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Christian Topic / Re: The Church of Englad.Time for a moderator?
« Last post by Outrider on November 21, 2024, 12:47:03 PM »
And Again there are 1432 secular lords and MPs. Including782 secular Lords against 26 Spiritual Lords.

The 'it's only a little bit biased' argument. I said it wasn't a high priority of mine, in the grand scheme of things, but it's still a situation that appears to be a blatant sop to a particular religious viewpoint at the expense of everyone else, and so is not justifiable. Your 'it's not much' is effectively a tacit admission of that.

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Your fears seem to be based on secular superstition rather than data.

Which is why you asked for data? Or is it because now that you've been given the data it serves you to ignore it?

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Then there is the question of whether a notional minuscule input is invariably bad or good.

No, there really isn't. Whether you agree or disagree with their voting record is irrelevant, the problem is that they have a reserved place for one particular sect of spellcasters, when no-one else does. It's special treatment, it's a double-helping that hasn't been justified.

I'm particularly exercised because they so regularly vote against the principles I'd espouse, but my argument against their inclusion isn't that I disagree with their stance, it's that I disagree with the notion that they should get to have a stance when everyone else instead gets to have the opportunity to write to a Lord of their choice.

O.
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Politics & Current Affairs / Re: Hamas attacks Israel.
« Last post by Nearly Sane on November 21, 2024, 12:42:59 PM »
'Arrest warrants issued for Netanyahu, Gallant and Hamas commander over alleged war crimes' - from the International Criminal Court


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly2exvx944o
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Politics & Current Affairs / Re: John Prescott dead
« Last post by Walt Zingmatilder on November 21, 2024, 12:31:25 PM »
He certainly connected with one voter.
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Christian Topic / Re: The Church of Englad.Time for a moderator?
« Last post by Walt Zingmatilder on November 21, 2024, 12:20:44 PM »
If you're talking about input that is intended to be specifically reliigious, why does it have any? If you're looking at people participating who have a religious affiliation there's significantly more than that 2%. The problem is that there is 2% that is reserved specifically for religious input, and specifically for religious input from one particular sect of one particular branch of one particular domain of one religion.

Did you miss this bit: "In the specific it's been instrumental in the past in laws on slavery, denying women suffrage, denying women rights, denying gay people rights, and currently it's active in opposition to things like the assisted dying bill."?

You could add their blanket support for the 'Listed Places of Worship' scheme which saw them add their voice to a £150 million+ pot of money to subsidise their building maintenance costs, their near blanket opposition to the Civil Partnership Act, their 90% opposition voting record to the Gordon Brown labour government (in contrast to their greater than 60% support of Cameron's government, and less than 30% support of the Coalition), blanket opposition to the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Act, their support of the £20 million extension of the First World War Centenary Cathedral Repair bill, the Place of Worship Security funding (twice) and the extension of the Gift Aid eligibility criteria.

And a curious tidbit that popped up while I was looking that lot up that I hadn't realised before: the Lords Temporal aren't permitted to vote in a General Election... but the Lords Spiritual are.

O.
And Again there are 1432 secular lords and MPs. Including782 secular Lords against 26 Spiritual Lords.

Your fears seem to be based on secular superstition rather than data.

Then there is the question of whether a notional minuscule input is invariably bad or good.
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Sports, Hobbies & Interests / Re: Strands - another new word game.
« Last post by Sebastian Toe on November 21, 2024, 12:15:13 PM »
Strands #263
“You're getting warm”
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Politics & Current Affairs / Re: Arming the Ukrainians
« Last post by Nearly Sane on November 21, 2024, 12:07:39 PM »
'Ukraine says Russia launched an intercontinental ballistic missile for first time in the war' - though this seems not necessarily to have been an ICBM.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-21/ukraine-says-russia-launched-ballistic-missile-for-first-time/104632948
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Christian Topic / Re: The Church of Englad.Time for a moderator?
« Last post by Outrider on November 21, 2024, 12:04:39 PM »
Since there are about 1432 secular MP’s and Lords in the HoP and 26 Lords spiritual I make that each policy has a maximum of just under 2% of religious input.

If you're talking about input that is intended to be specifically reliigious, why does it have any? If you're looking at people participating who have a religious affiliation there's significantly more than that 2%. The problem is that there is 2% that is reserved specifically for religious input, and specifically for religious input from one particular sect of one particular branch of one particular domain of one religion.

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Again in terms policy only 2% maximum of any policy can be attributed to the Lords spiritual. For the second time of asking can you give a policy founded on a fairy story?”

Did you miss this bit: "In the specific it's been instrumental in the past in laws on slavery, denying women suffrage, denying women rights, denying gay people rights, and currently it's active in opposition to things like the assisted dying bill."?

You could add their blanket support for the 'Listed Places of Worship' scheme which saw them add their voice to a £150 million+ pot of money to subsidise their building maintenance costs, their near blanket opposition to the Civil Partnership Act, their 90% opposition voting record to the Gordon Brown labour government (in contrast to their greater than 60% support of Cameron's government, and less than 30% support of the Coalition), blanket opposition to the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Act, their support of the £20 million extension of the First World War Centenary Cathedral Repair bill, the Place of Worship Security funding (twice) and the extension of the Gift Aid eligibility criteria.

And a curious tidbit that popped up while I was looking that lot up that I hadn't realised before: the Lords Temporal aren't permitted to vote in a General Election... but the Lords Spiritual are.

O.
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Christian Topic / Re: The Church of Englad.Time for a moderator?
« Last post by Walt Zingmatilder on November 21, 2024, 11:49:10 AM »
In part, all of them, given the input of The Church of the England in the drafting and the Head of the Church in the ratification of all legislation. In the specific it's been instrumental in the past in laws on slavery, denying women suffrage, denying women rights, denying gay people rights, and currently it's active in opposition to things like the assisted dying bill.
Since there are about 1432 secular MP’s and Lords in the HoP and 26 Lords spiritual I make that each policy has a maximum of just under 2% of religious input.

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When they say that a world-view based upon fairy stories is valid. When 'I believe' becomes sufficient to deny reality, the exact same argument can be utilised whether the tenet you want to cleave to is 'all good dogs go to heaven' or 'all the infidels should be bombed to a paste'. 'God wants it' isn't open to rational debate, regardless of what 'it' is.
Again in terms policy only 2% maximum of any policy can be attributed to the Lords spiritual. For the second time of asking can you give a policy founded on a fairy story?”

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Sports, Hobbies & Interests / Re: A new word game....
« Last post by SteveH on November 21, 2024, 11:24:59 AM »
Follow the spoiler link to understand green.
Thanks. Sounds disgusting.
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Politics & Current Affairs / Re: John Prescott dead
« Last post by Nearly Sane on November 21, 2024, 11:21:50 AM »
I found out about this by reading a BBC story about him punching a punter. I think that is likely to be what he is most remembered for, sadly.
Tony Blair mentioned it on the Today programme but it was only a part of what was a very fulsome tribute from Blair. I think in between the smooth glitz of Blair, and the dour accountancy of Brown, Prescott humanised Labour at that time for a lot of people.
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