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Theism and Atheism / Re: Importance of religions
« Last post by Gonnagle on April 03, 2025, 05:32:23 PM »
And are there any of those values that you disagree with Sriram. That seems like an excellent list of values that we should all be following.

And you seem to imply that these values are somehow opposed to religious values - are they? I don't think they are - I suspect most religions also espouse most of these values albeit they may be described in rather different terms. I think what we are seeing, largely, is much more universal values that are intrinsic to the human experience and to the development of the human species via evolution. These have always been there. At times they have been phrased in the language of religion, but now they are being phrased in a secular manner to reflect a decline in religiosity in most developed countries.

Dear Prof,
But are we seeing those values, we will now go over to our roving reporter Nearlysane who brings us all the daily news from around the world just for our little forum, Sane just for us guys in the studio, the hot topic is values and lets talk America are we seeing those values in the good old US of A.

Sorry Sane, just being silly it is one of those rhetorical questions. >:(

Gonnagle.

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Christian Topic / Re: Church covered up 'abhorrent' abuse, report finds
« Last post by ProfessorDavey on April 03, 2025, 05:20:51 PM »
Quite incredible

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c89y9g83e92o
This interview is almost up there with the Prince Andrew/Emily Maitless one in terms of being completely tone deaf.

I tell you what Eton has really got a lot to answer for in foisting so many useless self-entitled people on our country and its institutions.
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Theism and Atheism / Re: Importance of religions
« Last post by ProfessorDavey on April 03, 2025, 04:44:29 PM »
Religious values are being replaced by secular values such as…humanism, rationality, integration, non judgement, globalization, non-violence, universal brotherhood,  animal rights and so on.
And are there any of those values that you disagree with Sriram. That seems like an excellent list of values that we should all be following.

And you seem to imply that these values are somehow opposed to religious values - are they? I don't think they are - I suspect most religions also espouse most of these values albeit they may be described in rather different terms. I think what we are seeing, largely, is much more universal values that are intrinsic to the human experience and to the development of the human species via evolution. These have always been there. At times they have been phrased in the language of religion, but now they are being phrased in a secular manner to reflect a decline in religiosity in most developed countries.



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Politics & Current Affairs / Re: President Trump
« Last post by Christine on April 03, 2025, 04:08:37 PM »
Grok is Elon Musk's AI. You shouldn't touch it.

In broad terms, yes they are. The fact that the UK imposes tariffs does not make them good.
Yes, but if you are barring people simply for being critical of your government, it's a huge red flag.
The French academic was critical of the Tr*mp administration's science policy i.e. cutting funds for doing scientific research.  There was no incitement to violence or anything remotely like it.

I know what Grok is, Jeremy, thank you. Is the information it provided me wrong? Do you have a link to the correct information? And thank you for your advice, I won't be following it.

If what you say is true about what the academic said then I disagree with the decision to bar him from the US. Do you have a link? The sources I found said the contentious messages had not been published.

I'm not in the business of defending hypocrisy. It's been enlightening seeing what the US government has been funding around the world until now. I'm against the US government interfering covertly in other countries' affairs, pushing agendas that are not evident to most voters, including US voters. I'm quite surprised that "the left" now seem outraged that the US government is exposing and putting a stop to the interference.

I think the reason Vance focused on the abortion thing is because it plays well with his own base. It doesn't alter the fact that freedom of expression and association is currently under threat in the UK and EU. I'll not bother providing links to the news stories, since you seem to expect me to take your word for whatever, you can take mine.


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Theism and Atheism / Importance of religions
« Last post by Sriram on April 03, 2025, 03:25:23 PM »
Hi everyone,

Religions are today  unpopular for various reasons. But religions could be seen as the source of our civilized values of today.

Please check out the article below.I am sure I have discussed it before but worth discussing again.

https://tsriramrao.wordpress.com/2017/02/19/religions-have-suceeded/

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Religions have never had it so bad!

Many people of science lead by people like the illustrious Professor Richard Dawkins, are very vocal about the ills of religions and the need to rid society of this scourge as soon as possible.

Atheism is the new trend! Religious values are being replaced by secular values such as…humanism, rationality, integration, non judgement, globalization, non-violence, universal brotherhood,  animal rights and so on.

These values and ideals are seen as more ‘civilized’  and desirable the world over compared to traditional values.

No doubt, the current trends are very positive and are to be welcomed!

But how did we today arrive at a situation where such universal and secular values are becoming the norm around the world?! How did society, world over, move from  tribal and feudal communities to societies of today with such universally acceptable values of humanism, tolerance and globalization?

I would give the credit almost entirely to religions!

Religions are the ladder that have enabled human societies to reach such high levels of progress in human integration, self discipline and universality. Once a certain objective is achieved, the ladder that we use to get there may seem irrelevant and unnecessary….but its usefulness in reaching our goals cannot be denied, rather, it should be acknowledged.

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Just some thoughts.

Cheers.

Sriram
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Literature, Music, Art & Entertainment / Re: What are you watching?
« Last post by Sebastian Toe on April 03, 2025, 03:17:11 PM »
Watched 1883 the prequel to the prequel of Yellowstone, very very slow, enormously depressing
I liked it!
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General Discussion / Re: Global scam industry
« Last post by Sebastian Toe on April 03, 2025, 03:11:30 PM »
It's a huge industry in India!
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General Discussion / Re: The Weather
« Last post by Steve H on April 03, 2025, 02:06:53 PM »
Brite n breezee.
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Sports, Hobbies & Interests / Re: Alphaguess - yet another new word game.
« Last post by Steve H on April 03, 2025, 02:04:58 PM »
Tough!
🧩 Puzzle #618

🤔 27 guesses

⏱️ 14m 42s

🔗 alphaguess.com
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Politics & Current Affairs / Re: President Trump
« Last post by jeremyp on April 03, 2025, 02:04:43 PM »
I had to ask Grok,
Grok is Elon Musk's AI. You shouldn't touch it.


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So tariffs aren't bad per se?
In broad terms, yes they are. The fact that the UK imposes tariffs does not make them good.

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Re the French academic - it's up to the US who they let into their country.
Yes, but if you are barring people simply for being critical of your government, it's a huge red flag.

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I don't think it's a good thing to restrict entry because someone said something you disagree with, but then, I don't know what the French academic said. I don't believe, as I have explained, that free speech encompases incitement to violence or threats to individuals.
The French academic was critical of the Tr*mp administration's science policy i.e. cutting funds for doing scientific research.  There was no incitement to violence or anything remotely like it.
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