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General Category => Science and Technology => Topic started by: Owlswing on June 01, 2021, 10:53:30 PM

Title: Covid's origin??
Post by: Owlswing on June 01, 2021, 10:53:30 PM


This could be interesting IF it is true, of course!!!

https://in.news.yahoo.com/scientists-silenced-disappeared-study-says-033400508.html

Owlswing

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Title: Re: Covid's origin??
Post by: Steve H on June 02, 2021, 08:05:33 AM
Theoretically possible, even though the 'Daily Mail' says so. However, I think I'll reserve judgement until a proper newspaper confirms it.
Title: Re: Covid's origin??
Post by: SweetPea on June 02, 2021, 09:22:36 PM

This could be interesting IF it is true, of course!!!

https://in.news.yahoo.com/scientists-silenced-disappeared-study-says-033400508.html

Owlswing

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Yes, this idea has been gaining traction for a while and seems quite plausible.

View from ex-MI6 boss:
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/coronavirus-escaped-from-lab-mi6-chief/

Others too:
https://www.businessinsider.com/china-uk-spies-say-theory-covid-19-leaked-from-wuhan-lab-is-plausible-2021-5?r=US&IR=T

Title: Re: Covid's origin??
Post by: Owlswing on June 03, 2021, 10:37:17 AM
Yes, this idea has been gaining traction for a while and seems quite plausible.

View from ex-MI6 boss:

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/coronavirus-escaped-from-lab-mi6-chief/


Considering some of the comments on this Forum, the last three paragraphs of this item gave me a giggle!

Owlswing

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Title: Re: Covid's origin??
Post by: Sriram on June 08, 2021, 01:29:25 PM

https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2020/health/coronavirus-maps-and-cases/

Even today China is showing a total of 91300 cases which is 7 per 100000 of population....and deaths of 4636 which is less than 1 per 100000 of population.

Amazing! 
Title: Re: Covid's origin??
Post by: Owlswing on June 11, 2021, 08:56:27 AM

Another article on the subject.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/the-lab-leak-theory-inside-the-fight-to-uncover-covid-19s-origins?utm_source=pocket-newtab-global-en-GB

Owlswing
Title: Re: Covid's origin??
Post by: Udayana on June 12, 2021, 10:58:52 AM
Another article on the subject.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/the-lab-leak-theory-inside-the-fight-to-uncover-covid-19s-origins?utm_source=pocket-newtab-global-en-GB

Owlswing

That is a very interesting article. The questions clearly need further investigation, especially since no evidence wrt. intermediary hosts has turned up.

Now, if it were the case that the pandemic was started by a leak of the Cov-2 virus from a Chinese lab, even created by gain-of-function experiments funded directly or indirectly by money for defence - where does that leave us?  Outlook is not good.


 
Title: Re: Covid's origin??
Post by: SweetPea on June 12, 2021, 04:41:39 PM
Yes, and then we have Dr Anthony Fauci funding a highly dangerous coronavirus study that was once banned at the Wuhan Virus Research Institute. Fauci being the medical lead under Trump's administration.

https://eminetra.com.au/fauci-funded-bat-human-interface-research-in-china-to-avoid-an-outbreak-in-the-us/178685/

Fauci also predicted a forthcoming pandemic back in 2017:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh3twYon8pc

..... oh really, Mr Fauci?! smh..
Title: Re: Covid's origin??
Post by: Udayana on June 13, 2021, 11:09:14 AM
Yes, and then we have Dr Anthony Fauci funding a highly dangerous coronavirus study that was once banned at the Wuhan Virus Research Institute. Fauci being the medical lead under Trump's administration.

https://eminetra.com.au/fauci-funded-bat-human-interface-research-in-china-to-avoid-an-outbreak-in-the-us/178685/

Fauci also predicted a forthcoming pandemic back in 2017:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh3twYon8pc

..... oh really, Mr Fauci?! smh..

The claims about Fauci funding gain-of-function research at WIV are, at best, unproven.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fauci-gain-function-covid/

Also, it has been part of his role to warn about epidemic preparedness for many years.

Overall, I can't see that he has done anything irresponsible or morally wrong personally wrt. covid.

The nature of the relationship between the US and research at the WIV is, of-course, questioned in Owlswing's link. 
Title: Re: Covid's origin??
Post by: Steve H on June 13, 2021, 01:38:54 PM
The claims about Fauci funding gain-of-function research at WIV are, at best, unproven.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fauci-gain-function-covid/

Also, it has been part of his role to warn about epidemic preparedness for many years.

Overall, I can't see that he has done anything irresponsible or morally wrong personally wrt. covid.

The nature of the relationship between the US and research at the WIV is, of-course, questioned in Owlswing's link.
If Tucker Carlson says it, it must be bollocks.
Title: Re: Covid's origin??
Post by: Stranger on June 13, 2021, 05:33:41 PM
Reasons to be sceptical about a lab origin...

Though it is newly respectable, the Wuhan lab theory remains fanciful (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jun/13/newly-respectable-wuhan-lab-theory-remains-fanciful)
Title: Re: Covid's origin??
Post by: SweetPea on June 13, 2021, 09:04:20 PM
Well, this is interesting from Senator Ron Johnson:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGtPrEY7Q5U

.... and for Fauci to be so adamant that a 'surprise' outbreak would occur in 'the next administration' i.e. the Trump administration and there would be 'great challenges' is one heck of a coincidence. 
Title: Re: Covid's origin??
Post by: jeremyp on June 14, 2021, 08:23:39 AM
If Tucker Carlson says it, it must be bollocks.

Tucker Carlson once won a libel suit because his lawyers argued that no reasonable person would believe what he said.
Title: Re: Covid's origin??
Post by: Steve H on June 17, 2021, 11:03:53 AM
Tucker Carlson once won a libel suit because his lawyers argued that no reasonable person would believe what he said.
;D
Title: Re: Covid's origin??
Post by: Steve H on June 17, 2021, 11:08:33 AM
Well, this is interesting from Senator Ron Johnson:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGtPrEY7Q5U

.... and for Fauci to be so adamant that a 'surprise' outbreak would occur in 'the next administration' i.e. the Trump administration and there would be 'great challenges' is one heck of a coincidence.
If he was guilty, he'd hardly advertise the fact, would he? As it is, it's a mild coincidence, not "one heck of" one. In fact, it's not even that: he made an expert prediction, and got it right. Well, butter my bottom and call me a crumpet! ::)
And another thing: this Ron Johnson character is, apparently, a keen Trump supporter and an inveterate promoter of loony conspiracy theories, supported the yobs who stormed the Capitol, promoted electoral fraud nonsense, and in general is a hard-right nutcase. I think his videos can be disregarded.