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General Category => Sports, Hobbies & Interests => Topic started by: Nearly Sane on April 15, 2024, 10:49:36 PM
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With Nadal playing tomorrow for the first time this year, given the injuries, there's always the possibility that it will be the last time.
Murray's injury not needing surgery means there's a chance he might have a farewell at Wimbledon now but even that is questionable.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/68820823
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/68822113
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Nadal wins
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/68826952
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And Nadal loses. I can see he might be attracted to play past the French Open but it would seem appropriate if he retired there, given his record.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/68837705
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Not confirmed if Nadal will play at the French but
'Rafael Nadal at Roland-Garros:
14 titles.
WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWLWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWLWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWLWWWWWWW.
112-3 W/L.
97.3% win rate.
Unbeaten in finals.
14 wins vs Federer and Djokovic.
5-peated between 2010 and 2014.
Only ever taken to the fifth set 3 times, out of total 115 matches.
Won it 4x without dropping a set (2008, 2010, 2017, 2020).
Won 38 sets in a row between 2016 and 2018.
Won it while dropping just 35 games throughout (2017).
Longest time between first and most recent Grand Slam title for any player ever, at 17 years.
Won his first at 19 (2005), his 14th at 36 (2022)'
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Nadal v Zverev, and Murray v Wawrinka at the French.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/articles/cgee0e00qw7o
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And maybe Djokovic might not be far behind
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/articles/cn00g2x3peyo
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And both Murray and Nadal out.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/articles/c1wwzw2pnygo
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/articles/c722ez0r3pzo
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And maybe Djokovic might not be far behind
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/articles/cn00g2x3peyo
Djokovic withdraws through injury. Still hasn't won a tournament this year, and will lose his number 1 ranking to Sinner at the end of the French. I think the one thing he will target now is the Olympics, and I can see him retiring after that win or lose.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/articles/c7221343y0lo
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Murray retires from match at Queens. Must be doubtful for Wimbledon. No Nadal there, and very likely no Djokovic.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/tennis/breakiing-andy-murray-retires-queens-33066157
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Murray retires from match at Queens. Must be doubtful for Wimbledon. No Nadal there, and very likely no Djokovic.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/tennis/breakiing-andy-murray-retires-queens-33066157
And a procedure on his back? Wimbledon looks unlikely. Even Olympics seems a strain.
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Murray pulls out of singles at Wimbledon
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/articles/c1we7xjjvq8o
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Though as well as the doubles, he will be in SteveH's Mick Stubbles. The pairing drawn to play Murray/Raducanu in the first round are going to be thrust onto Centre/Number 1 Court.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/articles/c3gwej8p625o
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Murray pulls out of singles at Wimbledon
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/articles/c1we7xjjvq8o
And decides to compete in mixed doubles with Raducanu. All seems a bit weird to me - if this is a serious competition how can you decide who your partner is going to be a couple of days before the competition begins!!
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And decides to compete in mixed doubles with Raducanu. All seems a bit weird to me - if this is a serious competition how can you decide who your partner is going to be a couple of days before the competition begins!!
Mixed doubles is played so infrequently that it's just the way stuff works.
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Mixed doubles is played so infrequently that it's just the way stuff works.
Really?
I thought all Grand Slam tournaments included mixed doubles competitions, so surely you'd expect pairings to get together with the expectation of playing at tournaments throughout the year and possibly remaining doubles partners over several years. Unless it is treated as a bit of a joke.
Oh and I love the 'precision' of your explanation - that it's just the way stuff works :o
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Really?
I thought all Grand Slam tournaments included mixed doubles competitions, so surely you'd expect pairings to get together with the expectation of playing at tournaments throughout the year and possibly remaining doubles partners over several years. Unless it is treated as a bit of a joke.
Oh and I love the 'precision' of your explanation - that it's just the way stuff works :o
Yeah, so that's four times a year. Thank you for illustrating the point.
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So it will be Arevalo and Zhang, who look a good pairing to me, up against Murray and Raducanu
https://www.wimbledon.com/en_GB/draws/mixed-doubles
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Yeah, so that's four times a year. Thank you for illustrating the point.
Not really.
These are the four biggest and most prestigious tournaments of the year. So surely all the more reason (if you are taking them seriously) that you'd want a stable partnership rather than making a decision who you are going to play with as a partner on the second day of the tournament.
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Not really.
These are the four biggest and most prestigious tournaments of the year. So surely all the more reason (if you are taking them seriously) that you'd want a stable partnership rather than making a decision who you are going to play with as a partner on the second day of the tournament.
Well, they are but it is still only 4 times a year. That the they are the most prestigious tournaments is not because of mixed doubles, rather mixed doubles exists there because they are the grand slams. It's a good chance for men and women doubles players to earn more money but given that there are so few chances outside of the slams to play together, even if you wanted to, the partnerships tend to be malleable.
See draw, I put up in my previous post.
Note that something isn't as entirely serious as singles doesn't mean it's just a joke but that's your false dichotomy.
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Well, they are but it is still only 4 times a year. That the they are the most prestigious tournaments is not because of mixed doubles, rather mixed doubles exists there because they are the grand slams. It's a good chance for men and women doubles players to earn more money but given that there are so few chances outside of the slams to play together, even if you wanted to, the partnerships tend to be malleable.
See draw, I put up in my previous post.
Note that something isn't as entirely serious as singles doesn't mean it's just a joke but that's your false dichotomy.
I think if you are basically pairing up with a partner, who you've never played with before, after the tournament has actually started then on the spectrum from serious to joke it is clearly towards the non serious end.
And again your argument doesn't really make sense - if it is an opportunity to make money and gain some prestige then why on earth wouldn't you put together a serious partnership that you intend to last over many tournaments and over many years. There are players who have done exactly this in doubles, including in mixed doubles.
Rather this smack of one of them bumping into the other on the first day of the tournament and going 'hey, good to see you - do you fancy a match at the end of the week'.
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I think if you are basically pairing up with a partner, who you've never played with before, after the tournament has actually started then on the spectrum from serious to joke it is clearly towards the non serious end.
And again your argument doesn't really make sense - if it is an opportunity to make money and gain some prestige then why on earth wouldn't you put together a serious partnership that you intend to last over many tournaments and over many years. There are players who have done exactly this in doubles, including in mixed doubles.
Rather this smack of one of them bumping into the other on the first day of the tournament and going 'hey, good to see you - do you fancy a match at the end of the week'.
Good to see you have moved from your dichotomy. Pity you can't admit that is what you did.
The reason why the partnerships can be late is exactly covered. The possibilities are far from endless. Match ups are rare.
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The reason why the partnerships can be late is exactly covered.
So do you think that their partnership - presumably formed once the tournament had actually started, will have longevity lasting beyond this single tournament itself?
If not then this is clearly - hey lets get together and play a match or two, have a bit of fun for a couple of days.
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So do you think that their partnership - presumably formed once the tournament had actually started, will have longevity lasting beyond this single tournament itself?
If not then this is clearly - hey lets get together and play a match or two, have a bit of fun for a couple of days.
No, why would I think something is entirely opposed to what I wrote,and what is evidenced by the partnership you are having a conniption about?
Something can be not entirely serious and yet not just a joke. Your own posts cover that. If you want to have a wee fight with yourself while you disagree with you, then have at you.
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No, why would I think something is entirely opposed to what I wrote,and what is evidenced by the partnership you are having a conniption about?
Something can be not entirely serious and yet not just a joke. Your own posts cover that. If you want to have a wee fight with yourself while you disagree with you, then have at you.
Very nice verbose hyperbole NS. But as so often, completely missing the mark.
I'm not having a fit or a rage - merely noting that that they aren't taking this seriously - having a bit of fun - hence my comment "a bit of a joke". Noting that you removed the "a bit" which places it on a spectrum from serious to complete joke but further from the serious end of that spectrum.
But being more serious - I would have thought that of all the forms of tennis - mixed doubles is surely the most technically challenging, involving both the need for team-work between the partnership (that's necessary in all doubles) but also careful tactics to deal with the likely power mismatch between the female player on one team and the male player on the other. So if you were serious about it (they clearly aren't by the way) then you'd want to spend quite a lot of time working on that partnership and those tactics - as some longstanding mixed doubles pairings have done in the past.
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Very nice verbose hyperbole NS. But as so often, completely missing the mark.
I'm not having a fit or a rage - merely noting that that they aren't taking this seriously - having a bit of fun - hence my comment "a bit of a joke". Noting that you removed the "a bit" which places it on a spectrum from serious to complete joke but further from the serious end of that spectrum.
But being more serious - I would have thought that of all the forms of tennis - mixed doubles is surely the most technically challenging, involving both the need for team-work between the partnership (that's necessary in all doubles) but also careful tactics to deal with the likely power mismatch between the female player on one team and the male player on the other. So if you were serious about it (they clearly aren't by the way) then you'd want to spend quite a lot of time working on that partnership and those tactics - as some longstanding mixed doubles pairings have done in the past.
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Is that supposed to make any sense - having demonstrated verbose hyperbole have you now pivoted to single letter arguments?
Any thought on the point about the technical challenges of mixed doubles vs the other formats?
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Is that supposed to make any sense - having demonstrated verbose hyperbole have you now pivoted to single letter arguments?
Any thought on the point about the technical challenges of mixed doubles vs the other formats?
Just to point out that post you said was verbose, you wrote a post with more words. Just the way it is.
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Just to point out that post you said was verbose, you wrote a post with more words. Just the way it is.
Oh dear - you clearly don't understand the meaning of verbosity - specifically 'using more words than needed'.
That one person writes a post with more words than another person doesn't make them more verbose if they are using those words to convey a point clearly and succinctly. They would be less verbose than another person who used fewer words but conveyed no useful meaning with them. Let's pluck an example of the latter from the air.
'No, why would I think something is entirely opposed to what I wrote,and what is evidenced by the partnership you are having a conniption about?'
26 words (I believe) that convey no understandable meaning whatsoever.
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Just to point out that post you said was verbose, you wrote a post with more words. Just the way it is.
I thought you were a tennis fan NS - still no comment on my point about the technical challenges of mixed doubles vs the other formats. I would have thought you'd be able to opine on this matter without verbosity.
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I thought you were a tennis fan NS - still no comment on my point about the technical challenges of mixed doubles vs the other formats. I would have thought you'd be able to opine on this matter without verbosity.
Made tennis points. Have your wee wank. Raducanu playing well
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Made tennis points.
Nope, you've made no comment on my point about the technical challenges of mixed doubles vs the other formats. Up to you whether you wish to but thought you might have a view you'd like to convey.
Have your wee wank.
Gratuitous and rather pathetic comment NS.
Raducanu playing well
Indeed - suspect she's rather more focussed on playing well in the singles rather than the odd mixed doubles matches she may play later in the week.
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Nope, you've made no comment on my point about the technical challenges of mixed doubles vs the other formats. Up to you whether you wish to but thought you might have a view you'd like to convey.
Gratuitous and rather pathetic comment NS.
Indeed - suspect she's rather more focussed on playing well in the singles rather than the odd mixed doubles matches she may play later in the week.
Brilliant win from Raducanu.
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Quite an emotional farewell, if not quite the last one, for Murray.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/articles/c0w4n103kz1o
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After all that Raducanu pulls out of the Mixed.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/articles/cz9x74erp37o
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After all that Raducanu pulls out of the Mixed.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/articles/cz9x74erp37o
Rather proves my point!
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Rather proves my point!
And out!
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Murray confirms Olympics will be last tournament
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/articles/czq670864w6o
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So that's all, folks
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/articles/c4ngnq0zp8yo
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And it's goodnight from Nadal
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/articles/ckgv9n5jj8jo
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And it's goodnight from Nadal
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/articles/ckgv9n5jj8jo
Though not clear if he will play in his farewell
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/articles/clyre31428wo
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Though not clear if he will play in his farewell
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/articles/clyre31428wo
He does but loses, and Spain get knocked out so that's it. He list his first Davis Cup singles, and his last but won the 39 in between.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/articles/c79z4dpxpjdo
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Murray returns to coach Djokovic
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/articles/ckgzvlxyvxgo