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Religion and Ethics Discussion => Theism and Atheism => Topic started by: Walt Zingmatilder on July 08, 2021, 02:14:26 PM

Title: Anybody want to defend..............polygamy?
Post by: Walt Zingmatilder on July 08, 2021, 02:14:26 PM
If not, why not?
Title: Re: Anybody want to defend..............polygamy?
Post by: Sebastian Toe on July 08, 2021, 02:43:16 PM
De facto polygamy is not illegal in this country.
Therefore it is defended by law.

Should it be illegal?
Title: Re: Anybody want to defend..............polygamy?
Post by: Walt Zingmatilder on July 08, 2021, 02:54:10 PM
De facto polygamy is not illegal in this country.
Therefore it is defended by law.

Should it be illegal?
Being defended by law doesn’t cut much ice round here Seb.....look at the  Cof E’s ability not to conduct same sex marriages.

Is spreading your attention on more than one spouse desirable?
Title: Re: Anybody want to defend..............polygamy?
Post by: Sebastian Toe on July 08, 2021, 03:34:47 PM

Is spreading your attention on more than one spouse desirable?
Is spreading your love and attention on more than one child desirable?

Being defended by law doesn’t cut much ice round here Seb.....look at the  Cof E’s ability not to conduct same sex marriages.


That might be so, but back to the question.....
Do you think polygamy should be made illegal?

Title: Re: Anybody want to defend..............polygamy?
Post by: Outrider on July 08, 2021, 04:49:06 PM
If not, why not?

I'll bite.

In principle, I don't see a problem with multiple marriage - I'm presuming you're not using polygamy in the exclusive sense of one person being married to multiple others of the opposite sex/gender, but rather the broader 'group marriage' concept?

In practical terms I can see that there are opportunities for it to be abused, moreso in some cultures than others, and certainly in the more modern settings the history has been typically one man exerting influence and authority and having multiple wives. That history also dates, though, from a period when in most instances marriage for women was one of the few ways for them to secure any kind of future.

Is our culture ready to accept that sort of relationship yet? I don't know, I've known (or, more often, known of) people who've tried to make a go of being part of a three-way relationship: some of them have worked out, others haven't, but I don't know that it's a large enough sample-set to compare to more conventional relationship performance.

O.
Title: Re: Anybody want to defend..............polygamy?
Post by: Walt Zingmatilder on July 08, 2021, 05:54:45 PM
Is spreading your love and attention on more than one child desirable?

That might be so, but back to the question.....
Do you think polygamy should be made illegal?
I haven’t thought about it and not many people have. Just like millennia of no one mentioning same sex marriages.

No but neither do I think marital and civil partnership benefits should be extended past one spouse or partner.
Title: Re: Anybody want to defend..............polygamy?
Post by: Walt Zingmatilder on July 08, 2021, 06:01:24 PM
I'll bite.

In principle, I don't see a problem with multiple marriage - I'm presuming you're not using polygamy in the exclusive sense of one person being married to multiple others of the opposite sex/gender, but rather the broader 'group marriage' concept?

In practical terms I can see that there are opportunities for it to be abused, moreso in some cultures than others, and certainly in the more modern settings the history has been typically one man exerting influence and authority and having multiple wives. That history also dates, though, from a period when in most instances marriage for women was one of the few ways for them to secure any kind of future.

Is our culture ready to accept that sort of relationship yet? I don't know, I've known (or, more often, known of) people who've tried to make a go of being part of a three-way relationship: some of them have worked out, others haven't, but I don't know that it's a large enough sample-set to compare to more conventional relationship performance.

O.
I’m interested that you seem to be amenable for a period for people to warm to the idea of polygamy. And yet many here are not allowing that same grace to various churches concerning  how they interpret the recent and socially novel idea of same sex holy matrimony.

That smacks of discrimination on religious grounds to me.
Title: Re: Anybody want to defend..............polygamy?
Post by: Aruntraveller on July 08, 2021, 06:02:43 PM
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Is spreading your attention on more than one spouse desirable?

I wish you'd quit with the smutty euphemisms.
Title: Re: Anybody want to defend..............polygamy?
Post by: bluehillside Retd. on July 08, 2021, 06:03:50 PM
Vlad,

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If not, why not?

To the best of my knowledge polygamy is considered a lifestyle choice, not an innate characteristic. You can choose whether or not to be polygamous, but you can’t choose whether or not to be old, black, female, gay etc. so your attempted analogy fails. The discussion about the homophobic god and the homophobic church you espouse is over on the other thread. 
Title: Re: Anybody want to defend..............polygamy?
Post by: Walt Zingmatilder on July 08, 2021, 06:09:42 PM
I wish you'd quit with the smutty euphemisms.
I had to laugh at that.
Title: Re: Anybody want to defend..............polygamy?
Post by: Sebastian Toe on July 08, 2021, 06:33:07 PM

Is spreading your attention on more than one spouse desirable?
I haven't thought about it and not many people have.
Title: Re: Anybody want to defend..............polygamy?
Post by: Sebastian Toe on July 08, 2021, 06:34:19 PM

No
Fine.
Title: Re: Anybody want to defend..............polygamy?
Post by: Walt Zingmatilder on July 08, 2021, 07:25:41 PM
Fine.
Somethings in life are mutually exclusive Sebastian .........like atheist and comedy.
Title: Re: Anybody want to defend..............polygamy?
Post by: Aruntraveller on July 08, 2021, 08:01:22 PM
Somethings in life are mutually exclusive Sebastian .........like atheist and comedy.

Not having that....OK Gervais is about as funny as a dose of the shits, but this man:

https://youtu.be/CE8ooMBIyC8

Title: Re: Anybody want to defend..............polygamy?
Post by: Sebastian Toe on July 08, 2021, 08:58:31 PM
Somethings in life are mutually exclusive Sebastian .........like atheist and comedy.


https://youtu.be/KVN_0qvuhhw
Title: Re: Anybody want to defend..............polygamy?
Post by: Walt Zingmatilder on July 08, 2021, 09:22:49 PM
Not having that....OK Gervais is about as funny as a dose of the shits, but this man:

https://youtu.be/CE8ooMBIyC8
Ah yes, no, yes, ooh ah missus, I must resist, but I can't help it, bitter, hand, No Problems restraining , no good

George Carlin was refusing to go on stage once because he felt a little funny, apparently his agent told him to get on stage quickly before it wore off.
Title: Re: Anybody want to defend..............polygamy?
Post by: Walt Zingmatilder on July 08, 2021, 09:28:37 PM

https://youtu.be/KVN_0qvuhhw
Tim Minchin apparently refused to go on stage because he felt a little funny. His agent told him to get on stage quick before it wore off.
Title: Re: Anybody want to defend..............polygamy?
Post by: Outrider on July 09, 2021, 08:35:04 AM
I’m interested that you seem to be amenable for a period for people to warm to the idea of polygamy.

No, not for people to 'warm to the idea', but for cultures to be a place where this won't become a vehicle for oppressive relationship. I think in the UK, most of Europe as well, we could probably manage right now. I don't know enough about the rest of the world to make a call.

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And yet many here are not allowing that same grace to various churches concerning  how they interpret the recent and socially novel idea of same sex holy matrimony.

Except that the reasons for hesitancy are very, very different.

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That smacks of discrimination on religious grounds to me.

Of course it does, because Christianity has a well-documented history of playing the victim - sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't, but it doesn't stop the mentality.

O.