a lot more about the universe than you give him credit. This is why, at these perilous times we should take him very seriously indeed...because the great tribulations we are facing now have been experienced by other, life supporting planets,and the only way to salvation from it all is contained within the accurate teaching of Jesus.
Just as deeply flawed and spurious as the previous post from you. Why try to justify one bucketload of drivel with another bucketload of baseless drivel. You are a time waster.
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Just as deeply flawed and spurious as the previous post from you. Why try to justify one bucketload of drivel with another bucketload of baseless drivel. You are a time waster.
You are in denial...it is a regular fault of those with closed minds. The truth is so scientifically obvious for all to see. The universe is much bigger and older than could have been perceived in Jesus Christ's day. Evidence of other universal races of much greater scientific intellect abounds. The fact that Jesus taught us about a scientific property that is invisible, and indestructable, a long time before ether, or dark matter, were scientific by-words....so, there we have it....an open mind releases us from the brain-cramps that stifle our thinking and our health, and which renders us unfit for the new heavens and the new Earth, with the everlasting science that Jesus Christ and Almighty God introduced us to.
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A star doesn't work in isolation...it works along with many other stars, all apparently swirling around a black-hole and these all give us clues to how all the atoms and in particular, the part-atoms were born...You see...if we roll out all the energy contained within the Milky Way into its purest form we would still have a huge dense cloud, of light-year proportions, which consisted of one property and one property alone...a material that is mass-less until, that is, it is spun-up into a swirling field of dynamic energy, travelling at the speed of the expanding universe...and then we get science...a way of explaining everything that happened before hand and everything that has happened since...and it's greatest clues, like it or lump it, are all revealed through the Holy Bible.
Rubbish.
I'm no astronomer, but even I know that;
1) not all stars are paet of galactic clusters;
and
2) Not all galactic clusters are spirals, nor do they revolve round black holes.
Some may, but science - you remember science, don't you? has not and cannot as yet prove that all galactic clusters which have spirals are centred round black holes.
Since this is the state of our knowledge at present, after the first sentence of your post, which is wrong, the rest can be dismissed without reading it....so I haven't read it.
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We would have to agree to differ on that point...easily provable...because if Jesus wasn't of this world then he was of another world and this implies many things, in particular, that he knew a lot more about the universe than you give him credit. This is why, at these perilous times we should take him very seriously indeed...because the great tribulations we are facing now have been experienced by other, life supporting planets,and the only way to salvation from it all is contained within the accurate teaching of Jesus.
Another world?
Hell's bells....Kolob?
Surely not Kolob?
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Another world?
Hell's bells....Kolob?
Surely not Kolob?
Jesus Christ, not me, said...I am not of this world...had I have been that many of God's servants would have risen in my defense.
John 18:36 Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.”
You see...when we are reading a scientific document such as the Holy Bible we must be prepared to pick up little clues which tell us so much truth...and from using this Holy-Book we can lift ourselves out of our brain-cramps which propaganda and emotional mal-practice ensure we become entrapped by...My words...Jesus Christ's accurate teaching.
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Jesus Christ, not me, said...I am not of this world...
Correct in at least one case, and I don't think it was Jesus.
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Jesus Christ, not me, said...I am not of this world...had I have been that many of God's servants would have risen in my defense.
John 18:36 Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.”
You see...when we are reading a scientific document such as the Holy Bible we must be prepared to pick up little clues which tell us so much truth...and from using this Holy-Book we can lift ourselves out of our brain-cramps which propaganda and emotional mal-practice ensure we become entrapped by...My words...Jesus Christ's accurate teaching.
I'm taking SteveH's advice: it is a waste of my time responding to this type of flagrant bilge, Nick, since it only encourages you. So I've decided not to bother any more.
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Correct in at least one case, and I don't think it was Jesus.
Coming back to the part-atom that created living-cells we must embrace a hidden force. A force that science is unable to unravel but is clearly contained within the Holy Bible. A superabundant material, which, in its purest form, is both, invisible, and indestructible...it has always been and always will be. Almighty God is the living voice of all that energy...It made Almighty God himself and Jesus lived by the righteous laws that created Almighty God and this is why he was offered equal status to God...which he declined...knowing that there could only, ever, be, One, True God...owner and absolute, scientific representative of all the 'dynamic energy' in the entire universe, with a son, who is, in God's eyes, equal status, but in the son's eyes, a servant of his father.
Now...the important thing here is that we too can be part of that science...that is if we follow the example of God's son...accurately.
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Jesus Christ, not me, said...I am not of this world...had I have been that many of God's servants would have risen in my defense.
John 18:36 Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.”
You see...when we are reading a scientific document such as the Holy Bible we must be prepared to pick up little clues which tell us so much truth...and from using this Holy-Book we can lift ourselves out of our brain-cramps which propaganda and emotional mal-practice ensure we become entrapped by...My words...Jesus Christ's accurate teaching.
Oh, look, you CAN read stuff other than Revelation.
By the way, it isn't "science" - it's Scripture.
Oh, and try reading it in context, NM....and since you're quoting John, you'll accept what John wrote....Jesus claiming to be God?
Or are you being selective in your misrepresentation, NM?
Remember John is a theological treatise...."In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS God"....that Word became Incarnate as "The Light of men"; we saw Him, "Full of grace and Truth"....That's John chapter 1, NM. It identifies Jesus as God. Not in any way, shape or form separate from God, but God.
It also shows Christ had NO origin...."In the beginning" does not mean Nabiru, Kolob, Qo'nos (That's the Klingon homeworld, by the way) Gallifrey or Mondas.
It means that there was no point of o9rigin for Christ - the Word, God Incarnate.
As Paul puts it in Colossians, He was there before the beginning - before there was any world to belong to.
Basic Christian theology 101.
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I'm taking SteveH's advice: it is a waste of my time responding to this type of flagrant bilge, Nick, since it only encourages you. So I've decided not to bother any more.
That's a shame because when I say follow Jesus Christ, accurately, I am saying it with the same love for mankind that Jesus died showing us...which includes the science of resurrection...and that affects us all in a very deep and meaningful way.
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That's a shame because when I say follow Jesus Christ, accurately, I am saying it with the same love for mankind that Jesus died showing us...which includes the science of resurrection...and that affects us all in a very deep and meaningful way.
There is no science of resurrection.
If you can show me any verse in Scripture - any verse at all - which has 'science' and 'resurrection' in the same sentence, I'll eat a dynamic energy sandwich.
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I'm taking SteveH's advice: it is a waste of my time responding to this type of flagrant bilge, Nick, since it only encourages you. So I've decided not to bother any more.
Join the gang.
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NM,
Coming back to the part-atom that created living-cells we must embrace a hidden force. A force that science is unable to unravel but is clearly contained within the Holy Bible. A superabundant material, which, in its purest form, is both, invisible, and indestructible...it has always been and always will be. Almighty God is the living voice of all that energy...It made Almighty God himself and Jesus lived by the righteous laws that created Almighty God and this is why he was offered equal status to God...which he declined...knowing that there could only, ever, be, One, True God...owner and absolute, scientific representative of all the 'dynamic energy' in the entire universe, with a son, who is, in God's eyes, equal status, but in the son's eyes, a servant of his father.
Now...the important thing here is that we too can be part of that science...that is if we follow the example of God's son...accurately.
Still no science then. If ever you do feel like posting something that contains the components necessary for that term (hypothesis, evidence, testing, theory, falsifiability, publication, peer review etc) let me know. Until then, I'll leave you to your fantabulism and delusions.
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Revelation 22:1-2
1. And he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2. down the middle of its main street. On both sides of the river were trees of life producing 12 crops of fruit, yielding their fruit each month. And the leaves of the trees were for the healing of the nations.
It is God's 'dynamic energy'. It made all the stars and all the atoms when in its densest form, and is the same energy that, its purest form, is Biblically listed as above. It is all around us all the time...it is the same property that extends across space to Heaven...it is the repairing force of all the nations...because we can all attach ourselves to it in a righteous way...and reap its finest fruits...providing we drop our hostility towards it, asap.
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I am also taking Steve's advice where this thread is concerned. If we all stopped responding to NM's daft nonsense, after a while even he might get the message!
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Revelation 22:1-2
1. And he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2. down the middle of its main street. On both sides of the river were trees of life producing 12 crops of fruit, yielding their fruit each month. And the leaves of the trees were for the healing of the nations.
It is God's 'dynamic energy'. It made all the stars and all the atoms when in its densest form, and is the same energy that, its purest form, is Biblically listed as above. It is all around us all the time...it is the same property that extends across space to Heaven...it is the repairing force of all the nations...because we can all attach ourselves to it in a righteous way...and reap its finest fruits...providing we drop our hostility towards it, asap.
The quoted text is not science.
As a matter of fact, most scolars don't see it as prophesy, either....many see allegory there, which, given Revelation as a whole, would not be unsual.
I'm sure if you look at the number 12 quoted there, you'll see why.
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NM,
Revelation 22:1-2
1. And he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2. down the middle of its main street. On both sides of the river were trees of life producing 12 crops of fruit, yielding their fruit each month. And the leaves of the trees were for the healing of the nations.
It is God's 'dynamic energy'. It made all the stars and all the atoms when in its densest form, and is the same energy that, its purest form, is Biblically listed as above. It is all around us all the time...it is the same property that extends across space to Heaven...it is the repairing force of all the nations...because we can all attach ourselves to it in a righteous way...and reap its finest fruits...providing we drop our hostility towards it, asap.
President "Bobby": Mr. Gardner, do you agree with Ben, or do you think that we can stimulate growth through temporary incentives?
[Long pause]
Chance the Gardener: As long as the roots are not severed, all is well. And all will be well in the garden.
President "Bobby": In the garden.
Chance the Gardener: Yes. In the garden, growth has it seasons. First comes spring and summer, but then we have fall and winter. And then we get spring and summer again.
President "Bobby": Spring and summer.
Chance the Gardener: Yes.
President "Bobby": Then fall and winter.
Chance the Gardener: Yes.
Benjamin Rand: I think what our insightful young friend is saying is that we welcome the inevitable seasons of nature, but we're upset by the seasons of our economy.
Chance the Gardener: Yes! There will be growth in the spring!
Benjamin Rand: Hmm!
Chance the Gardener: Hmm!
President "Bobby": Hm. Well, Mr. Gardner, I must admit that is one of the most refreshing and optimistic statements I've heard in a very, very long time.
[Benjamin Rand applauds]
President "Bobby": I admire your good, solid sense. That's precisely what we lack on Capitol Hill.
(“Being There”, 1979)
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There are two ways to absorb Jesus Christ's teaching...either we listen to others and ignore what Jesus says, relying on others to tell us...else we realise that Jesus, himself, was teaching us something very valuable indeed, then scrutinize what Jesus actually said...You then begin to get the feel behind his teaching, and how, when Almighty God says...In the beginning was the 'word' and that 'word' was with God, and the 'word ' was God...and the 'word of God was the light of the world...he is making a statement of scientific fact...That in the beginning Almighty God broke the hidden code of nature...it provided him with answers to all of life's problems, and the answers to all universal problems, as well...especially on the point of resurrection, a part of God's science that Jesus embraced to the max...telling us that if we followed him, we to, would never die. It can only be done by the spiritual mechanics of righteousness and for that we need Jesus Christ's accurate teaching...not the machinations of Satan or iniquity.
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NM,
There are two ways to absorb Jesus Christ's teaching...either we listen to others and ignore what Jesus says, relying on others to tell us...else we realise that Jesus, himself, was teaching us something very valuable indeed, then scrutinize what Jesus actually said...You then begin to get the feel behind his teaching, and how, when Almighty God says...In the beginning was the 'word' and that 'word' was with God, and the 'word ' was God...and the 'word of God was the light of the world...he is making a statement of scientific fact...That in the beginning Almighty God broke the hidden code of nature...it provided him with answers to all of life's problems, and the answers to all universal problems, as well...especially on the point of resurrection, a part of God's science that Jesus embraced to the max...telling us that if we followed him, we to, would never die. It can only be done by the spiritual mechanics of righteousness and for that we need Jesus Christ's accurate teaching...not the machinations of Satan or iniquity.
Still no science then, for the reason I've explained several times now and you keep ignoring: none of your assertions contain any of the characteristics necessary for that term to apply.
Why do you keep ignoring your problem?
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NM,
Still no science then, for the reason I've explained several times now and you keep ignoring: none of your assertions contain any of the characteristics necessary for that term to apply.
Why do you keep ignoring your problem?
Almighty God saw it necessary to write his science in code so that everyone who valued righteousness could embrace his science (word) without bothering too much with anything as boring as scrutinizing every minute detail over very long periods of time whilst satanic forces just ploughed through honesty and decency with barbs and aggression throughout the entire history of science. Identifying a single property,
and its mechanics, that gives us all sciences, may be inconsequential to you but it wont stop the science from working or from being the only salvation on offer when unspecified great tribulations strike this planet...and you are forced to confess that Jesus Christ was right after-all...Don't leave it too late.
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NM,
Almighty God saw it necessary to write his science in code so that everyone who valued righteousness could embrace his science (word) without bothering too much with anything as boring as scrutinizing every minute detail over very long periods of time whilst satanic forces just ploughed through honesty and decency with barbs and aggression throughout the entire history of science. Identifying a single property, and its mechanics, that gives us all sciences, may be inconsequential to you but it wont stop the science from working or from being the only salvation on offer when unspecified great tribulations strike this planet...and you are forced to confess that Jesus Christ was right after-all...Don't leave it too late.
I don’t doubt that you believe all that to be true. Your problem though remains that you claim for these unqualified assertions the status of science, and you cannot do that until and unless you manage to provide any of the characteristics or properties necessary to satisfy the definition of that term. Just saying as you do, “X is science because I say it’s science” takes you not one nanometre in that direction.
This isn’t a problem either of “bothering too much with anything as boring as scrutinizing every minute detail over very long periods of time”. Rather it’s a problem of your abject failure to provide even a scintilla of an iota of a smidgen of a scrap of a trace of a jot of a mite of anything that could be described even remotely as scientific.
Do you see the problem you’ve given yourself now?
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Almighty God saw it necessary to write his science in code so that everyone who valued righteousness could embrace his science (word) without bothering too much with anything as boring as scrutinizing every minute detail over very long periods of time whilst satanic forces just ploughed through honesty and decency with barbs and aggression throughout the entire history of science. Identifying a single property,
and its mechanics, that gives us all sciences, may be inconsequential to you but it wont stop the science from working or from being the only salvation on offer when unspecified great tribulations strike this planet...and you are forced to confess that Jesus Christ was right after-all...Don't leave it too late.
There is NO code in Scripture.
None.
Such a notion is Gnostic and is not Christian.
Simples.
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That in the beginning Almighty God broke the hidden code of nature...it provided him with answers to all of life's problems, and the answers to all universal problems,
You mean God didn't already know - he actually had to find out?
So you're saying that there was a nature already there, and God comes wandering along (possibly from Kolob) and sets to work to break "the hidden code" of something already created? Are you, in your own poetic way, positing the 'Steady State' theory of the universe?
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NM,
President "Bobby": Mr. Gardner, do you agree with Ben, or do you think that we can stimulate growth through temporary incentives?
[Long pause]
Chance the Gardener: As long as the roots are not severed, all is well. And all will be well in the garden.
President "Bobby": In the garden.
Chance the Gardener: Yes. In the garden, growth has it seasons. First comes spring and summer, but then we have fall and winter. And then we get spring and summer again.
President "Bobby": Spring and summer.
Chance the Gardener: Yes.
President "Bobby": Then fall and winter.
Chance the Gardener: Yes.
Benjamin Rand: I think what our insightful young friend is saying is that we welcome the inevitable seasons of nature, but we're upset by the seasons of our economy.
Chance the Gardener: Yes! There will be growth in the spring!
Benjamin Rand: Hmm!
Chance the Gardener: Hmm!
President "Bobby": Hm. Well, Mr. Gardner, I must admit that is one of the most refreshing and optimistic statements I've heard in a very, very long time.
[Benjamin Rand applauds]
President "Bobby": I admire your good, solid sense. That's precisely what we lack on Capitol Hill.
(“Being There”, 1979)
If only Nicholas were so succinct.
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Made more sense than Nick's "science"!
Love it S T, although I'm obviously more serious about science than you are and of course therefore more of a 'Clangers' fan.
Regards ippy.
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Love it S T, although I'm obviously more serious about science than you are and of course therefore more of a 'Clangers' fan.
Regards ippy.
As far as I'm concerned, Clangers fans can go whistle!
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You mean God didn't already know - he actually had to find out?
So you're saying that there was a nature already there, and God comes wandering along (possibly from Kolob) and sets to work to break "the hidden code" of something already created? Are you, in your own poetic way, positing the 'Steady State' theory of the universe?
We know that Almighty God comes from Heaven...we know that in the beginning was the 'word'...we know that Jesus Christ is God's 'word' made flesh. We know that Satan lived in Heaven until he was unceremoniously kicked out for condemning righteousness. We know so much more if we want to read about him. It is all truth so that the skill is making that truth fit science or rather making science fit God's truth. Every calculation, every equation, every scientific constant, every theory, every element of life has to justify God's teaching that it is the result of a wonderful, superabundant dynamic energy that restructured itself to meet every scientific law whether known or as yet unknown...now...boy...is that a wonderful science.
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We know that Almighty God comes from Heaven...we know that in the beginning was the 'word'...we know that Jesus Christ is God's 'word' made flesh. We know that Satan lived in Heaven until he was unceremoniously kicked out for condemning the righteousness. We know so much more if we want to read about him. It is all truth so that the skill is making that truth fit science or rather making science fit God's truth. Every calculation, every equation, every scientific constant, every theory, every element of life has to justify God's teaching that it is the result of a wonderful, superabundant dynamic energy that restructured itself to meet every scientific law whether known or as yet unknown...now...boy...is that a wonderful science.
Which didn't answer my question (which was a direct inference from what you had previously written).
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NM,
We know that Almighty God comes from Heaven...we know that in the beginning was the 'word'...we know that Jesus Christ is God's 'word' made flesh. We know that Satan lived in Heaven until he was unceremoniously kicked out for condemning righteousness. We know so much more if we want to read about him. It is all truth so that the skill is making that truth fit science or rather making science fit God's truth. Every calculation, every equation, every scientific constant, every theory, every element of life has to justify God's teaching that it is the result of a wonderful, superabundant dynamic energy that restructured itself to meet every scientific law whether known or as yet unknown...now...boy...is that a wonderful science.
“We know” no such things – rather these are just personal faith beliefs that you happen to have, however unqualified and incoherent. Your bigger problem though is that you overreach by claiming them to be science when that term has a definition that you fail to satisfy on any possible level.
If you really want to show your assertions to be scientific then, finally, you’ll need to set out at least the basic conditions necessary for that term to apply. Until you do that, your claims have the same status of those of the leprechaunists and the pixicologists, and so you must expect them to be treated accordingly.
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You mean God didn't already know - he actually had to find out?
So you're saying that there was a nature already there, and God comes wandering along (possibly from Kolob) and sets to work to break "the hidden code" of something already created? Are you, in your own poetic way, positing the 'Steady State' theory of the universe?
Definitely not steady state...it all happened as fast as it takes for massive shock-waves to penetrate into deep-space so that all galaxy clouds were sent spinning, hurtling, and swirling away from the epicentre of a hmmm I'll call it a big-bang but, in reality, was a hadron type collision of at least two dense galaxy cores that were set in motion when at least two galaxy mass-less clouds merged together. Almighty God realised this and took ownership of it all saying that he was like a man, who, upon finding gold in a field, sold all that he owned and so, purchased that field. In righteous speak this tells us so much more than the mere words...but it helps if you read about it all yourself.
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NM,
“We know” no such things – rather these are just personal faith beliefs that you happen to have, however unqualified and incoherent. Your bigger problem though is that you overreach by claiming them to be science when that term has a definition that you fail to satisfy on any possible level.
If you really want to show your assertions to be scientific then, finally, you’ll need to set out at least the basic conditions necessary for that term to apply. Until you do that, your claims have the same status of those of the leprechaunists and the pixicologists, and so you must expect them to be treated accordingly.
I have met with the scientific conditions of the highest scientist that has ever roamed this universe...and a few million who have followed his word have shown that it is a repeating science which soothes and calms the genetic excitement that Satan works tirelessly to induce and which will be our first consideration when we come to understand cancer...bullying...and abusive behaviour, no matter where it stems from.
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NM,
I have met with the scientific conditions of the highest scientist that has ever roamed this universe...and a few million who have followed his word have shown that it is a repeating science which soothes and calms the genetic excitement that Satan works tirelessly to induce and which will be our first consideration when we come to understand cancer...bullying...and abusive behaviour, no matter where it stems from.
That’s categorically not true. The conditions necessary for the term “science” to apply entail hypothesis, evidence, testing, theory, falsification, publication, peer review etc. So far as I’m aware, you’ve never once managed to meet any of these conditions and so whatever else your claims and speculations might be, they cannot be science.
Didn’t Jesus have something to say about people who bear false witness?
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NM,
That’s categorically not true. The conditions necessary for the term “science” to apply entail hypothesis, evidence, testing, theory, falsification, publication, peer review etc. So far as I’m aware, you’ve never once managed to meet any of these conditions and so whatever else your claims and speculations might be, they cannot be science.
Didn’t Jesus have something to say about people who bear false witness?
You keep saying that Almighty God has got to comply with mans scientific rules...he doesn't...what he did is write a comprehensive book, over many generations, that contains his science and invites us all to follow it righteously...Those that try find the fruits God and Jesus promise...those that don't, seem to have a big problem with it but it doesn't make them kinder, more loving, caring, responsive individuals though these are the natural traits of good health and happiness and accurate Christian teaching.
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NM,
You keep saying that Almighty God has got to comply with mans scientific rules...he doesn't...what he did is write a comprehensive book, over many generations, that contains his science and invites us all to follow it righteously...Those that try find the fruits God and Jesus promise...those that don't, seem to have a big problem with it but it doesn't make them kinder, more loving, caring, responsive individuals though these are the natural traits of good health and happiness and accurate Christian teaching.
No I don’t. What I’m explaining to you is that words have meanings and definitions, so you cannot just claim them as you please for your assertions unless those assertions satisfy those definitions. If you look up the word “science” for example you’ll find that it doesn’t mean “whatever NM wants it to mean” but instead has a meaning independent of your imaginings (here for example from Wiki: “Science (from Latin scientia, meaning "knowledge") is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe”).
Can you see where you’ve gone wrong now, or do you intend to carry on bearing false witness?
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NM,
No I don’t. What I’m explaining to you is that words have meanings and definitions, so you cannot just claim them as you please for your assertions unless those assertions satisfy those definitions. If you look up the word “science” for example you’ll find that it doesn’t mean “whatever NM wants it to mean” but instead has a meaning independent of your imaginings (here for example from Wiki: “Science (from Latin scientia, meaning "knowledge") is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe”).
Can you see where you’ve gone wrong now, or do you intend to carry on bearing false witness?
If I were bearing false witness I would certainly apologise...but I'm not. My science, which really is God's word, with a modern twist, remains unchanged. He broke the hidden code of nature...Jesus Christ lived that word...poetically called God's 'word' made flesh...and I have given it a modern status built on top of modern science. I have put scientific components inside the atom showing how they vary dependant upon their depth within the star that created them. I have shown how the black-hole at the centre of every galaxy is the swirling force hoovering up dense solar-fields of energy, one after the other, to form a galaxy of stars and I have shown you that gravity is the behaviour of mass when interfering with the original static dimension that lies beneath all the high-speed movement that hurtles through it. No science can do these things because they are flawed...they refuses to accept the honesty and authority of the universe's lead-scientist. But that is insignificant now. We are warned by that head-scientist what lies ahead and how to protect ourselves...failure to follow righteousness means we will fail God's Judgment and righteousness is a science which states that our attitudes are what affects our genetics more than anything else, and following Jesus Christ, accurately, allows God's science to work within us with the possibility of genetic repair and resurrection because it is our spiritual health that determines our genetic health...proven to me in many different ways...but I am not prepared to water down God's word for a scientific method that appeases only the antiChrist.
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If I were bearing false witness I would certainly apologise...but I'm not. My science, which really is God's word, with a modern twist, remains unchanged. He broke the hidden code of nature...Jesus Christ lived that word...poetically called God's 'word' made flesh...and I have given it a modern status built on top of modern science. I have put scientific components inside the atom showing how they vary dependant upon their depth within the star that created them. I have shown how the black-hole at the centre of every galaxy is the swirling force hoovering up dense solar-fields of energy, one after the other, to form a galaxy of stars and I have shown you that gravity is the behaviour of mass when interfering with the original static dimension that lies beneath all the high-speed movement that hurtles through it. No science can do these things because they are flawed...they refuses to accept the honesty and authority of the universe's lead-scientist. But that is insignificant now. We are warned by that head-scientist what lies ahead and how to protect ourselves...failure to follow righteousness means we will fail God's Judgment and righteousness is a science which states that our attitudes are what affects our genetics more than anything else, and following Jesus Christ, accurately, allows God's science to work within us with the possibility of genetic repair and resurrection because it is our spiritual health that determines our genetic health...proven to me in many different ways...but I am not prepared to water down God's word for a scientific method that appeases only the antiChrist.
Which part of
"no-one has yet proven that there is a black hole at the centre of every galaxy" don't you understand?
It's a theory; and as far as I know it only applies to spiral galaxies.
Not every galaxy is a spiral galaxy....vis the Magellanic clouds.
Your theory is thus void unless you can find REAL evidence to substantiate it.
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If I were bearing false witness I would certainly apologise...but I'm not. My science, which really is God's word, with a modern twist, remains unchanged. He broke the hidden code of nature...Jesus Christ lived that word...poetically called God's 'word' made flesh...and I have given it a modern status built on top of modern science. I have put scientific components inside the atom showing how they vary dependant upon their depth within the star that created them. I have shown how the black-hole at the centre of every galaxy is the swirling force hoovering up dense solar-fields of energy, one after the other, to form a galaxy of stars and I have shown you that gravity is the behaviour of mass when interfering with the original static dimension that lies beneath all the high-speed movement that hurtles through it. No science can do these things because they are flawed...they refuses to accept the honesty and authority of the universe's lead-scientist. But that is insignificant now. We are warned by that head-scientist what lies ahead and how to protect ourselves...failure to follow righteousness means we will fail God's Judgment and righteousness is a science which states that our attitudes are what affects our genetics more than anything else, and following Jesus Christ, accurately, allows God's science to work within us with the possibility of genetic repair and resurrection because it is our spiritual health that determines our genetic health...proven to me in many different ways...but I am not prepared to water down God's word for a scientific method that appeases only the antiChrist.
More lies from Mr Marks, you haven't 'shown' us any of the things you claim, all you ever do is make bizarre unsubstantiated claims without any scintilla of justification. That isn't science, it isn't truthfulness, it isn't measured, it is just fantasy seemingly untempered by any desire to communicate with other people on a reasonable basis. You come across as an habitual and persistent liar seemingly suffering from some flavour of grandiose delusion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandiose_delusions (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandiose_delusions)
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There is no escaping the science...evolution proves it...the star formation throughout the universe proves it...the behaviour of the living cell proves it...it all proves that electric/spiritual laws control our existences and this is proven by the way advertisers and propagandists manipulate us through this medium. I am insistent because the main force of proof is issued through Biblical truth and if we have found a way of controlling our own genetic health it should be applauded by everyone...not the least the antiChrist because it offers all those who repent a way back.
Coming back to the living cell...the main thrust of its replicating forces is achieved by two tiny electrical forces coming together and passing through each other. They are invisible and mass-less but carry this unique ability to pull organic material together and form the living cell from it. The proof is in the scientific phases discovered by others but which show the traces of this scientific path as it progresses...From this simple point alone I have proven the scientific veracity of what I am saying and makes those calling me a liar the obvious frauds here.
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NM,
If I were bearing false witness I would certainly apologise...but I'm not. My science, which really is God's word, with a modern twist, remains unchanged. He broke the hidden code of nature...Jesus Christ lived that word...poetically called God's 'word' made flesh...and I have given it a modern status built on top of modern science. I have put scientific components inside the atom showing how they vary dependant upon their depth within the star that created them. I have shown how the black-hole at the centre of every galaxy is the swirling force hoovering up dense solar-fields of energy, one after the other, to form a galaxy of stars and I have shown you that gravity is the behaviour of mass when interfering with the original static dimension that lies beneath all the high-speed movement that hurtles through it. No science can do these things because they are flawed...they refuses to accept the honesty and authority of the universe's lead-scientist. But that is insignificant now. We are warned by that head-scientist what lies ahead and how to protect ourselves...failure to follow righteousness means we will fail God's Judgment and righteousness is a science which states that our attitudes are what affects our genetics more than anything else, and following Jesus Christ, accurately, allows God's science to work within us with the possibility of genetic repair and resurrection because it is our spiritual health that determines our genetic health...proven to me in many different ways...but I am not prepared to water down God's word for a scientific method that appeases only the antiChrist.
What you have done there is to post a series of assertions – doubtless sincerely believed – but you cannot have “shown” anything unless you work out a way to bridge the grand canyon-sized gap between assertion and knowledge. If you want to claim that that anything you have said is science, then you have no choice but to play on science’s turf – you know, all the essential stuff you leave out like evidence and testing and falsifiability and theory and peer review and and and…
Just now all you have is epistemically the same as assertions I may make about the dancing habits of leprechauns. I may deeply, sincerely think my speculations on lerpechaunal terpsichory to be true for you too, but I’ll have provided no reason for you to think that I’m right about that.
And there’s your problem: finally do some actual science rather than just claim to have done it and then – but only then – would you have the possibility at least of being listened to.
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NM,
What you have done there is to post a series of assertions – doubtless sincerely believed – but you cannot have “shown” anything unless you work out a way to bridge the grand canyon-sized gap between assertion and knowledge. If you want to claim that that anything you have said is science, then you have no choice but to play on science’s turf – you know, all the essential stuff you leave out like evidence and testing and falsifiability and theory and peer review and and and…
Just now all you have is epistemically the same as assertions I may make about the dancing habits of leprechauns. I may deeply, sincerely think my speculations on lerpechaunal terpsichory to be true for you too, but I’ll have provided no reason for you to think that I’m right about that.
And there’s your problem: finally do some actual science rather than just claim to have done it and then – but only then – would you have the possibility at least of being listened to.
All the scientific work has been done by others...what I have done is researched their work from many different perspectives and brought it all to an honest, scientific conclusion. It is science that say everything is energy...the Holy Bible says the same thing...I concur with them both.
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NM,
All the scientific work has been done by others...what I have done is researched their work from many different perspectives and brought it all to an honest, scientific conclusion. It is science that say everything is energy...the Holy Bible says the same thing...I concur with them both.
First, given how catastrophically wrong you get even the primary school-level science you attempt (your nonsense about a dark side of the planet, stars becoming less visible, an increase in the incidence of earthquakes etc) you show no sign of having researched any science at all.
Second however, it remains the case that you cannot have brought anything to a “scientific conclusion” unless you finally do some actual science. At best you have some barely understood findings from science that you try to marry with vagaries from an ancient text you think to be “holy”. It’s desperately poor thinking, and it condemns you to being ignored, laughed at or pitied when you do it.
As (presumably) though you’d rather be listened to why not at least find out the basics of the scientific method, and then try to apply them to your speculations? You’ll quickly find that they contain no science at all, but at least you’ll have been honest in the effort rather than remained stuck in your present rut of bearing false witness.
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NM,
First, given how catastrophically wrong you get even the primary school-level science you attempt (your nonsense about a dark side of the planet, stars becoming less visible, an increase in the incidence of earthquakes etc) you show no sign of having researched any science at all.
Second however, it remains the case that you cannot have brought anything to a “scientific conclusion” unless you finally do some actual science. At best you have some barely understood findings from science that you try to marry with vagaries from an ancient text you think to be “holy”. It’s desperately poor thinking, and it condemns you to being ignored, laughed at or pitied when you do it.
As (presumably) though you’d rather be listened to why not at least find out the basics of the scientific method, and then try to apply them to your speculations? You’ll quickly find that they contain no science at all, but at least you’ll have been honest in the effort rather than remained stuck in your present rut of bearing false witness.
Jesus Christ died to show us the most crucial scientific point that defies all scientific thinking thus far...that if we embrace God's science our electrical/spiritual person can be reborn to a new vessel...now...even though by your reasoning it is impossible to detect in a solid scientific way it is the main point of my reasoning...and if you are wise, you would explore this reasoning to the max because it affects you directly. It's all possible because we are primarily spiritual beings born from an indestructible energy that required a genius to scientifically put it all together. Almighty God is that genius and he tells us all about it plainly and honestly...Jesus Christ delivered that science to us in a pure and righteous form and we are given a space to realise the full truth...but the time is coming when only faith will deliver us and all disobedience, hostility, and defiance will be swept away...This is why I encourage you all to read the Holy Bible as a scientific testimony reading it truthfully and accurately...particulary the New Testament.
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NM,
Jesus Christ died to show us the most crucial scientific point that defies all scientific thinking thus far...that if we embrace God's science our electrical/spiritual person can be reborn to a new vessel...now...even though by your reasoning it is impossible to detect in a solid scientific way it is the main point of my reasoning...and if you are wise, you would explore this reasoning to the max because it affects you directly. It's all possible because we are primarily spiritual beings born from an indestructible energy that required a genius to scientifically put it all together. Almighty God is that genius and he tells us all about it plainly and honestly...Jesus Christ delivered that science to us in a pure and righteous form and we are given a space to realise the full truth...but the time is coming when only faith will deliver us and all disobedience, hostility, and defiance will be swept away...This is why I encourage you all to read the Holy Bible as a scientific testimony reading it truthfully and accurately...particulary the New Testament.
Do you remember that I explained to you the problem you give yourself when you make assertions but have no evidence or reasoning to support your claim that those assertions are scientific?
You do? Good. Well you’ve just done it again.
As you’re clearly dishonest for not addressing your problem despite having it explained to you several times now, I’ll leave you to it.
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NM,
Do you remember that I explained to you the problem you give yourself when you make assertions but have no evidence or reasoning to support your claim that those assertions are scientific?
You do? Good. Well you’ve just done it again.
As you’re clearly dishonest for not addressing your problem despite having it explained to you several times now, I’ll leave you to it.
The Holy Bible is built upon honesty...truthfulness...good-will and realisation that evil is a liar and a manipulator. You aren't saying that the Holy Bible doesn't exist are you? Even though you prefer it didn't you can't escape the fact and if you bothered to read it you would find that God is a spirit which means we can be fired by spiritual teaching as well. Propaganda is one of Satan's tools...tell them a pack of lies and insist its the truth. On this basis wars, poverty, ill-health and genetic oppression springs forth and where it is all taking us in this day and age is Satan's last fling before his eviction along with all his henchmen who don't cling to the electric nature of righteousness...That means total and absolute repentance.
Just think...a world with no aggression, no wars, no lies, no deceit and an environment that perpetuates strong genetic health...so much so that it will ultimately deliver everlasting life...It's all in the Holy Bible, written by an authority that doesn't lie...Almighty God and Jesus Christ with the bare-bones of my science scratched into their 'word' as an assembly language to make what is difficult to understand more easy.
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NM,
The Holy Bible is built upon honesty...truthfulness...good-will and realisation that evil is a liar and a manipulator. You aren't saying that the Holy Bible doesn't exist are you? Even though you prefer it didn't you can't escape the fact and if you bothered to read it you would find that God is a spirit which means we can be fired by spiritual teaching as well. Propaganda is one of Satan's tools...tell them a pack of lies and insist its the truth. On this basis wars, poverty, ill-health and genetic oppression springs forth and where it is all taking us in this day and age is Satan's last fling before his eviction along with all his henchmen who don't cling to the electric nature of righteousness...That means total and absolute repentance.
Just think...a world with no aggression, no wars, no lies, no deceit and an environment that perpetuates strong genetic health...so much so that it will ultimately deliver everlasting life...It's all in the Holy Bible, written by an authority that doesn't lie...Almighty God and Jesus Christ with the bare-bones of my science scratched into their 'word' as an assembly language to make what is difficult to understand more easy.
Assertions 1, Science 0
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The Holy Bible is built upon honesty...truthfulness...good-will and realisation that evil is a liar and a manipulator. You aren't saying that the Holy Bible doesn't exist are you? Even though you prefer it didn't you can't escape the fact and if you bothered to read it you would find that God is a spirit which means we can be fired by spiritual teaching as well. Propaganda is one of Satan's tools...tell them a pack of lies and insist its the truth. On this basis wars, poverty, ill-health and genetic oppression springs forth and where it is all taking us in this day and age is Satan's last fling before his eviction along with all his henchmen who don't cling to the electric nature of righteousness...That means total and absolute repentance.
Just think...a world with no aggression, no wars, no lies, no deceit and an environment that perpetuates strong genetic health...so much so that it will ultimately deliver everlasting life...It's all in the Holy Bible, written by an authority that doesn't lie...Almighty God and Jesus Christ with the bare-bones of my science scratched into their 'word' as an assembly language to make what is difficult to understand more easy.
Why did I read this?
It makes me want a paracetamol and it it's just gone noon.
Yes, the Bible Exists....thank God.
No; the Bible is not science, has never claimed to be science, never will be science and should not be conflated with science.
Yes; The Bible is - simplistically - about 'good and evil'.
No; good and evil have diddly squat to do with electrical genetical black holes or whatever your latesy fad is.
You can spout this diatribe till Nabiru sprouts chicken-shaped palm trees and, untill you provide solid, veriafiable, peer reviewed evidence to substantiate it, your posts are about as useful as a snowflake in a blast furnace.
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All the scientific work has been done by others...what I have done is researched their work from many different perspectives and brought it all to an honest, scientific conclusion. It is science that say everything is energy...the Holy Bible says the same thing...I concur with them both.
Nick I've just read through another couple of your daft assertion full, bereft of viable evidenced content and a thought came to mind, you'd learn more about science if you watched a few editions of the Clangers and it would be far more advanced science than all of the stuff you you come out with on this thread that you seem to think is science.
Regards ippy
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Nick I've just read through another couple of your daft assertion full, bereft of viable evidenced content and a thought came to mind, you'd learn more about science if you watched a few editions of the Clangers and it would be far more advanced science than all of the stuff you you come out with on this thread that you seem to think is science.
Regards ippy
The Iron Chicken rules.
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Almighty God realised this and took ownership of it all saying that he was like a man, who, upon finding gold in a field, sold all that he owned and so, purchased that field. In righteous speak this tells us so much more than the mere words...but it helps if you read about it all yourself.
Well, believe it or not, I have read quite a bit of the Bible. And I've certainly read the first pages many times. There it simply says "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth". What it does not say is "God took ownership of the universe"' let alone "he broke open the code of nature".
You're totally misrepresenting both the Bible and science. If you want to be taken seriously as a spiritual teacher, you would do well a) to get a reputable translation of the Bible b) not to deliberately misquote it.
And last but not least c) Learn some real science.
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The Iron Chicken rules.
As one scientist to another Anchor_______________
Regards ippy.
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Well, believe it or not, I have read quite a bit of the Bible. And I've certainly read the first pages many times. There it simply says "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth". What it does not say is "God took ownership of the universe"' let alone "he broke open the code of nature".
You're totally misrepresenting both the Bible and science. If you want to be taken seriously as a spiritual teacher, you would do well a) to get a reputable translation of the Bible b) not to deliberately misquote it.
And last but not least c) Learn some real science.
I will help you...In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth. Picasso created a few things but he didn't create the brushes the canvas or the paints. He may have contributed towards the making of his tools but only in as much as they were already there. Almighty God qualifies this point in John...In the beginning was the 'word'...the science that endorsed and proved God's creation. The subtle difference between God and Picasso's creativity though is that by refining his science God made himself an indestructible, living limb...the Holy Voice, behind all he had created. How is this done, you might ask? Well Jesus Christ showed us how God's conversion from flesh to spirit was achieved...so that we have two accounts of the same science behind resurrection...Once in Heaven and once on Earth.
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I will help you...In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth. Picasso created a few things but he didn't create the brushes the canvas or the paints. He may have contributed towards the making of his tools but only in as much as they were already there. Almighty God qualifies this point in John...In the beginning was the 'word'...the science that endorsed and proved God's creation. The subtle difference between God and Picasso's creativity though is that by refining his science God made himself an indestructible, living limb...the Holy Voice, behind all he had created. How is this done, you might ask? Well Jesus Christ showed us how God's conversion from flesh to spirit was achieved...so that we have two accounts of the same science behind resurrection...Once in Heaven and once on Earth.
Assertion 2, Science 0
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I will help you...In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth. Picasso created a few things but he didn't create the brushes the canvas or the paints. He may have contributed towards the making of his tools but only in as much as they were already there. Almighty God qualifies this point in John...In the beginning was the 'word'...the science that endorsed and proved God's creation. The subtle difference between God and Picasso's creativity though is that by refining his science God made himself an indestructible, living limb...the Holy Voice, behind all he had created. How is this done, you might ask? Well Jesus Christ showed us how God's conversion from flesh to spirit was achieved...so that we have two accounts of the same science behind resurrection...Once in Heaven and once on Earth.
In the Beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS God."
There you go. John 1:1 from a REAL translation; translated by those skilled in the SCIENCE - repeat SCIENCE - of linguistics.
The chapter goes on to show that the Logos - the Word - God - became flesh and lived among us.
No pseudoscienti
fic trash.
The ACCURATE teaching of Jesus Christ - the Word - God Incarnate.
There you go, NM.
Ditch the neoGnostic gloop, would you,please?
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In the Beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS God."
There you go. John 1:1 from a REAL translation; translated by those skilled in the SCIENCE - repeat SCIENCE - of linguistics.
The chapter goes on to show that the Logos - the Word - God - became flesh and lived among us.
No pseudoscienti
fic trash.
The ACCURATE teaching of Jesus Christ - the Word - God Incarnate.
There you go, NM.
Ditch the neoGnostic gloop, would you,please?
The accurate word or teaching or the following thereof, of Jesus Christ, is my complete and absolute message...anyone following these principles are following the science of righteousness. There is no hatred or ridicule or besmirching in that message, so how come many who claim to be following Jesus speak with forked tongue.
The science is there for all to see and we are playing into the hands of the antiChrist when we use their arguments to justify the oppression of truth. The truth is that Jesus Christ is the son of Almighty God who was resurrected and the reason he did it was to show us a science that, until now, defied our understanding. A single electric force that was churned up into a massive cloud of energy hurtling and spirelling through space cannot possibly be sterile...void, without a massive scientific story to tell...and what does the magnificent author of that story say...he humbly states...In the beginning He created the heavens and the Earth.
The universe is filled with science and uncovering that science in the time allowed has proven to be impossible without Biblical teaching and in particular the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...and if we refuse to believe Jesus we are refusing to be saved.
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The accurate word or teaching or the following thereof, of Jesus Christ, is my complete and absolute message...anyone following these principles are following the science of righteousness. There is no hatred or ridicule or besmirching in that message, so how come many who claim to be following Jesus speak with forked tongue.
The science is there for all to see and we are playing into the hands of the antiChrist when we use their arguments to justify the oppression of truth. The truth is that Jesus Christ is the son of Almighty God who was resurrected and the reason he did it was to show us a science that, until now, defied our understanding. A single electric force that was churned up into a massive cloud of energy hurtling and spirelling through space cannot possibly be sterile...void, without a massive scientific story to tell...and what does the magnificent author of that story say...he humbly states...In the beginning He created the heavens and the Earth.
The universe is filled with science and uncovering that science in the time allowed has proven to be impossible without Biblical teaching and in particular the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...and if we refuse to believe Jesus we are refusing to be saved.
If you claim to follow Christ accurately, you mustaccept an accurate translation ofScripture.
Whichever way you try to dodge it, any accurate reading of John chapter one shows Jesus identified as God.
To deny this is to divorce yourself from Christian thinking....those 'millions of Christians' you bang on about recogninse Christ as God Incarnate, and Scripture as set down without pseudoscientific tripe and neoGnostic witterings for which you provide not one single link to verifiable, peer reviewed evidence.
Is it any wonder that, since you cannot - or will not - provide such substantiating evidence, that we treat your fantasies with disdain?
How many times have we asked you for evidence, only to receive yet more unsubstantiated witterings?
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NM,
The accurate word or teaching or the following thereof, of Jesus Christ, is my complete and absolute message...anyone following these principles are following the science of righteousness. There is no hatred or ridicule or besmirching in that message, so how come many who claim to be following Jesus speak with forked tongue.
The science is there for all to see and we are playing into the hands of the antiChrist when we use their arguments to justify the oppression of truth. The truth is that Jesus Christ is the son of Almighty God who was resurrected and the reason he did it was to show us a science that, until now, defied our understanding. A single electric force that was churned up into a massive cloud of energy hurtling and spirelling through space cannot possibly be sterile...void, without a massive scientific story to tell...and what does the magnificent author of that story say...he humbly states...In the beginning He created the heavens and the Earth.
The universe is filled with science and uncovering that science in the time allowed has proven to be impossible without Biblical teaching and in particular the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...and if we refuse to believe Jesus we are refusing to be saved.
Still not one scrap of science in your speculations then I see. Ah well.
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If you claim to follow Christ accurately, you mustaccept an accurate translation ofScripture.
Whichever way you try to dodge it, any accurate reading of John chapter one shows Jesus identified as God.
To deny this is to divorce yourself from Christian thinking....those 'millions of Christians' you bang on about recogninse Christ as God Incarnate, and Scripture as set down without pseudoscientific tripe and neoGnostic witterings for which you provide not one single link to verifiable, peer reviewed evidence.
Is it any wonder that, since you cannot - or will not - provide such substantiating evidence, that we treat your fantasies with disdain?
How many times have we asked you for evidence, only to receive yet more unsubstantiated witterings?
If we read Jesus accurately we find there is a bigger truth wrapped up in his teaching...
I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. 1 (Corinthians 3:2)
I am feeding you with the 'meat'...the science behind righteousness...The structure behind the entire Book of Almighty God, using modern science for my observations, calculations, anticipations, and expectations...if the meat is too bitter I suggest we follow Jesus Christ accurately and thereby temper the full meaning of the science, in an honest, respectable, righteous way...but please avoid iniquity...that is a mill-stone inflicted by Satan.
It should never be a burden to follow Jesus accurately other than reading his word and interpreting it honestly, openly, and righteously. Ignoring him breeds the world that we are living in today and frankly, it is deplorable.
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NM,
Still not one scrap of science in your speculations then I see. Ah well.
Assertions 3, Science 0.
Read the above post...My science sits on top of the worlds sciences. That means that I have researched their observations and find it fits in nicely with Biblical teaching if we look at it all righteously. How you can be surrounded by energy and say it didn't exist in a purer state beforehand defies all logic as well as all science. Even renowned scientists have agreed. No...your denial indicates to me that you are supporting a dogmatic reasoning that doesn't fit in with righteousness or science.
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If we read Jesus accurately we find there is a bigger truth wrapped up in his teaching...
I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. 1 (Corinthians 3:2)
I am feeding you with the 'meat'...the science behind righteousness...The structure behind the entire Book of Almighty God, using modern science for my observations, calculations, anticipations, and expectations...if the meat is too bitter I suggest we follow Jesus Christ accurately and thereby temper the full meaning of the science, in an honest, respectable, righteous way...but please avoid iniquity...that ia a mill-stone inflicted by Satan.
It should never be a burden to follow Jesus accurately other than reading his word and interpreting it honestly, openly, and righteously. Ignoring him breeds the world that we are living in today and frankly, it is deplorable.
Using modern science?
Where?
Where's your evidence?
Where are the links?
You have posted falsehood after falsehood, with not one single link to substantiate your 'research'.
Real research depends on using the available evidence to create a theory.
OK....where's your evidence?
Post it, or stop writing stuff which has no basis in either science or theology.
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Using modern science?
Where?
Where's your evidence?
Where are the links?
You have posted falsehood after falsehood, with not one single link to substantiate your 'research'.
Real research depends on using the available evidence to create a theory.
OK....where's your evidence?
Post it, or stop writing stuff which has no basis in either science or theology.
If the research wasn't so huge, so diversified, and so technical...I would indeed break it down into elements of easier to understand parts...but the Holy Bible says that time is against us...and there is a deep and scientifically satisfying teaching hidden in plain sight...It is the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ and reading about it honestly, openly, individually and realising it is all truth is a much more constructive way of doing things. The only exception to this are the innocent who are automatically considered righteous by default.
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If the research wasn't so huge, so diversified, and so technical...I would indeed break it down into elements of easier to understand parts...but the Holy Bible says that time is against us...and there is a deep and scientifically satisfying teaching hidden in plain sight...It is the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ and reading about it honestly, openly, individually and realising it is all truth is a much more constructive way of doing things. The only exception to this are the innocent who are automatically considered righteous by default.
There isn't any research to support your wilder claims. Do yourself a favour, stop lying and start engaging honestly with people.
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There isn't any research to support your wilder claims. Do yourself a favour, stop lying and start engaging honestly with people.
Wot Gordon said.
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There isn't any research to support your wilder claims. Do yourself a favour, stop lying and start engaging honestly with people.
I think you are doing a bluehillside on me...but even so here is the truth. Science calls it a big-bang but cannot justify how all the energy contained in the universe sprang from their singularity. I say, we must look beyond the big-bang. That there is a superabundant energy that has always been and always will be. It drifted around space...gathering into huge, dense galaxy bearing clouds, of light-year proportions. Before the big-bang there must have been a static universe...same space...same energy but no time what-so-ever...this all changed when neighbouring clouds drifted into each other...their extremely dense cores set upon claiming the centre position causing a massive collision which split the universe into two dimensions and from this all science sprung into life and the supporting evidence is contained within the Holy Bible.
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I think you are doing a bluehillside on me...but even so here is the truth. Science calls it a big-bang but cannot justify how all the energy contained in the universe sprang from their singularity. I say, we must look beyond the big-bang. That there is a superabundant energy that has always been and always will be. It drifted around space...gathering into huge, dense galaxy bearing clouds, of light-year proportions. Before the big-bang there must have been a static universe...same space...same energy but no time what-so-ever...this all changed when neighbouring clouds drifted into each other...their extremely dense cores set upon claiming the centre position causing a massive collision which split the universe into two dimensions and from this all science sprung into life and the supporting evidence is contained within the Holy Bible.
WHERE'S
YOUR
EVIDENCE?
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I think you are doing a bluehillside on me...but even so here is the truth. Science calls it a big-bang but cannot justify how all the energy contained in the universe sprang from their singularity. I say, we must look beyond the big-bang. That there is a superabundant energy that has always been and always will be. It drifted around space...gathering into huge, dense galaxy bearing clouds, of light-year proportions. Before the big-bang there must have been a static universe...same space...same energy but no time what-so-ever...this all changed when neighbouring clouds drifted into each other...their extremely dense cores set upon claiming the centre position causing a massive collision which split the universe into two dimensions and from this all science sprung into life and the supporting evidence is contained within the Holy Bible.
Fantasy with no basis in science or scripture. An honest reading of scripture without exaggeration or distortion reveals an understanding of cosmology that is consistent with the times and culture of the ancient Hebrews. They believed in a static and flat Earth with heavens above, a geocentric cosmological model. We now know, this is wrong, of course.
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NM,
Read the above post...My science sits on top of the worlds sciences. That means that I have researched their observations and find it fits in nicely with Biblical teaching if we look at it all righteously. How you can be surrounded by energy and say it didn't exist in a purer state beforehand defies all logic as well as all science. Even renowned scientists have agreed. No...your denial indicates to me that you are supporting a dogmatic reasoning that doesn't fit in with righteousness or science.
First your repeated howlers about even primary school-level science tells us that you don't have the first clue about what science actually tells us. You have researched nothing, and certainly you have understood none of it even if you have.
Second, science isn't just an accumulation of knowledge - it's a process that I've explained several times to you now but about which you seem to be blissfuly unaware nonetheless. If you want to claim your speculations and assertions to be science, then you have to apply that process to them. Just saying "it's science" is ludicrous.
Third, actual science doesn't "fit with" bible teaching at all. Rather science is indifferent to biblical claims (as it is to the claims of other supposedly holy texts) because none of them offer anything with which the tools of science can engage.
Fourth, "righteous" is just a vapid term you like to use but it has no part to play in science (or in epistemology for that matter). Facts and evidence are facts an evidence regardless of how "righteous" you may tell yourself you are.
Fifth, accusing me of "supporting a dogmatic reasoning that doesn't fit in with righteousness or science" is just more lying. Nothing can "fit with righteousness" because that's just a piece of stupidity you like to throw around without bothering to define it, and telling me that I don't "fit in with science" is a bizarre reversal of the facts as it's me who's explaing to you what that term actually entails and you who proceeds in your profound ignorance of it nonetheless.
Apart from all that though...
Assertions 4, Science 0.
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NM,
If the research wasn't so huge, so diversified, and so technical...I would indeed break it down into elements of easier to understand parts...but the Holy Bible says that time is against us...and there is a deep and scientifically satisfying teaching hidden in plain sight...It is the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ and reading about it honestly, openly, individually and realising it is all truth is a much more constructive way of doing things. The only exception to this are the innocent who are automatically considered righteous by default.
You haven't done any research. Stop lying.
Assertions 5, Science 0.
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WHERE'S
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EVIDENCE?
The evidence begins with sciences complete fabrication of the facts. That their singularity, from which they elevate their own reasoning and authority, has no justification...which makes my honest rendition, extracted from the Holy Bible, more plausible. By bhsR's reasoning, me (1) Science (0).
No...the propagation of intense shock-waves pervaded the static universe and these mass-less clouds of dense energy were quickly spinning away from the epicentre...internally swirling up into many multi-headed tornado forces, of galaxy size, and proportions, and every eye of every tornado was sucking in even denser balls of energy and swirling them up their columns, one after the other, before, centrifugally, releasing them out into space and into the galaxy formation they exist in today...and science can't argue against it because all the evidence says the same thing. There are two types of galaxy which means that some were constructed in this way, and some by colliding into neighbouring clouds...just as the original forces did.
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The evidence begins with sciences complete fabrication of the facts. That their singularity, from which they elevate their own reasoning and authority, has no justification...which makes my honest rendition, extracted from the Holy Bible, more plausible. By bhsR's reasoning, me (1) Science (0).
No...the propagation of intense shock-waves pervaded the static universe and these mass-less clouds of dense energy were quickly spinning away from the epicentre...internally swirling up into many multi-headed tornado forces, of galaxy size, and proportions, and every eye of every tornado was sucking in even denser balls of energy and swirling them up their columns, one after the other, before, centrifugally, releasing them out into space and into the galaxy formation they exist in today...and science can't argue against it because all the evidence says the same thing. There are two types of galaxy which means that some were constructed in this way, and some by colliding into neighbouring clouds...just as the original forces did.
This is not evidence, this is assertion.
On what EVIDENCE do you base your assertion?
Links, please.
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Well done, Sparky!
Now that you've proved that every scientist in the world is lying through his and her teeth and none of the internationally acclaimed cosmologists know anything and are taking their salaries under false pretenses, you will go down in history as the greatest mind of them all!
Or maybe not.
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NM,
The evidence begins with sciences complete fabrication of the facts. That their singularity, from which they elevate their own reasoning and authority, has no justification...which makes my honest rendition, extracted from the Holy Bible, more plausible. By bhsR's reasoning, me (1) Science (0).
So now you're accusing the scientists working in the field of "complete fabrication" despite the fact that they rely on facts and evidence and observation and testable theories, whereas all you have is mindless assertion.
Oh, and you've completely misrepresented my reasoning too.
Nice.
No...the propagation of intense shock-waves pervaded the static universe and these mass-less clouds of dense energy were quickly spinning away from the epicentre...internally swirling up into many multi-headed tornado forces, of galaxy size, and proportions, and every eye of every tornado was sucking in even denser balls of energy and swirling them up their columns, one after the other, before, centrifugally, releasing them out into space and into the galaxy formation they exist in today...and science can't argue against it because all the evidence says the same thing. There are two types of galaxy which means that some were constructed in this way, and some by colliding into neighbouring clouds...just as the original forces did.
Total gibberish. Seek help.
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NM,
So now you're accusing the scientists working in the field of "complete fabrication" despite the fact that they rely on facts and evidence and observation and testable theories, whereas all you have is mindless assertion.
Oh, and you've completely misrepresented my reasoning too.
Nice.
Total gibberish. Seek help.
I know that there is no appeasing you...The more I say, the more you will snarl and bluster, with rhetorical hostility. It is obeying emotional laws which Jesus Christ guides us away from because it is harmful. But I have a job to do...and, perhaps, those teetering on the edge, and who are hearing what I am saying will know that the accidental nature of space, and the not so accidental nature of man, are preparing for a huge Biblically prophesied event, and repentance is the best advice on offer.
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NM,
I know that there is no appeasing you...
Of course there is. You could easily “appease” me (and anyone else possessed of a functioning intellect) if you’d just listen to what’s being explained to you and act on it. You could for example finally try at least to demonstrate some application of the scientific method to your claims and assertions
The more I say, the more you will snarl and bluster, with rhetorical hostility.
I do none of those things – I simply dismantle your idiocy and hopelessness with reason.
It is obeying emotional laws which Jesus Christ guides us away from because it is harmful.
There's no such thing as “emotional laws” – that’s just more nonsense that you’ve made up.
But I have a job to do...and, perhaps, those teetering on the edge, and who are hearing what I am saying will know that the accidental nature of space, and the not so accidental nature of man, are preparing for a huge Biblically prophesied event, and repentance is the best advice on offer.
Only if those people are very credulous – the rest of us though can identify that you’re either delusional or dishonest. Or both.
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NM,
Of course there is. You could easily “appease” me (and anyone else possessed of a functioning intellect) if you’d just listen to what’s being explained to you and act on it. You could for example finally try at least to demonstrate some application of the scientific method to your claims and assertions
I do none of those things – I simply dismantle your idiocy and hopelessness with reason.
There's no such thing as “emotional laws” – that’s just more nonsense that you’ve made up.
Only if those people are very credulous – the rest of us though can identify that you’re either delusional or dishonest. Or both.
Hmmm...No such things as emotional laws? Tell that to all those who are bullied on a regular basis...How it leaves them drained and defenceless. How the bully tricks and deceives to appease an inner emotional need. The same emotional laws that are often portrayed as being more painful than serious physical injury.
Your reluctance to accept the science because you don't understand it just tells us how divorced you are from Biblical speak. Jesus alone talks of the genetic response that a healthier attitude breeds...he says ignore the injury but safeguard your emotional strength...not in those words, but in these words, that if someone hits you in the face, turn the other cheek.
Now...religion perpetuates Christian love, caring and kindness whilst those with no interest make silly quotes like the footnote about Arthur C Clarke's which says religion isn't required for a good attitude, but, without Jesus Christ's teaching why is there a global congregation, a global, cancerous tumour, of the most appalling attitudes conceivable.
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NM
read a book called 'The Weather Experts' by Peter Moore about the pioneers in the world of meteorology and then come back and tell us what you think of it.
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NM
read a book called 'The Weather Experts' by Peter Moore about the pioneers in the world of meteorology and then come back and tell us what you think of it.
I read the Holy Bible and tell you what I think...and it isn't good...for any of us...but we can be protected and guarded against its worst prophecy by taking in the spiritual laws of righteousness which is hewn from God's spiritual laws that control the universe...largely through the strict scientific behaviour that is offered by an invisible, superabundant, spiritual energy, that is the hidden force behind everything.
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NM
read a book called 'The Weather Experts' by Peter Moore about the pioneers in the world of meteorology and then come back and tell us what you think of it.
NM's posts are more to do with the parts that have been removed to create a wether.
Regards ippy
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NM
read a book called 'The Weather Experts' by Peter Moore about the pioneers in the world of meteorology and then come back and tell us what you think of it.
Out of courtesy I have read the introduction to this book from Amazon. It seems that Robert Fitzroy was the main pioneer here...who, incidentally, committed suicide. This is a problem many scientists, over the ages, have felt compelled to do. It's because in the robustness of their inquiries they burn themselves out emotionally and like all sufferers of emotional exhaustion, felt totally let down, unable to face his critics, and devoid of self-care. He could have continued his studies if he had marked time and trusted in the teaching of Jesus Christ to guide him...but that wasn't to be. What good is a science to a scientist, if, even though he may be on the right track, feels compelled to end it all. Science without Almighty God is a poor bed-mate.
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NM,
Hmmm...No such things as emotional laws? Tell that to all those who are bullied on a regular basis...How it leaves them drained and defenceless. How the bully tricks and deceives to appease an inner emotional need. The same emotional laws that are often portrayed as being more painful than serious physical injury.
This’ll be lost on you, but that’s an error in thinking called a non sequitur. That bullying is emotionally damaging does not mean that there’s such a thing as “emotional laws”. You’d have all your work ahead of you do show that such laws exist.
Your reluctance to accept the science because you don't understand it just tells us how divorced you are from Biblical speak. Jesus alone talks of the genetic response that a healthier attitude breeds...he says ignore the injury but safeguard your emotional strength...not in those words, but in these words, that if someone hits you in the face, turn the other cheek.
Stop lying. I don’t refuse “to accept the science because (I) don't understand it” at all. What I actually do is refuse to accept your spurious claim to science on the reasonable grounds that you’re entirely indifferent to (or unaware of) the characteristics necessary for the status "science" to apply. “It makes sense in my head” (which is all you have) does not make something science: observation, hypothesis, evidence, testing, theory, peer review, publication etc on the other hand – none of which you have – does. And that’s your problem.
Now...
You can’t have a “now” when your prior effort has just collapsed in a heap.
…religion perpetuates Christian love, caring and kindness…
Some does, some doesn’t. In either case though it doesn't invent it.
…whilst those with no interest…
No interest in what?
…make silly quotes like the footnote about Arthur C Clarke's which says religion isn't required for a good attitude, but, without Jesus Christ's teaching why is there a global congregation, a global, cancerous tumour, of the most appalling attitudes conceivable.
There isn’t “a global congregation, a global, cancerous tumour, of the most appalling attitudes conceivable” – that’s just something else you’ve made up.
So which fundamentally are you would you say – delusional or dishonest?
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Out of courtesy I have read the introduction to this book from Amazon. It seems that Robert Fitzroy was the main pioneer here...who, incidentally, committed suicide. This is a problem many scientists, over the ages, have felt compelled to do. It's because in the robustness of their inquiries they burn themselves out emotionally and like all sufferers of emotional exhaustion, felt totally let down, unable to face his critics, and devoid of self-care. He could have continued his studies if he had marked time and trusted in the teaching of Jesus Christ to guide him...but that wasn't to be. What good is a science to a scientist, if, even though he may be on the right track, feels compelled to end it all. Science without Almighty God is a poor bed-mate.
Except of course Fitzroy was a Christian too. A very vociferous one. But you want to piss on his grave.
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For anyone who doesn't know of Fitzroy, he was a fascinating character.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_FitzRoy
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NS,
But you want to piss on his grave.
That's Nicholas for you. He also all but says that people with cancer have no-one to blame but themselves for not following the practices of his (entirely un-evidenced and logic free) superstitions. It's contemptible stuff, and the best gloss I can put on it is to assume that he's utterly lacking in empathy rather than downright nasty.
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That's Nicholas for you. He also all but says that people with cancer have no-one to blame but themselves for not following the practices of his (entirely un-evidenced and logic free) superstitions. It's contemptible stuff, and the best gloss I can put on it is to assume that he's utterly lacking in empathy rather than downright nasty.
I wouldn't rely on your own thoughts on this matter. Clearly you cannot see what many people have seen and testify to. I did say Nearly Sane that I had briefly glanced over an introduction to Fitzroy's teaching and am still convinced that whilst following a form of Christianity it certainly wasn't the teaching which tells us to upbuild a righteous spirit, within us, as our first priority.
What is really unbelievable is that a science drawn from the Holy Bible with references of self-help written on every page is rejected by those who need its help the most...still...science , like Almighty God and Jesus Christ won't go away because we don't like it...though there is the option that it will pass us by in a negative way if we can't conform to righteous teaching.
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Out of courtesy I have read the introduction to this book from Amazon. It seems that Robert Fitzroy was the main pioneer here...who, incidentally, committed suicide. This is a problem many scientists, over the ages, have felt compelled to do. It's because in the robustness of their inquiries they burn themselves out emotionally and like all sufferers of emotional exhaustion, felt totally let down, unable to face his critics, and devoid of self-care. He could have continued his studies if he had marked time and trusted in the teaching of Jesus Christ to guide him...but that wasn't to be. What good is a science to a scientist, if, even though he may be on the right track, feels compelled to end it all. Science without Almighty God is a poor bed-mate.
So what about committe Christian W.M. Flinders Petrie, who pioneered stratification archaeology, pottery dating, and in the process proved that the Biblical account of Israel in Egypt wasn't accurate history? He wasn't consumed by guilt, or 'emotional law' tripe - but remained a committed Christian till his last breath. And, NM. he was a REAL scientist - using REAL, hands-on evidence, every scrap of which he published , to verify his hypothesis. You, on the other hand, seem to be a neognostic fantasist who wouldn't know what evidence was if it fell on you like a non-existant planet. Here's Petrie's entry on Wiki. Oh, and, by the way, this is what we call 'evidence'. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flinders_Petrie
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I wouldn't rely on your own thoughts on this matter. Clearly you cannot see what many people have seen and testify to. I did say Nearly Sane that I had briefly glanced over an introduction to Fitzroy's teaching and am still convinced that whilst following a form of Christianity it certainly wasn't the teaching which tells us to upbuild a righteous spirit, within us, as our first priority.
What is really unbelievable is that a science drawn from the Holy Bible with references of self-help written on every page is rejected by those who need its help the most...still...science , like Almighty God and Jesus Christ won't go away because we don't like it...though there is the option that it will pass us by in a negative way if we can't conform to righteous teaching.
You haven't addressed any comments on Fitzroy to me. Further there was nothing said by you about Fitzroy's christianity until this post. You continue to piss on his grave.
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NM,
I wouldn't rely on your own thoughts on this matter. Clearly you cannot see what many people have seen and testify to. I did say Nearly Sane that I had briefly glanced over an introduction to Fitzroy's teaching and am still convinced that whilst following a form of Christianity it certainly wasn't the teaching which tells us to upbuild a righteous spirit, within us, as our first priority.
What is really unbelievable is that a science drawn from the Holy Bible with references of self-help written on every page is rejected by those who need its help the most...still...science , like Almighty God and Jesus Christ won't go away because we don't like it...though there is the option that it will pass us by in a negative way if we can't conform to righteous teaching.
No, the only thing that's "unbelievable" here is your persistence in claiming your assertions and speculations to be "science" when you fail utterly to marry them to even the most basic conditions necessary for that term to apply. That makes you either a fantasist or a liar, or a bit of both. There is no other option.
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Your course, nasty and irreverent language says it all. Christians are denied that hostility...we must turn the other cheek. This might give you the opinion of weakness but it's more a question of meekness...following our leader...Jesus Christ...who tells us to expect this reaction...especially from the antiChrist.
You have failed miserably to see that an invisible force is at work here...a force that reaches right back to Heaven...a force that has a science and an owner, a teacher, and a wonderful ability to repair and resurrect those who adhere to the science. You gloss over obvious and wonderful facts like the cancer cell is obeying the same science that bullies adhere to...snatching this invisible emotional energy from neighbours and magnifying their own wild and uncontrolled lifestyles by repeating the same wild genetic pattern over and over again. It's of no consequence to me if you all finish up in the fiery lake of sulphur...you will be quickly forgotten about, but those who make the effort to be saved in the accurate way Jesus taught us are like brothers and sisters to me and will be eternally grateful to Almighty God's and Jesus Christ's righteous science...You could be one of that number...but it requires reading the Holy Bible.
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Your course, nasty and irreverent language says it all. Christians are denied that hostility...we must turn the other cheek. This might give you the opinion of weakness but it's more a question of meekness...following our leader...Jesus Christ...who tells us to expect this reaction...especially from the antiChrist.
You have failed miserably to see that an invisible force is at work here...a force that reaches right back to Heaven...a force that has a science and an owner, a teacher, and a wonderful ability to repair and resurrect those who adhere to the science. You gloss over obvious and wonderful facts like the cancer cell is obeying the same science that bullies adhere to...snatching this invisible emotional energy from neighbours and magnifying their own wild and uncontrolled lifestyles by repeating the same wild genetic pattern over and over again. It's of no consequence to me if you all finish up in the fiery lake of sulphur...you will be quickly forgotten about, but those who make the effort to be saved in the accurate way Jesus taught us are like brothers and sisters to me and will be eternally grateful to Almighty God's and Jesus Christ's righteous science...You could be one of that number...but it requires reading the Holy Bible.
I was standing up for Fitzroy, the Christian. You are the one pissing on his grave
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NM,
Your course, nasty and irreverent language says it all. Christians are denied that hostility...we must turn the other cheek. This might give you the opinion of weakness but it's more a question of meekness...following our leader...Jesus Christ...who tells us to expect this reaction...especially from the antiChrist.
You have failed miserably to see that an invisible force is at work here...a force that reaches right back to Heaven...a force that has a science and an owner, a teacher, and a wonderful ability to repair and resurrect those who adhere to the science. You gloss over obvious and wonderful facts like the cancer cell is obeying the same science that bullies adhere to...snatching this invisible emotional energy from neighbours and magnifying their own wild and uncontrolled lifestyles by repeating the same wild genetic pattern over and over again. It's of no consequence to me if you all finish up in the fiery lake of sulphur...you will be quickly forgotten about, but those who make the effort to be saved in the accurate way Jesus taught us are like brothers and sisters to me and will be eternally grateful to Almighty God's and Jesus Christ's righteous science...You could be one of that number...but it requires reading the Holy Bible.
The only "miserable failure" here is your utter failure to show there to be anything scientific at all about your pernicious nonsense. I don't know why you're so terrified of even attempting to apply something of the scientific method to your speculations - presumably at some dim level even you perceive that the claim would fail immediately you tried it - but your continued avoidance comes at the price of exposing you to be delusional of dishonest, or both. If that's really what you want to achieve, it's working.
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I was standing up for Fitzroy, the Christian. You are the one pissing on his grave
I was bringing Fitzroy into the arena via a discussion with SueDoris who asked me to read a book concerning him. I made a quick glance of the subject and published what jumped out at me. If kindly stating that the man's emotional exhaustion caused him to commit suicide offends you then you offend me by not seeing that I am exposing the mechanics that all suicides employ...that they get trapped inside an emotional black-hole and exhaust there own inner, emotional strength...and here is how to prevent it...follow the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ who goes to great lengths to tell us that our spiritual/emotional strength is our highest possession and that we should guard it rigourously, even if we are crucified.
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NM,
I was bringing Fitzroy into the arena via a discussion with SueDoris who asked me to read a book concerning him. I made a quick glance of the subject and published what jumped out at me. If kindly stating that the man's emotional exhaustion caused him to commit suicide offends you then you offend me by not seeing that I am exposing the mechanics that all suicides employ...that they get trapped inside an emotional black-hole and exhaust there own inner, emotional strength...and here is how to prevent it...follow the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ who goes to great lengths to tell us that our spiritual/emotional strength is our highest possession and that we should guard it rigourously, even if we are crucified.
Like I said, not only nonsense but pernicious nonsense. You have no idea what deeply tragic circumstances cause people to take their own lives, and attempting to explain it away by their failure to observe your bizarre superstitions is unpleasant fuckwittery of the highest order. You lack the self-awareness to understand this, but you should be seriously ashamed of yourself nonetheless.
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I was bringing Fitzroy into the arena via a discussion with SueDoris who asked me to read a book concerning him. I made a quick glance of the subject and published what jumped out at me. If kindly stating that the man's emotional exhaustion caused him to commit suicide offends you then you offend me by not seeing that I am exposing the mechanics that all suicides employ...that they get trapped inside an emotional black-hole and exhaust there own inner, emotional strength...and here is how to prevent it...follow the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ who goes to great lengths to tell us that our spiritual/emotional strength is our highest possession and that we should guard it rigourously, even if we are crucified.
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No, your attack that Fitzroy a noted Christian was somehow at fault made you look like you were pissing in his grave. That you did it as you have made clear above fron a position of ignorance doesn't help.
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NM,
The only "miserable failure" here is your utter failure to show there to be anything scientific at all about your pernicious nonsense. I don't know why you're so terrified of even attempting to apply something of the scientific method to your speculations - presumably at some dim level even you perceive that the claim would fail immediately you tried it - but your continued avoidance comes at the price of exposing you to be delusional of dishonest, or both. If that's really what you want to achieve, it's working.
How I long for a righteous world where all discussion revolves around our understanding of a righteous science headed by the same teaching contained within the scriptures...especially tha accurate teaching of Jesus Christ. This is why I insist on showing you the structure of God's science. When you are happy and healthy not much more matters...but having the whole science behind safe space travel and aligning ourselves with a powerful, eternal science, and higher authority, who have only our peace and happiness to concern them is a bit better than what we have got now. To embrace it though we must be trustworthy, obedient to the science, and respect a law that the entire righteous population in the universe adhere to and that is that Almighty God and his son, Jesus Christ, are the everlasting monarchs of that universe.
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the strict scientific behaviour that is offered by an invisible, superabundant, spiritual energy, that is the hidden force behind everything.
Is it the force behind the "pollution" that prevents you and only you from seeing the stars at night?
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No, your attack that Fitzroy a noted Christian was somehow at fault made you look like you were pissing in his grave. That you did it as you have made clear above fron a position of ignorance doesn't help.
You know me Nearly Sane, I don't go round and round in circles with anyone. Your opinion is your opinion...I have qualified what I said and you don't accept it...shame, but there we go. Whilst we are debating a point about what causes suicide many people are hurting inside because of the mechanics I allude to...no one has the answers it seems, but I have offered an answer...avoid wasting our emotional strength because all advertising and all propaganda, all bullies and all evil intent uses the tactics mentioned here and only Jesus Christ fully understands this fact.
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NM,
How I long for a righteous world where all discussion revolves around our understanding of a righteous science headed by the same teaching contained within the scriptures...especially tha accurate teaching of Jesus Christ. This is why I insist on showing you the structure of God's science. When you are happy and healthy not much more matters...but having the whole science behind safe space travel and aligning ourselves with a powerful, eternal science, and higher authority, who have only our peace and happiness to concern them is a bit better than what we have got now. To embrace it though we must be trustworthy, obedient to the science, and respect a law that the entire righteous population in the universe adhere to and that is that Almighty God and his son, Jesus Christ, are the everlasting monarchs of that universe.
In the vanishingly unlikely event you ever feel like attempting to apply anything at all of the scientific method to your bizarre and pernicious assertions by all means let us know.
Why do I feel unclean after I've read your contemptible efforts here?
Assertions 6, Science 0.
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NM,
You know me Nearly Sane, I don't go round and round in circles with anyone. Your opinion is your opinion...I have qualified what I said and you don't accept it...shame, but there we go. Whilst we are debating a point about what causes suicide many people are hurting inside because of the mechanics I allude to...no one has the answers it seems, but I have offered an answer...avoid wasting our emotional strength because all advertising and all propaganda, all bullies and all evil intent uses the tactics mentioned here and only Jesus Christ fully understands this fact.
Shame on you.
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Is it the force behind the "pollution" that prevents you and only you from seeing the stars at night?
I still don't see them...now, not even the planes who fogged them out...though I still hear them. It would be wise to look it up on youtube because the intention to block all eye-witness accounts seems to be the thrust behind political manouveouring. Not to worry...those looking for the signs have already seen them and it is heart-warming to know that we have a God of righteous intent, watching our backs.
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NM,
Shame on you.
Like many unpleasant subjects someone has to broach the facts to get to the bottom of things. What is unpalatable to you might save someones life. Of course the alternative might be to slam and slang off the one offering a solution via a very well tested method...that method being upbuilding a righteous spirit according to the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...now let's hear your solution...Making them all millionaires isn't an option.
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I was bringing Fitzroy into the arena via a discussion with SueDoris who asked me to read a book concerning him. I made a quick glance of the subject and published what jumped out at me. If kindly stating that the man's emotional exhaustion caused him to commit suicide offends you then you offend me by not seeing that I am exposing the mechanics that all suicides employ...that they get trapped inside an emotional black-hole and exhaust there own inner, emotional strength...and here is how to prevent it...follow the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ who goes to great lengths to tell us that our spiritual/emotional strength is our highest possession and that we should guard it rigourously, even if we are crucified.
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This is revolting in in its inane stupidity.
As you sail along in your uniqe way, remember this;
You know nothing whatsoever of suicides.
Stop pontificating and spouting utter bilge on the subject.
For your information, I've had to deal with four.
One was a girl aged twenty one - who couldn't cope with 'cold turkey'.
One was a friend of my cousin - with no finantial, medical, emotional or relationship issues who just walked off a bridge; and two were family members.
Don't you DARE generalise!
Your ignorance on this matter is on a par with your ignorance on cancer, astrophysics, biology, archaeology, ancient history and, to cap it all, Christianity.
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Your course, nasty and irreverent language says it all. Christians are denied that hostility...we must turn the other cheek. This might give you the opinion of weakness but it's more a question of meekness...following our leader...Jesus Christ...who tells us to expect this reaction...especially from the antiChrist.
You have failed miserably to see that an invisible force is at work here...a force that reaches right back to Heaven...a force that has a science and an owner, a teacher, and a wonderful ability to repair and resurrect those who adhere to the science. You gloss over obvious and wonderful facts like the cancer cell is obeying the same science that bullies adhere to...snatching this invisible emotional energy from neighbours and magnifying their own wild and uncontrolled lifestyles by repeating the same wild genetic pattern over and over again. It's of no consequence to me if you all finish up in the fiery lake of sulphur...you will be quickly forgotten about, but those who make the effort to be saved in the accurate way Jesus taught us are like brothers and sisters to me and will be eternally grateful to Almighty God's and Jesus Christ's righteous science...You could be one of that number...but it requires reading the Holy Bible.
So when I go to the Breast Cancer Clinic for a check-up to morrow, to see whether the tumour has shrunk a little bit because of the medication (produced by those who research and develop such things) I should tell the Surgeon that it is my own falt should I?
I'm alive today because I was cured of a tumour 30 years ago, thanks entirely to medical care.
Having read the whole of the Wikipedia page on Fitz-Roy, I see that his first wife, to whom he was married for about 18 years until she died and with whom he had four children, was a very devout Christian and it sounds very much as if she was a barrier to his much more useful work and legacy in Science. Nowonder he was worn out aft afll the huge amount of work he had done around the world and must have had to fight an inner battle againt the depression. A man worthy of enormous praise and gratitude for his work in Science, and definitely NOT his work in religious beliefs.
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NM,
Like many unpleasant subjects someone has to broach the facts to get to the bottom of things. What is unpalatable to you might save someones life. Of course the alternative might be to slam and slang off the one offering a solution via a very well tested method...that method being upbuilding a righteous spirit according to the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...now let's hear your solution...Making them all millionaires isn't an option.
You wouldn’t know a fact if it walked up to you and punched you on the nose. What is “unpalatable” to me is your marrying of deep ignorance with the presumption of sitting in judgement on people about whose circumstances you don’t have the remotest clue. It’s a slim comfort, but the only advantage to you spending time here is that perhaps it’ll reduce the time available to you to cause hurt and misery elsewhere.
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This is revolting in in its inane stupidity.
As you sail along in your uniqe way, remember this;
You know nothing whatsoever of suicides.
Stop pontificating and spouting utter bilge on the subject.
For your information, I've had to deal with four.
One was a girl aged twenty one - who couldn't cope with 'cold turkey'.
One was a friend of my cousin - with no finantial, medical, emotional or relationship issues who just walked off a bridge; and two were family members.
Don't you DARE generalise!
Your ignorance on this matter is on a par with your ignorance on cancer, astrophysics, biology, archaeology, ancient history and, to cap it all, Christianity.
Jesus Christ generalised saying we are all sinners. Bringing personal data into the scenario is daunting because delicate emotions are concerned and I am not one to rub salt against naked sores. The Samaritans have a code of conduct which reinforces what I am saying...that talking with someone can help relieve the bottomless and crushing pit that lies at the centre of all these occasions. Almighty God and Jesus Christ have a ready and willing ear for all our dilemmas and this is perhaps where the Catholic church for the confessional got their idea from. Anyway...I will leave it there knowing that you are already scribbling out your next attack.
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Jesus Christ generalised saying we are all sinners. Bringing personal data into the scenario is daunting because delicate emotions are concerned and I am not one to rub salt against naked sores. The Samaritans have a code of conduct which reinforces what I am saying...that talking with someone can help relieve the bottomless and crushing pit that lies at the centre of all these occasions. Almighty God and Jesus Christ have a ready and willing ear for all our dilemmas and this is perhaps where the Catholic church for the confessional got their idea from. Anyway...I will leave it there knowing that you are already scribbling out your next attack.
Attack?
I don't need to attack your argument.
Your abject failure to engage in proper debate or discussion, and produce evidence to justify your -thankfully - unique position are all the weapons I need. You are an expert at shooting yourself in the foot.
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NM,
You wouldn’t know a fact if it walked up to you and punched you on the nose. What is “unpalatable” to me is your marrying of deep ignorance with the presumption of sitting in judgement on people about whose circumstances you don’t have the remotest clue. It’s a slim comfort, but the only advantage to you spending time here is that perhaps it’ll reduce the time available to you to cause hurt and misery elsewhere.
One fact I know, without a shadow of a doubt, is that if we upbuild a righteous spirit we will have access to resurrection...don't just take my word for it...it is scattered around Jesus Christ's teaching in several different places...oh...sorry...I forgot...you refuse to read about your salvation.
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Attack?
I don't need to attack your argument.
Your abject failure to engage in proper debate or discussion, and produce evidence to justify your -thankfully - unique position are all the weapons I need. You are an expert at shooting yourself in the foot.
There is so much evidence supporting what I say that it drips off me like there is no tomorrow...which could well be the case...seeing as we don't know the hour or the day...and this is just one scientific reason why we must abide by righteous law...You see...when we come under unexpected attack our greatest need is our adrenalin...we need to stay calm and adrenalin is the first positive step towards this goal. Now, if we are wasting this hormone wildly, slagging off well meaning individuals or screaming and shouting at football matches and the like, watching and emotionally living all the soaps, we will be seriously depleted of this vital hormonal property. You will also find that there are those who thrive off this condition and they wont be your friends. So...shock will be rampant but the Christian will preserve their faculties and this is one of the attributes that what will save them.
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So when I go to the Breast Cancer Clinic for a check-up to morrow, to see whether the tumour has shrunk a little bit because of the medication (produced by those who research and develop such things) I should tell the Surgeon that it is my own falt should I?
I'm alive today because I was cured of a tumour 30 years ago, thanks entirely to medical care.
Having read the whole of the Wikipedia page on Fitz-Roy, I see that his first wife, to whom he was married for about 18 years until she died and with whom he had four children, was a very devout Christian and it sounds very much as if she was a barrier to his much more useful work and legacy in Science. Nowonder he was worn out aft afll the huge amount of work he had done around the world and must have had to fight an inner battle againt the depression. A man worthy of enormous praise and gratitude for his work in Science, and definitely NOT his work in religious beliefs.
Thanks for that Susan. I had not even heard of him before today. No...there is no need to turn away from solid medical care...I use it myself...what there is a need to do is quietly and calmly follow Jesus Christ's accurate teaching. This soothes and calms our genetic health and can run alongside medical care. No one can dispute with me that the cancer cell is a wild uncontrollable growth and finding its cause paramount. What it means is that we can influence our own genetics and many illnesses support this thinking so why not influence them in a good way...why not influence them in a way Jesus taught us...because if we don't tame the replicating cell processes we are only in for more of the same. When we are in charge every replication will be healthier than the one before until we get it right...this is where endurance comes into the Christian arena...but a righteous spirit takes away the distress of not fully achieving our goal in time.
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...when we come under unexpected attack our greatest need is our adrenalin...we need to stay calm and adrenalin is the first positive step towards this goal.
I'm trying very hard not to get dragged into this: adrenaline may indeed be useful to you if you are under attack (think 'fight or flight') but if you want to stay calm then the very last thing you need is adrenaline.
It would help your cause if, in your enthusiasm, you didn't make such stupid errors. As that well-known philosopher Jim Royle might say: scientist my arse!
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I'm trying very hard not to get dragged into this: adrenaline may indeed be useful to you if you are under attack (think 'fight or flight') but if you want to stay calm then the very last thing you need is adrenaline.
It would help your cause if, in your enthusiasm, you didn't make such stupid errors. As that well-known philosopher Jim Royle might say: scientist my arse!
You forget easily that I have put it to the test. Adrenaline...(spelling correction noted) is a hormonal property that is requred to evaluate a dangerous situation quickly and make the right decisions. If we are used to staying calm in difficult situations it is because we are tuned in to our heartbeat and adrenaline embraces this when we are suddenly put in fear. Using it to stimulate artificial fear wastes it and when we need it most it will fail,..be in short supply...leave us locked in shock. I say this because the description in Revelation that is about to descend upon us all sounds like just that throwing us all into great shock and it will be a question of the survival of the most righteous.
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NM,
One fact I know, without a shadow of a doubt, is that if we upbuild a righteous spirit we will have access to resurrection...don't just take my word for it...it is scattered around Jesus Christ's teaching in several different places...oh...sorry...I forgot...you refuse to read about your salvation.
No you don't know that at all whether with or without a shadow of a doubt - what you actually do is believe it to be true solely as an article of personal faith. If you want anyone else to think you're right about that then you'll finally have to produce some logic or evidence that supports the claim - you know, the stuff you always say you have but never manage to produce here. Funny that.
Keep talking though - the more time you spend here, the less time you have to do harm in the real world.
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NM,
You forget easily that I have put it to the test. Adrenaline...(spelling correction noted) is a hormonal property that is requred to evaluate a dangerous situation quickly and make the right decisions.
Yet again you betray your ignorance of what science actually tells us: that's not what adrenaline does at all. What adrenaline actually does is to play an role in the fight-or-flight response by increasing blood flow to muscles, the output of the heart, pupil dilation response, and blood sugar levels. Evaluation and decision making is done by brains.
Perhaps if you knew even the slightest thing about science you wouldn't keep making howlers. Just a thought.
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You forget easily that I have put it to the test. Adrenaline...(spelling correction noted) is a hormonal property that is requred to evaluate a dangerous situation quickly and make the right decisions. If we are used to staying calm in difficult situations it is because we are tuned in to our heartbeat and adrenaline embraces this when we are suddenly put in fear. Using it to stimulate artificial fear wastes it and when we need it most it will fail,..be in short supply...leave us locked in shock.
Wrong: as such I doubt that any endocrinologists will be queuing up to seek your advice.
I say this because the description in Revelation that is about to descend upon us all sounds like just that throwing us all into great shock and it will be a question of the survival of the most righteous.
Which is no more relevant than me pointing out that Noddy lived in Toyland.
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You both make the mistake of thinking you know better than the scientist who is putting it all together. It all revolves around a single superabundant property...God's dynamic energy. Funny really because according to science there is another 93% of this material, sufficient to make another 17+ universes of the same size as this one...so its not surprising that its behaviour patterns include hidden strategies which require the highest brains in the universe to fathom them out. That doesn't mean anyone here on planet Earth...it means one of those who sends his space-fleet here occasionally and who are now watching everything we do and waiting for the event that will serve as God's Judgement. I can only interpret the Holy Bible, accurately, and in doing so I have realised that there is a profound science coded within its pages. Make no mistake...resurrection is possible. If we were sinless we would be strong enough to reclaim our own fatally injured body...but we must settle for a new vessel and only then if we are sensible enough to use that vessel wisely...which always means righteously.
There isn't a moment to lose...Almighty God won't just take our word for it...we will have to have strived for the right to be resurrected and that requires following Jesus Christ accurately. It won't matter to those saved if we are saved, but it will matter an awful lot to us because the fiery lake of sulphur will be our spiritual prison for all eternity...with no going back. Jesus doesn't beg us to be part of that number to be saved but he does advise it...without any malice what-so-ever.
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NM,
You both make the mistake of thinking you know better than the scientist who is putting it all together.
No, what we both do is to use simple logic to show that you have no argument to support your unqualified speculation that there is a “scientist who is putting it all together” at all.
It all revolves around a single superabundant property...God's dynamic energy. Funny really because according to science there is another 93% of this material, sufficient to make another 17+ universes of the same size as this one...so its not surprising that its behaviour patterns include hidden strategies which require the highest brains in the universe to fathom them out. That doesn't mean anyone here on planet Earth...it means one of those who sends his space-fleet here occasionally and who are now watching everything we do and waiting for the event that will serve as God's Judgement.
Bizarre gibberish.
I can only interpret the Holy Bible, accurately, and in doing so I have realised that there is a profound science coded within its pages. Make no mistake...resurrection is possible. If we were sinless we would be strong enough to reclaim our own fatally injured body...but we must settle for a new vessel and only then if we are sensible enough to use that vessel wisely...which always means righteously.
More un-argued and un-evidenced assertion. That you believe this palpable idiocy is a matter for you and you alone, but you’re just embarrassing yourself by posting it.
There isn't a moment to lose...Almighty God won't just take our word for it...we will have to have strived for the right to be resurrected and that requires following Jesus Christ accurately. It won't matter to those saved if we are saved, but it will matter an awful lot to us because the fiery lake of sulphur will be our spiritual prison for all eternity...with no going back. Jesus doesn't beg us to be part of that number to be saved but he does advise it...without any malice what-so-ever.
Seek help. Seriously, seek help.
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NM,
No, what we both do is to use simple logic to show that you have no argument to support your unqualified speculation that there is a “scientist who is putting it all together” at all.
Bizarre gibberish.
More un-argued and un-evidenced assertion. That you believe this palpable idiocy is a matter for you and you alone, but you’re just embarrassing yourself by posting it.
Seek help. Seriously, seek help.
What I have said is all in the Holy Bible...it's high time you started reading it and realising that its all proclaimed by a much higher authority than me and it all merges with science beautifully.
I see the science as being more useful after the event and am just airing the science to ensure all arguments are satisfied...after all, Almighty God said that without his involvement everyone would be lost, but because of the faithful Almighty God will involve himself...how better than by explaining the science behind Jesus Christ's salvational teaching...and how grateful we should be to the faithful because without them we would have no salvation, at all.
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NM,
What I have said is all in the Holy Bible...
Not according to Anchorman it’s not, and he seems to know an awful lot more about theology than you do. Oh, and, that you think it’s “Holy” is just a personal faith belief you happen to have too.
…it's high time you started reading it and realising that its all proclaimed by a much higher authority…
In other words a book says that its claims are true, therefore its claims are true. This’ll be lost on you, but if you want to demonstrate that a book is true you need to find something outside of that book to verify its claims. Good luck with it though.
…than me and it all merges with science beautifully.
Of course it doesn’t. There’s no science at all in the Bible – or at least there’s no more science than you’d expect from the scientifically comparatively primitive people who authored it.
I see the science as being more useful after the event and am just airing the science to ensure all arguments are satisfied...
Stop lying. You haven’t even tried to apply any of the methods of science, and when you try to make scientifically accurate statements you almost always get them embarrassingly wrong.
…after all,…
Oh-oh…
Almighty God said…
Yup, yet another baseless assertion. What makes you think that there is an “Almighty God” in the first place, let alone that you know what he said?
…that without his involvement everyone would be lost, but because of the faithful Almighty God will involve himself...how better than by explaining the science behind Jesus Christ's salvational teaching...and how grateful we should be to the faithful because without them we would have no salvation, at all.
And more mindless and utterly science-free assertions to finish.
Now there’s a surprise…
Assertions 7, Science 0.
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There isn't a moment to lose...Almighty God won't just take our word for it...we will have to have strived for the right to be resurrected and that requires following Jesus Christ accurately. It won't matter to those saved if we are saved, but it will matter an awful lot to us because the fiery lake of sulphur will be our spiritual prison for all eternity...with no going back. Jesus doesn't beg us to be part of that number to be saved but he does advise it...without any malice what-so-ever.
Idiotic drivel. If there is some calamity ahead and there is a god then we are ok because he would save us from it; get a life Nicholas, there are enough real problems in the world without you trying to frighten people with your perverse psychological head games.
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Idiotic drivel. If there is some calamity ahead and there is a god then we are ok because he would save us from it; get a life Nicholas, there are enough real problems in the world without you trying to frighten people with your perverse psychological head games.
It is thoughtful that you should mention head-games because that is precisely what the antiChrist are doing to us all. They are involving themselves into the natural emotional dealings in our everyday lives and fouling up our healthy thought patterns so that their ridiculous machinations reign supreme. Perhaps they haven't realised that a damaged mind causes long-term damage to our health...but I suspect they have.
As far as accuracy in God's teaching goes, who told us that in the last days there would be an organised force demanding that we receive the mark of the beast, better known today as the RFID chip and how it will cause abyss' and sores which shows us the electric nature of this mark. You have a lot to learn...not from me but from Jesus Christ. Note that in Revelation Jesus says that when these things start to happen go back to his original word as issued to the seven original churches in Asia that Jesus himself taught...because he will soon be here...he will come quickly...and we must be ready.
Don't want it...that is entirely up to you.
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I still don't see them...now, not even the planes who fogged them out...though I still hear them. It would be wise to look it up on youtube because the intention to block all eye-witness accounts seems to be the thrust behind political manouveouring.
These planes that are blocking out the stars (but only for you), at what elevation are they leaving their 'fog'?
For example can you still see clouds?
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It is thoughtful that you should mention head-games because that is precisely what the antiChrist are doing to us all. They are involving themselves into the natural emotional dealings in our everyday lives and fouling up our healthy thought patterns so that their ridiculous machinations reign supreme. Perhaps they haven't realised that a damaged mind causes long-term damage to our health...but I suspect they have. As far as accuracy in God's teaching goes, who told us that in the last days there would be an organised force demanding that we receive the mark of the beast, better known today as the RFID chip and how it will cause abyss' and sores which shows us the electric nature of this mark. You have a lot to learn...not from me but from Jesus Christ. Note that in Revelation Jesus says that when these things start to happen go back to his original word as issued to the seven original churches in Asia that Jesus himself taught...because he will soon be here...he will come quickly...and we must be ready. Don't want it...that is entirely up to you.
You know, I love nuts. Pistachioss, Brazils, and KP peanuts (not to mention those nasty, addictive, duplicitous dry roasted thingies) Does anyone know if they sell packets of conspiracy nuts as well? It might answer a few questions.
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These planes that are blocking out the stars (but only for you), at what elevation are they leaving their 'fog'?
For example can you still see clouds?
I don't have to justify this point...thousands have seen them and many have logged their record about them. Scientists have condemned them and the analysis of them tells us a tale of corruption almost impossible to describe. Without Jesus Christ's advanced warnings we would be lost. There are copyright laws concerning them...there are declarations written in international law concerning them...the only people who don't seem to know about them is you...and the head-in-the-sand public. There is also a declaration in the Holy Bible about them but that remains with me until I'm ready to reveal it.
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It is thoughtful that you should mention head-games because that is precisely what the antiChrist are doing to us all. They are involving themselves into the natural emotional dealings in our everyday lives and fouling up our healthy thought patterns so that their ridiculous machinations reign supreme. Perhaps they haven't realised that a damaged mind causes long-term damage to our health...but I suspect they have.
As far as accuracy in God's teaching goes, who told us that in the last days there would be an organised force demanding that we receive the mark of the beast, better known today as the RFID chip and how it will cause abyss' and sores which shows us the electric nature of this mark. You have a lot to learn...not from me but from Jesus Christ. Note that in Revelation Jesus says that when these things start to happen go back to his original word as issued to the seven original churches in Asia that Jesus himself taught...because he will soon be here...he will come quickly...and we must be ready.
Don't want it...that is entirely up to you.
Nope, your stupid head games have no effect on me.
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I don't have to justify this point...thousands have seen them and many have logged their record about them. Scientists have condemned them and the analysis of them tells us a tale of corruption almost impossible to describe. Without Jesus Christ's advanced warnings we would be lost. There are copyright laws concerning them...there are declarations written in international law concerning them...the only people who don't seem to know about them is you...and the head-in-the-sand public. There is also a declaration in the Holy Bible about them but that remains with me until I'm ready to reveal it.
Come back, X Files; all is forgiven.
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I don't have to justify this point...thousands have seen them and many have logged their record about them. Scientists have condemned them and the analysis of them tells us a tale of corruption almost impossible to describe. Without Jesus Christ's advanced warnings we would be lost. There are copyright laws concerning them...there are declarations written in international law concerning them...the only people who don't seem to know about them is you...and the head-in-the-sand public. There is also a declaration in the Holy Bible about them but that remains with me until I'm ready to reveal it.
If you are in the UK, and I think you are based somewhere in England, and if you say that on a clear night where you are you can't see stars then I don't believe you are telling the truth, Nick: it is as simple as that.
In what area are you based? A general answer will do - for instance what is the nearest large city to you (Birmingham, Manchester, Oxford, Bristol etc). Amateur astronomy is a popular hobby you know: a friend of mine is one and he tells me that he is in regular touch with his fellow enthusiasts from all across the UK, so it is a doddle to check whether there are clear skies and visible stars on any night pretty much anywhere in the UK.
So, and very roughly speaking, where are you based (say with 30 miles of a notable city/town)?
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I am between Nottingham and Derby, and I can report good visibility of stars.
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So, and very roughly speaking, where are you based (say with 30 miles of a notable city/town)?
Mordor, Middle Earth.
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A valid Biblical point gleaned from the existence of RFID chips that will cause sores and abscess' is this...that it is our electrical nature that talks to our genetic health...and Jesus showed us how to harness that science within our own genetics for our own health improvement. Hard to understand, maybe, but if we don't pay heed it is only us that will suffer as individual mutants of the scurrilous thinking of Satan.
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If you are in the UK, and I think you are based somewhere in England, and if you say that on a clear night where you are you can't see stars then I don't believe you are telling the truth, Nick: it is as simple as that.
In what area are you based? A general answer will do - for instance what is the nearest large city to you (Birmingham, Manchester, Oxford, Bristol etc). Amateur astronomy is a popular hobby you know: a friend of mine is one and he tells me that he is in regular touch with his fellow enthusiasts from all across the UK, so it is a doddle to check whether there are clear skies and visible stars on any night pretty much anywhere in the UK.
So, and very roughly speaking, where are you based (say with 30 miles of a notable city/town)?
I don't wish to divulge any clues about my whereabouts...I work alone in my Biblical interpretation...not withstanding the promised help Jesus has offered us all. You may think it a casual request but I am mindful that others...friend or foe...might think that I am worth distracting from my main theme which is the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ. I stand by everything I say because I have been given the opportunity to observe everything I say...and, it appears, many more besides, are seeing in the skies the same things I am seeing.
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A valid Biblical point gleaned from the existence of RFID chips that will cause sores and abscess' is this...that it is our electrical nature that talks to our genetic health...and Jesus showed us how to harness that science within our own genetics for our own health improvement. Hard to understand, maybe, but if we don't pay heed it is only us that will suffer as individual mutants of the scurrilous thinking of Satan.
Anyone else understand any of this - or is it just me?
I need a coffee.
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I don't wish to divulge any clues about my whereabouts...I work alone in my Biblical interpretation...not withstanding the promised help Jesus has offered us all. You may think it a casual request but I am mindful that others...friend or foe...might think that I am worth distracting from my main theme which is the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ. I stand by everything I say because I have been given the opportunity to observe everything I say...and, it appears, many more besides, are seeing in the skies the same things I am seeing.
You did say that you live near an airport though.
Which narrows it down a bit.
Regardless though, you seem to be sayiing that the entire sky above us is so polluted that nobody should be able to see the stars.
However as this is patently and obviously not the case, then it must be localised in some way to your specific location......if you are being truthful that is?
Common sense 1
NM fantasy 0
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I don't wish to divulge any clues about my whereabouts...I work alone in my Biblical interpretation...not withstanding the promised help Jesus has offered us all. You may think it a casual request but I am mindful that others...friend or foe...might think that I am worth distracting from my main theme which is the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ. I stand by everything I say because I have been given the opportunity to observe everything I say...and, it appears, many more besides, are seeing in the skies the same things I am seeing.
NM
i have no difficulty seeing the stars on a non cloudy night, so this problem does not affect me.
Also, I travel to different parts of the country and have never noticed this problem.
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You did say that you live near an airport though.
Which narrows it down a bit.
Regardless though, you seem to be sayiing that the entire sky above us is so polluted that nobody should be able to see the stars.
However as this is patently and obviously not the case, then it must be localised in some way to your specific location......if you are being truthful that is?
If you are relying upon your own interpretation of what I'm saying that is perhaps where you are going wrong. Perhaps if you study the Holy Bible you would know that Christians always speak the truth...even if we can't get our head around that truth. Like Anchorman can't see that a genetic disturbance attributable to electric behaviour patterns but which is a direct clue towards what drives our genetic health and though many are suffering in wild and spiteful genetic ways we have a positive pattern of behaviour promised to reduce those wild patterns. When we do follow that teaching we find that many of these wild patterns are inflicted upon us by another electric force...an evil force...a force that feigns caring but who will drive you deeper and deeper into the emotional black-hole which I am trying to spare you all from. See how it all fits together and into one wonderful, righteous science.
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If you are relying upon your own interpretation of what I'm saying that is perhaps where you are going wrong.
My interpretation is that you say that you cannot see the stars because of pollution, most likely caused by planes deliberately dumping chemicals.
Tell me where I have musunderstood, in detail.
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We are not, far from an airport so have plenty of planes passing by, we also live in a village which is lit up at night by street lights, but we can still see the stars on a clear night, no problem. Maybe NM has a problem with his vision if he can't see them.
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i have no difficulty seeing the stars on a non cloudy night, so this problem does not affect me.
Also, I travel to different parts of the country and have never noticed this problem.
It appears that many aren't seeing this problem for various reasons...one of which is the sheer disbelief that anyone would do this...but it is happening worldwide. Now, I only have one option which is to stick to truth whilst others have other options and maybe you fit into one of these patterns...one of which is that because the stars have always been there that you believe they are still visible when they are not. Of course there are odd days when they are visible but the over-riding trend is that they are not. Now geoengineering isn't an invention of the net...it is written into the American law and is being used by the devious to experiment in many different ways...all of them destructive and all of them the grand design of those who don't care very much for anyone else but themselves. Even this is provided for in the Holy Bible and highlights the need for our saviour, now. But he wont come until all the prophecy in Revelation is fulfilled...giving us all the opportunity to realise why we need a Deity of the magnitude of Almighty God and Jesus Christ...and those saved will never question their authority again.
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It appears that many aren't seeing this problem for various reasons...one of which is the sheer disbelief that anyone would do this...but it is happening worldwide. Now, I only have one option which is to stick to truth whilst others have other options and maybe you fit into one of these patterns...one of which is that because the stars have always been there that you believe they are still visible when they are not. Of course there are odd days when they are visible but the over-riding trend is that they are not.
But Nick, this "there when they are not" nonsense of yours is so, so easy to disprove.
Pure fantasy on your behalf.
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NM: You seem to take issue with those who scoff at your posts. Probably the reason we do so is your methodology. You theorise without evidence; this is neither science nor theology. Can I humbly show my methodology as an example of how research could be published properly? I submitted a paper to an academic site on Egyptology; this has now become the basis of a book I'm writing. The process went as follows; My paper was on a hieratic ostracon found in the Valley of the Kings. First, I translated it to my satisfaction. Then I compared it with other translations, checking that mine was accurate. Thirdly, I used the context of the object, its' location, when it was found, and the content of the inscription to interpret it in the known history of the period in question. Fourthly, I forwarded my paper to experts in the field for their opinion. Lastly, I published the paper online, giving bibliographical, philologically, museum reference numbers and web site links as footnotes. That, NM, is meticulous research. What you post is unsubstantiated speculation unless you can back it up with evidence. Is there any part of this you cannot grasp?
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It appears that many aren't seeing this problem for various reasons...one of which is the sheer disbelief that anyone would do this...but it is happening worldwide. Now, I only have one option which is to stick to truth whilst others have other options and maybe you fit into one of these patterns...one of which is that because the stars have always been there that you believe they are still visible when they are not. Of course there are odd days when they are visible but the over-riding trend is that they are not. Now geoengineering isn't an invention of the net...it is written into the American law and is being used by the devious to experiment in many different ways...all of them destructive and all of them the grand design of those who don't care very much for anyone else but themselves. Even this is provided for in the Holy Bible and highlights the need for our saviour, now. But he wont come until all the prophecy in Revelation is fulfilled...giving us all the opportunity to realise why we need a Deity of the magnitude of Almighty God and Jesus Christ...and those saved will never question their authority again.
I was in Cyprus yesterday, and the night sky was full of stars, with no difficulty seeing them.
I was also close Paphos aiport as well.
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I don't wish to divulge any clues about my whereabouts...I work alone in my Biblical interpretation...not withstanding the promised help Jesus has offered us all. You may think it a casual request but I am mindful that others...friend or foe...might think that I am worth distracting from my main theme which is the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ. I stand by everything I say because I have been given the opportunity to observe everything I say...and, it appears, many more besides, are seeing in the skies the same things I am seeing.
Of course, Nick: if you were to say that, for instance, you were within 30 miles of Leeds/Bradford airport that would clearly lead the unrighteous masses direct to your front door!
However, I think I can spot a deliberate evasion in a failed attempt to defend a lie when I see it.
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NM: You seem to take issue with those who scoff at your posts. Probably the reason we do so is your methodology. You theorise without evidence; this is neither science nor theology. Can I humbly show my methodology as an example of how research could be published properly? I submitted a paper to an academic site on Egyptology; this has now become the basis of a book I'm writing. The process went as follows; My paper was on a hieratic ostracon found in the Valley of the Kings. First, I translated it to my satisfaction. Then I compared it with other translations, checking that mine was accurate. Thirdly, I used the context of the object, its' location, when it was found, and the content of the inscription to interpret it in the known history of the period in question. Fourthly, I forwarded my paper to experts in the field for their opinion. Lastly, I published the paper online, giving bibliographical, philologically, museum reference numbers and web site links as footnotes. That, NM, is meticulous research. What you post is unsubstantiated speculation unless you can back it up with evidence. Is there any part of this you cannot grasp?
The difference is, you are for real, anyone can sense that. NM on the other hand is a fake, using the internet to indulge his fetish for psychological manipulation.
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NM: You seem to take issue with those who scoff at your posts. Probably the reason we do so is your methodology. You theorise without evidence; this is neither science nor theology. Can I humbly show my methodology as an example of how research could be published properly? I submitted a paper to an academic site on Egyptology; this has now become the basis of a book I'm writing. The process went as follows; My paper was on a hieratic ostracon found in the Valley of the Kings. First, I translated it to my satisfaction. Then I compared it with other translations, checking that mine was accurate. Thirdly, I used the context of the object, its' location, when it was found, and the content of the inscription to interpret it in the known history of the period in question. Fourthly, I forwarded my paper to experts in the field for their opinion. Lastly, I published the paper online, giving bibliographical, philologically, museum reference numbers and web site links as footnotes. That, NM, is meticulous research. What you post is unsubstantiated speculation unless you can back it up with evidence. Is there any part of this you cannot grasp?
Wow I am very impressed. :) You are the real deal, having researched your topic thoroughly. It is a pity one can't say they same of that fraud, NM!
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NM: You seem to take issue with those who scoff at your posts. Probably the reason we do so is your methodology. You theorise without evidence; this is neither science nor theology. Can I humbly show my methodology as an example of how research could be published properly? I submitted a paper to an academic site on Egyptology; this has now become the basis of a book I'm writing. The process went as follows; My paper was on a hieratic ostracon found in the Valley of the Kings. First, I translated it to my satisfaction. Then I compared it with other translations, checking that mine was accurate. Thirdly, I used the context of the object, its' location, when it was found, and the content of the inscription to interpret it in the known history of the period in question. Fourthly, I forwarded my paper to experts in the field for their opinion. Lastly, I published the paper online, giving bibliographical, philologically, museum reference numbers and web site links as footnotes. That, NM, is meticulous research. What you post is unsubstantiated speculation unless you can back it up with evidence. Is there any part of this you cannot grasp?
Probably all of it, in answer to your last question.
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Wow I am very impressed. :) You are the real deal, having researched your topic thoroughly. It is a pity one can't say they same of that fraud, NM!
That's not to say that the topic in question is uncontroversial in Egyptology circles - it's about as controversial as you can get.
But if I have the evidence at my fingertips to back up my theory properly, I can at least argue my point with confidence that there is a good chance that people will listen and think about what I've put in print.
Wheras Nm......
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I think perhaps we’re at the point we always reach with NM when his assertions – that stars have become invisible when any of us can see them perfectly well on a clear night; that there’s some mysterious global conspiracy of “scientists” somehow covering up the findings of a few fruit loops on Youtube; that he’s busily engaged in some kind of “important work” yet cannot provide a scrap of logic or evidence to illustrate its existence etc – become so barkingly idiotic that the only possible response is concern for his wellbeing rather than attempting to engage. The rules of this mb forbid saying the obvious, so one can only hope that he doesn’t harm others or himself and that he’s properly cared for.
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Also, it might be best if everyone just refrains from feeding the paranoia.
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Anyone else understand any of this - or is it just me?
You are claiming here that you understand it.
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None of you can deny that the Holy Bible exists. I'm saying that it is at the root behind everything I say. No one can deny that the Holy Bible and modern science agree on the same point about energy being that it is superabundant and invisible and exists in copious amounts throughout the universe, Both say the same thing, in that everything is energy. No one can say that Jesus Christ's teaching isn't all about the spiritual nature of Almighty God, or that we are predominantly spiritual beings as well, if we choose to be and he showed us how to adopt righteousness. so that we can be the possessors of his wonderful teaching...How you respond to that teaching is entirely up to you. It's wise to get to grips with that teaching because it tells us of a natural event that will bring us all to our knees unless we take special precautions. The vast majority here seem to be antiChrist...you refuse to take in Biblical knowledge and are scathing in your attacks on the Christian message...so it is small wonder that you are scathing towards anything I say....but you won't alter the science and you won't alter Satan's approach towards it all...The one thing you could do is repent, and help make this board a place where Christians want to come and discuss things...but I'm not hopeful...so perhaps it's time to bow out...The two gifts from God will be better served being donated to people who haven't forsaken the only chance of salvation open to them.
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NM,
None of you can deny that the Holy Bible exists. I'm saying that it is at the root behind everything I say. No one can deny that the Holy Bible and modern science agree on the same point about energy being that it is superabundant and invisible and exists in copious amounts throughout the universe, Both say the same thing, in that everything is energy. No one can say that Jesus Christ's teaching isn't all about the spiritual nature of Almighty God, or that we are predominantly spiritual beings as well, if we choose to be and he showed us how to adopt righteousness. so that we can be the possessors of his wonderful teaching...How you respond to that teaching is entirely up to you. It's wise to get to grips with that teaching because it tells us of a natural event that will bring us all to our knees unless we take special precautions. The vast majority here seem to be antiChrist...you refuse to take in Biblical knowledge and are scathing in your attacks on the Christian message...so it is small wonder that you are scathing towards anything I say....but you won't alter the science and you won't alter Satan's approach towards it all...The one thing you could do is repent, and help make this board a place where Christians want to come and discuss things...but I'm not hopeful...so perhaps it's time to bow out...The two gifts from God will be better served being donated to people who haven't forsaken the only chance of salvation open to them.
Let me put this as gently as I can for you.
First, no-one says that the Bible doesn't exist. Clearly as a book (or a collection of books) it does exist. So do lots of other books. What's actually said though is that there are no cogent reasons to believe that many of its central claims - god, Jesus, a resurrection, miracles etc - are true.
Second, nowhere in the Bible in any case does it talk about a "superabundant energy". That's just something that you've made up.
Third, for reasons that have been explained to you repeatedly you cannot claim the status of "science" for the things the Bible does say unless the conditions necessary for science are met - evidence, testing, theory etc. None of these things are applicable to your biblical claims, so those claims necessarily cannot be science.
Fourth, you cannot just make up stuff and call it a fact. Any of us here can look at the sky on a clear night and see the stars perfectly clearly. You know that, so why just pretend otherwise?
Fifth, if you did want to attempt at least to establish that the bible contains some science then you'd need to lose the pointless adjectives ("wonderful" etc) and try instead some plain facts that other people could investigate to verify for themselves.
Do you have any sense at all from this about where you keep going wrong? Anything?
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None of you can deny that the Holy Bible exists. I'm saying that it is at the root behind everything I say. No one can deny that the Holy Bible and modern science agree on the same point about energy being that it is superabundant and invisible and exists in copious amounts throughout the universe, Both say the same thing, in that everything is energy. No one can say that Jesus Christ's teaching isn't all about the spiritual nature of Almighty God, or that we are predominantly spiritual beings as well, if we choose to be and he showed us how to adopt righteousness. so that we can be the possessors of his wonderful teaching...How you respond to that teaching is entirely up to you. It's wise to get to grips with that teaching because it tells us of a natural event that will bring us all to our knees unless we take special precautions. The vast majority here seem to be antiChrist...you refuse to take in Biblical knowledge and are scathing in your attacks on the Christian message...so it is small wonder that you are scathing towards anything I say....but you won't alter the science and you won't alter Satan's approach towards it all...The one thing you could do is repent, and help make this board a place where Christians want to come and discuss things...but I'm not hopeful...so perhaps it's time to bow out...The two gifts from God will be better served being donated to people who haven't forsaken the only chance of salvation open to them.
Scripture does not mention energy; either dynamic, super-abundant, or, for that matter, strawberry flavoured.
End of story.
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What it does mention quite frequently is 'dunamis' which is translated as power, not energy.
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What it does mention quite frequently is 'dunamis' which is translated as power, not energy.
Yep.
And thesense of the word suggests more 'authority power' than 'energy'.
The translators - and I use that word very loosely - of the NWT substituted 'energy' several times - the only translation in English to do so.
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There's nothing wrong with what appears to be a need of yours to believe everything you have read in the bible, it's the apparent fact that you think the bible proves the bible Nick, doesn't exactly lend any credence to the many baseless assertions you insist on making.
You really need to go for a major sort out of the way you're doing your reasoning Nick, not to just to please me but for your own good.
To think the bible proves the bible could be described as a little more than a skewed way of thinking Nick.
Regards ippy
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Here’s a nice example of what NM’s actually doing from Sam Harris (a footnote from “The End of Faith”).
“No doubt, many students of Christian, Muslim, and Jewish esoterica will claim that my literal reading of their scriptures betrays my ignorance of their spiritual import. To be sure, occult, alchemical, and conventionally mystical interpretations in the Bible and the [Qur'an] are as old as the texts themselves, but the problem with such hermeneutical efforts . . . is that they are unrestrained by the contents of the texts themselves. One can interpret every text in such a way as to yield almost any mystical or occult instruction.
A case in point: I have selected another book at random, this time from the cookbook aisle of a bookstore. The book is A Taste of Hawaii: New Cooking from the Crossroads of the Pacific. Therein I have discovered an as yet uncelebrated mystical treatise. While it appears to be a recipe for wok-seared fish and shrimp cakes with ogo-tomato relish, we need only study its list of ingredients to know that we are in the presence of an unrivalled spiritual intelligence:
snapper filet, cubed
3 teaspoons chopped scallions
salt and freshly ground black pepper
a dash of cayenne pepper
2 teaspoons chopped fresh ginger
1 teaspoon minced garlic
8 shrimp, peeled, deveined, and cubed
1/2 cup heavy cream; 2 eggs, lightly beaten
3 teaspoons rice wine; 2 cups bread crumbs
3 tablespoons vegetable oil; 2 1/2 cups ogo tomato relish
The snapper filet, of course, is the individual himself -- you and I -- awash in the sea of existence. But here we find it cubed, which is to say that our situation must be remedied in all three dimensions of body, mind, and spirit.
Three teaspoons of chopped scallions further partakes of the cubic symmetry, suggesting that that which we need add to each level of our being by way of antidote comes likewise in equal proportions. The import of the passage is clear: the body, mind, and spirit need to be tended to with the same care.
Salt and freshly ground black pepper: here we have the perennial invocation of opposites -- the white and the black aspects of our nature. Both good and evil must be understood if we would fulfill the recipe for spiritual life. Nothing, after all, can be excluded from the human experience (this seems to be a Tantric text). What is more, salt and pepper come to us in the form of grains, which is to say that our good and bad qualities are born of the tiniest actions. Thus, we are not good or evil in general, but only by virtue of innumerable moments, which color the stream of our being by force of repetition.
A dash of cayenne pepper: clearly, being of such robust color and flavor, this signifies the spiritual influence of an enlightened adept. What shall we make of the ambiguity of its measurement? How large is a dash? Here we must rely upon the wisdom of the universe at large. The teacher himself will know precisely what we need by way of instruction. And it is at just this point in the text that the ingredients that bespeak the heat of spiritual endeavor are added to the list -- for after a dash of cayenne pepper, we find two teaspoons of chopped fresh ginger and one teaspoon of minced garlic. These form an isosceles trinity of sorts, signifying the two sides of our spiritual nature (male and female) united with the object meditation.
Next comes eight shrimp -- peeled, deveined, and cubed. The eight shrimp, of course, represent the eight worldly concerns that every spiritual aspirant must decry: fame and shame; loss and gain; pleasure and pain; praise and blame. Each needs to be deveined, peeled, and cubed -- that is, purged of its power to entrance us and incorporated on the path of practice” etc
What Sparky does is find a word or phrase from an (apparently pretty ropey) translation of the Bible that, if you squint at it a bit sideways, remove any constraints on what else it might mean, and stretch your interpretation of it beyond the breaking point of any known knicker elastic will somehow just about give you a meaning that fits with a narrative that you’ve decided already is the correct one. The real kicker here is that he then kids himself that he’s somehow got divine authority from some “accurate teachings” and away he goes.
Weird stuff indeed, but there it is anyway.
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:D :D :D Nice one!
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How long will you be disappearing this time Nick?
Regards ippy
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Just to note that where I was last night (not far from Stansted Airport) we had a gloriously clear night sky, and the star shone like diamonds scattered on velvet.
Maybe Sparky should have tried Specsavers?
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Just to note that where I was last night (not far from Stansted Airport) we had a gloriously clear night sky, and the star shone like diamonds scattered on velvet.
Maybe Sparky should have tried Specsavers?
Nick'd need to have a note on him with the message, 'Please can you tell me the shortest dynamically righteous electric route from here to Specsavers'? Attached to his white stick.
Regards ippy
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Beautiful star filled sky last night.
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Beautiful star filled sky last night.
You just imagined it because that is what you wanted to see! (Seemingly)
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You just imagined it because that is what you wanted to see! (Seemingly)
Imagined it again tonight. I never realised I had such a good imagination.
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I'll bet that the position of the stars in your imagination, match directly and exactly where they ought to be!
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I'll bet that the position of the stars in your imagination, match directly and exactly where they ought to be!
I don't know where you lot are looking, but all I can see is this dirty great horrible planet, with a lake of burning sulphur spitting out all over the place!
Sparky! Save me, please!
(I must stop watching Youtube!)
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I don't know where you lot are looking, but all I can see is this dirty great horrible planet, with a lake of burning sulphur spitting out all over the place!
Sparky! Save me, please!
(I must stop watching Youtube!)
Give Nick a while you wicked evil person and he'll be back for another drubbing, the last break lasted for several months, he's probably having another gargoyle carved out to add on to the others he has on his lectern, the one he keeps in his living room, it will be protecting him from evil spirits.
ippy
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If you want to see what is in the skies take a look at sunset every evening from now on and see the reddish/pink glow that is pervading the evening skies which is progressively getting worse, and explain that away for me.
Air pollution and global warming is my best guess (not being an expert)......all of man's own doing btw. They do look pretty though I have to admit.
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No need to repeat what is already written to you in my previous posts Seb...but here is my latest post...and don't forget the fiery lake of sulphur. If you want to see what is in the skies take a look at sunset every evening from now on and see the reddish/pink glow that is pervading the evening skies which is progressively getting worse, and explain that away
Well Nick. I looked and saw no glow.
The only explanation is that you really want to see a glow and it is therefore a figment of your imagination.
There you go, explained away.
Next.
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No one can deny that the Holy Bible and modern science agree on the same point about energy being that it is superabundant and invisible and exists in copious amounts throughout the universe, Both say the same thing, in that everything is energy.
I deny it - as does everybody else with a basic understanding of science and the slightest familiarity with the bible.
You're talking utter nonsense - neither the bible nor science say that everything is energy.
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I deny it - as does everybody else with a basic understanding of science and the slightest familiarity with the bible.
You're talking utter nonsense - neither the bible nor science say that everything is energy.
Lift up your eyes to heaven and see.
Who has created these things?
It is the One who brings out their army by number;
He calls them all by name.
Because of his vast dynamic energy and his awe-inspiring power,
Not one of them is missing.
(Isaiah 40:26 NWT)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLc7ErcdgJA
(Albert Einstein)
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The four fundamental forces of the universe can only be understood and unified, accurately, when we consider that everything is energy.
(Nicholas Marks)...15/10/2018
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Lift up your eyes to heaven and see.
Who has created these things?
It is the One who brings out their army by number;
He calls them all by name.
Because of his vast dynamic energy and his awe-inspiring power,
Not one of them is missing.
(Isaiah 40:26 NWT)
Seriously, the NWT? Even so, it doesn't say anything about everything being energy, let alone all the other drivel you keep making up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLc7ErcdgJA
(Albert Einstein)
The picture is not a real Einstein quote (https://quoteinvestigator.com/2012/05/16/everything-energy/). Even without checking, somebody who understands basic science can immediately tell that it's woo, not physics. I couldn't be bothered to watch/listen to the video because the quote underneath it was so obviously woo.
Energy isn't stuff. You can't make things out of energy. Nothing can be energy, things have energy.
See: Matter and Energy: A False Dichotomy (https://profmattstrassler.com/articles-and-posts/particle-physics-basics/mass-energy-matter-etc/matter-and-energy-a-false-dichotomy/)
[I don't expect you will bother Nicholas, as you have a totally closed mind and complete blind faith in your own nonsense, but somebody may find it interesting.]
The four fundamental forces of the universe can only be understood and unified, accurately, when we consider that everything is energy.
(Nicholas Marks)...15/10/2018
You have clearly demonstrated that you haven't the first clue about how to unify the forces of the universe, so this is just laughable.
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Just a polite suggestion to the Mods: As Sparky clearly intends only to proselytise rather than to discuss anything at all, perhaps his efforts should go to the faith sharing area for those who like that sort of thing?
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Hi, Sweet Pea…I do things the way I do them because it is at the behest of Almighty God and his much loved son, Jesus Christ, and like the watchman who is equally guilty if he doesn’t notify those he is watching over, of approaching dangers, when something sinister is approaching, I don’t want to share in the guilt of the antichrist.
Every night now, at sunset, and for a number of months, there has been a huge red tint radiating across that area of sky…it lasts for about half an hour and it is causing quite a fuss on YouTube…but, true to form, it can only be seen by those who aren’t locked into the antichrist philosophy. Trentvoyager recognises its existence, whilst Seb can’t see it, on a night when it was particularly spectacular…
Maybe I couldn't see it because of all of the "pollution" blocking my view Nick?
Oh wait a minute, you could see the "glow", so maybe there isn't any "pollution" which would explain why I could see the stars cleary, oh hold on, you can't see the stars because of all of the "pollution" , can you Nick?
Which is it?
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Can I just say I recognise sunsets which sometimes are enhanced, as I understand it, by pollution. Nothing more than that.
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Can I just say I recognise sunsets which sometimes are enhanced, as I understand it, by pollution. Nothing more than that.
Just to he clear, as Nick seems to value your superb eyesight .
Can you see the stars on a clear night,
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Just to he clear, as Nick seems to value your superb eyesight .
Can you see the stars on a clear night,
Yes, I can. Although age takes it's toll, and sometimes it is a little like through a glass darkly, but I do see them.
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Seriously, the NWT? Even so, it doesn't say anything about everything being energy, let alone all the other drivel you keep making up.
The picture is not a real Einstein quote (https://quoteinvestigator.com/2012/05/16/everything-energy/). Even without checking, somebody who understands basic science can immediately tell that it's woo, not physics. I couldn't be bothered to watch/listen to the video because the quote underneath it was so obviously woo.
Energy isn't stuff. You can't make things out of energy. Nothing can be energy, things have energy.
See: Matter and Energy: A False Dichotomy (https://profmattstrassler.com/articles-and-posts/particle-physics-basics/mass-energy-matter-etc/matter-and-energy-a-false-dichotomy/)
[I don't expect you will bother Nicholas, as you have a totally closed mind and complete blind faith in your own nonsense, but somebody may find it interesting.]
You have clearly demonstrated that you haven't the first clue about how to unify the forces of the universe, so this is just laughable.
I have just heard Albert Einstein say it himself... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzRvCkn8KL8 ... 52 mins into a documentary film called...Atomic Physics - 1948...and don't forget that the equation E=mc2 says the same thing...also, Nikola Tesla said something similar...so its a bit disappointing if you want to condemn Jesus Christ, Almighty God, the entire Jehovah Witness faith, and me, for saying the same thing, as well...ie...'everything is energy'.
Actually, it is this pure, dynamic energy, that can be particles one minute and pure energy the next that is at the root of Jesus Christ's teaching because if we harness it the way Jesus Christ taught us to we can have an indestructible spirit as well...which means it is well able to give us resurrection, after our demise, because this energy that builds stars and atoms, life and science, is indestructible as well...It's all in the Holy Bible and it brings all the four fundamental forces of the universe into one unified understanding under the authority of Almighty God, of course.
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I have just heard Albert Einstein say it himself... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzRvCkn8KL8 ... 52 mins into a documentary film called...Atomic Physics - 1948...and don't forget that the equation E=mc2
No you didn't. You claimed that "everything is energy" and the quote in your first link said "Everything is energy and that’s all there is to it. Match the frequency of the reality you want and you cannot help but get that reality. It can be no other way. This is not philosophy. This is physics." (obvious woo and not Einstein).
What he said 52 minutes into the film is "It followed from the special theory of relativity that mass and energy are both but different manifestations of the same thing — a somewhat unfamiliar conception for the average mind." - which is just about the relationship between mass and energy (E = mc2). Mass is not everything, neither is it stuff that things can be made of. Just like energy, things have mass, they are not made of mass.
You need to get this into your tiny, scientifically illiterate mind: E = mc2 does not say that everything is energy, it just gives a relationship between two attributes of actual things.
Things have mass.
Things have energy.
Mass and energy aren't things that can exist by themselves.
Hence nothing is energy and nothing is mass.
...so its a bit disappointing if you want to condemn Jesus Christ, Almighty God, the entire Jehovah Witness faith, and me, for saying the same thing, as well...ie...'everything is energy'.
It's just you, Nicholas.
I am not (on this occasion) condemning the biblical characters of Jesus and god, I really don't care about the silly superstitions that surround them (like JWs) but the bible doesn't support you and the claim that "everything is energy" is scientifically illiterate nonsense.
The rest of your post is just the usual meaningless bullshit.
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So does this mean Prof Brian Cox needs to go back to the drawing board? Remember the documentary where he opens with …. " everything is energy". And where does this leave Nikola Tesla …. “If you want to find the secrets of the universe think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration.”
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So does this mean Prof Brian Cox needs to go back to the drawing board? Remember the documentary where he opens with …. " everything is energy". And where does this leave Nikola Tesla …. “If you want to find the secrets of the universe think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration.”
Thank you SweetPea...but it will do no good. You see, like each and every one of us, Stranger is suffering from the 'silent stroke' syndrome to some degree. What we all need to do in such instances...when we realise we have it, is take in the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ. This lightens our mental load and guides us through the process of repair. A full blown stroke victim has the entire side of the body that is affected, paralysed to some degree. They don't realise that they have been breathing all wrong, closing down facilities that feed the brain, the blood, and various glands of the required levels of air and as a consequence their body is greatly harmed. Besides the slow numbness, the whole fulcrum point of the spine shifts, and weakens, and a multiple of problems, from trapped nerves and compressed glands, over long periods of time, ensure there is no recovery, but as long as they stick to this antichrist philosophy they feel they are expressing something useful, even though they could, if they sincerely repented, put themselves on Jesus Christ's repair programme.
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So does this mean Prof Brian Cox needs to go back to the drawing board? Remember the documentary where he opens with …. " everything is energy".
No I dont remember it.
Which one was it?
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So does this mean Prof Brian Cox needs to go back to the drawing board? Remember the documentary where he opens with …. " everything is energy". And where does this leave Nikola Tesla …. “If you want to find the secrets of the universe think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration.”
Thinking in terms of energy is not the same as saying that everything is energy. I find it very hard to believe the Brian Cox said "everything is energy" although he may have meant it in some non literal way, I guess.
It explains it (including why some popular science writers use the term inaccurately) here: Matter and Energy: A False Dichotomy (https://profmattstrassler.com/articles-and-posts/particle-physics-basics/mass-energy-matter-etc/matter-and-energy-a-false-dichotomy/)
Energy has a specific scientific meaning and things can't be energy. In relativity, energy is the time direction component of the energy-momentum four-vector (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-momentum). Energy is like momentum, it isn't like stuff.
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Thank you SweetPea...but it will do no good. You see, like each and every one of us... [meaningless bullshit]
No apology for linking to a false Einstein quote and then lying about hearing him say it in a film, then?
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No apology for linking to a false Einstein quote and then lying about hearing him say it in a film, then?
Crazy...but I'll say it again ...everything is mass and all mass is energy. Almighty God says it...Jesus Christ supports everything God says...Einstein/Tesla/Cox/Marks say it...and here is why...The grand unification of the four universal forces say it too.
Energy was created by the movement of plasma. The original state of the pre-big-bang universe was that a rich material we call plasma drifted around space gathering into huge, dense clouds...trillions of them in a timeless dimension and every plasma cloud was filled with potential energy that would spawn everything we see today. This is the first step of Genesis and is interpreted for us if we study the Holy Bible alongside modern science providing we accept the point of this writing which Stranger, alone, seems to disagree with...that everything is energy...even potential energy. If the words don't fit science then science must change its wording.
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Crazy...but I'll say it again ...everything is mass and all mass is energy. Almighty God says it...Jesus Christ supports everything God says...Einstein/Tesla/Cox/Marks say it...and here is why...The grand unification of the four universal forces say it too.
Energy was created by the movement of plasma. The original state of the pre-big-bang universe was that a rich material we call plasma drifted around space gathering into huge, dense clouds...trillions of them in a timeless dimension and every plasma cloud was filled with potential energy that would spawn everything we see today. This is the first step of Genesis and is interpreted for us if we study the Holy Bible alongside modern science providing we accept the point of this writing which Stranger, alone, seems to disagree with...that everything is energy...even potential energy. If the words don't fit science then science must change its wording.
A question;
How can the plasma be drifting around in space and be in a different dimension, both at the same time?
Ps
Lovely starry night with a beautiful crescent moon. A bit of light cloud drifted over but the brightest stars managed to shine through them.
Did I imagine that Nick?
I got Trent to back me up on that one. You know Trent? Him whose eyesight you trust!
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A question;
How can the plasma be drifting around in space and be in a different dimension, both at the same time?
Ps
Lovely starry night with a beautiful crescent moon. A bit of light cloud drifted over but the brightest stars managed to shine through them.
Did I imagine that Nick?
I got Trent to back me up on that one. You know Trent? Him whose eyesight you trust!
Oh ye of little imagination...The whole universe was once a static dimension...before the big-bang. It is since the big-bang that this second dimension, our dimension, came into existence...hurtling through space at the speed of the expanding universe. I have calculated that it is the friction between these two dimensions that created all mass, and all science, from that pre-existing, plasma energy....but its a bit like seeing things clearly...you have to look, to see, and sometimes you see things that aren't there...whilst the one sworn to truth will tell you exactly what is there to be seen. It is the quality of a good scientist, and there are none better than Jesus Christ and Almighty God, Jehovah.
Now, if you will excuse me, I have, Two Gifts From God...(part 32) to write.
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Oh ye of little imagination...The whole universe was once a static dimension...before the big-bang. It is since the big-bang that this second dimension, our dimension, came into existence...hurtling through space at the speed of the expanding universe.
." The original state of the pre-big-bang universe was that a rich material we call plasma drifted around space gathering into huge, dense clouds...trillions of them in a timeless dimension."
What is this "space" to which you keep referring?
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Crazy...but I'll say it again ...everything is mass and all mass is energy.
Scientifically illiterate drivel.
Almighty God says it...
Nonsense.
Einstein/Tesla/Cox/Marks say it...
Only you say it, Nicholas. Your quote "from Einstein" that said it wasn't genuine and the genuine quote from Einstein doesn't say it. You have provide no actual references for Cox or Tesla.
The grand unification of the four universal forces say it too.
Nobody has unified the forces, least of all you with your inane and meaning-free rantings.
Energy was created by the movement of plasma. The original state of the pre-big-bang universe was that a rich material we call plasma drifted around space gathering into huge, dense clouds...trillions of them in a timeless dimension and every plasma cloud was filled with potential energy that would spawn everything we see today. This is the first step of Genesis and is interpreted for us if we study the Holy Bible alongside modern science providing we accept the point of this writing which Stranger, alone, seems to disagree with...that everything is energy...even potential energy. If the words don't fit science then science must change its wording.
Meaningless bullshit.
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Stranger/Seb...
There is no convincing you is there?
Even with the stark facts in front of you you want to play with words...just as the entire rank and file of the antichrist do.
This dynamic energy is rich in potential...Galaxies are structured from it and you and I are too. This is why I can safely say that our abuse of it disturbs our own, individual, genetic code....sometimes in an evolutionary sense, sometimes in a righteous sense, sometimes in a wild, frenzied, evil sense...but, never-the-less, we can't escape its interference until we are dead and then we are stuck in the the ether in an inconsequential, boring sense, unless we can be resurrected...and that is what Jesus Christ offers those who participate in his, accurate, righteous science.
Soon the ether will be swept clean by the invading planetary bodies Biblically called Wormwood and the fiery lake of sulphur, and so we need to look for the signs and maneuver ourselves into salvation...only achievable by following Jesus Christ accurately. There is wriggle room, but not for the antichrist.
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NM there appears to be no convincing you that you keep spouting garbage with not the slightest shred of evidence to support it. ::)
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Stranger/Seb...
There is no convincing you is there?
Even with the stark facts in front of you you want to play with words...
I don't think you'd know a fact if you fell over it.
You have been presenting nothing but falsehoods (for example, everything is energy) and meaningless bullshit. It's the rest of us that have been trying to bring facts into the 'discussion' - not play with words - what words are being played with?
This dynamic energy is rich in potential...Galaxies are structured from it and you and I are too. This is why I can safely say that our abuse of it disturbs our own, individual, genetic code....sometimes in an evolutionary sense, sometimes in a righteous sense, sometimes in a wild, frenzied, evil sense...but, never-the-less, we can't escape its interference until we are dead and then we are stuck in the the ether in an inconsequential, boring sense, unless we can be resurrected...and that is what Jesus Christ offers those who participate in his, accurate, righteous science.
Soon the ether will be swept clean by the invading planetary bodies Biblically called Wormwood and the fiery lake of sulphur, and so we need to look for the signs and maneuver ourselves into salvation...only achievable by following Jesus Christ accurately. There is wriggle room, but not for the antichrist.
Bullshit.
You clearly know bugger all about science and are attempting to deceive people into thinking that you do. Thankfully, you're not very good at it...
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I don't think you'd know a fact if you fell over it.
You have been presenting nothing but falsehoods (for example, everything is energy) and meaningless bullshit. It's the rest of us that have been trying to bring facts into the 'discussion' - not play with words - what words are being played with?
Bullshit.
You clearly know bugger all about science and are attempting to deceive people into thinking that you do. Thankfully, you're not very good at it...
Whilst I'm sure Nick doesn't mean any harm with the complete nonsense he insists on writing, it does give me a cause for concern when you get someone like Nick spouting off with his nonsense in front of very young vulnerable children and promoting his nonsense as though he's passing on factual information, apart from that it's all good fun, no need to take the smell of sulphur fumes on as a serious problem; I don't think?
Regards ippy
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NM you really are the daftest poster I have ever come across and that is saying something. ::) The nonsense you come out with get crazier with each post, I doubt anyone takes you seriously. I bet god and Jesus wouldn't either if they exist out there somewhere. Nothing you say has any credibility whatsoever, it is tragic you appear to be unable to see how you come over to others.
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The fact that Jesus Christ taught us about this invisible energy and told us how important it is to us, seems to be totally lost on you...
That's because it's patently untrue that the biblical Jesus character taught about an "invisible energy" - you're just making it up.
...even though millions, over many generations, have looked it out, put it to the test and, for those who find the accuracy within that teaching, will not let go of it.
Name one single person who actually agrees with you. I don't mean people who just said something that you think supports your silly nonsense, I mean somebody who's actually read your posts or website and said that they agreed.
Anybody?
Here it is again for those hard of hearing...The only way this universe could possibly exist in the way, the form, and the scientific structure that is within it, is, if a single, dynamic energy, existed before hand.
This is just a silly, childish assertion. Where is the reasoning, where is the science, and where is the mathematics?
Einstein alludes to it...Tesla alludes to it, and it appears, Brian Cox alludes to it as well.
Drivel - none of them have said anything remotely like your silly, scientifically illiterate drivel. Stop lying.
We can't all be wrong and Stranger right.
I can assure you that what I'm saying agrees with Einstein and Cox - it is you that is making shit up.
Once again you are attempting to deceive people into thinking that you know about science. Fortunately, you're so inept it's comical rather than in the least bit convincing...
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NM, you and the so called 'truth' are at other ends of the spectrum! ::)
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I like Doctor Who. More Scientifically ACCURATE..........
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To look at a problem scientifically... [lots of bullshit and no science]
You haven't the first clue how to look at anything scientifically, Nicholas and your silly pretence is an insult to everybody who has made the effort to study science.
Is it that you are just too lazy to learn any real science or did you try and it was just too difficult for you?
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Be fair, NS:
NM knows as much about medicine as he does about chemistry, biology, archaeology, or, for that matter theology.
'Nuff said.
I may be mistaken but he writes like he has a black belt in stupidology though!
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"If all the world were paper,
And all the sea were ink,
If all the trees Were bread and cheese,
What should we have to drink?"
That rhyme I recollect from my childhood, as well as the moon being made of green cheese or being inhabited by the man in the moon are all just as credible as NM's 'accurate' silly nonsense!
My younger sister visited us yesterday, we were recollecting days of yore when we were kids. One memory was of the time when she was five and fell into a slurry pit, I was ten and supposed to be keeping an eye on her! I mention this because NM sprang to mind as he is dragging Jesus through the slurry pit by attributing crazy things to him are never mentioned in the Bible.
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Moderator:
Given the content of some posts over the last day or so we have removed all the posts by Nicholas Marks in this thread (and one in another thread) that contained sections headed 'Two Gifts From God', along with any quotes of these posts, on the basis of both reports made by members regarding the content of these posts and since the 'Two Gifts From God' sections were primarily instances of proselytising as opposed to being responses to on-going discussion.