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Religion and Ethics Discussion => Philosophy, in all its guises. => Topic started by: Walt Zingmatilder on April 13, 2020, 10:53:11 AM
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Used to be why am I here? Where am I going? What is the point? Why something and not nothing? Is there a God? Is this all there is?
What are they now?
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Is a viral pandemic God's way of reducing the pandemic of humans?
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Is a viral pandemic God's way of reducing the pandemic of humans?
Have you asked Him?
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Have you asked Him?
What chance do you think there might be that he will answer you if you did ask him?
Less than one thousandth of one per cent would be my guess!
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What chance do you think there might be that he will answer you if you did ask him?
Less than one thousandth of one per cent would be my guess!
Isn't that's more like the likelihood of folks around here asking him?
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Isn't that's more like the likelihood of folks around here asking him?
you have a direct line to Him , apparently. So why don't you ask him and then tell us what he says ?
save us all a lot of time 8)
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you have a direct line to Him , apparently. So why don't you ask him and then tell us what he says ?
save us all a lot of time 8)
Come on, Walter!
We have to do it ourselves so that we can be accused of not listening intently enough to hear the answer, or of asking the wrong questions, or not wanting to hear the truth!
I thought that you had been here long enough to work that out!
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you have a direct line to Him , apparently. So why don't you ask him and then tell us what he says ?
save us all a lot of time 8)
Come off it Walter.....You've argued the toss on everything I've said. Cut out the middleman and go straight to the source.
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Used to be why am I here? Where am I going? What is the point? Why something and not nothing? Is there a God? Is this all there is?
What are they now?
You might find this man's points of view depressingly interesting:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXQk8bGUPo8
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You might find this man's points of view depressingly interesting:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXQk8bGUPo8
That the world is skued to suffering and pain has always been a trope in modern atheism. In other words the problem of pain seems for some to outweigh the problem of Good. I wonder if this is hyperhumanism. Not only purely human considerations in living but taking controlled charge also of the end where we have a kind of dignified suicide for humanity. The bible, of course, foresees the end as rather an unholy mess to be sorted out.
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Come off it Walter.....You've argued the toss on everything I've said. Cut out the middleman and go straight to the source.
Yes, and i haven't finished yet.
the thing is, Vlad , you already have his number , i don't .
Oh ! and while you're at it , ask Him why he made me atheist in the first place (please don't come back with FREE WILL)
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Yes, and i haven't finished yet.
the thing is, Vlad , you already have his number , i don't .
Oh ! and while you're at it , ask Him why he made me atheist in the first place (please don't come back with FREE WILL)
We all have his number Walter only some of us never use it.
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We all have his number Walter only some of us never use it.
I was kept on hold when I tried to use it as a kid. ::)
I suppose your posts are good for a giggle, which one needs at present. You pretend to know what you are talking about when it is quite apparent you are clueless.
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I was kept on hold when I tried to use it as a kid. ::)
I suppose your posts are good for a giggle, which one needs at present. You pretend to know what you are talking about when it is quite apparent you are clueless.
Careful with that axe, Eugene.
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Careful with that axe, Eugene.
Eugene?
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Have you asked Him?
Him? You won't get any sense from a Him. It's a Her.... Gaia.
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Have you asked Him?
I haven't, have you?
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Used to be why am I here? Where am I going? What is the point? Why something and not nothing? Is there a God? Is this all there is?
What are they now?
How can we use a limited set of resources to ensure adequate outcomes for the entirety of the world... which leads to what actually IS an adequate outcome for the entirety of the world? How much is too much of the resource for one person to have? To what extent are commercial interests entitled to a say in the democracy? How can we make a society where everyone has a chance when chances are so easily skewed by access to money? How do we ration the resources to ensure environmental stability in the future without overly impacting cultures that haven't had the opportunity to develop yet? How do we adequately recompense societies and cultures which were suppressed in the past without suppressing others in the present?
I see no reason to presume that there is a 'why' to our being here, or that there is an overarcing 'point' to it. I'm not really that bothered in whether there's a god for its own sake, although I worry about the various nonsense that's perpetrated in the name of various interpretations of gods.
As to 'is this all there is? Is this not enough for you? This world, this life, is marvellous - given how badly we're managing this, I'm not sure we're ready for anything more at the moment anyway.
O.
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Oh come on Outy .. we could find answers to most of your questions, even if only heuristically.
But why waste time on that when we can tackle the BIG questions .. the unanswerable ones.
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Eugene?
Ummagumma
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How can we use a limited set of resources to ensure adequate outcomes for the entirety of the world... which leads to what actually IS an adequate outcome for the entirety of the world? How much is too much of the resource for one person to have? To what extent are commercial interests entitled to a say in the democracy? How can we make a society where everyone has a chance when chances are so easily skewed by access to money? How do we ration the resources to ensure environmental stability in the future without overly impacting cultures that haven't had the opportunity to develop yet? How do we adequately recompense societies and cultures which were suppressed in the past without suppressing others in the present?
O.
I can't help wondering whether these don't reduce to something more fundamental.
Or whether humanity will accept the answers.
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I can't help wondering whether these don't reduce to something more fundamental.
How ought we to behave, perhaps, but the answer to that is going to vary with the times and the specifics of era I'd imagine.
Or whether humanity will accept the answers.
Some of humanity usually does, some of it doesn't - if we were all good at getting the answer right, we wouldn't still be asking the question :)
O.
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I think we don't have answers because we are basically made to live in a world that is not real at all. It is just our interactions, through our senses and brain, with a certain part of the world that produces this illusion of reality. We never experience reality 'as it is'.....whatever that is!
So, when we are fundamentally kept away from reality.....how can our questions about it be answered? Our 'answers' are bound to be restricted by and to our illusionary experiences.
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Eugene?
Careful with that Axe Eugene (http://) is a track by Pink Floyd. It features on the live part of the album Ummagumma.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8OE4gedQuc
The only lyric apart from a scream in the whole "song" is "Careful with that Axe, Eugene".
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Him? You won't get any sense from a Him. It's a Her.... Gaia.
Ain't that the truth!
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I don't know, but the answer is 42.