Religion and Ethics Forum
General Category => Politics & Current Affairs => Topic started by: Walt Zingmatilder on November 16, 2018, 08:44:14 AM
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The health secretary Hancock cannot apparently guarantee that no one will die because of no deal Brexit.
May apparently skated over the issue with Ferrari on LBC.
Will Brexit kill? Will that make No deal murderers?
How will responsibility in this matter be denied?
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Eh?
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The health secretary Hancock cannot apparently guarantee that no one will die because of no deal Brexit.
May apparently skated over the issue with Ferrari on LBC.
Will Brexit kill? Will that make No deal murderers?
How will responsibility in this matter be denied?
What on earth are you talking about?
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If some are impoverished after Brexit,they could starve. I can't see it happening but some believe it might happen and are stockpiling tinned food.
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The they're idiots.
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The question was essentially about whether anyone could die because of problems with drug supplies on a no-deal brexit.
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Yes, I thought the worry is about medicines, especially those that need refrigeration. I think there are plans to fly some in, but it must be scary if you rely on them.
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Yes, I thought the worry is about medicines, especially those that need refrigeration. I think there are plans to fly some in, but it must be scary if you rely on them.
Even if medicines come under a special treaty there is the question of being held up if the ports are ballsed.
Time to reopen Manston perhaps.
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The health secretary Hancock cannot apparently guarantee that no one will die because of no deal Brexit.
May apparently skated over the issue with Ferrari on LBC.
Will Brexit kill? Will that make No deal murderers?
How will responsibility in this matter be denied?
People are already dying with or without Brexit. Two people found dead living on the streets in one night last week or so.
Children can now be thrown on the streets with their parent's and our people and our forces are on the street yet the Government brings people in and finds them homes first.
Brexit - is the only way forward for this Country to stop being rules by OUTSIDE forces who tell us what we can and cannot do.
What I am amazed at, is the way everyone shoves their head in the sand and fails to recognise that we were loosing our identity as a nation and the EU is a legal form of Hitlers idea to unite all the countries under one leader..
Nothing about the EU is good for Britain and we should have learned our lesson. Whose next to leave the EU? I guess some only entered because Britain in it. How many will want to exit now?
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We will be much worse off financially, and in other ways, if we leave the EU.
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Brexit - is the only way forward for this Country to stop being rules by OUTSIDE forces who tell us what we can and cannot do.
You really don't get it do you. The way this country is currently is down to domestic politics. It's got very little to do with the EU. You don't believe me?
Look at every policy decision taken to do with homelessness or mental health or the health service or social services or the police force and on and on.
The policy decisions were taken here with no input from the EU. They were by and large the wrong policy decision taken by an out of touch government presently led by a deluded woman who thinks that by her sheer presence of non-personality can force some kind of miracle in parliament.
It's always been easy to use the EU as a scapegoat for everything that goes wrong in this disunited country, but the truth is the blame lies much closer to home.
The way we are manipulated to see the poor and homeless and black people as our enemies when they are part of our society is disgraceful and it has fuck all to do with the EU no matter how flawed that institution is.
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People are already dying with or without Brexit. Two people found dead living on the streets in one night last week or so.
Children can now be thrown on the streets with their parent's and our people and our forces are on the street yet the Government brings people in and finds them homes first.
Brexit - is the only way forward for this Country to stop being rules by OUTSIDE forces who tell us what we can and cannot do.
What I am amazed at, is the way everyone shoves their head in the sand and fails to recognise that we were loosing our identity as a nation and the EU is a legal form of Hitlers idea to unite all the countries under one leader..
Nothing about the EU is good for Britain and we should have learned our lesson. Whose next to leave the EU? I guess some only entered because Britain in it. How many will want to exit now?
Do you know what? The EU has absolutely nothing to do with our homeless problem. The people dying that you refer to did not die because of anything the EU did. They died because our safety net that our government that we elected is inadequate.
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Do you know what? The EU has absolutely nothing to do with our homeless problem. The people dying that you refer to did not die because of anything the EU did. They died because our safety net that our government that we elected is inadequate.
Well to be fair there are homeless EU citizens in the UK. They don't get priority housing though. They get this.
https://www.theguardian.com/housing-network/2017/dec/20/brexit-bonfire-legal-protection-homeless-eu-migrants
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the EU is a legal form of Hitlers idea to unite all the countries under one leader..
Don't compare the EU to the Nazis, who gassed civilians. Do you think the people who fought the Nazis would agree with you?
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Don't compare the EU to the Nazis, who gassed civilians. Do you think the people who fought the Nazis would agree with you?
That comment made by Sass was without any justification, imo.
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Apparently the EU wants to make criticsm of migration a criminal offence. Lot's to dislike about the EU. Plenty of reason to leave.
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Brexit - is the only way forward for this Country to stop being rules by OUTSIDE forces who tell us what we can and cannot do.
What I am amazed at, is the way everyone shoves their head in the sand and fails to recognise that we were loosing our identity as a nation and the EU is a legal form of Hitlers idea to unite all the countries under one leader..
Nothing about the EU is good for Britain and we should have learned our lesson. Whose next to leave the EU? I guess some only entered because Britain in it. How many will want to exit now?
What an incredibly bloody stupid post - and as such, apart from the better grammar and spelling, about typical of all the Brexshitter posts on Facebook I keep reading.
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Children can now be thrown on the streets with their parent's and our people and our forces are on the street yet the Government brings people in and finds them homes first.
Which children are put out on the street and with their parent's 'what'? Property?
I've not known of any government that brings people in and finds them homes 'first'. First in what? Maybe b&b for refugees. I wouldn't ban refugees but you are talking about EU migrants, some of whom I know. They work, often in jobs that the native UK people won't do, and they live in house shares, very overcrowded, for which they pay rent. Hardly a drain on our society. Would that more people were so hard working.
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Apparently the EU wants to make criticsm of migration a criminal offence. Lot's to dislike about the EU. Plenty of reason to leave.
Campaign to have your country veto the idea. The EU is not some separate body beamed in by aliens. It consists of governments and commissioners and MEPs from the member states. Don’t blame the EU as though you had nothing to do with it.
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Campaign to have your country veto the idea. The EU is not some separate body beamed in by aliens. It consists of governments and commissioners and MEPs from the member states. Don’t blame the EU as though you had nothing to do with it.
Campaign? Recent events have converted me to being a believer that what the government and political elite want to happen will happen, regardless of any campaigning, lobbying or petition. Lip service is all that is given.
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https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/232698
I expect this will reach the figure required for a debate as it runs until May 2019. It is past the 10,000 figure but as yet no response from the Government.
Waste of time I would say. In fact I believe this on line petition thing is pointless, unless anyone can point me to one which has actually been successful. As far as I am aware reaching 100,000 and having it debated in Parliament means thank you, but no, we are ignoring it as it is not what we want to happen so go away and crawl back into your hole.
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It is a UN treaty and:
- Nothing to do with the EU
- Not binding or mandatory on any country
- Does not "make criticism of migration a criminal offence"
... so the usual media rubbish designed to stir up an immediate reaction preferably "over the top".
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Campaign? Recent events have converted me to being a believer that what the government and political elite want to happen will happen, regardless of any campaigning, lobbying or petition. Lip service is all that is given.
Is that the British government? If so, surely we need the EU to keep it well behaved. For example, when we are out of the EU, the government will be able to repeal a lot of the protections for employees that the EU has put in place. I can see why Jacob Rees Mogg and Nigel Farage might like that, but I doubt it will be a good thing for anybody on this message board who is still working.
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Since a hard Brexit is a possibility and no one in the EU is going to be harmed the thread title should now be why are brexitters prepared to see British people die for a hard Brexit?
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Since a hard Brexit is a possibility and no one in the EU is going to be harmed the thread title should now be why are brexitters prepared to see British people die for a hard Brexit?
Who's going to kick the bucket?
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Who's going to kick the bucket?
People who can't get their meds.
People who cannot get medical help because of road blockages in Kent.
If Medes only become available at shocking prices it could in a matter of days break hundreds of thousands financially.
The normal order will then fall in consequence.
Those profiting will merely stack up resentment against themselves.
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Remainers doom and gloom scare tactics. The UK ain't going to run out of medicines.
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Remainers doom and gloom scare tactics. The UK ain't going to run out of medicines.
And you know that for a fact because...…….? ::)
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And you know that for a fact because...…….? ::)
Because he lives in Finland and isn’t going to be affected by Brexit one way or the other. It’s easy to smugly decry project fear if the bad stuff isn’t going to hurt you.
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Oh I'd love for us to leave the EU.
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Oh I'd love for us to leave the EU.
He wants his bwexit.
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Dont forget Joe Cox a remainer has already been Killed.
What are the so called 17 million doing wanting to irisk interrupting medical supplies?
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Oh I'd love for us to leave the EU.
Haver you seen how much of a mess it is over here?
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I go to England regularly, mainly to see friends and go to the football, and so have lots of contacts there and I do follow what happens there. Don't forget I was born there and lived there for 25 years.
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I go to England regularly, mainly to see friends and go to the football, and so have lots of contacts there and I do follow what happens there. Don't forget I was born there and lived there for 25 years.
You are a tourist .Will you keep coming to the UK after Brexit do you think?
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You are a tourist .Will you keep coming to the UK after Brexit do you think?
Why on Earth not? Silly question.
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You are a tourist .Will you keep coming to the UK after Brexit do you think?
I thought the whole point of Brexit was to keep other EU citizens out.
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I thought the whole point of Brexit was to keep other EU citizens out.
I'm a UK citizen aswell ( dual citizenship from birth).
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We will be much worse off financially, and in other ways, if we leave the EU.
RUBBISH.... it is costing us billions subsidizing the economies of the poorer countries and their financial failings.
We will be better off and the EU will still want to trade with us. We are part of the commonwealth which has about 52 other countries. We would survive and be better off ruling ourselves.
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RUBBISH.... it is costing us billions subsidizing the economies of the poorer countries and their financial failings.
We will be better off and the EU will still want to trade with us. We are part of the commonwealth which has about 52 other countries. We would survive and be better off ruling ourselves.
Why shouldn't we subsidise other, poorer countries? Your attitude is rather selfish, if I may say so. As for trading with the EU: We'll still have to obey their rules, but will have no say in them.
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RUBBISH.... it is costing us billions subsidizing the economies of the poorer countries and their financial failings.
We will be better off and the EU will still want to trade with us. We are part of the commonwealth which has about 52 other countries. We would survive and be better off ruling ourselves.
What an unpleasant person you are, >:( thank goodness the UK supports poorer countries. As for us leaving the EU, I suspect the UK will be much worse off. We need the EU and they need us.
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Why shouldn't we subsidise other, poorer countries? Your attitude is rather selfish, if I may say so. As for trading with the EU: We'll still have to obey their rules, but will have no say in them.
Grow up! What is selfish is paying all that money out to countries who being part of the EU is crippling when our own people and service men are living on our streets,
The truth is the EU is allowing Islam States to form. Look at France... do they care? Look at the riots and look at why they are really happening. Our Military is not for the protection of the EU it is for the protection of our Country first.... There was a drop in those enlisting in the forces
The UK armed forces are short of 8,200 soldiers, sailors and air personnel, a report found earlier this year, the worse shortage since 2010. Guess putting service men on the streets after serving is not appealing to those who would have normally joined this last year or so.
You need to stop the tunnel vision and have a look what is really happening around you.
The EU has done nothing for us, but take out wealth to subsidize the poorer countries who joined the EU whose economies changed because of the monetary system and value.
The EU is and always will be the worst decision GB made when they joined. If the EU was so perfect then the uprising would not be happening. We are exiting at the right time.
Even Trump knew more and saw more than other politicians within the EU let alone outside where he is looking in from. WE WILL SURVIVE So being truthful and sensible is not selfish.
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Grow up! What is selfish is paying all that money out to countries who being part of the EU is crippling when our own people and service men are living on our streets,
The truth is the EU is allowing Islam States to form. Look at France... do they care? Look at the riots and look at why they are really happening. Our Military is not for the protection of the EU it is for the protection of our Country first.... There was a drop in those enlisting in the forces
The UK armed forces are short of 8,200 soldiers, sailors and air personnel, a report found earlier this year, the worse shortage since 2010. Guess putting service men on the streets after serving is not appealing to those who would have normally joined this last year or so.
You need to stop the tunnel vision and have a look what is really happening around you.
The EU has done nothing for us, but take out wealth to subsidize the poorer countries who joined the EU whose economies changed because of the monetary system and value.
The EU is and always will be the worst decision GB made when they joined. If the EU was so perfect then the uprising would not be happening. We are exiting at the right time.
Even Trump knew more and saw more than other politicians within the EU let alone outside where he is looking in from. WE WILL SURVIVE So being truthful and sensible is not selfish.
You sound like a UKRAP or BNP member.
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You sound like a UKRAP or BNP member.
That woman does appear to be on very the extremist right wing, if her posts are an indication of her political leanings. :o
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What an unpleasant person you are, >:( thank goodness the UK supports poorer countries. As for us leaving the EU, I suspect the UK will be much worse off. We need the EU and they need us.
That is why the EU cannot work... Humans like yourself attack people for telling the truth when the truth is not to their liking. Nothing unpleasant about me. I never voted to go into Europe.
I am not president of France who wants France to become an Islam State. I never asked countries who economies were strong to change their monetary system and become part of a system which would cause their economy to fail because they relied on tourism and that tourism dropped when they no longer gave the same value for money.
You don't like truth unless it is your version of it. Face THE FACT'S... the EU is causing greater problems and hence the riots. What has being in the EU done for France?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46331783
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/03/greek-riot-police-teargas-protest-eu-migration-policy-lesbos
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/04/emmanuel-macron-crisis-france-europe-far-right
http://geoawesomeness.com/protest-in-eu-countries-1979-2012/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/5258634/Riots-across-Europe-fuelled-by-economic-crisis.html
People who like yourself support the above by wanting to remain in the EU would be considered to be supporting that which is worst in human nature.
Instead of making statements for which you have nothing knowledge wise to support, how about replying with an informed decision for once and stop trying to support yourself with unfounded allegations which insults the person you are replying to. I KNOW why I believe the EU is NOT good for Britain. You appear to choose the side shouting the loudest and throw your lot in with them.
The best outcome for Britain with the evidence of what is happening in these EU Countries is for us to be independent again... with or without a deal.
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That is why the EU cannot work... Humans like yourself attack people for telling the truth when the truth is not to their liking. Nothing unpleasant about me. I never voted to go into Europe.
I am not president of France who wants France to become an Islam State. I never asked countries who economies were strong to change their monetary system and become part of a system which would cause their economy to fail because they relied on tourism and that tourism dropped when they no longer gave the same value for money.
You don't like truth unless it is your version of it. Face THE FACT'S... the EU is causing greater problems and hence the riots. What has being in the EU done for France?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46331783
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/03/greek-riot-police-teargas-protest-eu-migration-policy-lesbos
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/04/emmanuel-macron-crisis-france-europe-far-right
http://geoawesomeness.com/protest-in-eu-countries-1979-2012/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/5258634/Riots-across-Europe-fuelled-by-economic-crisis.html
People who like yourself support the above by wanting to remain in the EU would be considered to be supporting that which is worst in human nature.
Instead of making statements for which you have nothing knowledge wise to support, how about replying with an informed decision for once and stop trying to support yourself with unfounded allegations which insults the person you are replying to. I KNOW why I believe the EU is NOT good for Britain. You appear to choose the side shouting the loudest and throw your lot in with them.
The best outcome for Britain with the evidence of what is happening in these EU Countries is for us to be independent again... with or without a deal.
GARBAGE!!!!!! >:(
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You sound like a UKRAP or BNP member.
There was NOTHING in my post but facts about the EU are you saying that the EU is UKRAP OR BNP? Your reply was simply an insult but it shows your lack of education in your inability to debate the issues that matter. Worryingly, it shows an ability to 'blindly' press on for what you want without really knowing the cost. Sticking your fingers in your ears so you don't have to listen to the truth.
I am English and I put my Country and my People before all others. I want my Country to survive with Christian views to love God and love one another. If you had shown the ability to want to make an informed decision then you would have read my post and all that was within it before making a decision based on how you feel and not what you know,
Insult me all your want but your IGNORANCE is the loudest thing seen in your post.
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That woman does appear to be on very the extremist right wing, if her posts are an indication of her political leanings. :o
Does that really cover up the fact you haven't a clue why you want to remain in the EU?
At least I know why it is important and have good reasons for leaving the EU.
Do you think you will eventually, find reasons for your wanting to remain?
Oh, other than your excuse to duck the reality by insulting others. Not an intelligent move.
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Good grief, I reminded that 'democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time'.
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Does that really cover up the fact you haven't a clue why you want to remain in the EU?
At least I know why it is important and have good reasons for leaving the EU.
Do you think you will eventually, find reasons for your wanting to remain?
Oh, other than your excuse to duck the reality by insulting others. Not an intelligent move.
Sass with each post you are not doing yourself any favours whatsoever. Britain is a very small country and cannot stand alone these days without the help and support of the EU. We cannot rely on the country across the pond to back us up with the dangerous cretin who is now in the White House.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/16/brexit-is-a-business-bankrupter-small-firms-brace-for-no-deal?fbclid=IwAR0p9O5O5LS5PXGa3vKsOJ6MQc35nGXYNeDsl_jwGbmL-dIn2R10YLh1YHI
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/16/brexit-is-a-business-bankrupter-small-firms-brace-for-no-deal?fbclid=IwAR0p9O5O5LS5PXGa3vKsOJ6MQc35nGXYNeDsl_jwGbmL-dIn2R10YLh1YHI
It looks like Brexit could ruin the British economy. :o
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Sass with each post you are not doing yourself any favours whatsoever. Britain is a very small country and cannot stand alone these days without the help and support of the EU. We cannot rely on the country across the pond to back us up with the dangerous cretin who is now in the White House.
That is really nonsense... Britain has been able to stand on it's own feet well before the USA came into existence.
We still have the common wealth and we have been able to cope before and after the EU. When it comes to GB we can stand alone and do not need the EU. Even the Queen before the referendum would ask her dinner guests and friends to give two good reasons why we need to remain in the EU. Yours never came up as a reason because Britain has good relations with other Countries and we would soon be back to standing on our own two feet instead of being milked by the EU.
The EU is the ones who will have the problems because those poorer countries who found it too expensive which we all had to pay billions to bail out will seriously think of leaving too.
We do not need the EU...
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Even the Queen before the referendum would ask her dinner guests and friends to give two good reasons why we need to remain in the EU.
I suppose evidence wouldn't be too much to ask for in regard to this claim?
PS Go to the Commonwealth. They've moved on. They don't need us particularly.
You are deluded if you think leaving the EU is going to somehow make us richer. It won't. Yes we will get a modicum of "control" back. This though will be far outweighed by the overwhelming problems all countries face which are namely climate change and the control that multi nationals impose on all countries. We would be better off and better able to cope with challenges if we joined forces with our fellow Europeans instead of cutting ourselves off. Still the phrase Little Englander exists for a reason.
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That is really nonsense... Britain has been able to stand on it's own feet well before the USA came into existence.
Before the USA came into existence the UK was a fairly insignificant trading nation on the edge of Europe with a population about one tenth the size of now. Things have changed slightly since then.
We still have the common wealth
The Commonwealth represents the past. The EU is the future.
and we have been able to cope before and after the EU.
I don’t want us to be coping. I want us to be thriving and prosperous and able to help other nations to thrive and be prosperous.
When it comes to GB we can stand alone and do not need the EU. Even the Queen before the referendum would ask her dinner guests and friends to give two good reasons why we need to remain in the EU. Yours never came up as a reason because Britain has good relations with other Countries and we would soon be back to standing on our own two feet instead of being milked by the EU.
I think citation needed for that one.
The EU is the ones who will have the problems because those poorer countries who found it too expensive which we all had to pay billions to bail out will seriously think of leaving too.
Now you are conflating the EU and the Eurozone. Also, has it not occurred to you that it helps us to help other nations in difficulty. For one thing, where do you think all the immigrants come from?
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That is really nonsense... Britain has been able to stand on it's own feet well before the USA came into existence.
We still have the common wealth and we have been able to cope before and after the EU. When it comes to GB we can stand alone and do not need the EU. Even the Queen before the referendum would ask her dinner guests and friends to give two good reasons why we need to remain in the EU. Yours never came up as a reason because Britain has good relations with other Countries and we would soon be back to standing on our own two feet instead of being milked by the EU.
The EU is the ones who will have the problems because those poorer countries who found it too expensive which we all had to pay billions to bail out will seriously think of leaving too.
We do not need the EU...
Much as it galls me to agree with superflounce, I think she's right and you're wrong. Brexit may not be as bad as the worst predictions, but it'll be bad enough. We'll still have to do business with the EU, and abide by their rules, but we'll have no say in those rules.
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That is really nonsense... Britain has been able to stand on it's own feet well before the USA came into existence.
We still have the common wealth and we have been able to cope before and after the EU. When it comes to GB we can stand alone and do not need the EU. Even the Queen before the referendum would ask her dinner guests and friends to give two good reasons why we need to remain in the EU. Yours never came up as a reason because Britain has good relations with other Countries and we would soon be back to standing on our own two feet instead of being milked by the EU.
The EU is the ones who will have the problems because those poorer countries who found it too expensive which we all had to pay billions to bail out will seriously think of leaving too.
We do not need the EU...
Just about all the Brexiteers I know present a picture rather like the one you do: based firmly in the past and totally disregarding the fact that the future will be different. Apart from anything else the majority of the the people who voted for leave will not be around to "enjoy" the fruits of their action - they will be dead, leaving the people who did want to remain to clear up the catastrophic mess the produced.
Forget the Commonwealth - it no longer exists in the form that you appear to imagine. Australia and New Zealand may have a lingering ... err .... fondness for the "mother country" but it is nothing more that that. Why on earth should they divert their profitable and well establish trade in foodstuff with the likes of Japan - for nothing more than sentiment? The Jewel of the Empire, India, already controls one of the few remnants of the UK motor industry. For how much longer will JLR remain in the West Midlands when there is a plant being developed in Slovakia?
As for Britain (well, it will probably be just England - Scotland will have become independent and joined the EU and the island of Ireland will contain a single, unified nation) there was once, only a few hundred years ago, a time when England was a European offshore runt. The most powerful country, a great seafaring nation, was Portugal - how things change ...
And as far as your revelations about Buckingham Palace are concerned ... I hope that illegal substances are not responsible for your fantasies. ::)
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Yours never came up as a reason because Britain has good relations with other Countries and we would soon be back to standing on our own two feet instead of being milked by the EU.
Good relations count for nothing in trade - unless you have a trade deal you will be trading on punitive WTO terms and that will massively harm the UK.
Leaving the EU will mean that we lose dozens of fantastic deals with countries across the globe that we currently can benefit from as a member. We will start from scratch with all of those countries, needing to negotiate new deals before we can even start thinking of deals which we don't currently have. And negotiating trade deals takes years - I think the average for a relatively simple deal is 4 years. Canada (the one many brexiteers keep talking about) took over 7 years from start of negotiations.
And we are not being milked by the EU - the benefits purely in economic terms of being an EU member state far outweigh the costs of membership. And there are all the other benefits of cooperation, travel, work rights etc etc.
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There are bound to be deaths due to changed traffic arrangements. A false turn here a lorry door opened there.
A Plod not understanding their instructions etc.
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Regarding the 100 truck manston test by the department of transport., drivers are reporting to BBC Kent that the turnings at Manston are too tight for artics.
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Regarding the 100 truck manston test by the department of transport., drivers are reporting to BBC Kent that the turnings at Manston are too tight for artics.
Is the minimum radius an artic circle?
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Arctic rolls are quite tightly rolled. Arctic Monkeys jump from tree to tree.
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Coming back to the original question how safe did Anna Soubry look today:
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/tory-mp-anna-soubry-called-nazi-by-chanting-protesters-live-on-bbc-news/ar-BBRVaeG?MSCC=1546903932&ocid=ientp
As well as this being very worrying, it is also of interest that the people protesting her seem to be totally unaware as to one of the main reasons historically for the EU being in existence. It would be funny, if it weren't so dangerous.
I still keep thinking to myself just look who you have enabled Mr Cameron.
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I think we need an element of being careful here. Lots of this has been going on. That said, some of this would have got you a breach of the peace generally
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I don't understand, NS. Are you justifying this behaviour?
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I think we need an element of being careful here. Lots of this has been going on. That said, some of this would have got you a breach of the peace generally
I'm more than aware of the fact that a lot of it has been going on. See this which I've copied from my FB feed from June 2016 (the bit in bold is me giving an explanation of context the reply speaks for itself) :
Friends IF you have doubts about Remaining - please read the following which was a reply to me when I queried our ability to get meaningful trade deals outside the EU - as you will see it is a very insightful, meaningful post and persuades me of how I've got the EU so wrong! (apologies already for the language):
"Stupid cunt, you really havent red up on this have you. China will h ve us a trade deal, they have even daid so. Im glad the last world war was in the 30s coz cunts like you dont have a spine and you are an embarrassment to this country and the men and women that have fought and died for this country. If I ever see you in the street I will teach ou the meaning of being britsihsh you patheic embarrassment of a cunt"
That was when I decided to largely step away from discussing issues on FB with anyone except friends.
I am however worried about the atmosphere that all this takes place in. This isn't happening in a vacuum. We have a very serious situation with mental health care and whilst the numpties berating Ms Soubry currently may not pose a physical threat, what do they encourage?
PS I also love the irony of them calling AS a Nazi.
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I'm more than aware of the fact that a lot of it has been going on. See this which I've copied from my FB feed from June 2016 (the bit in bold is me giving an explanation of context the reply speaks for itself) :
That was when I decided to largely step away from discussing issues on FB with anyone except friends.
I am however worried about the atmosphere that all this takes place in. This isn't happening in a vacuum. We have a very serious situation with mental health care and whilst the numpties berating Ms Soubry currently may not pose a physical threat, what do they encourage?
PS I also love the irony of them calling AS a Nazi.
Agree with all of that. I'm just wary of portraying it as somehow the country being especially divided. Lots of politicians have received abuse for many years, and there is a tendency to attribute this to the fact of having had the referendum somehow causing the division rather than the referendum being a symptom. Indeed elsewhere I have seen it suggested that the abuse of Soubry was in some way caused by the Scottish referendum.
I think there is a coarsening of the public debate but that it is too easy to allow that to create a them and us discussion which becomes a vicious circle.
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I believe that Margaret Thatcher characterised referenda as being tools used by dictators and autocrats. It is ironic that the use of the device by one of her successors for party management purposes has resulted in enlivening a segment of the adult population who appear to be attracted to the control methods favoured by dictators.
I fear that things can only get worse ...
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I believe that Margaret Thatcher characterised referenda as being tools used by dictators and autocrats. It is ironic that the use of the device by one of her successors for party management purposes has resulted in enlivening a segment of the adult population who appear to be attracted to the control methods favoured by dictators.
I fear that things can only get worse ...
As covered in my reply to trentvoyager, I think attributing this to the use of referendums makes little sense. There have been divisions before, and there are similar divisions elsewhere where there has been no equivalent referendums.
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Britain had never had a national referendum before the 1975 one, and it was almost 36 years before the next one, on the alternative vote. Now we seem to have the bloody things every other year. Much as it galls me to say it, Thatcher was right about them.
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Britain had never had a national referendum before the 1975 one, and it was almost 36 years before the next one, on the alternative vote. Now we seem to have the bloody things every other year. Much as it galls me to say it, Thatcher was right about them.
We've only ever had 3. And they are as far as I can see irrelevant to this behaviour.