Religion and Ethics Forum
General Category => Politics & Current Affairs => Topic started by: Nearly Sane on March 26, 2021, 12:10:12 PM
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Another statement from Salmond at 2pm apparently
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-56539696
Salmond has launched a new political party!
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-56539696
Salmond has launched a new political party!
Is The Peoples' Front of Judaea?
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Is The Peoples' Front of Judaea?
Or possibly the 'I'm important because I'm Alex Salmond so vote for ME (because I'm Alex Salmond) Party'
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Or possibly the 'I'm important because I'm Alex Salmond so vote for ME (because I'm Alex Salmond) Party'
Will be interested to see who other candidates are. There are a plethora of indy parties and I am struggling to see resulting in anything more than 1 MP for Alba. Supplies of popcorn will be strained over the next few weeks.
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Well, there's one thing; He's been kicked out of SNP twice....I think there's never going to be a third time.....
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Well, there's one thing; He's been kicked out of SNP twice....I think there's never going to be a third time.....
2nd time he resigned
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2nd time he resigned
I suppose we should watch for any high profile SNP resignations in the next few days - the likes of Joanna Cherry come to mind.
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I suppose we should watch for any high profile SNP resignations in the next few days - the likes of Joanna Cherry come to mind.
chris McEleny
https://www.greenocktelegraph.co.uk/news/19190417.salmond-launches-rival-party-snp-holyrood-election/
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Just seen it described ad the Ecksit Party
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Join now and get your name inscribed on a wall (no thanks).
https://www.albaparty.org/become_a_member
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-56539696
Salmond has launched a new political party!
He really is the Scottish Farage, isn't he.
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He really is the Scottish Farage, isn't he.
It's a tough field, you have to remember Galloway.
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Nice to see the Wee Ginger Dug back on form after his stroke and moving to God's own county of Ayrshire. I agree with his comment. https://weegingerdug.wordpress.com/2021/03/26/its-still-snp-1-2-for-me/
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Nice to see the Wee Ginger Dug back on form after his stroke and moving to God's own county of Ayrshire. I agree with his comment. https://weegingerdug.wordpress.com/2021/03/26/its-still-snp-1-2-for-me/
Feck me but it's lazy stuff. Salmond is a fuckwit but this misses the point by a distance.
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Kenny MacAskill MP now gone to Alba
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It's a tough field, you have to remember Galloway.
I fancied liked Galloway.
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I fancied liked Galloway.
He's one of the most objectionable, unpleasant people I have ever met. His fatuous attack on a Yes vote at the indyref in 2014 because of it putting Catholics in danger is one of the prime dangerous pieces of idiotic lying that I have seen. His baiting of Michael Barrymore on Celebrity Big Brother was the act of an self indulgent bully. And then there was his sycophancy from out of the arse of Saddam Hussein.
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His baiting of Michael Barrymore on Celebrity Big Brother was the act of an self indulgent bully.
I remember seeing a clip of that! Yes it was awful. People did behave out of character in that context though. I do not remember anything about Saddam Hussein.
Well I definitely found the man fascinating but I probably wouldn't had I met him.
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His baiting of Michael Barrymore on Celebrity Big Brother was the act of an self indulgent bully.
I remember seeing a clip of that! Yes it was awful. People did behave out of character in that context though. I do not remember anything about Saddam Hussein.
Well I definitely found the man fascinating but I probably wouldn't had I met him.
It was entirely in character. He tried similar with Christopher Hitchens.
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Neale Hanvey MP gone over to Alba meaning it now has more MPs in Scotland than Labour. Also Lynn Anderson - the SNP Wqualities Convenor, and I believe Caroline McAllister, the SNP Women's Convenor to follow.
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Interview with Sturgeon by Dani Garavelli
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/i-will-speak-with-my-own-voice-nicola-sturgeon-on-party-divisions-alex-salmond-and-succession-plans-3181211
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It was entirely in character. He tried similar with Christopher Hitchens.
Not so charming then. We don't hear much of him these days, perhaps it's just as well.
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Galloway seems to be a very unpleasant person indeed! >:(
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Not so charming then. We don't hear much of him these days, perhaps it's just as well.
He's up in Scotland for the election - as he has a mad Unionist list party. He broke quarantine conditions to come up. He was on this week supporting hunting and shooting against tge 'townie Greens'.
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As mentioned earlier, the Women's Convenor of the SNP is now confirmed in Alba.
As, however, is Tommy Sheridan - hmmm....
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As mentioned earlier, the Women's Convenor of the SNP is now confirmed in Alba.
As, however, is Tommy Sheridan - hmmm....
Strange combination....Sheridan's a bit of a Marmite, and the Kirkaldy MP was only recently reinstated after 'anti-Semitic' tweets......
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Strange combination....Sheridan's a bit of a Marmite, and the Kirkaldy MP was only recently reinstated after 'anti-Semitic' tweets......
Sheridan is another candidate for the title of a Scottish Farage.
I think Neale Hanvey made a mistake but unconvinced he's anti semitic. The interesting thing though is both the Epqualitis and Women's Convenors, Lynn Anderson and Caroline McAllister having crossed the floor.
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Sheridan is another candidate for the title of a Scottish Farage.
I think Neale Hanvey made a mistake but unconvinced he's anti semitic. The interesting thing though is both the Epqualitis and Women's Convenors, Lynn Anderson and Caroline McAllister having crossed the floor.
I'm not really bothered about McAlistair...I rermember she was pretty scathing about Nicola at a meeting way back in 2014; there's obviously something there beterrn them.
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I'm not really bothered about McAlistair...I rermember she was pretty scathing about Nicola at a meeting way back in 2014; there's obviously something there beterrn them.
Well Sturgeon being more worried about some trans activists leaving the party rather than death threats to Joanna Cherry may be part of the reason. It is not just Caroline McAllister. If you put this just down to personality, you are missing what is going on.
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ISP are withdrawing standing. They were standing on the issue of gender reform/women's rights
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Moderator:
This thread has been created from posts spilt from the 'Salmond denies sexual misconduct allegations' thread in that the discussion there moved towards the impending Holyrood election, and though initially there maybe some crossover this election involves wider issues so this thread has been created so that the original 'Salmond' can be used for any subsequent legal developments regarding that case.
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Registration for the election now complete. In Glasgow on the list as opposed to the constituency we have 101 candidates, from 20 parties with 2 independents
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Charmer standing
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/far-right-bigot-jayda-fransen-23831178
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Salmond bets on the horses!!!!
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/scottish-election-2021-nicola-sturgeon-describes-alex-salmond-as-a-gambler-and-says-she-wants-a-simple-majority/ar-BB1fcxVM
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Charmer standing
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/far-right-bigot-jayda-fransen-23831178
......when even the monster raving loonies beat her in the sanity stakes.
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First poll including Alba - early days but not great for them.
Scottish parliament voting intention(s): Constituency: SNP: 49% (-1) CON: 21% (-) LAB: 20% (-) LDEM: 9% (+1) List: SNP: 37% (-2) LAB: 19% (-1) CON: 18% (-1) GRN: 11% (-) LDEM: 8% (+1) ALBA: 3% (+3) via @Survation Chgs. w/ 18 Mar
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First poll including Alba - early days but not great for them.
Scottish parliament voting intention(s): Constituency: SNP: 49% (-1) CON: 21% (-) LAB: 20% (-) LDEM: 9% (+1) List: SNP: 37% (-2) LAB: 19% (-1) CON: 18% (-1) GRN: 11% (-) LDEM: 8% (+1) ALBA: 3% (+3) via @Survation Chgs. w/ 18 Mar
One analysis of that in seats
Projecting Survation 29 - 30 Mar into seats (changes vs 11 - 18 Mar / vs 2016): SNP ~ 66 (-1 / +3) Labour ~ 23 (-2 / -1) Conservative ~ 21 (nc / -10) Green ~ 11 (nc / +5) Lib Dem ~ 8 (+3 / +3)
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Oh what a joy!
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1419212/Andrew-Neil-George-Galloway-Alex-Salmond-tv-debate-scottish-election-holyrood-snp
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Oh what a joy!
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1419212/Andrew-Neil-George-Galloway-Alex-Salmond-tv-debate-scottish-election-holyrood-snp
All we need now is Farage and Piers Morgan for the full set.
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And another opinion poll
New Scottish Parliament poll, ComRes 2 - 7 Apr (changes vs 5 - 10 Mar): List: SNP ~ 40% (nc) Con ~ 21% (-3) Lab ~ 18% (nc) Grn ~ 9% (-1) LD ~ 7% (+1) Alba ~ 3% (+3) Constituency: SNP ~ 49% (+1) Con ~ 23% (nc) Lab ~ 18% (-2) LD ~ 6% (-2)
Seat projection
Projecting ComRes 2 - 7 Apr into seats (changes vs 5 - 10 Mar / vs 2016): SNP ~ 65 (+1 / +2) Conservative ~ 25 (-4 / -6) Labour ~ 22 (+1 / -2) Green ~ 10 (nc / +4) Lib Dem ~ 7 (+2 / +2)
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And a further poll
New Scottish Parliament poll, Opinium 1 - 6 Apr (changes vs 11 - 16 Mar): List: SNP ~ 44% (+2) Con ~ 22% (nc) Lab ~ 17% (-2) Grn ~ 7% (nc) LD ~ 5% (nc) Alba ~ 2% (+2) Constituency: SNP ~ 53% (+7) Con ~ 21% (-3) Lab ~ 18% (-2) LD ~ 6% (nc) Grn ~ 0% (-4) (reflects few candidates)
Projecting Opinium 1 - 6 Apr into seats (changes vs 11 - 16 Mar / vs 2016): SNP ~ 72 (+8 / +9) Conservative ~ 26 (-4 / -5) Labour ~ 22 (-2 / -2) Green ~ 5 (-1 / -1) Lib Dem ~ 4 (-1 / -1)
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Johnson: England's Prime Minister?
Interesting piece from the Groniad.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/apr/12/union-in-peril-as-pm-speaks-for-england-alone-former-civil-servant-warns
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Panelbase showing Alba high enough to take some seats but mainly at the expense of SNP
https://www.believeinscotland.org/exclusive-greens-and-alba-flying-high-on-list-but-snp-majority-in-danger/
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Latest opinion poll shows small but significant move from the SNP, and no chance of ALBA getting a seat.
New Scottish Parliament poll, ComRes 16 - 20 Apr (changes vs 2 - 7 Apr):
List:
SNP ~ 38% (-2)
Con ~ 23% (+2)
Lab ~ 17% (-1)
Grn ~ 7% (-2)
LD ~ 5% (-2)
Alba ~ 1% (-2)
Others ~ 7% (+5)
Constituency:
SNP ~ 46% (-3)
Con ~ 25% (+2)
Lab ~ 20% (+2)
LD ~ 6% (nc)
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And yet Yougov in the Times.
Constituency / list (+/- vs March 19 - 22):
SNP - 49% (-1) / 39% (-7)
Tories - 21% (-3) / 22% (-2)
Lab - 21% (+4) / 17% (+2)
Green - 1% (-1) / 10% (+2)
LD - 6% (+1) / 5% (-)
Alba - - / 2%
YouGov / The Times, f/w April 16 - 20
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Simon Jenkins on a possible way of derailing independence. Sounds a little far-fetched to me. But then so many things that happen sound fantastical, so what do I know?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/22/johnson-snp-scotland-single-market-access
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Latest
New Scottish Parliament poll, Survation 16 - 20 Apr (changes vs 29 - 30 Mar):
List:
SNP ~ 35% (-3)
Lab ~ 22% (+3)
Con ~ 20% (+2)
Grn ~ 10% (-1)
LD ~ 7% (-1)
Alba ~ 3% (nc)
RUK ~ 1% (nc)
UKIP ~ 1% (nc)
Constituency:
SNP ~ 50% (+1)
Lab ~ 21% (+1)
Con ~ 21% (nc)
LD ~ 7% (-2) https://t.co/VvOeqQWMJN
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New Scottish Parliament poll, Panelbase 21 - 26 Apr (changes vs 9 - 12 Apr):
List:
SNP ~ 36% (nc)
Con ~ 21% (-1)
Lab ~ 18% (+1)
Grn ~ 10% (+1)
LD ~ 6% (nc)
Alba ~ 6% (nc)
AFU ~ 2% (nc)
Constituency:
SNP ~ 45% (-2)
Lab ~ 22% (+2)
Con ~ 20% (-3)
LD ~ 8% (+2)
Grn ~ 4% (nc)
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Posted my votes yesterday. First time I have ever spoiled a ballot paper
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Posted my votes yesterday. First time I have ever spoiled a ballot paper
Posted mine last week.
Definately didn't spoil them!
(I've never spoiled a Holyrood ballot, but I have spoiled one for a local government election a wheen of years ago.)
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New Scottish Parliament poll, Panelbase 21 - 26 Apr (changes vs 9 - 12 Apr):
List:
SNP ~ 36% (nc)
Con ~ 21% (-1)
Lab ~ 18% (+1)
Grn ~ 10% (+1)
LD ~ 6% (nc)
Alba ~ 6% (nc)
AFU ~ 2% (nc)
Excuse my phenomenal ignorance, but plusses = +2 and minuses = -1
Constituency:
SNP ~ 45% (-2)
Lab ~ 22% (+2)
Con ~ 20% (-3)
LD ~ 8% (+2)
Grn ~ 4% (nc)
Similarly, plusses = +4 and minuses = -5
How?
Owlswing (Mathematical Ignorance on Legs!)
)O(
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Excuse my phenomenal ignorance, but plusses = +2 and minuses = -1
Similarly, plusses = +4 and minuses = -5
How?
Owlswing (Mathematical Ignorance on Legs!)
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Rounding
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On a lighter note, for anyone with access to the separate BBC Scotland channel (108 on Virgin Media), at 10pm this evening Chief Commissioner Miekelson (of Scot Squad) interviews the leaders of all the 5 main parties contesting this election. Those unfamiliar with the Chief's approach might find his recent apology for offending minorities of interest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBGOryiqZZI
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Rounding
Thanks!
Owlswing
)O(
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New Scottish Parliament poll, Panelbase 28 - 30 Apr (changes vs 21 - 26 Apr):
List:
SNP ~ 39% (+3)
Con ~ 22% (+1)
Lab ~ 16% (-2)
Grn ~ 8% (-2)
LD ~ 7% (+1)
Alba ~ 4% (-2)
AFU ~ 2% (nc)
Constituency:
SNP ~ 48% (+3)
Con ~ 21% (+1)
Lab ~ 20% (-2)
LD ~ 7% (-1)
Grn ~ 3% (-1)
New Scottish Parliament poll, BMG 27 - 30 Apr (changes vs 16 - 19 Mar):
List:
SNP ~ 37% (-5)
Con ~ 22% (nc)
Lab ~ 17% (nc)
Grn ~ 9% (+1)
LD ~ 8% (nc)
Alba ~ 4% (+4)
Constituency:
SNP ~ 49% (+1)
Lab ~ 21% (+1)
Con ~ 19% (-2)
LD ~ 9% (+1)
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It's going to be odd on Thursday night, Friday morning as there is no overnight counting due to Covid
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It's going to be odd on Thursday night, Friday morning as there is no overnight counting due to Covid
Hope the final announcement's on Saturday afternoon.....drinking a malt before noon seems decadent.....
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...drinking a malt before noon seems decadent.....
...if it tastes better because of it, dive in...!
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Article, mainly on Sturgeon, from the New Yorker, interesting take
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/05/10/nicola-sturgeons-quest-for-scottish-independence?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=onsite-share&utm_brand=the-new-yorker&utm_social-type=earned
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2 more polls
.Scottish parliament voting intention:
Constituency:
SNP: 42% (-3)
CON: 25% (+2)
LAB: 22% (-1)
LDEM: 8% (+1)
List:
SNP: 34% (-2)
CON: 23% (+1)
LAB: 19% (-)
LDEM: 6% (+1)
GRN: 9% (-1)
via @SavantaComRes, 30 Apr - 04 May
Chgs. w/ 27 Apr
Scottish parliament voting intention(s):
Constituency:
SNP: 49% (-1)
CON: 21% (-)
LAB: 21% (-)
LDEM: 8% (+1)
List:
SNP: 36% (+2)
CON: 21% (+1)
LAB: 19% (-3)
GRN: 10% (-)
LDEM: 7% (+1)
ALBA: 3% (-)
via @Survation, 30 Apr - 04 May
Chgs. w/ 22 Apr
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And another
New Scottish Parliament poll, Ipsos MORI 30 Apr - 3 May (changes vs 29 Mar - 4 Apr):
List:
SNP ~ 39% (+1)
Con ~ 23% (+2)
Lab ~ 18% (nc)
Grn ~ 12% (nc)
LD ~ 4% (-2)
Alba ~ 2% (-1)
Constituency:
SNP ~ 50% (-3)
Lab ~ 22% (+4)
Con ~ 20% (nc)
LD ~ 6% (nc)
Grn ~ 2% (nc)
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And another take
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2021/05/nicola-sturgeon-scotland-election/618790/
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Looks like turnout considerably up in Scotland.
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And a weird set of results so far.
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I'm astonished that we just took Ayr...I didn't expect that.
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I'm astonished that we just took Ayr...I didn't expect that.
Worried that Joan McAlpine might lose out. In part because of the dodgy NEC decision about the list.
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Worried that Joan McAlpine might lose out. In part because of the dodgy NEC decision about the list.
Ayr has been traditionally Tory, give or take a few anomalies, for decades; John Scott was a good MSP for his seat - and had a lot of respect. Joan would indeed be a great loss, though.
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Ayr has been traditionally Tory, give or take a few anomalies, for decades; John Scott was a good MSP for his seat - and had a lot of respect. Joan would indeed be a great loss, though.
And with East Lothian looking like she might be lost. In part because of the fucked up possibly illegal NEC decision. The SNP are a disgrace.
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Feels like that got us nowhere
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The end of Wings Over Scotland. Never been my favourite person but was excellent on factual stuff. This sign off is brutal, and highlights many of the divisions in the nationalist movement. The attack on Paul Kavanaugh is asking to be sued.
https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-ship-song/#more-130108
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The end of Wings Over Scotland. Never been my favourite person but was excellent on factual stuff. This sign off is brutal, and highlights many of the divisions in the nationalist movement. The attack on Paul Kavanaugh is asking to be sued.
https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-ship-song/#more-130108
Somebody stole his scone.
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And the Dug's response?
https://weegingerdug.wordpress.com/
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And the Dug's response?
https://weegingerdug.wordpress.com/
Doesn't really address the personal attacks so doesn't read as a response. Doesn't deal with the issue on the GRA where the SNP lost their women's convenor and their equalities convenor to Alba. Doesn't deal with there being no plan to present to make the case for independence.
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Doesn't really address the personal attacks so doesn't read as a response. Doesn't deal with the issue on the GRA where the SNP lost their women's convenor and their equalities convenor to Alba. Doesn't deal with there being no plan to present to make the case for independence.
It's a kind of response, though. More mature, certainly. And, as if by magic....... https://weegingerdug.wordpress.com/2021/05/12/the-c-word/
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It's a kind of response, though.
More mature, certainly.
One that ignores many of the issues. My take is that unless the UK govt decides to call the Scottish govt's bluff, there will not be an indyref2 in the life of the Scottish Parliament. In addition, the brute fact of Brexit is something that the main part of the nationalist movement has no answer to as regards the border.
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It's a kind of response, though. More mature, certainly. And, as if by magic....... https://weegingerdug.wordpress.com/2021/05/12/the-c-word/
Two people shouting at each other. Those who support one will believe that one. For the rest of us, it's just a mess.