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General Category => Sports, Hobbies & Interests => Topic started by: SusanDoris on July 26, 2021, 05:39:00 PM
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I am delighted to see that Tom Daly at last has his gold medal but so far today I have only heard him talk about himselfrather than saying 'we' won the gold. So I have looked up Matty Lee and he has a very good record of success so far.
I do hope they will be interviewed together and if anyone sees this on TV, I do hope you will mention it here.
I have been listening to quite a lot of Five Live Olympics broadcasting both last night and today and am finding it quite exciting!
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Been some good stuff so far but the restriction of the BBC to only showing 2 sports at the one time means that tons of stuff that I might have switched to isn't on live.
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Tom Dean and Duncan Scott's freestyle event was a thriller. If you have a chance, play it back. Both started behind the others but Duncan, the silver medallist, made an incredible comeback. The first time two British contestants have won gold and silver since the Olympics in 1908.
Wonderful achievement too for Georgia Taylor-Brown in the triathlon winning silver after suffering a puncture in the cycling stage and a leg injure in May.
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The wqy they organise the team gymnastics competition is brilliant drama. Shame at Simone Biles pulling out, not entirely clear why, talk of both injury, and mental issue.
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I've been using Alexa to listen to Five Live and I hear that the GB gymnasts have the Bronze.
The Five Live commentary on the swimming was very good and I think that they captured the excitement well.
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While I quite enjoy the Olympics I really do think it needs major reform. In particular they should weed out the sports where the Olympics isn't the leading (or very near to the top) competition in that sport.
There are far too many sports where it simply isn't the pinnacle of achievement for a sportsperson to win Olympic gold. And in some cases the rules literally rule out the strongest sportspeople being involved. A good example being football, which is effectively an under 23 competition with a couple of more experienced players thrown in. And there are plenty of others where the biggest names in the sport aren't interested in competing (as the competition doesn't really have the credibility).
Any sport of that nature should just be canned from the Olympics.
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The wqy they organise the team gymnastics competition is brilliant drama. Shame at Simone Biles pulling out, not entirely clear why, talk of both injury, and mental issue.
So Simone Biles has confirmed it was an issue of mental healrh.
And Piers Morgan, of course, attacks her.
https://metro.co.uk/2021/07/27/tokyo-olympics-piers-morgan-dubs-simone-biles-withdrawal-a-joke-14997440/
Too much of society thinks mental health is about weakness.
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Too much of society thinks mental health is about weakness.
Assuming that's true. It could be argued that she was just doing badly (and she was) and decided she couldn't be bothered to go through with it. This was a team event and she let the team down. The mental health could plausibly be just an excuse.
Not saying this is the case but it's certainly plausible as an explanation.
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Assuming that's true. It could be argued that she was just doing badly (and she was) and decided she couldn't be bothered to go through with it. This was a team event and she let the team down. The mental health could plausibly be just an excuse.
Not saying this is the case but it's certainly plausible as an explanation.
I think if you want to question people that are talking about mental health problems, and suggest without any evidence that they are making it up as an excuse, then you are going to do serious damage to people. It was'badly' in comparison to her standards which are the highest of all time.
And there is of course Piers Morgan has attacked the 'weakness' of Naomi Osaka, Emm Radacanu, Simone Bilex, and Meghan Markle but defended Paul Gascoigne, a wife beater for his mental health problems, and of courss Piers stormed off a TV when the weatherman questioned him. I wonder what the people he has attacked on this subject have in common, that Paul and Piers don't?
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And it's worth remembering that Biles was sexually assaulted by US coach, but let's sit happily by questioning her statements about her mental health.
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I think if you want to question people that are talking about mental health problems, and suggest without any evidence that they are making it up as an excuse, then you are going to do serious damage to people.
I doubt that. I'd be extraordinarily surprised if Simone Biles reads this web site.
It was'badly' in comparison to her standards which are the highest of all time.
So? It was bad enough that she decided to withdraw from a competition.
And there is of course Piers Morgan has attacked the 'weakness' of Naomi Osaka, Emm Radacanu, Simone Bilex, and Meghan Markle but defended Paul Gascoigne, a wife beater for his mental health problems, and of courss Piers stormed off a TV when the weatherman questioned him. I wonder what the people he has attacked on this subject have in common, that Paul and Piers don't?
The validity (or lack thereof) of an argument is not determined by the reputation of the person who makes it.
I'm not claiming that Biles hasn't got mental health issues but I also am not going to rule out the possibility that she is using them as an excuse for her behaviour.
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I doubt that. I'd be extraordinarily surprised if Simone Biles reads this web site.
So? It was bad enough that she decided to withdraw from a competition.
The validity (or lack thereof) of an argument is not determined by the reputation of the person who makes it.
I'm not claiming that Biles hasn't got mental health issues but I also am not going to rule out the possibility that she is using them as an excuse for her behaviour.
He doesn't have any evidence, nor do you. No one questioned Andy Murray withdrawing from the men's singles in tennis because he said he had a physical injury. Both you and Morgan are downgrading mental issues.
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He doesn't have any evidence, nor do you.
Neither do you have any evidence that he is wrong in this instance.
No one questioned Andy Murray withdrawing from the men's singles in tennis because he said he had a physical injury. Both you and Morgan are downgrading mental issues.
Morgan might be but I am saying that you are somewhat naive if you refuse to consider the possibility of somebody not being completely honest about their reasons for retiring from an olympic event. I'm not making any judgement on Biles herself. The reporting I've seen leaves several explanations possible including one that she is using mental problems as an excuse. My comments are entirely about your refusal to accept the possibility that an explanation that hasn't been ruled out might be true.
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Neither do you have any evidence that he is wrong in this instance.
Morgan might be but I am saying that you are somewhat naive if you refuse to consider the possibility of somebody not being completely honest about their reasons for retiring from an olympic event. I'm not making any judgement on Biles herself. The reporting I've seen leaves several explanations possible including one that she is using mental problems as an excuse. My comments are entirely about your refusal to accept the possibility that an explanation that hasn't been ruled out might be true.
I am not refusing to consider the possibility, rather I am dismissing Morgan's accusation because he has no evidence.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitchens's_razor
And why doyou trust Murray's statement about the physical issue but not Biles about mental one?
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Lots of support for Biles from people who have been there in terms of sport
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/57996321
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I've tried googling for info about men's eights rowing. Am I right in thinking that the final has not been rowed yet?
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Haven't really been following it much, I must admit. When's Max Whitlock on? I ask because he's a local lad, brought up in Hemel Hempstead, though he now lives in London. He was the first Briton ever to win an Olympic gold in gymnastics, so I hope he repeats his success.
Having said which, I don't like the way gymnastics, and some other events, are scored by the opinions of a team of judges - too subjective. In other sports, the winner is the person who, or team which, scores the most goals, crosses the line first, jumps highest, or whatever: it's objective, with no room for argument (except perhaps over referee's decisions, but even they are based on clear rules). https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/gymnastics/2017/10/07/TELEMMGLPICT000143008935-xlarge_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqTpQNkEsZM9dtjYvDPpd1c7_E-p5K6IxFuscdlk0yspA.jpeg
Hemel can also claim Jess[ica] Stretton, a paralympic archer, who became the UK's youngest-ever medallist in archery at Rio, aged 16. She's now 21. https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/624/cpsprodpb/CE4D/production/_92631825_7f8538d9-f98e-43ad-bbb9-ffa5cbca02c9.jpg
Both Max and Jess are MBEs, and quite right too.
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I've tried googling for info about men's eights rowing. Am I right in thinking that the final has not been rowed yet?
Tomorrow early morning
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Haven't really been following it much, I must admit. When's Max Whitlock on? I ask because he's a local lad, brought up in Hemel Hempstead, though he now lives in London. He was the first Briton ever to win an Olympic gold in gymnastics, so I hope he repeats his success.
Having said which, I don't like the way gymnastics, and some other events, are scored by the opinions of a team of judges - too subjective. In other sports, the winner is the person who, or team which, scores the most goals, crosses the line first, jumps highest, or whatever: it's objective, with no room for argument (except perhaps over referee's decisions, but even they are based on clear rules). https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/gymnastics/2017/10/07/TELEMMGLPICT000143008935-xlarge_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqTpQNkEsZM9dtjYvDPpd1c7_E-p5K6IxFuscdlk0yspA.jpeg
Hemel can also claim Jess[ica] Stretton, a paralympic archer, who became the UK's youngest-ever medallist in archery at Rio, aged 16. She's now 21. https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/624/cpsprodpb/CE4D/production/_92631825_7f8538d9-f98e-43ad-bbb9-ffa5cbca02c9.jpg
Both Max and Jess are MBEs, and quite right too.
Whitlock was on as part of the UK men's gymnastic team on Monday, they finished 4th
He did not qualify for the overall individual. The individual apparatus pieces finals are on Sunday. I'm not sure what he has qualified for there at moment.
ETA - he's in the pommel final - qualified in 5th
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For anyone wanting to find the schedule or results - the official site is very good
https://olympics.com/tokyo-2020/en/
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Whitlock was on as part of the UK men's gymnastic team on Monday, they finished 4th
He did not qualify for the overall individual. The individual apparatus pieces finals are on Sunday. I'm not sure what he has qualified for there at moment.
ETA - he's in the pommel final - qualified in 5th
I was just going to say that, but you pipped me by editing. apparently*. he's also part of the four-man team final.
*No, you didn't: you added that almost two hours ago. I didn't read carefully enough.
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I was just going to say that, but you pipped me by editing. apparently*. he's also part of the four-man team final.
*No, you didn't: you added that almost two hours ago. I didn't read carefully enough.
The 4 man team is covered by the first sentence, they finished 4th which was very impressive. It was an excellent final, probably my highlight of the games so far.
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I was very pleased to hear that the rowers eight had a bronze medal. It occurs to me that I have not heard anything about sailing. Does anyone know if it is actually a part of this Olympics?
Also do you know what was the result of the mixed swimming relay? Was it a mixture of four different swimming styles too?
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I was very pleased to hear that the rowers eight had a bronze medal. It occurs to me that I have not heard anything about sailing. Does anyone know if it is actually a part of this Olympics?
Also do you know what was the result of the mixed swimming relay? Was it a mixture of four different swimming styles too?
Yes, sailing is in. As it's over a number of races, I don't think any medals have been awarded yet.
The rowing has been the worst in terms of medals for the UK for some time.
The final of the mixed relay is early Saturday morning. Yes, it is mixed styles as well. Backstoke, breaststroke, butterfly, and freestyle. The UK qualified fastest about 2 seconds faster than anyone else, but the US rested more people so will have a stronger team. The UK will change the freestyle swimmer. They were .34 outside the world record in the heat.
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Yes, sailing is in. As it's over a number of races, I don't think any medals have been awarded yet.
The rowing has been the worst in terms of medals for the UK for some time.
The final of the mixed relay is early Saturday morning. Yes, it is mixed styles as well. Backstoke, breaststroke, butterfly, and freestyle. The UK qualified fastest about 2 seconds faster than anyone else, but the US rested more people so will have a stronger team. The UK will change the freestyle swimmer. They were .34 outside the world record in the heat.
Thank you very much for detailed reply.
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Brilliant performance from the UK's women's rugby 7s against the USA to get into semi finals.
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Brilliant performance from the UK's women's rugby 7s against the USA to get into semi finals.
I watched it.
Superb.
Sevens is a brilliant showcase for the game.
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I happened to wake up just at the start of the triathlon relay so listened to it all. Excellent!
Just missed the swimming mixed medley relay, but it seems it was backstroke, then butterfly, then breast stroke then free style. I've heard that Ann Hopkins (?) is five foot six or five foot four, but whichever it is, amazing that she can swim so fast and strongly.
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Oh, I say, jolly good show! (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/olympics/max-whitlock-hailed-as-britain-s-greatest-ever-gymnast-after-winning-gold-in-tokyo/ar-AAMObAZ?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531) Give that chap a knighthood.
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Oh, I say, jolly good show! (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/olympics/max-whitlock-hailed-as-britain-s-greatest-ever-gymnast-after-winning-gold-in-tokyo/ar-AAMObAZ?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531) Give that chap a knighthood.
what a silly comment.
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what a silly comment.
And a very good day to you too!
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what a silly comment.
Surely better and more meaningful than giving knighthoods to Conservative party donors ;)
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Oh, I say, jolly good show! (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/olympics/max-whitlock-hailed-as-britain-s-greatest-ever-gymnast-after-winning-gold-in-tokyo/ar-AAMObAZ?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531) Give that chap a knighthood.
Amazing performance - to retain the gold is quite an achievement.
Just a few Olympics ago the notion that Brits might win any medal in gymnastics was pretty unthinkable - how the gymnastics has developed has been very impressive.
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what a silly comment.
May I belatedly ask why you thought it silly?
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May I belatedly ask why you thought it silly?
Perhaps Synthetic Dave just read out what you had written and Susan didn't realise that the first part was a link to be clicked on.
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Perhaps Synthetic Dave just read out what you had written and Susan didn't realise that the first part was a link to be clicked on.
thank you for saying and for not having to go back, find the post and then possibly answer.
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Astonishing performances in the 400m men's hurdles
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/58067231
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And brilliant women's 800 metres.
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Amazing women's 400m hurdles. And a 13 year old medallist for UK.
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Moderator:
Please note that a number of posts that were part of a discussion on 'trans' participation in the Olympics have been moved and merged into the Trans rights: a perspective' thread in the Politics and Current Affairs board.
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Moderator:
Please note that a number of posts that were part of a discussion on 'trans' participation in the Olympics have been moved and merged into the Trans rights: a perspective' thread in the Politics and Current Affairs board.
Thank you. I had hoped this would be about the action taking place in Japan at the moment.
I hope I happen to have Five Live on when the 4 x 100 m relays take place.
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Astonishing performances in the 400m men's hurdles
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/58067231
I wonder how much effect the design of the track surface has had:
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/aug/03/tokyo-track-designer-reveals-boost-from-new-surface-as-records-fall-at-olympics
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Didya know that Britain is the only country in the world to have won at least one gold in every modern Olympics? Makes you proud to be British!
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Didya know that Britain is the only country in the world to have won at least one gold in every modern Olympics? Makes you proud to be British!
I think that is more about participation that necessarily overall quality. There would have been other teams with the same record had they participated in every tournament, most notably the USA who would also be there but for their boycott of the 1980 games. And actually, on a point of accuracy, the 'British' successes in 1980 were under the Olympic rather than the British flag as Britain officially also boycotted the 1980 games.
Britain, of course, came perilously close to losing that winning streak in 1996 where their woeful record was just one gold, plus eight silver and 6 bronze - another of the legacies of the Thatcher government which systematically removed funding for the development of sport through the 1980s.
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I wonder how much effect the design of the track surface has had:
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/aug/03/tokyo-track-designer-reveals-boost-from-new-surface-as-records-fall-at-olympics
Yes, ;I was wondering that too, after hearing various comments on FiveLive. Comments also about specially designed running shoes and spikes etc.
I will look at link later, but I thought I heard some comment about the track being concrete!
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I think that is more about participation that necessarily overall quality. There would have been other teams with the same record had they participated in every tournament, most notably the USA who would also be there but for their boycott of the 1980 games. And actually, on a point of accuracy, the 'British' successes in 1980 were under the Olympic rather than the British flag as Britain officially also boycotted the 1980 games.
Britain, of course, came perilously close to losing that winning streak in 1996 where their woeful record was just one gold, plus eight silver and 6 bronze - another of the legacies of the Thatcher government which systematically removed funding for the development of sport through the 1980s.
Actually I can remember 1952 when GB only won one gold medal,plus two silver and eight bronze. The gold medal was won by Col. Harry Llewellyn riding Foxhunter in the equestrian jumping event.
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Yes, ;I was wondering that too, after hearing various comments on FiveLive. Comments also about specially designed running shoes and spikes etc.
I will look at link later, but I thought I heard some comment about the track being concrete!
I think it actually has some rubber components plus a hexagonal structure in the running surface. This not only helps to provide shock absorption but also has an element of energy return so may help the athletes perform better.
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Hugely enjoyable women's pole vault competition
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I must admit that i am most disappointed with these Games.
There is now only one day to go and Emperor Naruhito has still not entered the main stadium by parachuting from a helicopter ...
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Women's modern pentathlon is hypnotically bizarre and Gold for Kate French of the UK.
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Brilliant 1500 metres races for both men and women
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India's first ever gold in an athletics event. Javelin. Well done.
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San Marino have 3 medals which equates to 1 medal for 11,000 people
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I listened to the diving this morning and i am really pleased that tom Daly won that bronze.
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Laser Run?
What fresh hell is this?
Run for a bit, shoot a bit, run a lot more.
It just looked ridiculous to me.
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Laser Run?
What fresh hell is this?
Run for a bit, shoot a bit, run a lot more.
It just looked ridiculous to me.
Maybe having spent so much time watching the biathlon, it just seems normal to me. I think the show jumping round is way more problematic
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What a ride and gold by Jason Kenny
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One less medal for UK?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/58193101