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Religion and Ethics Discussion => Philosophy, in all its guises. => Topic started by: Walt Zingmatilder on April 09, 2021, 09:24:51 AM

Title: Unknown unknowns
Post by: Walt Zingmatilder on April 09, 2021, 09:24:51 AM
Unknown Unknowns......Do they render Logic and reason unsound?
Do they render the categories of known unknowns, unknown knowns, known knowns unsound?
Title: Re: Unknown unknowns
Post by: Udayana on April 09, 2021, 04:38:07 PM
They could, but as we use reason and logic to deal with things we do have knowledge of, they are fine for now. They might be improved to deal with any awkward future information or entities if needed.
Title: Re: Unknown unknowns
Post by: Steve H on April 11, 2021, 01:11:19 PM
Do unknown knowns exist? Can you know something, but not know that you know it?
Title: Re: Unknown unknowns
Post by: ekim on April 11, 2021, 01:43:04 PM
Do unknown knowns exist? Can you know something, but not know that you know it?
Perhaps it depends upon what you mean by 'you'.  Parts of your body may be 'aware' of a bacterial infection and act upon it but your reasoning mind may not be aware of it until the symptoms are sufficiently developed.
Title: Re: Unknown unknowns
Post by: Steve H on April 11, 2021, 02:15:20 PM
Perhaps it depends upon what you mean by 'you'.  Parts of your body may be 'aware' of a bacterial infection and act upon it but your reasoning mind may not be aware of it until the symptoms are sufficiently developed.
It also depends on what you mean by "know", and I don't think that counts, except very metaphorically.
Title: Re: Unknown unknowns
Post by: ekim on April 11, 2021, 03:42:43 PM
It also depends on what you mean by "know", and I don't think that counts, except very metaphorically.
As it is your question, perhaps you should say what you mean by 'know'.
Title: Re: Unknown unknowns
Post by: Gordon on April 11, 2021, 03:59:38 PM
Do unknown knowns exist? Can you know something, but not know that you know it?

I suspect Vlad has got his terms in the wrong order here and meant 'known unknowns', which is a more reasonable proposition.
Title: Re: Unknown unknowns
Post by: Owlswing on April 11, 2021, 04:08:16 PM

I suspect Vlad has got his terms in the wrong order here and meant 'known unknowns, which is a more reasonable proposition.


Can anything that Vlad posts on topics such as this one be considered to be "reasonable"?

Owlswing

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Title: Re: Unknown unknowns
Post by: bluehillside Retd. on April 11, 2021, 08:27:38 PM
Vlad,

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Unknown Unknowns......Do they render Logic and reason unsound?

No, they just bound them by the axioms on which reason and logic rest. But you know this already don't you, what with me explaining it to you so any times on the Easter thread. 

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Do they render the categories of known unknowns, unknown knowns, known knowns unsound?

No.