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Religion and Ethics Discussion => Theism and Atheism => Topic started by: Owlswing on July 10, 2020, 11:17:47 PM
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I can't be the only person who believes in an afterlife, but how do those others who believe in it see it?
How will you be dressed?
Who, if anyone, do you expect to see there?
If you would search out relatives who would you search out?
Who would you avoid like the plague?
Who would you search out to say 'Thank you' to because you didn't get the chance (for one reason or another)
Who would you search out to deliver the punch in the mouth that you didn't deliver for any reason?
Who, if anyone, would you search out to talk to who was not a relative? What would you want to talk to them about?
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If there is an afterlife, and I am not dressed fabulously, then I wouldn't be seen dead there.
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If there is an afterlife, and I am not dressed fabulously, then I wouldn't be seen dead there.
You know something? You can be a right sarky bastard when you are in the right mood!
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There isn't of course even a scrap of evidence for any such thing as an afterlife, but I'd first go and have a chat with Voltaire, then clipboard in hand, I'd start making a list of souls to form the escape committee
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I'd organise a dinner party with George Orwell, Dr Johnson, Elizabeth Gaskell, Charlotte Bronte, Charles Darwin, John Keats, Nelson Mandela, Fidel Castro, Ada Lovelace, Mary Shelley, and Andrea Dworkin. That should get some interesting conversations going.
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I hope when one dies one stays dead. There isn't the slightest scrap of evidence for an afterlife. However, supposing one does exist, we might be very different people to what we are in this life.
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I hope when one dies one stays dead. There isn't the slightest scrap of evidence for an afterlife. However, supposing one does exist, we might be very different people to what we are in this life.
Well, yes, we will no longer be in our physical form but in our spiritual form.
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I'd organise a dinner party with George Orwell, Dr Johnson, Elizabeth Gaskell, Charlotte Bronte, Charles Darwin, John Keats, Nelson Mandela, Fidel Castro, Ada Lovelace, Mary Shelley, and Andrea Dworkin. That should get some interesting conversations going.
What? Like
"Who is this nobody who's invited me to dinner?"
"Do what I always do with these invitations and throw them into the bin."
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Aside from people: if the afterlife doesn't include motorcycles, guitars and horseracing then it isn't worth afterliving - and if that is indeed the case, then I refuse to attend (if summoned).
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Who would you avoid like the plague?
Typhoid Mary (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Mallon).
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Well, yes, we will no longer be in our physical form but in our spiritual form.
And what is your definition of 'spiritual' form?
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Well, yes, we will no longer be in our physical form but in our spiritual form.
Can you define this 'spiritual form' and say wherea bouts its abode will be?
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Can you define this 'spiritual form' and say wherea bouts its abode will be?
Why should it have a whereabouts? Mathematics doesn’t have a whereabouts. It doesn’t for instance thrive a lot better in temperate climates.
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Why should it have a whereabouts? Mathematics doesn’t have a whereabouts. It doesn’t, for instance, thrive a lot better in temperate climates.
Derail! As usual!
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If there is an afterlife, and I am not dressed fabulously, then I wouldn't be seen dead there.
You will receive a golden colander for your work as moderator.
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Derail! As usual!
How is it’s derail for goodness sake.
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How is it a derail for goodness sake?
Because, just like #14, it has no bearing or connection to the OP.
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If I am unfortunate enough to enter an afterlife, I hope I will have a Kindle and be able to download books of my choosing. I also hope I am able to continue with my hobbies, particularly my digital artwork. It would be nice if one or two of the possessions I own in this life accompanied me, like my sword, Excalibur, it might come in useful. ;D
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Because, just like #14, it has no bearing or connection to the OP.
14 was in response to Nearly Sane’s 13. That is what reply means.
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14 was in response to Nearly Sane’s 13. That is what reply means.
This, of course, does not change the fact that #12 was a derail!
End of - as this particular conversation, if continued, would also be a derail!
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"Derailment". "Derail" is a verb.
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Why should it have a whereabouts? Mathematics doesn’t have a whereabouts. It doesn’t for instance thrive a lot better in temperate climates.
In what sense is something described as an after'life' like maths?
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I was wondering what maths has to do with the topic of afterlife?
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I was wondering what maths has to do with the topic of afterlife?
It's an analogy. Not a very good one imo but if Vlad thinks'whereabouts' is a question that somehow does not apply, it does at least raise the idea that not everything that we talk about has a physical whereabouts.
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"Derailment". "Derail" is a verb.
Pedant!
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This, of course, does not change the fact that #12 was a derail!
End of - as this particular conversation, if continued, would also be a derail!
Well let's give it an afterlife shall we, It was not a derail.
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It's an analogy. Not a very good one imo but if Vlad thinks'whereabouts' is a question that somehow does not apply, it does at least raise the idea that not everything that we talk about has a physical whereabouts.
In view of the fact that no-one has ever returned or visited from the afterlife, except the obvious bone of contention on this Forum, we have no way of knowing the nature or location of the afterlife.
Pagans refer to it as the Summerlands, a place where the essence of the consciousness of the deceased will rest and review the past life and prepare for rebirth. (Pagans, or at least the ones that I know of, believe in the cycle of life, Birth, Life, Death and Re-birth via the Cauldron of Ceridwen) but this is outside the scope of this thread.
I did not intend this to be a huge philosophical argument about its existence just what people would do in it if it exists.
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It's an analogy. Not a very good one imo but if Vlad thinks'whereabouts' is a question that somehow does not apply, it does at least raise the idea that not everything that we talk about has a physical whereabouts.
Got there in the end.
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Death and Re-birth via the Cauldron of Ceridwen) .
The what?
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Well let's give it an afterlife shall we, It was not a derail.
If you thought it would screw up a thread you would keep arguing that black is white!
Incidentally, there is a world of difference between "Smart" and "Smartarse", on which note I am taking a week's holiday with my older daughter!
Seven days with no computer, therefore no R & E!
Gordon will know what I mean!
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The what?
Do your own research - stop expecting others to do it all for you!
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In view of the fact that no-one has ever returned or visited from the afterlife, except the obvious bone of contention on this Forum, we have no way of knowing the nature or location of the afterlife.
Pagans refer to it as the Summerlands, a place where the essence of the consciousness of the deceased will rest and review the past life and prepare for rebirth. (Pagans, or at least the ones that I know of, believe in the cycle of life, Birth, Life, Death and Re-birth via the Cauldron of Ceridwen) but this is outside the scope of this thread.
I did not intend this to be a huge philosophical argument about its existence just what people would do in it if it exists.
The question though that Vlad was responding to wasn't about its existence but its 'whereabouts'. And neither his response nor my response to him is about its existence. It's precisely about what is it like, which is the question in the thread title.
Answering that then has an impact on what anyone would do since it would determine what anyone could do. If Vlad's concept of the afterlife has no whereabouts then Steve's post about having dinner with famous people seems unlikely.
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Got there in the end.
You still have to illustrate whether it makes any sense to consider an afterlife as anything analogous to maths.
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The question though that Vlad was responding to wasn't about its existence but its 'whereabouts'. And neither his response nor my response to him is about its existence. It's precisely about what is it like, which is the question in the thread title.
Answering that then has an impact on what anyone would do since it would determine what anyone could do. If Vlad's concept of the afterlife has no whereabouts then Steve's post about having dinner with famous people seems unlikely.
What does the word "Summerlands" conjure up for you NS?
Rolling hills, grass, blue sky, forest, whatever you see as peaceful and idyllic and no bloody argumentative idiots telling you that you followed the wrong religion and should be down in the bloody firepits!
See you in a week! I'm back next Saturday at about 2130.
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What does the word "Summerlands" conjure up for you NS?
Rolling hills, grass, blue sky, forest, whatever you see as peaceful and idyllic and no bloody argumentative idiots telling you that you followed the wrong religion and should be down in the bloody firepits!
See you in a week! I'm back next Saturday at about 2130.
But your idea of the afterlife is not what others believe so why expect them to accept your beliefs. Summerlands conjures up nothing for me.
Have a good break!
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You still have to illustrate whether it makes any sense to consider an afterlife as anything analogous to maths.
I was really thinking Susan Doris's remark about spirit and the whereabouts of the spiritual...which I grant could include the afterlife.
I was trying to point out that not everything which might possess a realism and truth of it's own has a location and offered mathematics as an example.
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I was really thinking Susan Doris's remark about spirit and the whereabouts of the spiritual...which I grant could include the afterlife.
I was trying to point out that not everything which might possess a realism and truth of it's own has a location and offered mathematics as an example.
Well it was Susan Doris replying to SweetPea who raised it and wasn't talking about 'the spiritual' but 'our spiritual form'. So you appear to have misread the posts.
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Pedant!
And proud of it. One of my hobbies is pissing people off on social media by being pedantic.
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And proud of it. One of my hobbies is pissing people off on social media by being pedantic.
How nice! ::)