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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Roses on April 15, 2019, 06:36:18 PM
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47941794
That is terrible! :o
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47941794
That is terrible! :o
it wasn't me , I've been here all day!!!!!
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My wife is flying to Paris tomorrow, with me following Thursday. Struggling to comprehend the loss of such an iconic building.
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Very interesting and informative thread on the tragic fire
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1117847726786371585.html
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This is terrible. The TV pictures I am seeing now make it look weird. I googled some pics to find out why, and it’s because the roof has totally gone.
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The first 6 minutes of Civilisation seems apposite
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TxsVroiUHik&fbclid=IwAR1zvkHFMlpKv50b7Imb0Zc4s1z1-QxDL7fqj_SVv_2uWRIwyxRmjpRTTvs
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Does anybody know if there are casualties? The BBC doesn’t seem to be mentioning any, so does that mean we think everybody got out?
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Donald Trump injects some humour.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1117844987293487104
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So far there don't seem to be any casualties, though it hasn't been confirmed. Also reports are that the moveable works of art have been saved, and the crown of thorns.
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I am so glad there has been no reports of casualties. A French billionaire has donated the 100 million euros (£86, 000, 000) to help with the restoration.
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The biggest sadness for me is that most of the concerns are for a loss of a tourist attraction rather than the loss of the loss of a magnificent place of worship.
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The biggest sadness for me is that most of the concerns are for a loss of a tourist attraction rather than the loss of the loss of a magnificent place of worship.
I think that's a hugely simplistic analysis of why people might regret it. Perhaps you need to stop feeling superior about your loss.
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The biggest sadness for me is that most of the concerns are for a loss of a tourist attraction rather than the loss of the loss of a magnificent place of worship.
Where have you got that from? I've heard no mention of tourism at all.
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Where have you got that from? I've heard no mention of tourism at all.
It was certainly a tourist attraction.
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It was certainly a tourist attraction.
Or course it is.
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It was certainly a tourist attraction.
Which is irrelevant to AB's claim that the loss most people have expressed is about the loss of a tourist attraction.
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NS,
Which is irrelevant to AB's claim that the Islamist people have expressed is about the loss of a tourist attraction.
"Islamist"? Typo maybe?
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I have just seen that a firefighter was seriously injured in the blaze. :o
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Even if they didn't fix it, it would still remain a tourist attraction, perhaps not the number one tourist attraction in France though.
Anyway, here is some good news.
https://twitter.com/areinaud/status/1117916691353067521
For the most part, the stone vaulting has protected the interior of the cathedral from serious damage. When I saw the images on TV yesterday, I thought the place would be completely gutted but it's not.
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I have just seen that a firefighter was seriously injured in the blaze. :o
Where dud you see this? BBC says one fire fighter suffered minor injuries.
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Where dud you see this? BBC says one fire fighter suffered minor injuries.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/notre-dame-cathedral-fire-firefighter-injury-paris-latest-a8871656.html
I wonder how true this is as it hasn't actually been mentioned on the news.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/notre-dame-cathedral-fire-firefighter-injury-paris-latest-a8871656.html
I wonder how true this is as it hasn't actually been mentioned on the news.
Think we'd have heard this widely if true. Hopefully its not.
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NS,
"Islamist"? Typo maybe?
And DYAC
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Think we'd have heard this widely if true. Hopefully its not.
A tragic loss for all of us, equally for religious believers or non-believers it's common history for all.
ippy
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A tragic loss for all of us, equally for religious believers or non-believers it's common history for all.
ippy
Why did you quote me?
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The biggest sadness for me is that most of the concerns are for a loss of a tourist attraction rather than the loss of the loss of a magnificent place of worship.
France seems to have a cathedral in every town, or at least that's the impression I got. Their churches are massive!
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It is a pity the RCC doesn't spend more helping the poor rather than on its buildings.
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It is a pity the RCC doesn't spend more helping the poor rather than on its buildings.
The RCC doesn't own Notre Dam if course. Not sure they own any f the churches in France either, could be wrong though.
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Floo,
It is a pity the RCC doesn't spend more helping the poor rather than on its buildings.
Notre-Dame Cathedral is owned by the French Ministry of Culture.
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Why did you quote me?
I didn't knowingly quote you, I placed my own personal feelings about Notre Dame on this forum and it looks like my view coincides with yours; you must be bordering on being a genius!
Regards ippy :)
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The RCC doesn't own Notre Dam if course. Not sure they own any f the churches in France either, could be wrong though.
Churches were taken into State ownership during the Revolution and have so remained - although I do not know of the status of any churches built since then.
The three churches in my commune are all owned and managed by the commune. There is an individual responsible for managing bookings. The church in the main village is used for both RC and CofE services (local expat community). It accommodates more Anglican than RC events.
I note Alan Burns vacuous comment. He clearly fails to understand the cultural importance of ancient churches if he perceives them to be of interest only to believers and grockles. The buildings encapsulate a huge range of important cultural attributes related to the development of modern values - one of which is religious belief.
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Why did you quote me?
Why didn’t you quote me?
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I didn't knowingly quote you, I placed my own personal feelings about Notre Dame on this forum and it looks like my view coincides with yours; you must be bordering on being a genius!
Regards ippy :)
Um, thanks, but no, you included my post in quotes in your post but your post seemed to have no relationship to my post, hence my question.
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As devastating as Notre-Dame fire is, at least it has silenced the 'B' word this week, for which I, and no doubt others are grateful.
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Much more is being devastated around the world than Notre Dame. I wish similar shock was felt and immediate action was taken on such matters. ::)
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Much more is being devastated around the world than Notre Dame. I wish similar shock was felt and immediate action was taken on such matters. ::)
For instance?
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Much more is being devastated around the world than Notre Dame. I wish similar shock was felt and immediate action was taken on such matters. ::)
Whataboutery rides!
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For instance?
Grenfell? Sprinklers in schools? Vestes jaunes? Economics, immigration, Front National? Yemen, Syria, Libya, Algeria, climate change?
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Pledges and donations totalling around $1bn now. Amazing generous response to tragedy n'est ce pas ?
On the other hand the DEC appeal for the victims Cyclone Idai has managed to raise £29m so far, a paltry sum by comparison.
Isn't this obscene ? 1000 people killed and 3 million lives torn apart through loss of livelihood and property. But we are far more bothered about preserving our cultural heritage
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Whenever a report is published detailing the extent of our catastrophic devastation of the natural world it struggles to get a couple of minutes at the end of a news programme. The contrast is revealing.
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Much more is being devastated around the world than Notre Dame. I wish similar shock was felt and immediate action was taken on such matters. ::)
I think the problem lies with human nature. We generally give more importance to events that are emotionally closer to us.
I remember the disaster of Aberfan very well and it was given huge media(mainly newspapers) coverage at that time. Few will remember a short paragraph in one of the newspapers that I read detailing the number of people killed by a flood in East Pakistan(Bangladesh) at the same time and which greatly outnumbered those killed in the Aberfan disaster.
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I think the problem lies with human nature. We generally give more importance to events that are emotionally closer to us.
I remember the disaster of Aberfan very well and it was given huge media(mainly newspapers) coverage at that time. Few will remember a short paragraph in one of the newspapers that I read detailing the number of people killed by a flood in East Pakistan(Bangladesh) at the same time and which greatly outnumbered those killed in the Aberfan disaster.
You make a good point.
My husband and I will not be giving any money to the Notre-Dame appeal, even though we have been there on a special occasion, at the turn of the century. We prefer to give money to help people, not buildings.
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I think the problem lies with human nature. We generally give more importance to events that are emotionally closer to us.
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Agreed, but that is not the only or, necessarily, the most important flaw. The question is, can it be fixed?
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The biggest sadness for me is that most of the concerns are for a loss of a tourist attraction rather than the loss of the loss of a magnificent place of worship.
AB
if you're looking for a magnificent place of worship , try the rolling hills and coastline of Northumberland . Wonderful. And your god made it all.
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The biggest sadness for me is that most of the concerns are for a loss of a tourist attraction rather than the loss of the loss of a magnificent place of worship.
Well, happily it hasn't been completely lost, though it'll take years to restore.
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... it'll take years to restore.
Indeed.
As I heard one person comment: Those oak beams. They don't grow on trees ...
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Indeed.
As I heard one person comment: Those oak beams. They don't grow on trees ...
;D
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Indeed.
As I heard one person comment: Those oak beams. They don't grow on trees ...
please tell me that's a joke... you didn't really hear that as a genuine comment did you?
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It was intended to be humour. But it had a serious point, too.
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It was intended to be humour. But it had a serious point, too.
Yes, because, in fact they don't grow on trees, they are trees.
Sourcing enough oak to replace the beams might be problematic. In fact, it might be better to use a more modern stronger, lighter and less flammable material.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-48510976
It has been suggested pregnant women and children have lead tests as the fire could have caused contamination.