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General Category => Politics & Current Affairs => Topic started by: Nearly Sane on July 11, 2024, 10:12:18 AM

Title: Prisoners to be released early to ease overcrowding
Post by: Nearly Sane on July 11, 2024, 10:12:18 AM

This is, of course, just an extension of the Tory govt's early releases.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c047dkjgpxyo
Title: Re: Prisoners to be released early to ease overcrowding
Post by: Nearly Sane on July 12, 2024, 07:23:46 PM
Strong language from Shabana Mahmood but it looks entirely deserved. Tom Tugendhat's complaints are rich coming from someone whose govt was already doing this, and got into the mess in the first place.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crg5vp0296eo
Title: Re: Prisoners to be released early to ease overcrowding
Post by: Harrowby Hall on July 13, 2024, 12:36:26 PM
I recall reading, a few months ago, about the Dutch prison system and how well it performed in comparison with the British system.

One point that was made was recidivism. It is almost unknown in the Netherlands whereas it is a significant contribution to prison occupation in the UK. This is because considerable effort is made in the Dutch system to educate, counsel and train prisoners so that when they re-enter the outside world they can do so with a different set of values and skills and make positive contributions to society.
Title: Re: Prisoners to be released early to ease overcrowding
Post by: Roses on July 13, 2024, 02:29:17 PM
I recall reading, a few months ago, about the Dutch prison system and how well it performed in comparison with the British system.

One point that was made was recidivism. It is almost unknown in the Netherlands whereas it is a significant contribution to prison occupation in the UK. This is because considerable effort is made in the Dutch system to educate, counsel and train prisoners so that when they re-enter the outside world they can do so with a different set of values and skills and make positive contributions to society.

Recidivism is a very great concern. I wonder if the system in the Netherlands to educate, counsel and train the inmates, would work here in the UK?
Title: Re: Prisoners to be released early to ease overcrowding
Post by: Nearly Sane on July 13, 2024, 02:45:29 PM
Recidivism is a very great concern. I wonder if the system in the Netherlands to educate, counsel and train the inmates, would work here in the UK?
Why wouldn't it?
Title: Re: Prisoners to be released early to ease overcrowding
Post by: Roses on July 14, 2024, 09:06:44 AM
Why wouldn't it?

Whilst it might work for some of them, I suspect many of the inmates have no interest in being educated and learning life skills to help them find jobs. But hopefully I am wrong, if it is tried out in the UK and it works.
Title: Re: Prisoners to be released early to ease overcrowding
Post by: Nearly Sane on July 14, 2024, 09:10:30 AM
Whilst it might work for some of them, I suspect many of the inmates have no interest in being educated and learning life skills to help them find jobs. But hopefully I am wrong, if it is tried out in the UK and it works.
Surely the point is whether it works better for more people and reduces recidivism as a whole. We have high recidivism rates, whatever we are doing here isn't working.

Title: Re: Prisoners to be released early to ease overcrowding
Post by: ekim on July 14, 2024, 09:36:18 AM
"We are now implementing the reforms to our probation services set out in our Target Operating Model, published in February 2021. These reforms will deliver a stronger, more stable probation system that will reduce reoffending, support victims of crime, and keep the public safe, while helping offenders to make positive change to their lives."

https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/probation-service/about